The latest on both teams in the Big Apple…
- Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports says that Bob Melvin should be the Mets next manager because he "would be a calming influence in the New York storm."
- The Mets fired scouting director Rudy Terrasas according to SI.com's Jon Heyman (Twitter link). This isn't terribly surprising, new GM Sandy Alderson presumably wants his own guy in that position. ESPN New York's Adam Rubin reviews the five drafts that Terrasas oversaw and says he could remain with the team in another capacity (via Twitter).
- Bob Klapisch of The Bergen Record tweets that the rest of the Mets' front office is taking the day off as Alderson deals with his father's passing. Klapisch's source says that everyone will "compare notes" tomorrow in choosing the team's next manager.
- Brian Costello of The New York Post says that it's possible Derek Jeter's camp will not respond to the Yankees' recent three-year, $45MM contract offer, forcing the team to "come up with a new plan."
- Chad Jennings of The Journal News looks at three players connected to the Yankees this offseason (Bill Hall, Justin Upton, and Miguel Olivo) and says he isn't sold on any of them being a legitimate fit.
Let Jeter walk….see how he likes playing for the pirates for 1year at 4mil
I wish you were right…
But all the Yankees have ever done for Jeter is umm………Only everything he could have ever asked and they’re going to ignore the Yankees? Seriously?
If Casey Close ever did that I would consider other options…
Keep the inverse in mind as well. Think of all that Jeter has done for the Yankees. Haha
Yeah and they are offering him 3yr/45 which is twice his market value.
*cough* Bernie Williams *cough*
Drink some water…It sounds like you have a soar throat…
If Jeters camp doesn’t even respond then the Yankees should tell him good luck getting anything close to that on the open market. Then he will come crawling back in a few months.
Coming up with a new plan could involve a plan without Jeter. And no one would blame the Yankees one bit.
The Yankees should not give in, Jeter isn’t even worth what they are offering him now
if he doesn’t respond, tell him to come back in a few months when he’s willing to talk.
heres the problem. there is no other plan besides getting jeter. he’s your guy if your the yanks and you don’t want there to be angry ends after these talks are over. if im the yanks i would just let jeter know a gauranteed 4th yr. will not come into play;and that were willing to give you more money and we’ll add a mutual option to your 3 yrs. ending up with a contract like 3yr $60 mil and $10 mill. mutual option for 4th yr.
20mil a year is insane…he is the worst shortstop in the game defensively,and his bat is in a sharp decline
Yankees will get epic respect if they dont give into too Jeter, Jeter is a fraud
I don’t see a problem for the Yankees, other than a potential PR problem. But, if the discussion sticks to baseball, and more specifically on the field production…it’s a no-brainer to replace Jeter’s money with one or potentially two like or more-talented players who each would be younger. No, they wouldn’t have a history of achievement in pinstripes, or a connection with the fans, but trust me, Yankee fans would show up regardless of who batted lead-off, and who trotted out to Short, you can take that to the bank.
Not respond? Who are they kidding? And I bet he actually believes that he is a Gold Glove Shortstop, too? Welcome to Fantasy Island, Derek. Don’t blink Yankees, this is still a business, not a charity.
Question: Who else in this league would actually meet his price? Exactly, nobody. So, what gives him the right to ask for more than anyone else would be willing to pay?
Answer: Arrogance.
Please don’t fill the sack of the guy with the mask & the (toy) gun.
How is Justin Upton not a fit? Dude’s a fit for any team….
I agree with you…I guess the point is that the Yankees have 3 solid OF’s already…But the Diamondbacks would have to ask for Gardner is any deal with the Yankees…
I think I’d swap Granderson and Upton in a heartbeat. You think a trade of Brett Gardner, Austin Romine, Ivan Nova, and Dellin Betances is fair?
Fair, yes, but I think Towers can do better. If he can sub Nova and Romine for Montero i’d do it.
i think thats a good trade, for both sides. if i’m az i’d really try to get montero instead of romine. that might be too much. i think that’s the point though (from az’s perspective)
Jeter, should be giving thanks, that the Yankees would even offer him that much.
Justin Upton would be a fit with any team in MLB!
yeah he is
On Jeter, let him walk and sign Orlando Cabrera for $5 million and one year. Then use the left over money to sign Crawford and Lee. Then trade Gardner to San Francisco for Sergio Romo.
i dont think youre getting romo for gardner.
Jeter has been my favorite player since I’ve started watching baseball, that said, if he feels he’s worth more than the overly generous offer of 15 per, then let him walk. It’s ridiculous if he wants anything more than that.
Also, how is Justin Upton not a fit for the team? He’s a fit for any team in baseball.
I’m getting tired of seeing absurd offers for Upton. This kid has plenty of talent and all the tools….but last I looked, he’s a .270 hitter with 17 hrs, 150+ strikeouts and a bum shoulder. You don’t give up the farm HOPIING he’ll be a stud one day…especially when you have three good OF’s right now. His brother BJ was supposed to be the second coming too…how’s that working out?
What the Yankees COULD do is trade say, Gardner and Joba for Stephen Drew…and then put Jeter in LF. Not saying that will happen…but Jeter would be better off playing there and Drew is said to be available.
Jeter in LF? that is a yuck thought
BJ and Justin Upton are two different people.
Justin Upton is 23 years old and had a 3.1 WAR in a down year. Batting average isn’t the best way to evaluate a player. He had a .356 OBP which was still decent.
I think we’re underestimating the Yankee fans here. They love Jeter, as they should, but if the Yanks let him walk because they he wants twice as much (or more) than he’s worth and replace him with someone that produces better, do we really think the fans are gonna be mad at the Yanks instead of Jeter? Sure it’s not like other sports with a cap and the Yanks are capable of paying him whatever he wants, but would the majority of fans really blame the Yankees for not wanting to pay a slightly above-average player (performance-wise at this point) $20+ mil per year?
How is his offer absurd? I personally think it’s light…
Upton hit .270 with 17 hrs and 152 K’s this year AND has a bum shoulder and questionable work ethic. Why the hell would the Yankees give away 2 top pitching prospects, one of the best catching prospects in the game and one of the best defensive outfielders in baseball for THAT? Especially when OF is not a problem in the least. That offer is absolutely laughable. Subbing in Montero? You obviously aren’t familair with the Yankees at all dude.
I went to about 30 Yankees games last season and follow all of the levels of the Yankees organization. I know a ton about the Yankees. Perhaps you aren’t familiar with Justin Upton. He is 23 years old and had a great ’09. Sky is the limit to his potential. Plus, his high OBP of this season crosses out his .273 average.
Its going to take a ton to lure him out of Arizona. I say Montero/Gardner/Betances is close to fair.
Montero is a better prospect that Upton HIMSELF…and at a position where they actually have a NEED.
I disagree with you big time and am not going to argue this, but I can tell you that your percieved value of Upton is off.
I didn’t know DH is a Yankee position of need.
Montero is a great prospect who has done nothing in the bigs (yet) and could ultimately wind up a DH/1B type, particularly because the Yanks have Romine as well. Upton is already a bona fide star in the bigs with a truly limitless ceiling. Therefore, Upton > Montero. Montero may very well turn into a stud, but Upton is already the kind of guy you build an entire franchise around.
Your point about need is a good one though. Upton is awesome and any team would like to have him, but if you’re giving up your top prospect, you have to get THE missing piece. If the Yanks get a front line starter out of trading Montero, then it’s worth it…but for Upton, I think the Yanks are better served by holding onto their top prospects and rolling with their already solid outfield.
thats ridiculous.
Upton was one of the most hyped prospects.
The yankees are losing that trade, maybe not buy a ton, but by a lot. Betances is one of the best pitching prospects, montero is if not the best offensive prospects in baseball then one of them, and Gardner is a .280 hitter in the big league who can steal 50 bases. You put all that together for at best .320, 30, 30, 100. While that’s impressive all the talent given away is not worth the return in my mind. I think Banuelos, Gardner, Romine/Sanchez, and Joba or another pitcher is pretty fair.
That’s barely a step down from my proposal. Pretty equal though.
It’s a step down because Betances is viewed as the starter with more potential compared to Banuelos, and Montero > Romine/Sanchez. Joba provides little value to the yankees at this point. If you can get away with giving them Sanchez instead of Romine, the yankees gain alot without draining out their system.
They have their future catcher in Romine, future dh in montero, future outfielder in Upton. They lose banuelos who wouldn’t provide as much as Betances can/will, they lose gardner for upton, and joba who has fallen to a middle relief pitcher, but could still be successful in the big leagues. And they lose Sanchez but keep romine and montero.
The Dbacks get a future starter, a future catcher, and an mlb ready outfielder and leadoff hitter in one. They also get someone in joba who needs a change of scenery and could potentially become a dominant starter again, or become a closer if he can ever fix his problems.
i think montero or betances has to be in it. gardner/montero/banuelos or gardner/betances/sanchez/stoneburner or someone similar
I think one would probably have to be in the deal, but if you can take them both out and give 2 more B+ prospect instead of one A prospect you could probably get away with it. Especially if one of the B+ is Banuelos, then you just need one more.gardner/banuelos/sanchez/stoneburner/joba or nova?out of curiosity not for this deal, does david robertson have any value?
i think if you trade robertson you’re selling low. just my opinion. so i guess i would say he does have value.
i think if you trade robertson you’re selling low. just my opinion. so i guess i would say he does have value.
Not really. You get one player who let’s say, pans out. However the other team gets two prospects that eventually pan out to their potential and a solid big leaguer. Who won this trade Spandemonium?
High Potential doesen’t always mean he’s gonna definetly pan out. There’s a chance he could end up a bust, and no not because B.J., and I do not question him, but i’d rather take a chance with my own prospects, rather than take a chance with someone elses and end up being a bust. There’s alot of skepticism around the game, and seeing at all the busts we’ve seen, there’s a damn good reason why.
High Potential doesen’t always mean he’s gonna definetly pan out. There’s a chance he could end up a bust, and no not because B.J., and I do not question him, but i’d rather take a chance with my own prospects, rather than take a chance with someone elses and end up being a bust. There’s alot of skepticism around the game, and seeing at all the busts we’ve seen, there’s a damn good reason why.
i wouldnt call nova a “top pitching prospect”.
In other news the Mets are on this post right?
Everyone is dumping blame on Jeter and his “greediness” but we have to remember that it is a business for both sides.
Remember, it’s not Jeter doing the talking; it’s his agents who represent him. They are probably feeding him information and advising him not to take the deal. What do you pay agents for? To get the most out of a contract.
Yes, it is Jeter’s decision in the end but some agents can be very persuasive. (Scott Boras anyone?) Guys like Boras can make players think they are worth 10 times what they’re actually worth. The sad part is, many times, Boras also convinces many GM’s into offering overpriced deals.
I don’t think the Yankees should up their offer but I’m also not going to blame Jeter and his agents for wanting as much as possible. They have the right to ask for whatever they want. However, it is up to the Yankees if they will actually give in.
First of all, it isn’t Bill James, second of all that’s really messed up.
Kids? Most of the people on here are really smart and not little kids as you’re making them seem…You obviously know your Baseball, seriously, but Blackcourt and the projections of Fangraphs are right…Plus I’m barely a kid. I’ll be 18 soon.
I think UZR is so subjective and im starting to back away from it myself. Considering the fact that it says Cano is below average defensively, I don’t think I trust it. There was a play last season (vs Baltimore?), a ball was on Jeter’s side of 2nd base and Cano got to it, used his cannon and threw the guy out at first. ARE YOU TELLING ME CANO HAS BAD RANGE???
I almost didn’t reply to this, since I can see that you’re one of those Yankees fans that values their players / prospects to over three times their actual value, but I’ll give a rebuttal anyway… Think about what we’ve learned over the past week or so about Upton.
-Kevin Towers isn’t devoted to trading him. He’s in the driver’s seat.
-It’s going to take a package of 4-5 players to acquire Upton.
-Towers also wants a “big name” player to replace Upton, who is a fan favorite.
Like someone said above, I’m surprised there wasn’t more outrage about me not including Jesus Montero in the package, but I don’t think that the Yankees would part with both Montero and Austin Romine, who I think would be more valuable to the D’backs, seeing as he projects to be a better catcher, whereas Montero is more than likely to move to first base, where his defense is questionable.
A couple of people have been saying that your perceived value of Justin Upton is off, and I’m going to have to agree. The Yanks’ are getting a premium, controlled talent, and the D’backs are getting a speedy outfielder for the top of their order, two promising arms, and a talented catcher. That being said, the blue chip prospect isn’t there, so it’s unlikely Kevin Towers even accepts this deal. It’s definitely not absurd though. Lol
No. If they ignore the offer screw them. Yeah I said it. Regardless of Jeter being face of the franchise/Top 5 Yank ever ect., They do need to draw the line right there. I don’t care what Jeter wants(and I love Jeter), when the team itself is trying to rebuild and get younger to stay on the attack for the next few years. What he has done for the Yankees means nothing now, considering it was them themselves who got Jeter there. Who’s gonna look worse, a selfish Jeter who still want a whole bunch of money @ 37 years of age and in steep decline, or the Yankees, who show they want to keep their star SS, but at the same time, trying to rebuild and get younger for the future? You decide.
Mark Ellis, Dustin Pedroia, Ian Kinsler are probably better fielders than Cano. You’re talking about being subjective, isn’t judging with your eyes subjective?