The Mariners needed hitting, the Yankees needed pitching. The two teams addressed each other's needs in a blockbuster trade of young stars, as right-handers Michael Pineda and Jose Campos will go to the Bronx in exchange for catcher/DH Jesus Montero and righty Hector Noesi. Both teams confirmed the trade this afternoon.
The Yankees re-signed C.C. Sabathia and Freddy Garcia this winter, but those moves amounted to just standing pat with a rotation that (after Sabathia) contained several question marks. In Pineda, however, the Yankees now have one of the top young arms in the game and one who has already showed he can perform at the Major League level. Pineda (pictured) posted a 3.74 ERA, a 3.15 K/BB ratio and a 9.1 K/9 rate in 28 starts last season, earning an All-Star appearance and a fifth-place finish in the AL Rookie Of The Year vote. Pineda recently turned 23 and is under club control through 2016.
Campos, 19, is another intriguing young arm. John Sickels of Minor League Ball ranked Campos as the fifth-best prospect in Seattle's system going into 2012, noting that while Campos' secondary pitches need some polish, "his upside is very high, he throws hard, and already throws strikes." Campos is coming off a dominant campaign in low Class-A ball in 2011, posting a 2.32 ERA and a whopping 6.54 K/BB in 14 starts. Joel Sherman of the New York Post hears from an NL executive that if Campos was in this year's amateur draft, "he is [a] no-doubt top-10 pick" (Twitter link).
Montero was a top-four prospect in both 2010 and 2011 according to Baseball America and the 22-year-old showed why when he posted a .996 OPS in 69 September plate appearances. Montero was drafted as a catcher but questions about his defensive capabilities had several pundits projecting his long-term future to be at designated hitter or first base. In New York, these spots will be blocked by Mark Teixeira and Alex Rodriguez for the next several seasons, but the bat-starved Mariners have plenty of room in the lineup. Montero immediately projects as Seattle's probable #3 hitter, splitting time between DH and catcher, and it's easy to see Montero hitting behind Dustin Ackley for years to come.
Montero was very nearly a Mariner in July 2010, as he headlined a prospect package the Yankees were ready to send to Seattle for Cliff Lee. The M's, however, pulled out of that trade and ended up dealing Lee to the Rangers. Yankees management was reportedly upset that the Mariners pulled out of the deal at the last minute, but whatever hard feelings existed between the two clubs clearly weren't enough to keep them from doing business 18 months later.
Noesi appeared in 30 games for New York last season (two of them starts), posting a 4.47 ERA and a 2.05 K/BB ratio. Noesi turns 25 later this month and amassed impressive numbers over six seasons in the Yankee farm system. Noesi should get a shot at filling Pineda's rotation spot in Seattle and could blossom at pitcher-friendly Safeco Field.
Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com was the first to announce the trade as official, with MLB.com's Greg Johns adding Campos and Noesi's involvement. ESPN's Jerry Crasnick first heard of a "significant trade" involving a "young impact hitter" coming to the Mariners earlier today, and Larry Stone of the Seattle Times was the first to cite Pineda and Montero in the deal, as he had heard "rumblings in that direction."
Photo courtesy of Icon SMI.
Good for both sides.
Edit: 1st! 🙂
Congratulations! So much for the “quiet” Yankees offseason…
Well now…I guess we just learned how “untouchable” Montero really was!
Montero was never Untouchable alone. What Cashman said was Untouchable was trading 2 of Montero, Betances and Banuelos for 1 player (or I should really say 1 pitcher).
Maybe so, but from what I recall “not untouchable alone” was something that came about more recently. For quite some time it was as if he could not be touched. How time flies!
Yeah – even last offseason. I don’t necessarily see that as a knock on him though.
now the Yankees only have two blue chip catchers, must be tough.
Awful! The Mets would be lucky to have such a “hardship.” :p
So, your complaining that the Yankees are not planning for a future. You must be a met fan.
Or maybe you’re to dim too understand sarcasm…a typical yankee fan, unable to show any grace with regard to the good fortune their franchise has…
I was thinking the same thing about Michael Pineda haha
No I still think Seattle got shafted
They got royally shafted. A future DH/1B is not good value for a future Ace.
And they had to throw In Campos, which seems completely unnecessary.
I like how all DH/1B are suddenly bad players now
Saying he’s a future ace without a formidable changeup is an extremely bold prediction.
Saying he’s a future ace without a formidable changeup is an extremely bold prediction.
Seattle are idiots! Trading Fister and Pineda with in ten months will devastate the franchise for years to come. Had they kept both, and signed C.J. Wilson, or even Kuroda, along with Hernandez,they could have had a real shot this season. At this point, they may as well trade Felix,too.
Seattle has among the deepest pitching in the minor leagues of all of baseball. They have Hultzen, Paxton, Taijuan Walker, just to name a few. They are loaded with pitching. They get back Noesi who can take Pineda’s place in the lineup. I think this was a fair trade for both sides, with both teams addressing needs. This really could turn out either way, depending on future development of Montero/Pineda which is almost impossible to predict
with all the pitching comeing up they could afford to trade pineda. they had felix,lee,bedard,fister and vargas at one time ans couldnt win with that beacause they had no offense. trade needed to be done.
fly ball pitcher going to yankee bandbox, nope.
but then again montero probably isn’t going to be great in safeco either soo…
Safeco Field is death to RHBs…
actually its death to LHB, which is the opposite of yankee stadium, ironically, pineda has trouble with……. Left handed hitters.
No, left field is the issue. This is is why Beltre, Sexson, etc. have struggled. It has always been a theory among Mariners fans that a left-handed power hitter would do very well, we’ve just failed to ever get anything better than Raul Ibanez.
yes left field is the issue. and montero has showed his oppo- power and also the mariners are trying to get fielder. he would make the mariners a serious threat
yes left field is the problem. montero has shown his oppo-power and mariners have a shot at fielder. he would make them a threat
nope, Safeco is death to right-handers, at least as far as the longball is concerned.
they are death to dead pull right handers. montero has power to all fields and he uses it. he will not have a problem in safeco.
So you think Pineda will become a pinata in the bronx?
As the Yankees sign Fielder for DH…..
Oh my god … if that happens I may jump off of a bridge.
That will not happen!
That will NOT happen. Prince is likely to go to Texas so then they can flip Moreland for Garza straight up. It’s as fair as trade as you can get. plus Rizzo won’t be ready til 2014 and by then Moreland can be flipped in 2013 for pitchers. Honestly it’s a no brainier for Texas to try to get Fielder to a 5-6 yr contract, with options for a 7th and maybe an 8th yr, with an opt out clause at year 4.
thats a terrible trade for the Cubs. They could get way more for Garza
Of course they can do better the Rangers would need to throw in a prospect or two. Plus the Rangers would be potentially a 110+ win team with Garza and Yu on their pitching Staff along with their best guy who will easily get 70 mil on the Open market with Derrek Holland. If they got Prince in that line up they will automatically be better then Anaheim not that they aren’t better without him because half the Angels lineup the players are at least 30 Hunter, Wells and Pujols are all 34 and older.
What? Why in the world?
not so bad. both players have huge upside
Who trades a 22 year old pitcher with tremendous upside. It would be a different story if he was a prospect but at 22 years old and having a 3.74 ERA in your first big league season? Seattle got hosed in my opinion. Huge win for the Yankees.
A team that has one of the most dominant pitchers in the game. A team that just added an Ace from Japan and a team that has 4 FOUR potential front like starters comming up… Not to mention they need offense,,,, thats who makes that trade. And by you saying the yankees made a “huge win” it shows you dont know much about baseball and ZERO about Montero.
Pineda established himself as a big league picther at 22 years old. They have 4 potential front line starters coming up? What happens if they crash and burn? They’re prospects which crash and burn all the time, they’re not established like Pineda was. I know a lot more about baseball then you my friend.
Pineda’s one logged season hardly makes him “established.”
He’s a mile ahead of Montero.
The Mariners have a lot of promising pitching and almost zero promising offense so I can understand the gamble. I was admittedly horrified when I got my ESPN text alert telling me Pineda was gone, but the more I think about it, the more I’m comfortable with the move. I keep thinking to myself, maybe we just found the next Jay Buhner (in terms of finding a helluva bat from the yanks)…
Go Mariners!!!
pineda is established w/ 1 season? which he tired towards the end, has serious trouble w/ Left handed batters and is moving from pitchers paradise in a weak division to launching pad in baseballs best division, expect serious step back for Pineda stats, but increase in wins
Well the volatility in pitching is fairly significant. If this trade was made last offseason everyone would think the Yankees got shafted. It’s very fair.
It’s five years of a pitcher who turns 23 this month for six years of a DH/catcher who turned 22 in November.
The trade addresses each team’s immedate needs.
See I would like to believe you but why with the Yankees being so old would they be so willing to always include their “top” prospect Montero? I think this kid is a huge bust as a prospect. Pineda has such huge upside. Very bad deal for Seattle.
You’re calling him a bust when all he’s done at the major league level is post a .996 OPS in 18 games. I agree that the Yankees came out winners in the deal, but your brash conclusions seem a bit short-sighted.
You’re right I shouldn’t have said bust. If Montero was such a stud prospect why are they always willing to give him up in every single trade?
Because Montero has been traded so often.
Because they are loaded offensively and want a stud pitcher in return?
because they have no place for him….
NYY has a massive budget that can afford to put star players into spots that they can ill-afford to let star prospects grow into. If they would have put Montero in the DH spot, they could run the risk of clogging a position that gives them a lot of flexibility (DH) while risking Montero’s trade value if he comes up and doesn’t perform well in an intense situation. SEA is taking a huge risk in that he’ll pay off – one that I wouldn’t take especially after seeing Smoak – but they were desperate for a player with a huge upside.
I wonder if this means they won’t submit a bid for Fielder.
This has been the best explanation yet. Bravo.
The Yankees will benefit from this trade much more quickly than Seattle. With the Yankees Pineda will be a 15-16 game winner. Adding this bat to the Seattle lineup will not replace the wins that he provided last year. Pitching and good defense produce wins. As a Rays fan I hate this trade because it will make the Yankees even more difficult to beat.
Dude….”every single trade”? Let’s analyze the pitchers (never mentioned in a trade for a hitter) that the Yanks have been willing to “give him away” for.
Santana…Halladay….Lee…Hernandez.
Gee, Yanks really don’t think much of him.
Pitchers they were unwilling to deal him for but teams were rumored to demand.
Garza, Gio, Danks, Greinke, Liriano and Jiminez.
I am a HUGE Montero fan and dealing him must be difficult.This trade could easily end up bad for the Yanks but I give Cashman credit for holding out as long as he did and getting a pitcher with Pineda’s age and upside for him.
I’m also a fan of Noesi and expect him to be a good mlb pitcher but we didn’t have space for him and Campos looks like he can be a good prospect too.
The Yankees will benefit from this trade much more quickly than
Seattle. With the Yankees Pineda will be a 15-16 game winner. Adding
this bat to the Seattle lineup will not replace the wins that he
provided last year. Pitching and good defense produce wins. As a Rays
fan I hate this trade because it will make the Yankees even more
difficult to beat.
Pineda last year was worth 3.4 WAR. A catcher who has a league average bat is worth about 3 WAR. I have no doubt that Montero will be at least an average bat and Seattle will not see much fall off if any.
Wait what? When exactly were they “willing to give up” Montero? Oh, you mean for that scrub Cliff Lee? That’s the only trade I recall where he was included in. And Cliff Lee is a beast! You should know if you’re an Ms fan. The reason they DIDN’T give up Montero for Garza, Gio, etc proves the opposite of your point. So… now what were you saying?
backtrack backtrack backtrack
Carlos Gonzalez was traded twice while being a stud prospect. Carlos Santana was also traded for Casey Blake. Adrian Gonzalez, Cameron Maybin, Elvis Andrus and Adam Jones were a few more that were traded as young players.
Being the centerpiece of a trade for a top young pitcher hardly constitutes the Yankees having doubts about him or giving him away. It takes value to get value and smart teams trade the valuable pieces they don’t have room for on the big league roster.
Montero is a DH. The Yankees can use him at DH the next year or two, but they’d be best served keeping the spot open. They traded from a position of strength for a position of need. Seattle did the same thing. Both teams got better.
Seeing the package the Padres got for Latos, sure seems as if they could have gotten a lot more then Montero.
If you believe that Jose Campos would be a top-10 pick in the amateur draft, then SEA just got the wool pulled over their eyes.
Montero is a much better hitter than any of the players the Reds sent to the Padres.
As Justin Smoak fell into the shadows in Seattle, I fear Montero may follow him…
I agree Matt not a Montero fan and Pineda just believe they could have gotten more.
I’m certainly surprised that Pineda didn’t get more. Look what Latos got…and I would have given my first born, my wedding night with my wife, and my mom for Michael Pineda over Mat Latos.
You’re going to see Smoak hitting quite well this year.
…in AAA.
Lol… funny but no.
i am a yankees fan but i think you cant judge this trade just yet at first hand the yankees look like they got the upper hand i think montero showed last year that he is for real and right now he is the mariner power threat
But when you bet Pineda and Campos a Top Prospect for Montero and Noresi with the value of pitching the way it is.
Each team valued pitching differently depending on the team’s depth.
The trade addressed each team’s needs.
I was taking you seriously until you said that Montero showed he was for real in 18 games. Chris Davis proved he was for real in 80 games in 2008.
Where in the world is Chris Davis? Baltimore? Weird.
Smoak was absolutely tearing it up last season until his father passed away in late April, at which point his production hit a brick wall. I’m almost 100% confident that we’ll be hearing his name with regularity in 2012.
Tearing it up…until late April.
Okay then.
It was more like late June when he injured his thumb and tried to play through it.
Smoak was hampered by injuries last year. Before that, he was doing great and when he finally returned healthily, he had a good September. Definitely wouldn’t give up on him yet.
Wow!!
Last time you’ll see this avatar. Montero #63.
Oh my goodness! I’m so sad…
It’s a fair deal. When the initial headline came across “young impact hitter” I honestly thought Snyder from Jays or someone from Tigers. I didn’t expect this deal. I’m ok with it.
It was a sarcastic remark referring to the last time we will ever see your avatar…
…As far as the trade goes, it can impact both clubs accordingly. The Mariners are stacked with pitching and need offense desperately. I don’t know if Montero will have a huge impact on their lineup though. That’s my concern, and I was really impressed with Pineda last season.
Snyder is not a impact hitter
Snider.
Him too…
Cory Snyder?
I’d love it if I were a Yankee fan. It stinks to give up such a good young player in Montero, but you’re getting another great young player in Pineda and he fills an area of much greater need for the Yankees than Montero does. The Yankees are one of the best offensive teams in the game with-or-without Montero, but their pitching was definitely lagging behind their offense, and this helps that area quite a lot.
Now the real question is who takes DH? Prince Fielder. That’s would just be ridiculous.
MANNY RAMIREZ!!!!!!!!!!
A-Rod can give him some of his steroid supplies to get him banned from baseball.
That was honestly my first thought too, but I only see that happening if Fielder is forced to take a one year deal. A-Rod is going to need time at DH and would need to be there full time before a long term deal for Fielder would end.
I’m think maybe they bring Chavez back to split time at 3B/DH with A-Rod (or something similar to that).
carlos pena?
Yeah…..wow. I mean I think Montero is going to be a hell of a hitter and I DO have an emotional attachment towards him but thank GOD they didn’t trade him for an over the hill pitcher. Still, Pineda has issues as well. He’s a two pitch pitcher who will need to come up with another pitch to be a FOR once hitters become acquainted with him.
Maybe, but his two pitches are both very good pitches and even if he is only a #2 he will be well worth it (and with CC as the Ace, a #2 is perfect for the Yankees).
Campos is a very good prospect too. When you’re right behind Walker, Hultzen and Franklin, that’s pretty good.
Campos could be the real prize here, although he is far from the majors. Tremendous upside.
Being an M’s fan, that really hurt seeing Campos is going too! Ouch…
I hope you’re right. Don’t know much about Campos.
I’m not knocking the deal as you might read in other posts, but even before this trade it was evident to me that Pineda needs a 3rd pitch.
I obviously HOPE he can get bye with 2 pitches but not too many of them last without developing a 3rd.
Well, he actually has 3 pitches (FB, SL, CH), so if anything he only needs to use his change more.
Honestly CC is not an Ace. He gets hit hard a lot he wins alot because his team scores alot for him not because he’s an ace.
CC has been one of the best pitchers in the game for several years now.
That’s because he played for the Brewers and their lineup the Yankees average like 6 runs a game of course he’s gonna be good. I never said CC wasn’t good I only said he wasn’t an ace.
Offense effects W-L, not how you pitch. To say CC is not an ace is nonsense.
He has a .255 BAA and only a .305 OBPA
The yankees do love teaching people the slider
Cole Hamels was a 2 pitch guy for the first 4-5 years of his career too. Pineda has 2 great pitches at Age 22. That’s pretty rare.
not to mention the yankees have other good catching prospects its still hard but im happy that goldstein called campos a top five prospect in the ms system
they might go after carlos Pena
Not a bad idea i was thinking posada or matsui as they can bench them but that be the much better option
I would hope they could do better but maybe in a limited role like Andruw Jones was last year off the bench he’ll be OK as a part time player.
He’ll get to pick a real number probably flip the 63 to 36.
Ruh-Roh!
Pineda’s fantasy value just doubled.
Or dropped considering he now plays in the wiffle ball park.
quite the opposite.
why? now he has to face the Rays, BoSox and Jays 54 times instead of 36 games against the Rangers and Angels.
Why did you say Rangers and Angels, and not Oakland to prove your point? Rangers have an excellent offense, and the Angels is pretty intimidating with Pujols. Oakland’s offense sucks, but the Rays’ aren’t exactly frightening either (though probably underrated)
more games against quality lineups. oakland are terrible. you can add the fact that YS, skydome and fenway are usually pretty strongly hitters parks.
The Rays do not feature a quality lineup.
scored 800+ runs 2 of the last 3 years. i’d say they’re pretty good.
And yet that non quality lineup of the Rays scored significantly more runs than the Angels and A’s.
uhhh What do I have to say about this trade, guys?
Ken Griffey Jr Jr & Jay Buhner Jr also involved
Trey plays Football
Finally some exciting news
Seattle overpay.
Beautiful move…
no! no! as a Yankee fan I do not like this move one bit
. . . Why?
well I guess I can’t say so for sure until we find out who the other included players are but pitchers are always a risk to burn out and Montero has shown some serious potential. Why not just throw Banuelos or Betances into the rotation next season and give Montero a shot as a young hitter in our lineup
the Yankees beat Seattle over in this deal.. a stud SP for a DH?? be happy.. as a Sox fan, I am not
Seattle fan checking in… That stud pitcher is going to need to work on that 5.12 2nd Half ERA – You may also want to check out the HOME and AWAY splits on the entire season. Don’t get me wrong. Pineda will be missed but you need to do a little research.
you mean a young pitcher wore down in the 2nd half of a season? that must be the first time.. enjoy your full time DH
Good thing he’s taking that 4.40 AWAY ERA to a pitcher’s park.
Enjoy your $16,000,000 DH – Seems the Sox put a priority on the position.
Because the Yankees offense is one of the best either way, and they need pitching (and Banuelos and Betances haven’t shown that they are ready to handle the majors). Even with Pineda there is plenty of room in the rotation for one of Banuelos or Betances if they force their way into the rotation.
This is true. However, I would’ve liked for them to keep Montero around to replace Martin after the season at catcher. People complain about his defense, but we won four championships with a not defensively sound catcher, and Montero looks to have a higher ceiling at the plate than Posada had. Oh well… I’m very happy to have a young power arm in my rotation though, don’t get me wrong
Montero has more upside at the plate than Posada, but according to most people who are paid to know these things he wont even be Posada behind the plate. In the words of Kevin Goldstein “his natural position is DH.”
Looking at the Yankees top 10 prospects, 4 of them are catchers … well now 3.
Gregg bird their highes paid draft pick is also a cathcer
I much rather of sacrificed this season and waited for hamels or someone like that, then give up a great hitter, i could care less what position he played he had huge offensive potential.
But what do you do with him when A-Rod has to play DH? And while those other pitchers would be as good, they would also be infinitely more expensive than Pineda, and by all accounts the Yankees are trying to get under the luxury tax by 2014.
You try to wait it out until tex leaves put miontero behind the plate on some days and what not but this makes it easier, it was just really hard to take initially.
Teix is there through 2016, you can’t just wait that out. A-Rod is going to need to be the everyday DH long before that, and Montero would be close to free agency by that point anyway.
ya, i thought it was 15 i wouldn’t of minded montero as a catcher for a yr as i think arod can man 3rd for two more seasons. He can be signed in 5 years and would still be in his prime but that’s so far. I’m liking the trade better by the minute though andhaving that dh hole will help.
sacrificed this season? thats heresy for Yankee fans. you should be burned at the stake.
after a comment like this, i figure u havent seen pineda pitch. just as montero, pineda has the potential to become a superstar player. this trade seems completely fair. the mariners need a bat and the yanks need a pitcher, so hard to understand?? easy thing
well I’ve never seen Pineda pitch to be fair but I have seen Montero absolutely rake. Oh well…that second prospect we got actually looks to be good too
Second prospect? Pineda is not a prospect. Take a look at his stats in 28 starts in the majors as a 22 year old and rethink that statement.
Rangers fan and Pineda a stud good deal for Yankees
Yeah I was a little shocked Campos was included in the deal too. Sickles had him ranked their 5th best prospect.
I will say this….Hector Noesi is going to be a very good pitcher for them too. I think he can be a solid #3 in that ballpark.
Yeah but Yanks robbed Seattle but as with all trades only time will tell
Only the Mariners ALSO gave up another top quality pitching prospect as well. Pineda for Montero straight across. That should have been all it takes. Bad deal for the Mariners. Yankees got their revenge looks like.
Don’t punt on Hector Noesi, he could very well out-pitch Michael Pineda’s numbers from last season this year.
Both of their fantasy values just took a pretty good hit.
wow! didnt see this one coming
Good trade for both sides, assuming Seattle is getting another couple pieces (likely not major ones). Straight up you’d have to call it a win for NY.
Now go Sign Fielder.
Yep…..glad I have Pineda in my keeper league.
He’s a 2 pitch righty moving to one of the premier LHB favoring parks in the toughest division in baseball. I’d sell high if I were you.
No offense, but not good for you. I guess if Wins is a category for you…
Wow.
Mariners win the trade. Next?
Huge news! interesting trade
Please don’t include Nova.
Yankees still suck!
Don’t really like this for the mariners. Just gotta see who else is changing teams.
wow…you need as much offense you can get be greatful
Not a Mariners fan. I just think they would have been better served trading Felix. Also, Montero is slightly overrated.
yeah,this trade will look good for both teams in a couple years when they both mature
It’s somewhat better with Noesi and Campos. Not a huge win for either team. Both fill a need and were expendable.
Actually, the trade looks far worse for the Mariners with Campos involved. Frontline ace potential.
Whoa, didn’t see that one coming.
Interesting trade for both teams! I’d say the Yankees got the higher ceiling in Pineda…
But the M’s are filling a need they won’t be able to through free agency. Their pitching is still pretty rock solid.
they have Felix and what???
Iwakuma and Vargas should both be solid.
Hultzen, Walker, and Paxton knocking on the door too.
you just called Vargas solid?? really?
insert semantics argument here
Vargas is the definition of solid. He’s a 2-3 WAR player for the past two years. How else would you define solid?
Iwakuma is solid? How much did his stock drop in one year again.
What is the scouting report on Pineda? I didn’t follow him at all last year…
This is a shock considering how high the Yankees had Montero.
Overrated by MLBTR readers apparently, but he is very good.
Mid-90s fastball, slider, changeup. Changeup is still a work in progress. Had flyball tendencies; I dunno how that’ll transfer going to Yankee Stadium.
Thanks guys. Is he suppose to project to be an ace? I’m guessing he would have to for the Yankees to trade Montero.
I guess Cash didn’t think he could fit Montero at DH with A-Rod, Jeter and Tex in the next few years.
He definitely has ace potential. Some injury concerns in the past, and he definitely showed signs of fatigue after the break.
Yeah, his FB rate has me concerned. He needs a third pitch.
very concerning split: 1.95 ERA v. bad teams, 5.42 v. good ones
having said that, he’s essentially a great prospect who already has MLB success under his belt. there’s plenty of room for him to develop
personally, i prefer montero. but this is hard deal to blame the yankees for making
I want to wait and see where campos will rank in the yankees system i dont love the trade but it was fair and ill miss montero though. If Pineda was a prospect he’d probably be a top ten prospect which makes it a little easier.
that’s the right view of it, a swap of elite prospects. yankees needed pitching, m’s needed hitting
campos is a high-ceiling guy which is what you always want to have, but he hasn’t seen high-A yet so he’s kind of a wildcard. pineda is the prize here. hopefully the yankees will treat him like a prospect and not expect him to come in and be a #2 in the AL East
I don’t know how I feel about this. Rotation looks good. But…baby Jesus 🙁
You have to give value to get it in return. They both come with their risks and upside.
Did not see that coming.
Damn i’m pissed they traded Montero, but I get it. Pineda is a great arm still under control for 5 more years. A lot will depend on the other players, since Montero for Pineda is fair straight up. Sad Montero won’t be mashing in New York though
Like the Yankees have to worry about how long they control Pineda. “Huh, he’s going to be a free agent? Here just give him a blank check and let him fill in the amount.”
Pitching wins, great move by Cashman. Pineda is under control for 5 years and Montero is a 1bmen.
Wow, when was the last time you saw a pre-arb deal like this? Monster deal. We’ll see how Pineda deals with Yankee Stadium, he might not be as effective as people think in the new park/division…
That AL-to-AL switch is a killer.
No but the safeco Bronx switch is.
division sorry… A lot tougher lineups in the AL East… Yankee Stadium increased LH HR production 36%…
How about the Angels and Rangers.
Check out Pineda’s road numbers last year as compared to Safeco.
And the fact that he has no changeup to speak of and has a history of arm issues…
Still not sure I’m that big on trading a potential Ace for a DH though.
Bad news for yankees, if they added in bans/bets and nunez, they might have been able to get Felix. What this does mean is that they’re probably going to go after fielder now…
Who is going after fielder, the yanks or ms. The yanks won’t do it.
Yankees would definitely do it. I promise you (unfortunately) the yankees will end up with fielder. Hal is too trigger happy to not go after someone, when they will probably hit 50 home runs per year in that stadium.
Depending on if fielder wants to full time dh. It’s his decision and not the Yankees. Fielders stock goes down if he is a dh. He has more value if he’s allowed to play 1b.
Pretty sure the Yanks would’ve done that if it were possible.
Wow. Hot stove just heated back up!
This is terrible for the m’s!!
Didn’t expect to see this.
wow wow wow, I am sad to see this deal go down, I was going to enjoy watching Pineda pitch against SD in ST. He has a pretty good arm haha.
Can I kill Cashman now?
Let me join you!
Hate to say it, Yankees won this big time.
An overrated prospect for an overrated pitcher. Good trade.
Coming from a Mariners fan, Pineda is not overrated. He’s still a little raw, but if he refines his change-up, he will be terrifying.
Can’t tell if it’s that good of a trade for either team. The Yankees basically traded a dh but he has the potential to be a great bat. And they got so far a one hit wonder going from an extreme pitchers park to a pretty good hitters park. Could be great for both teams could be a bust for both teams. Where does montero play
For the m’s catcher( hope not) first? Trade smoak?
3.26 FIP away from Safeco, I wouldn’t sweat it.
safeco isn’t even that beneficial for right-handed pitchers; it’s heaven for lefties. his 4.27 FIP/5.42 ERA against winning teams is the bigger concern
WOW
Pineda is a bit more proven than Montero and he doesnt have a true position. I’d hope that some petty decent pieces are coming Seattles way in addition.
Holy Cow, this is the best trade Cashman’s made! Nobody saw this one coming. Now the Yanks can move A-Rod to DH in the future.
That’s provided A-Rod can move in the future.
Physically, I mean.
Of course. The Yankees never wanted to part with Montero while discussing Gonzalez (better than Pineda) with Oakland. The A’s did get the better end of the Washington deal though…
Wasn’t Montero also involved in the Cliff Lee talks?
Id take Pineda over Gio any day of the week.. Gio will be just fir now that hes not oitching in Yellowstone Park
Gonzalez might appear like the better pitcher, but there’s NO WAY he has the upside of Pineda. Pineda will be a 1-2 pitcher in a year or 2 while Gonzalez will look like a 3.
Great,another future star gone to another already star studded team.Way to go Jack.Way to pull a bavasi.
im pretty sure u get a future star in montero. your team needs batting right now, why arent u happy?
This makes me feel better about the Jays inactivity this winter. Oh wait, no it doesn’t.
Ok now AL West pitching just got even weaker(Angels excluded of course).
Huh?
Angels are still the second best in the division…
behind who?
That one team thats won the AL Pennant the past two years.. Can’t remember their name
Angels have better pitching than that one team that choked in the WS two years in a row. Can’t remember their name
A little premature to say considering the season hasn’t started yet. For all we know, the Rangers staff could be just as good with Feliz and Darvish if they get him signed.
The Rangers should still be considered the favorite, unless of course you’re an Angel fan.
Wow, I don’t know if I’m more surprised by the trade itself or the fact that Heyman was right?
Seriously though, great trade for both sides. The Yankees already had more than enough offense and had a big need for (cheap) pitching, while the Mariners desperately needed offense, hopefully for the Mariners sake they got a couple other pieces from the Yankees.
I also hope this will push the Red Sox to give in and sign one of Oswalt or Kuroda for next year.
both are cause for a loud gasp
kinda sucks for montero, but it shouldn’t be too bad. he’s the rare hitter who prefers to hit the ball the other way, and it’s right-handed pull hitters that safeco kills
Yep, I think Montero will still put up really good numbers with Seattle (maybe not as good as he would have in NY, but still very good).
I’m surprised by all the comments on this board indicating this is good for Pineda. Moving from SafeCo to the Bronx Band Box is not a good move for any pitcher.
This. especially with his 36.3 groundball percentage last season.
I don’t know about this from the Mariners stand point… Yes, Montero is a beast, but I can’t help but wonder whether or not part of that was his lineup. He won’t have nearly the same amount of protection playing for Seattle AND Safeco ranked 26th in runs for ball park factors…. Yankees Stadium was 6th.
same arguement for pineda
No doubt about it. I really don’t like either players numbers moving to their future team.
Wow, great trade for the Yanks. Proven Pineda for possible power in Montero
I’ll laugh when the other players involved is a bad contract swap of Burnett and Figgins
hahaha imagine that? it could be possible u knw. youre not that off. good one man
I don’t know how I feel about this trade. Pineda is a young power arm and Jesus is well “baby Jesus”. I was looking forward to seeing Jesus in the Bronx, but I will settle with Pineda winning 12 Cy Youngs lmao
Hell of a Friday the 13th, seeing our future DH for a guy who we don’t really need, per se. Good job ruining the year-old dreams of a large part of the Yankees fan base
You needed starting pitching help pretty badly. Now you likely won’t have to waste money on EJax and you now have a long term number two starter. DH’s are replaceable. You’ll likely need it for ARod the next 7 years any way.
I think I’d rather wait a year for guys like Phelps, Warren, Banuelos and Betances and Campos isn’t close to the majors as guys like Stoneburner and pals. It’s not that I hate the trade or that it’s unfair, it’s just extremely upsetting to have a prospect you follow for three years traded, on Friday the 13th too.
Plus, I still have a grudge over Zduriencik for shopping our offer for Lee. Look at the Cubs and Red Sox. They disagree about minor details, they sort it later. What’s so wrong about taking a PTBNL or two instead of Nunez?
there is still more players involved i wonder who
The names are up there.
Great move for the Yankees, Pineda is a stud.
Maybe M’s will try to sign Kuroda now
Curious to see the other names involved, but if everything else is even, great deal by the Yanks. Not necessarily a bad deal by the Mariners, as they need offense, but I would have rather have stuck with Pineda another year and let him try to raise his value even more.
I don’t think Jack Z has a clue. This is a bad trade.
Wow Seattle was TR’d.
so im guessing pineda slots into either the #2 or #3 spot behind or in front of nova, as a yankee fan, it’s sad to see montero go but the yankees need pitching, and getting a pitcher with such high ceiling in pineda, it makes me even more excited than when the yanks only had montero and no good pitcher after cc. hope he does good in ny, he has the potential, and as for montero, good luck as well.
Haven’t seen this attributed, but many Twitterers are now saying the deal was Montero and Coesi for PIneda and Campos. Take it with a grain of salt until it gets sourced, though.
hector noesi? i dont know much about the mariners system so how is campos viewed as in seattle? as for noesi, he’s been pitching pretty good as of late, possibly emerging as one of the top young players for the yanks system as soon as next year.
Wow, completely unexpected. I’m really eager to see who else is in the deal.
Wouldn’t be surprised if this ends up being a lose-lose trade: Montero now gets absorbed by Safeco, and Pineda gets rocked by Yankee Stadium.
Pineda is a strike out pitcher, Yankees won this BIG time for a DH. Pineda is gonna be incredible for years to come and cheap.
Also a fly ball pitcher. Not the greatest in Yankee Stadium
Pretty much my thoughts.
Those were my exact thoughts! I wouldn’t be surprised to see both players value decline.
This trade is only lose-lose for the players’ statistics. Just because you’re in a park that makes your stats look worse doesn’t mean you’re not just as valuable to your team.
The Yankees need pitching. The Mariners need offense. This is more likely to be win-win than lose-lose.
Bingo
safeco kills right-handed pull hitters, but montero is an opposite-field guy
pineda, on the other hand, will suffer the wrath of the right-field porch
edwin jackson’s price jst dropped a little bit more
If the Yanks sign Fielder now I’m gonna be sick.
Wow, Hector Noesi, really? Montero can’t stick behind the plate, Mariners lose this one…
Noesi is going to surprise you sir.
Hmm, you’re probably right. My disappointment with Noesi isn’t really about Noesi himself, but I was hoping that the extra players in the trade would help balance it out a little. In my opinion Pineda should have drawn a better return than just Montero and Noesi would have certainly helped but he was pretty much canceled out by the inclusion of Campos, who has similar value.
Pineda better be the second coming of Andy Petitte or something because Montero RAKES and was such a joy to behold in Yankee pinstripes.
Wow!:( Pineda us gone
This is…omg this just greatly upsets me…
I was looking forward to a great career from Montero in the Bronx…
This…I was looking forward to him for the longest time and now this!!! WTH! They could have done something else like Oswalt for 1 YEAR! and let the whole Banuelos/Betances combo another year to improve… who knows if Pineda can keep up what he did in Seattle…if anything he is overrated to me. A FAIR trade to me would have been Felix for Montero. Not Pineda!
HAHAHAAHHAHA Felix for Montero is fair? Seriously? Another Yankees fan overrating their prospects.
I know you’re a Yankees fan, but c’mon Montero for Felix, seriously?
Lol I actually wasn’t serious about a Felix – Montero swap. I just highly coveted Montero a lot and hate to see him in a new uniform. Felix is absolutely untouchable just as Montero should have been.
Yes positionless hitters typically become stars.
Like it or dislike it, the DH is a position. Ever hear of Edgar Martinez or David Ortiz?
i like how teams throw in random players into the deal like Jose Campos
I wouldn’t call the #4 pitcher in the Mariners’ system random… especially considering the 3 that are ahead of him
Random? Their 5th best prospect (according to Sickels)?
I know I sound like a broken record but Cashman was always high on Noesi.
I’m a Seattle fan who wanted Michael Pineda traded (possibly at peak value) for a hitter this offseason.
The inclusion of Jose Campos for Hector Noesi is more troubling for me.
Jesus Montero was strictly a DH with some power and Pineda was a stud pitcher…stupid stupid move M’s…
Pineda AND Campos? The Yankees won this one.
Yankees are in full-on cheap mode to try to get under the luxury cap in 2014. Which is cool for the rest of baseball.
No it ain’t, because then they don’t get the Yankees money lol
Pineda is a great pitcher but he comes along with some injury history. The Mariners have DEEP talent when it comes to young pitching and they just added their new ace from Japan. Montero is VERY young but has raked at every level he has been at. Im interested in seeing who else is comming with Montero.
Um.. Look above you. That’s who’s coming.
Wow … now I am sad … I always wanted to see Montero as a Yankee!! Now Seattle will have the Got Jesus shirts 🙁
Everyone is talking about Fielder, how about Johnny Damon on a 1 year to DH, sounds good to me. He’s perfect for Yankee Stadium.
Bingo. You read my mind.
Getting Campos too makes this a win for the Yankees, although not necessarily a bad trade for the M’s.
Yaks Win this One bigtime. Dh for Frontline Starter wow. I Knete they would Cash in on montero. Hes got no Position at all
Nice piece to add to are rotation.
Woahhhhhhhhhhhhh, crazy deal.
I feel like this means the M’s aren’t going after Fielder for sure. I hope this means they’re feeling Paxton is ready. I feel even with Montero’s poor defense I feel he’ll be more comfortable as a backstop then as a DH.
Pineda really is the boost NY needs, this makes them a lot scarier, great deal on both ends.
I’m bored as hell i want more headlines like this one
With the Yankees freeing up space in the DH spot, who will take his position? I’m curious if the Yanks are going to go big for bat. Maybe Fielder is a longshot but what about Cespedes? They could put Swisher in the DH spot. omg no one knows whats gonna happen!!!! people help me out here, who do u think the yanks will get to dh?
the yanks could get any batter that’s an outfielder, a first baseman, or a third baseman for dh.
I think they’re gonna get Prince by tuesday.
imagine that
Jack Z is still the “best” mariner fans? Adding Compos really made sure Mariners lost this trade.
Yeah, I think the honeymoon period for Jack Z. is officially over.
As a M’s fan, I’m excited to get Montero, hope he can bring the great power even in Safeco. With Hultzen, Paxton and Walker on the way, we could manage to reallocate our assets.
I didn’t see this coming AT ALL! I thought the mariners were loaded with catching prospects?! If Pineda turns out to be the stud many think he will be, I love this move for the Yankees! Yankees can buy hitters whenever they want, getting young dominant pitching is tough to do.
Are you kidding? The farm is absolutely barren of catchers for us.
And Campos is at least a top 5 prospect for the Mariners, dont understand this trade. Yankees made out BIG time.
Yeah, I’m just reading this too, that Campos was actually rated pretty highly. Never heard of him.
Trade doesnt make sense, if the M’s give up Pineda the Yankees should be throwing extra prospects in.
Highway robbery for the Yankees IMO. Pineda has ace stuff and has already had a pretty good season. I can see why Mariners made the trade as they have loads of pitching upcoming and hitters like Montero are pretty damn hard to acquire but nonetheless, he is a DH and I just don’t see the value in giving a potential ace for a DH. Campos is a pretty good prospect too. I guess this means Mariners are out of Fielder sweepstakes?
As a Jays fans, it sucks we’re going to have to face Pineda.
In two starts against the jays he gave up 4 homers and an era of 5, don’t worry. He also did terrible in his only start against the red sox, and was fine against the rays and orioles
Pineda is no ace, especially in that stadium.
I said he is a potential stadium and a great pitcher can pitch anywhere.
Pineda also gave more homeruns at home which is considered a pitchers park. Maybe Yankees stadium does hurt him a bit but I think people overstate the whole ballpark affects on a pitcher. If anything, facing AL East will hurt him more but he has great stuff, he is young and could be a cost controlled ace for the Yankees for years to come.
most prospects of his caliber spend their age 22 seasons in AA. if they put up his 2011 numbers in AAA, people are thrilled. pineda did in the bigs. that counts
there are legitimate concerns for him. if he cannot develop his changeup, i don’t think he can ever be more than a mid-rotation guy. good lineups absolutely ate him up last year
but he’s about to turn 23. analysis of his 2011 is great, but he’s by no means a finished product
Can’t say I disagree but he’s had a full season and it’s safe to say, we both think he was fantastic. There are always concerns with pretty much every player but Pineda showed that potential to be a great pitcher. He will most likely always be a 2 pitch pitcher and even with that, he can get by being a good #2/3 pitcher but if he can develop that change to be just average, he could be an ace and he is pretty young to think he could develop it. Definitely not a finished product but I love the upside and he is a good pitcher already with a high K rate and low walk rate which is something you rarely ever see with a pitcher in his rookie season.
I could also argue there are more concerns with Montero since he hasn’t had a full season to show you what he’s really got. He could be a great hitter or he could end up struggling. Every young player is a risk but I like the risk Yankees took because they filled a need, and sold high on Montero (thanks to his September call-up). They got a high upside prospect in return as well.
It also makes me wonder why Seattle didn’t take the Montero package for Lee.
How else were they going to get Smoak and Montero? They had to reject Cashman for Lee.
EDIT — seriously disqus?
Failx2
This trade shouldn’t of needed Campos if this is really true it would be a definite overpay on the Mariners side, should’ve been Montero + two prospects from the Yankees
I was starting to love the M’s rotation with Hultzen on the way. They just went backwards.
The yanks gave up montero and neosi for pineda and campos ?????????????????????? the yanks got robbed.
Jesus, i go to walk my dog for 20 minutes and THIS happens? weak!
Back to the subject, wow this a surprise, seems like a good trade for the yankees, i don’t know much about hector noesi though to really judge
This kinda makes a lot of sense for the Yankees. Jeter and A-Rod both need to spend a lot of time in the DH spot this year with them both being up there in age.
Do you know the best part about this deal? This hopefully puts an end to the Felix Hernandez to the Yankees rumors.
WooHoo!
Holy crap! Incredible deal for NYY.
Bad trade for the yanks!!
the yankees gave up too much. Neosi and montero for pineda and campos who is in A ball
i dont like this deal. They could have packaged them for something better. pineda could be a bust this year. I dont Like this
Pineda’s K/9 9.91 and bb/9 2.89 is better than Latos and Gio with more control, this is a great move by Cashman. Next year they can still go after Cain, Hamels, or Greinke.
I just don’t get how the Mariners thought this was a good idea. They basically sold low on a guy who could’ve brought back more than either Latos or Gio only a year from now. Terrible trade for Seattle.
If Austin Romine can be a good catching prospect,then the Yankees had the upper hand in this trade.
7 ER in 4.1 Career innings against the Red Sox…Welcome to the East Pineda…fml…
I should just go cheer on the Rockies…
holy SSS, batman!
Behind the team they finished second to last season.
And a RH DH moving from the Bronx to Safeco is no risk?
I will say this…..
Pineda, Nova, Hughes, Banuelos, Betances, possibly Joba and some long shots with Warren, Phelps and Mitchell at AAA again means the Yanks might have a really good, young and cheap rotation in the next year or two.
This is not it though. There has got to be another shoe yet to fall with CC, Pineda, Nova, Hughes, Garcia and Burnett in the rotation. I can’t see Cashman sticking Hughes in the bullpen since we already have Mo, Soriano, Robertson and Logan there. That would be a waste as he would basically be the long man.
I really hope we could deal Olivo and at least give some innings for Jesus at catcher.
This is pretty huge. I like to see big deals. And there is now way in hell we can judge this deal right away. It could be 5 years before we know.
I think the biggest winner in this is Hector Noesi. He gets out of the AL East and the Yankee launchpad and into the caverns of Safeco. Biggest losers are Montero and Pineda for the opposite reason. As for the teams… looks good for both.
pineda might lose some numbers, but he could gain a ring, not gonna get that on the m’s
The fact that anyone would call this a bad deal for the Yankees amuses me. Tremendous deal for the Yankees. Do you have any idea how much having no defensive value hurts a player? Even if Montero hits like you think he will (no sure thing) hes just not that valuable. Pineda is TORP.
Yankees just got 5 years of cost controlled power in the rotation. Add to that Banuelos, Nova and potentially Betances, signing Cain 1 year from now. Ruh row. You can bet your chickens, AJ, Garcia, Hughes are all gone next year.
In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if one is moved by the end of the weekend. You can’t send any of them down to the minors and none (other than Hughes) is bullpen material. Mark it, one is gone in the next 3 days.
If Montero can provide you with 30 hrs and a .350 OBP then that has tons of value, even if he’s a DH. People are acting as if being a DH somehow mitigates his offensive productions. I’m sure the M’s won’t care where their offense comes from.
All the same, could be a good deal for both. On paper, I like the logic the Yanks used. We’ll see.
It’s not that he has no value, it’s that it’s just not as much as it should be. Pineda still can be an ace, and those guys aren’t easy to come by. I just think they could’ve gotten more for him. So on paper, appears the Yankees got the better hand here. So much for the Yankees never dealing with the Mariner’s huh? I still see it as a huge risk for both sides though, but it’s a risk worth taking for both of them.
Johnny Damon isn’t good anymore.
Based on what exactly?
what an awful trade by the Mariners…Yankees not only got a #2 starter in Michaael Pineda…but also a very good prospect in Jose Campos- RHP who throws gas
The closest thing the Yankees had to a DH last year was Jorge Posada. I don’t know what you’re talking about.
Yankees had to trade Montero at some point. ARod is breaking down and will be the DH very soon and they cannot move Texeria and his ciontract not to mention Montero does not seem to be a MLB catcher. He had no where to play so the Yankees did very well by him and themselves. He’ll get a chance to play everyday and the Yanks get a very cheap young pitcher with huge upside. Like any trade only time will tell.
The real part that will hurt for us is giving up Campos. He’s great, young and extremely raw that could be a great starter in the future. Sickles rated him the # 5 prospect in Seattle’s system.
The Yankees did. Noesi doesn’t have the ceiling, but he’s much closer and safer. Campos is extremely raw and odds are he will flame out. He has top of the rotation ability, but the volatility in pitching is what it is.
supposedly Yanks signed Kuroda as well according to Jack Curry
I can see this trade being good for Jesus Montero and Hector Noesi—each gets to be a starter for a Mariners club now, while Russell Martin is firmly entrenched as the catcher for the Yankees, even if they are sacrificing offense at that position.
I say the Yankees won this trade big time. Pineda is a very, very awesome pitcher with a super nasty slider and a huge K rate, but he doesn’t get many groundballs and that might translate to more home runs in the smaller confines of Yankee Stadium, but he’s young and can adjust.
Montero is a great young power prospect and the bat might play well in the spacious Safeco Field, but he likely won’t stay behind the plate and I don’t see a DH providing the same value as a pitcher as talented as Pineda unless he hits like Frank Thomas, and he’s no Frank Thomas.
Additionally, Campos > Noesi, so advantage Yankees. BUT, if any or all of James Paxton, Taijuan Walker and Danny Hultzen pan out in some way or another, I can see this trade working out for Seattle. Even then, for a team that plays in a pitchers park in a top heavy division, I wouldn’t be so swift to trade from such an appreciable position of strength to maybe be a third place team behind Anaheim.
How do you know he is no Frank Thomas explain please.
I need to explain to you why he isn’t going to be Frank Thomas? No one is going to be Frank Thomas.
great logic there buddy
They were born on different days, have different names, different parents, different DNA, and are completely different people. Oh, and one of them has proven they are Frank Thomas and one hasn’t done squat yet. Besides that, he’s Frank Thomas.
The only way we will truly ever know if this trade was fair or not is how the players traded perform on the field. This certainly opens up the DH role for the Yanks if they want Fielder and we know they can afford him. Im sure Chavez and AROD could also split time DHing if they dont sign Fielder but Fielder and Mark *Tex* could also share time at first…who knows. Interesting trade if nothing else…something to talk about , something new at least besides the daily Theo Epstein discussing the Cubs, the LA Dodgers ownership and the Red Sox need for pitching news..Nothing like fresh news , a trade ! 🙂
The fact that NYY got a potential-ace of the future in Pineda, paid less than Latos, and didn’t trade Betances or Banuelos is a win. I wonder what SDG and WSH think about this deal…
You should acquaint yourself with Gary Sanchez, since ‘Gaby’ Sanchez played for the Marlins. Also, Sanchez will very likely move off the position. Romine isn’t a real catcher imo, but Montero wasn’t either.
sanchez is supposedly a good defensive catcher
It’s the other two players, Noesi and Campos, that make the trade more interesting. On the whole, it makes sense for both teams. If Montero goes .280, 25 and 90 and Pineda matches his qualitative numbers from last year, both teams will make out well. Noesi puts an upside for Seattle. Campos is very young. It fits with the rest of the Yankee narrative-which is that they don’t want to spring for 10Million+for an established starter (or whatever Boras is holding out for Jackson) I guess we will see.
Well, my bad, they are apparently signing Kuroda as well, which makes this a little odd.
Incredible deal for the Yankees.
Makes me a little sad, but all the credit to Cashman here…
Yes trading a future DH for a young starter is a steal. M’s fans must be ticked off knowing all they goit is a DH and a relief pitcher for one of the better young starters in the AL.
I am a Yankees fan, and I still can’t believe this trade is happening (or could happen). Guess that’s this Friday the 13th’s strange happening.
I like Montero, but he really is a DH. If Pineda is as good as advertised, then I say the Yankees won out this deal.
How does this sound, 4-6 with a 4.40 ERA away from Safeco, 2-1 with a 4.67 ERA against AL East opponents (minus the Yankees), 1-4 with a 5.12 ERA after the All-Star Break, and has never pitched in Yankee Stadium yet.
How effective does Pineda look now? Yankees fans getting nervous now?
Cashman is a genius, this is the best move the Yanks have made in 5 years. How do you like me now?
Go look at his runners on/RISP numbers. If he is front line and oh so amazing he would not have a .250 opponent batting average with runners on! If he is as “dominant” as people say he is he would have it down around maybe .220 at the minimum.
how can u start throwing in stats after just 28 starts? when players are 22, they usually look more into minor league stats and scouting reports than just those 1st year stats. just shut up uve got no idea what ure saying
The kid was a 22 year old rookie. Sounds like somebody is upset.
I don’t
Then again he is a 22 year old power pitcher who has already proven he can be dominant. Feel kind of sad Montero is leaving with that monster bat , however, I think both teams did solid in this trade to satisfy their needs.
Uhhh… no.
My initial reaction as a Yankee fan was anger at this deal, and i always go with my gut reaction. With that said the deal at second, third, and fourth glance does seem to be in favor of the Yanks (if there is a winner)……I forget which analyst it was that said “A good trade is when neither side is fully satisfied”. That seems to be what we have here…
Jack Z is a terrible GM. He had the opportunity already to obtain Montero and he blew it. He would’ve had both Pineda and Montero this year instead of a lame duck Smoak. He got fleeced in this deal. Noesi is a worse prospect that Campos, for christ sakes! How is Montero, who will probably be a career DH and hasn’t proven himself at the ML level, worth Pineda who has already proven he’s at least a solid #2 in any rotation?
Jack Z has some questions to answer. He is being proven as a fraud.
If Z was smart he would have Pineda, Morrow, Fister, and Banuelos headlining the rotation next year and also have Montero on the team. Instead he still has King Felix (who is certainly awesome), but they are not going to win with him on this team.
They could have had Banuelos and Montero for Felix. I should have clarified.
Banuelos and Montero alone aren’t worth Felix, especially when it was reported that we could have had at least 3 of Montero, Banuelos & Betances.
They just improved their chances considerably. Admittedly, at a pretty big cost giving up Pineda and Campos, who I was very excited about. However, needs were addressed for both teams and that’s the big picture.
If improved means they go from a 76 win team to a 77 win team, then yes they did. I have trouble seeing Montero being that much better than Pineda and I there is no doubt that Noesi is worse.
Apparently you’re not aware of how desperately the Mariners needed offense to be saying something like that.
Apparently, you are not aware of how wins are accumulated in baseball. Also to project Montero as some sort of offensive superstar in 2012 is a bit silly. The Pujols type breakouts are pretty rare. I think you should be tempering your projections. Hosmer’s 2011 is probably the best case scenario for 2012. He was worth 1.6 Wins (fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3516&posit…).
That would be a good situation, but “best case scenario?” LOL, no. Many people seem to think otherwise if you look at his projections on fangraphs.
Smoak was playing hurt half the year, but looked solid as hell before the injury and after he came off the DL. I’m not worried about him at all.
Not to mention the death of his Father in April or May? Personally, I think Montero’s arrival will take the pressure off of Smoak. I know a lot of M’s fans want wins right now and even more want Jack Z’s head but this ball team is shaping up nicely.
“Blockbuster?” Hardly.
“Blockbuster of young stars”…..Definitely
First???
As a Jays fan this is a significant blow. What kind of dimwitted GM trades an elite pitching prospect who’s 6’7 and 22 for a DH in today’s baseball? I’m not suggesting Montero isn’t a big time bat but that’s never a good trade.
Wow, Dumb trade. Pineda will be very good and worth more than montero in my opinion. Plus, i liked Pineda!!!!!!!! WTH YANKEES. always do that to me.
Pineda’s ERA will consistently be in the 4’s/high 3’s range with the Yankees. Don’t forget how much of a pitchers park Safeco is.
And Montero’s numbers may drop a bit too. He went from a possible 30/100 guy to a 20/80 guy.
I am an Angels fan and I know as of now the Rangers are the team to beat as they won last year. But as far as pitching staffs go I think the Angels are better even if they get Darvish cause he is yet to be proven in the mlb.
Mariners…got…HOSED!!!!!!!! They could have easily gotten Betances or Banuelos along with Montero
That’s interesting, I didn’t know you were one of the integral decision makers of this transaction.
lighten up francis I was just voicing my opinion
I have an emotional attachment to this batch of prospects, but the more I think about it, the more I like it for the Yankees.
That being said, I’ll still follow Montero’s career and wish him the best. He’s going to be an awesome bat, no doubt in my mind.
Justin Smoak and Jesus Montero’s careers were already linked together thanks to the Cliff Lee trade, or almost trade… wonder how this will impact that.
Not feeling this deal for the Yankees . I don’t think Pineda was worth giving up Montero AND Noesi. I don’t know much about the other Mariners prospect in the deal which tells me he must not be anything special which furthers my feelings of displeasure with this trade .
Let me cheer you up then. The other Mariners prospect, Jose Campos, is apparently a fireballer. He throws absolute gas. He’s only in A ball, but the M’s were very high on him.
Honestly, I was more irritated with Jose Campos being traded than I was with Pineda. That’s not to say Pineda isn’t a decent pitcher; I just felt Pineda/Montero straight up was a more fair deal. I think the deal will prove great for both sides in the long run.
I feel the Nats could have gotten Pineda for less than Gio. and Pineda may be better option.
Any opinion?
agree. Pineda is probably better and controlled for longer. Montero is VERY good, but the package that the Nats gave up is better.
Pineda’s K/9 9.11 and bb/9 2.89 is better than Gio and Latos, and he is under control for 5 years at a low salary.
I used to defend Z but after this trade he needs to be fired along with Chuck Armstrong and Howard Lincoln. Felix should have been the one traded were in a rebuild and you trade away a young pitcher you control for the next 5 seasons? ROFL such a Mariner thing to do.
Yanks will sign Damon now.
Swisher DHs with a Gardner-Cespedes-Granderson Outfield.
Here is how it went down (my guess)
1.Yankees call asking about Felix
2.Mariners say they would have to be blown away.
3.Yankees offer package similar to package offered for lee, agaian montero headlines it.
4.Mariners decline
4a.Mariners say they are still interested in aquiring Montero
5.Yankees offer Montero for Pineda
6.Yankees/Mariners agree in principle to deal
7.a prospect is added to each side
8.Comm. Office aproves
9.Story published
safe to assume right?
(only thing i would change is which team was interested in aquiring who)
More like:
1. Mariners talk to Fielder
2. Fielder says no to Seattle
3. Seattle goes to plan B
4. Jack Z calls NY dangling Pineda for Montero and back end starter
5. NY only OK’s the move if they receive a top 10 prospect for said starter
6. Seattle throws in a prospect from one of their strengths- young starting pitching
7. Michael Pineda’s Dad is so excited about his son going to the Bronx he tells his entire neighborhood
8. One of Pineda’s neighbors phones a columnist in Boca Raton, FL telling them Pineda’s Dad’s information
9. Columnist in Boca Raton verifies the information then tweets
10. Story published
Noesi is a luxury they Yankees don’t need now that they are likely moving Hughes and Nova to the pen. It will be interesting to see if they try to move Burnett for pennies (like REAL pennies) on the dollar.
Absolutely 0 chance Nova goes to the pen at the start of the year at least.
I can’t see Ivan Nova moving to the bullpen.
This is the rotation I see next season:
Sabathia
Nova
Garcia
Hughes or Pineda
Pineda or Kuroda
A.J. Burnett’s time in pinstripes is probably finished; it’s really a question of how much salary the Yankees will eat as I see it.
CC, Kuroda, Pineda, Nova, and Hughes, with Garcia long man.
I agree with all of you that Nova is better than Garcia and Burnett, but I just think that you let them work out in April and May. Garcia probably doesnt last (injury or ineffectiveness) and Burnett probably also doesnt (ineffectiveness). Nova will definitely have a spot by the end and depending on Hughes stuff, he might too (or we will be read to move to Banuelos or Betances).
I would think Burnett is worth 5 million a year. The Yanks might be able to move him, he still has great stuff.
His stuff has diminished (Velo, movement, etc.). I hope you are right though that we could get something. $5M doesnt seem unreasonable.
His stuff has diminished (Velo, movement, etc.). I hope you are right though that we could get something. $5M doesnt seem unreasonable.
Ackley and Montero are gonna be fun to watch down the road. I’m excited.
Don’t forget Smoak- he is going to thrive now that there’s less pressure on him.
oh and one more thing…. As good as Felix is (awesome is the word), Pineda is more VALUABLE as a trade chip. I dont understand Z. He is clearly lost.
Pineda is NOT more valuable as a trade chip than Felix Hernandez. That’s crazy talk. It was stated that the Yankees were willing to give up Montero, Betances, Banuelos and more for Felix, but the Mariners wouldn’t budge and opted instead to trade Pineda. Felix is a proven ace who has the ability to pitch great in any stadium against any team. Pineda is a two-pitch pitcher who will only ever be in that discussion if his changeup ever develops.
Your wrong. Felix isnt cheap anymore. Now the Yankees can go sign Cain, Hamels, or Greinke next offseason for $18M per (cost of Felix) AND have Pineda. Felix is awesome, but replaceable by a team like the Yankees.
You’re crazy if you think Felix’s cost makes him less valuable than Pineda. Every team knew what his current cost would be when they were (unsuccessfully) attempting to trade for him last year. You can’t honestly think some team intended to flip him at the deadline or the offseason if they ever acquired him. If Felix was traded right now, the Mariners wouldn’t eat any of his salary and would land considerably more than what they got for Pineda.
What are you talking about flipping Felix? I agree that was never going to happen. Also, just because Seattle wouldn’t need to eat his salary doesnt mean that he is more valuable than Pineda. Felix is still below value, but 6 years of Pineda on the current contract can save a team $40M by the time it is done (that could be spend on other players). Felix is going to save teams maybe $9M over the remainder of his contract.
The first two years of Felix’s contract were extremely team-friendly. Any team that would have potentially traded for him would have had it in mind that his contract increases considerably, and you made it sound as though Pineda was more valuable than Felix because of Felix’s contract when the Yankees were dangling Montero, Betances, Banuelos + more at the Mariners for Felix, and the Mariners still wouldn’t do it. On the contrary to your theory, the Mariners acquired Montero for Pineda, which obviously makes Pineda a less valuable trade chip than Felix would have potentially been, because Felix is a true ace and a proven commodity despite his contract. Pineda isn’t anything more than a 3 without a good changeup, yet you make it sound like he is by saying he’s more valuable than Felix, which is absolutely ridiculous.
I am lost as to what you are talking about. You seem to think that teams dont have budgets. In a vaccum Felix is CLEARLY better than Pineda. But when taking into consideration that teams cannot accumulate a roster of 25 guys worth $20M a piece, Pineda is more valuable than Felix. It is not a debate it is a fact. I dont understand why you cannot comprehend the concept of value.
I’m not saying that. I’m saying that Felix, as a trade chip, is much more valuable than Pineda as a trade chip, as evidenced by Cashman’s willingness to deal Montero, Banuelos & Betances + more for him. I always said it would be more likely that Pineda was traded than Felix.
The first two years of Felix’s contract were extremely team-friendly. Any team that would have potentially traded for him would have had it in mind that his contract increases considerably, and you made it sound as though Pineda was more valuable than Felix because of Felix’s contract when the Yankees were dangling Montero, Betances, Banuelos + more at the Mariners for Felix, and the Mariners still wouldn’t do it. On the contrary to your theory, the Mariners acquired Montero for Pineda, which obviously makes Pineda a less valuable trade chip than Felix would have potentially been, because Felix is a true ace and a proven commodity despite his contract. Pineda isn’t anything more than a 3 without a good changeup, yet you make it sound like he is by saying he’s more valuable than Felix, which is absolutely ridiculous.
Awesome deal. I’d love to see a Hideki Matsui/Johnny Damon return for the DH.
Wonder if I should be worried about Pineda struggling in the 2nd half last year. Not to mention his sub par road stats.
At 22, no. That seems normal to me for a 1st year starting pitcher.
2nd half shouldn’t be an issue. Dont think he pitched 171 innings in the minors. He’ll recover from that.
Road splits may be an issue. The M’s play in a pitchers ball park, and at Yankee stadium almost everything goes over the fence.
Felix, Taijuan Walker, Hultzen, Paxton, Ackley, Montero, Smoak, Nick Franklin, Carp… In GMZ We Trust!
Prince Fielder to the Bombers?
About as much chance as Edwin Jackson to, oh say the Angels.
Mariners have 4 catchers now: Jaso, Montero, Gimenez, Olivo
Montero won’t be a catcher
Oh lord, when Felix leaves, their rotation won’t be good. What the hell, Jack?
why are we assuming that Felix won’t be signing an extension
Exactly. Felix has stated his desire to stay with the Seattle Mariners well beyond the end of his current contract, at least “5 years more.” There’s really not a lot of basis to automatically assume he won’t sign an extension.
When the Felix Hernandez contract expires at the end of the 2014 season, the Mariners could still have Danny Hultzen, James Paxton, Taijuan Walker, Blake Beaven and Esrasmo Ramirez (plus any pitcher the M’s addd in the interim).
The Mariners traded from a position of organizational depth.
But why not also keep Pineda in that rotation??? They should have traded Felix so that by 2015 they actually had a team that can compete.
Keep in mind, Pineda, like Nova is coming off just one good year, and Kuroda has only pitched in the NL West. But a big improvement nonetheless.
Either way, it means that A.J. Burnett’s time in pinstripes is over unless he has an excellent spring training.
Yes, the demotion of Burnett from 3rd starter to potentially no longer on the team is the big +
Ok guys, don’t forget the second piece of the trade, the pitcher the yankees are sending over. We have seen plenty of average pitchers pitch pretty well in Safeco ie: Jason Vargas, Jarrod Washburn, Doug Fister.
He could fill in for Pineda nicely, if he can manage a 4.20 ERA (OR LOWER!)
Noesi is a solid pitcher, you wont be disappointed by him. Hes no ace, but i can see him as a definite 3-5 starter. He can definitely manage a 4.20 ERA in Safeco. You guys got yourself a nice pitcher, the kids been tearing it up in the Dominican. T
If i were an m’s fan this would be the point were i realized the next ten years is gonna suck.
Irrational and completely baseless.
No not really. Your team bias seems to be blurring your common sense. You simply cant expect to contend in that division if you trade away young cheap, high end pitching for a slightly above average position player prospects with no real position. Jack z clearly doesn’t get it, despite having a clear example with tampa that the only way you can build a team to contend within high payrolls, is to draft and develop “high end, cost controllable pitching”
When you have young, cheap & high end pitching coming in on the way in Danny Hultzen, James Paxton & Taijuan Walker and any potential talent we could acquire in the draft/free agency, it is okay to deal from a surplus in order to address a need, and that’s what this trade did. I don’t love the deal, nor do I hate. Pineda is nothing more than a 3 if he never develops a changeup, and in bandbox Yankee stadium, he’ll get hammered. Montero, on the other hand, has opposite field power and could drastically improve the Mariners’ anemic offense. It’s not the end of the world. Plus, I seriously question why you compared the Mariners to the Rays. Rays 2011 payroll: 44,969,740, Mariners: 98,067,684.
So you justify trading a young stud pitcher for a prospect because you figure you can surely just aquire more talent in the draft? Or that your unproven pitching prospects who’ve never thrown a pitch in the bigs have potential? You got a lot to learn about baseball kid. Oh, and the mariners may have a higher payroll than the rays, but they aren’t yet in the same zip code as what L.A. and texas can spend. Remove your bias and you can start to see this team is on a long term goal of mediocrity
“So you justify trading a young stud pitcher for a prospect because you figure you can surely just acquire more talent in the draft?”
No, that was just one of the many reasons I listed. Funny how you focus solely on that and ignore the rest of what I said. The Mariners dealt from a surplus to continue to build towards a serviceable offense, something they have been lacking for years. Jesus Montero, a hitter with monster upside and power potential, compliments the hitters we’ve already got in place in Ackley, Smoak & Carp.
“Or that your unproven pitching prospects who’ve never thrown a pitch in the bigs have potential?”
Before knocking my baseball knowledge, you probably should have done your research; Pineda is far from “established.” He’s a two-pitch pitcher, albeit both of those pitches are nasty and could solidify him as a 3 for years to come, the fact of the matter is that he’s not going to turn into a true 1 or 2 starter unless he ever develops a decent changeup. Admittedly, he’s further along than Montero, but if you’ve seen the Mariners’ anemic offense, you’d realize that he’s well worth gambling on. Additionally, you have to take into account that Pineda will go from pitching half of his starts in one of the most pitching-friendly environments to bandbox Yankee Stadium, where popups sail out of.
I can’t refute your claim that none of Danny Hultzen, James Paxton or Taijuan Walker have thrown a pitch in the bigs, but I think it’s equally unfair that you assume they become busts/fail in the majors. In any case, pitching in Safeco isn’t going to hurt.
I question your knowledge because you flat out dismissed my opinion that seattle is heading in the wrong direction, which is based on not only this lopsided trade, but many of the transactions since jack took over as gm. As a brewer fan i would have loved to see jack succeed, but its just not gonna happen. The mans got two years, tops, maybe less.
I also find it amusing how you use the safeco card as your main stud, but completly ignore the fact that last year pineda’s fip was lower and he gave up fewer hr per flyball AWAY from safeco!
All I’m saying is his 44.8% flyball % is definitely not going to help him in Yankee Stadium.
I question your knowledge because you flat out dismissed my opinion that seattle is heading in the wrong direction, which is based on not only this lopsided trade, but many of the transactions since jack took over as gm. As a brewer fan i would have loved to see jack succeed, but its just not gonna happen. The mans got two years, tops, maybe less.
I also find it amusing how you use the safeco card as your main stud, but completly ignore the fact that last year pineda’s fip was lower and he gave up fewer hr per flyball AWAY from safeco!
Wow. I thought it would have taken a lot more to get Pineda. Yank’s rotay just got pretty good.
Maybe the bat will be worth it but in my mind the Yankees once again pulled the wool over the eyes of another club that shot itself in the foot. I would like to think that Pineda isn’t as good as he looked last year but he was just dominant in the games I watched.
I would have been fine with a Pineda, Montero swap; but i don’t know why the Mariners had to add in Campos. I think the Mariners got screwed there. A 19 year old pitcher for a 24 year old pitcher that posted a 4.47 era and a 1.51 whip. That’s pretty bad. Does anyone know anything about Noesi to change my opinion, because from there he seems like trash.
what a terrible deal for the Mariners. The A’s pull a haul for Cahil, the Pads do the same for Latos, and the M’s can only get a DH for Pineda. Horrid deal. Well Montero had an OPS of blah blah blah. Look at the lineup he hit in and the ball park. there are exactly no hitters in seattle that will give protection to a young hitter learning. Those Opposite field homers will be can-o-corns in seattle.
Who was the last Yankee prospect that did anything? Robinson Cano, and oh yeah, he is flourishing, he is one hell of a player, and guess who he plays for? The Yankees. Trading for a position player from the Yanks is like trading for a pitcher from the Braves. you have to question why the guy is available.
Prince Fielder could be residing in New York very soon. Him in that ball park, you could see an average season of 50 homers and 125 rbi. milwaukee is a great hitters park, but pop ups leave in NYC.
The main reason Montero was dealt is, as you said, he’s a DH. Perhaps he can be moved to 1st base, but either way, he didn’t have a spot on the Yankees. And Prince Fielder isn’t coming to the Yankees. I know the reputation precedes the organization, but the Yanks aren’t gonna commit $150 mil for a DH, a spot they need to be free occasionally for A-Rod and Jeter.
the reason he is available is because he doesnt have a postition, thus is a great trade chip.
ever think why Pineda was available. look at Hultzens fall league stats. look at Paxtons pitching stats. Montero will be more valuable to the Ms then Pineda would
a position the yankees have readily available. what team in their right mind (seattle clearly was not) would trade a kid with that stuff for, at most, a high end DH.
Seattle already has a history of making bad deals with their good pitching….hello doug fister. hultzens fall league stats huh…last time i checked MLB is not played in the Fall League.
Montero may in deed turn out to be a good hitter, but in no way will he bring what Pineda will brind to the Yanks, or M’s. The minimal return makes it a horrible trade, not the piece the recieved in return.
Dustin Ackley, Justin Smoak and Mike Carp have all showed promise, and Montero will probably be slotted somewhere between. Stating he’ll do terrible because of a lack of protection in the M’s lineup is misleading.
compared to the Gio, Latos deal, this trade is way too fair. Think the Mariners should have tried to get more in the deal, considering the market for young SP is way overblown right now. Still, I think both teams did well.
Damn, I wouldn’t wanna be the rest of AL. Yankees are now the favorites in my opinion..
Because of Pineda? Doubtful
Yes. Because of Pineda and Kuroda.
And Seattle will still finish around 80 wins.
Kuroda also. But they are easy favs because the rest of the team is very VERY good.
Potential swap for Garza?
Brilliant point! That could very well be for Garza. Hopefully so.
why in the world would you ever do that. Pineda has a much higher upside than Garza, and is much more controlable and cheaper. Pineda may be unproven, but his upside is phenomenal. This is a huge win for the Yankees. They will certainly give the kid rest when it is needed. Seattle really mismanaged his rookie campaign in the second half. They will have enough of a cushion to ensure he is rested and ready to go for the playoffs.
Why? Because Garza is battle tested and has proven he can handle the AL east. I like Pineda’s upside, but he is still raw. Garza gives the yanks a formidable 1-2 and makes them WS contenders not just playoff contenders.
that doesnt make any sense. Pineda (all things considered) is greater than Garza. They Yankees (rightfully) refused to part with Montero for Garza.
No. At this point in time Garza> Pineda. Pineda has the potential to be a better pitcher than Garza, but right now he isn’t better. Pineda is a two pitch pitcher right now, who gets hammered by good lineups. And no again. The Yanks didn’t want to give up Montero+Banuelos+Bentances for Garza.
you are totally ignoring that players come with contracts. in 2012 Garza is probably a better pitcher than Pineda, but he is NOT a better value. And he will be even less vs Pineda in 2013 and beyond.
Garza and Byrd for Pineda, Betances / Banuelos, and Campos.
🙂
Yankees need a #2 behind CC. Not Pineda.
Are you high
Pineda isn’t really that much behind Garza. AND he is cheaper. AND he is controlled for longer. If the Yankees had something like that up their sleeves 1) they would be stupid, and 2) they would not have signed Kuroda.
Pineda will be a solid #2 and could be a future ace. His numbers are solid and should develop well. Having him under control till 2017 is an additional added bonus. I love Montero – but the fact is, this is more of a long-term deal and Montero wasn’t a guarantee to work out long-term in light of the questions if he could be a full-time catcher or not.
I think the key is Olivo. Can he mentor Montero into a decent fielder?
Olivo can’t turn himself into a decent fielder, let alone anyone else. Still have hopes for Montero though.
The mariners have the biggest surplus
of pitchers in baseball. And a lack of bats. Pineda is only 1
year in. He is as much of a risk if not more so then montero. Montero,
smoak, carp and possibly dustin ackley
are potential 25+hr 100+rbi guys. Even if two of those guys succeed,
the mariners will be in a good place. Montero doesn’t have to play
catcher. There is a spot in the al called the DESIGNATED HITTER! and
even if you sign a prince fielder (meaning if they dont sign fielder they should still sign a proven vet that you know can still hit, they’re claiming they only have 3 or 4 mil left, but if you know about all the money that came off the books you know thats b.s.) you can still platoon him and get
ANOTHER big bat. Anyone that says this is a stupid trade need to SHUT UP
and let these guys’ careers unfold. Your acting as though pineda has
been in the big leagues 5 years. He hasnt and it is very possible
(although I hope not) that he ultimately fails. It was a risk the ms AND
the yanks had to make for both teams. I have been a mariners season ticket holder for 6 years. and frequent minor league games. They are FINE in the pitching department. And I have a feeling that this trade will entice prince to at least carefully comin to seattle. This is a much bigger move then a lot of people think
That doesn’t mean making a bad trade with one is worth it. This was a bad trade for Seattle. They could have gotten more.
Frankly, they probably could have gotten more for Felix. It isnt like they are going to make the playoffs in the next 3 years!
May I look inside your crystal ball?
Pineda struggled with lefties at times, and going to the AL East means he’ll regress slightly. That being said, Montero will be held back by Seattle’s ballpark. Campos has a live arm and a high ceiling. Noesi could turn into a Doug Fister type…. or, more likely, he will be minor league depth and an option if some of the young pitchers in the rotation falter.
Pineda struggled with lefties at times, and going to the AL East means he’ll regress slightly. That being said, Montero will be held back by Seattle’s ballpark. Campos has a live arm and a high ceiling. Noesi could turn into a Doug Fister type…. or, more likely, he will be minor league depth and an option if some of the young pitchers in the rotation falter.
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the move def makes sense for the Yankees…now they can trot out a five man rotation of dudes names ending in A—-sabathiA, pinedA, novA, kurodA, garciA…was purely an aesthetic move
Not as good as the Rays rotation, but it’s a big step forward. All us Ray fans will just have to hope that he will not be able to handle the pressure in NY. He’s a fastball pitcher and in a hitter’s park like New York, those can be pretty bad.
Right, but the lineup is night and day and the yankee bullpen is probably better too. The Rays are going to be shooting it out with the Angels for the wildcard (only because they have a tougher schedule). Also Cleveland could make a run at the wildcard (because of any easier schedule). Of course there may be two “wildcards” this year so who knows!!!???
umm pineda only added 8 wins to the season. montero can easily double that. so even if pineda does win 15-16 games (which he wont) its still equal
Somebody doesn’t understand how WAR works.
I’m pretty sure he was talking about wins (you know, that normal pitchers stat that sabermetrics made you forget). Pineda had 9 wins last year. (in 171 innings). Thats mostly because of the team he played on.
Wait…..Montero is going to pitch for the Mariners?
I understood that, but what I don’t understand what he means by Montero can be worth 16+ wins.
I didn’t know it was possible to feel sad, happy, terrified, excited, nauseated, and waffle all at one time.
yeeeup. Lefty-heavy lineups will kill him at home.
Riiiiiight… because he held lefties to a 3.82 xFIP last year. He is one of the best young pitchers in baseball. At least as good as Latos (according to the numbers) and cheaper for longer.
As a Jays fan I like this trade. Kuroda and Pineda are pitching against tougher teams in a HR happy ballpark. I think they will be ok, but expect some struggle there.
The key is losing Montero. This is a guy who has lit it up at every league he’s played in. And with A-ron and jeter aging, I am very happy the Yanks wont have this guys bat in the middle of the order.
Yanks take the AL East easy with or without this trade though.
I think Yankees should talk to angels about swapping abreu for soriano. (angels could use bullpen help and really dont have a place to play abreu this year) meanwhile yankees could use a bat like abreu and I think soriano has all but proven he’s not ready for new york…..contracts are similar.
That would be bad soriano would be the closer after mo leaves and abreu is getting to old and he was not good under the new York presure soriano had a great year besides having a injury
Pineda is going to win A LOT of games for the bombers.
Unfortunately, Prince is now a Detroit Tigers. Mariners need to move Seager to first base and acquire Miguel Cabrea and reacquire David Pauley from the Tigers for pitchers James Paxton, Erasmus Ramirez, outfielder Franlyn Gutierrez, and a player to b named later so the M’s can also sign Johnny Damon, Magglio Ordonez, or Manny Ramirez to keep up w/ the Rangers and Angels, esp. this season.