Why does counsell continue to be infatuated with Swanson batting 4th or 5th every day? Is it because of his high pay and or hurting his feelings as a veteran?
Sure, I’ve only gone to about 50 Braves home games. I’m sure you would have been ecstatic if Kershaw left the Dodgers and was an all star for a different team at Dodger stadium.
I hate everything about Oakland-Sacramento-Vegas, but I have 0 issue with Wilson winning out over Witt Jr. Makes up for the fact that Rooker got screwed at DH imo
Well tells you defensive stats are not the greatest measurement and need to be worked on. Nobody in this world would start Betts at shortstop if Lindor was on his team. You can say whatever you want but you know that it’s true.
On another topic, but not really: Cam Smith is a young Bill Madlock. Except Madlock wasn't a star in the majors 11 months after he was drafted. Smith's success is virtually unprecedented.
I suppose the Astros insisted that he be in the trade. But wouldn't it be something if they had wanted Shaw, and Hoyer convinced them to take Smith instead? We don't KNOW, but would any of us really be surprised to find out that that was so? Hoyer has shown himself to be that clueless in the past.
It’s the All Star game and not a regular season game. I’m sure they will love his Dodger uniform in Atlanta for an all star game especially this season.
I am not being a homer here, but Hunter Goodman of the Rockies deserves the starting gig over Will Smith. The only thing Smith has on Goodman is BA and being on a much better team. Goodman leads all NL catchers is almost every category. Hopefully he at least gets the backup job.
Giants fan here. Pillar led our 2019 team (by far) with 87 RBI and tied for the team lead with 21 HR. Possibly the only time in his career he could make those claims. Good Giant.
I guess I’m confused. He’s hitting well, playing gold glove defense on a division leader, and is comeback player of the year. Seems he’s pretty deserving?
But yes they do need a cap and a floor. The players union as a whole isn’t bad but the leadership is pretty narrowly focused on a small group of players.
Manfred and the owners aren’t the “good guys” by any means here but they have a point. The top 1% reaps 90% of the rewards they prioritize. He’s bad in his own way but it’s smart for Manfred to appeal to the majority of the league that’s not actually being represented. A cap and floor won’t help the next 700 million dollar deal but it’ll force the bad teams to spend significantly more which will help everybody else.
A surprising number of haters on this thread for Pillar. Well, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. Well screw them idiots...I'm here to celebrate a great guy and one of the most exciting ball players I ever saw for a 5 year stretch in my close to 50 years of religiously following baseball. If someone doesn't appreciate what Kevin Pillar did during his heyday with Toronto then too bad for them. I'm a Dodger fan, but watching Pillar patrol center field for Toronto during the late teens was a special treat. He gave it his all every game and made some of the best highlight reel catches in baseball for a half decade. He also provided some pop at the plate and was a good base runner and by every account I heard, a terrific teammate as well. You don't last a decade in the majors without bringing something useful and Pillar hustled and got more out of his talent than most big leaguers. I wish Pillar the best of luck in whatever he chooses to do next and thank him for making the game better.
Yeah. Seems obvious they have more than 8 owners who aren’t compromising on getting more payroll parity. So many fans started this year with their team having no hope. It’s no surprise.
Manfred flagged a lockout ages ago. He knows where the votes are at.
The "in the AL East" part was the big point. I saw the Kevins SO MUCH and I only see PCA occasionally. That's not anything about their relative skill just my personal connection with their respective games.
World Series isn't everything. If you want them to sell I totally get that but I wouldn't sell just because my team is seemingly not a WS team (if that's the stance).
When the Nationals used to spend, the old man was trying to win a World Series before he passed(which they did). The family has not shown evidence that they are willing to, yet.
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He retired once already.
He initially thought 2024 would be his final year, but a thumb surgery and a desire to avoid ending his career with that surgery led him to sign a minor-league deal with the Texas Rangers for 2025..
Zack did a good job at Detroit. He has some power and real good speed. Can play multiple positions quite well. Has a reputation of being a very good clubhouse teammate.
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I'll never forget when he was part of This Week in Baseball intro video at the begging of each show. Every week you'd see his 1979 allstar game throws from RF gunning out guys at third and home. He gunned out Brian Downing in the 9th inning to preserve a 6-6 tie, and was game MVP. What an arm. Legendary. RIP Dave.
After their long rebuild and false starts, they've finally come out of it and have a good chance to end the regular season as the American League's best.
And they actually have a better win percentage against out of division opponents, so it's not like their wins can be discounted on a soft home division.
I faced Kyle Nelson in Babe Ruth League. He was the best pitcher on the Kiwanis and the best in our league. This was 1969 and he was right-handed. Now that I think of it, it was a different Kyle Nelson. My bad.
Agree 16. Every team could use another starting pitcher. The Cubs bullpen is lights out!! The Cubs need another bat. Cam Smith sure would help.
Somehow, Someway- PLEASE, something to get Swansons bat, NO higher than 7th or 8th in the lineup. Nico would be more effective batting in the spot, that Swanson has been occupying.
The National League certainly has some good shortstops with Lindor, Turner, De La Cruz, and Abrams. No doubt some others, as well, like Betts when he plays the position.
Gleyber actually used the same approach in 2023 with the Yankees and saw similar success. I feel like he was pressing in 2024 for more power and thus lost that approach.
Copper hill - Not so fast… that contract is still in the midst and could be redeemed very quickly in the postseason. Baez was injured and now he’s not and it’s pretty obvious he didn’t just forget how to play.
It's definitely an issue between the ears with Kelenic. Way too hard on himself when he doesn’t execute, and baseball is a game of failure anyway, not sure his perfectionist mindset can be fixed at this point. It's too bad, because he has the raw skills to be a ballplayer.
My guess is its for a "short" stay. He's solid defensively, won't play much, and will get DFA'd in two weeks. If he gets claimed, no biggie. Likely, he won't get claimed and will go right back to AAA, as non roster depth.
The dynamic between Dave Roberts and Manny will be interesting. In the battles between Dodgers and Padres Manny has been quite agressive.
Throwing the ball nearly hitting Dave in the dugout.
Turner, Abrams, Gore, and Wood were not drafted by Washington. Neither was Soto(international signing), but he was developed, brief as it was, by Washington. I get that we are splitting hairs, though.
Unpopular opinion but I agree. They went far beyond what they are capable of payroll wise and went nuts, signing a very expensive infield and making so many rotation additions. The young guys didn’t progress and now we’re here.
Tip of the hat to Harris, the Tigers POBO, for signing Torres. I hated the move at the time, but it has worked out. Hopefully Keith will be able to handle 3B.
Who would you pick over Vlad as a 1st baseman in the American League.
Try to keep up with current reality.
Seriously bring back steroids
.500 teams in 1998 had better lineups than this
Wrong Nelson.
Why does counsell continue to be infatuated with Swanson batting 4th or 5th every day? Is it because of his high pay and or hurting his feelings as a veteran?
He is a great player. Will probably end up a top 5 shortstop of all time. Betts is a great player. One of the best outfielders of all time.
WRONG José Ureña. He's not 18 years old. This website is very inaccurate!!
Ha ha. Websoulsearcher muting him ? Really, Pads Fan ?
You have got the multiple account dance working today !
Sure, I’ve only gone to about 50 Braves home games. I’m sure you would have been ecstatic if Kershaw left the Dodgers and was an all star for a different team at Dodger stadium.
Avenger is referring to the era of baseball when the pitcher intentionally threw hittable pitches.
A fan favourite in Toronto. Still see the Pillar jerseys in the stands.
Best wishes on a well deserved retirement!
Maybe some broadcasting in the future?
Every year Jeter was in the All Star game even with no good numbers
I hate everything about Oakland-Sacramento-Vegas, but I have 0 issue with Wilson winning out over Witt Jr. Makes up for the fact that Rooker got screwed at DH imo
Lindor is a great ball player.
Happy now?
The Braves didn’t want him for some reason
Wherever Kevin goes, he will be a Pillar of the community.
Really? *this* is what makes you mad?
And oh by the way...
Did you seriously have some high esteem for fan voted all star starters in the past?
There isn't a glut of great AL OFs this year like years past. And the fans got a lot right too, like SS Wilson.
It's not like it's NBA-level absurdity.
Best team in each league has 3 starters in AS Game. Seems about right -- and how it usually shakes out every yr.
Well tells you defensive stats are not the greatest measurement and need to be worked on. Nobody in this world would start Betts at shortstop if Lindor was on his team. You can say whatever you want but you know that it’s true.
It's New York fans who go in for that sort of display.
OY: The game itself is as well
On another topic, but not really: Cam Smith is a young Bill Madlock. Except Madlock wasn't a star in the majors 11 months after he was drafted. Smith's success is virtually unprecedented.
I suppose the Astros insisted that he be in the trade. But wouldn't it be something if they had wanted Shaw, and Hoyer convinced them to take Smith instead? We don't KNOW, but would any of us really be surprised to find out that that was so? Hoyer has shown himself to be that clueless in the past.
He will be a Dodger.
And unfortunately for Gleyber he gets to be managed by Aaron Boone for another game 🙂
ISOB=Mariner fan flex
Is this a lifetime achievement award for Baez? His stats would be respectable for a 4th outfielder.
It’s the All Star game and not a regular season game. I’m sure they will love his Dodger uniform in Atlanta for an all star game especially this season.
And the Tigers would have the worst infield defense ever seen, at least since the Miggy & Prince at the corners years
Javy Baez over Byron Buxton is an egregious miss
I am not being a homer here, but Hunter Goodman of the Rockies deserves the starting gig over Will Smith. The only thing Smith has on Goodman is BA and being on a much better team. Goodman leads all NL catchers is almost every category. Hopefully he at least gets the backup job.
Giants fan here. Pillar led our 2019 team (by far) with 87 RBI and tied for the team lead with 21 HR. Possibly the only time in his career he could make those claims. Good Giant.
Prediction:
Kyle Tucker will sign with the Yankees for $50 million more than the Cubs' best offer.
I guess I’m confused. He’s hitting well, playing gold glove defense on a division leader, and is comeback player of the year. Seems he’s pretty deserving?
And people really need to stop getting so upset over who starts an EXHIBITION game with no real meaning other than who the fans want to see.
"everyone"
lol
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Ship Josh over to the Tigers and maybe they will play better together next year. Torres is on a one year deal...Jace can play 2B and Josh at 3B.
Jacob Wilson has a 138 wRC+.
Bobby Witt Jr. has a 123 wRC+
Offensively, Wilson is far better this season.
Overall, though, Wilson has a fWAR of 2.9 to Witts 4.0.
Witt is getting a lot more steals and is better defensively and is overall a simply better player.
Freeman was given a nice ovation at Truist Park in May. But you'd have to be paying attention to know that.
But yes they do need a cap and a floor. The players union as a whole isn’t bad but the leadership is pretty narrowly focused on a small group of players.
Manfred and the owners aren’t the “good guys” by any means here but they have a point. The top 1% reaps 90% of the rewards they prioritize. He’s bad in his own way but it’s smart for Manfred to appeal to the majority of the league that’s not actually being represented. A cap and floor won’t help the next 700 million dollar deal but it’ll force the bad teams to spend significantly more which will help everybody else.
A surprising number of haters on this thread for Pillar. Well, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. Well screw them idiots...I'm here to celebrate a great guy and one of the most exciting ball players I ever saw for a 5 year stretch in my close to 50 years of religiously following baseball. If someone doesn't appreciate what Kevin Pillar did during his heyday with Toronto then too bad for them. I'm a Dodger fan, but watching Pillar patrol center field for Toronto during the late teens was a special treat. He gave it his all every game and made some of the best highlight reel catches in baseball for a half decade. He also provided some pop at the plate and was a good base runner and by every account I heard, a terrific teammate as well. You don't last a decade in the majors without bringing something useful and Pillar hustled and got more out of his talent than most big leaguers. I wish Pillar the best of luck in whatever he chooses to do next and thank him for making the game better.
Who you like in the 3rd at Saratoga on Friday, Charlie? Ahahahahahaha!
Bobby Witt Jr was robbed again. Voters need to stop using strictly BA as a voting metric.
Jacob Wilson!
What in the world are you talking about? lol. Tinfoil hat much?
@buck
Yeah. Seems obvious they have more than 8 owners who aren’t compromising on getting more payroll parity. So many fans started this year with their team having no hope. It’s no surprise.
Manfred flagged a lockout ages ago. He knows where the votes are at.
I think you forgot to say something.
The "in the AL East" part was the big point. I saw the Kevins SO MUCH and I only see PCA occasionally. That's not anything about their relative skill just my personal connection with their respective games.
@Provost
Fan votes are mostly a joke.
World Series isn't everything. If you want them to sell I totally get that but I wouldn't sell just because my team is seemingly not a WS team (if that's the stance).
The Tigers sharing the best record in MLB has energized their fanbase. Fan voting is working as intended.
@DarrenDreifortsContract
He never was. Decent player but not an all-star.
Freeman will probably be booed. Freeman should have been a lifetime Brave.
Baez starting is absurd. All star game has lost all credibility for me
Lmao, it’s not pie in the sky it’s delusional. If
I think you need to learn sarcasm.
When the Nationals used to spend, the old man was trying to win a World Series before he passed(which they did). The family has not shown evidence that they are willing to, yet.
They are young and should be really good for long time.
James Wood was so robbed
His name checks out.
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He retired once already.
He initially thought 2024 would be his final year, but a thumb surgery and a desire to avoid ending his career with that surgery led him to sign a minor-league deal with the Texas Rangers for 2025..
Zack did a good job at Detroit. He has some power and real good speed. Can play multiple positions quite well. Has a reputation of being a very good clubhouse teammate.
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I still love the way Pillar reacted to the Bautista-Odor fight. He came flying out like he was going to kill someone.
I'll never forget when he was part of This Week in Baseball intro video at the begging of each show. Every week you'd see his 1979 allstar game throws from RF gunning out guys at third and home. He gunned out Brian Downing in the 9th inning to preserve a 6-6 tie, and was game MVP. What an arm. Legendary. RIP Dave.
Is there something wrong with you?!
Baez makes a mockery of fan voting...
After their long rebuild and false starts, they've finally come out of it and have a good chance to end the regular season as the American League's best.
And they actually have a better win percentage against out of division opponents, so it's not like their wins can be discounted on a soft home division.
They are legit! Good days in Detroit for sure.
*Did you*
I faced Kyle Nelson in Babe Ruth League. He was the best pitcher on the Kiwanis and the best in our league. This was 1969 and he was right-handed. Now that I think of it, it was a different Kyle Nelson. My bad.
Who would you have voted for over Raleigh???
Slow start with new team/pressure. Sadie yiu see his June numbers? He’s a future HOF, no question.
Who gets a louder cheer when the bring out the starting lineups? Freddie Freeman or Ronald Acuna Jr?
How much would Acuña get on the open market? Tucker is about to make a killing too.
Just like I predicted in spring training: Javy Baez starting CF in the All-Star Game . . .
Player voting, the league and the managers of the teams.
And everyone really knows Betts isn’t even close to a fielder as Lindor at shortstop.
Agree 16. Every team could use another starting pitcher. The Cubs bullpen is lights out!! The Cubs need another bat. Cam Smith sure would help.
Somehow, Someway- PLEASE, something to get Swansons bat, NO higher than 7th or 8th in the lineup. Nico would be more effective batting in the spot, that Swanson has been occupying.
Every year people say someone over Lindor and by the end of the year Lindor is the best shortstop in the NL and it’s not usually close.
Cal Raleigh, huh? Mariners fans must have really come out in droves to vote for him. I would look into those ballots a bit more, seems sketch.
The National League certainly has some good shortstops with Lindor, Turner, De La Cruz, and Abrams. No doubt some others, as well, like Betts when he plays the position.
Pete - Yeah, he played a phenomenal CF for a good chunk of the season and he has been a very productive hitter playing on the best team in the league.
Gleyber actually used the same approach in 2023 with the Yankees and saw similar success. I feel like he was pressing in 2024 for more power and thus lost that approach.
Copper hill - Not so fast… that contract is still in the midst and could be redeemed very quickly in the postseason. Baez was injured and now he’s not and it’s pretty obvious he didn’t just forget how to play.
Perfect analysis
It's definitely an issue between the ears with Kelenic. Way too hard on himself when he doesn’t execute, and baseball is a game of failure anyway, not sure his perfectionist mindset can be fixed at this point. It's too bad, because he has the raw skills to be a ballplayer.
I'm happy for him.
I wonder how many of these guys will opt out of the game. None, I hope, but that seems unlikely.
My guess is its for a "short" stay. He's solid defensively, won't play much, and will get DFA'd in two weeks. If he gets claimed, no biggie. Likely, he won't get claimed and will go right back to AAA, as non roster depth.
Tigers have three starters! Midwest bias in full effect. /s
Congrats Tigers fans!
Fish can keep Alcantara. He’s been pathetic.
International signings count as international scouting/development.
The dynamic between Dave Roberts and Manny will be interesting. In the battles between Dodgers and Padres Manny has been quite agressive.
Throwing the ball nearly hitting Dave in the dugout.
Non Roster: No he won’t. That’s what retirement means.
Baez is having his first decent season in years, but starting in CF for the AL All-Stars? Come on.
Turner, Abrams, Gore, and Wood were not drafted by Washington. Neither was Soto(international signing), but he was developed, brief as it was, by Washington. I get that we are splitting hairs, though.
MeowMeow: How can you say that? PCA is a much more consistent all-around force than they were.
Lindor! LGM!
Carl's great grandson. Good luck guy!
Unpopular opinion but I agree. They went far beyond what they are capable of payroll wise and went nuts, signing a very expensive infield and making so many rotation additions. The young guys didn’t progress and now we’re here.
Tip of the hat to Harris, the Tigers POBO, for signing Torres. I hated the move at the time, but it has worked out. Hopefully Keith will be able to handle 3B.
All of that money to Juan Soto and he's not even all star starter.
"Generational talent." lmao