The Royals will listen to offers for the 2009 Cy Young Award winner, but not every club has a realistic shot at acquiring him. Zack Greinke will be able to block trades to half of the teams in baseball between now and the 2011 trade deadline, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The Kansas City Star recently reported that Greinke would be able to block deals to eight to ten teams, but FOX Sports is reporting that he’ll have even more leverage.
Greinke’s contract runs through 2012, but he loses the right to block trades after next year’s July 31st trade deadline, according to Morosi. The right-hander could block trades to 20 teams including the Yankees and Red Sox during the 2009-10 seasons. Small market teams including the Rays were on Greinke’s list of acceptable destinations from 2009-10 (it’s possible that the list has since changed). Potential suitors will face a $13.5MM salary in both 2011 and 2012 plus the Royals’ asking price in prospects.
Time to make your move Minnesota. Just DO NOT offer Aaron Hicks. DO NOT. Grienke, Liriano, Gibson, Slowey, Duensing. OMG.
Pass. Grienke really has only had 1 stellar year, and the Royals are going to ask for a King’s Ransom.
No, he had one INSANELY good year. Then 2 other stellar years (2008 and 2010). His xFIP was under 3.8 both those years and FIP under 3.6.
Crazy how good he was despite the insanely bad defense behind him.
“Crazy how good he was despite the insanely bad defense behind him.”
Or the alarming lack of offensive support he got when he pitched.
I wouldn’t call his 2008 3.56 FIP stellar. More like.. average. Zach Greinke is somewhere between an ace and a #2 starter.
I also don’t expect the Royals to get the return that is as beastly as some people think. Having a NTC that removes half the field lowers his value because of less teams driving up the price, especially with the Yankees and Red Sox out of the mix.
His value will be higher next off-season.
He has had more than 1 stellar yr bro. It just happens that the only yr you are giving him credit for was the one where he won the Cy. In 6 seasons he has posted an ERA under 4 every yr but 2x(last yr was 4.17-still respectable). Honestly he has only posted one bad yr as a starter and that was his 2nd yr in when he went 5-17 w/ an ERA just south of 6. Just saying he has proven to be reliable, consistent, and successful while playing for one of the worst franchises in all of baseball(in fact it’s a toss-up who is worse really-the Pirates or Royals). He is an ace and would be a welcome addition to any rotation.
If they move him in the division expect the Royals to ask for than what you offered…
Um…no way do you even sniff Greinke unless at least one of Hicks/Gibson is in the deal. The Royals WILL ask for both if they trade in the division (not likely).
Think Roy Halladay type of deal, Greinke is younger and numbers are nearly as good the last 3 years.
I can see the Twins moving Hicks because of our OF depth in both the majors and minors, but if the Royals ask for Gibson, the Twins won’t have Grienke.
I atill wouldn’t move Hicks. I’d rather have him than Morales, Revere or any other OF prospect right now.(Dom Brown is in the Majors)
I can see the Twins moving Hicks because of our OF depth in both the majors and minors, but if the Royals ask for Gibson, the Twins won’t have Grienke.
“Halladay but younger”
No.
you forgot, no, no, and hellllll no
would the twins really ask for greinke and subject themselves to 7 years of facing a divisional opponent whose foundation likely includes aaron kicks and/or kyle gibson + other current twins prospects/players?
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I really hope I can stop seeing these Grienke to Yankees proposals.
Don’t worry, he won’t accept a deal to them.
Very good pitcher but he would melt under the bright lights of NY. Takes a special type of personality to excel in NY and he’s not that type. I applaud that he has had the foresight to admit it and steer more towards small market environments…
Blah, Blah, Blah. Bright lights B.S.. NY is a dying star at the moment. The Mets are worthless and the Yankees are two more, over 33 year old, muti-year, eleventy bijillion dollar deals away from being the oldest under performing teams in baseball. Say hello to 1981 NY, except I dont see another Donnie Baseball in your future.
Very good pitcher but he would melt under the bright lights of NY. Takes a special type of personality to excel in NY and he’s not that type. I applaud that he has had the foresight to admit it and steer more towards small market environments…
i wish he didnt block the orioles, but i would block us if i were him too
The Orioles would be an interesting team for him to go to.
Being on a horrible team helps keep the spotlight off of him so he might like playing for the O’s
I really like that! Small market teams have the edge for a premium pitcher for a change — if they can foot the bill.
I’d bet anything his previous psychological issues are a major source of that. But I agree completely – an awesome change of pace.
It’s also possible that he’s blocked those teams as a negotiating tool. You know, he could drop his no trade clause if the big market team offers up a nice extension, etc… He wouldn’t block the Pirates in hopes of getting an extension out of them because an extension from them isn’t likely to happen one way or the other, but a trade to say, Boston or NY could still be complete, if they pony up. I think the psychological issues may be part of the reason but I seriously doubt if it’s all of it. Remember, he’s still pitching in front of thousands of people every night, not to mention being on ESPN and every local news station etc…. The no-trade teams may be for his comfort but I’d guess it’s also for his financial benefit as well.
Besides, he still has to pitch in the big markets no matter who he’s pitching for. Without looking I’d guess he’s done pretty well in road starts in big cities the last three years. I think big market teams fans who are shying away from him are making a mistake.
That’s totally different though. It’s about how the home media portrays him. If he pitches bad against the Yankees or Cubs, those papers/media people may call him out but it’ll be a one time brief thing.
And it’s also about the size of the city and living somewhere. He’ll be hounded more in a big market. Some people just like the casual/quiet life.
Greinke nearly retired from baseball to “cut grass for a living” as he put it as he just doesn’t like being around a ton of people and being the center of attention all the time.
If he gets traded to Boston, NY, or Chicago…that’s EXACTLY what he’ll become.
Reds need an ace and have talent to spare. Smaller market is probably best for him psychologically and the Reds are clearly set up to compete over the next 2 years. Sounds like a perfect fit to me.
Reds do make a TON of sense for Greinke.
Would be interesting to see if the Reds would be willing to offer up Leake in addition to prospects. I know the Royals don’t have a true need for Alonso but maybe getting a 3rd team involved would help.
Royals could always pull a Blue Jay-move and get a guy like Alonso then flip him ala Michael Taylor from the Halladay deal.
That be okay if they involved a third team…
I dont see where they would be a perfect fit one of Reds top prospects is at 1B which the Royals dont need… The Royals should be looking for OF,MI and SP… Thats why I think the best fit would be Tampa. They have three guys the Royals would love to have Jennings, Hellickson and Brignac… I am not sure the Rays would be willing to deal all these guys but the Royals could ask…as a Royals fan not sure it could get better than that…
Reds don’t have guys of the caliber Hellickson and Brignac, but could provide a very nice package of major league or major league ready talent. Obviously the Royals don’t need Alonso or Mesoraco given their prospects, but other availables could include: SP Edinson Volquez, SP Mike Leake, SP Travis Wood, SP Homer Bailey, SP Matt Maloney, 3B/OF Todd Frazier, SS Zack Cozart, 2B Chris Valaika, OF Dave Sappelt, OF Chris Heisey, OF Danny Dorn. What the Reds lack in elite talent, they have in depth.
Considering Greinke’s salary and leverage, I’m not sure the Royals are going to get 2 elite prospects, let alone 3 such as those from the Rays.
I may be wrong, but the Royals will be looking for at least one elite prospect.
I would say at least two elite prospects… There is no need to trade Grienke if they are not getting knocked off their feet by crazy offers…The Royals better get back two every day starters or this deal will be another bust…
They may be looking for two, but I doubt they will get two.. Johan Santana was about the same age as Grienke when the Twins traded him and he got them zero elite prospects.
Thats fine by me… Just means we get to keep our ace!
Realistically, if the market is one elite prospect plus others you would pass? You would rather pay Grienke 25 million, continue to be in the cellar of the AL central, then let him walk instead of getting something back you can use in 2 years when the Royals could actually be good?
You dont get… it this trade does not need to happen for us to be good… Our farm system is loaded…So yes I would rather keep Grienke…
They may be looking for two, but I doubt they will get two.. Johan Santana was about the same age as Grienke when the Twins traded him and he got them zero elite prospects.
The Reds could easily match any package that any other team put out there.
I don’t see them trading Wood, Chapman, or Mesoraco or major league bats like Votto, Bruce or Stubbs.
However a package built around Cueto or Volquez, a solid young OF like Heisey, a ready power prospect like Juan Fransisco, and a elite talent that is a few years away like Yorman Rodriguez could be enough for Greinke and Alex Gordon.
Royals get a young front line starter to replace Greinke that isn’t all minor league numbers but is still under team control for three or four more years, they get a solid young OF that has hit at every level, but likely projects to be a 4th OF fringe starter, they get a 3B/LF that has frightening power which their team has lacked in recent years and they’d get a potential five tool OF that is starting to come into his own that could easily turn the deal into a clear win for the Royals.
The Reds get a sure fire ace that they may be able to extend for reasonable dollars, say in the 15-17 a year range, and they get a 3B/LF that could be a solid player. I think Gordon needs a change of scenery like Homer Bailey does for the Reds. It wouldn’t be a deal breaker if the Reds couldn’t get him added on, but with Rolen only able to go around 100-120 games a year having a serviceable caddy available for him that could take his place wouldn’t be a bad thing.
Another poster on a Reds board suggested a similar three team deal with Alonso going to the Rays for Wade Davis, and then Davis being flipped to KC instead of including Yorman.
The Reds could easily match any package that any other team put out there.
I don’t see them trading Wood, Chapman, or Mesoraco or major league bats like Votto, Bruce or Stubbs.
However a package built around Cueto or Volquez, a solid young OF like Heisey, a ready power prospect like Juan Fransisco, and a elite talent that is a few years away like Yorman Rodriguez could be enough for Greinke and Alex Gordon.
Royals get a young front line starter to replace Greinke that isn’t all minor league numbers but is still under team control for three or four more years, they get a solid young OF that has hit at every level, but likely projects to be a 4th OF fringe starter, they get a 3B/LF that has frightening power which their team has lacked in recent years and they’d get a potential five tool OF that is starting to come into his own that could easily turn the deal into a clear win for the Royals.
The Reds get a sure fire ace that they may be able to extend for reasonable dollars, say in the 15-17 a year range, and they get a 3B/LF that could be a solid player. I think Gordon needs a change of scenery like Homer Bailey does for the Reds. It wouldn’t be a deal breaker if the Reds couldn’t get him added on, but with Rolen only able to go around 100-120 games a year having a serviceable caddy available for him that could take his place wouldn’t be a bad thing.
Another poster on a Reds board suggested a similar three team deal with Alonso going to the Rays for Wade Davis, and then Davis being flipped to KC instead of including Yorman.
Reds don’t have guys of the caliber Hellickson and Brignac, but could provide a very nice package of major league or major league ready talent. Obviously the Royals don’t need Alonso or Mesoraco given their prospects, but other availables could include: SP Edinson Volquez, SP Mike Leake, SP Travis Wood, SP Homer Bailey, SP Matt Maloney, 3B/OF Todd Frazier, SS Zack Cozart, 2B Chris Valaika, OF Dave Sappelt, OF Chris Heisey, OF Danny Dorn. What the Reds lack in elite talent, they have in depth.
Considering Greinke’s salary and leverage, I’m not sure the Royals are going to get 2 elite prospects, let alone 3 such as those from the Rays.
The Rays won’t part with Jennings or Hellickson though. Rays are way, way more likely to deal Garza to make room for Hellickson in the rotation. And Jennings is needed to replace Crawford in LF.
Rays don’t need SP and are a pretty bad fit for Grienke. Brignac would be nice for the Royals…but not nearly enough for Greinke obviously.
I can see them dealing Shields more than Garza. Either way, there is no chance he goes to the Rays.
If a deal was to happen in Tampa I could see one of three Butler, Soria or DeJesus being added to the deal to help pull of these guys back… Prospects are just prospects when it comes down to it and Jennings or Hellickson could be bust… Royals are proven to be everyday ball players.
The Rays would be better off having two proven players from the Royals than two prospects from their system…? Keep in mind one is a proven ace that wont break the bank…
Would the Rays win more games in the few years with?
Grienke and DeJesus or Hellickson, Jennings and Brignac
I can’t believe you mentioned Soria in between Butler and Dejesus. You make Soria sound like a throw in instead of a top 3 closer on an insanely team friendly contract. The Royals could get a bundle by dealing Soria and Greinke individually instead of in some package where his value is diluted.
Your right I shouldnt have done that; Soria is a beast…
The Rays won’t part with Jennings or Hellickson though. Rays are way, way more likely to deal Garza to make room for Hellickson in the rotation. And Jennings is needed to replace Crawford in LF.
Rays don’t need SP and are a pretty bad fit for Grienke. Brignac would be nice for the Royals…but not nearly enough for Greinke obviously.
The Reds do make sense if the talent they’re willing to part with matches up with what KC wants. With Harang coming off the books and the extra money they earned by making the playoffs this year they shouldn’t have a problem affording Greinke.
Thats just it I dont see the talent matching up with what the Royals needs are unless maybe a 3rd team was to get involved like Hermie 13 said…
Yeah. The Cubs could take a shot at Yonder, maybe they could be the third team and ship KC some pitching or a guy like Hak-Ju Lee. Reds get Greinke, Cubs get Alonso, Royals get Lee plus everything else Cincy has to send them. Frankly though I haven’t been all that impressed with Alonso lately, unless there’s something going on that I don’t know about his numbers just don’t look that impressive. Is he still considered a good prospect nationally or just a good prospect in the Reds system?
Yeah. The Cubs could take a shot at Yonder, maybe they could be the third team and ship KC some pitching or a guy like Hak-Ju Lee. Reds get Greinke, Cubs get Alonso, Royals get Lee plus everything else Cincy has to send them. Frankly though I haven’t been all that impressed with Alonso lately, unless there’s something going on that I don’t know about his numbers just don’t look that impressive. Is he still considered a good prospect nationally or just a good prospect in the Reds system?
he would love a nl team – he wants to hit – but tampa wouldn’t be out of the question since he is from that area.
he would love a nl team – he wants to hit – but tampa wouldn’t be out of the question since he is from that area.
Deal him to the Red sox for Papelbon
That makes no sense on sooooo many levels.
I wish there was a facepalm smiley.
Dude he is not going to Yankees or Red Sox first of all and Paplebon? Lol…
They don’t even want him for a hot dog.
I wish there was a facepalm smiley.
Dude he is not going to Yankees or Red Sox first of all and Paplebon? Lol…
They don’t even want him for a hot dog.
Haha what a joke. Papelbon will make about 12M next year after arbitration. Not only would that make no sense for the small budget Royals, but they already have an allstar closer. The Red Sox couldn’t give him away.
Haha what a joke. Papelbon will make about 12M next year after arbitration. Not only would that make no sense for the small budget Royals, but they already have an allstar closer. The Red Sox couldn’t give him away.
There’s no period at the end of your sentence so I assume that you meant to add a lot more to that trade offer than just Papelbon. That’s the only thing that makes sense to me since small-market KC already has a great closer and can’t afford to pay another one, who’s possibly regressing, $12 million a year all for the pleasure of giving up one of the best young starters in the game. No, Papelbon isn’t getting it done. Maybe him, Anderson (though KC doesn’t really need an overhyped firstbase prospect), Lowrie and other, real, prospects (meaning guys like Nava don’t make the cut).
The Royals would also have to include Soria and Butler right? If they don’t the Red Sox will just throw in dice-k to get them to do it.
One of the reasons that these guys have a NTC is so that they can leverage a better deal if a trade is in the works. OF COURSE they’re going to put the wealthier clubs on the list of no trade teams.
A better bargain for the bucks would be another G Man, such as Guthrie or maybe Garza.
Guthrie is definitely not a better bargain for the bucks. Greinke >>>>>>>>>>>> Guthrie.
Could have something on Garza though, but Greinke’s FIP numbers are vastly superior to Garza’s. And Garza isn’t exactly going to be cheap going forward as he has 3 more arbitration years coming up after being Super Two this year.
Guthrie is definitely not a better bargain for the bucks. Greinke >>>>>>>>>>>> Guthrie.
Could have something on Garza though, but Greinke’s FIP numbers are vastly superior to Garza’s. And Garza isn’t exactly going to be cheap going forward as he has 3 more arbitration years coming up after being Super Two this year.
how does a PLAYERS NO TRADE leverage a team to work a better trade? a NTC HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PACKAGE DEAL!…it means the player does not want to be on that team (if its a limited and there is a list) or if its a full it means the player either has 10-5 or simply wants to stay with the team as long as he can…most players use NTC to get better original contracts they have nothing to do with trade deals
Exactly. There are some players that use the NTC to get an extension, but that’s not what they originally put them in their contracts for.
NTC’s are bargaining tools when it comes to the actual trade. In order to get the player to drop their team from the NTC they offer extensions, etc… Why do you think so many player have blocked the Yankees with the NTC powers? It’s not because they don’t want to play for the Yankees, it’s because of what they can extract from the Yankees using the NTC.
NTC’s are bargaining tools when it comes to the actual trade. In order to get the player to drop their team from the NTC they offer extensions, etc… Why do you think so many player have blocked the Yankees with the NTC powers? It’s not because they don’t want to play for the Yankees, it’s because of what they can extract from the Yankees using the NTC.
It absolutely does. Want an example. See Roy Oswalt and Roy Halladay. oswalt wanted but didn’t get his 2012 option picked up. Halladay leveraged an extension. Of course the Phillies WANTED to extend him but w/o the no trade but it is what it is.
You are dead wrong. A NTC gives the player huge leverage if and when the time comes that the club he signed the contract with wants to trade him. An NTC is often paired with an option that will have to be picked up, or the player can demand an extension, a la Santana to the Mets. NTC is all about money, as well as protecting the player from being shipped to a town where he does not want to play.
how does a PLAYERS NO TRADE leverage a team to work a better trade? a NTC HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PACKAGE DEAL!…it means the player does not want to be on that team (if its a limited and there is a list) or if its a full it means the player either has 10-5 or simply wants to stay with the team as long as he can…most players use NTC to get better original contracts they have nothing to do with trade deals
You beat me to the punch but excellent observation. I do think he honestly doesn’t want any part of Ny or possibly Boston but any good agent would insist on a no-trade to the usual big market suspects simply for no other reason that to leverage the waive of the clause for more money in terms of a bonus or for an extension. it’s just good business and not always a blatant dislike for a team.
Why would someone want a pitcher who wouldnt want to pitch on the big stage? say a small market team get him he pitches great and !BEWM! theyre in the playoffs.. automatic big stage.. would his psychological issues cause him to lose control and ruin the series.. thats the bigger question. I wouldnt want him on my team unless he can pitch in the post season. 18-21 wins would be nice but 0 and whatever would piss me off.
I agree, don’t pay a guy to be an ace in the regular season, but not in the playoffs. But if he’s the #2 guy for a team like the Rays, it should work out
Grienke would be your Ace on the staff you have now check the stats…
Price > Grienke
Grienke would be your Ace on the staff you have now check the stats…
Why would the Rays be looking for a $13 million pitcher? Check out the Rays pitching stats in 2010. They had five starters who made at least 29 starts, and two more starters they could slot in in case of injury. If anything the Rays could consider moving someone. They are one of the least likely teams to be looking for starting help, especially considering their need to slash payroll next season.
Why would the Rays be looking for a $13 million pitcher? Check out the Rays pitching stats in 2010. They had five starters who made at least 29 starts, and two more starters they could slot in in case of injury. If anything the Rays could consider moving someone. They are one of the least likely teams to be looking for starting help, especially considering their need to slash payroll next season.
I doubt he minds pitching in big crowds or anything. He just doesn’t like cameras and dudes up at his face asking him… well mostly pointless questions. He can handle a few but if he is pitching for say the Yankees and they lose in the playoffs, he is going to have like 20 media reporters up at his face.
Personally, I think he would succeed well on a team that’s well built around him and has a good rotation, maybe even a better ace so he doesn’t have to have handle all the pressure.
Sounds like a Twin to me..
No, that’s not really how that type of psychological issue works. He’s not necessarily afraid of people or larger crowds, he’s not afraid of pressure. Those things may have an affect on him but by this point it shouldn’t be show stopper type stuff because as he matures and gains experience the symptoms that were disabling to him when he was younger won’t be there anymore, or at least he’ll be able to control them and possibly even use them to his advantage. I’m not saying he’d thrive in playoff baseball or a large market but he certainly very well could as well.
I have a lot of confidence in Greinke and I think he needs a fresh start
I don’t see him going anywhere in the AL. In the NL, you can probably rule out:
Mets – market
Philly – market
Nats – not enough in system that they would deal
Marlins – payroll, and Stanton probably untouchable
Brewers – not enough in the system — KC doesn’t need Prince
Astros – not enough in system
Pirates – not enough in system
Cards – that would be torture on KC fans — they have little other then Miller anyway.
Dodgers – market
Giants — do they really NEED more SP?
So that leaves Braves, Cubs, Reds, Padres, D-Backs & Rockies as the most realistic shots. If I were Dayton Moore, I would ask for
ATL – Tehran +
CHI – S. Castro +
CIN – ?? Wood/Bruce?
SD – Tate +
ARI – Drew + a lot
COL – Friederich + Chacin + someone else
Wait why don’t you see him going to any AL teams?
I think Brewers and Royals could make a trade. Most likely a 3-way trade though. Prince is traded to 3rd team for prospects, prospects are then flipped to Kansas. They get their prospects and Brewers get an ace and a great pitcher which they need. Only problem would be finding that 3rd team which you can find at the deadline IMO.
Colorado could be a good match.
Wait why don’t you see him going to any AL teams?
I think Brewers and Royals could make a trade. Most likely a 3-way trade though. Prince is traded to 3rd team for prospects, prospects are then flipped to Kansas. They get their prospects and Brewers get an ace and a great pitcher which they need. Only problem would be finding that 3rd team which you can find at the deadline IMO.
Colorado could be a good match.
I disagree on the Astros. Their system is vastly improved. I doubt they’d part with it for Greinke at this stage, but they could definitely get him if they wanted.
Same with the Pirates. They could build a nice package for him….though makes no sense. Rule the Pirates out….but because they are so far from competing that giving up prospects is dumb.
And why rule out the Giants because or their pitching…..and not the Braves? Lowe, Hudson, Hanson, Jurrjens, etc…..Giants rotatoin is better, but not by a whole heck of a lot. Braves may actually move starting pitchig as they have an abundance.
And why rule out the AL? Royals have dealt in their own division before. They definitely would consider trading Greinke to an AL East or West team.
I disagree on the Astros. Their system is vastly improved. I doubt they’d part with it for Greinke at this stage, but they could definitely get him if they wanted.
Same with the Pirates. They could build a nice package for him….though makes no sense. Rule the Pirates out….but because they are so far from competing that giving up prospects is dumb.
And why rule out the Giants because or their pitching…..and not the Braves? Lowe, Hudson, Hanson, Jurrjens, etc…..Giants rotatoin is better, but not by a whole heck of a lot. Braves may actually move starting pitchig as they have an abundance.
And why rule out the AL? Royals have dealt in their own division before. They definitely would consider trading Greinke to an AL East or West team.
I don’t think Chacin is available. However, I can see a deal centering around Friedrich.
I don’t think Chacin is available. However, I can see a deal centering around Friedrich.
The Braves? Really? The Braves are operating with a limited budget, most of which is already committed to starting pitching. So, as good as Grinke is, The Braves can’t afford him. The Braves need outfielders. Not starters. Also I don’t see them moving Teheran for anyone. They have a lot of excellent pitching prospects to trade for the right player. Teheran is not one of them. Also, I don’t think the Cubs or Padres have the payroll flexibility to add a guy like Greinke.
The Reds won’t deal Bruce, they’re already short a LF why open a new hole in RF to fill what isn’t a major need for them. Bruce is coming into his own, he just had a sneaky very good season, would have been a great year if not for his massive slump in July. Even though the Reds were labeled a great offensive team they really aren’t, they need Bruce more then Greinke, honestly they need a LF that can hit cleanup more then Greinke. Wood is a lefty and right now I would say he’s their number 2 or 3 pitcher. Really don’t see them moving him or Leake. They’d likely will center the deal around Cueto, Volquez, or Bailey and their minor league talent.
The Reds won’t deal Bruce, they’re already short a LF why open a new hole in RF to fill what isn’t a major need for them. Bruce is coming into his own, he just had a sneaky very good season, would have been a great year if not for his massive slump in July. Even though the Reds were labeled a great offensive team they really aren’t, they need Bruce more then Greinke, honestly they need a LF that can hit cleanup more then Greinke. Wood is a lefty and right now I would say he’s their number 2 or 3 pitcher. Really don’t see them moving him or Leake. They’d likely will center the deal around Cueto, Volquez, or Bailey and their minor league talent.
The dodgers may be a big market but we have an extremely laid back atmosphere.
Dodgers – market
LMAO that will not be a problem.
Dodgers – market
LMAO that will not be a problem.
everyone needs to chill out on this is everyone forgetting he has huge anxiety issues? Issues so big it benched him what was it 2 years ago, and he was almost out of baseball before winning the cy young….I doubt he goes to a big team…if he does it will be because the trade cant be blocked and its a huge deal to get him but think this any team getting him knows about his mental health issues meaning that any day he could “crack” and be useless to them. I’m not trying to dig at him at all for having mental health issues, its a very big problem that does not get any where near enough attention as it deserves but more than likely a big market team with huge fan bases that are not very kind..ie NY, boston, and Philly will not get him because he will more than likely not be able to handle it there…
everyone needs to chill out on this is everyone forgetting he has huge anxiety issues? Issues so big it benched him what was it 2 years ago, and he was almost out of baseball before winning the cy young….I doubt he goes to a big team…if he does it will be because the trade cant be blocked and its a huge deal to get him but think this any team getting him knows about his mental health issues meaning that any day he could “crack” and be useless to them. I’m not trying to dig at him at all for having mental health issues, its a very big problem that does not get any where near enough attention as it deserves but more than likely a big market team with huge fan bases that are not very kind..ie NY, boston, and Philly will not get him because he will more than likely not be able to handle it there…
Easiest NTC to predict ever. I said this weeks ago.
The Brewers have plenty in the system for Greinke. Doug Melvin will be very aggressive for Greinke if Greinke doesn’t have the Brewers on his no trade clause. Doug Melvin over the last 3 seasons has traded for Sabathia. He also tried to get Peavy but he got hurt and that nixed the deal. He also had a deal in place for Roy Halladay, but Halladay didn’t want to come to Milwaukee. The Brewers GM will be aggressive for Greinke, and it would be a mistake to underestimate Doug Melvin. Count on the Brewers being involved.
Brewers trade Brett Lawrie and Carlos Gomez for Greinke…Simple solution
With Weeks FINALLY showing the talent he has last year, we need to lock him up, so no need for Lawrie.
In a second trade, Brewers trade Prince to White sox for Gavin Floyd and Dayan Viciedo
Brewers rotation for 2011 – Greinke, Gallardo, Floyd, Wolf and Capuano or Webb (in a separate deal)
stallis10,
It will take more then that to get Greinke. I’m thinking Lawrie, Jeffress, and Gamel or Rivas and maybe a low level prospect to get Greinke.
The other option would be to explorer a 3-team trade. Something like Fielder + a prospect+cash to the 3rd team, and then the 3rd team sends top prospects to KC, and the Brewers get Greinke. This would be ideal for the Brewers and they would be able to keep the majority of their top prospects. Perhaps even go after another top pitcher like Matt Garza or they could just plug in those top prospects into their major league roster.
gomez has little to no value. it would be Lawrie+Jefress(i would say Gamel, but they already have 2 very good 1st and 3rd base prospects-Moustakes and Hosmer).
That trade is worse.
I feel like Bill Smith may be pressured into making a move here. He pushed hard for Cliff Lee and even went on the record saying he tried hard to get him. Now an ace with two years left is available at a reasonable salary. There is just no excuse to pass on him.
I feel like Bill Smith may be pressured into making a move here. He pushed hard for Cliff Lee and even went on the record saying he tried hard to get him. Now an ace with two years left is available at a reasonable salary. There is just no excuse to pass on him.
Ok so first I just want to say I think Zach Greinke is insanely overrated, but thats not my point here. Some team may acquire Greinke to be their ace and if that team with him makes the playoffs will he be able to pitch with the pressure of the postseason? He has that social anxiety disorder which someone on a previous comment said almost caused him to quit baseball all together. I think its better off for him if he stays on a bad team, it will be less pressure and he will still make his money.
Greinke isn’t the first person to have that disorder, and I believe his issues before were from it being really untreated. Greinke is a excellent pitcher, I’d say he’s a top five to ten arm. Put him on a team that can field the ball, can score him some runs and is in a smaller major league city and I think he’ll do fine regardless of the stage.
Cause the was no preasure to win the cy young huh… The guy is a gammer; his so called social anxiety disorder kicks in when he has to talk to press not when he is on the mound… keep him away from the press and he will just fine…
Are you serious?? I dont think players actually think about these awards, they just go out and play. If they get an award or not at the end of the year is def not on their mind the entire year. Good luck keep him away from the press in the playoffs as a teams ace…
dude seriously “so called social anxiety disorder” who are you? Just so you know it is a real thing, anxiety is a very bad very hard to treat mental disorder that can be something as calm as shortness of breath and over thinking to straight up crippling pain and illness. You never know when it will strike (there are no outside causes for it) and its hard to treat, yeah you can pop a pill but those pills have to be carefully monitored and prescribed…If someone has an anxiety disorder it never goes away and is a daily thing the person has to deal with…And i would bet in his case there was little stress in terms of winning the cy…most cy young winners have to deal with the stress of winning and making a run at a division considering when he won the cy the royals were out of it by the all star break he simply went out there and pitched amazingly…and look at him now not nearly as good, yes still great but not as good people figured him out…he could just go out and pitch knowing it didnt mean anything because his team sucked…yeah put him on a team than can field and score runs constantly maybe we are looking at the next great thing year in and year out but consider this put him on that team( more than likely a big market with a ton of media every single day, with fans and radio shows that will rip him apart for messing one inning up) and maybe he cracks and never pans out
Thank you Dr.Phil
Cause the was no preasure to win the cy young huh… The guy is a gammer; his so called social anxiety disorder kicks in when he has to talk to press not when he is on the mound… keep him away from the press and he will just fine…
Ok so first I just want to say I think Zach Greinke is insanely overrated, but thats not my point here. Some team may acquire Greinke to be their ace and if that team with him makes the playoffs will he be able to pitch with the pressure of the postseason? He has that social anxiety disorder which someone on a previous comment said almost caused him to quit baseball all together. I think its better off for him if he stays on a bad team, it will be less pressure and he will still make his money.
Grienke To Brewers/Padres
Fielder/Agon to Red Sox
Prospects to KC
and who replaces fielder or agon on the brews and pads? your a bosox fan arent you?
Grienke To Brewers/Padres
Fielder/Agon to Red Sox
Prospects to KC
People. I want you to take a moment to look at KC’s farm system.
Moustakas
Hosmer
Myers
Robinson
Lough
Parrazz
Montgomery
Duffy
Lamb
Crow
Melville
Collins
Hardy
Teaford
Some of these are blue chip prospects, and some are more “aqua-marine” than blue but these are all incredible prospects working their way into KC. This team will be vastly different and wrote about in the course of the next 3 years.
That being said, KC is not looking to “swap out a stud for prospects” any longer. Dayton Moore has locked down KC as the #1 farm system in baseball. 24 members of Team USA in the Pan Am Games? Royals sent 6 kids. that’s 25% of the roster folks. Trust me…we’re full.
Now players READY to play major league ball? Fine. Yonder Alonso sounds good. Montero sounds good. Hellickson and Jennings DO sound good. But we are not looking to flip Greinke for lottery tickets..
If you are gonna encourage your team to get behind trading for Greinke, you will need to realize its gonna take your TOP prospect AT LEAST who is major league ready.
I agree , thats why I think the Royals trade Greinke for either Alonzo, Frazier, or for Rasmus.
alonso? huh? Hosmer is a way better firstbase prospect than Alonso and they already have Butler. Frazier isn’t enough for Grienke and Rasmus is a bit too much.
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You…
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You…
This is why I think a trade to the Yankees for a package around something like Gardener/Montero/Chamberlain + a pitching prospect makes total sense. Especially if the Yankees lose out on Lee. The Royals get a speedy OF to replace DeJesus, a top catching prospect, and a couple of pitchers. And don’t worry about the NTC… it’s funny how many times we’ve seen guys from small market teams not linked to the Yankees, but when the chance comes, they’re in pinstripes (CC ?)
but the thing is they are still prospects…how many times in the last 5 years alone have we seen these top prospects never turn out…how many times have you seen teams with #1 systems never do anything..jsut because they are a #1 ranked system does not mean it will translate into the bigs…ask anyone…any player/ media member/ director/ coach/ scout the bigs are 100% different than AAA…AAA is 100% different than AA…AA is 100% different than A….A is 100% different than the AFL….the AFL is 100% different than college…thats why top prospects spend like 4-5 years in the minors before coming to the bigs then spend 2-3 years before becoming above average players then spend 2 more years untill they are all stars
People. I want you to take a moment to look at KC’s farm system.
Moustakas
Hosmer
Myers
Robinson
Lough
Parrazz
Montgomery
Duffy
Lamb
Crow
Melville
Collins
Hardy
Teaford
Some of these are blue chip prospects, and some are more “aqua-marine” than blue but these are all incredible prospects working their way into KC. This team will be vastly different and wrote about in the course of the next 3 years.
That being said, KC is not looking to “swap out a stud for prospects” any longer. Dayton Moore has locked down KC as the #1 farm system in baseball. 24 members of Team USA in the Pan Am Games? Royals sent 6 kids. that’s 25% of the roster folks. Trust me…we’re full.
Now players READY to play major league ball? Fine. Yonder Alonso sounds good. Montero sounds good. Hellickson and Jennings DO sound good. But we are not looking to flip Greinke for lottery tickets..
If you are gonna encourage your team to get behind trading for Greinke, you will need to realize its gonna take your TOP prospect AT LEAST who is major league ready.
Bob,
I’m fully aware. When I say top prospects I actually mean high ceiling mlb ready prospects which is what the Brewers have. Lawrie, Rogers, Jeffress, Rivas, Braddock and Gamel can all contribute in the Majors next season. There are other mlb players the Brewers might trade for the right player that are controlled cheaply for the next few years (McGehee, Escobar and Manny Parra). Not to mention the Brewers have 30-40 million coming off the book this off-season and can afford Greinke’s contract.
Lets get crazy!!! Brewers send Fielder to Boston for Ellsbury, Kalish and Doubront
Royals send the Brewers Grienke and Butler for Ellsbury, Kalish, Doubront, Lawrie and Lucroy…
Boston gets their 1B
Brewers get an ace and a replacement for Fielder
Royals hit the jack pot 🙂
Lucroy is untouchable, we just dont have any other catchers.
Maybe instead of Lawrie and Lucroy, we could do Gamel and Gomez
gomez doesn’t have any value bro. he is a 4th/5th outfielder. it would have to be Jeffress and Gamel.
Royals do NOT need anymore CI’s… Royals need OF,MI,C
I doubt Lucroy is untouchable since he is the 4th or 5th best prospect on the Brewers…
So you would rather have Lawrie and Lucroy than Butler and Grienke?
I hope Fielder doesnt end up on the Sox…Hope they just wait one year for Agon.
will everyone please stop with the agon to the bosox stuff….yes they will try hard for him but that means he will have to get past almost every other team as well..you know kenny williams will go hard after him assuming they dont have that 1/dh thing locked up same with the yankees, ories, and most other teams…heck the pads could come out of no where and lock him up or the rangers could re-acquire him
Why? They are obviously interested in him and next year he will be a free agent. The Yankees have Texeira locked up long term…Id imagine he would want to go to a team that competes every year so therefore I would eliminate the Orioles(even though they have good young talent).
Seriously, you need to get over your hangup. Now I agree that trading Lars Anderson, Led Lowrie and Michael Bowden for Gonzo rumors are silly, but still, whether you like it or not, Boston is a very possible destination for Gonzo, whether it be this winter (trade) or next winter (FA). Boston has a ton of money coming off the books over the next 2 years and more than enough prospects to get it done. Ever since Boston lost out on Tex, they’re looking for a power bat at 1B. The telling sign will be if they resign Beltre this winter. If they do resign Beltre, then obviously Youkilis stays at 1B. If not, then Sox have flexibility to sign a 3B/1B or make a trade. That will dictate what direction they take.
i could see that senario…love the off season almost as much as the games…
Bob,
I’m fully aware. When I say top prospects I actually mean high ceiling mlb ready prospects which is what the Brewers have. Lawrie, Rogers, Jeffress, Rivas, Braddock and Gamel can all contribute in the Majors next season. There are other mlb players the Brewers might trade for the right player that are controlled cheaply for the next few years (McGehee, Escobar and Manny Parra). Not to mention the Brewers have 30-40 million coming off the book this off-season and can afford Greinke’s contract.
Greinke for Matt Stairs. Straight up. Guy hits moonshots.
To get Greinke it will take 3+ top practically MLB ready prospects. Remember Greinke is signed for 2 more years. The Brewers gave up there top prospect and another highly ranked prospect to Cleveland for CC Sabathia and he was only a rental. Also KC doesn’t have to trade Greinke because he is controlled by them for 2 more seasons. So any team that wants Greinke will have to blow KC away with an offer.
Hmmmm no. The Jays didn’t HAVE to trade Halladay simply beacause they could afford him. It made sense for them to trade him because they knew it made no sense to extend him just to be a 4th place team w/ a high payroll. Now the Royals are a 5th place team and they want to cut payroll. They are actively shopping him and WANT to move him. So it’s not going to be a salary dump and they WILL get a good package for him but it’s not going to be a “Texiera” type package in my opinion.
There’s just something funny to me having a guy in Kansas City with a no trade clause. They have the 5th worst record in all of baseball, I think I would do anything I could to get out of there.
In terms of not going to a major market team, I can see that. It’s similar to Joey Votto in Cincinnati. Votto put up the best offensive numbers in the National League while noticeably improving his defense from 2009. While you can’t argue his numbers, he’s still not comfortable in the media spotlight. He’s a good fit in Cincinnati because he doesn’t have the national spotlight on him everyday (but if he keeps up his production he’ll have no choice). Maybe Cincinnati would be a good fit for Greinke as well.
The Royals are going to be very good very soon
They have tons of prospects and they might get a finite window of opportunity like the Rays had/have but they would need SEVERAL prospects to show and proove at the same time AND be willing to spend a little to add some needed vets.
I agree that Lucroy is untouchable. Ever since Angel Salome quit being the Brewers catcher in the minors Lucroy is all that is left. Making him untouchable. Gomez is flat out horrible. He is a 4th/5th OF at best. A trade with Greinke will start with Lawrie, Jeffress or Rogers and Gamel. If KC needs an OF Gamel could be moved to play RF/LF. Gamel has actually seen time in RF/LF in Practice. Lawrie is a 2nd basemen. Jeffress can hit 100 mph and can be put in the bullpen or rotation. Rogers could start in the rotation next season and IMO if I was the Brewers I’d hold on to him and make him untouchable. Same with Odorizzi. Amaury Rivas is also a SP that could start in the rotation next season. He can touch 95 mph at times, but usually stays between 92-93. I can see the Brewers trading him with Jeffress, Lawrie and Gamel and that package would blow KC away IMO and would probably be a done deal.
As a Roayls fan I want no more CI playing in the OF we have already seen enough of that crap…
Refreshing…finally a player who won’t make a deal with the devil
Hide him up in Canada! He’d love it here, no one would recognize him, and he’d only be pitching in front of friends, family and peanut/beer guys.
Grienke for Brett Cecil and JP Arencibia. .. Done. Take it and goo, takitango
Nationals need an Ace…why not?
Milone-Marrero-Burgess sounds about right
I’m surprised he would accept a deal with the Rays. I remember last year after a bad outing at Tropicana field he was bitching about the place and saying it “isn’t a baseball stadium” or something like that.
Greinke to Milwaukee in a 3 way deal w/Fielder going to ChiSox and prospects to KC.
Greinke will be a Twin. Hicks, Slowey, Wimmers.
I am just interrested in why so many people seem to discount the PIrates in the discussion here. While they are shor ton position player prospects, they are very deep in pitching prospects at all levels of the system. They have 4 pitchers coming up from AA that all project to be above average major league pitchers. They had 2 pitchers at AAA that grade out to be servicable pitchers at the major league level. Once you go below AA the system is possibly even deeper on pitching. While none of the pitchers available in the system grade out to be the type of pitcher Greinke is, there is something to be said for #2 and #3 starters at the major league level and having depth in the minor leagues.
The Royals have a ton of pitching in the minors… what they are looking for is OF,MI and C
The Royals have a ton of pitching in the minors… what they are looking for is OF,MI and C
Sorry guys I made a mistake on the Papelbon thing. It was supposed to say Papelbon, Iglesias, and Anthony Rizzo but the rest must have got cut off. I also made a mistake in thinking Soria was a free agent, got him and Rafael Soriano confused.
No trade to NY? Why? Got something against being on a winning team?
paplepon is going to be non-tendered – why trade for him? he is going to get 8-10 mil in arbitration – why would you let Grienke go for similar salary in return? Soria is a stronger closer as well. No need for him. That being said, no one is stating such but i can see the Jays making a push for him. We have a chunk of young mlb ready arms: Rzep, mills, ray, and a young catcher who has high potential in arencibia – and yes, i do believe the jays would trade him.
Personally I think Grienke would be a good fit in St. Louis. Is it possible? Probably not considering we are making any new deals or trades in light of Pujols’ upcoming free agency. However, I think toss in some high end prospects like Shelby Miller and St. Louis and the Royals may be able to work something out.