I hope AJ would. Doesn’t match up with our desire to be competitive this year. Trading Cease would vastly deplete the rotation - even if Roki signs. I’ll accept that AJ might trade him if Roki signs but would prefer not. SD need to solidify the middle to back of rotation not deplete the top.
I'n today's game, Stanton's production doesn't look so bad, but what remains looking fugly is his contract. There's no unloading his contract unless it's a Rendon for Stanton, my ugly, for your ugly deal. I don't even think attaching a Dominguez level prospect would help, but that's the stupidest thing the Yanks could do considering that his contract didn't stop them from offering Yammy $300 mil, or Judge $360 mil or Soto $765 mil. Yanks' strength is money, and their ability to rest bad contracts and what we don't have enough of ever is too many prospects. Cashman did a great job using our system in trades.
Fever… actually in this case that rating is based more on what is coming up behind this current group. I agree that they will be impactful which is why they are probably not spending on FA’s this year . Big acquisition next year and extensions coming down the road to try and lock up younger home grown players rather that let them hit FA.
personally i would rather make the playoffs 4 years in a row with no titles than trade 3 crappy seasons for a title. life is short and baseball seasons are long
He won't get Sale or Cole money, which is part of the point of the extension. And he was right to refuse to overwork his arm without an extension. I'd have done the same thing. You have to put yourself first.
Yeah the A's only averaged 11k fans in 2024, and that's only because some games had big crowds from a fireworks events or a Yankees/Red Sox opponent. Most games were 5k fans and super depressing. Getting 14k excited loud fans every night will be a lot more fun to watch
Joemo… yes those championships should buy some equity and trust with the fans. They have the top rated farm system… a young core of position players and pitchers and are set up for success moving forward with financial capacity to spend on the right fits and talent at the right time. They deserve some credit for what they are building.
The Dbacks will pay down some of Montgomery’s salary to move him. You shill for the Yankees, why not shill for the Dbacks and several other teams who might pay down some salary to bring those players to equal footing with the remaining starters on the market?
Flaherty and Pivetta will get more than $18M. It doesn't make sense to under-utilize Schmidt when he has a high'ish-ceiling. Worry about the injuries when they come. Moving Stroman means more money to address the lineup on paper.
Lots of low cost arms still available in free agency without having to give up anything in trade.
While the A's are not likely going to be looking at guys like Flaherty or Pivetta (though they should) someone like Jose Urquidy brings tremendous upside if they could get him
If DJ can remember how to hit that’d be amazing. Even just .250-.260. He’s the best fielder NYY has. They would love to be able to play him every day. NYY needs Big Maple in the line up. Alonso? Santandar? They are stuck with Stroman unless a team is desperate during the season. Boston & San Fran look like they will have pitching injuries during the season.
knowing how cheap this organization is, I will wait to see if Cherington promotes Chandler to the majors.
Especially considering the pitcher just signed is a possibility for being a starter.
Tell us, genius why this is a possibility if Chandler was a shoo in ?
Probably would not get any of them. Likely a package of prospects. Ruiz could be traded though or Seth Brown. Bleday has CF locked down in my opinion. Shuemann is a great backup for Jacob Wilson and Gio Urshela. Don't see him leaving.
The Yankees are not going to trade Hampton for one year of Arraez even if the Pads take on Stroman's entire salary. They could've included Hampton in a deal for Kyle Tucker.
The issue with Stroman is there is a greater than 50% chance his '26 option will vest not knowing what you're going to get.
It’s the combination of analytics fanboys and Cherington cheerleaders at work. Again. It’s tiresome. This team as built is a 70 win team for ‘25, that is, unless their starting pitchers can go 7-8 innings every time out. And that’s a laugh.
They’ve done nothing to address their anemic offense. They have holes in their defense. It’d be laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic
Oh for sure, but this is great for baseball. He is going to make a lot of money in TV revenue with now getting 100% shared revenue. He could also just sell the team to Lacob and make a huge profit as well.
Brew- cronenworth isn’t 3 war 1b and that’s what he will on this team long term. Xander needs to be the long term 2b. So if they need to move someone for financial reason he is my top choice.
Hahahahhaha please take Stroman please hahahaha NYY will pay Stroman to Pitch against them, that’s what they think of that amazing signing hahahahhaha when are people going to start laughing at the NYY from office ?
Bregman? Pass
Arraez? Pass
Walker? Pass
Let’s see if NYY realizes they desperately need a bat to help Judge. Maybe Alonso? Santandar? Big G is not enough. They need big maple in there. And Boone has to stop hitting AJ in the 2 & 3 hole. He should be a Clean up hitter. But that if 1-3 can get on base!
A lot of former Yankees, Stroman would fit in. How much they pay down. Increase level of talent coming back. A’s have not been at minimum spending salary for years. Have really screwed over their fans.
Huh? I think Stroman would be a perfect fit for SFG. Pitchers' park, deep RF fence, humid air. He could be a rock solid back end guy, exactly what they need.
The point is the A's need to spend more so getting Stroman would fit, though I think the yanks would probably still have to toss in 5mil or so as per that last report. But the A's have some players I'd be interested in like Max Shuemann or Estuary Ruiz.
slider I'll take a guy who puts the ball in play over someone who walks more any day of the week. Generally speaking, players with higher averages tend to walk less.
Salzilla - I don’t know much about Yankees farm but see that #2 is only a 50 so, not a great crop left after recent trades I guess. SD isn’t a lot better off.
Maybe a Chase Hampton type and 11 mil / year (if he exercises option)? We can add Chase to the mix of maybe back end guys if we miss on Roki.
Might save us enough $$ for 2 of Rizzo/Peralta/Solano.
Yeah there may be holes in this just like every other trade proposed on this site but there is some both team upside there.
For anyone that doesn’t like Stroman or Arreaz, ok but realize apparently NY and SD are at least engaging on this trade scenario - at least the internet says they are!
As a SD fan, I’m acting as if Arreaz IS going to be traded not if I like it. I’m acting as if SD has the needs and can’t just spend to fill them and these guys would at least adequately fill more needs for same money.
The ballpark in Sacramento only holds up to 14,000 and they've almost sold out of season tickets. It actually kind've sucks for fans like me because it's going to actually be expensive/difficult to get tickets
but from late-july to mid-sept things were rough.
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It depends on what you look at. In his last 8 starts, he had a 42/3 K/W in 25.1 IPs with two HRs. That's about unhittable.
The rangers have a good amount of rotation pieces as long as everybody stays healthy, trading for a starter doesn't make much sense at this point, maybe if a couple injuries happen in spring training or first month of the season
Allin - Agreed. The 1980 and 1990 Red Sox constantly added players trying to 'compete' every year (bragged about how many straight year over .500, but it always caused them to come up short of their WS goal with rare exceptions..... like the Yankees the last 15 years).
After the Red Sox failed to 'run it back' in 2019, they needed to rebuild, but had many long term contracts, and their farm system was not strong enough for an immediate contender. They were fringe Wild Card contenders, but why add to those teams when it would only delay the rebuild (the mistake the Yankees keep making and will not correct until Cashman is gone). What point would there be to add to a team that would fail in the wild card round or ALDS. The Yankees only made the WS, because the AL was historically bad in 2024. They were nowhere near as good as the Dodgers!
The Red Sox have rising position player stars, and Breslow is building pitching depth that will be the envy of the MLB. These are ingredients for a sustained run competing for WS titles not playoff exist like the Yankees over the last 15 years.
I am truly glad Red Sox ownership has not listened to the whining 'fans' and stayed the course! They will be more successful for it. I want WS wins, not playoff exists.
Well, I’m one of their fans but season tickets aren’t happening. Traffic between the Bay Area and Sacto. sucks. Haven’t heard back yet from the other guy.
Goku the Knowledgable One
Keller and Davis for Cease. Who hangs up first?
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I think Pitt hangs up. Keller is still pretty decent, and they need hitting a lot more than pitching.
Also because Chandler performed exceptionally well between Dobule-A and Triple-A. He's probably the best non-Skenes pitching prospect they've had since Gerrit Cole. He was even seen as a better prospect than Jones at the start of last year.
Gang, nobody is taking DJL's contract. He's done.
Stanton? He absolutely has value but also has a NTC.
Stroman? Considering his comp is Montas, his contract isn't THAT terrible. Pitching is going for silly money and he has a solid resume....especially away from Yankee stadium.
He already met the criteria to make player option available in 2026.
He needed to pitch 140 innings in 2024 not 2025! He threw over 150 innings in 2024 thus triggering the 2026 player option for Stroman. Unless baseball reference has wrong contract details, but they typically have it all correct.
I mean, I think it's pretty obvious at this point that they will add a back of the rotation starter in free agency between $8-12 million so they can get over that $105 million tax threshold so they PA doesn't file a grievance
Pretty wild that they have to “pay down” salary of Stroman while mediocre pitchers are getting comparable contracts on the open market: Cobb, Montas and the question mark that is Clay Holmes.
Media hatchet job on Stroman has killed the value.
I agree. Id rather see what a healthy Ian Anderson can do in the rotation and have the Braves address the bullpen by signing Tanner Scott and avoid Stroman.
Especially when you know you can revert him back to the pen
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That's what I was thinking as well. Anyone can fail, but Hoffman looks pretty solid at this point. He has a 2.70/3.02 ERA/FIP over the past three years, so I think his past is behind him.
I think the floor is a slight overpayment for a useful RP, and the ceiling is that we get some control over someone that could still fulfill his #1/9 draft promise.
I love how fans just assume players they don't like can be unloaded somewhere else. hey i don't want this bad player with a horrible contract but certainly 1 of the 29 teams will take our trash lol
The Yankees unloaded Hicks with years left on his deal. Why not the same for DJL. He's taking a spot on the roster for someone hopefully more productive.
birds - Dude nobody is basing off his best year. Arenado had a CAREER .871 OPS and 122 OPS+ prior to last year ..... then he put up a .719 OPS and 101 OPS+ stinker last year.
It's cool you like him and want to support him, but you might want to stick to reality.
As an american i firmly believe there are no ramifications for anything ever
I hope AJ would. Doesn’t match up with our desire to be competitive this year. Trading Cease would vastly deplete the rotation - even if Roki signs. I’ll accept that AJ might trade him if Roki signs but would prefer not. SD need to solidify the middle to back of rotation not deplete the top.
Problem is, it's like trying to give away toxic waste; no one wants it, even if it's free...
Ben Rice could definitely be that guy.
The As are going for it, trying to climb out of the bunker.
Pads because NYY doesn’t have a Strohman to trade.
You have a 1b near ready guy that might be comparable to what an over the hill Rizzo type could project?
Stanton has a full no trade clause and is unlikely to waive it for any team other than maybe the Dodgers
Y'all got Montas, Canning, and a reliever for your rotation...don't look too far for castoffs.
If he is in usual form, he can hit 30 homers in Yankee Stadium
@mlb
I'n today's game, Stanton's production doesn't look so bad, but what remains looking fugly is his contract. There's no unloading his contract unless it's a Rendon for Stanton, my ugly, for your ugly deal. I don't even think attaching a Dominguez level prospect would help, but that's the stupidest thing the Yanks could do considering that his contract didn't stop them from offering Yammy $300 mil, or Judge $360 mil or Soto $765 mil. Yanks' strength is money, and their ability to rest bad contracts and what we don't have enough of ever is too many prospects. Cashman did a great job using our system in trades.
Fever… actually in this case that rating is based more on what is coming up behind this current group. I agree that they will be impactful which is why they are probably not spending on FA’s this year . Big acquisition next year and extensions coming down the road to try and lock up younger home grown players rather that let them hit FA.
I'm wondering same on Iglesias. He's not the greatest, but he had a pretty good season last year.
personally i would rather make the playoffs 4 years in a row with no titles than trade 3 crappy seasons for a title. life is short and baseball seasons are long
An 0.9 WAR player is far from being "legitimately one of if not worst every Dat player".
Pivetta would be awesome for the A's, I'd love that
How is more and more like a lemon. He hasn't thrown a pitch yet.
He won't get Sale or Cole money, which is part of the point of the extension. And he was right to refuse to overwork his arm without an extension. I'd have done the same thing. You have to put yourself first.
That doesn’t mean they want to pay for other teams cast offs.
Yeah the A's only averaged 11k fans in 2024, and that's only because some games had big crowds from a fireworks events or a Yankees/Red Sox opponent. Most games were 5k fans and super depressing. Getting 14k excited loud fans every night will be a lot more fun to watch
Joemo… yes those championships should buy some equity and trust with the fans. They have the top rated farm system… a young core of position players and pitchers and are set up for success moving forward with financial capacity to spend on the right fits and talent at the right time. They deserve some credit for what they are building.
Hey Heyman.
The Dbacks will pay down some of Montgomery’s salary to move him. You shill for the Yankees, why not shill for the Dbacks and several other teams who might pay down some salary to bring those players to equal footing with the remaining starters on the market?
You're probably right
We don't want him. We would rather keep Maeda.
Dodgers. Baseball is a joke and no one else cares to sign anyone.
Flaherty and Pivetta will get more than $18M. It doesn't make sense to under-utilize Schmidt when he has a high'ish-ceiling. Worry about the injuries when they come. Moving Stroman means more money to address the lineup on paper.
They averaged about 14,000 fans per home game last year which is max for their temporary home. I bet the team see that as a wash.
Pfffft. Deal with it babies.
A Seth Brown if/of player isn't terrible either tbh.
He had a .547 OPS the third time thru, with a 7.0 K/W. And that by definition is facing the #1-4 batters.
I feel like Stroman and an IF prospect might be what they'd look at, but who knows. Either way I think they line up solidly.
Yankees need him for batting pratice
Kidding… very well said and needed! Great post!
Sadly, that's probably 7000 more season tickets than they've sold in years...
Both
Lots of low cost arms still available in free agency without having to give up anything in trade.
While the A's are not likely going to be looking at guys like Flaherty or Pivetta (though they should) someone like Jose Urquidy brings tremendous upside if they could get him
You’d make a good GM, Bucco. But you make too much sense to work for Nutting
If DJ can remember how to hit that’d be amazing. Even just .250-.260. He’s the best fielder NYY has. They would love to be able to play him every day. NYY needs Big Maple in the line up. Alonso? Santandar? They are stuck with Stroman unless a team is desperate during the season. Boston & San Fran look like they will have pitching injuries during the season.
Looks like a 6th or 7th place finish in the NL.
Red Sox management sucks.
knowing how cheap this organization is, I will wait to see if Cherington promotes Chandler to the majors.
Especially considering the pitcher just signed is a possibility for being a starter.
Tell us, genius why this is a possibility if Chandler was a shoo in ?
they should aim to get a prospect or even another ML bat as an add-on for taking on a guy like Stroman or Montgomery.
Probably would not get any of them. Likely a package of prospects. Ruiz could be traded though or Seth Brown. Bleday has CF locked down in my opinion. Shuemann is a great backup for Jacob Wilson and Gio Urshela. Don't see him leaving.
They didn't unload Hicks. They are still paying his salary this year!
The Yankees are not going to trade Hampton for one year of Arraez even if the Pads take on Stroman's entire salary. They could've included Hampton in a deal for Kyle Tucker.
The issue with Stroman is there is a greater than 50% chance his '26 option will vest not knowing what you're going to get.
It’s the combination of analytics fanboys and Cherington cheerleaders at work. Again. It’s tiresome. This team as built is a 70 win team for ‘25, that is, unless their starting pitchers can go 7-8 innings every time out. And that’s a laugh.
They’ve done nothing to address their anemic offense. They have holes in their defense. It’d be laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic
Crochet is #2 at BetMGM at 7/1.
For now. Most of the Yanks starters are injuries waiting to happen.
Oh for sure, but this is great for baseball. He is going to make a lot of money in TV revenue with now getting 100% shared revenue. He could also just sell the team to Lacob and make a huge profit as well.
Brew- cronenworth isn’t 3 war 1b and that’s what he will on this team long term. Xander needs to be the long term 2b. So if they need to move someone for financial reason he is my top choice.
Arraez, Cease & Cronenworth
For Strohman, Dominguez, Peraza & $8mil to help the Pobres pay the bills
Who says no?
Taijuan Walker .... c'mon down!
-signed all phillies' fans
Hahahahhaha please take Stroman please hahahaha NYY will pay Stroman to Pitch against them, that’s what they think of that amazing signing hahahahhaha when are people going to start laughing at the NYY from office ?
Bregman? Pass
Arraez? Pass
Walker? Pass
Let’s see if NYY realizes they desperately need a bat to help Judge. Maybe Alonso? Santandar? Big G is not enough. They need big maple in there. And Boone has to stop hitting AJ in the 2 & 3 hole. He should be a Clean up hitter. But that if 1-3 can get on base!
A lot of former Yankees, Stroman would fit in. How much they pay down. Increase level of talent coming back. A’s have not been at minimum spending salary for years. Have really screwed over their fans.
Huh? I think Stroman would be a perfect fit for SFG. Pitchers' park, deep RF fence, humid air. He could be a rock solid back end guy, exactly what they need.
The point is the A's need to spend more so getting Stroman would fit, though I think the yanks would probably still have to toss in 5mil or so as per that last report. But the A's have some players I'd be interested in like Max Shuemann or Estuary Ruiz.
I actually like Bido as the 5th if they can get a veteran guy as their 4th. Having Spence and Estes as long men in the bullpen would be great.
slider I'll take a guy who puts the ball in play over someone who walks more any day of the week. Generally speaking, players with higher averages tend to walk less.
I believe this is incorrect (and would be extremely unusual if true). The option is triggered in 2025 not 2024.
Salzilla - I don’t know much about Yankees farm but see that #2 is only a 50 so, not a great crop left after recent trades I guess. SD isn’t a lot better off.
Maybe a Chase Hampton type and 11 mil / year (if he exercises option)? We can add Chase to the mix of maybe back end guys if we miss on Roki.
Might save us enough $$ for 2 of Rizzo/Peralta/Solano.
Yeah there may be holes in this just like every other trade proposed on this site but there is some both team upside there.
For anyone that doesn’t like Stroman or Arreaz, ok but realize apparently NY and SD are at least engaging on this trade scenario - at least the internet says they are!
As a SD fan, I’m acting as if Arreaz IS going to be traded not if I like it. I’m acting as if SD has the needs and can’t just spend to fill them and these guys would at least adequately fill more needs for same money.
The ballpark in Sacramento only holds up to 14,000 and they've almost sold out of season tickets. It actually kind've sucks for fans like me because it's going to actually be expensive/difficult to get tickets
I agree with all of that.
My opinion is just that they should lean in on the rotation because the lineup is so dire (no one-fix solution)
Also, pirates will absolutely be looking to dump kellers contract at some point.
I'd rather take a season of Cease and Skenes (while Bob can still save 2mil in the trade) than dumping Keller for prospects next offseason etc
@coocoo
You mean besides the obvious? One is old and bad now, while the other fluctuates in value more than a penny stock.
If Yankees get 50% of Soto’s WAR from both of them combined, then I’d call it a win for Yankees.
@redwolves - why not? Assuming the Yanks eat some of the contract, I think Stro would do well in the pitchers park by the Bay
Stanton was the best hitter on the Yankees not named Soto during the playoffs.
Whatcha talkin about, Heyman?!
but from late-july to mid-sept things were rough.
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It depends on what you look at. In his last 8 starts, he had a 42/3 K/W in 25.1 IPs with two HRs. That's about unhittable.
Torontos bullpen was 29th in all of MLB in ERA, dead last in FIP. Totally a place they should add multiple quality arms.
Dodgers are annoying because the players take discounts and deferrals to play in LA. At least Yankees pay the premiums.
I’m glad it must be killing John Fisher to have to spend money (even though he will be making money because of it).
It’s not arguable that he’s the 6th best starter, it’s quite obvious
The rangers have a good amount of rotation pieces as long as everybody stays healthy, trading for a starter doesn't make much sense at this point, maybe if a couple injuries happen in spring training or first month of the season
Allin - Agreed. The 1980 and 1990 Red Sox constantly added players trying to 'compete' every year (bragged about how many straight year over .500, but it always caused them to come up short of their WS goal with rare exceptions..... like the Yankees the last 15 years).
After the Red Sox failed to 'run it back' in 2019, they needed to rebuild, but had many long term contracts, and their farm system was not strong enough for an immediate contender. They were fringe Wild Card contenders, but why add to those teams when it would only delay the rebuild (the mistake the Yankees keep making and will not correct until Cashman is gone). What point would there be to add to a team that would fail in the wild card round or ALDS. The Yankees only made the WS, because the AL was historically bad in 2024. They were nowhere near as good as the Dodgers!
The Red Sox have rising position player stars, and Breslow is building pitching depth that will be the envy of the MLB. These are ingredients for a sustained run competing for WS titles not playoff exist like the Yankees over the last 15 years.
I am truly glad Red Sox ownership has not listened to the whining 'fans' and stayed the course! They will be more successful for it. I want WS wins, not playoff exists.
Well, I’m one of their fans but season tickets aren’t happening. Traffic between the Bay Area and Sacto. sucks. Haven’t heard back yet from the other guy.
Unless they pull off a miracle deal Stroman is gonna be another pitcher being paid by NY to play for another team just like AJ Burnett.
Goku the Knowledgable One
Keller and Davis for Cease. Who hangs up first?
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I think Pitt hangs up. Keller is still pretty decent, and they need hitting a lot more than pitching.
Also because Chandler performed exceptionally well between Dobule-A and Triple-A. He's probably the best non-Skenes pitching prospect they've had since Gerrit Cole. He was even seen as a better prospect than Jones at the start of last year.
Gang, nobody is taking DJL's contract. He's done.
Stanton? He absolutely has value but also has a NTC.
Stroman? Considering his comp is Montas, his contract isn't THAT terrible. Pitching is going for silly money and he has a solid resume....especially away from Yankee stadium.
Looking forward to the upcoming Stromam instagram post/story with 5 different emojis
He already met the criteria to make player option available in 2026.
He needed to pitch 140 innings in 2024 not 2025! He threw over 150 innings in 2024 thus triggering the 2026 player option for Stroman. Unless baseball reference has wrong contract details, but they typically have it all correct.
Teams are much more desperate at the deadline.
All these additions to the a's must be stirring up season ticket holder interest among both of their fans!
Get Stroman and make the Yanks pay the bill!
I mean, I think it's pretty obvious at this point that they will add a back of the rotation starter in free agency between $8-12 million so they can get over that $105 million tax threshold so they PA doesn't file a grievance
Pretty wild that they have to “pay down” salary of Stroman while mediocre pitchers are getting comparable contracts on the open market: Cobb, Montas and the question mark that is Clay Holmes.
Media hatchet job on Stroman has killed the value.
I agree. Id rather see what a healthy Ian Anderson can do in the rotation and have the Braves address the bullpen by signing Tanner Scott and avoid Stroman.
Buster don’t be suckered into taking Stroman off of the Yankees hands. Stroman is not the right fit for the Giants
Especially when you know you can revert him back to the pen
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That's what I was thinking as well. Anyone can fail, but Hoffman looks pretty solid at this point. He has a 2.70/3.02 ERA/FIP over the past three years, so I think his past is behind him.
I think the floor is a slight overpayment for a useful RP, and the ceiling is that we get some control over someone that could still fulfill his #1/9 draft promise.
I love how fans just assume players they don't like can be unloaded somewhere else. hey i don't want this bad player with a horrible contract but certainly 1 of the 29 teams will take our trash lol
….and I love it
Flip to whom? He can't be flipped now?
But are they interested?
The Yankees unloaded Hicks with years left on his deal. Why not the same for DJL. He's taking a spot on the roster for someone hopefully more productive.
Cashman knew exactly what he was getting when he signed Stroman.
No way he is pitching 140 for the Yanks this year!
birds - Dude nobody is basing off his best year. Arenado had a CAREER .871 OPS and 122 OPS+ prior to last year ..... then he put up a .719 OPS and 101 OPS+ stinker last year.
It's cool you like him and want to support him, but you might want to stick to reality.
We and the Dodgers will be just fine.
dodgerblue.com/dodgers-added-70-million-in-sponsor…
Also, nothing being condescending about letting us know how we are doing in our own city?
The problem is Flaherty, Sasaki, Scherzer and Pivetta are all out there. Some are cheaper than Stroman or are a better option if they are more.
Rodon is a lock to get injured. They would be smart to keep Schmidt in a swing role and when the need arises bring him into the rotation.
Nobody is taking DJ and G is worth more to the Yanks as a DH than selling for pennies on the dollar