The Mariners kicked off deadline season by trading for Diamondbacks first baseman Josh Naylor, but it appears the club is far from done adding to its roster this summer. They remain closely tied to Arizona third baseman Eugenio Suarez in the rumor mill, and beyond that GM Jerry Dipoto himself spoke about the club’s needs in a recent interview on SiriusXM’s MLB Network Radio. Dipoto made clear that a priority for the club is adding a high-leverage reliever to the bullpen and went on to note that he expects the club to be “as aggressive as anyone” in that corner of the market.
That may seem like something of a surprise at first glance, given that Seattle boasts an impressive back-of-the-bullpen duo of Andres Munoz (1.35 ERA) and Matt Brash (1.04 ERA). While that pair is arguably the best one-two punch in all of baseball, the rest of the Mariners’ relief corps has been really quite pedestrian this season. As a whole, Seattle’s bullpen has a 3.81 ERA, good for 12th-best in the majors. Their FIP has been even less impressive, with a 4.06 figure that places then 17th among all big league clubs. Gabe Speier and Eduard Bazardo are arguably the club’s only trustworthy relief arms behind Munoz and Brash, so adding another leverage option to the bullpen who can push those two into middle relief would make plenty of sense.
As is to be expected, Dipoto did not mention any specific targets. There are plenty of interesting high-leverage arms who could make sense for Seattle to take a look at this summer. If the club is still intent on adding a player like Suarez to their offense in addition to bolstering their bullpen, perhaps adding a rental arm could be less taxing on their farm system. Cardinals closer Ryan Helsley is surely the best rental reliever available, but Twins lefty Danny Coulombe or perhaps even Braves closer Raisel Iglesias could also be intriguing candidates.
On the other hand, a controllable addition to the bullpen to join Munoz and Brash would be beneficial given that the Mariners surely hope to keep their current window of contention open for quite some time, and budgetary constraints left them unable to pursue high-priced additions this offseason. Someone like Pirates right-hander David Bednar, either Jhoan Duran and Griffin Jax of the Twins, or perhaps Pete Fairbanks of the Rays would come with mutliple seasons of control (two in the case of Bednar and Fairbanks, three in the case of Jax and Duran).
Regardless of whether the club’s relief addition is a controllable piece or someone who will reach free agency this year, another reliever would be a major asset to the club’s hopes of winning in the postseason this year. Having a third shut-down relief arm to pair with Munoz and Brash could give the Mariners a three-headed monster their starters can reliably pass the baton to during the playoffs to shut down the opposing offense. And given the vaunted crop of starters the Mariners have developed, rival batters would be hard pressed to score runs off that sort of elite run prevention in a short series.
Pierce Johnson incoming
Do you like Pierce as a reliable set-up RP? Numbers seem solid.
He’s solid. Can give you multiple innings too.
Could be. My spidey senses are saying Dennis Santana. Nice cheap fit and have him for 2026 as well.
Mariners send Harry Ford, Tai Peete, Teddy McGraw, and Dawell Joseph
Twins send Willi Castro, Danny Coulumbe, and Jhoan Duran
I’d be okay with that since the 2 relievers are controlled… thats a fair trade and gives the Mariners their 2 year window(Randy) a decent Shot
Actually only 1 is controlled, Duran but for for 2 more years of Duran is acceptable for Ford and PEETE? I’d prefer someone a little less closer to the Bigs…
Would go well with Mastrobuoni.
Mariners and Padres on the same page.
I can see both bolstering already great bulpens.
Mariners bullpen if you EXCLUDE Brash and Munoz numbers is really about 25th rated… TBH Mariners Brass know this is a weakness FAR more than 3rd Base currently
Accurate
It is a weakness, but it’s also fairly meaningless to compare any bullpen without its strongest two pieces to every other team’s full bullpen. It’s a bit like saying the Mariners line up without Cal and Randy ranks very poorly against every other teams’ full line up. Of course it does.
The starters, absent Woo and Castillo’s, also don’t rank well.
Bazardo has been really, REALLY good this year. He and Speier have been valuable to this team, they’ve both had their share of ‘bumps in the road’ but few RPers can give you upwards of 70ip w/o them.
Brash and Muñoz are not bulletproof either, they’ve both let in some R’s from either a lack of command, bad BABIP luck or even pitch tipping shenanigans in Yankee Stadium! No-one goes a full season w/o some adversity- “they’re only human, of flesh and blood I’m made” 🎵
The poor ranking from the SEA Pen as a whole imo comes from a combination of these 2 things. 1) A handful of RPers who’ve earned the right to climb the ladder up to pitch in high leverage situations have had titanic meltdowns giving up 4-5+ ER’s. You don’t need many of those outings before you see your BP Rankings fall to the bottom of the League. Thornton, Legumina, Carlos Vargas and even Snider before his injury have all had multiple outings like that .
2) Some of the blame can be chalked up to growing pains in Dan Wilson’s first year of BP mgmt. He was naïve at times expecting some of the RPers who had some success in the back end of 2024 to pick up right where he left off. Troy Taylor, Trent Thornton, Snider etc Frankly some of those in early game mgmt decisions by DW cost the team a few wins. They were that bad. Of course that is not unusual when you’re learning on the job at the highest level. Thankfully we have put those types of post game debates firmly in the rear view mirror
All teams go through the same issues the problem is we have 4 of them in this bullpen and WALKS have killed this bullpen… you Cannot WALK guys, PERIOD especially the 8th and oth hitters… trying to break in 4 rookies is never good for a Bullpen unless you’re the Sox… Maybe 2 Rookies with 5runs leads but really you’re breaking in Bazardo and one other… I like the Bullpen kids we have lets just let them grow up a bit more before force feeding them leverage situations and let them get get some ML confidence
Padres have Reynolds, Hoeing, and Jacob in AAA. In my opinion each have upside.
And a few more even that we probably see more of in 26. I’d be good with sending them Suarez for one of their younger SP’s that they seem to have extra.
You think Hancock and a 25-30 level prospect would work. His numbers are not great he had a few bad games last year and some really good ones and a great one. This year he struggled his first game then struggled in Chi Town. The weather was 90* and the wind was blowing out at 60 mph. Every pitcher struggled in that game. I think when he gets a permanent role as a 3-5 starter he will be a good SPee. The management of the snakes will see past the poor games. I think they could call him up to work in the pen. He is one of the decent arms they have.
Maybe. I’m probably not as educated on M’s prospects to say for sure but if they put a pool of 3 similar SP’s to pick out 1 from and threw in a 20-25 prospect I’d hope AJ would go for it.
‘aggressive in pursuit of’ is baseball’s ‘will confirm nor deny.
We’ll never know, until it’s waaaaaaay too late to matter.
Still would love to see a trade with the Twins for Griffin Jax and Willi Castro. The M’s do need two bullpen arms, not just one, so maybe get LHP Danny Coulombe as well. That would fill a lot of holes but not sure of the cost.
Same, would trade quite a lot for those three. Jax has 2.5 years of control so it probably starts with Harry Ford or Felnin Celestin (50 FV at Fangraphs). Then a good arm (Sloan 45+ FV) and probably more but I’d do it.
Sloan is still young and isn’t developed enough to trade. He has a ceiling of Garret Cole. He hasn’t done anything to say thats still not his ceiling. Too young with too much possible upside left to trade away. He might stall later into just being a back end starter, but nothing has said thats where he’s going yet. He is off limits.
Minnesota needs pitching, how about Bryce Miller and Hunter Cranton? Minnesota rolls the dice on Miller avoiding TJ and gets a good SP prospect. Seattle keeps Evans in the five and keeps Sloan in the system.
Evan’s yes, Miller no, he has far too much upside when healthy.
Thats a fair deal, Evans and Cranton for Jax and Castro, you dont get Coulombe though. You get righty Justin Topa who has a .336 BABIP and has pitched well all season.
Sloan is 6-0 with a under 1.00 ERA and has 4 legit pitches… he’s AA ready NEXT Season… have you seen the kid in Person? It’ll be race between him and Anderson who breaks the rotation first… and will be the Story of the year next year… you’ll see and with 98MPH easy he’s MUCH better than a backend starter like Evans
“Sloan is still young and isn’t developed enough to trade. He has a ceiling of Gerrit Cole” – if he really does have that ceiling that is one helluva trade chip.
Imo as long as Scott Hunter is employed by the Seattle FO none of our current Prospects should be off limits. Hunter has proved his worth to the Org and should be trusted to continue bringing in ‘future versions of’ our Sloan’s, C Emerson’s, L Montes and J Farmelo just to name a few. I’m not suggesting they trade every one of our Top 15 picks but no-one should be off limits. Besides why horde prospects when your newly signed superstar Catcher is having one of the best seasons in baseball history? It would be criminal to waste a year like this. I’m sure there are many in that SEA FO with enough Baseball IQ to know Cal will never eclipse this season- another reason the time to trade ‘a Sloan’ is now.
Ugh,we have those prospects because of Comp picks which we don’t get every year and if you’ve seen Sloan and our other SCOTT drafted Starter prospects than you know SLOAN is a Whole level ABOVE any of them… and it’s not even CLOSE. the DEBATE next year will be who is better Anderson or Sloan believe it or not as long as the 2 Stay healthy… I know it sounds crazy because Anderson was the 3rd Pick in the Draft but knowing and watching Both if these Kids Sloan going the College route may have seen him go top5 in the draft
You realize Sloan was the 8th Best Prospect in the Draft coming out of High School regardless of position so a couple years or even 1 in College and he’s a top5 pick with his FB…
Wrong. Unless someone way overpays, trading young controllable starting pitching is a fool’s errand. They are the most valuable resource in all of MLB & the reason so many trade proposals about the Mariners have other team fans trying to pry them away. Nearly every offer I’ve seen put forth is an underpay. Draft & develop your own or bring an offer that stings to give up. Brendan Donovan for Sloan is laughable.
Okay I’ll Bite, WHO are you trading SLOAN 🤔 FOR? and it better not be GENO… if it is think about the trade again and come back with a different player… so Controlled
Of course you would love to hold on to Sloan – he’s the Org’s best pitching prospect. He has impressive tools that give him a very high ceiling, one can dream on his comparative projections. However you’re missing the point.
I’m not saying go out and trade Sloan. On the contrary – I understand it is not a coincidence that Sloans could debut around the time Logan and Kirby would hit FA. I also know the top of the M’s farm system is dominated by hitters and the FO is yet to extend any of the 4 ‘homegrown’ SP’s in the rotation
I’m making 2 points here – 1) fans get tunnel vision on prospects, they fall in love with them believing there will never be another as good as someone like Sloan or Celesten. They are entirely convinced they have seen the future for these kids careers. No-one sees the future. No one knows what it holds – You can scream in all CAPS all you want but you’re having a laugh if you think you know what will happen in the next 3-4 seasons as these kids face stiffer competition and learn to train and play games for 8 months while traveling thousands of miles each year.
2) Our Org values Sloan highly, he’s your #1 Pitching Prospect, in theory they would ask for a lot back for someone like Sloan. My other point is – and let’s say for the purpose of this debate CLE wants to package Jose Ramirez and E Clase. Adding J Ramirez and Clase (if he’s not guilty of betting) possibly another RPer (w Josh Naylor) to our roster that instantly makes the Mariners a top 3 team in the AL with a legitimate shot at getting to the next 2-3 WS. If Ryan Sloan or Felnin Celesten is the piece that CLE simply has to have to make the trade the Mariners need to seriously think about having discussions on making that trade. It should ‘hurt’ to give up a piece like those 2 prospects but a FO has to manage a team like a business, a GM can’t run a team like a fan would. The FO has a structure in place where they have a Prospect Development dept that is the envy of the League. No other team in MLB has had the same volume of success with finding Pitching like Seattle. They picked Logan Evans in the 12th rd. Woo in the 6th, Miller in the 3rd round. Scott Hunter is envied all across the League. I’m not sure you understand his true worth and contribution to the future success of this Org.
@ayrbhoy You are right that Sloan is not untouchable. But it comes down to perceived value, which you make note of in your second point. The other team needs to value Sloan at the same Ace level and pay you accordingly. But they almost certainly are not. There are too many question marks in his short milb history to definitively say he is worth X capital. So if you think he is a 9-10, and the other team says there is too much risk and we only value him at 5-6. Then why sell at 5-6 value when he could gain value later? You can sell him in 2yrs at 9-10 or even keep him. But maybe his value does solidify at 5-6 in 2 yrs and he is exactly what the other team thought. Ether way, there is little risk to holding on, you can sell him as a 5-6 then. Now, like you said, if the other team values Sloan at 9-10 too, then we can make a deal. If Jose Ramirez is on the table, sure, I’ll put Sloan up there. But I’m not doing that for a RP and especially if I’m only getting what i think is 50 cents on the dollar. I got other players who are more surefire bets to be a 5-6 to replace Sloan with.
Clase isn’t playing for anyone until he finds out he’s banned for Gambling… and Sloan isn’t being traded period unless Seattle is getting someone like Skenes… Sloan isn’t 4 years away… Celesten I believe is 4 years away maybe 3 which makes him replaceable as that’s more then enough time to replace him… Sloan will pitch next year in AA if healthy and be ready spring 2027 for a rotation spot… I’d NEVER trade a Cost controlled SLOAN for CLASE who’s a Reliever… now a Mid Tier Prospect Yes… like maybe Peete who has strikeout issues even though his Power is Nice.. you’ll Never tell me about Scott value to the Mariners Organization as he’s saved Dipoto Job last 4 years
He’s a High Schooler coming back from Injury and YES he’s Untouchable I’ve been told by people who know M’s Brass… at least until next year whe. He gets a healthy year in AA to showcase himself…
The Upside of SLOAN is Way too high to trade for any reliever…
Bob- that is a well thought out response with many good points. It sounds like we look at the Farm System and the deadline through a similar lens.
I love this time of year- I get a real buzz out of all the trade talk and acquisition debate. I also find it really interesting to hear how many homes across the MLB Landscape have Crystal Balls in them! Its fascinating to read so many comments from fans who are completely convinced they know what a young HS, College or Intl player will become when they get to the Bigs. In a Sport where failure permeates clubhouses, where all it takes is one bad streak to bring the ‘whole house of cards’ down! Speaking of a lack of confidence where’s D-Mo’s streak? 2 for 60!? How’s he feeling? Haha
Too much to give up for a Reliever…
Celestin is going nowhere. He will be top 10 in top 100 prospects next year Him Colt Farmelo and Montes are untouchable. Farmelo might be able to be had for a huge haul. He will be patrolling the outfield in Seattle next year.
Absolutely 💯 NOT and you defintely haven’t watched Celestine play much in PERSON…
And he’s Blocked at SS by Emerson
Not all infielders pan out, but assuming they all pan out, Emerson would probably be our future 3rd baseman with Celesten at shortstop and young at 2nd base
I bet Montes is more available than fans would think. Lots of potential red flags for him becoming a star. Bad defender, probably a 1B/DH in the end, and higher K rate plus chase rates.
Have you even seen these guys Play? I’d Bet NOT
Farmelo won’t make the OF next year he’s at least 2 years away because of his Injuries…
Wouldn’t trade Celestin or Sloan for those guys or pretty much anyone known to be available.
Sloan and Felnin are about as untouchable as it gets in SEA
A Harry Ford headlined trade for Jax or Smith makes a lot of sense.
Something like Jax, Castro, Coulombe for Ford, Celesten and Troy Taylor would be a good deal for both sides.
Twins get two top 100 prospects, including a catcher ready to debut at AAA and a solid relief prospect who can step in now.
Mariners get replacements for their three most underperforming roles (Castro for DMo, Coulombe for Thornton and Jax for Thornton) and get Jax around long term to make a scary bullpen with Munoz, Brash, Jax and Speier long term.
That sounds like the price the Twins were asking for just Jax. Don’t think you’ll get all 3 for that. Not very common to see that many players in a trade either
Castro and Coulombe have limited value on their own as bench rentals. If it’s just Jax, I’m swapping Celesten for Peete.
Jax and Coulumbe for ford and clijntje, or however that’s spelled, and another pitcher further down?
Overpay big time, better off with a Rental
Keep Peete and trade Celesten… Peete way more power and nkt blocked by Emerson at SS
Ford would be able to be used in a trade for both jax and jhoan Duran
Yeah I doubt that. Each of them on their own will bring back a top 100 prospect +
Duran will but jax is probably worth closer to a 7-15 ranked team prospect
There is zero chance Seattle coughs up Ford and Celesten for a rental utility player, rental reliever, and two years (and two months) of Jax.
I rarely make definitive statements, but that’s one I’m pretty confident would never happen.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they move Raley for a reliever like Henriquez or Bird (perhaps with other pieces involved), but they can’t trade top prospects for minimal control. That’s not Jerry.
Jax isn’t minimal control and his FIP and stuff are elite. His ERA this year is representative of bad luck, not quality of pitching.
Two years of Jax and two months of the other two is minimal control, in my opinion.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to have Jax, but not at that price when there are other options.
You are on crack. Celesten is going nowhere. He will be a great SS in Seattle. If they trade him which they say they won’t Seattle will riot. The Celesten fans will just walk around the stadium then some will come out and riot. Will be like the summer of love. Dipoto will have most fans calling for his job. I just don’t think he is that dumb.
If you believe in Celesten that much then feel free to swap him out for another top 10ish prospect. I personally am lower on him as he hasn’t lit up A ball this year and his glove has been disappointing. He also isn’t on pace to debut until 2028 at this point which makes him easier to part with IMO (as it’s impossible to know who will still be on the team at that point as Castillo, Gilbert, Crawford and Arozarena will have all reached FA by then).
JP gone soon as Emerson is ready, and I’ve seen Felnin play 10 games this year in person and more on TV… he’s over rated in My eyes and has no Business ever being ahead of Arroyo or a few of the other H.S. Kids and I’d even put PEETE ahead of him currently… he’s 4 years away in My eyes and can be replaced with an ANOTHER International prospect if they keep Emerson at SS… Cash in on Him ASAP while his Prospect Value is SKY HIGH
Us fans in Seattle never riot, we could trade Raleigh to the Yankees and our park will still get 40k a game
It’s more about the experience out here where we are kind of like Rockies fans and go to games for food and entertainment even if the team loses 100 games
If we was getting 40k a Game Payroll wouldn’t be a Problem…
That’s funny. Mariners have averaged 28,000 people a game this year. Not even close to 40,000 a game.
99% of Mariner Fans couldn’t spot him on the field without a Number on even after watching his Swing in the baters Box… 💯
Compass – the fact is, SEA currently has too many 2B/SS top 100 prospects to keep them all. One or 2 good players eventually will be traded. More important to my point – there is no guarantee “Felnin Celesten will be a great SS”
You of all people, like myself, a Mariners fan, should know that. We have seen multiple ‘can’t miss prospects’ do exactly that- miss meeting their expectations.
If I’m honest I believe its not your fault you think “Seattle should riot if they trade F Celesten” – the Prospect Industry is guilty of force feeding us fans hyperbole and false promises.
Case in point Lazaro Montes – the young man unfairly, right or wrong, will always battle the comparison to Yordan Alvarez. Why? Is it because Montes had similar bat control at a young age, similar patience and light-tower power at a very young age like YA? There are some similarities but no, not exactly. Alvarez was a more advanced hitter at that age.
No, LM is being compared to YA mostly because of these 3 facts – a similar build, the same Country of birth and the fact that he had the same trainer as Alvarez early on in his life in Cuba. The same ridiculously high ceiling was set for Felnin Celesten because he received Seattle’s highest signing bonus ($4.7M) ever given to one Intl FA and one sentence that described (at the age of 17 no less.) – “He has the highest ceiling of any Intl SS Prospect in a decade.” Its not your fault CompassRose that you think Celesten will be as good as F Lindor, J Peña, J Cameinero or Wander Franco. We are all guilty of believing that tosh, that utter fantasy.
The Prospect Industry might want to preface these best case scenario comps with “MLB is extremely hard and chances are this will not come true but he could possibly be…….” Otherwise fans assume the possible to be fact.
I agree, I’ve watched him play in person and he may mature but if it’s Emerson, Young, Arroyo, Montes, or Celesten… Shoot Celesten is GONE!!! I’m Partial to Cuban born players because of the extreme poverty they’re born into and they really give it their EVERY shot they have to be the best and propser in Life… but after watching 20 games of Felnin in person and knowing he blocked by Emerson with the Prospect Value his Name Hokds he’s defintely the piece I’d trade as he’s 4years away and most likely to BUST… the higher level the guys are at(Dominant) less chance of BUST you have…
Now with that being said, I’m not advocating to give him AWAY either… I wouldn’t trade him for a Rental or even a Reliever with 1more year control but for the right player I’d move him… I’d have gave him straight up for Randy last year but TB always wants Volume and especially from US… The Mariners
ayrbhoy, I see this differently. I don’t think Seattle has a surplus of middle-infielders in the top-100 and will need to trade a couple.
We don’t know if Williamson can handle a regular role. We’ve seen even less of Young. We don’t know if Crawford should or will be extended. Lots of unknowns right now, regardless of how promising they are.
Ideally, you want fallbacks in each wave. Seattle has that right now..
But it’s not that I think Celesten should be off-limits, or that he’s destined to be the future at SS, it’s that his potential value to the future of the team is likely higher now than he is as a trade chip.
That’s enough reason for me to hold on to him.
Stevil- I didn’t say trade Celesten. His name was used to describe how fans can get ‘blinders on’ Prospects after reading a phrase like “he could be the best Intl SS in the last decade.” I used Celesten’s name as an example of how the Prospect Industry can use hyperbole in a way to describe the future path of a player as an inevitable outcome.
Regarding saying there are too many 2B/SS – there are currently 5 Top 2B/SS in the system I’m including Cole Young with Colt Emerson, F Celesten, Arroyo and Tai Peete. 6 if you include this yrs pick Kendrys Martinez.
Yeah, I understood what you meant about Celesten, I was simply explaining how my opinion was the same as his, but for a different reason.
Regarding middle-infield prospects, Peete isn’t top-100 and he’s now an outfielder.. He’s not even top-10 for Seattle (updates are coming soon and Anderson will likely be top-5; Locklear will rank higher, etc.).
But my point about the infielders is that it’s too early to say anything definitively. We don’t know if Cole Young is their second baseman for the future. We don’t know if Emerson will replace Crawford. Seattle will need utility infielders as well.
Each of those top prospects should get a long look before decisions are made, and it’s possible all of them will be needed (and not just due to performance, as arbitration raises and injuries could influence use).
Worth noting, Seattle drafted a lot of college arms in the later rounds and they’ve had a lot of success in previous drafts with that strategy. It makes me wonder if they’re willing to move a starter like Cijntje. in a package for a starter they can use immediately.
If an infielder is traded, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s someone like Rodden. But Emerson, Arroyo, Celesten, and Young are probably more valuable to Seattle’s future than as a trade chip.
Tai Peete is a Centerfielder… umm
A CF this yr who’s also played over 100 games in the INF- at SS 3B 2B last year. Now granted his speed may be better suited as a CF but if we’re trading a player like him the trade partner may value that positional flexibility differently- they may want him to play him at 2B. They may have a need for us to fill ….
It’s all coming out in the wash soon! Jerry is certainly talking a big game right now. It would be a best case scenario (duh) if we can keep all those guys you mentioned and somehow get another quality bat and 2 Pitchers (at least!)
I could see him sold as a utility player or a player a team could experiment with.
I’d have no problem with Peete getting moved. I suggested that myself. I don’t see him as a needed piece for Seattle. The problem is that he isn’t hitting. It’s boom or bust with him and it’s mostly been bust, but maybe a team will think they can fix his swing and approach.
No way Celestin would be in a deal did those guys.
Way too much Prospect value for far too many rentals… Ford is worth a Controllable Reliever by HIMSELF… hitting Catchers are as Hard as hitting 3rd baseman to Find
Off-Topic but I was wondering if I could get any opinions from you guys on how you think Dan Wilson is doing generally. For the first time I’ve been hearing some rather negative feedback about him, but in my mind he doesn’t seem to be any better or worse than Servais. They are both low-key pro-player guys who aren’t going to come down hard on anybody. Now I don’t listen to Sports talk radio or hang out in any message boards besides this one really, so maybe this negativity towards Wilson is more commonplace than I realized???
He’s in a Tough position because of the weak Mariners Bullpen… we’re 2nd worst in Blown Saves running 4 rookies out there so he’s praying and hoping 🙏 starters can get out of 5th and 6th inning JAMS like Gilbert today because of ZERO confidence our Non leverage relievers can strand the runners. You blow saves or leave a Tired starter in… you Hope the Veteran can find a way like KIRBY did 2 games Ago. Apart from that playing Solano and Dmo against Lefties Fans complain about but they’re on your team and have to play sometimes albeit Dmo can’t catch up to a chest High Fastball this year even when He knows it’s coming like clock work. I’d like to see a little more hit and Run in his MGMT to stay out of Double plays but who else are the Mariners going to hire as a MGR? The Ownership is Cheap and REAL MGRs want Real players 1-9 and when you’re Middle of the Road Payroll why would a HOF Coach like Bochy agree to be the MGR? I think he’s what he is… an inexperienced MGR learning on the JOB and I don’t agree with some of his Pinch hits or that he doesn’t bunt enough late in games but he could be WORSE for Sure
Wilson is beloved, and is a good player’s manager.
His in-game decisions are poor. (way too much bunting, obsessing over platoon advantage so much that he’s often bypassing better players for worse ones, rigid traditional reliever usage, which leads to underusing Speier and Muñoz in high-leverage, and overusing Thornton, Bazardo, Vargas.)
Wilson has probably cost the M’s 3-5 wins so far this year.
Too much Bunting? Are we talking about the Mariners? Aren’t we last in sacrifices and Sac Flys?
Wilson has definitely made some questionable decisions, but we’ve seen less of them of late and some of the things he’s taken heat for were understandable.
The most important choices & decisions come from the analytical team. Wilson has the respect of the players and has them prepared to play every night. I think he’s fine, I just wish he showed a little more fire at times. I think he misses opportunities to energize the team at times.
What a massive overpay
After that 54 percent disaster this guy really uses the buzz words fans will eat up.
Buzz words 54 percent of the time.
We will be 54% aggressive this deadline
That’s the formula for winning…he will never live that down.
Im sure being able to not live that down from fans with no braincells is a bit worry of his
Only 54 percent of braincells.
We already went past 54% agreesive with the Naylor trade already…
Mariners alot better than 54% if we didn’t have 19 brown Saves 100
54% of the time, he’s right 100% of the time.
Get some new material, it’s getting real old.
Sorry Wayne, I disagree…
The 54% jokes were old a year and a half ago. Now, they’re just simply ridiculous.
Good point.
I welcome rational criticism. I dish out plenty myself when I feel it’s warranted. But sometimes it feels like people prefer failure so they can trash the organization.. I’d much rather see success and praise the them.
But, to each their own, I guess.
The real joke is not having won a world series or even having been to one, 54 percent or not. And what’s ridiculous is our ownership that’s not committed to winning. All talk no action.
That’s not a joke, it’s a tragedy and inexcusable.
Just like 54 percent isn’t a joke…it’s an excuse. Joke is the ownership.
Then why do so many fans keep attempting bad jab-jokes with it?
Move on….
Because it clearly represents the train wreck the organization is. Stanton and Co wants people to move on. As long as people keep spending money on tickets to attend mediocrity, nothing will change.
If you had 3 braincells and could take part in an actual conversation you would realize what Dipoto wants and you want are the same thing. Dipoto doesn’t want 1 year of success then a bunch of failure he wants sustainable success and championships. Winning at an average of 54% (when he said this) over a 10 year period = top 10 win % and multiple w.s. wins. Try and have some critical thinking. I know its hard but if you really really try I’m sure you have it in you
I disagree. It represents bitterness with outdated delivery.
Fans should be vocal with criticism as well as praise where valid, but it should be specific and up to date.
Wow, blessed to have 3 braincells! My 3 braincells are screaming, “sell the team!!” An actual owner and actual GM might try to win. Just because you have one point of view, doesn’t mean it’s gospel. I’ve seen enough of this team over the decades to know Stanton and Dipoto aren’t the answer.
People buying tickets and supporting a mediocre team isn’t specific? That’s kind of the reason the team hasn’t gotten deep into the playoffs for over 20 years. Tough to be up to date when the last time they’ve done anything is that long ago.
Never mind the braincell bit. We all want the same thing. I just think we should focus on the present and a lot of fans do.
I hated the covering for Stanton as much as the next guy, but I like the advances we’re seeing in the development of hitters and I think they’re well-poised for a makeover over the next 2-3 years while legitimately contending if they don’t move key prospects for limited help.
They spent Big Money in the 2000’s
I wouldn’t call them Mediocre this year other then the BULLPEN… theyre 5th in HRs and what 7th In Runs Scored? Before Naylor… with Players under contract multiple more years
What type of make over do you see?
No, it isn’t specific. You’re not identifying what the team is doing wrong and asking fans to not support their team isn’t realistic.
Not having spent in the offseason? That’s probably fair, but I think it’s also fair to wait and see how things look after the deadline and at the end of the season.
That was when Nintendo owned us, now Stanton has been our owner ever since dipoto came here
We did have a decent payroll from 2016-2018 but it hasn’t ever been the same since then
And infield of Locklear, Young, Arroyo, Emerson and Williamson; an outfield of Arozarena, Julio, Canzone, Montes; a rotation of Gilbert, Kirby, Woo, Anderson, and Sloan.
And there are prospects behind these prospects. It’s impossible to speculate much on bench and bullpen, but it looks like there’s a plan for a promising transition with perhaps a couple of more extensions.
Nothing is guaranteed, but I like what I’m seeing.
Problem with the Ms is the owner of Nintendo ran it like a business. He wanted positive income and spent little. It was always a money maker for him. Can you believe an owner that never saw his team in person? He was afraid to fly so he never got over here to see them. He wouldn’t even take a train to see them play when they were in Japan or have him driven to one.
Stanton ran it like a business too. It kept Nintendo America running through some tough years. Millionaires not too proud to take money from other millionaires just to get more money. We need to get Stanton away from the team and get a good owner. This using the team as a cash machine in Seattle. I believe they need to make a profit but realize that getting into the playoffs will make more money. Looks like they are smartening up and spending the money to get into the playoffs and maybe het to a WS. Trade the correct pieces and bring the the right pieces back. We have enough prospects to keep the ones we need that will be a huge part of the team in 2-4 years. Ford is blocked Cal. I think we owe it to him to trade him to a team that needs him and he wants to go to. He looks ready to come up. Use him as a huge trade chip because he will be great.
And to be clear, I’m not so naïve as to think that every one of these prospects are going to cut it, but there’s a a path laid out with multiple top-100 prospects. That’s encouraging. We’ll see how things progress over the next 2-3 years,
The one thing I’d say about Ford is that he doesn’t have to be traded at the deadline. If they move him, I’d hope that it’s for a controllable starter, which may be more likely in the offseason.
2/3’s of owners don’t spend. (Like they could) There is no garuntee that a new owner won’t also prioritize net profit. Generally, these are business people who buy teams desiring to maximize profit. Nothing will change because there is NO MOTIVATION to sell a cash cow. Casual fans will not stay away when they spend just enough to field a competitive team. You’d have much less frustration following one the third of teams who do spend to your liking.
In any given year, at least 28 teams are run like a business. The Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, can always justify 50% more salary than their competitors because they have larger markets and better marketing.
The Mariners have to be savvier, better at drafting, developing, trading, and signing the talent that they need. They have been very good drafting & developing under Dipoto, but not trading and signing. Trading has been mostly churn with a few hits and several big misses, and the signing, even allowing for budget constraints, has done more harm than good..
can the draft/develop overwhelm these flaws and lead to a championship team? Yes. If the starters were healthy and productive (6/7 of whom were drafted and developed), 2025 could have been the year.Right now, it’s look8ng more long shot than probability.
To be fair, I hadn’t heard the 54 percent things so I looked it up.
Considering the Mariners have a .533 win percentage, technically they are on track.
But I do hope they do better. Their fans here seem knowledgeable and friendly overall. Good luck.
Mariners have had HOF Franchise Players that were great and friendly so Seattle is a Very Loyal Baseball town… problem is the Supporting cast of those HOF players 💯
I always bring up Frank MCcourt as the worst Dodgers owner. But there was also the Fox era that was cheap and horrible too.
While I’m glad Adrian Beltre ended up having an amazing career in a city that showed him love, he should have never made it to free agency.
So to those who bang on the current Dodgers for smartly using the resources they have, remember the cheap owners we had to deal with for years. Same market, same team, very different results.
In what universe would a Raisel Iglesias acquisition be interesting for anyone except opposing hitters?
Great career but this season he has been bad, really bad.
From June 6 to July 18 he gave up a total of ZERO runs. Doesn’t seem bad to me. Earlier he was bad. July 19th he was bad. But I am only interested in August September October. I like his odds. Value June July more than April May as they are closer to present and future.
Last three innings, three hits, three walks, five earned runs, era over 5 for season, but you gave him a spirited defense. Fair enough.
Suárez plus prospects for Ford and Evans. Pads could also include Arráez or Cronenworth.
Defintely a PASS and Mariners aren’t giving up Evans for a Rental with Injury concerns
What injury concerns?
Our pitching staff has lingering injury concerns… lets Hope Miller Sirgery isn’t worse then Thought this Off Season…. Inflammation on Golbert and Woo early was a concern also…
Ok – I read “for a rental with injury concerns” to mean you were talking about Suarez who would be the “for a rental” but he has had no injury history.
Meant can’t afford to send MLB Ready starter in case someone goes Down even NEXT year…
Ron that would work for a 15-20 level prospect. You have a 1st bm in that range that looks good? I could see that work.
Our relief situation is really bad since we have to throw people like bazardo or legumina in the 7th inning so it would be nice to acquire 1-2 more relievers
It also doesn’t help that our starters are not going as deep into innings as last year so that strains the bullpen even more
See my comment right above yours. What if the Padres included Matsui or Peralta, along with Suarez?
Bazardo has been great. But we do need one more arm.
Something like Suárez, Cronenworth, Salas, Peralta, and Bateman for Ford and Evans.
The M’s get the MLB saves leader, their 2nd baseman for the next 4 years, one of the top catching prospects in baseball, some immediate relief depth, and a solid starter prospect who’s only about a year out.
The Pads get their catcher of the future, and someone who I believe is a future number 2 starter to help replace Cease/King.
Have to pass. Bateman and Salas are already the Padres C and #2 of the future. Why bother.
Suarez for one of the other younger SP’s mlb ready (or currently in rotation with less control) and I’d say ok.
Both teams get immediate help where they need it.
Long-Because Ford can come up now (DH while learning the staff while getting C innings in blowouts) and Evans stabilizes the pitching staff for next year, while giving us a solid, 4 now.
SD has about 4 guys that can fill the 4 spot for 25 and years to come. That doesn’t do much for me.
2026 – Joe, Nick, Yu, Bergert, Kolek, Vasquez, Hart and a few other guys in AA / AAA for more back end depth.
All SD needs is to sign King or similar to anchor the front and rotation is good for years (barring multiple injuries).
You should be banned from commenting further.
Seattle has their 2nd bm of the future. He will become a better hitter next year. There is a trainer in Seattle forget his name but a lot of players come here and work under him. I imagine Young will go there too. Replace Evans with Hancock and it might work. He is better than the way some feel about him.
Bazardo has been Nails for the Mariners this year… how many Wins and Blown Saves does he have? And he’ll only get better with more expierence
We’ve been spoiled by massive names in rumors or traded in the last couple years (Soto, Turner, Shohei, Devers). But at the end of the day the deadline is always about adding to your core with pitching depth and veteran bats. Naylor, a stud reliever, and a couple lower name pieces (platoon RF bat vs righties and a reliever) is what the Mariners need.
This right here, a solid Bench like Castro and a Leverage Bullpen piece makes this team a MUCH Better team 💯
@carto. Canzone is in RF and has been so good they’re batting him against righties and lefties!
They specifically talked last night about how weird it was to have Canzone in the lineup vs a lefty but Anderson doesn’t have normal splits vs lefties.
Did you mean a platoon OF bat to face LHPs? Canzone is their guy for RHPs. They’ll get Robles back in September. I don’t think they’re concerned about the outfield.
Relief pitching is definitely a need. They could use three or four, but even two would help a lot.
Yeah. Against lefties. My bad. Robles is a bonus if he returns, not something to count on.
I don’t think they can trade for a player with the intention of using him for 20 games or so.
Canzone has only had 18 PAs against LHPs. I don’t think we know that he can’t, or shouldn’t, face them.
I’ve wondered if they might move Raley for a reliever and bring up Samad Taylor for a super-utlity role, which would give them another alternative for RF if they’ve soured on Moore.
I’d much rather see them Move Raley… please
Just for those of that don’t know BAZARDO has 1 Blown save this year and a Career winning percent of 100% at 7-0… He’s a competitor and I’d NEVER trade Him for an Different ARM…
He also has a terrific name. Glad he’s living up to it.
BIZARRE he’s started 7-0 😳for an M’s receiver lmao 🤣
*reliever
Bednar I’d like, I’d give them Caron and Celestine with them shipping a LowA pitching propsect back the M’s Like 👍
He has an additional year next year and you could essentially re-flip him if put of it next year but that’s Unlikely with Mariners Rotation 💯 if he splits the 8th with Brash next year he’s Valuable…
You can go ahead and trade Celestine but Celesten is off the table. Not sure why so many want to trade him so bad. He will soon be our top prospect and in the top 10 of the top 100 soon.
Ford is blocked and needs to be traded. Find him a good team that we can get a good return from. We have enough prospects to not touch the top 5 guys.
You know I meant Felnin, I don’t know why it auto corrected to that… we’ll see but I believe he is Over rated and I’ve seen him plenty… time will tell
Glad you can project a 19yo far into the future. Do you have tonight’s winning lottery numbers as well?
Not saying he’s a Bad prospect but watching Alex Rodriguez and Griffey As Minor leaguers among multiples others over 40years ive seen 😳 future stars and he doesn’t strike me as a top5 prospect…
Ford isn’t Blocked because Cal legs are giving out and you haven’t noticed how he FADES end of the Year every year? We need to have him catch Less games(110max) DH 50 and have insurance for Minor injuries.. Can Ford catch 50games next year and DH 60games is the Question… if he Can he’s untradeable… this FARM is about Depth and winning the Division the next 3 years after this year…
M’s need a lefty relief pitcher.
They need good relievers. With the three-batter rule, I don’t think it matters that much and they have a good one in Speier.
Imagine if Jerry gets Duran and Suarez ..
The Mariners should not worry about future budget restraints. World Series Championships print money.
Go Ms!!
Would love if we could pluck a reliever from Pittsburgh, specifically Bednar or Santana.
I think the Cardinals are going to be open for business here soon. Matz and Maton make sense for the Mariners.
I’m all for Maton, he would be a strong addition and is having a typically very good season. Matz is a decent fallback option, but not really the high leverage arm I hope we add since he would fall behind Munoz, Brash, Speier, Bazardo, and maybe even Vargas.
Matz makes sense. He could also be stretched out to potentially start if the Mariners decide they want a lefty starter before Anderson is ready.
Our rotation is solidified. If we’re trading for a starter, it either needs to be an upgrade or someone with options and without the ability to refuse an optional assignment. Matz provides neither of those. He would be a reliever only if we bring him in but isn’t enough of an upgrade for me to hope they trade for him.
He’s a reliever. But he could start if you needed him to. He would easily be one of the Mariners best 8 relievers. So hes an upgrade. You want to look up his stats?
I streamed Matz on my fantasy team all of June so I’m very familiar with his stats and statcast numbers. Him potentially being one of the 8 best relievers is irrelevant when you have to trade assets for him and then pay his salary. The M’s have budget constraints–have you ignored that for the last 3 years? On top of that, he has no options. The back end of our bullpen under Dipoto has ALWAYS had options remaining.
If we’re trading for a reliever, it’s not going to be a minimal upgrade, it’s going to be for a big fish. Did you even bother to read the article before commenting?
Who said you had to pay his salary?
The Mariners have Munoz. The Cardinals are probably trading Helsley but thats not who the Mariners needs they need setup guys. Like Maton and Matz.
Options? Dude your team has made the playoffs once in the last 20 years. I dont think you understand how winning games in September works.
I don’t care what you think I do or don’t know, I’m telling you how Dipoto and Hollander operate and team build. You taking pot shots at the M’s success or saying I don’t understand winning doesn’t change that, nor does it force the M’s to trade for Matz since I have no say in the matter and I’m pretty positive neither of them are on here thinking “Oh! King of Cards says we need to trade for Maton/Matz, NOT Helsley, so we should do that… also, we don’t need our back end relievers to have options anymore!” Btw, I already said I was for Maton so not sure why you’re throwing him in the mix, acting like I don’t want him.
Anyway, what I’ve noticed is you constantly tell other teams’ fans what they need and what their GMs should do as if you know more than them even though you have NO IDEA about the intricacies of each organization’s philosophy. You’re exactly like that other Cardinals fan, so I’m guessing you went through a username change lol
Mariners are thinking about making the playoffs the next 5years in a Row, not this year… so controllable arms are definitely what they’ll be going after… Cost will determine if it’s a Rental or Controllable BP ARM but I truly don’t care which way or the Other so Long as we get at Least ONE ASAP 😁
Agreed, but I guess it won’t be Emmanuel Clase! lol
I would love to see the M’s swing big with the Twins for a package centered around Royce Lewis and Griffin Jax. The next few days should be interesting around MLB
He was bounced from the Angels due to poor choices.
He wasn’t bounced from the Angels, fyi, he resigned because he was tired of being GM in name only while Arte made dumb transaction after dumb transaction.
He wasn’t great in Anaheim TBH… but SCOTT has done a Phenomenal job in Seattle since 2014
Scott got fired.
Scott HUNTER is currently with the Team and just had another Phenomenal Draft
He’s been with the Mariners since 2014 as International scout before being promoted in 2016 to director
We were talking about Dipoto, so I assumed you meant Servais. Hunter has only been director of amateur scouting since 2016. He was an international crosschecker prior to that.
No I’m talking about Scott Hunter and even when he was International Jerry trusted his opinions on American players and after a couple years Promoted him… maybe you’re talking about Servais I’m not… Dipoto has been Doo Doo in Seattle truthfully…
Suarez… Ray… Garver… all have been Fails… he got lucky on Castillo because it was a Salary Dump and Randy was also but we actually gave them great players for 2 years of Randy… SCOTT was an advocate for Robles as he Loved him while with the Nationals System… and believed he could be fixed… Scott Hunter is 10X more Valuable to this Franchise than Dipoto EVER will be…
Nobody was talking about Servais either so not sure what kind of “comeback” that was lol. NO ONE in Seattle refers to Scott Hunter as “Scott” while EVERYONE referred to Servais as “Scott,” so it was strange to name drop him like that in the same breath as Dipoto. Maybe they call Hunter “Scott” in LA but only because you’re the only M’s fan there hahaha.
Jokes aside, I’m a big fan of Hunter as well. I like Dipoto, Hollander, Hunter, McKay, and Firman.
I hate 😒 Dipoto TBH as he TINKERS too Much… what is a GENO and a Robbie RAY WORTH at the deadline if still Mariners and us being out of the RACE? Trading Geno’s contract for Graver Contract should’ve got him fired… Garver been hurt his entire career and was ALWAYS going to be a Backup to CAL… I will give him Kudos for the Randy Trade in the shadows of everyone chasing Paredes from TB…
On another Note you’d be Suprised how Many Mariner Fans there are in San Diego especially but with 30Million people in Southern California I’m definitely not the only M’s Fan bro…
I’m praying it’s finally Clicked for Dipoto and he realizes one Rental isn’t worth 5 playoff series in the next 6 or 7 years with the depth theyre building 🙏 Scott Hunter knows if you dont have the top10 puck in the draft take the Top5 H.S. kid who’ll be the Top5 pick in 2yrs… and overpay the SLOT but get him UNDER CONTRACT… let him get his 2 years of College experience in A Ball
I was being a bit facetious haha I assume you can find a fan of any sports franchise in a region with 25 million people.
That’s an interesting perspective on Dipoto because I feel he’s been the exact opposite and has been unwilling to trade the top tier guys for win-now pieces. I want to hang on to our top 9 or so but am fine giving up a bit for controllable players who will impact the big league roster. Now is as good a time as any to go for it.
I think a Jax/ Castro trade. Give them Hancock Demo and another 15-20 pitcher. Play Castro at 3rd and keep Williamson for the bench. He could play SS ,2B if someone got hurt for a game.
Run differential suggests the M’s will be on the outside looking in when the playoffs roll around.
Not with an improved BP, we have 19 blown saves… only one worse is Anaheim plus JP hasn’t been getting on base in July and the RUN Differential pre dates NAYLOR
I see 3 less w/ 16 & Los Angeles Angels w/ 15
teamrankings.com/mlb/player-stat/blown-saves
Run Differential hasn’t changed for the better with NAYLOR around cause in 2 games he hasn’t done Jack S and him alone probably won’t change the direction either way significantly w/ the type of hitter he is this yr.
D-Backs had a -15 RD in 2023 but went on to play the +165 RD Rangers in the World Series.
Phillies in 2022 w/ a +62 RD & Braves in 2021 w/ a +134 RD beat The Trash Cans and their +219/+205 RD in the World Series.
Run Differential is fine to to look now at but once the short series start in October, its not helpful to determine which team gets hot to win it all.
2025 Team Blown Save
LAA 24
BOS 20
SEA 19
fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&st…
-StrandedM’sFanInL.A.- U were spot on with 19 for Seattle but don’t know where teamrankings.com/mlb/player-stat/blown-saves?rate=… is hiding the other 3 for Seattle, 4 for Boston or the 13 for LAA????
Doesn’t mean as much as you think it does because some divisions are weaker than others and teams score ALOT against inter division trash teams… wait for the sellers to sell and then see what the 2nd half difference is…
Run differential is such an overrated method for analyzing ability. Losing two games in absolute blowout fashion doesn’t negate ten close wins.
Exactly, everyone wants to spit out Savant or Run Differential when it doesn’t reflect the blow out games when a Positional player or AA relief pitcher gives it up easier than a Girls first Senior Prom Night wink 😉
I see the same expert Mariners fans whining about the same thing. we have the capital to pull off a trade but they think our prospects are untouchable.
You want to win? Then trade some of these guys for real pieces to win now…none of the guys you say we shouldn’t trade are guaranteed to be good. It’s baseball. And baseball is tough, so trade em while people think they have value because they each have a less than 5 percent chance of being good. That’s the reality.
You’re the same whiners that says management does nothing. You sit back and second guess like you want us to fail. Five years from now you’ll be whining when none of these prospects are superstars. Look at history of prospects. Nothing is certain in the development of talent.
So if we can get a Jax or Duran to shore up the pen or secure another bat to win now, we should.
You can’t have it both ways. Keeping your harry fords of the world, who will be serviceable at best, or trading to win now. Let the hate begin. But you know I’m right
RE: Top prospects
“Less than 5% chance of being good”.
Where can that information be reviewed? WHO defines “top prospect”?
Is this a stat or an opinion?
Every Single top10 Prospect of the Mariners in 2o20 made the Major leagues and had a Career so the 5% is WAY OFF… thats the percentages of ALL Minor Leaguers with the 20 and 3o rounders dude… go back and look at whom our top10 prospects was in 2020… and most of them was NEVER TOP100 including CAL RALEIGH or Gilbert or WOO
Top 30 Mariners 2020 Prospect Rankings according to MLB .com
mlb.com/milb/prospects/2020/mariners/
7 of the 30 are currently on an MLB roster w/ 4 on the M’s but don’t quote me on that, The clock was ticking while checking
They avg of draft picks that make a play in a ML game is 15% some teams are 18% but that includes the 20-30rounds and defintely not Any Teams top10 prospects… if a Kid makes MLB top100 he’s going to get his Shot 100% sooner or later because every Scout thinks he’s a ML player… and best of the Best in the Minors…
You realize you’d be talking about trading 2 of 🙄 Julio, Gilbert, Kirby , and CAL RALEIGH RIGHT? 🤔 aNd Noelvi Marte and Fraley who got us CASTILLO…for 50 days of GENO… Which of those 2 players would you give UP for 50days of GENO? CASTILLO or 2 of the other CORE PLAYERS SIR?
You don’t need them to be SUPERSTARS… you have Julio and CAL… you do need them to be solid AVERAGE ball players and you’re FINE
Go get Clase and Kwan. Just do it.
Why over pay for Kwan when you have Robles? I mean if you get him with the intention of flipping him again that works 💪
What do Clase and Kwan cost? Or Clase and Ramirez?
Kwan would be a Great ADD for the RUN… YOU CAN DROP JP to 7th and lead off Kwan but then you SIT Canzone
Cause just got Suspended by MLB going to have to be a different reliever…
Actually for a reasonable trade for low A talent anyone of the controllable relievers is good fit and great get for the Mariners to solidify their Bullpen for next couple years… 3 headed Monster with Bazardo and Spier sounds GREAT!!!! MCgraw, Raley, Morales or any of the guys 2years away is a FAIR deal for Mariners…
I mean MORE than 2years AWAY
Gents- just saying if you want to win now, then pull the trigger. We can’t have it both ways. Complaining we never do anything or waiting for talent to develop. Sure there is a risk. But if you want to win within this window, then we do need to put major league talent on the roster. See the Giants of last decade. Excellent pitching, decent hitting, and traded their prospects for role players that brought them 3 WS. Sure it hurts them now, but it was great during the run.
Just not sure what you guys want. Hold these prospects and win later? Or win now with a talented pitching staff that needs bullpen help and another bat.
We dont really need another Bat but we defintely need 2 more Bullpen Arms… another Bench player wouldn’t hurt though like Castro
Seattle Mariners reach the World Series for the 1st time in there history. There opponent, the Phillies. That’s my prediction. Phillies in 6.
Anyone Who thinks Sloan will be included in a Deal doesn’t see the future of the Cheap Mariners ownership… you can’t trade those Top5 prospects for Rentals because you have Julio, Cal, and the Whole pitching Staff coming up on New Deals…Castillo will fall off and you hope to get a similar extension out of Gikbert for Castillo salary but with middle of the rotation guys getting 25M per and Aces getting 35-40M per in 3 years you’re looking at extending Gilbert, Woo, Kirby, Munoz and BRASH… Sloan isn’t going anywhere as he be the Replacement of the Starters you lose to the Yankees or METS when they open the BAG!!!
All of those young kids we have will be core players on cost controlled contracts through Arbitration… I can see them moving FORD but defintely NOT for RENTAL after Dipoto had to shell out 2yrs/25M for a backup catcher and part time DH in Garver… he see’s FORD as 5yrs and a savings of 12.5M per or 50Million DOLLARS!!!! who’s going to move that kind of Savings for a RENTAL? Not any GM that wants to KEEP their JoB!!!
Won’t be CLASE!!! He just got suspended by MLB!!!
All of them will be core players??? That’s a bold statement. But again, if we want to win now, shouldn’t we move them for some pieces that can contribute today? We have a talented roster but are missing a few pieces. This team could be dangerous in short playoffs series but lack a reliable reliever other than brash and Munoz. I do think they need one more impact bat. Better this year, but prone to real stinkers at times.
All I’m saying is we either try to win now, or like you all say, wait for these young guys to contribute. I don’t think banking on prospects is a way to go. For every Julio and or cal, there are 5 Danny hultzens or Dustin Ackleys.
In the history of sports, baseball draft and development is uncertain. Of the thousands of prospects drafted since the inception of this club, guess how many homegrown all stars????
Mariners have had 39 all stars in 38 years. Of those, have many did we draft and develop? So, yeah, I’d say the odds are less than 5 percent that our current top prospects will be amazing.
Not hating, that’s the reality of baseball. It’s extremely difficult to predict. What we do know for certain is that they have value now.
Once again go back and looknat Seattle top10 in 2o20…
Great. It does work out from time to time. But more often than not prospects don’t.
We can continue to complain or make it happen. As I stated earlier, look at the Giants. The most WS in the last 15 years. Drafted and developed a killer pitching staff and bullpen. Drafted and developed a few key hitters like posey, Crawford and belt.
Traded the farm for role pieces that contributed. Won within a window, and yes, it’s hurt them now, but nobody was complaining back then.
Let me ask what it is you want? Win now? Or later?
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If the mariners traded a few of their top prospects and won the WS would you be upset? Isnt point to win now? Even if all those guys became studs, we couldn’t keep them all, and that window is years away. I’ll tell you right now that Jax or Duran would contribute tomorrow. Why keep harry ford? He’s the next Jason Kendall. Trade before he fizzles out
I’ll make you a bet that 10 years from now only 1 of the top 10 prospects are on the mariners roster. Nobody’s actually seen any of these guys play other than some YouTube clips.
I’ve seen them ALL play in person Multiple times and so has Scouts hence the reason they’re top50 prospects in ALL of Baseball… and Sloan, Anderson, Emerson will be ALL stars..Stars… Arroyo I’d bet you makes more than 1 ALL star game before his career is over… he’s a Young Polanco
Haha. They did exactly what I said they should do. Impact bat and bullpen. And they didn’t give up that much. I’ll eat crow if it fails. Which is certainly a possibility