The Angels are aggressively trying to trade starters Dan Haren and Ervin Santana, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports. It’ll be an upset if they don’t complete at least one deal, and one MLB executive expects both right-handers to be moved. The Angels have been weighing possible trades for at least two days now.
The contracts of Haren ($15.5MM option) and Santana ($13MM option) both include options that could appeal to other teams, even though they aren’t particularly appealing to the Angels. The Angels will decline Santana’s option and there’s every indication they’d decline Haren’s, Rosenthal reports.
Angels GM Jerry Dipoto isn’t the only one discussing possible deals. A number of teams are already engaged in serious trade talks for starting pitchers, according to Rosenthal. Some of the names in play are more appealing than Haren and Santana.
Haren to Royals.
amen.
for whom?
Rany suggested Holland
No, he suggested Coleman. Holland is a ridiculous claim, that would be a way overpay.
You are right I went back and reread
no no no no. Rany is smarter than that and knows the value of Holland and the surplus value of coleman.
We can only wish. I’d take them both, honestly.
Haren and Santana to Royals for Ororizzi and 8M. Then Hosmer, Dyson, and Soria for David Price. Rotation – Price, Haren, Santana, Guthrie, and Chen. Myers to left and Gorden to first
Odorizzi for those guys is lunacy.
So the Royals pay $36.5 million and their best pitching prospect for 2 guys that combined for a 4.90 ERA last season, neither of whom could muster 180 innings. I think the rest of the AL Central would love that.
Well – got one for 12M
Gordon won back to back glod gloves and you want to move him back to first.
One of them should be heading to Pittsburgh for Hanrahan
i could live with a hanrahan for haren deal. pirates would be wise to use the money going to hanrahan on something else. namely a catcher or rotation help.
In this scenario wouldn’t the money going to Hanrahan (plus a lot more) instead just go to Haren?
yes. that’s my point.
no way that either of these players costs Hanrahan.
maybe with Conger
I’d be surprised if Santana gets moved, because the Angels would have to send a lot of money – I can’t imagine a team is willing to pay him $12M.
Haren will probably have takers, though I’d be concerned why the Angels aren’t interested in picking up his option.
I’d imagine they’ll have to pick up some of the salary for both, especially to get anything of value in return. They desperately need to re-stock their farm system. The cupboard is bare following the graduation of Trout/Trumbo/Bourjos and the Greinke trade.
Money they pay to these guys is money they cannot offer Greinke, I suspect.
My prediction…. Haren to LAD, Santana to TOR!
Why on earth would the Dodgers want Haren?
Go look at haren’s career and see… One yr risk for 15 million for him to return to ace form isnt bad. It’s actually one of the smaller risks that they could make.
It wouldn’t be a bad risk if you didn’t realize that is fastball velocity has been consistently in decline for about the past 5 years. If the trend contintues and he drops another half MPH or so in 2013 he’ll be sitting at 87-88 MPH.
wrong, Santana is already in KC, and haren is going to SD, I WISH
Honestly wouldn’t mind seeing the Twins trade for Haren as long as the price isn’t too steep.
I’m with you there. Target Field could revitalize him.
Not sure the park would make a huge difference, since Anaheim and Target Field are both very pitcher friendly. Maybe a change of scenery? Nonetheless, he’d be a great addition to the Twins rotation.
I think Target Field is a little more pitcher friendly, though I’m not sure. Also, his regular competition (AL Central) should be easier, as the A’s and Rangers had good offenses (yes, the Mariners were terrible).
how about santana? All I know is our Twins Need some Pitching
I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if they went somewhere together. It would take some Financial relief by the Angels but I could see it happening.
C’mon Padres get Haren. Even Santana wouldn’t be the worst thing to happen to their rotation as long as the Angels chip in a sizable amount of money. Either way Petco and Balsley could do wonders for both of these guys.
The Rockies ought to go hard after Haren
Why? He will end up like every other pitcher in Colorado.
because this is the only way they get an above average pitcher, Ubaldo Jimenez had a 3.38ERA in 300ip at Coors from 08-10 it can be done.
Jimenez turned in to be a fluke.
Colorado would do well to target Haren and to try landing him. This is one of those opportunities that doesn’t come along very often for a team that talented pitching generally refuses to go to. Haren’s contract for next season is not terribly unreasonable. It is high, but if Haren is even 75% of the Haren from previous years, it’s not some sort of terrible overpay. If Colorado can get him, especially if it is only for one year, that bolsters a shaky rotation and also possibly helps to draw a second pitcher weighing thier options.
Precisely, Haren doesn’t walk people and at Coors that is more important than at any other park, Haren eats innings and if his health returns he could give the Rockies 200-225ip of 3.8-4.2ERA baseball add that to a healthy Chacin, and Jorge Delarosa and the Rockies could contend while allowing Friedrich, Pomeranz, White, Chatwood, Cabrera, Nicasio, and Bettis more time in the minors to sharpen their secondary stuff
Guthrie had to get out of Coors to return to his normal self and he hadn’t lost velocity like Haren. Most pitchers who go to Coors field go downhill and Haren is getting older. BAD choice to target Haren
A 300 inning fluke?
What has he done since and before? Pitchers can dominate for short periods of time and then fall off. Fausto Carmona (Roberto Hernandez) is one that comes to mind but it happens often.
Before he was in the minors from age 22-27 he had 916ip of 123ERA+ in what world is that a fluke?
Minors has NOTHING to do with the big show. A lot of pitchers dominate the minors and flame out in the majors.
Not to mention the second half to his historic season was atrocious.
Brewers for one of them, probably Haren.
idk why a team would trade for santana when his option will be declined allowing a team to get him for nothing but less money than his option is for next year. Haren on the other hand would be a good pick up if you give up less value then the draft pick compsenation he will require. i dont think either will be traded because of those two things. we will see though. I would like the red sox to take a flyer on haren having a bounceback year if its at the right price.
If a team is fairly certain the player wouldn’t accept an offer in free agency, they could acquire him this way via trade without requiring his consent.
true i didnt think that would be enough motivation for a team to pay santana that much and give up a prospect but it looks like it was for the royals tho the angels probaly ate some of the contract.
like for Redsox get Haren work out a trade that would be awesome come on sox pull the trigger on this one I really like Haren I think he would be great for us.
Come on Ben let ‘s get it done and start the Hot Stove–PTBNL–then work out the finances and details–qualifying offer.
I can see moving Haren if it is a part of a bigger deal but who are we going to get straight up that will be as important as a Haren-esque SP? The Angels need a 3rd baseman and relief and oh yeah by the way if we trade Haren and Santana we will need SP as well. The Angels currently have Weaver, Wilson and Richards slated as their returning starters if we do not sign Greinke, Haren or Santana how are we going to compete? Make something happen DiPoto
As we had the displeasure of discovering this season, a “Haren-esque SP” no longer means what it once did. I’d rather have 5 more years of Greinke than one more of Haren if moving him makes the former possible.
I <3 hotstove
Haren to Redsox before 9pm tonight. Calling it.
I hope you’re right!!!!!!!!!!! Perhaps offer to take Wells and a lot of cash to play LF. This might take care of LF and with Ross or Ichiro in RF–they would have a pretty solid OF.
I’m sure I will get killed on the addition of Wells but I think his game would be resurrected back east. If you want to be the frontrunner for Haren offer to take Wells.
Well if the Angels eat money for Wells that means we have to give more up. Wells is just too risky and they just got out of that situation why get back into it?
Would be an solid addition.
haren is going to SD, we really need him, and he is in the top of our list
Haren + 7-9 mil to O’s for Strop and Arrieta
Strop doesn’t make much, and while he faded a bit late, still was very effective. Arrieta’s done in Baltimore. Anaheim has no leverage, so to get a quality cheap relief arm in Strop, and a change-of-scenary guy in Arrieta, Anaheim needs to throw in a significant amount of cash
O’s 2013 rotation:
Haren
Hammel
Chen
Tillman
Gonzalez
Bundy, Wada, etc waiting in the wings
I can live with that.
We all can live with that, well at least some of us, there’s some headwinds from some other “Oriole Types.” They aren’t as keen on Haren. If you read Steve M’s blog today, he asks the question “Should the Orioles acquire Dan Haren?”
I see a lot of no’s on there. Also, I don’t think the Angels will cough up 7 to 9 million, maybe 3 or 4.
Lastly, I want to give a Shout Out to Greg Merson for wearing an Orioles jersey for the WSOP finals! Way to go Man!
The guy Angels need to move is that expensive slug Vernon Wells. Any Santana/Haren deal MUST include Wells
Then there will be no deal. Wells? Really?
My 2 cents:
to the Phils: Wells plus $20 M against his contract, Santana (prefer Haren), Bourjos and 3b Luis Jimenez
to the Halos: OF John Maybery Jr., SP Vance Worley, RP Josh Lindblom and 1b/OF Laynce Nix– negotiable but no great prospects as Angels are dumping salary to re-sign Greinke or Hunter.
Haren is a California/West Coast guy… why not the Giants? Zito, Lincecum, and Vogelsong are entering the final years of their deals, one of those guys could be moved before 2013 or during it, and their $45M will come off the books after the season.
Dbacks need a starting pitcher.. What’s the chances?
Dbacks also need to get rid of Upton and Gibson if they want to be above .500 next year.
Dbacks could very well make a play for Haren, though it will in no way involve Upton. Any team trading for Haren is going to be giving up very little in return. If the D-Backs attempt to land Haren (and they probably should try) the trade will come from where they have organizational depth at the high minor league level.
nice! lets make this happen Jerry…I want to see both of them gone. However, Im also a Dodger fan, and I’d like to see the Dodgers picking up Haren. He still has alot to offer when healthy. He has always been a great pitcher when healthy. He is still relatively young for a pitcher (32). The Angels should look to get a nice reliever in return, maybe a 3rd baseman like Chase Headley.
So the Angels should deal Haren for Headley? Yeah….
Geez
not sure I really understand why the options would appeal to other teams. They have no options beyond 2013 and if you are trading for one, you are gonna want them for at least a season. What is so appealing about that?
Any team that trades for either Santana or Haren would be getting them for a season.
Naturally the Angels would exercise the option for either if a trade was consummated.
Padres.
The Cubs could use Haren.
Would not be surprised. Send a spare part and take on all salary. If Haren rebounds, nice return on investment come trade deadline. Sound like a Theo move.
Harang and Guerra for Haren, with Anaheim either throwing in 3.5m, or they take Guerrier.
How about haren wells plus cash for Lackey and mid level prospect. Bad contract swap
Lackey still gets the Sox a high number of quality starts when healthy. Wells offers little to nothing. The Sox could just wait and sign Haren in free agency, no point in taking on Wells’ contract.
I think many people are missing the point. The Angels are CUTTING these guys. Santana today and Haren on Friday. Teams are willing to trade to guarantee they get the player and avoid having any competition to sign him. However, the player(s) they will give up will not be huge prospects and difference makers.
Thank you. You are definitely right.
So its 57 mill from angels and 31 mill from the red sox. Angels send 8 mill over. Net cost for Sox is 8 mil for upgrade in rotation and a LF who has limited range but now has monster behind him. I like it.
Dan Haren to Mariners for Chone Figgins
Not funny and not possible
Twins?
padres, please get haren, I want him for Christmas
Cubs should offer up Junior Lake for Haren.
Lake has a tremendous upside, but awful hitting and fielding mechanics. Teams have contacted the Cubs to covert the guy into a reliever. Cannon for an arm.
Haren represents someone with an ace track record, and could be used to fill out the rotation until we make the trades/free agent signings necessary to concoct a pitching staff.
Best case scenerio,: He’s a #2-3 guy moving forward. He can be retained, or flipped at the deadline for more pitching prospects.
Worst case scenerio: Haren’s back resembles Oswalt’s back. We lose out on a fringe prospect that doesn’t really fit into the Theo/Jed mold, anyway.
Each team had a level of risk and upside. Pull the trigger, Jed.