The Angels, Dodgers, Rangers, Pirates, Tigers, Marlins, and Giants were reportedly among the teams with scouts in attendance for Cole Hamels' start against the Rockies this afternoon, though keep in mind that a scouting presence does not always imply trade interest in a particular player. The lefty didn't disappoint, dealing eight innings of one-run ball at Coors Field. The Rangers sent Don Welke, the senior special assistant to GM Jon Daniels, to Denver and Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com reports Texas wants Hamels bad. Here are the latest rumors on the prized left-hander with the latest up top:
- Hamels doesn't seem concerned about his uncertain future, telling reporters after his victory, "That's the least of my worries."
- The Phillies' forthcoming offer to Hamels is "expected to be in the ballpark that they know the left-hander will want, this close to free agency," tweets ESPN's Buster Olney. I'm guessing Hamels would have his eye on a contract worth $23-25MM annually over six-plus years, if he reaches free agency. – Tim Dierkes
- The Phillies are still "trying like heck" to sign Hamels, reports Salisbury.
- The Dodgers and Phillies have had discussions about Hamels, but the Phillies aren't thrilled with the players they would receive in return, according to Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com. The Dodgers could become more aggressive in their pursuit with news that Chad Billingsley is suffering from elbow issues.
- The Phillies have a scout attending the Angels–Yankees game fueling speculation the Halos could be in on Hamels, writes Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. Heyman lists 10 teams that could be interested in Hamels, as well as the Brewers' Zack Greinke.
- In the same piece, Heyman quotes one official who says there's a 30% chance the Phillies sign Hamels to a long-term extension.
- Outside executives believe the Phillies will work feverishly to extend Hamels rather than trade him, writes Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Sherman provides three reasons for such a theory, including that it's harder than ever to land a commensurate package for a star in his walk year given the rule changes in the new collective bargaining agreement.
” harder than ever to land a commensurate package for a star in his walk
year given the rule changes in the new collective bargaining agreement.”
The master quote and what we don’t know.. the offers given so far for Hamels since any potential suitor for him will not get compensation and Philly will. Philly will want at least compensation of at least a 1st round + a supplemental choice and a potential partner may not be willing to offer that.
The new CBA puts a huge wrinkle into the trade deadline, especially for top 20% potential FA.
Not really. Mets landed a top prospect for Beltran and he couldnt get arbitration either.
Oh I understand that. Think Philly has some ideas that Hamels is worth more than a Zack Wheeler is what we are gathering. Now that is just me.
He is worth more than Zach Wheeler. Pitching is a much more valuable commodity and the Phillies can offer Cole Hamels a qualifying offer. The Mets couldn’t get compensation picks for Beltran.
That is the issue vs cost for teams now with the new CBA. I would think so also. How are GM’s evaluating the loss now when they cannot get a pick?
I would think if that is all they can get (Wheeler type) they have to hold on and take the picks.
The Phillies might be happy to get a pitcher like Wheeler for Hamels with the new CBA.
I think they would rather take the picks if they could only get one prospect.
They can still get comp picks. Another team has to out do a 1st rounder and a comp pick.
outlier.
Its not an outlier as its the ONLY prior example.
except it’s not, so yeah it’s an outlier.
So yeah why don’t you list some examples of top players that couldn’t be offered arbitration.
It’s market price.
The Brewers and Phillies aren’t going to trade their aces without getting a blue chip prospect back. They still get comp picks.
Hamels stated last week that he’s very highly unlikely to sign an extension before the offseason (unless it’s the Phillies). Teams will bid (or not) accordingly.
I firmly believe that the Phillies will resign Hamels, especially after he completely dominated the Rockies today, showing once again just how good he is.
That being said, in the unlikely event that he gets traded, the overwhelming favorites have to be the Rangers and the Angels, who besides both having better farms than the Dodgers won’t want to face Hamels down the stretch and/or in the playoffs. Everybody else, including the Tigers, Dodgers, Yankees, etc are distant 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc.
It really depends. If Tigers say Castellenos is on the table for discussion, then they could jump to favorites if Rangers say no to Olt.
Rangers won’t deal Olt for a rental. Not when we don’t have to. In 2010 we didn’t have much of a pitching staff and most were really young, and all had zero playoff experience. Cliff Lee was almost a necessity. This season, Hamels is a luxery, not nearly a necessity. Texas has so much else to offer that there is no need to include Olt in the deal.
I agree they shouldn’t trade Olt. But I also think Ruben will end conversations at that. They are in dire need of a 3B and prob. Won’t trade Hamels without one.
Luis Sardinas is a SS who they could move to 3B. I just don’t see any way Philly gets Olt in this deal. If we were at least getting him for a season and a half, definitely, but yea.
I fully trust Jon Daniels not to make a poor deal.
Phillies will have no interest in a guy 3-4 years away with absolutely no power. They have Maikel Franco who is a Better 3B prospect than him already in their minors. They want top level talent (AA or AAA)
That’s fine. I won’t shed a tear if the Rangers stand pat lol. If we have to deal Olt I’d rather shift talks over to Arizona.
I think that is what they should do as well. I think it’d be foolish in the long run to trade Olt. However, if they did trade him, and won the series, fans could live with that I think.
Oh definitely. If you told me trading Olt to either PHI or ARI would win the Rangers the WS I’d take that deal in a heartbeat. Problem is that Hamels, or Upton guarantee nothing.
In fact, I think it was either Lonestarball or BBTIA that did an article that calculated out somehow (Ican’t remember) that Hamels only gives the Rangers an extra 1.2%, or so, at winning the WS.
That 1.2 percent could be the difference…
What if what we need is 1.3%?
And what if it’s 1.1%, and you don’t make the deal?
that’s just crazy talk.
What if that 1.2% was the final strike of game 6 last season?… DUN DUN DUN
Except it wasn’t because Hamels wouldn’t be in the ‘pen. DUN DUN DUN.
The bullpenis good this year. 🙂
It’s nice to say the Rangers don’t have to move Olt and won’t move him for a rental but we don’t know any of that. That’s certainly the first name off the Phillies’ lips and if he’s a must (as 3B is such a huge organizational need), then they might just say they’re keeping him.
If the Phillies insist on Olt being in the deal then there should be no deal. Hamels is really good, but realistically, it’s not like we’re getting a 1/2 season of Verlander, Felix, or Kershaw…
Actually, the first name off the Phillies’ lips is probably Jurickson Profar. After Daniels and Amaro have a good laugh about that one, the actual negotiations will begin.
Well, it was the Rockies…without Tulo at that.
The Phillies are not going to get Hamels as cheap as they got Halliday and Lee. He is going to get top dollar with whoever he signs with.
Lee, Cheap? Lol
Yeh, how much is he making per win.
Wins for a pitcher huh? Also, by your logic right now he is making about 23 million per win…not sure that’s cheap.
Lee is either the highest or second highest (not sure what Sabathia makes off the top of my head) paid pitcher in baseball according to AAV.
The only discount he gave was 5 years instead of 6.
Looks like the Phillies will appreciate not having to go 6 years.
Just saying he’s not cheap at all.
I believe the Yanks and Rangers offered him more money than the Phils, so in that respect they got him cheap.
I think the money was relatively close. Yanks and Rangers just offered one extra year. Supposedly Cliff told the Rangers is they offered 6 he’d come back, but then when they offered that he upped it to 7. I guess it was a blessing in disguise. Texas would be handcuffed right now otherwise.
He was stalling so the Phillies could up their offer. Apparently he was about an hour away from signing with Texas.
I think the Angels should give all their top prospects to the Phillies for him. Then he can get a nice home and get settled back in Southern California, before the offseason in which he goes to the Dodgers as a free agent.
I agree, it looks like the Dodgers are in position to offer him a good deal in the off season, the Phills will trade him when they see they can’t sign him.
144/6 years? That’s steep…but I want Hamels in Philly.
I have a hard time seeing Cole Hamels turn down a 6 year $144 million dollar contract (or $138-$140 ish) if that is in fact the offer they’re going to make. If he does, I think you’ve got to trade him. 7 years $162+ million isn’t worth it.
Hamels may think it’s time to move on, the Phils have been under acheivers since 08.
They’ve gotten better every year since… If anything, they overachieved in 2008.
I say if Cole Hamels rejects any of those deals then he just wants out of
Philadelphia period. Where would you rather be a millionaire and still play
for a contender? In his first home in Phillie? or his real home and close to
his family in S.California?
I’m not trying to argue for the sake of arguing, but the Dodgers would definitely be contenders with him.
They were saying on the radio after the game they offered him a 5 yr/$122 million deal, which he supposedly rejected. I don’t know how true this is but it was mentioned on the post game, so it sounds believable to me.
If that was Missanelli, I wouldn’t buy it at all.
I’d reject that offer too. He could get another $50 million on the open market.
Mikey Miss makes up things and usually has no clue about the business side of baseball.
Or anything really.
6/132 really should get it done.
I would say 6/150 is a starting point.
Starting point? Maybe for Cole. 25 per for 6 years is not a starting point.
He’s said to be looking for 23 AAV for 6 years…
Phillies starting should be 5/100 and an option for 6/125. That’s a starting point
If that’s true, Hamels will feel insulted, and he will be gone.
So if I went on the radio and told you I was the boogeyman, you’d believe that too?
It doesn’t sound unrealistic though.
Hamels on the Giants? That would be fun to watch
The Giants were scouting Ty Wigginton.
Ive always wondered this… What if Cole gets traded, season ends, and then…. Resigns with the Phillies?
They get prospect’s for him , and then they get him back in return…. A win win….
yeah, that won’t happen again. you already did that.
I doubt it as well. Obviously that’s the most ideal for the Phillies (and maybe even Hamels).
I still think that in the offseason they may take offers for Haaday. It would be a 1 year 20 million dollar ace with draft compensation. I’m sure the offers would at least equivalent to what they gave up if not more. (D’Arnaud is really the only prospect working out right now because of Drabeks injury)
If they trade him, it’s because they can’t sign him.