The Giants have discussed Jose Reyes as a possible trade target, according to Mychael Urban of CSNBayArea.com. San Francisco is considering addressing its shortstop problems with a trade and Urban hears that the Mets have decided to field offers for Reyes and his $11MM salary this summer.
Miguel Tejada struggled at short and at the plate before the Giants moved him to third base, where he’ll cover for the injured Pablo Sandoval and Mark DeRosa. Mike Fontenot is now starting at short for the Giants, so Reyes would represent a definitive upgrade.
Tim Dierkes analyzed the Giants-Reyes connection earlier today, suggesting which players the Mets might target and which players the Giants should hold onto. It's not surprising that the Giants have discussed Reyes – fans and media members have also wondered if he'd be a fit in San Francisco – and it doesn't mean he's available now or that the Giants would meet the Mets' asking price.
Urban hears that Reyes could look to match Carl Crawford’s seven-year, $142MM deal when he hits free agency this winter. The 27-year-old shortstop has two hits and two walks against the Giants tonight, for what it's worth.
I wonder if they would have to give up Bumgarner or Belt for him.
Nope. He is on the last year of his contract and an injury risk.
This a joke? If they want Wheeler and a few other low-medium grade prospects the Giants have to do this. Playing for this season and the next couple right now, not 2014-15.
tired of this “injury risk” garbage with Reyes…he missed the better part of the year two years ago and had a thyroid issue (not a physical injury and no issues with it since he’s returned) causing him to miss some games at the beginning of 2010 (he still logged over 600 Plate Appearances) other than that you have to go back to when he was 21 to even touch on any injury issues…this silliness about injuries has to stop
Ummm how about 2009 when he only played in 30 games?
Which was two years ago…
uh humm…and i quote “he missed the better part of the year two years ago”…reading is FUNdamental
Beat ya by a minute.
I know he has been healthy for most of last season and this year. I think he would be a good addition to the Giants. That comment was mostly based on Billy asking if the giants would trade Bumgarner or Belt for him. I don’t see anyway that would happen. I would be more worried about the fact that he is a free agent at the end of the year and I am sure he will be looking for a huge contract. If they are talking about Carl Crawford money they they don’t even need to waste their time. I don’t want to see the Giants give a lot up for a player that they will only have this year. Of course any short stop in the MLB right now would be better then Tejada. I was hoping for Bartlett in the off season but instead they sign a old 3rd baseman that can’t hit, with no range and can’t field.
as a giants fan, i’d love to see this “injury risk” garbage stick around. will really drive down the trade value. reyes reminds me a lot of carl crawford, who i thought was the perfect style of player for AT&T Park. reyes could rip 20 triples a year here…
I’d rather see Reyes than Tejada.
Haha, I think ANYONE would rather see Reyes than Tejada
i’d rather see a fontenot+burriss platoon than tejada. which is sadly saying a whole heck of a lot.
So, what your saying is that Tejada is your third favorite Giant of all time right behind Fontenot and Burriss?
If I were a GM, there is no way in hell I’m giving him over $100MM let alone $142MM. I hope my Giants can get him for Zach Wheeler and Dan Runzler while signing him to a realistic contract, but nowhere near those numbers.
The thing is ss of his caliber are hard to come by and I could see a team giving him 142 mil. I mean he doesnt deserve it but I could def see that happening. In other words if the giants want him they will have to approach those numbers and if they trade for him without wanting to pay anywhere near those numbers then he probably will just be a rental
No way the Giants make a trade for him. They got Zito and Rowands contracts still, and will have to pay Lincecum 15-20 million in Arb or sign him to a long term deal. They couldnt afford to pay another player that kind of money which is why they are relying on young talent in the minors like Belt and upcoming SS prospect Crawford. Why not trade for a 25-30 homer guy who gets on base often and would cost you only 5-10 million a year. Giants arnt having trouble getting on base they cant get runs in
Well yeah. Every team in baseball would want a 25-30 homer guy with a high OBP making 5-10 million a year.
You might be able to get a Russell Branyan type for that money and a reasonable package, but he’s not what I’d call high on-base and the power thus far has been disappointing. Later in the season I would think Carlos Pena would be available as well; his power so far is even worse than Branyan’s, though, and the terrible batting average from last year is even worse so far this year. (Watching a lot of Cubs games, though, I really am liking Pena’s ABs overall. His BABIP sucks, which ordinarily would make me suggest a pretty strong bounce-back — but unfortunately his BABIP has been dying for the last three years from .250 to to .222 to .234 this year, so maybe it’s something else.)
Ehh, just offer Zito to the Angels, and they’ll take his contract. Problem solved.
25-30 homer guy who gets on base, willing to sign for $5-$10mm….if Pujols has a bad year, maybe we can sign him for that with a Boras 1 yr special as a reclamation project….
I don’t like the idea of giving a leadoff hitter 100+ million when he will continually get stranded at 2B!
Better than no one on 2B.
This trade makes perfect sense, but there is no way I would ever give Reyes a 7 year deal nearing 140M. I do understand that the SS position is very weak, especially at the top end. I would be much more apt to give Stephen Drew a larger contract as opposed to Reyes. But I do see both Drew and Reyes being very sought after shortstops going forward!
The problem is Drew is signed through 2012, and the post-2012 SS market is even weaker than next offseason’s.
Drew will be looking for just as huge a deal, but it’ll be starting in his 30YO season. At least Reyes will be starting his at 29.
(fun fact, but I never realized Drew is actually OLDER than Reyes. Man, seems like Reyes has been around forever…forget how young he started.)
If the Giants want Reyes, they better be prepared to give the Mets at least Wheeler, Belt and another B+ prospect. Reyes is a proven, exciting major leaguer. Prospects are just what they are — prospects.
The Red Sox, Reds and Cardinals all have much more to offer, but as a Mets fan, I would much rather keep and re-sign Reyes rather than do ANY deal whatsoever.
Reyes is playing great right now, but he is not going to get you Wheeler and Belt, let alone another solid prospect on top of that. Packages like that get you guys like Doc Halladay or CC Sabathia. Anyone giving that up (or comparable) for Reyes is not keeping his job very long
right the giants are going to give 3 of their top ten prospects for what is most likely a 5 month rental, for which they still have to shell out at least 6mil. Belt is going nowhere, wheeler sure i see him in a package for reyes.
you do realize the reason the mets are shopping at least reyes and beltran and possibly wright as well is money, as in they dont have any and need to shed payroll asap.
You may get your wish and keep Reyes after all. Keep in mind that any team that trades for Reyes will have to sign him to an extension. No team is going to give up decent players or prospects without making certain he’s not just a rental. Secondly, Reyes is going to be looking for a hefty raise, I doubt he will get the Crawford contract, but $15MM would be a fair raise for his talents.
If the Mets don’t get want they want in a trade, they will most likely keep him. Reyes wants to remain a Met and the team has loads of money coming off the books next season. They certainly don’t have anyone that can replace him, so I can envision Reyes back at Citi Field next year.
lol with one year left on his deal when its clear the Mets cannot spend the money to keep him? wrong wrong wrong, Reyes can be had for the right price I assure you… the Mets have to try and get more value than just a draft pick or they aren’t committed to rebuilding like they should be
Wheeler AND Belt? That’s really too much.
“Urban hears that the Mets have decided to field offers for Reyes and his $11MM salary this summer.”
I’m calling this out as major BS. Shame on Urban for trying to make mere speculation on the part of some NY writers into substance. Is this Urban guy a Giants fan?
I’m betting that Alderson is NOT fielding offers for Reyes now, nor has he decided to yet. And I bet Reyes will not be available for trade this summer at all.
Edit: In looking over at that site, it appears that Urban is some Giants blogger. Puhleeze. His blog entry was no more than wishful thinking. It wasn’t a trade rumor as much as it was his own fiction. And anyone thinking Wright is up for sale is delusional too.
If trolling, nice one. The fact that I can’t tell is a good sign.
If you’re serious, you’re flat out wrong.
Well, I guess I can’t really say “flat out wrong” as I’m not Alderson, but why wouldn’t any decent GM be open to trading a player with an expiring contract for some really good prospects?
I’m serious. And I say Urban is flat out wrong (or worse, knowingly making things up).
Who is this Urban guy anyway? He’s just a blogger right?
Why would Alderson not want to trade Reyes now? One, because he probably wants to bring Reyes back and, two, because it’s the beginning of May and too soon for any team to sell a major piece, It makes zero sense.
But hey, I see Giants fans are salivating. So knock yourselves out getting all hyped up over a player who is not even available.
Um…where exactly do you see Giants fans “salivating”. I see Giants fans saying realistically we aren’t getting him.
Your comments are worse than Urban’s! Who, btw, isn’t a “blogger”. So maybe YOU should stop making things up.
If Urban isn’t just a blogger and instead works for an established media company, than his making up this info is worse.
Jose Reyes is not on the market now. Read John Harper in today’s Daily News online and he as much confirms that.
And all I see are Giants fans frothing at the mouth (OK, a little hyperbole there) at replacing duds like Tejada with Reyes and going on and on about trade scenarios. That is “salivating” as I see it.
I’m not saying the Giants haven’t discussed Reyes on their end, or that they haven’t approached the Mets. I’m saying if they did, Alderson told them Reyes is not available.
Urban worked for MLB.com until he landed a job with CSN Bay Area. He is not biased as he is an A’s fan.
Then he is plain sloppy. Saying the Mets have decided to field offers is essentially saying they have decided to trade him if they get a good offer. There has been no such published report to that effect up to now (just speculation). No such decision has been made by Alderson yet, according to reports today by Heyman and Harper. Alderson may ultimately decide not to trade Reyes this summer and instead take his chances with compensatory picks if the Mets can’t sign him.
This statement is flatout logical
he work for the giants tv staion CSN Bay Area. so no hes not a blogger
Then if he instead works for an established media company, it’s more inexcusable that the would write Reyes is available when he is not.
One could excuse such fantasies in a fan blogger.
It actually could be a good move for the Mets to deal Reyes. I understand you have a man crush on him, but the fact is the Mets aren’t going to pay him 142 mil after the season. Sure you could let him walk and take the two picks but trading him for prospects close to mlb ready could be a better option. The Mets have alot of holes and will not make a run at a title this year, might as well try to rebuild while lowering that payroll. I don’t understand why you think this is such a terrible thing
Who’s going to pay Reyes 142 million? I know he’s as good (if not better) a player as Crawford, but there are only a very limited number of teams willing to overpay that much. Likely the Red Sox and Yankees will be out. The Giants won’t pay that. The Dodgers won’t. Nor will the Phillies.
So really, there’s a very good chance his price will be much lower at which point the Mets might be willing to pay.
And, btw, I think the fact that Crawford is having such an awful year (along with Werth) will scare people away from overpaying for position players who aren’t big HR threats this winter. Crawford’s poor performance is enough to serve as a lesson to other teams and to bring the market back to earth.
As for a man crush, sounds like it’s Urban who has one on Reyes. He’s the one making up trade rumors.
Zito’s contract didn’t lower the market for SP. Soriano’s bad contract didn’t lower the market for FA OFs.
I wouldn’t count the Yankees out. Especially if ‘his price will be much lower’. Tweek the Mets and get a huge upgrade at SS…..
I should have qualified my statement, excluding big market teams like the Red Sox and Yankees from that market, as they have proven they will overspend on anyone just to keep up with the other.
I should have said that Crawford’s poor performance should have a dampening effect on teams other than those big market ones in terms of overpaying for similar contracts.
As for the Yankees, I doubt they would anger and insult Jeter by making him the DH next year. So I think best bet is that the Yankees and Red Sox are out. And I really can’t see SF or the Phillies pay Reyes Crawford money, especially after seeing Crawford’s failure.
It’s like with Pujols, once the Yankees and Red Sox are out of it, the player loses a lot of leverage.
First off it’s WAY to early to write off Crawford he’s one month into his contract. Second, my point was its smart buisness for the mets to shop Reyes around. They won’t want to pay the 100+ mill contract, whatever the never ends up being. Look around the MLB the last few years…how many high priced stars on losing teams actually reach free agency rather than being dealt? Yes it happens but more often than not the team tries to unload them for top prospects.
The rumors surrounding Beltran, Wright, and Reyes are for a reason….the mets blow and have so many holes on that team. They need to move one or two of those guys and get a good haul of prospects back in return to turn that franchise back into a winning team. Doesn’t make much sense paying a guy 100 mil to stay a losing team.
Fairs points, but how many of these type of players get traded from teams that have money/can afford their large contracts? I don’t see the yanks, sox, angels, dodgers, cubs, white sox really trading these guys.
The mets are a mess but they still have more money and potential revenue than most of the league by just being in Queens.
Whether they should trade him or not is a debate, but the mets can probably afford to resign him especially with the money coming off the books.
Agreed that it’s too early to say Crawford will be a bust, but let’s face it, Boston grossly overpaid for him. A lot of Crawford’s value is also in his ability to steal bases and leg out extra base hits, and that ability will decline fast as he gets older. I think this has the potential to be one of the worst signings in recent history.
They won’t want to pay the 100+ mill contract, whatever the never ends up being.
You make two assumptions there that shouldn’t be made. One, that it will definitely cost more than 100 million to lock him up. Two, that the Mets won’t want to pay him whatever it costs (within reason) to sign him.
As the MLBTRCommentModerator says below, you forget that the Mets are a large market team with significant revenues. Moroever, they have a lot of money coming off the books after this year, and are on the verge of getting a $200 million cash infusion through the sale of a minority share in the team. They can afford to lock up Reyes.
The rumors surrounding Beltran, Wright, and Reyes are for a reason….the mets blow and have so many holes
They don’t have as many holes as you think. Not bringing back Reyes will just create a huge one. Wright is not going anywhere, regardless. The AL can have Beltran. He has bad knees and is best suited for a DH role. Other than him, and a few other non-core players, you are just creating more holes. And, btw, this year the Red Sox blow too.
also read earlier today (on mlbtraderumors.com of course) that felipe lopez just got DFAed. right now that’s what you call the perfect fit. i can’t stand felipe lopez, but he’s the best readily-available SS for the giants at the moment.
I may be in the minority, but I just don’t see Reyes getting $20MM AAV. The guy hasn’t had a good season since 2008 and has become a walking bandaid.
If he gets back up to a 4+ WAR player this year, $15-17MM AAV seems about right, injury concerns included.
20 seems high, but I think the Beltre contract would be a rough starting point..
The SS market is just so thin.
I would rather wait until free agency.
It is a lot of speculation by Urban. It is unknown if the Mets want to trade Reyes and how much the Giants would give up.
Beltran, Gee or Beato, and Reyes to SF for Bumgarner, Wheeler, Gary Brown, and Cody Ross…
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think you meant Reyes and Wright for Zito, Rowand, and Tejada with Mets picking up all contracts!
Psst.. Minaya isn’t GM anymore.
hahah…
I love to see peoples trade offers on here!!
Wow dude…
Reyes is an All-Star, and to acquire him should and will cost a package worthy of that. He’s one of the top three or four SS in all of baseball and he’s still in his twenties. The Giants can start by offering Belt or Bumgarner, because that’s what Jose Reyes is worth. Not both of them. But one of them.
The Giants don’t have a deep farm system. They can’t afford to trade top prospects. You can talk to another team about trading Reyes for top prospects.
….for 3 months.
It’s amazing how many people think 3 months of Reyes is worth so much in return. I mean seriously now. Reyes could get traded to the Giants and wind up signing with the Mets in the offseason if the money was right. Baseball is a BUSINESS and players for the most part follow the money, not some perceived view of “this team disrespected me”. Respect is measured in dollars and cents, period. The Giants shouldn’t — I repeat — SHOULDN’T give up anyone of serious value for a rental. Hell, Freddy Sanchez, 3 time allstar with a batting title (and another year left on his contract) was had for a AA pitching prospect with serious mechanical issues and a plummeting radar gun. Sure, it was the Pirates, but do you honestly think 3 months of Reyes is worth a top prospect (Wheeler) a B+ prospect (Crawford) and a throw in? Right.
Let’s not forget if the rental is just for three months, the team trading for Reyes can offer him arb and obtain two high drafts picks in return.
So it’s give up a decent package and sign Reyes to an extension or you give up the decent package for 3 months of Reyes plus the two high draft picks you will acquire by offering arb.
Either way I see it taking two pretty good prospects and maybe a lower level arm with upside.
No, I think Reyes is worth Bumgarner while recognizing that the Mets would probably have to settle (that’s right, SETTLE) for the package you laid out. Wheeler is in A-ball. If he were the main piece in a package any front office as desperate for offense as the Giants are would GLADLY hand that over for Reyes, and they should.
The Giants are not desperate for offense. Yes, their offense is putrid right now, but it’s because their best 4 hitters are slumping at the same time (huff/posey/burrell/ross), their other stud Sandoval just hit the DL, their leadoff hitter is also on the shelf for another couple days. This is not the same old Giants. They just won the series, remember?
Reyes would be a huge upgrade at SS, but not at the cost of anyone significant. Hell, just wait 3 months and buy him outright… he’s said he’s not interested in signing a deal before testing free agency (read: show me the money)
“The Giants are not desperate for offense.” “Yes, their offense is putrid right now.” Huh?
And you just listed Huff, Burrell, and Ross as three of the Giants 4 best hitters. Reyes is insurmountably better than all of them. And Reyes has more of a track record than either Panda or Posey.
Simply put, if the Giants trade for Reyes he becomes the best offensive player on the team, instantly.
“The Giants are not desperate for offense.” “Yes, their offense is putrid right now.” Huh? — Thanks for cutting off my quote and turning it inside out. Good job 😉
Here’s the whole quote:
“The Giants are not desperate for offense. Yes, their offense is putrid right now, but it’s because their best 4 hitters are slumping at the same time (huff/posey/burrell/ross), their other stud Sandoval just hit the DL, their leadoff hitter is also on the shelf for another couple days. This is not the same old Giants. They just won the series, remember?”
That “because” part is the kicker. Having slumping hitters in early May and be “desperate for offense” are two totally different things. If this the offense was hitting up to its potential and yet still couldn’t get a run across the plate, THEN they’d be desperate. Let’s put it this way; here’s the Giants runs scored for the 2010 postseason (against vaunted pitching staffs, I might add): 57 runs in 15 games. That’s 3.7 runs/game. Not amazing by any stretch, but considering the pitching staff they HAVE, and the pitching staffs they had to face (hudson/lee/oswalt/halliday/hamels/etc) hardly “desperate for offense”.
And for the record… I’m not saying the Giants SHOULD make this deal, or WILL make this deal. I’m just arguing what Reyes is worth. I think Bumgarner. I can see where a Giants fan would disagree. Pitching is the Giants strength.
But if you’re going to say that Reyes, even headed to FA, isn’t worth this Wheeler kid, a pitcher in A-Ball, and some other prospect nobody’s ever heard of, then you’re just massively overvaluing your own prospects.
And your two best offensive players: Posey has had one-half or two-thirds of a good year (not sure when he came up). Sandoval has had one good year (and is now out for at least six weeks, right?) Yes, Reyes, even though he’s had some injuries the past two seasons (not chronic ones and preceded by five full, healthy seasons of baseball) is more proven than both of them. He is a different offensive player than both of them and a leadoff hitter in every sense of the word (dropping him out of the leadoff spot has always proven a mistake) but he is a more proven player than Sandoval and Posey, and a gold-glove defender.
Yes, the Giants are WS champs, and yes, they had some guys you wouldn’t expect get some very timely his in the 2010 postseason. But the Giants are still built on pitching, pitching, pitching, and some hot bats in a few short series do not translate to solid offensive production for 162 games. If the Giant front office sees the offense still sputtering come June and Reyes is out there, expect them to at least think about Bumgarner for Reyes.
“…the Giants are still built on pitching, pitching, pitching, and some hot bats in a few short series do not translate to solid offensive production for 162 games”
Doesn’t translate into solid offensive production over 162?
Buster Posey:
ROY.
18HR
.305 BA
.357 OBP
.505 SLG
… in only 406 At Bats
Aubrey Huff:
26HR
.290 BA
.385 OBP
.506 SLG
(even 7 SB…ha 😉
Pat Burrell:
18HR
.266 BA
.364 OBP
.509 SLG
… in only 289 At Bats
That’s saying nothing about Sandoval, who’s looking like the guy that hit 25HR / .330 BA in 2009, a healthy Cody Ross whose 162 game average is 22HR/80RBI, Andres Torres who did 16HR, 43 doubles, 26 SB (hilariously, arguably a better year than your boy Reyes had last year)
Rumor! I don’t think Gm Brian Sabean will make a huge trade for Reyes. Don’t you know Sabean acquired the players no one wanted which the San Francisco Giants won a World Series championship with? Remember Cody Ross and Pat Burrrell? No one wanted them, now they are World Champs.
lol the only reason they got ross was to block san diego’s waiver claim
The likelihood of Reyes and the Mets parting company is slim, and even slimmer that Reyes would opt to move his family to the West Coast Long Term when he loves living where he is on Long Island and wants to continue to raise his kids there.
Reyes has repeatedly made it clear he wants to stay with the Mets. Should there be mutual interest – they’ll work out a reasonable 3-5 year deal. Right now Reyes is pretty much doing everything Alderson seeks, including high OBP. Now up to .370-something, playing great defense and accruing hits amongst most in the league, another 200 hit season in the works. At 27, he’s a keeper.
It would also be disaster for the front office if Mets refuse to offer fair deal and he leaves for either the Phillies or Yankees. At 27 years old, playing really good baseball, it’s hard to envision the Wilpons consenting to a trade or losing him to free agency.
But if that were to occur, there’s no doubt it will cost an acquiring team some heavy duty young, major league ready players. It’s hard to envision them seeking Brandon Belt who’s primarily a first baseman the Mets don’t need already having a fine young first baseman in Ike Davis. The Mets need near, or major league ready starting pitching and right hand, power-hitting, speedy outfield prospects. As well as middle infield.
But again, Reyes is healthy, wants to remain in NY and is playing the kind of baseball that only a fool would trade away, with fan uprising to follow.
While it is true Reyes has stated he wants to stay, a 3-5 year offer is not getting it done. If that’s the best the Mets can do, Reyes is as good as gone. He can get more years, to start with, in FA. If the Mets are serious about keeping him, they’re going to have to come up with a competitive offer somewhat in line with what he’s likely to be offered on FA.
Trading him mid season is not likely to return what he’s worth. Even given his age, his past performance before the injury ’09 season and his potential, no GM in his right mind is giving up much for a 1/2 season rental.
I also think it’s highly unlikely an extension with the potential trade team could be worked out unless it’s a team Reyes wants to play for. He’ll have plenty of offers in FA. If the Mets do wind up trading him, Reyes will finish the year for that team and contemplate the lucrative offers from multiple teams he’s likely to receive at the end of the season.
I think Reyes would give the Mets a hometown discount, so I see him accepting a 4 or 5 year deal if they offer it.
BUT, if he changes agents to say, Scott Boras, then all bets are off.
Hometown discount? When was the last time that happened? Would you give up *millions* of dollars to stay in New York? I know San Francisco is a terribly boring town and the weather is horrible compared to Long Island, but money is money 😉
Can’t beat California weather anywhere in the world!
I know, I was being facetious. *cheers*
The giants are stacked pitching wise. They can afford to give up either bumgardner or wheeler it just needs to come down to who do they think we project to be better down the road. I’d give up bum, a b prospect an see if they’ll take rowand. Another expiring contract
Pitching wins championships. Obviously. Do you seriously think the Giants would give up a young, good major league starter (good enough to blank the Texas Rangers for 8 innings in the World Series) for 3 months of Reyes?
Despite Reyes being an obvious upgrade, you’re forgetting that the entire Giants staff is a fly ball / strikeout staff, meaning quality defense at shortstop is NOT as important as it is on other teams. Is shortstop important? Yes. More important that a cheap, young stud starter + prospects? No. For 3 months? Not even close.
By the way, if you really think about it, MadBum is the kind of young stud that is going to save you 1-2 runs per game over a replacement starter. Can Reyes produce/save 1-2 runs a game? Perhaps, but then you have to factor what Tejada/replacement would save and add it to that. Just not worth it.
Matt Cain + for Reyes only
Lol!
Wow. Cain is too much straight up for Reyes let alone more with Cain. No way would I do this trade. The Mets aren’t looking for him. They’d rather have Bumgarner or Wheeler who are still very young, cheap, and controllable for awhile, not someone who’s making $15M next year. Stop dreaming and be realistic.
Agree with a lot of this, the Giants would offer Wheeler but not Belt or Bumgartner as the centerpiece for Reyes. Somebody out there might beat it.
Uhh 5 to 10 mil for Albert Pujols? Yeah good luck with that