Prior to the Brewers' road trip last week, General Manager Doug Melvin told his staff, "If we lose five out of six, we're selling." Milwaukee has now dropped six-of-six after being swept by the Reds and Phillies, and sources have told Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com that they could start moving pieces as soon as today.
The Brewers are known to be talking to teams about Zack Greinke, but the first trade or trades will likely be less significant. Others who could draw interest include Aramis Ramirez, Corey Hart, and George Kottaras.
Melvin would also love to trade starter Randy Wolf and reliever Francisco Rodriguez, but neither has much value. The Giants had interest in K-Rod at one point but are no longer going to pursue him after two poor outings against the Phillies, sources told Knobler.
Brewer fans… Is Carlos Gomez available? I had hoped the brew crew would compete, they are my second favorite national league team, I however don’t know contract situations or other details.
What would it cost to obtain him in a trade?
Probably not much.
I sure hope he is. The Brewers have a couple possible OF in the minors that can come up if there is room.
He has a good contract at $1,962,000 this year, and has his 3rd arb this offseason.
I assumed he was able to be traded for, from the outside he seems like he has so much potential that’s never going to be tapped. I’d still like to see him on the braves however.
Who would they call up? Schafer or Gindl, neither of which really excite me. I still think there’s an outside chance Gomez figures it out… he’s showing signs of life more often this year than in any year past.
a pitching prospect who projects to be a solid reliever might get it done
Hard to say. I would think the Brewers would want a lot for him since he’s under contract for another year and can play outfield and 1b and is a pretty good hitter
you may want to edit that comment.. unless you have seen gomez playing 1b on his off days or something
Ya thought they were talking about Hart not Gomez. Gomez probably wouldnt take too much
I would imagine that Gomez is available, but I would have to believe his price has gone up in the past couple weeks. However, I still wouldn’t expect a large return for him.
I think they really like Gomez, and would push Morgan out first. I like Gomez, but he’s still an enigma. He looks like the game should come easy to him, but more often than not, it doesn’t. I’d like to have him around next year, so I hope he stays put.
If he can learn to not swing at the first strike thrown, his OBP should skyrocket.
..and if Juan Pierre could learn to hit the ball harder and farther, his SLG% would skyrocket.
I don’t think so and I don’t want him to be available hahah because he’s one of our only producers and he’s the fastest player in the MLB
Bourn, Bourjos, Trout, Constanza, and Bonifacio would like to have a word with you
gomey would dust them all and it wouldn’t even be close
Right….
Lol. Gomez is waaaaay faster than trout. And everyone else on your list. Problem for gomez is you can’t steal first.
Especially when you’re on the DL.
sad thing is, Most of his injury’s come from going all out in situations that don’t matter, love to see a guy go hard but believe it or not there is a time to tone it down.
Bourn may be the only player on that list with a chance to beat Gomez, but i’d prolly take all of them (except Bourjos) over him.
As would McCutchen. 1st to 3rd faster than anyone in the game.
If we can get a decent return for Gomez, he’s gone. Logan Schafer would do just fine in his place.
He can a foul ball homerun better than anyone I’ve ever seen!
Considering Bourn has probably paid his way out of the braves pockets..
Corey Hart to the Dodgers possibly??
Dee Gordon?
Nyger Morgan?
(Oh.. we’re not just randomly naming names with ?s?)
Nori Aoki! did i do it right?
You forgot the ‘?’
I’d like to see the Giants pursue him. Shouldn’t come too expensive because he’s getting paid $10M next year.
Well he fits in nicely as a right handed power bat at 1st/OF. Just sayin…
What does everyone think about a package deal sendinbg both Corey Hart and Zack Greinke to the Braves?
That actually crossed my mind earlier.
You would have to give up a ton
Would be awesome, but they’d probably have to trade Uggla for it to happen. Where would Hart play? I suppose they could move Prado into a super-utility role, but it’s unlikely.
I doubt the Braves move Uggla. Just a hunch.
If its hart for uggla and greink for tehran Im all for it cause uggla is having a uggly season again…..but last year 33 game hitting steak saved him
What?
The Brewers would not take Uggla’s terrible contract in return for Greinke in any deal especially when they have Rickie Weeks already at 2B.
Really? I actually have to explain to you that my comment about Uggla had NOTHING to do with him being traded to the Brewers?
I’m saying that they would have to move Uggla if they were to acquire Hart, because Hart would have no where to play with Prado, Bourn, Heyward in the OF and Freeman at 1B. Point being, they would have to trade Uggla somewhere, move Prado back to 2B, and then stick Hart in the OF………get it?
Is Corey Hart signed to a multi-year contract? A deal like that would most certainly include Teheran or Delgado, what other pieces would MIL want? Bethancourt? Spruill? Terdoslavich? I would love to see Hart and Greinke both in ATL.
You would easily have to give up Teheran and Delgado along with other good prospects
If the deal would involve both Teheran and Delgado I’d have to say no. As a Braves fan I would be fine with moving either one plus other good prospects, but I think moving both of them for a Greinke rental and Hart (how many years are left on his contract) is too much. Homerism may be clouding my judgement, I admit, but dang I’d hate to lose both Delgado and Teheran. Delgado especially, I really think that kid is something special.
You have to think Wren was willing to give up Delgado for Ryan Dempster. Greinke is an ace type of pitcher. And then to include Corey Hart who is under contract for one more year and also a great player who can play outfield or 1b. You would have to give up at least those two plus much more
You are probably right. I just hate the idea of giving up both Teheran and Delgado. I’d rather see Teheran and Minor go in a deal. I think Delgado is a much better pitcher than he is given credit for. Teheran, Minor, and Terdoslavich? Could that get it done?
I am not sure that package would do it but if you add in 1 or 2 more prospects it may get the job done.
whos gonna play 3rd base next year…..franciso….
Prado
I am not sure we would have to part with both Teheran and Delgado. With Hart being 33 he would be more of a stop gap LF until Evan Gattis was ready to take over. I believe e has 2 years left on his contract. I would build a package arounf Delgado with maybe 2 or 3 AAA/AA prospects.
Hart is 30.
And plays RF/1B. Not LF.
I’d imagine he’d be able to play left, though.
Trade Hart or Ramirez but don’t trade both. They will need one of them if they want to put a respectable team on the field next year. I prefer keeping hart because of age and versatility.
Could probably get the Yankees to take on aramis now, but don’t expect top prospects.
doubt that.. the yankees don’t need a 3B that is signed for 2.5 more years. wouldn’t expect much for him anyways though
Your nuts if you still think arod will be able to play the field for 2.5 more years, although fractured left hand should be less of a concern with his throws.
Not like Ramirez is getting any younger though.. would you really want Jeter and Ramirez to be the left side of your infield in in 2 years? They are solid but will both be really, really old.
I wonder if Gallardo is available?
I would love him in the Braves Rotation
Everyone is always available regardless what they try and say. It is just the price that you are willing to pay, could be extremely high.
A package centered around Randall Delgado with a couple other top-20 prospects could be enough…
Nope. He’s under an affordable deal through 2014, with a club option for 2015. They won’t trade him for Randall Delgado.
As a Braves fan, I’d be pumped about a trade for YoGa. Delgado would be much better spent on him instead of Dempster.
Right… but that trade wouldn’t happen because it doesn’t make sense for one of the teams.
I’d love to see the Yankees go out and get him. They have the pitching and OF prospects to get it done. Maybe Banuelos/Betances (Betances being traded would disappoint me) along with Mason Williams and one of Romine/Sanchez for Gallardo and Hart? Throw in another B prospect to sweeten the pot if the Brewers balk at it. I mean, I’d love to keep Mason Williams, but pitching wins championships and grabbing a guy like Gallardo is probably a lot cheaper than what JJ would cost. It’s a lot to give up, but a rotation of CC-Gallardo-Pettitte-Nova-Hughes would be killer in September and October. Hughes as a #5 starter is probably awesome. Maybe we can get K-Rod or Axeford without giving up anything else if we absorb the rest of the contract.
I don’t think he’d “come cheaper” than Josh Johnson for a couple of reasons:
-He’s not on the trading block
-His contract is team friendly for what he brings to the club
-He’s got two years, and an option for a third left on his deal
-His only real injury was a freak leg injury, and it was four years ago
So, yeah… you’d be better off pursuing Josh Johnson.
Not even remotely close.
He’s not. He’s too good, affordable and locked up.
For Gallardo to be availavle, Simmons and Teheran would have to be available.
what prospects would pirates have to give up for hart?
he would be a nice fit in RF not sure what it would take to get him though
For Hart, I imagine Starling Marte/Josh Bell would be prime candidates, with Cole/Taillon being too valuable.
He’d look good playing for the Bucs. Would definitely be an upgraded bat for the offense if they could get him.
Id do it for Marte
Well, Marte was called up tonight so looks like he is off the market. I wouldn’t trade him for Corey Hart regardless. I like Hart, but not for a top prospect.
i’m along the same lines. Hart isn’t cheap contract wise and we got an idea what he can do… where as Marte is fairly cheap and won’t do much worse than what the pirates have been getting (hopefully). one of our MLB pitching extras Corriea or Bedard and a draft pick would do or maybe Wandy if the brewers decide to move one of their pitchers.
Wandy has up to 2.5 yrs of control…no way on our green earrh they flip him. He is going.to help birdge the gap to Cole
hmm… the earth is mostly blue 😉 but yeah I understand what you are saying but unless something happens I would think cole would have a chance next year, and i’m not too keen on Wandy but I also wasn’t a fan of A.J. till he put on the pirate uniform funny how that works LOL 🙂
I was wondering the same thing. if they move one of their pitchers they maybe interested in Correia (anyone else think he resembles chris griffin?) and one of next years first round picks.
Maybe the pirates could also flip Wandy to the brewers(?)
Unless the Pirates are getting a player for at least 2 years giving up one of their top prospects should be out of the question.
Hart is under contract for a while yet.
A while meaning one more year after this season.
More than they would want to. I’m under the impression that we’re asking a lot for Hart and will only move him if a blowaway offer comes along. I think the Brewers would start by asking for Marte+ in return for Hart, and I doubt the Pirates would be willing to do it. Although, it would be nice to see Hart and McGehee hitting in the same lineup again.
Hart and Greinke for Teheran, Spruill, and Terdoslavich? Just speculation, I haven’t looked to see if monetarily it is even feasible.
Way too light for both Greinke and Hart. I’d be disappointed if that’s what they settled on for just Greinke. They don’t really need pitching in return.
How about Minor, Teheran, Spruill, and Terdoslavich for Hart and Greinke?
Again – that’s mostly pitching (even more pitching), and one bat that has not impressed this year, so I’d still say “no.” And therein lies the problem: I don’t think the Braves are a great match for the Brewers.
You’re probably right. The Rangers match up better. As a poster above noted, Olt would be the prospect I’d be targeting if I were the Breweres.
Can’t really speak to the whether Mil needs pitching part, as I’m not too familiar with their farm system.
However, I do think Mil fans are expecting way too much for 2 months of Greinke (unless the trade is contingent on an extension being in place before it is finalized, which seems highly unlikely that Gerinke will do right now)… With the new CBA, and no compensation picks for the team trading for a rental, I seriously don’t think you can expect multiple top prospects. Teheran or Delgado alone would likely be worth more than the sandwich pick you get for him, and I’ve read that from the Braves they were looking for a package along the lines of Teheran, Delgado and a minor position prospect, like Salcedo… I just don’t see that happening, it’s difficult for mid-market, budget constrained teams to kill their farm system like that for 2 months, even if it may significantly contribute to a push this year.
I would however not mind the idea of Hart in a deal, allowing Prado to be a super utility (and possibly play some significant time at 2b as Uggla struggles). With him under control next year, and the Braves needing a LF next year as Prado likely moves to 3b full time, I think something along those lines would make trading away multiple top prospects an easier pill to swallow.
However, like I said, can’t comment on Mil’s pitching needs though, and that’s Atlanta’s position of strength prospect-wise, so if that’s the case, then they probably don’t match up well as trading partners…
I’m not arguing that some of the deals proposed wouldn’t have value to a baseball team looking to sell a guy like Greinke, because they would. I just don’t believe that they have as much value to the Brewers. They have Wily Peralta in Triple A, and Tyler Thornburg is up, and ready to show what he can do. Mike Fiers has been outstanding so far. Marcum will be back to finish the year… maybe they bring him back, maybe they don’t. Former top pick Mark Rogers will get another shot. Marco Estrada has been serviceable in the rotation. Ditto Chris Narveson. Jimmy Nelson could move quickly, and I believe they drafted Taylor Jungmann, and Jed Bradley to have college guys that would be able to contribute by 2014. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t…
What they’re lacking right now is IF prospects that project as every day players in the bigs. Especially at shortstop.
I get what you’re saying, and appreciate that.
I was more commenting on what I had read that the Brewers were
originally asking for from the Braves: a deal that centered around
Teheran, and included another major and minor prospect (which the author
mentioned were likely Delgado and someone like Salcedo… whether he
was just guessing there, I’m not sure).
I was merely trying to say that
expectations of receiving 2 major prospects and a minor one for only two
months of a pitcher, with no one else in the deal, are unrealistically high, especially with the new CBA in place.
They can ask for the moon… whether or not they get it is another story entirely. Honestly, you can’t put a price tag on winning a championship, and if acquiring Greinke can potentially help steer the Braves there, they have to be open to the idea of moving more than they or their fans would like.
You’d be disappointed with that package even though the Brewers would be trading just a couple of months worth of Zach Greinke??!?!?!
Hart also has a 15 team NTC.. not sure if the braves are on it though
why would we want hart….
My thoughts were move Hart to LF and let Prado work as super utility role until next season when he can take over full time at 3b. Like I said, just speculation, I don’t know how feasible it is.
As for why would the Braves want Hart? He is a power hitter with decent, not great, average potential and can steal a few bases. He’s a very underrated player.
For both of them, it would take more than that. I will give it a try here, Teheran, Gilmartin, Spruill, Pastornicky, Salcedo, and a lower level prospect
Brewers are holding out for either Profar or Olt from Rangers for Grienke.
The Rangers aren’t trading Profar…it won’t happen
I have a dream, that Jurickson Profar will one day be a Brewer, only thing it he will prolly be about 38 years old.
get greinke Mr.Wren he wants/wants to be a BRAVE
hes not trying too go play with his FRIENDS…..dempster….u make new friends when u compete for a ring….glad we didnt get him
..and the offers POUR in for George Kottaras.
Kottaras at least has SOME value.
Backup catchers who can hit a little, and have a little pop in their bat can get you something in a trade. No, it won’t be anything great, and it’s probably nothing more than a “change of scenery” type reliever or bench player, but that may be exactly what Milwaukee wants, too.
Not sure if sarcasm…
I dunno about you, but I think a catcher with some pop who walks more than he strikes out (25.0% BB rate, 20.7% K rate), has a .409 OBP, .352 wOBA, and 122 wRC+ would definitely draw some interest. I certainly wouldn’t expect much in return (no big names, prospects, et cetera), but he’s likely to get us something of some value in trade. Teams need catchers.
man i feel for brew crew faithful. That was a tough series. I’ve seen late inning collapses many times but i dont think i’ve seen 3 games in a row like that
Hopefully they’ve decided to leave the entire bullpen in Philadelphia. I wouldn’t be too broken up to never have to see any one of them pitch again… at least not in a Brewers uniform. I’d love to see ALL of them in a competitor’s uniform.
oh yeah i understand that. It looks like some moves need to be made
You might see some more losing in milwaukee over the next couple of years after they lose Greinke and Marcum to Free agency. Oh, for those that had the thought they could look to their farm system, they can’t.
I still like idea of Greinke going to Texas for Mike Olt. Anyone else feel this way?!?
I think that is perhaps the best possible deal for MIL. Olt is going to be a great 3b for years to come.
Ive been a brewers fan all my life and i cant remember a decenr 3B
You don’t remember Bill Hall???
Hall had like 2 really good years. I miss him.
Must not have been around very long. Brewers have had many decent 3rd baseman (Cirillo and Seitzer come to mind). They haven’t had many great ones but Cirillo was pretty darn good in his heyday
Yes. Seitzer, too. He was solid.
Brett Lawrie?
Thanks by the way.
You still haven’t been to the postseason since 1993. You’d think Blue Jays fans would be a little more humble.
You havent won a world series since 1957, at least the Jays won the world series in 1993, and I would love to see how many times the Brewers make the playoffs in the AL East.
It’s a hard knock life in the AL East, huh? I’m so tired of hearing about how tough it is – for many years the Jays, Orioles, and Rays were actually terrible… it had very little to do with what division any of them were in. They would have floundered in every one. Anyway, bragging about World Series wins from twenty years ago looks a little sad. You haven’t been relevant in two decades, so stop posturing.
Okay lets talk about the last 2 decades, the Jays have won a total of 971 games and the brewers have won 914, so the Jays have been the better team for the last two decades even though we havent been relevant since the 90`s. But, Milwakee hasn`t been relevant since the 50`s. At the end of the day making the playoffs and not winning the world series will only get you a worse draft pick, the only thing that is relevant is the world series ring.
I never claimed that Milwaukee has been a model franchise, and honestly, the mid 90’s to mid 00’s were terrible – the ownership, lead by Selig’s daughter, couldn’t do anything right… outside of get a nice stadium built. Things under Mark Attanasio have been much different.
I was just commenting on how arrogant you were coming off for being a fan of a team that hasn’t won anything since 1993. No Division… No Wildcard. You still sound arrogant.
Molitor played some third too. Sure, he wasn’t drafted there, but most of my memories of him were at 3B or DH.
Don Money, Paul Molitor, and Jeff Cirillo, just to name three “decent” 3rd basemen who were Brewers, Adam.
Wes Helms?
Helms wasn’t terrible, but he wasn’t an everyday starter type of player, either.
Unfortunately, when he was in Milwaukee, it was during some extremely awful seasons, and he was easily one of the better players on those teams.
Don’t forget Sal Bando
Didn’t Ryan Braun play a little 3b? 🙂
Braun stood near the third base bag for games during his rookie season. Saying he “played the position” is perhaps a bit charitable.
You clearly have not been…..
Don Money? Didn’t Molitor come up as a third baseman?
I think Molitor actually came up as either a SS or 2B, but Milwaukee was pretty set with Yount and Gantner at those positions.
I’d much rather have the Rangers as a trade partner than the Braves, and part of the reason for that would be Olt.
Teheran is no joke of a prospect but the Brewers have some fine young pitching prospects already, need bats.
Greinke prefers to stay in Milwaukee
Tell him that.
Didn’t he just turn down a contract offer from them? What is your statement based off of?
i would like to see the pirates go after corey hart or hunter pence
From division champs and reaching the NLCS last year to being sellers this year. WOW what a change in the amount of a year.
Happens every year. Even happens to the Cardinals on occasion, no?
It’s what happens when you lose one of the best hitters in baseball, and you let your bullpen pitchers walk, and relying on sucky ones.
The Cardinals lost the BEST player in baseball Albert Pujols in free agency and they are still managing without him. Whats your point?
yeah pujols is the best player in baseball? really?
pujols hasn’t been the best player for a while
what’s your point?
Losing Fielder hurt, no doubt.
But, what REALLY killed the Brewers was the massive amount of injuries to key players early, and the bullpen that was beyond horrific this year.
Had they avoided some of those key early injuries, and had those relievers pitched more like they have in the past, this season would be going well, and the Brewers would be “buyers.”
Tough to watch, but it’s true. Prince leaving, great as he was – and he was – is NOT why the Crew has just fallen completely apart.
Agreed completely.
Honest question: who would want 2.5 years of Hart? That’s ~$9million/year for 81 wRC+ away from Miller. And those strikeout rates are hideous.
There are far worse contracts out there. He’s also a consistent producer with the bat. He’s also consistently streaky. He’s had stretches in his career where he was on fire for weeks, and hitting better than anyone in the game… and yes, stretches of just the opposite. So to answer your question, I don’t know what I should feel about the stat you referenced, but he is a good baseball player.
wRC+ consolidates all of a player’s offensive production (and non-production) into a single stat to show how many runs that player was worth. The stat is then normalized – 100 is average, and every point above/below represents a player who is x% better/worse than average at creating runs. The stat is also park and league-adjusted.
All that to say, Hart is a great hitter at home (149 wRC+) and a not-so-good one on the road (81 wRC+).
… and it more than evens out? So, where’s the problem? Unless you’re insinuating he’s only physically capable of hitting in the friendly
confines of Miller Park… but that would be crazy
He can hit on the road, he just hits much, much better at Miller Park. I’m not smart enough to say whether his home/road splits even out, but he is an above-average player offensively for the Brewers.
If I may: imagine you’re a team trying to acquire offense for a playoff-push, what numbers are you more interested in: how Hart performed at Miller Park or how Hart performed away from Miller Park?
I probably wouldn’t look to acquire Corey Hart, mid-season. That doesn’t mean he’s not worth what he gets paid. As I said, he’s streaky… and that’s why I wouldn’t rely on his bat to put my team over the top… too much risk involved, but he’s more productive a ballplayer than the vast majority, and definitely earns his money. As for the home/road splits – this is for his career? I honestly can’t say I’ve noticed him to be any less productive on the road… though it’s possible he’s gone on a nine game tear or something during a home-stand, here and there.
Should’ve mentioned, that was 2012. Career splits would be 132 wRC+ (home) and 99 wRC+ (away). Not as bad on the road as this year, but not as good either. Except for 2008, he’s performed better at home than on the road. I’ll put a link in the next post, just in case it takes a while for the mods to approve.
Edit: Should also mention that the link if/when approved will be comparing home/road wOBA, not wRC+. wRC+ is based off wOBA, so the conclusion shouldn’t differ much.
A tick below league average on the road, and well above at home then… so based on that, I still don’t understand why nobody should want him through the 2013 season (Only one year left on his deal). Hyperbole, or is there more to your argument?
Mistakenly read his free agent year, so yes, 1.5 years left on the deal.
For the year, his walks are a little down, his strikeouts are way up, and he is generally playing pretty poor outside of Miller Park. To try and put it in perspective, he is the 30th best qualifying player (by wRC+) in all of baseball at home, but is 125th best qualifying on the road.
This isn’t an issue when he plays with the Brewers of course, and I’m not questioning his value to them as a player. However, as a trade chip, his value is greatly diminished because of how valuable he is at Miller (and how costly he is away from the park).
fangraphs.com/splits.aspx?playerid=1945&posit…
Tell that to Carlos Gonzalez and Coors Field….
Miller Park is sort of a sanctuary though, The Brewers themselves play great, for no real statistical reason except the fans. Away not so hot. Wouldn’t take Corey long to hit in another park well…
Hart = Poor man’s Jayson Werth
I would say the “more financially responsible man’s” Jayson Werth. The fact that they’re paying far less for a guy that is at least as good as Werth is nothing to be ashamed of.
I meant it in a good way…
Sad to say this but even Kottaras would be an upgrade over Martin at this point.
Kottaras’s power number would go up in Yankee Stadium too.
Hart, Ramirez and Aoki are solid players but the only “untouchables” should be Braun, Lucroy and Gallardo. The rest of ’em? Time to start over.
Hart could very well be the First Basemen of the future, so his price is pretty high.
I say get rid of Weeks, but really, who would take him?
Hart to the Pirates but what would it cost???
Sell what? Garbage doesn’t have much value. Greinke isn’t going to bring a big haul of prospects- he is a 3 month rental.
Hart would look absolutely stellar in a Buccos uni. But my guess is the price would be steep. Taillon, Locke, and one of Polanco or Osuna. I know people love JT’s “potential” but to have Hart I would do that yesterday…
I love Corey Hart, but that is an offer that is hard to refuse, maybe take out Locke and put in a high upside bat.
That would definitely be Polanco or Osuna. Never gonna get Hanson but those two aren’t too shabby by any means. It’s an.over pay but for 1.5 yrs of.control Id do it now…
No matter what happens this was a good alked blog i wish every blog went this way it was fans talking about baseball well done
Cards should jump all over K-Rod while his value’s low give a B- or a couple C’s or somethin…