SATURDAY, 9:21am: The Marlins are unlikely to trade Ross, reports Rosenthal, as they can't find the right deal.
FRIDAY, 5:05pm: Executives of one team heard that they could acquire Ross for the right offer, according to Jayson Stark of ESPN.com (on Twitter). The Braves and Red Sox have interest in Ross and could acquire the outfielder for the right price, according to MLB.com's Joe Frisaro.
3:39pm: Cody Ross is "off the table," according to Frankie Piliere of AOL FanHouse (on Twitter). The Braves and other clubs are now looking in different directions. It appears that Chris Coghlan's injury made the Marlins more inclined to keep Ross, though MLB.com's Joe Frisaro says Ross was off the table before Coghlan's ill-fated celebration (Twitter link).
Earlier today, it appeared that the Braves were one of three teams “coming hard” after Ross, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. ESPN.com’s Buster Olney and Juan C. Rodriguez of the South Florida Sun Sentinel reported that a number of teams were pursuing Ross (Twitter links only).
not sure if ” Coming hard” is the best way to describe anything lol
Well, at least Chien-Ming Wang isn’t “coming hard.”
lol oh man …. that was a good one
Thank god it’s not the Big Unit (best nickname ever) that could get messy
Big Unit? Thank god it’s not FUKUDOME!!!
Will Bautista be in demand now?
but fukudome is available!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Please?????
They’ll probably trade him in the winter
Good news, trading fan favorite Cody Ross would have made many Marlins fans VERY angry. He’s my son’s favorite player.
Good news, the Braves trading for Cody Ross would have made myself and my 1 year old son VERY angry. He’s exactly what we need another non impact bat for an already crowded outfield.
Ross is a streaky hitter, and when he gets on a hot streak, he’ll impact you harder than a Hummer running at 60.
Dangit. The Braves really need to make a move to sure up their line-up. Their pitching is ‘okay’.. but their hitting has a habit of disappearing. Come on, Wren. Get someone to help out.
“okay” The Braves have one of the top staffs in baseball but you are correct their hitting is sporadic.
Really? Maybe overall they have a good pitching staff, but as of late, they’ve been struggling a bit, and when they struggle + don’t hit.. they’re a mediocre team at best. I mean they lost series to the 4th and 5th place teams for goodness sakes.
That can be said of any team. Obviously when your team isn’t playing that well on either side of the ball they are a mediocre team. And every team eventually loses a series or two or more to bad teams, it just happens. Braves need to add a bat and that’s really all they need, and pitching staffs no matter how good will struggle from time to time.
Really Florida? Stop acting like Ross is a top tier player and just make him available or don’t…..at this point….I don’t even want him on the Braves because I’m sure the Fish will be asking for way too much….
He’s a fan favorite with gold glove caliber defense, but he’s average at the plate. There’s a difference when you have someone defensively like Ross up for trade.
Uhm, I cannot believe that anyone thinks the BoSox are after Cody. He has very similar numbers to Darnell McDonald. We have a packed outfield with solid prospects behind them in Pawtucket. And we have one of the worst bullpens in the AL. We are after middle relievers, to the exclusion of all other things, for the remainder of the next 21 hours.
Cody Ross would be an upgrade because he’s a center fielder. Right now we don’t exactly have one. I love Melky don’t get me wrong but I’ve never seen him as anything more than a platoon player. We don’t need 2/3 of our outfield being platoon scenarios. I’d like stability and Cody Ross is stable. Just knock off the eye black. He looks like a high school girl at a prom that got dumped by her date and has been sitting in the corner crying her mascara off.
He can play all 3 OF spots too
I’ve heard some rumbling today that the Braves may look into Jacoby Ellsbury. I’m not sure the validity of it, but I like the idea. He could bat leadoff, moving Prado 2nd and getting Heyward back down to 6th where he seemed more comftorable. Essentially we would be getting that ‘run producer’ by getting Heyward down and not losing any production from the 1-2 spots. Heyward can hit just as well as anyone else on the market. Also, I wouldn’t mind a Jose Bautista deal either. The Jays want the moon for him, but seeing his power in our lineup would give me a feeling of euphoria.
It seems as if Frank Wren is more focused on getting a reliever, and sticking with a Diaz/Hinske platoon in left. Which still leaves us with a below average center fielder, by the way.
As for Cody Ross, he is absolutely NOT what we need. He’s another average hitting OFer; i’m pretty sure we already have about 6 of those on our roster.
You wanna know the sick thing? It was never fully explained or answered but definitely read somewhere on here that hinted that if we had traded Javier Vasquez to the BoSox Jacoby Ellsbury would have been a Brave. Him or Daniel Bard.
Wow. Can you imagine having either one of the guys right now? To be fair, Ellsbury has been injured most of the year, but I would rather have an injured Ellsbury than Melky Cabrera. Not that Melky’s a bad player, but he’s no more than a 4th OFer. He has been sort of a blessing for us though, given the way McLouth has been hitting.
I’m a little confused by Frank Wren right now; he said if McLouth didn’t bounce back strong off the DL, then he would go strong after another outfielder. Well, McLouth still sucks, and based off of Wren’s comments he’s focused on adding another relief pitcher. That’s not going to keep us ahead of the Phils and their newly acquired Roy, unfortunately.
Because Frank Wren isn’t good at this whole ‘trading’ thing. While pitching would be nice, the bullpen is one of our sure things. It’s the putrid offense that’s the problem. Glaus is over the hill, and his knees are giving him issues (he’s having to sit like twice a week), Chipper’s hardly healthy, the OF is a revolving door.. and there’s little to no power all throughout the lineup.
Exactly. We’ve got Prado, McCann, and Heyward consistently producing. Then we’ve got hobbling grandpaws, platoon outfielders, and Alex Gonzalez. Jose Bautista makes alot of sense, IMO. He could give our gimpy corner infielders their bi-weekly days off along with putting Melky Cabrera back to the 4th outfielder where he belongs.
Who would Braves give up for Jacoby?
Eh, I’m not really sure. I would guess Melky Cabrera would be included, as he seems to fit the mold of what the Sox are looking for. He’d be more of a throw in, and I’d guess some of our young pitching would head over. Not that the Red Sox have a blistering need for them, but they’re still attractive none-the-less. So Teheran, Delgado, etc.. Mike Dunn would probably catch their eye well. We’ll just give them all the former Yankees..
Uhm, you do realize we are talking about a player who stole 70 bases, can hit .300+ and is Ichiro Suzuki lite (i.e., lacks power, but does everything else extremely well)? We’d probably be looking for Jonny Venters, Freddie Freeman and maybe another position player prospect.
I can almost guarantee you that won’t be the case. Jonny Venters is a possibility, but I could still see them being more interested in Dunn. But Freeman? Not a chance. The Sox don’t seem to be too high on Ellsbury, and the fact that he can’t stay healthy doesn’t exactly help his value. Maybe their choice of 2 of our pitching prospects, and then a couple more B-level guys. I can’t really give exact names, because I’m not too sure what the Sox would look for in terms of prospects. Maybe Hoover? But anyways, Ellsbury is a guy that hits for good average, low power, elite speed and decent defense. His value isn’t Freddie Freeman territory.
Someone I could see, however, is Craig Kimbrel. The Braves would be extremely reluctant to give him up, but he would be a great chip.
To get Ellsbury, we gotta get a chip that we can flip to Toronto for Downs. It has to be a chip that will make Alex’s eyes pop out. Dunn and Kimbrel don’t do that. Venters is serviceable and can join our staff. But prospectwise, we don’t have anything offered that’s gonna make this deal move. You know your system better than I do. What can you give us, if not Freeman, that seals the deal? Its gotta be a top 10 prospect position player, not pitcher. In return, you are getting a future all-star.
If you mean top 10 prospect in all of the league, then it’s not happening. One of the reasons being that we don’t have one of those. As far as position prospects go, someone like Christian Bethancourt (catching prospect) would probably be the only guy they’d be interested in. Freeman won’t be traded; especially for a guy that’s all speed. Outside Of Bethancourt, we’ve got Mycal Jones, Adam Milligan.. Not anything to center a package around. If a deal is made, it would have to be centered around pitching. Another guy is Cody Johnson.. He’s not much of a trade chip either, but he’s got massive power. K’s too much though, and he’s got massive holes in his game. He’d be a throw in, pretty much. But a guy like Craig Kimbrel or Mike Dunn would be able to contribue right away in your ‘pen. If you would rather Venters, that’s fine by me. But Venters doesn’t have near the same ceiling as the other guys.
As far as flipping our prospects to Toronto for Downs; yeah, one of our pitching prospects will definitely open up AA’s eyes. You may have misunderstood me, but when I say two pitching prospects, I don’t mean Dunn and Kimbrel, but one of them PLUS two more, say Zeke Spruill and Arodys Vizcaino, plus Christian Bethancourt. Just throwing names out there, but something like this could work. And I would say ATL would be overpaying.
I probably inartfully worded things. I meant top 10 within your organization. I wasn’t expecting both Dunn and Kimbrel. That said, even that combo wouldn’t get us where we need to be. Vizcaino interests us, but I still don’t think we can do it without Freeman. We recently had the chance to acquire Ianetta from the Rockies, who Theo for some reason has a weird man-crush upon. I don’t like his numbers. They asked for Ells and we declined. Ells is definitely not all speed. He’s very substantial at the plate, not as a power hitter, but as a lead-off hitter. Hits for average, good OBP, drives in circa 50 runs from the lead off spot, will score 100 runs. And then, of course, there’s that speed. He’s amazing as a defender, although he’s still learning how to take the best route to the ball (cause of his low UZR/150 last year). It made for some spectacular highlights. He caught everything in sight. He just made it more difficult than it needed to be. I’m not saying we overvalue Ells and not saying you overvalue Freeman. Both are amazing athletes. Sometimes, teams don’t match up. If you’re willing to give up Freeman, I think we can definitely make a deal.
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Sure, you can have any of our top ten position prospects. They won’t interest anybody. Like I said, Christian Bethancourt is the only guy I see them jumping at. Frank Wren has made it abundantly clear that Freddie Freeman will not be traded.
It seems as if we’ve both been misunderstood.. I wasn’t trying to say that Dunn and Kimbrel would get it done, but that one of them plus others would open up Epstein’s eyes. If you wouldn’t take pitching prospects, then we just don’t match up. We’ve got a surplus of guys like Arodys, a few them valued even higher like Delgado, Minor and Teheran, so if it’s young pitching you want then call Frank Wren.
And I wasn’t trying to say that Ellsbury is ALL speed. I understand he’s a great player with plenty of tools. I just don’t see us giving our 1B of the future for a guy with no power.
I guess if the Ellsbury rumors are true, then Boston better want pitching or a 3rd party will have to get involved.
Freeman definitely doesn’t have to be in any deal. I think Theo would be more than happy to take Teheran and some other pieces off their hands. Lots of teams value pitching and we can either keep what we get or flip them for something else.
I think that would be enough to get Ellsbury and a low AA prospect.
If you mean top 10 prospect in all of the league, then it’s not happening. One of the reasons being that we don’t have one of those. As far as position prospects go, someone like Christian Bethancourt (catching prospect) would probably be the only guy they’d be interested in. Freeman won’t be traded; especially for a guy that’s all speed. Outside Of Bethancourt, we’ve got Mycal Jones, Adam Milligan.. Not anything to center a package around. If a deal is made, it would have to be centered around pitching. Another guy is Cody Johnson.. He’s not much of a trade chip either, but he’s got massive power. K’s too much though, and he’s got massive holes in his game. He’d be a throw in, pretty much. But a guy like Craig Kimbrel or Mike Dunn would be able to contribue right away in your ‘pen. If you would rather Venters, that’s fine by me. But Venters doesn’t have near the same ceiling as the other guys.
As far as flipping our prospects to Toronto for Downs; yeah, one of our pitching prospects will definitely open up AA’s eyes. You may have misunderstood me, but when I say two pitching prospects, I don’t mean Dunn and Kimbrel, but one of them PLUS two more, say Zeke Spruill and Arodys Vizcaino, plus Christian Bethancourt. Just throwing names out there, but something like this could work. And I would say ATL would be overpaying.
who would the braves give up to get cody ross?
Probably Tommy Hanson.
If that’s what the Marlins want for Cody Ross then they can go pound salt
Lol what
And Jason Heyward.
Wow, the Braves GM would have to be extremely drunk or drugged to do that!
Early reports were Mike Dunn and Melky would get a deal for Ross done, but that was days ago and they may have upped their price knowing how desperate we are and how thin they are with the Coghlan injury.
well i think that would probably be a pretty decent deal but idk
If the Braves are determined to get an OF, why not go after Marlon Byrd or Michael Bourn? Get someone who’s playing well this year, not another clone of Cabrera/McLouth/Hinske/Diaz.
I have alson heard rumblings about Jacoby Ellsbury and since he is coming off an injury we could get him for almost the same thing as Cody Ross and lets face it Cody Ross is an average player. Ellsbury is outstanding and can give protection for J-Hey which could give him better oppurtunities. Jose Bautista isn’t going anywhere based on what the Blue Jays are asking for him.
Atlanta is not giving up any top tier talent for Cody Ross. It’d be something like Melky+ a pitching prospect. Atlanta will not trade away any talent other than pitching, for that matter at this time. Venters is going to be off limits, Kimbrel will be also(one of these 2 will be the closer of next year, Venters is more of a Wagner clone as far as velocity, pitching side and breaking stuff, but with a little wild streak that will calm down).
People saying they’d be ok with dropping Venters for an “average” outfielder like Ross, or Bourne, or even Ellsbury(speed guys, but no power…for the most part) really don’t realize the impact that would have. Venters can give you multiple innings, has + stuff and is a lefty arm. Wagner is retiring after this year, and Venters throws a lot like him. For a rookie, Venters has an ERA of 1.23 and a WHIP of 1.05. You won’t find more than a handful of relievers in the entire league sporting numbers like that. The kid has a huge ceiling once he controls his pitches, as he’s already pitching really well.
Atlanta would be willing to deal someone like Mike Dunn, Melky Cabrera, Nate McClouth, Bethancourt, Kawakami, Jesse Chavez and pretty much any non-tier player. Mike Minor is off-limits, Freddy Freeman is off-limits, Brandon Hicks is probably not going to be available(not saying there is any interest in him, but Atlanta wouldn’t be willing to part with their possible 3rd baseman of the future when Chipper retires).
On that note, the Jays put Bautista on a line when we picked up Alex Gonzalez, but the Braves didn’t bite. Since then, his stock has gone way up from interest by other teams, and would require a big deal to haul him in at this point it seems. That was probably our best chance to pick up a center fielder.
The only thilng that scares me about Venters: his minor league numbers. He is pitching waaayyy better than what he was in the minors, and I don’t want to think that the league will catch up with him, but that may be the case. He was always a guys with and ERA around 3.40 all the way to 5.00. His K/9 was always around 6. He wasn’t the shutdown reliever that he is in the majors. Although, he did start a little bit in the minors. Maybe that affected his numbers.
He was also a starter in the minors. That is why he is in the pen. In the minors, he was lights out 1st time through the order, but the 2nd and 3rd times opponents crushed him. Moving him to a reliever or a closer role takes that away, and he is once again, lights out. He is tied for 1st among all MLB pitchers with at least 40 innings pitched in ERA at 1.23 with Evan Meek of Pittsburgh.
I love this kid, and he has a much higher ceiling as a closer than people realize. Once he gains control over all his pitches on a daily basis, he will be a Billy Wagner styled pitcher with nasty stuff and high heat.
I still dont know why the braves dont unload for Adam Dunn. If the braves really want to win this year, dunn is the perfect fit. Move him to left field, put him in cleanup, mccann fifth and glaus sixth. Think about chipper and Dunn batting 3 and 4. They love each other!!! <3 But anyways, braves sould send arodys, schafer, the best catcher prospect the braves have, and maybe hoover. Sounds fair
Nats would price gouge for Dunn within the division, and probably ask for at least two of our top-tier pitchers from the minors to acquire. I would love to have Dunn also, but not at that cost when we surely wont be able to sign him after the rental.
The Braves center their attack around pitching; and if you’re going to have good pitching you have to have good defense to compliment. Dunn is a butcher in LF.
Ken Rosenthal says that some new teams have jumped in and to expect the unexpected in the Dunn sweepstakes. Maybe the Braves are one of those teams, but I doubt it. They’ve never liked Dunn.