5:41pm: Neither Miley nor Borchering is involved in the trade, tweets Piecoro.
5:22pm: Arizona may also send left-hander Wade Miley to Oakland along with Parker and Cowgill, tweets Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle. The Snakes selected Miley in the supplemental first round in 2008.
As well, the D'Backs made minor league corner infielder Bobby Borchering available during the Winter Meetings, according to Piecoro, though he's not sure if the 21-year-old is part of this potential deal (Twitter).
4:20pm: A D'Backs source says the two sides are still "talking names" and that nothing has been finalized, tweets Piecoro, who adds that it does sound like something is close.
4:02pm: The deal is Cahill and Craig Breslow in exchange for Parker, Collin Cowgill and other prospects, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Rosenthal says the trade is still "fluid" so more names could be involved.
3:42pm: The Diamondbacks are "closing in" on a trade with the Athletics that would send Trevor Cahill to Arizona in exchange for a prospect, reports John Gambadoro of Sports 620 KTAR in Phoenix (Twitter link). Gambadoro says the prospect isn't Trevor Bauer or Tyler Skaggs (Twitter links).
We heard yesterday from Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that Cahill had been mentioned in talks between the D'Backs and A's. Gio Gonzalez's name also came up between the two teams, with Rosenthal noting that the Snakes would need to deal Skaggs to get Gonzalez, but Cahill could be had for a lesser price. Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic mentioned yesterday that "it's believed that [the D'Backs] focus" was on Cahill and mentioned Jarrod Parker as a candidate to go to Oakland in the swap.
If it will only take one prospect, why aren’t the Royals in on this?!
Because this is basically Beane and the A’s raising a middle finger to the Giants due to an ongoing local battle over territorial rights. The A’s want to move south to San Jose, the Giants have “territorial rights” to San Jose and want to block them from moving into Silicon Valley where a good percentage of the wealth is in the Bay Area. The Giants are fighting it tooth and nail…they have been for years. The A’s draw their 5,000 fans a game while the Giants sell out nightly. If the A’s moved to San Jose the Giants fears are that they would become as dominate if not more dominate in the Bay Area and draw considerable fan base and ticket sales and panda hat buying fans away from making the trip up to San Francisco. All of that being said, why not trade 1 of your if not your best pitchers (rumors as of yesterday were both pitchers being packaged together) to the Giants main rival in the NL West? Alot of it is behind the scenes politics.
bye Parker
If the A’s cant get Bauer or Skaggs why would they move Cahill?
Because he is nowhere near worth either of those two.
he is worth more, about $50million over 6 years more.
Are you saying Trevor Cahill isn’t worth either of those two guys who have never done a single thing at the major league level?
Thats exactly what Im saying. You dont trade top prospects for 3-4 starters. Period.
Uhhh your team is beastly and contending, you trade your prospects to make the team better when you get to that point. Winning a WS is way better than having a good farm system…
Seriously. Those guys haven’t done a thing. Cahill in the NL is more than a 3-4. Kennedy-Hudson-Cahill is good. I guess BrandonDbacks likes having a good farm system, even if it means not winning a WS.
Its pretty sad that you get the feeling that a lot of people are like that, I’m an A’s fan myself and I’d support any move imaginable if it meant a title.
Agreed.
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What’s the matter?
Its pretty sad that you get the feeling that a lot of people are like that, I’m an A’s fan myself and I’d support any move imaginable if it meant a title.
This will establish the market for other starters (Danks, Shields, etc.)
wow, not bauer or skaggs, good deal.
wow, good move for the Diamondbacks
Feels like Jemile Weeks will be the only player on the team now that will have major league experience by time they move to SJ.
-A- prospect? I’ll give you two prospects and a can of Pringles for Cahill…
Cahill for one prospect? Well if that doesn’t totally fly in the face of every single thing Beane has said this offseason.
The buzz has been that Oakland wants younger prospects, but you’d think Oakland would want one of their big 4 pitching prospects. With Bauer and Skaggs not in it, and Archie Bradley not eligible to be traded (as is Bauer), perhaps Parker is involved? Heyman tweet may hint at that: “cahill trade talk: skaggs untouchable, bauer ineligible to deal. parker, “roy oswalt type,” is 3rd elite young pitcher”
Perhaps it’s Parker and Matt Davidson?
I REALLY hope not. Parker will end up being better than Cahill.
You totally overvalue your prospects.
Cahill is going to look a lot worse than he did the last two years that home HR/9 is going to look nastier than .57 in AZ probably a lot worse than that 1.10 road HR/9
End up when the Dbax aren’t a contender anymore. Cool have fun with Parker being a good pitcher on your .500 team.
End up when the Dbax aren’t a contender anymore. Cool have fun with Parker being a good pitcher on your .500 team.
I find this hard to believe.
Not in love with Cahill, but not giving up those two pitchers probably makes it well worth it.
It’s gotta be Jarrod Parker then.
Bummer…
I’d hate to be an A’s fan…
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COME ON REDS DO SOMETHING. Cahill is EXACTLY the kind of player you need!
I think it’s poorly worded. Expect their to be another couple lesser names as well…
Dbacks will have a pretty solid 1-2-3 with Kennedy, Hudson, and Cahill.
The A’s are trading their players sooner and sooner every time . Soon they will only trade prospects.
Uh, so no one has made the “A’s clearing off their biggest financial burden to make a run at Darvish” connection yet?
I think the A’s are trying to clear the books because they can’t afford to spend unless they get the new stadium…
You didn’t hear about the city of Oakland coming out today and saying they could have a new A’s stadium at the Jack London waterfront open by 2016? This will either spurn San Jose (who say they can open one by 2015) or the A’s will stay in Oakland. Regardless, I think its silly trading under 25 year olds when their value isnt as good as it could be. Cahill’s going to be a lot better when he’s 26 or 27 than he is now.
That press conf. Was a total crock. They mentioned coliseum site again which MLB already said no to. They said they never started the EIR on victory court which was suppose to be fast tracked by their words when they started it a year ago.
They never mentioned the raiders despite being in a rendering? They made this coliseum city plan which has the warriors who said yesterday they are planning on moving to sf. Soon Oakland will have no sport teams. You don’t announce a 2 billion dollar plan with no way to pay for it. You think MLB will work with Oakland anymore after bringing up a site they said no and never starting the EIR they said they would have done by now.
That press conf. Was a total crock. They mentioned coliseum site again which MLB already said no to. They said they never started the EIR on victory court which was suppose to be fast tracked by their words when they started it a year ago.
They never mentioned the raiders despite being in a rendering? They made this coliseum city plan which has the warriors who said yesterday they are planning on moving to sf. Soon Oakland will have no sport teams. You don’t announce a 2 billion dollar plan with no way to pay for it. You think MLB will work with Oakland anymore after bringing up a site they said no and never starting the EIR they said they would have done by now.
I hope they trade them both, they are the only SP’s other than King Felix in the AL west that don’t play in Anaheim that are any good- King Albert wants them both gone- So let it be written, so let it be done
If Cahill gets traded, does Gio too? Or was it one or the other?
Don’t see the point of keeping Gio if you don’t have the cast around him to do anything. Get what you can, then get your new stadium, then sign all these good players that come through the A’s system (through drafts and trades) to extensions.
It will take another few years but without any payroll, even with great scouting and development, it takes a lot of luck to have 9 position players and 5 pitchers all peak in the same year if they are only there for 1 or 2 years at a time.
I’m sure Oakland would trade both, Their ballpark is pitcher friendly enough that I am sure they wouldn’t be afraid to call up a few minor leaguers if the deals were right.
4.71 career road ERA. We’ll see what Billy B gets.
I swear to god if we are trading Parker for him I will be pissed as a Dbacks fan.
Cahill is the same age as Parker and is not recovering from TJS – this makes no sense
Parker also throws much, much harder and has a higher ceiling than the soft-tossing Cahill. I like both, but considering Oakland is getting more than just Cahill and saving money, it’s worth it for them.
Parker by the way is recovering very nicely from TJ surgery if you watched him last year.
Cahill is really not that good. His 2010 was fluky (more than a run differential in FIP and ERA) and his 2011 showed what he really is. Out of the confines of the Coliseum and into a hitter friendly park, I think he’d get blown up. I think trading Parker for him is a huge mistake (I assume that he is the prospect).
I agree completely. As a Dback fan I’d be pissed if the deal was Parker for Cahill straight up. Parker has WAY more potential.
How can you make that call on a 23 year old SP? Pitchers develop so haphazardly, no 2 are alike. Cahill’s good and will get better. As an A’s fan i was hoping we’d keep him around a couple more years, as his contract is realllly team friendly (2 club options IIRC).
Except he’s not good and has demonstrated what his cieling was. He has an ERA above 4 on the road and his FIP has always indicated an insane amount of regression. He doesn’t strike people out, and the only reason he doesn’t give up HR is because of his home park. His ceiling is nothing more than a #3 starter at best.
He’s demonstrated what his ceiling is at 23 years of age?
Oh, Mets fan, explains quite a bit…
Did you have Jamie Moyer’s ceiling pinned down when he was 23 as well? Cahill’s K rate has increased every year of his career, so there goes your “regression” argument.
Whats funny is that he basically had the same year as Shawn Marcum did last year, and no one thinks that guy is terrible.
Cahill doesn’t allow home runs because he is an extreme groundball pitcher, not because of his home park.
Cahill doesn’t allow home runs because he is an extreme groundball pitcher, not because of his home park.
parker, cowgill and others for cahill and breslow? not bad to begin with, could be really good depending on the other prospects
I mean, Cahill pitched in Oakland (very pitcher friendly) and posted a 4.20ERA.. I wonder what he does in very hitter friendly Chase Field. DONT TRADE PARKER FOR HIM!!
If ERA’s your bag (and it shouldnt be) Cahill had a 2.97 one in 2010, so yeah…
Except his FIP was over 4.00. He really is a mediocre pitcher at best.
Compare him statistically to Shawn Marcum this year, who had 2 years left when he was traded for Lawrie. Cahill is signed til 2017. He’s valuable and pretty good.
Marcum was better, but that’s beside the point. I’m sure tons of people here thought (and still think) that trading Lawrie for Marcum wasn’t a great move. And to your point earlier about Jamie Moyer: do you suggest the A’s keep Trevor Cahill until he’s in his early 30s and becomes a very good starter, as Moyer did? Bottom line, they see real upside in Parker and and are dealing a nice major league pitcher for someone they think can be better. I don’t hate it for the D’Backs, but you seem to be blasting it from Oakland’s side and that I don’t get either
No, I’m blasting people who think “Cahill has no value/our prospects at A ball are more valuable” etc. Its really just plain stupid to want good prospects over bettering your contending team. Cahill’s a damn fine pitcher, he’s still learning the game and throwing 30+ starts a year, he’s a prize and should be viewed as one for a contender.
Look at Cahill’s pitchFX on fangraphs-hes got great stuff. 55% ground ball rate too. He will be great in AZ. Towers knows what he is doing.
you’d think so, but his HR/FB rate is 12% even in oakland. arizona won’t help
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This trade seems really stupid and unnecessary. I’m guessing the dbacks see Parker as injury-prone, so they’re trying to unload him before he falls apart, much like what they did with Scherzer. I’d rather “risk” having parker than Cahill thou…
I tend to agree. The upside to Parker is HUGE. We know what we get with Cahill. So happy Bauer and Skaggs weren’t involved.
This trade sucks for Arizona. Oakland, congrats you win this trade next year.. and in the long run. Just like the Haren trade Beane fleeced us.
So I am not A D’Backs fan so how good are the prospects that As are getting for Cahill ?
Parker projects as about a #2 starter. He can throw 96, but in is brief stint in the majors in 2011 he was throwing 2-seamers that were low 90s. He also has a slider, change-up, and a curveball too i think. His fastball is good, but his off-speed stuff needs some work.
Cowgill is a 4th outfielder type. He can play all outfield positions, not just an emergency CF, and has a decent arm. He “can” slap the ball around and is very fast. Most of his time in the big leagues in ’11 he looked like he was trying way too hard, but he had a couple good games/moments. He could probably stick it as an average outfielder. Losing him doesn’t really hurt too much because the dbacks have Pollock and Eaton waiting in the minors that look similar to Cowgill and might have more upside.
Hmmm, a lot of people will be eating crow though if the Dbacks win it all this year, just sayin …
Yeah youre damn right, Cahill’s pretty much a lock to give whatever team he’s with next year 200 IP of under 4 ERA ball…that’s something playoff teams need.
A front end of Kennedy-Hudson-Cahill will do just fine in the NL West. As a Giants fan forced to watch Brian Sabean do nothing but “hope like hell” that Manny freaking Burriss fulfills his “potential,” this trade makes me very nervous.
A front end of Kennedy-Hudson-Cahill will do just fine in the NL West. As a Giants fan forced to watch Brian Sabean do nothing but “hope like hell” that Manny freaking Burriss fulfills his “potential,” this trade makes me very nervous.
I don’t get this trade. Parker is only 5 months younger than Cahill, both born in 1988. Collin Cowgill is 5’9″.
I would want Cahill/Breslow.
Kevin Towers never loses.
Very true.
Dustin Pedroia is 5’7”.. your point??
Dustin Pedroia is an infielder and not a corner outfielder.
I have no problem with small infielders.
Brett Gardner is listed at 5’10”. He’s pretty good.
Kirby Puckett was 5’8″ and yes Brett Gardner is a good major league player but he has the advantage of batting left handed. The Orioles had a good short outfielder for a while too but the name escapes me at the moment. But these guys are exceptions. Short right handed corner OFs don’t usually do too well.
Brett Gardner is listed at 5’10”. He’s pretty good.
Cowgill is solid as an OFer. No idea what your problem is. He isn’t a tall drink of waster, but he has range, an above average accurate arm and can play all three fields. Parker is projected to be (and nothing seems to indicate he will be otherwise) a #2/3 starter (depending on the team) that has way more upside than Cahill. Cahill also makes 5x what Parker does. This is a REALLY iffy trade both ways. The “fluid negotiations” certainly have more to decide on here.
Cowgill is solid as an OFer. No idea what your problem is. He isn’t a tall drink of waster, but he has range, an above average accurate arm and can play all three fields. Parker is projected to be (and nothing seems to indicate he will be otherwise) a #2/3 starter (depending on the team) that has way more upside than Cahill. Cahill also makes 5x what Parker does. This is a REALLY iffy trade both ways. The “fluid negotiations” certainly have more to decide on here.
Hey look here buddy, if you have a problem with Hack Wilson, then you have a problem with me, OK?
Why is it when names weren’t included (just interest), Cahill and Gio were worth half the Dbacks farm system. Now that Breslow and Parker were named, Cahill is a bum. Interesting the evolution of Cahill…
If the Dbacks can hold onto Bauer and Skaggs and still receive a high end 3 slash Mid 2 Rotation starter, then do the trade. Good luck to Parker. We’ve all been pulling for Parker after his TJS.
How much is Cahill making? Would his salary prevent us from going after Kuroda or bringing back Saunders still? Kennedy-Hudson-Cahill-Saunders-Collmenter is looking more likely to me rather than Kuroda.. BUT if AZ wants to win now like they are talking about then the really should get Kuroda on a one year deal.
Kennedy-Hudson-Kuroda-Cahill-Collmenter would be nice.
I think Cahill would replace the spot that Saunders/Kuroda would take. So the rotation would be something like Kennedy-Hudson-Cahill-Collmenter-Bauer
bauer/skaggs are pretty much interchangeable
I think Cahill would replace the spot that Saunders/Kuroda would take. So the rotation would be something like Kennedy-Hudson-Cahill-Collmenter-Bauer
Trevor Cahill is 23 and signed til 2015 with 2(!) club option years, so til 2017. He makes $3.5M in 12, $5.7M in 13, $7.2M in 14, $12.2M in 15, an option for $13M in 16 and $13.5M in 17 with minimal buy-outs. Its a massively friendly contract for a guy who looks a lock for 200 IP every year.
Thanks Pete.
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It doesnt matter. bauer isnt going anywhere.
Bauer can’t be moved until August anyway, or I suppose February as a PTBNL.
What, I am supposed to take solace in the fact that we didn’t deal Bauer? Parker is likely ML-ready at this point, as are Bauer and Skaggs. This deal is stupid, it might be good in 2012 and maybe 2013, but beyond that the Dbacks are gonna look downright foolish.
You’re really going to hate it when it includes all three (the two mentioned in the post plus Bauer)
If its Bauer, Parker, Cowgill and one or two more then I’m fine with it.
That would be absolute larceny. Cahill isn’t nearly good enough for a package of that caliber.
If its Bauer, Parker, Cowgill and one or two more then I’m fine with it.
I’m betting Bauer is in this deal when it’s all said and done
I’m betting you’re wrong.
I’ve lost bets before, but Cowgill/Parker is not near enough to land Cahill and Oakland obviously wants Bauer. We shall see I guess
Well if this deal gets done in January then Bauer can actually be an option. Six months to name a PTBNL. So Bauer can’t be involved here.
Bauer cannot be traded until January AND he’s expected to be competitive for a spot in AZ’s rotation come Spring. Anything less than Gio (and likely not even that) is getting Bauer out of AZ.
Bauer cannot be traded until January AND he’s expected to be competitive for a spot in AZ’s rotation come Spring. Anything less than Gio (and likely not even that) is getting Bauer out of AZ.
Yeah agree with the chorus of “no ways”
Most likely some smaller pieces that are borderline make it to the majors.
I’m betting Bauer is in this deal when it’s all said and done
How good is Cowgill? Anyone have more knowledge of him then just me looking at stats?
He is a platoon outfielder at best. He has speed and showed stretches of potential to be a solid 3rd outfielder.
Cowgill is a pretty solid OFer. His biggest problem is he is plays in AZ where you have Upton in RF, Young (who has now been robbed of two GGs) in CF, and Parra (Mr. 1st ever LF GG) in LF. Cowgill isn’t breaking in to that OF in this lifetime.
Cowgill is a pretty solid OFer. His biggest problem is he is plays in AZ where you have Upton in RF, Young (who has now been robbed of two GGs) in CF, and Parra (Mr. 1st ever LF GG) in LF. Cowgill isn’t breaking in to that OF in this lifetime.
He would be the A’s starting CF in 2012.
I’d hope not, for the A’s sake. Nobody projects Cowgill’s glove playing in center.
He was originally drafted by the A’s and the A’s tried very hard to get him last year. He will most likely be the A’s opening day CF next year if this deal happens.
I knew the name was very familiar.
Google John Sickels and Collin Cowgill
Google John Sickels and Collin Cowgill
He’s a little dude, who really doesn’t hit for much power, but acts like he can. Plays a decent outfield, and has a pretty good arm. He’s fast, but didn’t really use that to his advantage with the Diamondbacks last year. Don’t know about his time in Reno, since I don’t have readily available access to video feeds of games in the minors.
How good is Cowgill? Anyone have more knowledge of him then just me looking at stats?
A’s are retarded. FIRE BEANE
Idk how anyone thinks Bauer for Cahill is even close to happening.. if it was Gio, then maybe you’d see Skaggs or Bauer’s name involved. But Parker/Cowgill is the best youd get back, and even I think thats way too much.
Dude you guys are ridculous, you act as if every prospect pans out. Most don’t. Even the really good ones. Cahill has far more value than Parker. Parker may have the higher upside but probabilities will put a cost controlled Cahill at a much higher value than Parker.
Overvaluing of propects has gotten ridiculous. Most teams that trade for prospects lose.
Oakland kind of won the Dan Haren deal, and that was for prospects.
Dude you guys are ridculous, you act as if every prospect pans out. Most don’t. Even the really good ones. Cahill has far more value than Parker. Parker may have the higher upside but probabilities will put a cost controlled Cahill at a much higher value than Parker.
Overvaluing of propects has gotten ridiculous. Most teams that trade for prospects lose.
Considering it’s not even possible until January, I’m quite perplexed as well.
Considering it’s not even possible until January, I’m quite perplexed as well.
Well I was getting pumped about Bauer earlier, not too into this trade. One for one (essentially) is too risky when dealing a proven solid or better than solid MLB player with a very team friendly contract.
Look im not going to sit here and bash this trade like some , Cahill would be a welcome addition in the 3-5 spots on most teams , but Parker’s upside is very very good. But if Arizona thinks they have a small window to compete NOW , then i dont see a huge problem trading for a guy who will give you a good to decent season next year , definately helping your team get back into the playoffs, and possibly further .
So in hindsight you think hmm Parker is likely going to be better then Cahill BUT hes not ready yet and if our window is only lets say 2 years where they think they can compete, theres absoluelty nothing wrong with the trade considering when Parker is ready they’re window might have closed. So you simply can not sit and judge the trade as a Win/Loss right away.
Finally a sensible post.
I totally agree that this move makes sense if KT and Co. have decided that the time is NOW to go “all in”. If this is the trade to signal that the Dbacks are going for the whole thing, right here and right now, this is the season, then fine. But if that’s the case, I actually want to see at least one more aggressive move to find another serviceable bopping bat to shore up the lineup too.
Either that, or since Chaill only makes $5.7MM next year, take some of that Saunders sacings and go get Kuroda ALSO. Kennedy/Hudson/Kuroda/Cahill/Other is a difference making rotation that could just possibly weather a streaky offense.
Or why not for gold and sign Prince?
Prince? Thanks, but no thanks. I’d like to see them spend for the chance to win, but no mortgage the future entirely.
I was agreeing with grownice that if management thinks the time is now that this makes sense. I’m just of the opinion that if such is really their stance, then it is still possible for them to do more. And that’s what going for broke is, doing everything that one can.
As a Dback fan I really liked Parker. However, out of the stable of upcoming starters that the Dbacks have a surplus of, he is the one I would want to move. However, I’m surprised that they went after Cahill. He looks like he’ll be average at best in a hitter friedly place like Phoenix. And he’s got a VERY big payday coming in a few years, the same time Kennedy and Hudson (both better Pitchers than Cahill) are due for najor raises. Right now it looks like the Dbacks are essentially trading out Saunders for Cahill, except Saunders was at least a lefty. Now on the other hand, Cowgill is pretty decent, but was never going to see any time in AZ’s stud outfield. And Breslow is a nice pickup given the lack of leftyies in the pen in AZ.
Cahill has a 55% gb rate. Moreover, he’s only 23 and still has some of his own upside (although not as much as Parker). I’ve watched Breslow when he was a Twin. Soft tossing lefty, who can be effective against Lefties as a second loogy to paterson.
Cahill has a 55% gb rate. Moreover, he’s only 23 and still has some of his own upside (although not as much as Parker). I’ve watched Breslow when he was a Twin. Soft tossing lefty, who can be effective against Lefties as a second loogy to paterson.
Being paid $7M in 2014 and $12M in 2015 is not under any circumstances “a VERY big payday”, club option years for 2016+17 at $13M and $13.5M aren’t anything remotely big either.
Mark Buehrle will be making more money over the same time frame.
So….hows about a little research next time?
$12.2MM in 2015 is not a huge payday, but it is certainly well beyond what the Dbacks are going to be spending for a RHP #3, especially when Kennedy and Hudson will be in line for bigger paydays than that. Years 12-14 are manageable, I admit.
Wade Miley is a new name being thrown around….dbax guys is he waaay better than Cahill too?
Wade Miley is a quality prospect. He would probably be 7-10 in the A’s organization.
Wade Miley is a new name being thrown around….dbax guys is he waaay better than Cahill too?
Susan Slusser just tweeted:
Cahill
Breslow
for
Miley
Parker
Cowgill
“Just a possibility” she said.
Now THAT is steep for the Dbacks. Miley is a LHP that, although he pitches in to trouble, pitches like a young Livan Hernandez and can squirm like a worm on a hook. The guy just does NOT let people get around. (Much like Kennedy) I could still see it happening, but if it does, AZ better have other irons in the fire too. That’s 2 top pitching prospects leaving in one trade for a RHP version of a LHP we already have.
If I am the A’s I would rather have C Rosmel Perez or RP Eury De La Rosa.
I think Perez is going to be a good major league catcher.
The is a steal for the D Backs.Cahill is a number 2 starter and only Parker is a quality prospect.Wiley stinks and at best is a number 5 starter.Stop overrating your prospects D Backs fans.
Miley will be a top 10 prospect for the A’s if he goes. Parker will be in your 2012 rotation (Miley just MIGHT be too) and Cowgill would probably be your starting CF. That’s not overvaluing prospects. That’s a LOT to give up for a soft-toss lefty and a #3 starter.
I actually LIKE Cahill. I just think this is a case of paying top dollar for him and I’m not sure he alone will be a difference maker.
For Oakland fans;
Parker could be a solid number 2 starter, throws 96 and recovering from TJ and threw 5 and 2/3 scoreless innings in his debut vs. LA.
Miley a solid back end starter at the most, could put up decent numbers for Oakland. 4th starter is his ceiling though.
Cowgill could be a nice player to have in that big ballpark, he has tons of speed and a little pop for his size. Could be a nice CF for you guys.
This is a very nice package back for you guys. I really dont like trading Parker, but oh well.. Cahill is still an OK number 3 with me.
I really don’t like trading Parker, but this could be his peak value. It’s still a nasty rotation with Kennedy/Hudson/Cahill/Skaggs/Bauer, and still have Charles Brewer and Pat Corbin (and other younger guys)
cool
Parker – 3.75 ERA in AA, K/9 below 7.5, BB/9 at 4.0 with tommy john surgery history. Does he really worth Cahill? There are tons of hard thrower prospects.
Recovering from Tommy John Surgery that is a very solid year, and his ERA dropped as the year went on. Check out his previous stats to get a better read on him, as last years werent too accurate overall. Get your facts straight before you assume.
Point is, he is not spectacular proven pitching prospect as true elite pitching prospects, such as Strasburg, Moore, Teheran, Miller, Price, Bumgarner.. name me a few others. Only 1 out of 8 BA TOP 100 pitchingp prospects make big league career. Given his track record plus health issue, I’m not even sure if he would be one of those 8. Skaggs and Bauer seem to me much more ‘sure’ prospect to me. And getting proven quality big leaguer costs either proven elite prospect or bunch of above average prospects. In this case, I see neither.
Parker has quite a bit of upside, more than Cahill, who admittedly will probably get better still. Parker for Cahill would be a steal. Parker and a prospect is pretty even, especially when the prospect is a big league ready CF. Throwing in a 4/5 LHP is gravy for Oakland.
The Dbacks CANNOT keep all of thei pitching prospects though. There simply isn’t enough room on the roster, and Parker is the most expendable.
Dbacks fans are bunch of homers.. Only 1 out of 8 top 100 pitching prospects make MLB debut and have career there over 5 seasons. It is a proven fact. Was Parker dominant in minor? No. If he is at same level as Moore, Miller, Teheran then I’d understand 1on1 swap but… meh.
Homers? How so.. youre going to judge a few people off a comment board and describe our fanbase? Then go ahead.
Who said anything about Parker for Cahill straight? Hell, I’m a Dback fan and even I would probably lynch Beane on behalf of Oakland if he did that. The devil will be in the details here. It’s going to come down to the “other players” going both directions that is going to make or break this deal. Oakland is hardly getting raped here if they get Miley and Cowgill along with Parker.
Cahill along with Breslow, who is cost controlled, proven reliever for 5 consecutive seasons. It is crazy to see some people saying Parker with Cowgill guy is too much for Cahill. He pitches better than his FIP in same manner with Cain. Cahill’s first half was still impresive, era 3.10 but that one night he had given up 13 runs in one inning just broke him down mentally. But still same age as Parker, he is much more proven one and definitely worth much more than Parker as he is cheap controlled proven pitcher while there is a question mark Parker’s health and yet Cahill is a proven work horse having 200+ innings in two consecutive seasons.
Good deal for Arizona. Great top 3 in the rotation now. Kennedy-Cahill-Hudson.
As a Dbacks fan, I am okay with this deal if it includes the names mentioned. Parker has very good upside, but with Cahill, you get a good quality #2-3 pitcher that is under team control for many years. Miley & Cowgill are nothing spectacular, good young players that can easily be replaced by guys in the organization.
Cowgill is a solid trade piee. He’s a big leaguer that simply will never crack the AZ OF. He’s already on pace to be replaced by Pollack anyway. Might as well get something good for him while we can.
Miley is a wild card. He’s got the intangible ability to get the job done when things are on the line, but then seems to have mental lapses when the stakes aren’t as high. If he grows out of that as he matures as a big leaguer, he’ll be a pretty solid LHP for somebody other than the Dbacks. If he doesn’t grow out of it, he’ll be a perenial #4/5 starter that moves around getting extra chances because he’s a lefty.
I agree. But now that the deal is announced and doesn’t include Miley, I wonder who the third player is?
Cook? Huh.
Well, with Miley out of the mix now, it will be interesting to see what does actually transpire. I wouldn’t be surprised to see both GMs heavily sweeten the pot and pull off a major swap or to see the whole thing fall through. Parker/Cowgill for Cahill/Breslow seems close, but a bit one-sided for the Dbacks in terms of “impact today”.
I do like Cahill, he is young, has a good sinker and somewhat proven for his age. As long as we still have Skaggs and Bauer I’m fine I guess.
This is painful to read. Is this really how we Braves fans act when talking about Jurrjens?
Slusser says it’s a done deal. Parker, Cowgill, and an unnamed third player right now.
and Ryan Cook.
Good call
As long as the unnamed 3rd is not Skaggs, Bauer (can’t be anyway), or Borchering I can get on board with that.
Parker, Cowgill, & Cook for Cahill & Breslow. I like this deal even more now.
wtf is this?
Since Miley is out I am guessing C Rosmel Perez, RP Eury De La Rosa or OF Ender Inciarte.
None of these players made Sickels’ top 25 for 2012 but they are all young and have some potential.
good job dbacks I would have asked more for cahill