Red Sox designated hitter Rafael Devers spoke to members of the media today, including Alex Speier of The Boston Globe. Devers said that chief baseball officer Craig Breslow recently asked him about playing first base in the wake of the Triston Casas injury. Devers said that he is unwilling to take up the position, adding that the club told him to put away his glove when they moved him from third base to designated hitter this winter. He feels that the team has now gone back on its word. He also responded “Sí, claro” when asked if he was upset by the request.
“I know I’m a ballplayer,” Devers said, via translator, relayed by Speier, “but at the same time, they can’t expect me to play every single position out there. In break training, they talked to me and basically told me to put away my glove, that I wasn’t going to play any other position but DH. So right now, I just feel like it’s not an appropriate decision by them to ask me to play another position.” Devers added this about Breslow, per Speier, “I’m not certain what (issue) he has with me. He played ball, and I would like to think that he knows that changing positions like that isn’t easy.” Speier relayed more from Devers: “Here in the clubhouse, thankfully, the relationship that I have with my teammates is great. I don’t understand some of the decisions that the GM makes. Next thing you know, someone in the outfield gets hurt and they want me to play in the outfield.” As for the first base spot, Devers seems to think an external addition is the answer, per Christopher Smith of MassLive: “Now I think they should do their job essentially and hit the market and look for another player (to play first base). I’m not sure why they want me to be in between the way they have me now.”
Perhaps he will alter that stance in time but he seems to be taking a strong stand for now. Per Smith, Devers doesn’t think there’s a chance he’ll change his mind. “I don’t think so. They told me I’m a little hard-headed. They already asked me to change once and this time I don’t think I can be as flexible.”
It’s been a strange few months in terms of the relationship between Devers and the Red Sox. Throughout the winter, the club was connected to third basemen Alex Bregman and Nolan Arenado, despite Devers seemingly having that spot locked down. Devers has never been a strong defender, so there was some on-paper logic to the consideration of moving him elsewhere, but there was the question about Devers himself and how he would feel about being displaced. The two sides had agreed to a nine-figure extension in January of 2023, a contract which runs through 2033, so the long-term relationship would obviously be a real consideration.
Breman remained unsigned into the middle of February. The Sox scooped him up at that time on a three-year, $120MM deal, though one with notable deferrals and opt-outs after each season. The club didn’t immediately come out and declare their intentions in terms of defensive alignment and Devers was adamant that he would stick at third base. He said that he had been promised by the club that he could stay at the hot corner for the long term. Manager Álex Cora dismissed that promise because “That was under Chaim,” referring to former chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom. The Sox fired Bloom towards the end of the 2023 season and eventually replaced him with Breslow.
It soon became clear that the Sox wanted Bregman, the superior defender, to take over at third. Devers would be the club’s full-time designated hitter, not even playing the field occasionally. “Raffy is going to DH,” Cora said in March. “We had a conversation, we talked about it. He’s DHing. He’s the DH of the Boston Red Sox. One thing is we don’t want him to overthink it. Don’t get caught up in the whole thing. He’ll be OK.”
Though Devers was clearly not happy with being moved off his position, reportedly even thinking about asking for a trade at one point, he did strike a more amicable tone eventually. In the middle of March, with the start of the season just about two weeks away, he said: “I’m good to do whatever they want me to do,” he said. “I’m here to help. I’ve already spoken with them about that, and they know where I stand. I’m just ready to play.”
That all seemed to be working fine enough for the first few weeks of the season, until Casas suffered his aforementioned injury. A ruptured left patellar tendon last week led to knee surgery for Casas and he is going to miss the remainder of the 2025 campaign.
That quickly led to speculation about Devers being a good fit to replace Casas. In the initial aftermath of the injury, the Sox used guys like Romy González and Abraham Toro to cover the position. Those two have generally been light-hitting utility guys in their careers, less than ideal solutions for a bat-first position like first base.
Moving Devers into the spot would seemingly make things easier for the Sox. While learning a new position midseason would certainly be a challenge, first base is generally considered to be lower than third base on the defensive spectrum, with many subpar third basemen having become adequate first basemen over the years. Doing so would also free up the DH spot, opening up more at-bats for players other players. Outfield prospect Roman Anthony and infield prospect Marcelo Mayer are both somewhat blocked from regular playing time at the moment. It’s also tough to find a spot for Masataka Yoshida, currently on the injured list, as he’s also an outfielder. A poor defender, he was the club’s primary designated hitter last year.
Cora has publicly said a few times recently that he hasn’t asked Devers about the switch, but it appears the Red Sox privately considered the plan and Breslow initiated the conversation, which Devers didn’t take kindly to.
From his perspective, it’s understandably been a jarring half year. As of a few months ago, he thought he was Boston’s third baseman and seemingly felt secure in that role. Now he’s been shaken from that security and has been asked to adapt.
Still, his response has been bizarre and hasn’t always reflected well on him. It’s pretty rare for a player to refuse to do something his team asks of him. In fact, there have been dozens of players over the years who have switched positions in order to help their team. Learning first base might not be Devers’ ideal outcome but there’s little harm in exploring the possibility by taking some grounders and feeling it out, especially if the team thinks it can help them win some more games in the long run. Though Devers maintains the clubhouse rapport is good, it’s fair to wonder if any of his teammates are upset about this hardline stance, since it’s doesn’t appear to be a team-first decision.
Additionally, when discontent develops between a team and a player, efforts are usually made to keep it private. It’s especially uncommon for a player to criticize his team’s front office leader, especially for making a fairly understandable inquiry.
It’s inevitable more developments are forthcoming with this story. For now, it appears Devers will stay in the DH spot. If the Sox are unhappy with his refusal, there’s not too much they can do about it. Whatever drama has been happening off the field doesn’t seem to be impacting him at the plate. He has a .246/.370/.430 batting line and 123 wRC+ this year, even though he went hitless in his first five games of the season. They surely don’t want to subtract that bat from the lineup.
For the record, Devers does not have no-trade protection in his contract, so they technically could just run him out of town if they really wanted to. But there’s no indication that is a consideration or even a remote possibility. Even if they did come to a point of wanting him gone, shipping out a contract that still runs for eight-plus years and has far more than $200MM left on it is hard to move at any point. That would be especially true in the middle of a season, when clubs have mostly spent their budgets. Also, other clubs are surely aware of the public drama and would try to use it as leverage in any talks if Breslow called them up.
Unless more developments arise, it seems Devers will stick in the DH spot. The Sox will try to cover first base with guys like González and Toro, at least for now, though it’s possible they could pursue first basemen in the coming weeks and months.
As for the relationship between Devers and the Sox, this surely isn’t the last we’ll hear about it. As mentioned, Bregman can opt out of his contract after this season and seems to be trending towards doing so, since he’s having a great year. There may eventually be questions about whether Devers would be an option to retake that spot in 2026 or if the club would want to keep him as a DH for the rest of his contract, while someone like Mayer or Trevor Story or Kristian Campbell takes over at third. That means more twists and turns are fairly inevitable, in a saga that has already had plenty.
Photo courtesy of Ken Blaze, Imagn Images.
I’m sick of him, ship his ass to Miami or somewhere that will cater to his every wish.
Great player – terrible attitude.
*hitter
Amazing how a fan favorite can turn in himself like this. We put up with his “defense” because of his bat and infectious attitude. We’ll always appreciate his ability to hit but some of the romance has disappeared. If he looks inside, he has to understand him not playing third is better for the club. The play Bregman made today, there is no way Raffy does it. The team has an emergency and options on how to best improve the roster has to be on the table. I think he privately has tried first and Cora has been covering for him.
“Amazing how a fan favorite…better for the club”…Raffy Devers is part of the “me first”, I’m all that matters, entitlement club.
Maybe at some point Raffy discovers that there’s actually other people(to consider)besides himself in the world. Or, maybe not.
simon – Agreed, Devers is an excellent hitter.
So I was right all along. I said all along things would not be cool with Raffy, he wouldn’t “get over it” within just a few days after how badly they treated him, and that a trade is probably coming eventually.
And I have never been more proud of him!! He is holding them accountable. He will not allow them to disrespect him anymore!!
Cora is like the girl who breaks up with her longtime boyfriend (Devers) because she found someone else (Bregman), says she never wants to see him again, turns her back on him, and then later on when she needs him, he tells her to go pound sand.
Hey Cora, was all this worth one year of Bregman? You’ve successfully alienated one of the chillest and most talented hitters in MLB, the face of the franchise. Congrats, hope it was worth it dude. Karma is a you-know-what.
And now the Sox have no choice but to either pursue other first base options, or force him to play first base … which they can do, but do they really want to?
Fever—spot on. I’m in the vast minority on this one, but for once, I agree with Devers. I’m not a Devers fan at all, never was, and hated the big contract. But I think he’s right. He’s been treated terribly through this whole mess, and I believe it’s time to move on from him and trade him during the offseason.
Chance – We may be in the minority here, but in the baseball world there are PLENTY of people who understand how badly Devers was treated and why his feelings are justified. At the end of the day, Raffy is a human being who deserves just as much respect as any other team’s longtime franchise player.
I am so damn proud of him!!
I typically agree with Fever but not this time. Given the contract, Devers is acting like a spoiled two year old.
@fever does his contract explicitly say that Devera must play thirdbase? If not then he should play whatever the team tells him. Bench him until he gets it.
dewey – It’s cool my friend, no two people agree on everything.
I can relate with Raffy and understand why he feels the way he does. I wouldn’t expect everyone to.
We probably both agree the best resolution now is a trade.
Raffy is hitting well and seems healthy. His OPS is .834 and climbing. I’m happy he will stay at DH. His shoulders are probably happy they are no longer slamming into the ground. All the drama about his position will likely be forgotten. It looks like it will go down as a bump in the road in Devers’ career.
south – The third base issue is done and over with, but to answer your question it was a verbal promise …. nothing written in the contract.
And yeah, sure the team has every technical right to force him to play first base ….. but again, if his heart isn’t in it and his head isn’t in it ….. is it worth forcing him?
Remember he’s got the upper hand, he’s got the guaranteed monster contract.
Dodgers Jr.
You tell Devers “Go back to your country,” Devers is a baby, you are a big-ot.
Idk if this is on cora. Sox made a good move bringing in bregman. Upgrade to the lineup and in the field.
With that – I don’t blame devers for not wanting to change his position. It’s not selfish it’s smart. He hasn’t played a single inning of 1B in his 9 year career. This is on the GM for not upgrading 1B and putting their star player into a bad spot. Trade him? The Sox should have a good year, and they already diminished his value by making him one dimensional – even if he did lead the league in errors every year since 2018.( Still a 94% fielding pct)
FPG – I was writing this slightly long winded defense of Devers when I erased it all for this short defense.
Good for him!
Breslow has been here for a minute and a half, lied about where Bregman was gonna play. Tell Devers to throw away the glove, and then says, throw away the fielding mitt for the first baseman mitt.
Screw you Breslow, you messed this up seven ways to Sunday, and, to top it all off Bregman Is gonna leave after the season, and then what, Breslow gonna ask Devers to go back to third?!?!?! Get a clue, and a plan POBO
Devers is like the bizarro Mookie
Screw you Breslow, you messed this up seven ways to Sunday
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Breslow seems very thorough. He was likely just exploring all possibilities when he asked Devers if he was willing to try 1B.
I don’t follow the Red Sox drama but I’ve been coaching for 11 seasons and if one of my best players told me he wasn’t willing to fill a position that we feel he can handle and also helps the team, that player would get a healthy dose of reality and probably wouldn’t be wearing my jersey very long.
You’re getting paid to perform for what the team needs, not the other way around. Google ‘Mookie Betts’ if you need further explanation.
@FPG: We are hardly privy to all of the inner workings and I am sure that there is some blame to be spread all around. I know that many Red Sox fans are upset with Cora and the front office for a number of reasons. And I am viewing this at a distance as a Phils fan.
But for heavens sake, Devers is whining like a toddler. When one is being paid hundreds of millions of $$ to play the game at the highest level it is an honor. He was never a good (one of the worst) defensive 3B and there was good reason to acquire a GG one to improve the squad. Devers has been a DH in waiting for quite a while now. But when the team would be better if he grabs a glove and does his best to fill in at first and learn a new position, then pick up the damn glove and learn a new position.
Or maybe he is just smarter than a Mookie Betts…better than Bryce Harper. Better than Craig Biggio or Jose Altuve or any number of other HoF track / HoF players that moved for the good of the team without a complaint.
If I were Breslow, I would hand him the damn glove and make him work for the next month with the infield instructor at first base – coming in early for the extra work. And if he didn’t take the glove, i would find a nice little stuffy and a blankie for him to hold while he rides the pine and cries for the rest of the season. Sheesh.
nuke – Don’t you think it’s a bit unfair to ignore the fact that Raffy’s position is in response to what was done to him last offseason.
Would YOU repeatedly tell your longtime best player that his job is safe, all the while knowing he will lose his job before the season starts?
Would YOU tell your longtime best player who has played more innings at third base over the past 7 years than nearly anyone else that he won’t even be allowed to occasionally play the field during the season?
If neither of those things happened, then Raffy would have been open to making the switch to first base.
For you to ignore all the circumstances that led to Raffy’s interview today, it’s kinda disingenuous … don’t ya think?
Fever – so, you dont see anything wrong with devers attitude? Im confused, youve been screaming from the rafters all spring how devers should be allowed to play 1B, and, how devers wants to play the field and should get the chance now that casas is out, or, so it feels like…
Im confused to be honest.
Carver – With all due respect, if you absorbed as much about this situation as I have then I think you’d have a better understanding of where I’m coming from.
For instance I’ve seen the full video of the interview, he was not whiny or angry at all … he was smiling, laughing, and spoke in a very professional manner. You’re just reading typed words, which can be very misleading.
Sure we aren’t privy to all the inner workings, but what we do know is all offseason while Cora was telling Devers that “he’s their third baseman” they were actively pursuing both Bregman and Arenado for third base. That is a fact. But they chose to lie and deceive Raffy right up until the start of ST. That is absolutely indefensible, as was telling him he would not play even one inning in the field ever again.
So how about showing some empathy for Devers?
As for trying to compare transitions by Mookie (who BTW had over 2,100 innings at 2B and SS in the minors), Harper etc I would bet anything none of them were lied to and deceived the way Raffy was.
And correct me if I’m wrong, wasn’t Harper’s transition necessitated by his serious UCL injury? Surely as a Phillies fan you’d know that, right?
Sorry my friend, the cross-training at first base should have begun long long ago ….. Sox management failed miserably in their handling of Devers for many, many years.
Upgrade first base? They have one of the younger promising first basemen in the game. How would they upgrade
Fever, I wouldn’t trade him unless it benefitted the team. He’s still right now their best hitter and at least theoretically, Bregman could leave. My wife and I had T times a rocky past yet I love her more today than ever. This too can pass. Devers’ comments were at Breslow and I think he was coached to specifically say that.
“Go back to your country” is such an insightful response. The guy was promised if he signed an extension that he would play third base. He signed the extension and the team is retreading on its word. That’s not a POS. You sound like the type of guy that fires an employee the day before the bonus vests. Hope Karma catches up to your butt one day soon.
“Maybe at some point Raffy discovers that there’s actually other people(to consider)”
Is Devers not a person who deserves consideration? The organization made him a promise, so he agreed to stay. Now they’re pulling back on it because management changed. OK, then DFA him if you want to break the promise.
The only actual promise the organization put in the contract is he gets paid a massive haul of money to lineup where hes told and give his best efforts.
He should seek release from that ckntract and forfeit the money if hes unhappy
If you make somebody a promise, and then back out of it with some weasely corporate excuse, I think you should expect the other party might be annoyed and the relationship likely will be damaged.
GaSox – Raffy’s got the leverage because of the guaranteed contract, and he’s using it by expressing his feelings and preference. Can’t blame him for that.
Let me ask you, if the Red Sox wanted Crochet gone and they decided to make him a catcher …. he’d obviously be quite unhappy with that decision, right? They’d hope he would agree to tear up his contract, right?
So is it REALLY a situation where any team can suddenly force any player to change their job? I don’t think so, because if it was then lots of teams would use it as a way to get out from under bad contracts.
I think theres degrees to things… theres a big difference between converting a SP to a C vs an experienced corner IF slid to the other corner.
Raffy doesnt have leverage, other than avoiding just being outright released, by virtue of that contract.
I just see the attitude as being a problem and, the fact hes implying theyd move him to the OF is beyond ridiculous. That one cost some major points in his ability to be taken sincerely or seriously.
The ones hes hurting isnt breslow, or cora, or henry. Hes hurting fans, and his teammates
Agreed. Coming from a Yankee fan,.. Yes Devers is being a bit of a stubborn baby… But guess whos fault that is? Cora/Breslow… lol
And guess who started all this in the media? Speier of the Boston Globe? Who owns the Boston Globe? Oh… the Red Sox do.. yeah…. they know exactly what they’re doing.
Wouldn’t be shocked to see the red sox be $200m lighter on payroll as they send him to LA for peanuts (just like they did Mookie)
There is a HUGE difference between holding the team accountable and hurting the team on purpose.
He can talk to the press, say he is unhappy, talk about trades, express he is unhappy, stop talking to anyone in management, etc. He has that right.
He is hurting his team, and his mates. Devers has never had value to the team defensively. He has only been a liability. This was his one chance in his career to have defensive value, even as a liability. He said no. He has now designated himself above the level of players like Betts, Trout, Harper, Braun, Yount, Molitor, Biggio, Machado, ARod, Cabrera, Ripken Jr., Banks, Rose, Yaz, Beltran, and on and on.
I see both, but in the end, I DO NOT CARE. He is a big boy and can voice whatever he wants, but he a contractually obligated big boy with responsibilities to his teammates, team, and fans. Play where you are told, when you are told, until you can play, or talk yourself off the team.
There is a clear need right now, and this need involves the best domino effect for the team in the moment. Far more talented players than Devers have experienced the same thing, and made the choice to hate every second while they attempt to help their team have a better chance to compete or open the door to potentially better players.
As the GM my one hope would have been for my star player, and perhaps a few others to walk into my office after the game Casas was hurt and listen to them tell me how they will play first if needed for the team.
I wonder if even one walked in on this team.
Regardless, the next day I would look at the roster and make the best possible choice for the team to compete and resolve the issue. The feelings of people would be a far second on my list.
Found him
So trade him to someone who needs a third baseman. Like the Yankees, lol.
The curse of Mookie!!
Geez, that’s awfully swell coach, I’m sure the Hoosiers will do well in regionals. But not sure your little Timmy taking one for the team example is exactly on point here. Did the Yankees ever ask el Capitaine to change multiple positions ? Think the Red Sox messed this up with their $30 mill a yr bell cow. Sure a player should consider making a switch if they’re Augie Ojeda if they’re number 25 on the depth chart and better yet in spring training and less publicly. Hope this doesn’t spiral
And they seem to be doing this publicly, setting up their $30 mill bell cow to be the fall guy before an ornery fan base. Why mess up a good thing? Grab another first baseman and let your big dog do what he does best, mash. Finding another 1b is not hard, eh? Tell him Wash.
Wait, now there’s speculation about trading a bell cow hitter over a hissy fit? This is not going to end well. Star crossed franchise since they parted w Mookie it would seem.
Proud of this? Nope. He’s a big out of shape baby. He gets paid millions. He owes it yo his teammates to try. They committed to him. They have numbers that show they’re right. He’s the worst of the worst at 3B. He is not a victim here.
The Yankees never asked the Capitaine to switch to 1st despite his looming deficiencies in the field and it turned out pretty well for them.
Whomever conjured up “go back to your country” as a first response to a position discussion should be denied entry to the park and forced to sit the season out. How bout “go back to your grandma’s utility room?”
Dodger JR sounding more like Orange JR, amirite?
You are proud of him? He is selfish and only cares about himself. He is getting paid a lot of money and should be willing to play any position he is needed. I don’t go to work a dictate what I’m going to do, I do whats needed of me. I’ve had to cross train on things I didn’t expect when I took the position, but I didn’t say oh no I’m not doing that. He is just another entitled athlete and you are a enabler.
Maybe, he is afraid to play First because he’s no good at it.
Gotta be honest. If I am Devers, I think I’d ask for a trade out of town.
And, as ludicrous as this may sound to all the “fanatics” in here, I’d ship Devers to the Mets for the Pete Alonso. Then the Red Sox can deal with Boras and try to sign Alonso to an extension. Vientos can play first base in NY.
Devers should have asked for a trade as soon as that comment about “the extension was Bloom’s idea” was leaked.
I am a Tigers fan and while he has been an excellent hitter his attitude would never be a fit on the current Tigers team. Boston is better with Bregman at 3b and him at dh. Your first baseman went down. Your team needs you to play first base. Devers is virtually untradable at present. Why do you want to be a dh under the age of 30?
If the plan was for Devers to be the backup plan at 1B, he should have been getting reps there in Spring Training.
@FPG – I am not trying to pick a fight; I have no issue with you having your own take on things. But we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
Bryce moved to first to accommodate the Hoskins injury, and he became a terrific 1B. It is better for the team to have him as a top fielding 1B than as an average to average plus RF that is probably more prone to injury out there. However he also volunteered to move back to the OF this winter to help the team if they were going to make a play for Alonso. In essence – team first.
I agree that the Sox could have managed Devers better, although I doubt that you, me or anyone else really knows what they tried to do behind the scenes. However. Devers is being paid a bazillion dollars by the team to play baseball. And he is a big baby. You play where you are needed, and you play for the fans, for the organization and for your teammates. If I were an elder statesman on the team, I would take Devers behind the toolshed and explain a little bit about life to the poor little snookums… ; )
Coach, would you ask a player to play a position in a game that he’s never played before? Not even in practice?
The contract does not state to line up where he’s told. So if told to catch he should don the gear? How about pitch?
Perhaps, but from the sound of it Devers wanted no part of putting in the work to learn a position he would rarely play.
I’d be curious to see how you’d act at work if your salary was fully guaranteed for the next 5 years even if you get fired.
I’m honest enough to admit I might not be as accommodating.
Ooo booo hooo so terrible u get paid millions to play stop with the feelings crap u always put team first grab your glove and give your best effort . The whole poooooor guy was treated soooooo poorly is a load of crap get over it put your big boy pants on and play. That’s what u get paid to do
U r in the minority because you sound so stupid the whole oooooo i feeeel so bad for him they told him to put his glove away. Grow up these aren’t 10 year olds grown ass men
Its unreal that fever is even defending this because he was “treated soooooooo badly” give me a break he’s making a ton of money get your damn glove and give it your best
Not the same thing. First base is lower on the defensive spectrum. Does anyone’s contract spell out their position. I guess he is content being an untradable 28 year old dh. It does not help his marketability to no play in the field. I wouldn’t want to guess how many Tigers would be willing to put on a first baseman glove.
Land – Show me one example where he refused to learn first base prior to the Casas injury.
Man U sound so condescending just rhe way u word things. You can relate??? O u got offered a multi million dollar contract and they told u put your glove away your horrid and then they asked u to play defense. Lmao get over yourself guy u know nothing about the guy
Your forgetting that it’s his damn job to go out there and play why have a guy on your team at all if he isn’t willing to put “ team” first raffy feelings second
Sheesh if fever ever became a manager his whole team would be full of cry baby divas because fever can “ relate”
Pretty much guys acting like these r precious 10 year old feelings they r protecting
Hey fever u ever think maybe if he was “good” with the glove this wouldn’t even be a thing stop defending this garbage it’s a business stuff changes it’s a long season every player should have an open mind . Your promoting selfish garbage guy
Like I said, he has made himself ino a full time dh at the age of 28 who is not tradeable unless you eat a portion of his contract. Each to his own, I definitely wouldn’t want him on my team
Trading him is absolutely silly at this point
Dude stop being so over dramatic they asked him to play a position not go be the water boy cry much
Man just shut up dude that crotchet example was dumb dude
Devers has certainly been disrespected by the organization. And I think his comments reflect that.. Why the club thought it was okay to bring stuff to the media first and player second reflects very poorly on Breslow’s management.
And….he should not be expected to learn to play a new position on the fly in the middle of a season. That’s certainly a recipe for disaster.
Poison – Agreed!
Unfortunately Breslow is still relatively new at his position, and “stats geeks” as he describes himself typically don’t have the best people skills.
That’s one of the biggest problems with corporate structures, all too often people with poor managerial skills get promoted to management strictly because of their knowledge and analytical background. Managerial skills are not valued as much as they should be.
Fever: you are normally one of the most rational of Red Sox fans. Devers feels that he can earn his “monster contract,” by batting four times a game and sitting on his ever widening a** for the next decade? And you are ok with that? You might want to rethink and reset on this one.
Seasons not quite 25% over. Seems that Boston felt his play at third was recipe for disaster.
Devers keeps being ”me first”. What else is new?
@Fever The difference is that Devers is getting paid to do a job
bass – That’s right, he got his current contract to do the job of third baseman for the Boston Red Sox.
And then he was told to not do anything more than hit.
He’s not gonna forfeit the money because they took his job away from him, but obviously it’s ridiculous he was downgraded to DH-only so soon after signing the contract.
NYG, Devers IS one-dimensional, the Sox didn’t do that to him. His defense is not ML-caliber at 3B and he can’t run. His contract was an overpay to keep a homegrown “star” on the team and appease the fanbase. Now his me-first attitude has alienated that fanbase and the org. He should smile and be grateful for the opportunity to play on the field again and help his team fill a need. But his pride won’t allow it, and he’s probably fearful he can’t handle 1B just like he can’t handle 3B. $300M for a DH with a bad attitude…
He is a terrible fielder. If you are a contending team, or want to be one, you can’t play a fielder as bad as him at third.
Landini – you were just telling us how all 26 players on the Tigers would happily grab their glove and walk out to first, and how dare Devers say “no”.
Now, he’s a terrible fielder. Why would we want him to play 1B then?
And also people, get over the money issue. All these guys get paid lots of money to play a game we’d play for free. We get it!
That doesnt mean that a guy, who has been your best player for six years now, hasn’t earned the right to be pissed off.
I would submit to you that Duran was a much better player than him last year. Historically, if a player struggles at 3b a move to first is a common occurrence. If you feel that he is such a poor fielder that a move there would be futile, I feel sorry for the Sox. They have some excellent minor league talent and now they have an untradable 28 year old dh that can’t run the bases. DH should be a flexible position used to rotate players in and out of the lineup.
Eh. Mixed thoughts on the situation. Yes he was right to make a stand. Don’t love how public it was but they hung him out there. How management has handled this should absolutely be interpreted as disrespectful to an established all star player. His defense sucks but he’s not a utility guy hoping to earn his roster spot. Would I love to have seen him stand by his word and “do whatever he can to help the team”? Yeah absolutely. I believe moving him to first strengthens the lineup. But he did have a choice. And he has chosen not to. So far.
Sean – Well said!!
The most important thing that came out of that interview yesterday, Raffy clearly dislikes Breslow. That’s something that could really fester.
And for those that think a player disliking the CBO is not a big deal, remember even Ohtani has a clause in his contract that he can leave the Dodgers if Friedman leaves.
Having a supportive boss matters.
He is not Ohtani.
He is not me first. He did what he needed to do in spring training. This is on Breslow. His teammates opinion is all that matters and they agree with him on this one. Breslow needs to get his job done and stop crying to Devers.
Treated him terribly? Are you kidding me? Because they found a much better defensive player to play 3B? It’s not like they took Devers out of the lineup. He’s still in the lineup every day. Having him switch positions is not treating him terribly. Also, your analogy is ridiculous.
The beat reporters said that the off-the-record comments by his teammates were “not positive”. Devers has lost his teammates on this.
Has he been? It’s a business. He’s getting well paid. They didn’t make up his poor stats. He doesn’t look in shape. The disrespect goes both ways. Next man up when someone gets hurt. One could argue it’s respect to think he could handle it, but we see how that went.
Wait – I’d be curious to read up on it, where’s the source?
If that’s true then it’s even more reason to think he’ll be traded.
Why is it ridiculous? A better option came along. Someone who can play defense and has historically monster numbers in the home park. Devers is statistically terrible defensively. He is not in shape. Respect goes both ways. Actually it also goes towards your teammates. He’s shown none.
His throws are worse than his glove.
Part of the issue is the “Guarentee” is likely limited. Refusal to play when requested may void it. However, I’m sure his agent will make sure he refuses in indrect ways to avoid such an issue….but he needs to be careful how he does it.
Lucky – the guy has carried the team for four straight years now
Duran carried them last year.
So, you heard none of the comments from his teammates, but are reaching a conclusion? “Not positve” doesn’t tell us much. It is like describing the weather outside as “not raining”. His teammates comments may have been neutral, but that would not be as good of a story.
Devers should play whatever position the team asks him to play on the field. With all the money he’s making he should just be happy with whatever decision the manager wants out of him. He’s acting like a kid atm. Hell give me Devers money and I’ll sit on the bench and be happy. Devers should a take a page out of Merrill’s handbook. Merrill never played the outfield or centerfield and he accepted the position switch and is willing to do what the team asks him to do on the field. Merrill looks like an elite centerfield out there. Who knows Devers could be an elite first baseman?
Don’t trust reporters. They interpret it through their eyes.
Landini – Devers started August with a .992 OPS and had a .962 OPS on August 19th before the injury caught up with him.
Duran was great, but not close to Raffy’s production.
@Fever, I commend you for your honest level headedness (wish all were like that on the internet). I don’t have the exact numbers in front of me, so I’m going to assume a bit here.
From a coach’s perspective, Devers has shown negative value at 3B. The Sox clearly needed a defensive solution here and wanted to take advantage of having a guy like Bregman on the open market. My guess is they probably ran the same scenarios last season in looking at Chapman.
I personally think they were forced to sign Devers to that long contract after the Mookie Betts debacle and probably didn’t want to make that kind of commitment. With that kind of money, they do all sorts of future forecasting and trust me the numbers didn’t look good for longevity at 3B. The fan base was rightfully pissed about Mookie but the front office plan all along was probably going to move Devers to 1B or DH in the long run. This happens all the time – I.e. Vladdy Jr.
All this being said, If I recall, this wasn’t a Breslow decision (before him).
Keep in mind the Sox drafted Casas in the first round of 2018. He’s going to play considering you drop money and draft capital into a young 1B.
All along, my guess, from an organization standpoint, is the Sox’s *best chance to win games* is to develop Casas at 1B, sign a defensive 3B, and move Devers to DH while providing backup duties at 1B and 3B (on rare occasions).
Now, it sounds like they F’ed up the communication on this (bad) but this is kinda Baseball 101. MANY players have gone through this exact path – even a great like Albert Pujols (3B, 1B, DH).
It’s not like he didn’t have time to straighten up his act at third! But when players talk through the press, well I’m sure this will get ugly!
Treated terribly? Three HUNDRED million. Yikes. He should mop out the showers if asked. He is an employee.
Seems a spoiled attitude. A prima donna. His folks should sit him down. Maybe take him on a bus ride to SEE the world.
What most of us do to get by. Criminy sakes cuz.
And I think I hit “post” too early but the role Devers is in “now” is the part of the “backup duties at 1B”. I mentioned Pujols because he had to assume 1B duties (after DHing) when Shohei came on board.
I don’t know the practicing that’s gone on, but Devers “should” have been given 1B reps in spring training games and whatnot. That’s on the org if he hasn’t been getting 1B reps.
Yeah tell your boss that and see where that gets you!
You going to play cry baby or help the team? Put your big boy pants on and get your ass in gear already!
The Yankees took a much better shortstop and placed him at third to accommodate a shortstop on the roster with great hands and middling range.
… and no no-trade clause until ’27. He has less leverage than he thinks, especially when other teammates get healthy.
I hate this whole situation but come on FO, go out and get a 1st baseman if you think you can make something of this season. What are we even doing here? We have the money and we have the necessary trade pieces to get just about anyone. No reason to burn it all down or make a moral stand on why someone should do as they are told because they’ve been paid for past successes.
His overall attitude may not be defensible, but he does have every reason to be mad for being repeatedly lied to.
Devers defense was never the sole problem on this team, yet they are treating it like it was the ONLY problem. Now, they do another 180 and say, well your defense is good enough for first base.
Devers has admitted to being stubborn, but hrs also admitted to the idea that changing positions for him is mentally difficult. Why are we square peg/round holing this?
Allin – Totally agree! Devers is hitting well now, and his remaining contract of nearly $300,000,000 would be best served by leaving him at DH.
If ‘fans’ want someone WHO HAS NEVER PLAYED 1B to play it, better choices are Duran (to open LF for Roman Anthony) or Story (to open SS for Marcelo Mayer). They are both more athletic and agile than Devers for a better outcome at 1B.
Couldn’t agree more. He trusted them, they used him. Simple
Not everyone is a hardened, cutthroat business person. This has been his family since he was 16.
Geez, kill a guy for having emotions
He’s a troll.
Not confusing.
Is it a lie if the situation changes?
Chance – Henry, Kennedy, Breslow all flew out to KC to speak with Raffy.
Breslow gave a VERY uncomfortable 6 minute interview. He completely deflected the blame onto Devers, very disappointing.
Jim Rice strongly supporting Raffy on pregame.
Ridiculous ownership has to clean up Cora’s mess.
Fever- I don’t know you or anything about you, but I can certainly infer that I’d never want you as a teammate on the baseball diamond, or any probably any team environment at all for that matter. All the best
He’s no leader. They’re asking him to be and he failed again. Belly boy isn’t in shape, didn’t improve defensively and won’t budge when a player gets injured. They would have been stupid to pass on Bregman. A big rich baby.
It’s die to injury of another not to get rid of him. Sorry but the Sox are deficient if they don’t do what they did. Replaced their biggest weakness defensively with a great player, and explore all options after a player goes down for the season. If Bregman gets hurt will he not grab his glove?
Would you like to be told to switch jobs at the whim of your bos?.One day you start learning one thing,after you start getting it down ,they move you to a different job that you would have to learn.Yes he is a ball player but just because he could probably learn it doesn’t mean he would be good at it and then people would get on him for being a bad 1st baseman.1st base is not easy but i think 3rd is easier.Mainly reacting.1st base you have to field throws,Take cutoffs.If you haven’t done it ,it could be tough to learn it in season.I don’t see why,Yoshida is out at Minor complex.Why not make him a 1st baseman.He has time to learn.
If Bregman were to get injured, I would hope to see Mayer at the hot corner.
Yes, I have changed roles at the request of my boss. And yes, it takes some learning to get comfortable in the new role. Are you telling me that you have no experience like that?!?
TB – Agree with you on job changes, but for you to think 3B is easier than first base … sorry it really seems like you haven’t played baseball anywhere at any age not even grade school. 1B is by far the easiest position. Catching throws is a breeze, 95% are right at you.
Instead of guessing what it’s like, listen to the professionals like Lou Merloni. Why make assumptions when there are experts who have lived it, who have played both positions in MLB.
Wait – Agreed, Mayer or Story.
Dude get off of fevers nuts guy lmao so nauseating
Fevers an idiot he talks to people in condescending ways and acts like he knows everything he even said he can “relate” to devers he’s a narcissistic clown
Be honest here… it’s not like you moved him from C to OF to 1B…
He didn’t learn anything as a dh – he’s been a dh before in his career, and all they do is hit which he’s done all his career. There was no learning cure to move a different direction, take new reads on a ball, get used to throws coming from another direction. Nothing.
He a whiny poor teammate end of story
Not many people in the world have jobs which care about their employee feelings over the needs of the business. I fired a kid the other day when he told me he didn’t like doing what he is paid for.
He is also performing too well to bench. I wonder if he refused to play an assigned position if they can withhold pay? Doubt it. Or he would claim injury.
We r still waiting to hear how u can relate to raffy ?
“Don’t Trust Reporters”…..They interpret it through the number of clicks a report may generate.
ray – I respect your right to express your opinion, no matter how unjustified it is.
Plenty of people appreciate how I defend those who have been wronged, that’s all that matters to me.
I don’t expect to be liked by everyone, nobody is ever liked by everyone.
Heck, even the greatest guys like Mookie and Xander have their haters. As they say, you can lead a thirsty dog to water but you can’t make them drink.
All the best to you as well.
GaSox – Sorry I’m late in replying, there’s like a million comments the past few days!
Devers has never been a DH before, he just occupied the DH slot in the lineup for a very limited amount of times.
He started a game as DH only a combined 20 times over his 7-year career (before this year). That means he’s been named the DH for a game less than 3 games a year on average.
I’m assuming and hoping you don’t consider a player to be a shortstop because he played one or two games there. If so, then Raffy’s 3 innings at shortstop would make him a shortstop too ;O)
Not really. Spring Training is the time and place for a position switch not during the season. Here’s an idea. Move Bregman to 1B and have Devers play 3B again.
Great hitter. Nothing else. Not a great fielder, runner ect.
So not a great player.
Got paid for his bat despite his ineptitude at all other things baseball.
I’d disagree about Dever’s attitude, and I wholly disagree that first base is an easy position to adjust to. If you dont like his glove at third, you aren’t going to like his glove at first either.
First base is a difficult position to play defensively, you are involved in every play on the infield. The idea that teams can hide bad defensive players at first, I have never understood that.
Devers is a happy guy, you broke your promise when you took third away, if he doesnt want to move to first, thats his choice, he has never been a first baseman. It doesnt take anything away from the team. Breslow should do his job and manage the player personnel.
Breslow is close to screwing up the entire Red Sox rebuild.
1B is not a difficult position to play for someone with an MLB caliber glove at 3B, below average or not. Devers would not be great, but he would be serviceable, tomorrow. You can absolutely hide bad defensive players there. That being said, a gold glove 1B can make a big difference too, but you don’t need Keith Hernandez at 1B when you have Bregman and Story on the left side of the infield. Any MLB quality infielder can definitely play 1B in a crunch, and learn the intricacies over time.
I disagree, a good first baseman makes the entire infield better, takes the pressure off your infielders when they have confidence in who they are throwing the ball too.
There are many difficult plays at first base that require an acumen that doesnt come without experience at the position. Devers would be awful at first. He is serviceable at third.
You cant move a short right handed SS or 2B to first either, I dont care how good his glove.
At first you need a big target, preferably a left handed one who can pick it and field grounders.
Agree to disagree. It’s checkers not chess in this case imo. The guy can field well enough to be a starter at the MLB level at 3B for 7-8 years. He can handle throws and pick the ball well enough not to cost them the game. I do agree with what you are saying. A good first baseman can certainly make the entire infield better and can improve confidence. I just disagree that Devers would basically be a toddler with a glove out there.
I’m confused. A 1B needs to handle throws and pick the ball… A 3B needs to be able to make those throws, and Devers isn’t very good at that. I think he would be fine at 1B once he learned the position, but we know for a fact that he is pretty bad at 3B.
I get what Devers is feeling. I am also not certain that Devers can play a competent first-base. Devers’ agent should have had Devers phrase it more like maybe a different option would be best for the teams’ success.
You think he would be any worse at 1B than he was at 3B?? You don’t think it’s possibly he could at least be as good or close to what Casas was?
Yes, and we are hearing the translation, not the actual comments, to put it in a proper context.,
Duran played 2B until signing with the Red Sox, so he has years of experience on the right side of the infield. IMO, he would be a better choice for 1B than Devers (who has 0 games of experience there also). It open KF for Anthony also.
That’s an interesting idea, I had forgotten about Duran’s experience as an infielder.
Is this a change of scene, contact swap Devers for Bogaerts?
Contracts match. Boston gets an icon back, Padres get potential?
Nobody is taking Xanders contract. He’s a shell of himself. At least Taffy is producing
So comical as a majority on here want to punt Devers to the moon, send him to Miami or Colorado.
The contracts match up. Pads throw in a prospect or two and this actually works.
But, understandably, Boston fans are frustrated but really when, push comes to shove don’t want to trade Devers.
In all honesty, I like Bogaerts. I can see a rebound at some point.
Bevers is 28 and at the beginning of his prime years. Bogaerts is 32, and coming to the end of his prime years.
Red Sox fans should want to keep Devers, just mock his attitude
Yes just what the Sox need…more infielders
DBH – Story is on shaky ground, Mayer has the injury history and can play 3B and 2B (and probably 1B), so Trea would be a nice fit at SS.
MLB – Keeping a disgruntled franchise player is never a good thing, no different than any employer keeping a disgruntled worker.
tow – Agreed, some of the Devers-hate here is indeed comical. And this is a guy who NEVER had any type of behavioral issue, never did anything wrong behavior-wise like endangering teammates by smashing a telephone in the dugout or intentionally taking a strikeout looking in a big situation against the Yankees. The double-standard here is mindboggling.
But we know in general there’s a segment of Sox fans who don’t believe in loyalty to players, that’s nothing new.
“Padres get potential”… Raffy is in the top 5 of rbi produced in the last 6+ years. That’s considerably more than “potential”. And Bogey is now little more than an average player.
Good luck offloading Bogey and his onerous contract, but nobody is taking that contract without at LEAST 150M+ also included in the deal.
tow – I think a more likely trade would be Devers for Trea.
Comparable contracts.
Both teams want to move their star player.
Dombrowski has a solid relationship with Devers.
Sox could use a middle infielder.
Schwarber will probably walk after a monster season.
Bohm is on the trade block.
You heard it here first!!
No evidence Bohm is on trade block. Bohm will stay on Phillies this year and be released not traded during offseason. Aidan Miller is almost ready on Bohm will be arb eligible
The Phillies would be willing to trade Bohm, the problem is that they’ll get nothing back for him. After getting just one hit in the playoffs, he stated that he’s not willing to change his approach at the plate, and has proved it with only four walks this year. Can’t be a good change of scenery candidate if you aren’t willing to listen to coaches.
That makes sense.
phillies – Just curious, what do you think of a Trea for Raffy deal?
Obviously I’m not as dialed into the Phillies scene, but what I’ve heard is the Phillies are disappointed in Trea’s performance and would like to get out from under his contract.
Trea will be fine. Devers’ attitude would not go
over well in Philly.
Cap – Devers never, ever generated any concern about his attitude prior to the past 3 months.
If you kick a sleeping Golden Retriever and he responds with a reactionary growl, does that make him vicious? Come on now ….
I understand but who the heck is going to want this child on their team?
mab – I assure you plenty of teams would want him. He was a Top 4 MLB hitter last year until the injury crashed the end of his season.
“I understand.who the heck…Want this child on their team”…I agree that Raffy is acting like a “me first” spoiled child in this matter.
The whole idea of being on a “team” is that often you subjigate your own personal needs to benefit the whole of the group.
All that being said, Raffy is a proven run producer who in the top 5 of rbi driven in in the last 6+ years.
Never underestimate the number of things sports teams will overlook, under play and sweep under the rug for proven high level producers.
We see it literally every single day. Raffy’s stock may be a little down, but he’s still a very valuable and hard to find commodity, a run producer.
There’s at least 3 or 4+ teams that would be very, very interested in acquiring a disgruntled Raffy Devers, proven and tested run producer.
Every day my rage that the Sox chose him over Betts grows.
Maybe some meditation?
Xanax?
Xanax Bogaerts plays for the Padres, not sure he’d help.
Devers over Bogaerts seemed ok at time, but Betts has always been a top ten position player in the league and Devers has never been and never will be at even Betts’ current level.
Bogaerts I understood not committing the big money to. I liked the guy (and still do!) but I think it would have been a mistake by the Red Sox to outbid what the Padres paid him. Betts, though? Letting him go was absolutely terrible.
I agree, but I have the feeling that Betts let the team know he was going to test free-agency and wasn’t going to sign an extension. Or that he wanted to play elsewhere and wasn’t going to re-sign.
You can’t rewrite history. Betts repeatedly said he was going year to year and he read the market right and signed without going to free agency because of the pandemic. Bogey’s ridiculous deal set the stage for Raffy. It was a perfect storm that forced ownership to overpay. Even Bregman now is not getting his money from another club as most will see his Fenway numbers inflated elsewhere. He’s likely going to re-negotiate and remain Boston with ownership adding a couple of years.
Meow – I’m genuinely surprised, didn’t think you ever got angry.
But yeah I agree, it’s ironic how all of the Big Three (Mookie, Xander, Devers) will be forced out within a 5-year period.
I hiss and scratch as much as any cat 😾
Meow – Haha …. I always appreciate your humor :O)
Wait a minute, you’re not a Siamese are you? I’ve owned a Siamese cat, they can be VERY difficult to handle.
Fever – American shorthair :3
Betts wanted out. Get over it. That ship sailed.
Gotta’ give Red Sox fans credit for passion, anyway – this thread goes on and on and on. And by passion, that implies a rather hefty amount of passionate posturing and verbose nonsense as well – along with the level-headed that work to rein things in.
Of course, when a $300M baseball player refuses to attempt to play a position that would theoretically help the team, it is a rather big story.
Carver – Great post! Yes the bigger the fanbase, the more casuals spouting off … along with the haters of course. I’m surprised they haven’t updated this article yet, comments would go over a thousand.
It’s possible the brass meeting will be refresh worthy… waits to be seen
The Dodgers would actually be perfect for him, and they seem to have endless money to afford him too,
Nope! Munetaka Murakami mark my words lol.
Sigatosi Kazagami is the next big Japanese player the Dodgers will sign
Oh yes, we should definitely bench Shohei Ohtani for Devers…
/s
Didn’t he say he was too young to be a DH, and now when the door opens to return to the field, he doesn’t want to be a position player?
Not a good attitude. I don’t think he’s a prima donna, but he seems to somehow feel disrespected and that’s clouding his judgement on how best to help his team and to help himself.
My guess is Cora will work on him, eventually guiding him to the best decision.
Lord
Everything you said is true, but Devers probably will suck at 1B defensively
Probably, but perhaps not. Vlad Jr. wasn’t a good defender at third but made himself a solid defender at first. Mark Teixiera was pushed off third and became a gold glover at first.
It seems much of Dever’s fielding issues were on the type of long throws across the diamond after diving for balls that he wouldn’t deal with at first. He might be fine after learning positioning, scooping, etc., and that could be part of his hesitation —learning it in the fly in season. Maybe with an offseason and Spring Training he’d adapt to it, yet didn’t he refuse the idea of playing first even before Bregman signed?
There’s a belief anyone can be put at 1B, but few can play it well. What were Ron Washington’s words in Money Ball…?
MLB – There’s been numerous discussions that have proven he’d probably be quite good at first base, including a recent podcast by Alex Speier and Lou Merloni in which they are convinced Raffy would be the best defensive first baseman the Red Sox have had in 5 years.
I’ve even provided a video, but the skeptics have ignored it ….. not surprising unfortunately.
Are you even aware of how bad Casas has been defensively??
Fever, I haven’t seen as much of Casas at first as Red Sox fans have, but my view was he was not good there and didn’t seem like his defensive skills were strong enough that he’d grow into it. Devers seems more athletic and likely could adapt well there with some reps. I suspect he will play there at some point this year and could be your regular 1B’man in 2026.
Lord – Your view was correct, Casas was statistically among the worst defenders in MLB and watching him backed that up. He was good at picking the ball and snagging bad throws, but that’s because he has such a large wingspan and great height.
The experts such as Speier and Merloni have made a compelling case that Devers could be the best defensive first baseman the Sox have had in 5 years. He’s already fielded one-handed, he’s light on his feet, he’s a plus defender on charging the ball and going to his right ….. going back literally 10 years the scouts said he should be a first baseman. But he wanted to play 3B and he fought for it and the Sox allowed him, unfortunately.
The Red Sox have a real mess on their hands with Devers!!!
His ship is sinking fast!
He’s undesirable and untradable!!!
Colorado would be a great fit for him where he can hit 50 homers and get paid to lose 90 games!
He obviously doesn’t care about winning if he isn’t willing to move to first
They asked him to improve his 3rd base play – nothing.
They asked him to lose weight – opposite – gained weight
They gave him $300M+
They had to bring in a player at $40M/yr to play his position.
They asked him to be a team player and play 1B – Nope.
Starts year possibly deliberately striking out 15 times in his first 19 at-bats across the first five games
Yeah role (roll) model!
shortstop –
1) He has worked very hard on his defense over the years, but the Sox never EVER warned him he could lose his 3B job.
2) Agree on the weight gain
3) Money doesn’t make a player better, you can’t buy skills
4) Bregman is getting paid $31M and they brought him in more for his bat, as they wanted a RHB who would rake in Fenway
5) They never asked him to even take reps at first base until now, totally inexcusable.
6) Deliberately striking out 15 times? You’ve crossed the deep end, remove the tin foil.
7) No athlete should be expected to be a role model.
Why is it inexcusable to start talking reps at first now why can’t he come in early or stay late that’s utter rubbish
Soxshortstop-
Starts year possibly deliberately striking out 15 times in his first 19 at-bats across the first five games
You’re batshit crazy if you think he deliberately struck nout 15 times to start the season. He didn’t have a spring training due to his shoulders so his timing was off.
Lastly, they never asked him to play 1st base until now. You heard the man say they told him to put away his glove. Sp that meant no reps at first base or 3rd base during spring training.
Once again why can’t he start now taking reps why is it such a big deal to start taking reps now other than he doesn’t want to
The problem is they moved on to “they gave him $300M + after 1 and 2. They’ve drafted Devers and this is the only organization he’s ever played for. The ownership knew who and what he is and yet they still signed of on paying him.
If anyone is at fault here it’s the ownership and front office not Devers.
They were always aware and complicit in what they are now defining as bad.
I guess the Red Sox get a pass in creating this animal? Stop promising this guy positions when you can’t possibly predict your needs. Where im from your word means a whole heck of a lot and you don’t get to break it and expect people to continually take it in stride. I think Devers should play where he’s needed and best for the team but I also wouldn’t promise the guy a permanent position and expect to be able to pretend you never made promises you now want to retract
The red Sox also seem to have a roster boondoggle of their own creation here. They wildly overspent most projections for Yoshida and as a result his solid but unexceptional offensive ceiling with pronounced defensive limitations is untradeable without eating a lot of money. Add on the story contract, bregman, the very early extension for cedane and the abrupt about face on expectations and assurances devers heard when he signed that deal and you’ve got a really awkward roster puzzle on your hands. The Sox have seemed kind of reactive and shortsighted in their spending in recent years and it’s showing up now.
Pete, youre combining multiple GMs/PBOs with those moves though. Sometimes youve got to roll with the mess your predecessor left you
All of that can be blamed on the apparent wiz kid from the Rays – Chaim Bloom. Everyone seems to think that if you come from the Rays then you’ll automatically be a good GM/PBO. Can’t believe after seeing how he did in Boston that the Cards are so eager to hand him the reigns after Mozeliak next year
Pete – Great post!
Without question the Red Sox over the past 6 years have sucked at communication, have failed to utilize critical thinking in their decisionmaking process, and have failed to come up with any longterm plan.
This is why their front office is so highly dysfunctional.
kev – Well Bloom did well with the farm system, but I wouldn’t let him near the major league decisionmaking.
Thou shall not play lst base!!!
Devers should talk to Carl Yastrzemski, first ballot hall of famer and all-time Red Sox great, who moved from left field to first base for the benefit of the team.
He’s exactly the kind of player and person that no team wants.
Who wants him with $250 million left on his contract?
Miami. $300 million contract. Nah.
Lmao
Si, claro = yes, of course
Now that’s a team player!
My favorite part of this fiasco is just how awful he is at defense. He’s delusional until they’re ready to throw him a bone and now he’s gonna throw a mega tantrum. What a big baby.
He already said spite.
But in his defense, he might suck at the 1B
He even kind of looks like a big baby. I guess he has the attitude to match it.
In his life there’s something lacking
What he needs is a damn good whacking…
The Beatles
I thought that song was about police.
Yep. Complete prima donna. Feel bad for his teammates. Said it before, but lots of you say trade him. What team in their right mind would bring this guy onto their team when he doesn’t even know how to say “team”
I can see his point.
He’s not that great defensively, has been told so, and now they want him to throw on a glove and play a position that he’s never played before on the fly.
But he was bad at 3rd. Maybe he’ll be passable at first. He won’t know if he doesn’t try. Also, it’s a team sport. The team is asking for his help since their top option is done for the season. Him choosing not to play 1st is telling the team he doesn’t care. It’s a super selfish move.
Experiments like that are for the offseason or Spring Training, not mid-season.
Also, not everyone with significant experience at a different position can learn to play a passable 1B. It would be an absolute disaster if Devers tried it for the first time in regular season games and it turned out he is one of the ones who can’t play it passably.
However, if Breslow was seriously just asking him if he would accept moving to 1B, Devers’s reaction is very overblown. You can’t blame the Red Sox for just asking in order to check all their options, where a polite refusal would’ve be perfectly acceptable for both sides.
No matter what, you don’t pull the press aside to declare how horrible it was that they asked.
Wait – Raffy had refused to speak to the media since the Casas injury for a reason, he didn’t want to deal with this subject. So he did try to not discuss it publicly.
But the criticism he received for refusing interviews became too much, and every player DOES have a responsibility to speak with the media a certain number of times.
It’s not like he called a press conference, they surrounded him in the clubhouse.
They surrounded him because he told them he had something to say. That’s their job. He initiated it.
Wait – I hadn’t heard Devers called a press conference, is there a link?
They’ve been asking him for comments for a few days, and he had been declining. He decided that he wanted to share and of course the vultures flocked.
Do you believe it was inappropriate for Breslow to privately ask Devers about playing 1B? That was what offended him.
One or the other has to go, and an out of shape DH is generally more expendable than a GM.
Have you lost your mind??????
Absolutely one of the best hitters in the game, or a pencil pusher, and you choose Spreadsheet Boy?
Wait – Wait a minute …. I saw the entire interview, that’s not true. The reporters were asking HIM questions, at no point did he lead the conversation. And the reporters first asked him about other things unrelated to a position change, such as his first stolen base of the season.
No, it was not inappropriate of Breslow to ask him … but most definitely Cora should have asked, not Breslow. Once again the proper chain of command is a joke because Cora has more power than Breslow.
Yes of course a CBO is more valuable than any player (the Red Sox don’t have a GM, haven’t had one for a while).
Sad – Have to disagree with you on this one. A CBO is harder to replace than a good player, and Breslow hasn’t proven to be a bad CBO yet.
With more experience and less Cora, I think Breslow could be a good CBO.
A Spanish speaking friend of mine believes that the interpreter may have misinterpreted some of what was said. First of all the tone was not nearly as disgruntled as the media made it. But more importantly what he actually said was “I don’t believe I am the type of player that can be moved around the field. That they could just one day tell me that I need to grab my glove and play the outfield. I don’t believe I could do it. But if they tell me, I will try”.
I mean… that’s a pretty significant difference.
That is very significant
With a lot of work put in, most players can make themselves learn a new position. It happens all the time. Problem is Devers won’t ever improve on D because he doesn’t care that he is hurting his team. Big pouty child. And I’m not talking about the dude who eats at the White House.
@pt57 The team also pulled the repugnant, “that guy, Bloom, who was General Manager and spoke for the Red Sox in any number of ways on and off the record? Yeah, well, since it’s convenient for us to say so now that he’s gone, he didn’t really speak for the front office, this office, or the team’s owners. Third base isn’t really your position despite what That Guy said. So you’re going to be the Sox DH, guaranteed***.”
***Until such time as we need to jerk you around in some other way.
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“Still, his response has been bizarre and hasn’t always reflected well on him.”
What’s ‘bizarre’ about a player’s anger at his team for deceiving him in the recent past, which in consequence leaves him understandably reluctant to cooperate when it continues to go back on its word?
Time for a change of scenery… Colorado could use him to keep the fans happy & he can pad his near-HOF stats
If you are willing to take back Kris Bryant, sure.
At least Bryant has a good attitude.
Good luck with that contract
Never HOF stats, and not really all that close.
Wait – He just turned 28 and he’s already got 206 HR, 663 RBI, career .855 OPS and he’s logged 8,274 innings at one of the more important positions in MLB.
He is most definitely on track for the HOF.
Whether he gets there, we won’t know for another decade.
He doesn’t have the attitude or work ethic to keep it going into his mid/late 30s. As his physical talents decline, so will his production. Besides, making a name for youself as an outstandingly awful defender at 3B is not generally a plus.
Wait – Cora and others have constantly talked about how hard a worker Devers is and how dedicated he is. He did play in pain last year, remember. He did report to ST weeks early, remember.
Many of the game’s best hitters weren’t exactly in great shape. We can’t predict if Devers will be the next Ortiz or the next Prince Fielder.
From 2019-2024 Raffy logged the 2nd-most innings at 3B in MLB, only 107 less than Chapman. Regardless of how poor his defense was, playing that much will definitely boost his standing with HOF voters.
Since when do you believe Cora?
His offensive game is finally showing some maturity this year, after stagnating for so long. It is a shame his ego prevents him from embracing a move to an easier defensive position, because he could have been superb as a 1B or DH.
After those comments, he almost has to be traded. If he makes the HOF it will be in another uni.
Rafael Devers has posted 23.6 bWAR in nine MLB seasons to rank 801st among position players all time:
.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_bat_career.shtm…
As points of reference:
Fernando Tatis Jr., who is two years younger than Devers, has posted 23.8 bWAR in six MLB seasons.
Max Muncy, who is six years older, has posted 23.6 bWAR in 10 MLB seasons.
Eugenio Suarez, who is five years older, has posted 23.6 bWAR in 12 MLB seasons.
Brandon Nimmo, who is four years older, has posted 23.4 bWAR in 10 MLB seasons.
Devers, who has never finished in the Top 10 in American League MVP voting, faces an uphill climb to the Hall of Fame.
Wait – Haha …. I knew you’d say that about Cora ;O)
Pathological liars like Cora don’t create stories out of the blue, they do tell the truth sometime. And plenty of others have corroborated what Cora said, it’s not like Cora said Devers was a great fielder or something. LOL
I agree with the rest of what you wrote, he would be good at first base and it’s probably best he gets traded as I don’t think Breslow or Cora are going anywhere.
I have a theory about his improved walk % this year. Is he being selfish and spiting management by taking a lot more walks ala JD Drew instead of driving hittable pitches outside the zone?
Obviously walks are controllable by the pitcher, which means once Devers starts facing better pitchers on better teams he will see a much higher percentage of strikes, thus lowering his walks, thus lowering his OPS.
Not sure that being a consistently bad fielder will sway Hof voters. By the time he cecomes eligible there will be numerous players with better overall stats than him
musk – I always appreciate anyone who brings facts to support their stance, but how do many of those examples help your argument?
Going by what you wrote, Devers has more or the same WAR than Nimmo, Suarez and Muncy despite being 4-6 years younger than them ….. you realize that means he has a far BETTER chance of the HOF than them, right?
I agree Tatis has had a better career than Devers though.
I’m not saying Raffy is on pace for first ballot, but he’s certainly on pace to exceed the numbers of many current HOF’ers.
Oh wait, breaking news, a baseball star with an ego……..
Devers’ “feelings” aside, the Bregman move was never the right one for a team that finished in last place or at .500 the last few years. The right move was to sign Pete Alonso, Devers never moves, he starts a DH and now slides right into 1B
That wouldn’t solve the defensive problem at 3B.
Their biggest problem was too many DH, too few fielders. Devers, Casas, Yoshida… Signing another 1B/DH wouldn’t resolve that.
Land – Offense will always outweigh defense when it comes to HOF consideration, because rating a player’s defensive skills is still much harder than rating a player’s hitting. Defensive metrics are highly questionable, that will never change.
The thing about Raffy’s poor fielding that always makes me laugh, people don’t realize how few everyday third baseman there are.
According to FG, last year there were only 14 Qualified 3B.
15 in 2023
16 in 2022
10 in 2021
If you’re one of only ten qualified 3B, you must be doing something right.
And then if you take it a step further and look at qualified 3B with at least one DRS, the list is microscopic:
8 in 2024
9 in 2023
8 in 2022
6 in 2021
This is why baseball analysts and players all say, if you’re a zero DRS third baseman or shortstop then you’re actually a really good one.
Last I looked Devers ranked somewhere between 55-60 just among active players in war. He has a long, long, way to go. And a lot of players ahead of him are still accruing big numbers. He is putting up good, but not great offensive numbers.
Fever, he played a lot of innings, but terribly. HOF players, im sure theres been a few but i cant think of one off the top of my head who was so abysmally poor at their field position that they still got in.
From 2021 thru 2024 he is last in DRS with a -38 DRS when looking at 3rd basemen per fielding Bible. Averaging a -9.5 per year is light years away from being fielding neutral
If Rafael Devers doubles his current bWAR of 23.6 … and that’s a big “if” … he’ll nearly reach the bWAR level of Hall of Famer Jim Rice.
Still, Devers would trail the likes of Ellis Burks, Bernie Williams, Andrew McCutchen and Jimmy Rollins (and barely ahead of Curtis Granderson, Devon White, Ryan Braun, Miguel Tejada and Josh Donaldson).
Muskie – how baseball advanced statistics dont ever tell the whole story. Devers has absolutley carried this team for the last four years
Wait – They could have survived a year without Bregman before Campbell and Mayer established themselves.
If Bregman wasn’t here, Mayer could be playing 3B or Campbell at 3B with Grissom at 2B.
It’s just another downside to the Bregman signing.
Landini – You’re right, him getting blindsided in ST definitely set him back to start the season. It was a painful adjustment period, one that he’s obviously not fully over yet.
The last time he was physically and mentally healthy, which was last year, he was a Top 4 hitter in MLB.
GaSox – There have been many poor defensive players who got in …. check out Lou Brock’s fielding for one.
Landini – Defensive stats are highly questionable, which is why all the most popular sites have different results.
FanGraphs has Bohm at -40 DRS for that same time period, worse than Devers.
musk – You’d have to triple it, not double it …. he’s had only 5 full seasons so far. He SHOULD be good for 10 more.
But really you can’t use WAR for him anymore now that he’s a fulltime DH.
Not playing a position automatically drops a player’s WAR way way down.
Sad – So true, especially 2021. Remember his heroics in Washington DC on the last weekend of the regular season?
Without him that weekend they don’t make the playoffs.
And a lot of currently active players that are still performing at a high level
Regardless, he was a terrible 3rd baseman
If Rafael “Devers has absolutley carried this team for the last four years,” then Devers is a solid candidate for the Red Sox Hall of Fame.
Devers has never finished in the Top 10 in voting for American League Most Valuable Player (although he finished in the Second 10 five times).
Many of the same people who vote for AL MVP have votes for the Hall of Fame. Devers has yet to command their respect and the current situation is unlikely to enhance his standing.
Devers also doesn’t have the “big” hits. The only reason Ortiz gets in is because of clutch hitting. Devers doesn’t hit for clutch a lot of times
For “the last four years,” counting the current season, Rafael Devers has carried the Red Sox to a record of 257-268 (.490). Perhaps Devers has been the best hitter on a losing team over that span.
Part of the problem over that span has been inconsistent defense. And Devers’ play at 3B has been part of that. Everybody knew he needed to move.
He’s 28!
If you look at historical data, there are plenty of poor defensive 3B who move in their late 20s. That’s when the first blush of athleticism comes off the rose, especially for the big body types.
Devers lasted longer than many…
Mostly they move to 1B, of course.
Agreed. His current 7 year peak by bWAR is almost exactly half that of the average 3Bman in the HOF Devers will have to play for another decade with no noticeable decline to have a shot on counting stats.
He goes to Colorado and he gets into the hall as a negative war 3b hitting 60 HRs a year!
That would cripple the hall
Dude getting paid Millions to play a game and he doesn’t even want to play. Stop the crying and help ur team win games.
Not exactly fair. He loves to hit and clearly he enjoyed being a third baseman. Certainly he’s no team player and it seems he’s being spiteful over having his precious 3B taken away from him, but there’s no reason to think that he “doesn’t even want to play”.
He’s an employee and he’s being paid $300 million. If they ask you to play centerfield, you do it. Grumble all you want, but you still have to do it.
Apparently not. Ahahahahahaha!
rct – Not true when it comes to job changes.
Let’s say a 10-year veteran third baseman on the last year of his contract is forced to play centerfield. He is awful defensively, and the transition causes his hitting to take a dive. His ability to get a reasonable new contract is severely impacted. You think for one minute the union wouldn’t be all over that with lawsuits?
The only reason that sort of tactic to get rid of an employee isn’t used more often in the corporate world is because most jobs are “At-Will” instead of guaranteed contracts.
And in states such as California, if you are told to change jobs you have the right to refuse and leave the company while receiving a hefty severance payout.
Joe – They told him he would never, ever play in the field again.
Not even as a fill-in for Bregman on days off or if he’s injured.
It’s like they thought really hard about the best way to insult him, and then went with it. Unconscionable.
Fever – source for exactly what devers was told by whom and how?
GaSox – It’s all over the net, Cora announced it March 29th. If Bregman needs time off or gets injured, Devers won’t fill in. We saw that when Bregman missed a day on paternity.
No different than when Story wasn’t allowed to play shortstop in 2022. That’s how Cora rolls, dumb as it is.
boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2025/03/29/rafael…
“Rafael Devers will not play 3B for Red Sox on Alex Bregman’s off days, Alex Cora says”
Fever, thats not exactly saying devers, you will never, ever, play the field again, no matter what. At least not to me.
It just says bregman is our 3b, and, we wont have you fill in on his off days.
GaSox – I get what you’re saying, that Cora is not communicating properly.
I can’t make that assumption though. What people say is what they mean, it’s unfair to Cora to assume he meant something differently than what he said.
These are the facts:
Cora said Devers is the DH only, and will focus 100% on DH by not playing or preparing to play any position.
Devers said he was told to hang up/put away his glove.
Both make it very clear, DH only.
NOT ONCE has Cora added “this year or “for now” or “for the time being” or “unless there’s an injury” etc. There has been no qualifiers.
NOT ONCE has Cora said he could go back to the field next year or ever.
Therefore his statements absolutely indicate “forever”.
When there is no mention of a period of time, it means infinity …. forever.
There has been no “if-then” mentioned either.
I dunno fever, when most directives are given to people, in business or otherwise, it doesnt usually mean forever just because you dont add a for now qualifier.
Some asks me, hey, i need you to take out this trash, that doesnt mean for eternity i watch that basket and anytime its full im always the guy to grab and toss trash.
With any request, its implied either as this time or until i tell you different, not this level of finality
There are many 28 year old players that would accept the fact that they will only dh for the foreseeable future. Most would demand a trade or ask if they could play a different position
GaSox – Staying on what’s important, regardless of whether Cora meant this year or forever …. why not let the guy fill in now and then for Bregman? To not allow him to play even one game at third this year is not only ridiculous but can’t you see how insulting it would be? That he’s not even good enough to cover for one game here or there?
Remember Cora did the exact same thing to Yoshida last year, and Yoshida – another player with an impeccable reputation as being mildmannered and easygoing – also took exception.
Nobody is buying the “Devers can’t play even one game at third because if he does it will totally mess him up” excuse.
I mean really …. what are we doing here?
No manager in MLB history has taken a third baseman still in his 20’s who has played only 3B for every MLB game for 7 years, and immediately demoted him to fulltime DH with no possibility of any time at 3B whatsoever.
Seriously, what are we doing here? It’s like Cora WANTED to piss off Devers.
I think youve got two strong willed ego fuelled bulls. Cora took devers stance and comments as a challenge and defiance. The retalliation was to say, you know what, now, nope, never, 3B is gone, not even a breather over there.
I dont think you ever had a 3B as historically bad as devers who was just left there so long by bloom who didnt want the team winning.
Any other FO and devers wouldnt have been there that long, i dont think.
Landini – Can you name even one MLB player who was the starting 3B for 7 consecutive years and was demoted to fulltime DH in his 20’s without playing the field at all.
Plenty of people have done the research, none were found. This was a first because it makes zero sense.
The natural progression for bad fielding 3B is platoon DH/3B, or platoon DH/1B, or platoon 3B/1B, or fulltime 1B.
GaSox – Dave was the GM from 2017-2019 when Raffy was in the majors, so it’s not just Bloom.
And Breslow had the data when he took over in 2023, he still let Devers play 3B last year. So this is not a Dave/Bloom/Breslow thing ….. the one common denominator is Cora, he’s the only one that had penciled Devers at 3B for 2018-2019 and 2021-2024.
Cora was the one who demanded Raffy play 3B …. until Alex’s BFF became available this year.
I do agree with you that it’s possible Cora wants Devers gone. If Raffy’s salary goes away, it increases the possibility of extending his BFF Bregman.
A different position? You mean like 1B?!?
Part of the answer to that question is that he was allowed to play 3rd base far too long. Problem is the Sox were stuck between a rock and a hard place. They have numerous prospects that are better in the field than Devers. Now he has absolutely zero value unless the Sox eat a huge portion of the contract. As a Tigers fan, I wouldn’t want him him if the Tigers didn’t have to give up anything for him and the Sox were willing to eat have his contract. A 28 year old dh typically does not age well.
Agreed. Somewhat similar with catchers career progression. Full time C with days off every 4th or 5th game. Then C/DH if they can still hit as they age. Then we start seeing reps at 1B in spring training and some mentoring of the next young C prospect. Then we phase out catching all together and split reps at 1B/DH. If they can handle 1B that’s where they stay or moved to DH to end their career.
1B is not a difficult position to play or transition to for an infielder. Someone tried to argue that 3B was easier to play than 1B. I’m not going to bother looking for that post but holy smokes! Tell me you’ve never played baseball without telling me you’ve never played baseball. 3B at the MLB level is right up with the most difficult positions to play in ANY SPORT, let alone just baseball. Devers played poorly at 3B, sure. But to say that he’s a just flat out terrible is absurd. I mean if you want to get technical, him being the worst 3B defensively in the league still makes him one of the best fielders on the planet. He could handle 1B just fine. And I don’t think it’s crazy to think with time, he couldn’t be one of the better ones in the league.
All that being said, let’s find an option that doesn’t destroy the clubhouse. And maybe treat the guy like he has a say in any of this rather than just ordering him around.
I will note that they DIDN’T “just order him around”. Breslow went to him to ASK if he would be willing to give it a try. He answered no, and Breslow accepted that.
It wasn’t a problem until Devers complained publicly that Breslow was respecting him by asking, rather than simply ordering him around like he had every right to do. At least I think that was what Devers was complaining about? What Devers actually said made even less sense than that.
Your anti-Cora evidence is very good. Devers immediate supervisor is a jerk. Breslow stepped in to test the water and see if Devers was willing to play 1B, like a good admin. Devers said no like a child. Although that could also be bad interpretation. Which becomes media flipping his words to make him the bad guy.
They had no one to replace him at 3b last year. Bregman was a signing of opportunity
In this case it was his translator – not the media – which may have misrepresented the words… Not that the media isn’t often to blame.
I strongly believe that it was Breslow’s responsibility to ask Devers, in person, if he would be willing to play 1B. And despite receiving “no” for an answer, he didn’t run to the press but kept his mouth shut and left everybody (including the other players) wondering. That shows respect for Devers.
I don’t know that Cora is playing both sides, but I do believe he could do more to smooth things over.
Well said Waitti26
FPG: “They told him he would never, ever play in the field again.”
“It’s like they thought really hard about the best way to insult him”
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It’s more like they they thought about the best way to keep him healthy and in the lineup. His shoulders may finally be healthy due to not not slamming them into the ground diving for balls.
I agree that playing DH has helped keep his shoulders healthy, but there is ABSOLUTELY no excuse for anybody in any job in any capacity to give an interview like that. He wasn’t expressing gratitude for the move that helped keep his shoulders healthy. He was in a selfish snit, lying through his teeth.
At this point I don’t want to root for a team with him on it. It is a disgusting attitude.
Devers has one of the most needlessly violent swings in the game. Doing that a couple hundred times a week is not great for the shoulders either, but yeah, him not playing third is probably best for the health of everyone in the game, or watching the game.
Wow what a jerk.
Rookies: I’m willing to play anywhere orr do anything to help the team
Vets with comfy contracts: Don’t ask me to do anything. Go away
My favorite part is “I just feel like it’s not an appropriate decision by them to ask me to play another position.”
Like yeah, out of the blue that would be kind of inconsiderate. But it’s because Casas just went down for the year!
I’m sure he would have been more than willing to work with them had they not told him to hang up his glove in the off-season. Gotta read the whole article before commenting.
This has been an ongoing conversation for 3 years and he’s repeating the same thing every time he’s asked. Gotta know the whole story before commenting.
An ongoing conversation for three years? Is this before, during, or after they said he’d be the long term 3B before he signed the extension in 2023? Which was 2 years ago so …
You understand different people said that, not this front office. And yes, there was talk of moving him off third even with the last regime but agreed to let him play third at the extension because he pushed back against it. Players moving positions as they get older is normal in baseball, hence the original point of the original post that you completely missed.
I didn’t miss anything.
Older is in his mid thirties. It’s not two years after signing the extension. In no way, shape or form is two years into a 10 year extension a long time.
And yes Bloom is gone but Cora, Henry, Kennedy, etc are all still there. If they thought differently then, they could have said something differently then.
tigers – What on earth are you talking about?
It’s well documented Raffy kept being told all last offseason that “he’s their third baseman”.
Not once, not ever did the Sox warn him he could lose his 3B job if he didn’t improve.
And you know what? They SHOULD HAVE.
Older is once you’ve gained weight and slowed down to the point that you can no longer field the position adequately. His defense declined noticeably from 2022 to 2024 and it was never THAT good to start with.
Fever, do we know for absolute certain sure nobody ever told dever he had to improve?
GaSox – As Merloni discussed in the great podcast, Raffy knew his defense needed improving but no he was NEVER told that if he didn’t improve he could lose his 3B job.
And as you are aware, Cora repeatedly assured him all offseason that he would be the starting 3B this year.
Raffy is a plus defender on charging the ball and going to his right, it was just the throws and ranging to his left that needed improvement.
I get youre big on merloni’s podcasts this year, but, im just wondering how we know for a fact what was or wasnt said?
Just like politics, im a pox on all your houses kind of guy in situations like this. And unless theres either proof of a guy saying something, or, one guy claims the 9ther said it and the other admits it, sometimes im reluctant to believe it when it just sounds far fetched…
I remember raffy in interviews having talked about working on defence, and, team execs saying raffy knows he needs to improve and is working on it… i think the corasnake was one who talked about raffy taking pride in working to improve his D… it just feels like he was told at times he needed to improve. So id like to hear a team source admitting they hadnt told devers he needed tl improve his D.
GaSox – I don’t agree with everything Loumer says, for instance I blasted him on his criticism of bunting. LOL!
But I do view him in the pantheon of intelligent and knowledgeable media, with Speier being the very best (I’ve known him since his days with WEEI).
I take your same skeptical approach when it comes to offseason trade and free agent rumours reported with *anonymous* sources, so believe me I get what you’re saying.
But if a writer directly quotes a named person, it’s legit. No writer is dumb enough to fabricate direct quotes.
Well better a pox than a plague, right? ;O)
Yeah Raffy knows his numbers, he knows how many errors etc he’s made. But until the player is told he could lose his job, he’s gonna believe he’s safe.
My friend I put a lot of time and effort carefully wording what I write here and elsewhere …… that’s why I wrote this: “Not once, not ever did the Sox warn him he could lose his 3B job if he didn’t improve.”
So not sure where you got the impression I wrote he was never told to improve on certain aspects of his defense?
Just about every player is told what they should work on that’s what coaches do.
I just find it hard that devers could be so bad, for so long, and told to work, and not really see improvements, but believe he was untouchable. I dont know.
Its just such a strange dynamic to me. Even being told ‘youre still our 3B’ i attach an unspoken until our roster changes to that mentally.
But, as you know, they kinda fog my brain up good these days. I just wish the drama would cool dowm to enjoy the good things happening this season.
I just domt recall merloni saying anything like ‘i spoke to breslow, and, he told me that nobody on the team ever warned devers to improve his defense, or that a change would never be possible’ quotes of that regard.
GaSox – Like Joe and many others have pointed out, actions speak louder than words ….. would they have given him that massive extension just two years ago if they were truly unhappy with his defense? Of course not. I think deep down you know that :O)
He was told he’s their 3B this season, that doesn’t leave any room for ambiguity …. neither does the fact he was replaced just a couple weeks later. LOL!
Full disclosure, everybody who knows me knows that keeping promises is a huge thing with me ….. there is no “until” qualifier.
“Do you take this woman to be your lawfully wedded wife, in sickness and in health, to have and to hold, in good times and bad, for richer or poorer?”
“I do ….. *until* I change my mind” ……
NO it doesn’t work that way!! LOL!!
Yeah I hear ya my friend, I notice the difference in your writing ….gotta do what you gotta do, but the end result is a positive for you, that’s all that matters right?
Yes same here, that’s one reason why I kinda think a trade would be for the best …. seems like the relationship between Devers and management is irreparable, and it certainly doesn’t help the team. .
There’s still lots of positives though, even Rafaela had a great game today.
I can vouch for Merloni and Speier, if they say something happened, it happened. If a player gets warned, they usually have up to a year to show improvement …. the length depends on the individual situation.
But you realize actions often remove the need for words, right?
Like the Red Sox giving Devers that extension meant they were pleased with his performance, therefore there was no need for them to publicly say “We are pleased with Raffy’s performance”.
Fever – Actually, i disagree. I think they paid the money despite theur dissatisfaction with his defense after henty was booed at the hockey exhibition at fenway, and, at fanfest. A lot went into that contract aside from just his performance, IMO.
And, real world examples, your use of the marriage vows drives home my point, not yours. The wife bolted after 16 years together a few months intk my leukemia treatments… so yep, it works ‘exactly’ like that, unfortunately. Once the sickness part hits, i hear on an index card how shes tired of having to think about another person before doing things all of a sudden…
GaSox – We will have to disagree on the motivation for the extension. John Henry doesn’t get influenced to do anything he doesn’t want to do, and he doesn’t care at all what fans think about him.
You’re missing my point on promises. If they can be broken at any time for any reason (or no reason), then they are totally worthless.
Keeping promises is the right thing to do, breaking promises is an awful thing to do. Lies should never become acceptable.
What your wife did is incredibly awful, no matter how immature she may be. When I said that’s not how it works, I meant that’s not something that should ever be tolerated.
It’s all about trust, I don’t know of anybody who would trust the Red Sox if they were in Raffy’s shoes. They lied to him twice since February, he has a right to resent them.
Wow it’s late, calling it a night …. have a good evening.
Fever – To you too my friend. Unfortunately, the old ‘your word is your bond’ isnt the way of the world anymore.
But two wrongs dont make a right. And regardless of what went down with the old GM/pbo vs new gm/pbo, how devers is handling this isnt made right by anything he perceives as done to him, at least in my book.
If your boss tells you that you need to work on something, and you don’t show improvement, of COURSE you lose your job.
Devers made the mistake of thinking that his contract and a vague promise made by someone else protected him from reality.
Oh, that sucks, GA. I’ve had to think about another person all my adult life, and it is an honor and joy to do so. Wish you had somebody who deserves you.
GaSox – I readily admit I have old school values. I was taught a real man keeps his word. Also a mature, intelligent man THINKS about what he says before saying it.
I would be livid if the Sox front office lied to me as often as they lied to Devers.
Yes I get the two wrongs don’t make a right, but if someone swings at me first then they are getting a right ;O)
If someone does me dirty the way Sox management has, I’m not gonna do them any favors.
And you know what? His teammates won’t say it publicly, but I’m sure they support Raffy …. players stick together, just like management sticks together (except Cora of course).
And those players in the Red Sox clubhouse know they could end up in a very similar situation as Raffy years from now. I’m sure they know the history, how Sox star players have been mistreated under this ownership.
I’m plenty upset about the Red Sox front office under Bloom lying to fans and players. And the Liar in Chief is still running things. But as you say, two wrongs don’t make a right, and choosing losing over winning is never a good strategy for anybody.
FPG – theres no reason to believe that Devers has been anything but a conscientious employee for the last 12 years. Because, in all that time we’ve never heard anything about him being a bad employee or teammate. Thats a pretty long track record. As a matter of fact, heres an article from 2023 about how Devers works and seeks help to improve:
nytimes.com/athletic/4550384/2023/05/26/manny-mach…
Now, in the one freaking minute that Breslow has been here all of this negativity is happening.
Clearly, the conversation about playing the field was part of the Bloom contract negotiations because everyone acknowledges it took place. Devers just really didnt want to be embarrassed about his weakness, and thats exactly what Brslow did to him. If they wanted to move him off third, they should have been talking with him since last August when it became clear they werent making the playoffs.
Instead, Breslow (as stated in the link below) confirms that the conversation didnt happen until spring ( and most likely not until after Bregman rejected the Astros).
si.com/mlb/red-sox/boston-red-sox-news/red-sox-are…
Wait – Have you ever heard of ANY employee who received a massive bonus or pay increase despite their performance being rated as unsatisfactory?
Sorry but every baseball analyst, insider, player with knowledge of the situation has insisted the Red Sox badly mishandled Devers the past few years.
And no, being a poor defender doesn’t necessarily mean you lose your job.
Geez, Alec Bohm was by far the worst qualified defensive 3B in MLB back in 2022 with a -17 DRS and he’s STILL the starting 3B for Philly and currently the 2nd-worst in MLB.
Sad – Great post and I appreciate the links! People who are correct tend to support their stance with facts and sources, and you do a great job of that.
My only question is who drove the decision to treat Devers the way he has been?
Breslow seems like a good guy, Cora obviously is not.
Breslow seems to value honesty and transparency, Cora obviously does not.
Breslow is technically Cora’s boss, but Cora obviously has more power than Breslow because of his 8-year relationship with ownership.
Breslow doesn’t have a history of ulterior motives and schemes, Cora obviously does.
So as I mentioned before, is Cora/Breslow playing good cop/bad cop?
Or is Cora influencing and pressuring Breslow to do his dirty work for him?
That is something we just don’t know.
I suspect that Cora is undercutting Breslow in the clubhouse, probably unintentionally but the end result is what it is.
FPG – based on everything i’ve read and heard, Kennedy and Cora have the ear and favor of the owner.
The conversation to move Devers off 3B wouldn’t happen until spring when they signed Bregman.
FPG: “That is something we just don’t know.”
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There are a lot of conversations going on behind closed doors that we don’t know about. So, conclusions made from afar may be wrong.
So that forces the Red Sox to continually roll our a terrible fielder. At the MLB level should a team have to tell someone doing a terrible job they need to improve. Every baseball fan knows he needs to improve
How does this counter anything in my post? I didn’t even say his name. Fans obsessed with blindly defending their favorite players are creepy
Because you said “not this front office”….
The coach, the owners, nearly everyone but the GM/CBO is identical. Even the assistant GMs (Romero, Ferreira, Toboni) are the same.
Joe – You tell ’em!!
Yeah Cora was such a weasel trying to put all the blame on the one guy who was no longer there.
I highly doubt they told him verbatim “hang up your glove”. He interpreted it that way because he’s a whining selfish man-child. No franchise is going to back themselves into a corner by telling a player they won’t play in the field no matter what.
They could have phrased it any way they want to, but the point was they told him he’s not playing the field anymore.
Devers told the truth, which was confirms by Cora, about the FO saying he’d be the long term 3B. Don’t think he’d start lying now.
KC – You’re 100% wrong.
Cora CONFIRMED Devers would never play the field, not even when Bregman has a day off or if he’s injured. Do you not understand how insulting that is to Raffy? It’s like telling him he’s not even good enough to be a backup.
And Cora has refused to allow Devers to take reps at first base for years …. in fact, Cora refused to allow Raffy to play first base in the WBC when the Dominican Team manager wanted him to.
You really think they told him “Never, not once, while you ever play the field again over the course of the 10-year contract”. In the prime of his career. It would defy all logic. So while it may have been phrased that way, I’m more inclined to believe it wasn’t.
Yes, Cora’s role in this feels pretty sketchy… The stories don’t add up.
Shea – I would have thought a team wouldn’t have been dumb enough to say yeah you, a bad defensive 3B is going to be the long term 3B so sign this extension but Cora confirmed it.
So I’m inclined to believe Devers here.
Yeah, that would be a really foolish thing for a GM to say. I actually don’t doubt that part – Bloom did some pretty foolish things, and Kennedy lies frequently.
Kcs – They told Devers they wanted him to focus 100% on DH, which obviously means no fielding.
Both Cora and Devers have confirmed this, among others.
Joe – Exactly! Actions always speak louder than words.
And there has NEVER been an instance when Raffy was caught lying, unlike his manager whose nose would be a foot long if he was Pinocchio.
BTW – I saw your postings elsewhere, really enjoyed them.
Wait – I totally agree!
Perhaps Cora and Breslow are playing good cop/bad cop, since Cora is in the clubhouse with the players while Breslow is just a suit.
But there’s zero chance Breslow is making decisions on his own without at least getting Cora’s blessing first.
I do believe it’s highly possible Cora didn’t want to talk to Devers about trying first base because he knew what Raffy’s response would be.
But again, Cora is the manager and it’s HIS job to talk to his players about uncomfortable topics. He needs to stop trying to be every player’s BFF.
It seems like you are overly invested in this subject.
KC – why didnt Devers play third when Bregman went on paternity leave?
because Cora told him to throw away his glove
I wonder how his teammates feel about him.
I wonder what they say about him among each other. Obviously, they haven’t said it to him.
Looks like his teammates like him just fine when I am watching the games.
Jbig – His teammates and the rest of MLB love the guy.
I could provide plenty of direct quotes proving it, but I have a strong feeling you’d simply ignore it.
Lot of assumptions from a question FPG.
I wonder how Yoshida feels, knowing that he could be playing in the majors if Devers would accede to a position change?
Wait, im sure devers doesnt care. Just like devers doesnt care what helps the team win games
Saux signed these two no glove all bat DH types. Saux should help these guys leave Boston ASAP.
Zoinks!
Yea this is a bad look..he was better off not speaking
Every additional quite added makes him look worse. The remark about the outfield is so petulant and disingenuous.
It looks like what it really is…
When you call out a GM like that you are pretty much saying to ownership, “Get rid of the GM or trade me.”
Yeah, it might come down to that. Either way, Cora should also depart for playing both sides against the middle.
Of the two, devers is much more expendible
8 years/$250M or so left on that contract… 8.67 years, really…
*a quarter of the way through the season, but the point stands…
Agreed. You have to go straight to the money to get context.
With 8.75 years and $277m left on the deal, it seems hugely unlikely any team would take that on, given even in his peak years Devers is just a 3-4 bWAR player. Call it 4bWAR to shade towards optimism, and he’s already in his age 28 season.
Give Devers a typical decline phase and he’ll put up roughly 17-18 WAR over the next 6-7 years, before he’s simply too bad to even DH. Even at $10m per win, the Red Sox will have to eat $70m-80m, and a reasonable worst case, say a 30% outcome is that he’s simply unplayable the last 4 years of the deal, beginning with 2030 at a cost of $126m, where he’s a DH with a sub-100 OPS+.
The Sox aren’t eating $70-100m to move him, so who’s going to take him? If they’re smart they’ll work out a way to get along with Devers, and do it quickly.
lol, what a team guy. but he hits, so he gets to do and say what he wants.
What an egomaniac!
“that was then” is the right response to his concern about the request changing
oh no, things changed bc of personnel changes!
And if was such a red line for him, that’s what agents are for. Spell it out in the contract.
What is he gonna say when he stops hitting?
Thank you for the contract?
Actually agree with Devers. Dude didn’t want to leave the field, ended up being forced too, now they ask him to play a different position on the field and become uncomfortable in another role. no thanks the boston redsox are a shell of their former past.
Yep, I just posted something similar. They should have been having him work at 1B to get him onto field and Casas off against tough lefties maybe. Give your roster flexibility.
Will I play first base if they bring in Bregman? NO!!! I play third base! You weren’t LISTENING! CLARO?
You skipped the part where he signed a 300+ million dollar contract to play baseball for the boston red sox ..in whatever capacity they choose…hes not writing checks , hes cashing them..till he starts writing them he should do what is asked..nobody is asking anything unreasonable here..hes being a child
Yeah and they told him he’s lousy at defense and he’s no longer expected to play the field. Now they want him to? Kinda bs in a way
so
What major leaguer with any pride under the age of 30 doesn’t want to play defense. Unless perhaps they are coming back from injury. That in itself is a huge red flag
No, he signed the contract with a supposed guarantee that he would remain at 3B. Then when Cora saw a chance to get a buddy on the team he lied to Devers initially and told him they were pursuing Bregman to play 2B to get Raffy to help recruit him and then once they signed him they tell Devers “oh, BTW that deal to remain at 3B was with the old FO and we’re not honoring that and you’re moving to DH.” And you wonder why Devers is pissed?
Pool – they said he would be the long term 3B before he signed the deal. They went back on their word there. They told him to hang up his glove. Now they want to go back on their word again. When does it end?
When he’s traded
I get what you are saying and maybe im being naieve or silly trying to equate it to a normal job but in every job or business change is a given in 2025 the days where we all go to work and do the same thing for 50 years are over..he just needs to box up his feelings and get witb the program..amd realize he isnt calling any of the shots
I get sucking it up and dealing with it to an extent, but I’m a big believer of actions have consequences. Consequences can be good or bad, it’s just a result of the action.
If this was my job, and they took a responsibility away and said that I will not do it even though I wanted to, and then something happens and they come back and need my expertise, well that’s just another bargaining chip. Pay me more money or give me some sort of additional perks because you completely mismanaged the situation originally.
I see the point you are trying to make..but the problem with your argument is devers traded his bargaining power when he signed the contract..and if he refuses to honor his contract you are right there will be consequences..so he can say whatever he wants..as long as he plays ball..and if there really was some sort of agreement to stay at 3b..then he needs to have his union lawyer file a greivance
If you had a job and they took away your responsibility because you were the worst in the industry at that part of the job, then you shut up and do what they are paying you to do, Its called being an adult.
I agree 100%. Boston fans were against him when he wanted to keep his position and now they are against him when they are changing him again. It’s one thing for that to happen to a utility player, but it shouldn’t happen to the face of the franchise.
“Boston fans were mad when he was selfish and then they are mad again when he is even more selfish”
That’s one interpretation. Mine is a different one.
And incorrect
Sort of exactly what you said.
How exactly is that anything short of selfish?
He is no longer the face of the franchise. That title goes to a team leader. This is not how a leader acts.
He was never a leader
Boston paid him to be the face of the franchise. They chose him over Xander. Whether he acts like it or not is really immaterial. They are still paying him as the face of the franchise.
I’d expect the face of the franchise to step up and volunteer for something like this. Look at Bryce Harper.
They need a smarter face of the franchise !!!
They had Mookie Betts and threw him away :c
Hi flew- Devers is far from the face of the franchise.
Anyone who has ever been involved in any sort of team knows people like this. Not sure why that’s your take away, he’s literally willing to let the team lose
Marlins – he’s willing to let the team deal with the consequences of their horrible handling of the situation in the first place.
By signing an all star player who is light years better at defense? By changing their front office and not having the same empty promises? How exactly did Devers look like the “good guy” there?
TIL that roster mismanagement is grounds for refusing to do the job you’re contractually obligated to do.
One was a demotion. This is a lateral promotion from his previous position for the benefit of his team.
These are all lateral moves. He’s in the starting lineup for the major league team every day regardless.
This is a communication problem. The Red Sox didn’t communicate to him things would probably be changing before they signed Bregman.
They are the ones that told him 3rd base was his for the foreseeable future. They are the ones that didn’t have the hard conversation beforehand. Who knows why. But when you sign a contact with specific understanding between parties, if those conditions are changing now, or soon, it’s respectful to have that talk in private. And as far in advance as possible.
Not once the media is asking 100 questions. This is poor management by the team. It didn’t have to be this messy. And yes he’s not acting in the best interest of the team.
You can tell he looked at this contract as his job marriage, with certain conditions understood and spoken. The media sniffed around and pounced on a possible affair, asked him about it, speculated about it in front of him, and then the team brought in his replacement.
I know it’s a professional contract to play a game. But he had one role to fill and accept (DH), and he did. Now they want more.
For better or for worse, the marriage was consummated (contract signed). Now they all have to live with it, and so do the kids (fans).
Awful take
His role is to step on the field at whatever position his employer tells him to play. If he refuses, he doesn’t get paid. On most teams you are not asked, you are told. On the Padres Bogaerts was not asked to play 2B, he was told he would be p0laying 2B. On the Blue Jays Guerrero was not asked if he wanted to play 1B, he was told he would be playing 1B. The employee doesn’t make the rules. He signed a contract and now he has to abide by it or suffer the consequences of not being paid.
Yeah ok. But there are plenty of ways to get that money. Anthony Rendon 2.0 is a real possibility at some point.
I bet that if the Red Sox would publicly accept blame on how they handled this, it might go a long way to repairing things. Because at the moment, to me at least, they approached this with some “you’ll do that we say and you’ll like it” mentality.
This isn’t a job at Walmart. They can’t fire him. And with the mess they’ve made of the situation, value and leverage has been lost regarding trade value. The team earned this situation.
And yes he’s petulant. And yes he could take one for the team. Again. But right now he’s hitting well and the team can use his bat. He holds all the cards if he chooses to go full Rendon.
There is no blame for the Red Sox. He will play where they tell him or he will hit the restricted list and not get paid.
Other teams don’t ASK players to move positions, they tell them it’s happening. The GM and Manager do what is best for the team. What will help them win the most games.
All the blame here is on Devers. 100%. Of that there is no question.
Part of the problem is that better, more talented players left Boston one by one until for a brief period Devers went from 3rd or 4th best, to the best, and as last man standing, got a contract.
But now, now Devers has been displaced with at least 4 more talented players than he is from a war standpoint maybe 5… bregman, campbell, abreu, duran, and due to his massive defensive value, maybe Rafaela in war… making Devers #5/6 on the totem pole. Soon, Mayer and Anthony may displace him down even further.
Yet Devers still wants to act as the indispensable top dog, which, he isn’t.
@The Chicago Cubs Add to that the Red Sox claiming that a player’s handshake agreement with the previous GM was meaningless, and this going off the rails was the current FO’s doing.
If they wanted to reverse that agreement they should have sat down with the player and hashed it out in private.
What a POS.
Whatever happened to doing whatever you can to help the team win? Trade this moron
What if the team’s bus driver goes down, should they ask him to fill in there too? The Red Sox have lost their way. Ahahahahahahaha!
This strawman makes you look like as big a drama queen as Devers when he said “they can’t expect me to play every single position out there.” They’re asking him to fill one role, and it’s the most predictable one for his skillset. They’re not asking him to do anything crazy, unless we’re assuming being a team-player is a crazy request for Devers.
He’s not really wrong because I think they should have started the transition to some 1B in Spring Training, while also getting little work at 3B to play there “every once in a while.” I don’t think they should have said to put away the glove.
Who knows what they tried to get him to do in the spring. He basically sulked the duration.
If they said put your glove away, sounds pretty cut and dry they didn’t try him at 1B at all. Especially since it was never reported on.
I find it hard to believe it was phrased put your glove away forever. The reason i believe that is devers also claimed they talked about him in the OF based on hia quotes. I chalk all of it up to exaggeration om his part inspired by sour grapes
He doesn’t want to admit that he lost his defensive job for cause. While the Red Sox possibly could have suffered with him there for another year or two, Bregman is UNDENIABLY the better fielder. He’s been hitting pretty well too.
What would be the point of Devers taking reps at 1B if Casas doesn’t get injured? He’s probably complain then that they worked him out at the position, but never played him there.
Get him into some games obviously. Casas doesn’t have a long track record of success and he started out horribly this year. Would have given you another option. It’s not weird for teams to have 2 guys capable of playing 1B lol
Get him into some games? Lol. As the DH he’s already in games. And, when Casas gets a day off, probably when the team faces a tough lefty. you don’t play another LHH in his place.
It’s open up a spot for platoon guy at DH though.
So, platoon the DH position, instead of at 1B? What’s the difference? Any RHH position player can be the DH.
Giving reps to Devers at 1B at ST, not knowing Casas would be injured, for the sole purpose of platooning at DH, while losing the platoon advantage at 1B makes zero sense. Especially since Casas has hit LHPs better than Devers.
Something tells me this contract isn’t going to age well
Right? The Sox should have thought of him as a bad defensive 1Bman with a hitter’s profile not quite as good as Pete Alonsos’s through the end of 2022 when Alonso was two years older than Devers at the point Devers signed that monstrous extension. Not a player you want to sign for anything resembling $330m.
The Sox basically signed Devers for what the Yankees will pay Aaron Judge. Or if you figure Devers rates to be done as a productive regular by the end of 2029 even at DH, the Sox tied up $330m over the 7 years of the deal’s ‘useful life’ in contract jargon.
How was this close to the Sox’s best move with $40-50m a year to allot from 2023-2029?
I wonder if Devers is ignorant about how awful this looks or if he just doesn’t care.
The second one
Why does it look awful? The team told him to hang up his glove and now that they had an injury and literally no depth at 1B, they need him to play the field.
Maybe they shouldn’t have told him to hang up the glove in the first place. You reap what you sow.
Let me ask you this. If Devers were playing third right now and they moved Bregman to second to start the year, and now they wanted to move Bregman to third and Devers to first because of the injury to Casas, what do you think his reaction would be? Based on his history I’m guessing Devers’ reaction would be exactly the same.
I guess you’ve just ignored why Devers is miffed. This isn’t a situation where he doesn’t want to play in the field. Devers is standing up for himself because the team is jerking him around like he isn’t a person.
Cleveland – I disagree, Devers 12 year track record with the organization has been stellar, as a teammate and employee.
I think a lot of this could’ve been softened if Bregman had a multiyear deal. You don’t have to be a genius to figure out that (at this pace) he’s leaving.
Sad Sox — Which Cleveland is this direct?
Oh please.
He is a highly payed employee.
I think he is too immature to actually understand.
Bingo. Zero self awareness.
He probably believes he’s standing on principle, given what he believes the organization promised him as part of its campaign to convince him to sign the extension.
Just might be he thinks the team’s word should mean something.
What would happen if they put him at first base and he flat out refused to take the field? Would they still have to pay him?
He could just claim aback injury or something. Try and prove that untrue.
No need to. Let him claim the injury, place him on the 60 day IL for the rest of the year, and collect the insurance. Trade him in the off season to the worst team willing to take the contract no matter what the return.
Yeah because that’s a winning move, trading your most productive hitter for essentially nothing. Maybe they should have avoided jerking around an important player to the team the way they did.
No one is going to take that contract. Not without the Red Sox passing a significant amount of it. And throwing in some decent talent to the deal.
He is not even the 3rd most productive hitter this season. Maybe he should pull his head out and just do what is best for the team.
Ken – I totally agree.
All of this because Cora wanted his BFF for a year.
Pure insanity, Sox management is totally out of touch with reality.
In 2006, the Nationals wanted to move Alfonso Soriano from 2b to LF. He was unhappy with it, and dragged his feet in spring training. But he played 158 games in LF that season, and had zero appearances at any other position.
I think that players have to play where they are told.
But then again, if a team hates a player, can they demand that he play shortstop when he really should not play SS, and hope that he refuses to play to avoid paying him?
Phillies, No. They could put him on the restricted list, and he would not get paid. If they choose to put him at 1B, he does not have a choice if he wants to get paid.
Bro you’re making $30mil/yr just shut up and go try out first.
Try to trade that contract no going to be easy
Some fans don’t get how difficult it is to learn to play a new position during a Major League Season.
Potato potuto apples to oranges but Austin Wynns of the reds, a career catcher, had a total of one inning at first base his entire major league career thus far coming into their matchup against the braves a couple nights back, and he looked like a gold glover over there. He made a couple diving stops, fed the pitcher the ball on the money for an out a few times as well. You have players like that, willing to put everything on the line to do as the team asks and do everything to help your team win, and then you have Devers, one of the top paid players in the entire sport not willing to help his team out, even after he watched his own teammate suffer a catastrophic season ending injury. He’s pretty pathetic in my book. Also just to add a little extra spice to the tea, Wynns has .01 less WAR than Devers in less than half the playing time. And only 2 less home runs. He’s hitting better than Devers in a small sample size through and through. Devers may have heated up, but Wynn’s start has been better.
Don’t think anyone is under the illusion that its easy, but clearly the Red Sox think he’s capable of it, and that it would make the team better. Devers is paid well, his focus should be on helping the team win however he can, even if it means struggling for a bit
Okay. Its difficult. Are they not paying him enough for difficult?
Jorge Posada went from C to 1B during the playoffs. It’s not like Devers threw away all of his gloves and stopped taking fielding practice at 3B. He can take some reps at 1B too.
I certainly don’t think it would be easy. But I expect the face of the franchise & highest paid player on the team to step up and try it. Betts would have.
This comment will probably be lost but……
Might it be possible that Mr. Devers knows full well that he can’t play 1B and if he’s put there he’s going to have fans (and the Boston media) coming after him harder than they are today just talking about a possible move? Not to mention that his precious hitting ability is going to suffer.
3-4 years ago I saw a point where Mr. Devers was improving at 3B and posted that here. Of course that improvement soon evaporated.
To me (and many fundamental baseball followers) 3B is the most inconsequential position on a hardball baseball team. Taking a guy like him and moving him to the position that handles the ball more that any other than P and C is simply crazy in a league where there is now a DH. Imagine the man trying to catch throws from the other 3 infielders when they’re off-balance and trying to nip a batter running to 1B…..especially in a close game…..and even more especially if in the close game there are opponents runners on base when the pitch was thrown. Whew! Talk about the reaction from fans and media on social media……and that’s inevitably going to happen….a lot.
First off, this guy knows his limitations. He’s a crummy 3B and that isn’t changing. Put him at any other position and it’ll be worse. DH is a nice way for him to hide behind any criticism…….except the Boston media loves to stoke the fires……and MLBTR must be paying people by clicks because this same tired story had come out 3 times a week on here since even before Bregman was signed.
Lou Merloni and Kevin Millar discussed how difficult it actually is learning how to play First Base extensively during the first two games of the series against the Rangers. Then we saw the collision between at 1B between Romy Gonzalez (runner) and Josh Smith. Smith who is not a 1B had his foot in the middle of the bag and Gonzalez had no where to go and they collided. Foot work and positioning are as important as good hands the ability to pick the ball out of the dirt
Except he didn’t say his issue was being thrown into the fire mid season. That would be more understandable.
And what’s the excuse for not giving it a shot? If he goes out there and has a couple of stinkers, at least he could say “Hey, I did my best. But I don’t think this is gonna work out”.
Like the answer or not can we finally put this topic to rest?
Raffy is settling in to the DH role and if play 1B would mess with that either from a performance or a maturity standpoint then it’s probably not worth it
I agree both sides should move on. Devers is healthy and playing great.
They should bring up Roman Anthony to be the primary DH (or to rotate thru with their other outfielders), and use Devers off the bench.
why not put Anthony at 1st base? he’ll be the face of the franchise so they better start screwing him over early so he learns.
on the 1 hand i see his POV. he is the team superstar. massive contract. he wants to be on the field. he never asked to be taken off and installed as DH. he watched as they replaced him at 3rd base with a new FA signing. hell yea i’d feel bad for myself too. now they’re asking him to fill in at 1B, not bc they think he can do it but bc they have no other choice and werent expecting casas to go down (he’s always injured, boston should have had a plan B). imagine someone told you “you’re not good at defense, you dont belong in the infield, you belong on the bench and can only play when its your turn to bat.” then a minute later “ooopsie my bad, we need you on the field again.”
all that being said, ofc devers can always just suck it up and be more mature and do whatever he can to help his team win. many players would just shut up and play and do their best no matter what the circumstances are. thats called being a team leader. but both sides are at fault in my opinion. but at the end of the day, its devers who can easily pick up a first basemen glove and end all the noise. instead he wants to create more controversy. but there’s no way in hell you even consider trading him. despite the immaturity, he is a beast at the plate. his shoulders finally seem fine again. he’s smashing the ball again. boston needs to suck it up too and accept the fact that their superstar bat is a bit childish.
When you pay someone that much, you should know the person your committing to.
To think they signed Devers and traded Betts. You know, the guy playing shortstop for the dodgers. After playing second base and right field.
Well said. Plenty of blame to go around, but at the end of the day Devers is handling this about as poorly as he possibly can. At the very least he could’ve worded things a lot better but obviously didn’t care to.
You should have said that the front office. Had they not kicked this nest of immaturity there’d have been no issues. But it then begs the question of their competence. Are they really that stupid to do it twice or are they knowingly setting him up?
Cleve – I tend to think they are setting it up to get him out of town and save face. Finding a match will be more difficult, but the groundwork is now laid.
Sad Sox — It’s a shame but I agree that this is an op to ship him out, by the whole organization. Henry down to the media. It goes to show that there is a good reason the owner thinks the team can lie to the fans without an issue.
ALL other players would shut up and play wherever the team asked them too. Can you point to one this century that has done what Devers has done.
Web: Every situation is different and I understand Devers unhappiness with the way he was treated.
Derek Jeter refused to move off SS when the Yanks brought in A-Rod
As I said in the other thread, he should be willing to mop the floors with the money they’re giving him. He’s a prima Donna, and it’s going to hurt the team more than help
If he will not play where you want him to play Don’t pay him anymore.
Or just put him there anyway. File a grievance if he balks.
IMO its fine to think you can’t play a position, but its really bad vibes to call out your team in the media for asking.
Devers apparently doesn’t know that the media is self-serving and how to deal with them.
I don’t think he cares. He was smart enough to say the right things to land his Red Sox contract.
Yeah. Devers may not care if the Red Sox get bad press after they pushed him from 3B to DH and told him to put his glove away. I think DH is the best place for him. So, I hope this blows over quickly regardless of who is right and who is wrong.
The article I saw was more or less all direct quotes. His words speak for themselves.
I hear Anaheim is lovely in July
The Angels have a slightly used 3B they’d probably be willing to swap
Dude there are so many guys who would be happy to fill in anywhere so they could play major league baseball, but we have multi millionaires saying their feelings are more important than the success of the team.
I am a guy that would love to play baseball for a living with that contract. But I suck at baseball. Just like most of the guys you are referring to. Results determine value.
Jose Altuve volunteered to move to left field and volunteered to move from leadoff to batting second in the lineup if it would help the team. I know some of you dislike Altuve, but he’s a veteran willing to do whatever it takes to help the team. Now THAT’S a team player.
He even cheats to win. What a hero.
So did all the Red Sox and Yankees players in 2017 when the Astros were using electronic sign stealing. How is any of that relevant?
Dude unwilling to learn to help his team says all you need. I think if I’m the GM that would honestly be the final straw. And, Raffy, it ain’t that hard!
Look what Javy Baez did for the Tigers. He’s a pretty good CF’er now. He’s really turned it around.
I thought Fever Pitch Guy claimed that the Sox staff never asked Devers to play first base? Wonder where he’s getting his sources from
Never mind, FPG said Devers claims he wants to play the field, which is inconsistent with this article. Yet Fever Pitch Guy says his sources are all reputable…
I think fpg makes most of it up as he goes till called out them throws a tantrum
Gotta be one of the most unlikeable players in the league right now
LOL. What a jerk. Glad he’s Boston’s problem. Tigers don’t have any of those currently, thank god. Gleybor Torres could possibly pull that, but he hasn’t yet. AJ handles these type situations well.
Dodgers should trade Muncy for Devers. And play him at 3rd.
Devers is the worst 3B there is, and a diva besides. Not opposed to trading Muncy, but definitely not the least bit interested in Devers.
No thanks.
Dodgers don’t need another stiff.
You think the Red Sox want Muncy?
He must be asking for a spot on the bench.
I wonder if he would have the same attitude before getting his money?
The team told him to hang up his glove instead of doing the smart thing and having him work on it incase Bregman opts out, or even getting reps at 1B to be versatile during spring training.
Instead, they said hang up the glove and now they need him and want him to bend over backwards after treating him like an afterthought to sign Bregman.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes Red Sox FO.
Bregman should offer to play 1B. Let Devers have his 3B back. Bregman is the new guy here. Sure Bregman is a far better 3Bthan Devers, but the whole way the Red Sox went about this was wrong.
Ship him out? Not a team in the world gonna take on that contract or attitude.. good luck with that!
No chance!
Devers range is knee to knee at best!
Lets see. You are saying the Red Sox should play Devers at 3B and lose more games because he was there before Bregman?
“What we have here, is a failure, to communicate.. “
Diva.
probably a good long term extend candidate
It’s actually not very hard to change positions and tons of players do it midseason or offseason. What a clown.
It actually is difficult. The fact that many players do it, doesn’t mean it isn’t. The players that do move to another position do so knowing that the team needs them to do that, despite the difficulty.
Nobody is taking on that monstrosity of a contract
31m a year for 800 something ops dh only? I don’t like that. Definitely not a bargain. How’s he going to be well into his 30s as a fat lazy slob.
Do the “Mariners desperately need an impact bat” when Seattle is second in the American League (and third in MLB) with an OPS+ of 125 to offset a pedestrian ERA+ of 98?
With aces Logan Gilbert and George Kirby on the IL, the Mariners have no “surplus of pitchers.”
Castillo and prospects for a DH with a 8 year 200 million dollar contract? Put down the pipe
A “cheap organization” with the second-best record in the American League after winning nine straight series.
FWIW since the start of the 2022 season Seattle has posted a cumulative regular-season record of 285-237 (.546) while Miami has lost fans with a 229-293 (.439) record.
Indeed, Marlins fans can clutch memories of World Series titles 22 and 27 years ago (before Jackson Chourio and Jackson Holliday were born).
Former,
Devers is not a 3B, he is a DH. It doesn’t matter what team he is on.
Devers is being paid 3B/1B money for being a DH. No team would trade for that, let alone someone with his attitude.
One of the few team match ups that might be willing to give value back for Devers in a trade based on the plummeting value he just gave himself. His contract is rough, but the upside for the M’s is pretty high. They need another elite bat desperately. They have enough to gain to be a potential suiter.
Semantics. Anyone that stands at a position in the score book is playing that position, but to be clear, Devers is bad enough at third base to be a guy standing at third base, not an “actual” third baseman. I played shortstop half my games in the field when I wasn’t pitching simply because I had the best arm and range, but I would never have the arrogance to sell someone that I was a real shortstop. I was a real first baseman. I could pick it, had good footwork, excellent range, and way beyond the average arm strength for relays, double plays, etc. In short, way above average utility there. I was a pitcher/first baseman. Devers is a DH/guy that stood at third.
Pedro Guerrero played games at third base. Encarnacion played games at third base. Neither was a third baseman.
Devers has never had value defensively. He has negative value defensively. Devers playing first base under these circumstances would be the first time in his career that even as a liability at the position he would actually have real value to his team being in the field, because he would add his bat to the on-field lineup over inferior alternatives, free up the DH, and potentially create a space for a prospect. It is just the most logical, and best alternative the team has.
I will also leave you with this. Who on the roster is actually a first baseman? There are guys that have played a few games there, but every single option is a guy being asked to do what Devers will not do. Play a position they don’t play.
If you ship him and that lousy contract out of Boston you are getting nothing back. Seattle is now short on pitching.
I agree, but they remain one of the best match ups for teams in the league down the stretch. Clear need, and potential quality excess that either have to deal or pay for.
William – I’m sticking with Philly, Devers really respects and likes Dombrowski.
And Dave values offense more than defense.
Mariners are not going to commit that much money for him.
Former favorite franchise….bandwagon? We are proud of what mariners are doing, yes we all know they don’t spend enough and team history. Makes the current win loss sweet. I guess they could buy two world series then dump players?
FPG – this is all very disheartening, coupled with yet another .500 record at 20% through the season.
If they trade him, fine (whatever) i root for the front of the jersey, not the back. BUT, i have zero confidence that Kennedy, Breslow, Cora will be getting player personnel moves right going forward in the near term.
Sad – You’ve expressed my feelings exactly.
Unlike some others here, you and I see The Big Picture. I can’t think of another MLB team that has had this much drama with their star players over the past 5 years.
It’s obviously led to a lot of losing during that time period.
If there isn’t a major organizational change going forward, the losing will likely continue. It sucks, it really does. The wounds are all self-inflicted.
It appears we have some answers:
Clubhouse is *not* pleased with devers, and, his teammates do *not* back his stance:
nypost.com/2025/05/09/sports/red-sox-teammates-rea…
x.com/gfstarr1/status/1920618357155352665
NY Post, Boston Herald… I’d take that with a grain of salt.
GaSox – Now wait a minute here!
What about your pox? You not trusting what reporters claim …. remember? It was just a few hours ago you wrote that! LOL!!
Like I said, I trust ONLY direct quotes by named people.
Not only was no player named, nor the number of players stated, nor what they said revealed, the 2-word supposed summation of “their reaction” couldn’t be more vague.
“Not positive” could be as simple as the players not wanting to get involved or pick a side, which BTW would be the sensible thing to do.
Until I hear from credible people like Alex Speier or Lou Merloni, no way I’m gonna give any attention to a reporter’s personal feeling with absolutely nothing to support it.
Man I’m glad we don’t talk politics!! (even though I think we lean the same way)
I dont know, its a developing situation but i havent seen a single sox player jump in on record backing devers up
Meow – Agreed, a 2-word attention-grabbing personal interpretation of the clubhouse reaction is weak …. very weak.
I know Gabby has been on the job only a couple years, but she really needs to do better.
She actually reminds me of Sarma. LOL!
GA: There is not one quote from any teammate in those links. This is manipulative reporting. “Not postive” does not tell us anything. This is like me asking you what color shirt you are wearing and you tell me “not blue”. The reporters are hoping you assume not positive = negative. The comments could have been neutral.
What i was reading and interprering it as was a person in the room, physically seeing the reactions in real time – ie: their first hand direct observation witnessing it as it went down.
Its like if you were waiting for to cross the street and sqw an accident and told me no brakelights on the other car lit up, you didnt see them slow down.
Now, thats not the same as the driver saying they didnt hit the brakes, but, its also a step above a random reporter just writing speed may have been a factor purely as guesswork…
As for politics, i hate them all. Some more than others
GaSox – They are smart enough to not get involved in an employee/management dispute.
Trust me, I know firsthand ….. if any employee has an issue with management, coworkers will keep their distance because they don’t want to face repercussions from management for supporting the coworker.
If people are happy with their jobs, keeping said job is top priority ….. maintaining a friendship with a coworker is not. Coworkers don’t sign your paycheck, management does.
@all in the suit
Well said. There’s no remotely solid basis from which to presumme Devers doesn’t have his teammates support (or their antipathy).
Also, how many players know the situation both well enough to comment, and also want to go up against the front office?
GASox, not much of a big surprise there. Be a jerk once and players will notch it up to being misquoted or bad translation. Repeat the same garbage attitude and players sit up and take notice.
If you clicked on the links and read the articles and other posts, you would see that the initial report came from the highly respected Chris Cotillo.
All, that is total BS. No player will ever come out on record and blast a teammate during the season.
When you have this news coming from 4 sources now, two of which reference Chris Cotillo and one that said it was heard from players in the clubhouse who specifically asked not to be quoted on record, it’s solid news.
You would have to be especially dense to believe that any player would be happy that Devers had refused a 2nd time to do what would be best for the team.
boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2025/05/09/red-so…
Don’t limit it to those sources…
Apparently even teammates told devers to shut up mid interview
Web: Wow. You expect people to believe what people think without direct quotes? I think that’s a bad idea.
GA: The article says it was one teammate. You report it as teammates. You just showed how reporting can be inaccurate. Did the player want Devers to stop talking because he disagreed with him or because he thought he it should be kept out of the press?
We will never know all the details of this situation because we are not there. After pushing Devers off 3B after apparently saying he would stay there, some repercussion should be expected in my opinion.
Web: I really only trust Alex Speier in the Boston media. I haven’t seen anything from him yet.
*I haven’t seen anything from Alex Speier about Devers’ teammates reactions.
Well, that is kind of stupid. You have 5 sources now that all say the same thing and you only trust the one who only occasionally writes and hasn’t talked about this yet.
He did say that Henry, Kennedy, and Breslow flew to Kc to dress down Devers. to in essence tell him to shut up and play where the team needs him to play. To be a good teammate.
Yes. I am free to trust who I trust.
Javi Baez called from CF to say “thanks for making me look even better…”
At least he’s committed to winning…..except if it involves him playing 2B or 1B.
Good teammate? What is he thinking about? His team needs him to play 1B, and he’s refusing. Red Sox are stuck with him and the huge contract. Nobody wants that cancer in their locker rooms.
Unless he has a full no-trade clause in that contract they should trade him for anyone that is a decent player without the attitude. That said the Ownership knew what they had and what kind of player Devers was before extending him.
I’m pretty sure I read the no trade option starts next year… his 10 year/5 with one team.
“Rafael Devers does not have a no-trade clause in his contract with the Boston Red Sox. This means the Red Sox can trade him to any team without his consent. “
Mr devers YOU ARE A COLORADO ROCKY!
Diva
Trade him asap to a team in last place
They are paying him over $300,000,000 to play baseball. Meaning he needs to do what is asked of him. If he feels disrespected maybe he should give the money back and try somewhere else.
I am so disappointed in him, he was my favorite player, but I can’t root for someone that values the name in the back over the name in the front.
They need to tell him do it or you’re suspended, stop with this childish crap
Trade Devers to the Cubs. Problem solved. Maybe the Cubs will send Turner back too.
Clown
Still needs a translator? Pretty lame, screams LAZY!
Red Sox could have paid Mookie Betts, who volunteered to play one of the hardest positions in baseball (shortstop) to help his team. But they paid this clown instead.
Great teammate.
Have to laugh. All the commenters who whine about him not being a “team player” or willing to try first because he should do “whatever will help the team” are the first ones to complain when their boss asks them to do something not in their job description.
tigerdoc616, Your take is comparing apples and oranges on the basis of supposition..
@tigerdoc616 You’re making stuff up.
I’m bored on a day off from work, I’ve finished my household chores, this is the top story right now, so I’ll ask an off topic question I’ve been pondering:
If this Trent Grisham performance is real and sustainable and he ends the season with 50 HR’s and 100 RBI’s and 5.5 WAR or better, what kind of context could he be looking at, do we think? And would the Yankees attempt to re-sign him?
“I’m bored.. Trent Grisham performance is real..50 HRs and 100 rbi”…I’m more likely to believe the Trent Grisham that’s been a well below average hitter for the last 5+ years, than I am a guy who’s suddenly an unbelievably good hitter in his walk year.
Trent Grisham is considerably more suspicious than Jurickson Profar was last year and people called me “old man”, when I mentioned how Profar suddenly became very good, just in time for a new contract.
That is a very fair point. When it’s a guy on your team doing this, you don’t want to question it. He’s a brand new father, he seems like the nicest dude on the planet, his mustache is awesome, he was a salary dump/complimentary platoon player in that trade…
All that said- he consistently displays 20 HR power in almost every season, with one season where he paced for 28 HR’s.
Bottom line is: He has real power no matter how you slice it.
And unlike Profar, he isn’t bouncing back to an extreme degree after a disastrously down period where he seemed washed up- he’s provided very consistent performance and it’s possible that getting to play in Yankee stadium and getting more regular AB’s could have allowed him to take his 20 HR-power to 40-ish HR power, not unlike Jose Bautista did when he ‘figured it out’ and became ‘Joey Bats’ after being a middling journeyman player.
But it’s completely fair to wonder if he’s enhancing his play in order to secure a bigger free agent contract, especially after the Yankees convinced him to take less money in his final year of arbitration- which, how did the Yankees convince him to take a 10% pay cut rather than giving him a token raise in his final year?
Usually Yankees will give a guy *extra* money in their final year of arbitration, because they have zero intention of extending them.
Typically the Yankees low ball their arbitration players when they’re leaning toward re-signing or extending them in free agency.
So I have no idea what their thinking was/is now with Grisham… and lets be honest, he’s still only pacing for about 5.5 WAR.
Remember Chris Carter? He swatted 41 HR’s one year but only generated 0.7 WAR, but the Yankees gave him 1 year/$3M to see if he could replicate it.
So I don’t think Grisham’s sudden power surge is gonna trick anybody into handing him like, 5 years/$125M or anything, but it’s gotta count for something and it’s not like he had very limited or no power prior to 2025.
Also:
Profar’s 162 game average: 1.2 WAR with extremely inconsistent power and 4+ negative value seasons until he ‘miraculously’ turned it around in 2024 out of nowhere…
Grisham consistently provides 3+ WAR value over 162 games and has again displayed very consistent power numbers.
He’s actually been way more consistent and productive compared to Jose Bautista through the same point in his career-
So guys do sometimes ‘figure it out’ or ‘put it all together’ a bit later in their careers, without juicing.
He sure sounds like a d..k! Big baby not a team player
Is his 3b better than Bohm?
Send him to the White Sox. Punish him and make him suffer.
-said the White Sox fan 😀
“More to come…” (on the next episode of Devers’ Drama… will he really Outfield? Or is he just mentally in Out Field?)
What a diva.
That contract is gonna be hard to move, but they gotta try.
Coach and GM tell him he is awful defensively and that he will no longer play the field. Cora had no problem telling the media that Devers was a DH only for the Red Sox now. Cora closed the door earlier this year. He didn’t even leave it cracked and now Devers is using those words against him.
He is salty and I’m here for it, but he is also awful in the field. Not a Red Sox, but I presume this relationship becomes pretty toxic before too long.
If they had to tell him he was awful defensively, then he is incredibly stupid as well as incredibly selfish and bad on defense. Typically, when you are the worst at something in your entire professions, you know it.
Devers should have a talk with Javy Baez.
Baez plays wherever the Tigers ask him to. He’s a terrific SS, but plays a credible 3B and is now a bona fide CF’er. He’s also hitting over .300.
Devers might be hurting his team, but he’s really hurting himself. MLB is really hard and putting more stress on yourself by being at odds with your manager and teammates….and the fans only makes it harder. Red Sox fans are incredibly loyal and supportive of their guys. Rafael is asking for it. Fenway will not be as welcoming for him going forward.
The Red Sox are in a bind. Trading him is almost guaranteed not to get a decent return. Can’t keep him. Can’t trade him.
Who’s the clubhouse leader in Boston? It should be him….but he can’t be if he refuses to help his team.
This is the way.
Baez was a disaster, but he seems to have accepted the reality of his situation and he and the Tigers are trying to make the best of what’s left on that contract with creative mixing and matching of his role on the club and it’s basically working out, finally.
If the money is guaranteed and the results speak for themselves, for better or worse, one would think the player would be eager to help the team out any way they saw fit.
How about moving Rafaela to SS, Story to 1b, and then bringing up Anthony? Maybe Mayer eventually displaces Rafaela to a super UT role?
But wow have they made Devers upset, although he hasn’t exactly been great about this either. When Yoshida comes back he’ll be blocked at the DH slot too. I feel like they need to trade one or the other.
Yoshida can hit but can’t throw so he’s already blocked at DH by Devers.
Rafaela was bad at SS. Been there, done that, should never do it again.
He did improve after a month or so at the position. I was impressed at how rapidly he picked it up. Still much better in CF, of course.
Yall are gonna lose Bregman anyway after the year —- keep Devers happy.
The Red Sox and Bregman and by extension Cora might all decide they want to remain a throuple and either Bregman doesn’t opt out or the Sox extend him-but I don’t think he’s simply opting out and walking in the hopes of a different team giving him more money when he’s a year older, after the experience he had last off season.
I’m sorry did you forget that he’s a Boras client?
3B isn’t going to belong to Devers if Bregman opts out. Marcelo Mayer would surely be the default option there.
Devers says: “He (Breslow) played ball, and I would like to think that he knows that changing positions like that isn’t easy.”
Of course Breslow knows that. I know that, and I never played professional ball, let alone at the ML level. I think most baseball fans know that. But, unexpected events sometimes create situations that require a GM to ask players to do difficult things to help the team. Breslow isn’t the first, and most guys would do what’s asked.
I think he knows that but after the move to DH he’s not willing to make another change, or at least not without whining first,
It’s not up to Devers to make that decision. If he refuses to play where they tell him, he will be placed on the restricted list and won’t get paid.
Web: Time will tell who wins this power struggle between Devers and the Red Sox.
Suit – in things like this there is never a winner, everybody loses – just my opinion though, worth every penny you paid for it
Yes, he made the move off 3rd for “the greater good of the team” finally, only after pissing and moaning, making the move a circus.
That’s all the mustard he could and will afford cause moving off 3rd to DH took SO much mental & SO much physical strain that he doesn’t have any mustard left to learn 1st base for “the greater good of the team”
All the mustard he has left is to be used on his baked beans & hot dogs while his fat A** sits on the bench for 9 innings contemplating how to sit on his fat A** for 9 innings as a DH.
What a female dog!
If 3rd opens up this year then hes going to keep his butt in the DH spot cause he already moved once?
He would be crying to Cora to go back there, what a female dog
Devers is NOT a team player. Pathetic!!
I mean realistically moving that contract is going to be super rough. Devers is still a very good offensive player. Let him ply those specific tools if hes unwilling to make a defensive adjustment. Unless hes just going to be disruptive to the clubhouse, then you kinda have to move him elsewhere.
This whole situation at least how it may end reminds me of Nomar
Nomar was actually a really good player. The Sox fans have always overestimated this guy’s talent. An average war of 3 over 7 years doesn’t make you a superstar.
Hang in there, Red Sox fans. Just…nine more years to go.
Cora, Breslow, and the rest of the empty suits now have to lie in the bed they made for themselves after the way the Bregman signing was handled late winter and throughout Spring Training.
My dignity and pride have an incredibly high price.
I don’t know what it is, but I’m pretty sure it’s lower than $300m.
If the bosses paying me $300m wanted me to play 1st Toilet Stall Janitor, I’d say sure.
Imagine what his is now that he already got 300M. You think 300M makes him want to lower his head?
So “lowering his head” is “playing first base”? Playing first base is a shameful thing?
Vlad, Freddie, and 28 other massive dudes would like a word.
You brought up the lowering his head. I merely played with your analogy. I never said they equate. Plus you’ve misunderstood my point. He already has the bag. Not trying to earn it.
Cleveland, you brought up lowering his head.
Selling out your pride and dignity is lowering your head, it is to capitulate. Which is what you described when you talked about cleaning toilets.
My point wasn’t that 1st base is the toilets, I think it would be somewhat good for him if he did play. But that to make him capitulate to them again after being disrespected, the 300M doesn’t factor anymore. For him to accept their demands costs a whole lot more than the original price. Hence it doesn’t make sense to compare what’d you do for 300M to him.
He talks a big game for a guy batting .246 with 5 HRs.
Guaranteed contract! And he’s making it so no other team would want to make a fair trade for him.
Couldn’t be happier that the GM that traded mookie and gave this guy huge money now works for the Cardinals. This is how the smallest market in MLB keeps winning the division.
MY pride will not allow me to be a great teammate.
Sox should just look for a first baseman they are a dime a dozen. They already have a good offense why cause distractions during the season
So, judging how he said he was a third baseman and didn’t want to DH, and a week or two later he was DH, I’m guessing it’s 5-7 days until he’s our starting first baseman.
Not sure if this is Boston media or just Devers being terrible at communications or his interpreter, but they need to fix something there.
This is clearly their intent, to drag him threw the mud publicly. They did it previously and it worked. Why wouldn’t they do it again when they can control the narrative so easily?
I mean if you were able to jerk around your star player and also create justification to ship him away without the fanbase turning on you but actually get them on board despite treating him like crap. Yeah I’d do that too especially if the money was tied up to a position that isn’t crucial to defense.
The team didn’t “drag him through the mud”, Devers did that with his own comments. Most of this is direct quotes of what he said. NONE of this is on the team.
It’s funny how we don’t like players’ attitudes but we are fine with organizations going back on their words. It was a terrible promise made to him but that factored into his decision. If you go back on it, he doesn’t need to cater to anyone.
Going back on their word, or filling a need for the team? He’s making an average over $30 million a year! But he only cares about himself… not the team, not his teammates, not the fans. His decision? He had no decision. He’s an employee and he has to do what his employer tells him to do. You’d understand that if you had a job.
Could it be both? We have a litany of Sox fans complaining about Devers who was literally lied to at the end of the day and everyone is like “he should shut up and play”. He made a life changing decision on what had amounted to false information. I’m not suggesting the signing was smart but try telling any worker that it’s too bad they signed up for X and they are getting Y in any other context.
Happens all the time in real life…
“It’s funny how..promise made to him”…Raffy is not some rube, wide-eyed, 1st year baseball player.
He’s been around the block much more than a couple dozen times.
No athlete should be dumb or naive enough to believe a “promise” made by a previous team leader will remain intact for the 10+ years of his very long term contract.
Sports teams are not charities or amateurs and literally make major, major changes every single year and have never really operated the way you’re suggesting.
Substitute athlete for worker and also think about all the contract law that exists and this makes no sense.
I understand they signed him to be a career thirdbaseman and Devers remains in his prime years. However, teams are dynamic and a player needs to be mature enough to understand that. One’s own ego is not above the other players on your team when they’re trying to win. Devers can dislike the front office but it’s about the guys on the field and in the dugout.
Yes. Teams are dynamic and don’t need to be held to any account so let’s complain about the worker who signed the contract under what had amounted to false pretences.
There are some people that should never be seen a second time. You are one Down.
Look, when i work for a company, and my boss is fired, then i get a new boss, i dont run to the owner of the company complaining the new boss isnt following what the old guy no longer with the company told me.
But thats what devers situation is. He couldve had no position changes written into his contract. Hus fault it wasnt
With all due respect….you haven’t made a life changing decision as Devers has.
What, signing a 300m contract to play a kids game?
Moving across the diamond is a “life changing decision”?!?
Signing a contract to stay in one place for 11 years is the life-changing decision Devers made.
The team’s duty is not to keep verbal promises made to players by previous front offices. Their duty is to put the best team they can on the field to try and win ballgames.
No wonder we’ve got corporate companies walking all over people, the people are masochists.
Hahahaha… I’m laughing at the pathetic Red Sox fans. I told the the Sucks fans I knew what a stupid mistake it was tying your franchise to this fat little boy. I figured his career would be over by about 30 as he blew up into another Pablo Sandoval Remember how that worked out for you!? But I didn’t count on his FU attitude towards the team and the fans. To think you could have had Mookie as a career Red Sox. Great choice!!!!
Hahaha. It’s funny cause I hate the Red Sox. But hahaha. Yes. Hahaha.
Who wins the pool of: Devers will not be happy about the teams will ask him to do??
Devers might be the next / current Marcus Stroman or Mike Hampton:
He will never be happy anywhere and his performance will yo yo and he will act like he’s so happy for a change of scenery, then the change of scenery will be his new normal and he’ll struggle because he’s got defensive limitations and the DH position isn’t what it was when guys like David Ortiz dominated them and he will become disgruntled again, etc. and the team will look to trade him/he will demand a trade and we could be seeing the next Mike Hampton type where they try to burn the remaining money off across 2-4 different clubs over the duration of the deal.
…and to add to my above. Wasn’t Cora the coach during his extension negotiations and he gets to pull his “don’t blame me” stunt. There is zero org accountability here.
Cora is a conceited, arrogant guy who takes no blame for anything and acts like he’s above reproach but is also proud to have cheated (except where it comes to being Puerto Rican, wherein he really tried to hide behind identity politics pride there when that story first broke…) and he will never take accountability for his part in scandals or failures.
…and this is ONLY the 2nd yeAR of the contract…….stay tuned……
Pretty sure they wouldn’t want you in the outfield, Raffy.. let’s be serious here.
IDK he’s doing a pretty impressive Manny impersonation.
Boot his ass. He is not the only one going “Back on their word” Back when they picked up Breggy, 2 weeks later “I’ll play where they need me”, which now has the caveat of “SIKE !!!!”
Send him to Tampa OR the ROckies, oh, or the Athletics 🙂 Send him to what the other players consider the bottom of the barrel
Better yet. Send him to AAA for a couple weeks. He’ll play where he’s told to get back to the Majors. Baseball is a very team oriented sport. He has apparently not been taught this or anything related to being a good teammate.
Guy’s getting traded at the deadline. I’ve been saying that since the offseason.
Objectively, the attitude Devers is displaying is not that of a leader. But at the same time, this definitely feels like a bed the Red Sox made and have to lie in. Of course they couldn’t have expected a Casas injury, but it really feels like they mishandled this situation at every turn. And all for one year of Bregman
I’m good to do whatever they want me to do,”
Except what they want.
Pass him down on Waivers, let the roulet of silliness snag him
How many of us commenting have had jobs where our Job description got changed and we either went along or left.Devers is a drama queen and Henry and Werner need to tell Breslow and Cora to tell Devers he works out at 1st or he doesn’t play.
so if you can’t control your life, it’s better to shut up and take it?
Should have just kept his mouth shut on this one IMO. And if anything, playing first would have actually helped boost his value at least some
This is the problem of a GM change. You agree to one thing with a guy, and someone else comes in and changes it all. Now back to back GMs have made splash signings of 3Bs and they get to pay $65M/year to a single position for potentially 3 years now.
De has all the leverage though. If they don’t play him he still gets paid and the team loses benefit of at least his bat. It’s a shame he doesn’t at least consider trying it.
No one player is bigger than the team. Period
Did I say he was? Was responding to someone who said just cut him..not that easy. Thier post is gone now.
So never said one player bigger than team. Period
Hawk, that is 100% wrong. If the Red Sox tell him to play 1B and he refuses, then they place him on the restricted list, and he gets paid nothing. I for one hope they do exactly that. Then while he is on the restricted list place him on waivers and when no one picks up his contract, they option him to the minors. He can then refuse the minor league option, and his contract is voided.
Well I was wrong. I was pretty annoyed at all the speculation yesterday based on people parsing various inconclusive things said by Cora and Devers but now Devers makes a clear statement and confirms it all
Unbelievable. I think it’s time to get rid of this cancer. He’s sending a real good message to teammates. One of the most selfish players in memory. I feel bad for Boston fans.
That kind of me first attitude
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I don’t blame Devers at all. He is right that it is not easy to change positions. I think it is crazy to attempt to change to a new position during the season.
The Phillies have Schwarber as their DH.
You have no idea about me or Devers. You are reaching conclusions about people you have never met. Devers is hitting well. He doesn’t want to switch positions. It’s not the end of the world. If he switches to 1B, he might be horrible there and his offense night to down the drain. It’s hard to say that Devers is clearly wrong. I respect that he doesn’t jump through hoops.
He is right that it is not easy to learn a new position, but I sincerely doubt anybody ever said it was.
And that’s possibly the only thing he was right about in the whole conversation. The rest was a self-serving lie with only faint resemblance to reality.
While not a pro ballplayer, I know what my answer has always been when asked to do something challenging to help out my organization.
Devers said they told him to put away his glove. I don’t blame him for not agreeing to get his glove back out. I think he is doing just fine at DH and don’t want to mess with it.
Devers lied about plenty in that interview. Nobody ever suggested that he play the outfield. I don’t believe anything he says at this point, blatant dishonesty.
Blindly doing anything for your organization is what led to severe worker abuse in Japan.
I agree. I don’t blame Devers for not jumping through every hoop they put in front of him. He already jumped through one when he switched to being a full-time DH.
Trade him to anybody that wants the contract, and don’t expect anything in return.
If they were truly asking him and not telling him he needed to do it, then it’s perfectly acceptable to refuse. He just needed to be politer about it.
Suit – i dont mind that devers doesnt want to play 1B, but, i dont like the attitude or the reasoning hes explaining it with.
If you recall, i actually prefer he stays at dh this season. But, that attitude reeks of clubhouse vitriol and drama, which, can have bad effects on overall morale
GA: Hope you are well. I don’t blame him for being mad about being pushed off 3B. Maybe the clubhouse is behind him.
Suit – thanks for the well wishes. Last week was my second cancerversary, and, still fighting! Hoping to find a few folks to take in a game or two at some of my monthy visits to MA for treatment/monitoring, i always said when they dusted off the checkbook for impact players if crack open the wallet again.
Not sure what the clubhouse stance is, but, its a BAD look for the rookies or guys like mayers/anthony that devers pushes these buttons and doesnt face comsequences
Where is BigPapi when you need him? Needs to help put Rafa in his place. Getting paid $30 mill, supposed to be the team leader and this is what he’s upset about? Pathetic. Breslow should’ve handled the singing of Bregman better but this attitude BS sounds like a whiny spoiled 14 year old.
Selfish player and really ain’t that great . One dimensional
This Guy”
Trade w/ Miami
Sandy Alcantara for Devers and Marcelo Mayer That is a terrible trade but I bet the Red Sox might think about it.
Devers (who I call Jiminy, because he looks like Jiminy Cricket) is a PR nightmare. I mean, I respect his honest answers, but he could use a media training sesh or two with Crash Davis.
Yeah he needs to learn how to lie to us because we don’t respect any truth anymore.
Devers is right. If the Red Sox want to win, they need to stop publicly shaming their best hitter. Leave him alone to mash at DH.
How’d they shame him? This was Devers publicly stating he won’t play 1B, not the Red Sox putting him on blast. Devers is doing this all to himself.
No one tried to shame Devers. The media is poking around looking for stories and they got one. Devers can’t keep his mouth shut.
They haven’t done anything publicly. Devers has.
Jeez, what a strange situation. Devers seems a little delusional about his defensive acumen or lack of. It’s not a good look for either side. Front office could have handled this better too the whole Bregman to 2nd was a bizarre red herring that they didn’t really need to put out there, doesn’t seem like they ever entertained the idea. Weird that Devers is being so petty, I get that his feelings are hurt but at the end of the day do you want to be in a position to win games or not.
So I’m just guessing but does the name on the back of his jersey say “Selfish “ ?
Go make friends with Wander Franco and see how that goes Doughboy! He otherwise grab a glove and go where they tell you go. They own you for the next decade.
I don’t really get the hate.
Red Sox are treating their star player like a back player, you build around guys like Devers not move him to positions based on signings and injuries.
If they wanted him to play 1B they should have talked to him in the offseason and started that process long before Bregman or the Casas injury.
“If they wanted him to play 1B they should have talked to him in the offseason and started that process long before Bregman or the Casas injury.”
So they should’ve talked to him about playing 1B before they ever had a reason to play him at 1B? What?
Is that how teams treat their star players now?
When has another team ask their best player in their prime to move to a position they have never played before midseason?
You made exactly my point, they shouldn’t use their best player to fill holes, they should fill holes around their best player
Devers is NOT bostons best player. Id probably put him around 5th best position player on the mlb club
He’s been 1 or 2 in WAR for the Red Sox the last 5 years but ok
“I don’t really get the hate”…And so virtually no one agrees with your point of view and so you label them all as guilty of “hate”? Gotcha.
I think we all know where labeling others leads and has gotten us here in America.
I’m not American you dork.
And there’s lots of comments who agree with me, if you were able to read more than 2 sentences in a night I’m sure you would have got to them
Dusty, but you are definitely a dork.
Wrong. Teams don’t ASK players where they want to play, they play them where they will help the team the most. Players, even stars, deal with it because that is their job. Period. End of conversation.
In the beginning of spring training I said.. if they are paying you as a star 3rd baseman and want to put you at DH it shouldn’t be a problem.. I even said if my company wanted to pay me as a manager and they wanted me to push carts all day , I would be the best darn cart pusher… Well now if I was a cart pusher and they said, we’d like you to run a deli shop…. Sorry.. my hypocrisy only runs so far….
That last line somehow makes me think of val kilmer as doc holiday in wyatt earp
If he refuses to play 1B, put him on the restricted list so he won’t get paid. He signed a contract to play baseball.
Or they could DFA him. I’m sure Milwaukee would love to play him at 3B for league minimum.
Yes, I’m sure the Brewers and every other team would be happy to have him at league minimum.
If there is a way for them to get away with putting him on a restricted list without pay, then they should. But there would be a massive grievance filed and the team probably loses that. He’s not holding out, he’s just being a pansy about everything they ask.
It’s not that hard, Scott. Tell him Wash.
It’s incredibly hard!
Red Sox have reached a stalemate with Devers. Obviously he’s unwilling to be a team player & do what’s best to help the team win.
It’s time for the Red Sox to give Devers a dose of reality. Put Devers on the trade block & find someone else who not only wants to be a team player & can help the team
Devers is producing very well for the team at DH.
Suit, theres a line where production doesnt equal value in undermining the front office. Especially with so many young players in AAA or on the club. This disrespect cant go unchecked or it will be noticed by the kids, who will also disrespect the brass
The Red Sox apparently undermined Devers first. The Red Sox should not be surprised Devers is no longer entertaining their wishes. The good news is Devers is healthy and producing well. So, both sides should move on and Devers will continue to have a great year.
The FO couldn’t undercut him, because Devers doesn’t make the decisions where he plays. That is 100% up to the FO and manager. He will play where they tell him and if he refuses, he will be placed on the restricted list and not get paid. It’s really that simple. As of today, Devers is not in the top ten hitters at DH. in OPS or wRC+ Devers needs to shut up and do what is best for the team.
A dose of reality? More like a dose of relief. I imagine anywhere he goes he won’t be treated as poorly as he has been by the Sox.
Albert Pujols moved off 3B to play 1B, LF, and RF. Miggy moved to 1B. Vladdy moved to 1B. Mookie. These guys were/are leaders with no drama. Devers is not one and doesn’t want to be. Not everyone does nor is built for it.
Nah those aren’t good comps. They never had what Devers has. Pujols, Vladdy, and Mookie moved around during their control years. Miggy moved to 1B after he was traded. They had no say. Devers had the teams blessing until they changed their minds.
It would’ve been fine to ask him to change but so out of the blue and so forceful was what made this situation a problem. I imagine Devers would’ve been fine moving to 1B if the relationships weren’t strained and he was given plenty of time to adjust to the new position.
I think you nailed it. The problem was that the relationship was strained by Breslow acquiring Bregman to replace Devers at 3B. It had almost nothing to do with the 1B need.
I will note that Bregman has clearly been a difference maker, both at bat and in the field.
Ultimate team player lol. That contract is looking real bad. You think Judge would refuse to play any position to help the team?
This is how you respond to that…
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Ha ha. This guy is a manchild. There was some doubt before, now there is none.
Hey Devers, grab your glove, get on first, and STFU.
Sincerely – Red Sox Management
If X didn’t have an NTC, I’d do everything short of trading De Vries to swap him with Devers if he’d be willing to play 1B with SD.
They should trade him to Pads and then have Machado play first.
Lol, the irony
How many times were you bounced on your head as a child?
only the glass table and the mountain bike crash and the diving accident and the snowball accident. Just enough brain cells to enjoy a harmless joke with the belowed Padres.
Meanwhile Javier Baez has gone from SS to 2B to SS to 3B to SS and now is apparently a GG Centerfielder
Different players have different priorities
I’m a Yankee fan and I feel bad for Red sox fans. This is bad.
Devers is an All-Star DH. Looks like he will have a great year.
Devers is not a top 10 DH in OPS or wRC+.
Is he going to pull this once a month for the next 8+ seasons?
I want to see what he does if they are down 16-1 one night and they ask him to pitch.
The MLB version of George Pickens
BoSox shouldn’t pretend to be so obtuse They know that Devers was their most valuable offensive asset and to talk to him like he’s some AAA player is not appropriate. But he swallowed hard and moved to DH though many players would have just kept silent and moved there – there are also those that would have not moved. Now, they want him to move to 1B. Both moves should have been discussed behind closed doors with respect and deference for Devers’ views and feelings. . Why? Devers has more leverage than the BoSox have in this situation because they have to pay him.-no matter what. So, how does this end?. Devers will move but resent it and show it. The fans will resent Devers. It’s Boston. Devers is. black. He’s going to be run out of town before a new season begins. Unhappy ending all around.
Playing a different position shouldn’t be a big ask for a player that already got the bag. If he was a free agent and hadn’t gotten a good contract yet I could see the pushback, but the guy is rich and he’s only out for himself.
Do you think you just get a 1B glove and it’s all figured out?
Devers isnt their most valuable offensive asset. Or their 2nd, or even their 3rd
You think Boston fans can’t accept a DH-only Dominican player?
I mean I get it, he was promised this, promised that to stay in Boston. New regime jerks him around…essentially demotes him. None of us would be like ok cool at work, you’d be in hr or talking to a lawyer. I’ve been a Sox fan my whole 45 years of life and I’m a Mainer. Some of you fans disgust me, bringing up wander Franco?? Gtfo
He has a right to be upset, but that shouldn’t be shown to the general public. The team comes first and he’s paid to do a job. They shouldn’t even ask, they should tell him you’re playing first or we are sending you to yoshida land.
You sir are a shill for the Red Sox owner
You sir would be a horrible teammate if you’re siding with devers. There is no reason to make this rant public. He’s done this twice now. Anyone else on this roster should be pretty mad that he’s not willing to do what’s best for the team.
Should have started in Spring Training. Having DH only players is dumb. Keep your roster flexible. Especially when they’re still young.
He doesn’t have a no trade clause and the contract isn’t prohibitive. I’d move on if there are takers.
Devers is an idiot. A couple years ago everyone was saying the team better pay devers or they’d dis disown the team. He was the fan favorite and everyone supported him. He’s somehow turned himself into the enemy in a couple months. He got his money and he doesn’t care about the greater good of the team. It’s not like they are asking him to catch. 1b and 3b are pretty interchangeable for a lot of players. If he really didn’t want to lose his job he should have been a better defender. Never thought I’d say this but Bregman is a true red Sox leader and devers is just an over paid cry baby. I hope they find a way to get rid of him at this point.
The thing that really boggles my mind about this is that he was always a bat-first defensive position just to have someplace to put him type of a player who was always destined to be moved to a lower skilled position or full time DH for the majority of the second half of his career. This was always his profile and there have been tons of players like him who were just as offensively prolific that had defensive positions that were token just to keep them in the line up- so I don’t get why he is so upset.
This isn’t personal. He’s a certain kind of player and this is how that kind of player’s career tends to go and he’s still going to get his at bat’s and the money is all guaranteed….
So again- why is he so prideful about being a position player when that was never the reason he was signed to a lucrative extension or received any of his arbitration salaries, etc.?
Exactly. Hopefully he hits the lights out this year and shows that his contract is a bargain compared to the free agents and we can trade him to someone who will be dumb enough to play him at 3b.
Oh I am a Yankees fan, haha. All due respect but I hope y’all are stuck with him, he stops trying and is a financial albatross and awkward waste of space on the roster who becomes a massive head ache for the team that provides minimal to no productive value because he’s checked out and refuses to make an effort.
I hope he is y’all Jacoby Ellsbury/Yoenis Cespedes.
That said- the objective reality of the situation remains that he can be a reasonably productive offensive player who shouldn’t really care what position he plays, so long as he gets at bat’s and his checks clear.
It would take some major dumb to want this guy on your team.
Do we all think the Red Sox organization have no responsibility in Devers stance on this? Don’t give a player your word on his position when you can’t hardly predict roster needs from year to year. Why he was so set on playing 3rd I can’t say but the President of baseball operations assured it was his when he signed. I’m not saying he happily moved to DH but I don’t think he’s made a huge issue of them going back on their word but maybe it’s just a little early for him mentally to entertain being ok with them going back on their word a second time and asking him to move off DH to 1st. My suggestion is don’t tell players they have a position set and you’ll get far less backlash when you ask players to move around the diamond
If that is true it was bloom that said it and he’s an idiot. If it’s not in the contract, it doesn’t exist and there are no obligations. This is a devers issue, not a team one. Could they have handled the off season better with him? Sure, but I don’t think his reaction would be much different.
Someone pays me that kinda money I’d scrub toilets from Dawn to dusk. Grinning all the while.
I’d scrub with my tongue
“… there are also those that would have not moved.”
Wrong. No player gets to decide where he plays. Teams, as a courtesy, will ask a player to move to a different position. If the player says no, it’s still the team’s decision. But that usually doesn’t happen. If it has, it wasn’t made public by the player. The difference here is that almost all players will do what the team asks, since most guys are team players. Look at how many players play different positions.
“Both moves should have been discussed behind closed doors…”
It was Devers that went public with a preemptive, “I play 3B”, amid all the speculation of where Bregman would play. He also is the one that went public with the team’s ask of him to move to 1B. To my knowledge, the Red Sox did not announce that that they wanted Devers to play 1B. That was revealed with Devers’ declaration that he wouldn’t play there.
Devers’ ethnicity (calling him black suggests Afro-American, which is not the case) might play a role in the perception of some fans, but certainly had no affect on how he was handled by the team.
The red Sox need to get rid of this lazy clubhouse cancer. He is in no way interested in improving the club at all and wants to complain about everything. Get rid of him or things are going to get much worse.
Punk on dever.
Trade this guy. Is it all about me me me or what is best for team????
Big words from someone who would easily be replaced by the #1 prospect in baseball right now if traded.
Red Sox fans in Spring Training: you’re a terrible fielder and should be a DH only player.
Also Red Sox fans: this guy is a loser for not wanting to play the field
“Red Sox fans in Spring Training: you’re a terrible fielder and should be a DH only player.”
Which is true, if everyone is healthy. When injuries happen even guys that should only be a DH, need to help out.
“Also Red Sox fans: this guy is a loser for not wanting to play the field”
It’s not because he doesn’t want to play the field. He declared himself a third baseman. It’s because he’s unwilling to do what the teams asked him to do to in a time of need. Why was he willing to play 3B, but draws the line at 1B?
lol you really think he would play 3B if they asked him? No chanc. They essentially told him he’s bad defensively but want him back in the field.
Why was he willing to play 3B, but draws the line at 1B?
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Looks like they forced Devers to switch from 3B to DH. After that, I find it hard to blame him for resisting switching from DH to 1B. However, I think it is best for him and the Red Sox for him to remain at DH. I think he will be healthiest at DH. His shoulders may finally be healthy and he is hitting really well. I don’t want to mess with it.
So, because he didn’t like it that they moved him from 3B to DH, it’s understandable now that he’s going to pout and refuse to play 1B?
Yes, but I don’t see him pouting. He thinks they gave him hard time when they said he was the third baseman of the future and then took it away and he is giving them a hard time back. I don’t have a problem with it. He is producing very well at DH. If he was dogging it, that would be unacceptable.
“…when they said he was the third baseman of the future…”
They key word there is ‘they’. It was Bloom that made that promise. Bloom is no longer with the Sox. Breslow is tasked with doing the best thing for the team, which was upgrading the Sox having the worse defense in MLB at 3B.
Devers is not dogging it, but he absolutely is pouting. Those two things are not incompatible. His nose has been out of joint ever since Bregman was signed, as evidenced by his preemptive declaration that he was a 3B-man, and nothing else. Because he’s angry about the move off the position, it’s like he’s saying, since I’ve been taken off 3B, I’m not going to play 1B, so there.
Devers didn’t have a choice. He refused the move to DH at first. Said he wouldn’t play there if asked. Then his agent or someone else gave him a dose of reality. Refuse to play that position and they don’t have to pay you. Suddenly he changed his tune.
Now he is singing the same song, but the bottom line is the same. If he refuses to play 1B after the Red Sox tell him he will be playing there, they don’t have to pay him. He goes on the restricted list and can stew there about the indignity of getting paid $31 million but having to move position.
Many of us didn’t want a full time dh and suggested he go to first in the beginning. They should’ve put casas at DH if they couldn’t trade him.
Yankees fan here, so you can call into question my objectivity, but I think Devers has a point. Yes, he’s being paid an enormous amount of money and should be willing to play a position he could probably master, at least marginally, with a minimum ramp-up. But it looks like the Red Sox could have handled things better. If Bloom has said “as long as I’m here” then his beef would be off-center. But I don’t see a lot of people claiming that–instead, it’s “Bloom’s promises as unenforceable” which sound a lot like a process answer tat’s a bit weasel-y. I also would speculate (speculate, that’s all) that Red Sox management used Devers’ then status as a #B in negotiations with Bregman’s agent. Devers is stuck now, and the Red Sox are stuck with an unhappy player. Not a great outcome although I’m sure they’ll eventually patch it up.
Imagine if Judge refused to play CF…
I’d be very unhappy
maybe we can trade DJ for him, he’s willing to play 1B
Great. So the team is stuck with an overpriced DH(albeit a good one) with a bad attitude. He’s an employee of the team. It’s not like they are asking him to clean the toilets. They are giving him a chance to play the field again and help out the team in the meantime. This is very reasonable request.
I know others disagree, but I think his attitude blows.
You are correct. Terrible attitude.
Spot on. Most arguments from people I’m seeing are irrelevant. Like the front office handled it poorly. Or, he didn’t refuse, he just needs time. Yes, the front office did handle it poorly and Cora is incapable of being a good manager, but it doesn’t excuse him for spouting to the media and acting like a child over something other players do all the time. Same goes for him needing time. Of course he does, no one expected him to just grab a glove and be fine, but he needs to step up and earn his pay. He’s acting like doing his job is a slight and a nuisance. It’s disrespectful to his teammates.
Man, I never really looked at Devers’ overall stats before- and oh boy was he *overpaid* to begin with. Oof he was overpaid by about $6-$8M per season and by about 3-4 seasons- I don’t understand how the Red Sox justified this contract to themselves, given his defensive limitations and his age going into the deal….
I suppose it doesn’t matter if he’s making $17.5M or $20M or $25M or $31M, etc. his salary isn’t really the issue at this point… but still…
They overpaid Devers by about 3-4 years and $5-$6M per year even going by his peak performances.
I dont see that. He was an all-star 3 out of the last 4 years and he was like 25 when they paid him. Thats what baseball players cost.
He was clearly the type to age poorly and was always a defensive liability, regardless of his age. Lots of examples of this out there- Pablo Sandoval, Prince Fielder, etc. etc.
Also not saying he didn’t deserve some kind of extension at the time, but clearly the Red Sox should have been transparent/honest with him and with themselves about his likely career trajectory (that is- that he was already defensively weak and what they actually valued was his bat, so he should disabuse himself of thinking him being a third baseman mattered in that equation)
The reality is he’s this generation’s David Ortiz for them and Ortiz got paid less than guys like Manny Ramirez, because he had fewer skill sets.
Going by that, if you updated Ortiz’s salaries to today it’d literally only be $17.67M averaged- and their WAR values kinda line up.
So really even if you rounded that up a bit to like $24M a year (kinda like J.D. Martinez) Devers is still overpaid, even going by market value, by about $7.5M a season.
He was over paid, over extended, no matter how you slice it.
And another thing. I remember both Miggy and Albert played 3B at one stage and both ended up playing 1B; I don’t get what this guys issue is?
Doesn’t he want to help the team?
He wants what he wants, mainly.
Ay best he is immature. At worse, a narcissist.
I didnt used to actively dislike devers as a person, but, im getting there.
I defended Devers when they wanted to move him to DH. Were his feelings hurt because they signed Bregman? Sure and that’s understandable. He’s had six weeks to experience Bregman helping the Red Sox win ballgames. Just STFU and do what you can to continue to win. If you suck at 1B, then back to DH you go. Where’s the harm in trying to learn the new position?
Typo. Berman instead of bregman
Only 8 more yearssssss!!!!
He’s getting paid $30 million a year?
Show me how you’re being treated unfairly, Raffy.
“First base is(n’t) the moon to him.” Philip Seymour Hoffman (RIP) as Art Howe
Put him in the lineup at first and if he refuses to play suspend him without pay.
The phrase “clubhouse cancer” comes to mind.
Wow what a POS teammate. Got to imagine a lot of the guys in there lost some respect for him
If you decide to trade him which teams will have interest? I’m sure lots of teams like the bat but not glove and he doesn’t appear to be a team player.
I thought that players were paid to play baseball and to act professionally. I also thought that management determined where the player would be positioned to help the team perform better. In this situation I can understand if management is considering an attempt to move a malcontent to another team. It would be appropriate.
I know that the Red Sox are doing *okay* this year, all things considered, but if you look at their history under Cora, their record under him does not really justify his continued employment.
Its been 7 years since he earned his level of arrogance…
Considering how much Yankee fans hate on Boone as we maintain our competitiveness, get into the post season, go to the World Series, etc. how is it that Cora gets a blank cheque of trust and loyalty from Red Sox Nation and the Front Office?
Is he untouchable? Have the Red Sox ownership / front office brain trust decided that they’ll be loyal to Cora no matter what, forever?
At what point does the sword fall on Cora, after years of him actually generating relatively mediocre results?
Sox fan here. Agreed. Cora needs to go.
Glad the fans’ love affair with him is finally coming to an end. I’ve never respected him and always found him to be arrogant to a fault.
What would happen if John Henry or Tom Werner asked Cora nicely to do something in the best interest of the team, but Cora said he didn’t want to do it because it would hurt his ego.
Then they said that he had to do it. What would Cora do then? If he refused what do you think would happen to Cora?
Either nothing, or, whatever dirt cora has on the organization/execs goes public.
Yeah I seriously wonder if that’s what is going on.
Their loyalty to Cora and his seemingly completely content/at ease in his job/position no matter the actual season in-season out results is very suspicious.
It’s already been talked about that Cora will be their GM at some point. Boston fans had better get used to malcontents and 74-88 seasons.
Ship him off to the Cubs for good prospects, they have some.
Wow. ..and that was WITH the translator making everything more palatable. I’m sure his attitude is super angry and combative if that’s what he said through the translator. Cant really just trade him. He is too good.
While we all are not sports stars here I think we all need to remember this is a job to them just like our own jobs. However they get PAID. Devers is locked in on a major contract and now is basically refusing to do what’s needed for the team. Casas was struggling mightily at the plate and the superstar on the team basically said nope, I’m a DH now. If we all came into our jobs tomorrow and our boss said to us hey, so and so is going to be out for an extended period of time so we are all going to have to pick up the slack and we said nope not doing it, like Devers in the case, we would be fired. They would find someone else. I understand the team paid for Bregman to take his spot but that’s what was best for the team, Devers is not a great defender and Bregman is a major addition to the lineup. But Devers was a baby about that and once again when the team needs him to step up to make the team better he’s unwilling to do so. Not what you need from your highest paid player. I’m a Sox fan and while I love Devers I love a team first guy more. Him moving to first allows us to bring Yoshida up and have him DH or idk maybe one of our budding stars? Devers can’t even argue that he’s better suited as a DH, him focusing on being a sole DH making 300+ million he should be setting the world on fire and he’s not even close to doing that. Not pleased
He’d be absolutely crucified in the media in the pre 2011-ish era when unwritten rules and codes were still a thing. Now? I think he sounds like everyone else. No one will have a problem with this I don’t think. Not *in* baseball.
Mookie Betts reading this with his whole fist in his mouth like “wut?”
He needs to take lessons from Mookie on how to be a team leader and play wherever there’s a need.
Why not put Yoshida there?He is supposedly bad defensively as Devers is.Neither have played first.Both can hit.Devers could stay at DH.You only insert Yoshida until Casas is back or you get a new 1st Baseman.While Yoshida can’t play the outfield,he could play at first to use his contract.I don’t blame Devers at all.If i was told something by management then they constant changed their mind.I would be pissed.
Yoshida is 5’8″ and too short to play 1B.
Yoshida cannot throw. They just announced that his throwing program had been halted because of continuing pain. He can hit but not throw at all.
The more I think about this, the worse it appears. If Devers actually agreed to do this they could bring up Anthony to DH and play some OF on a rotational basis and get him going in the bigs. With Devers refusing to move, you have no where to put Anthony so is unable to get regular reps at MLB level.
This is an incredibly selfish stance by Devers. What a turd.
Of course Bregman continues to not only rake but play a stellar 3B making Devers look like a complete goon all the while justifying the massive yearly salary they gave him.
Can Devers make an open three-pointer? If so, the Celtics have an immediate need for his services.
481 comments and 300 of them miss the point. Devers doesn’t have a choice where the Red Sox choose to play him. Most players, even highly paid star players, are not asked if they will play a position, they are told they will be playing that position. The team makes the decision on what is best for the team, not the player.
if he cranks 40 home runs the bitching will stop regardless if he is at 1st, 3rd, or DH. we want to win and that’s the only thing that matters. If we where 25-13 like the Dodgers this wouldn’t be an issue at all.
Right, and having him play 1B would help them win more games being that there two best prospects are a very good defensive SS and a solid OF that shouldn’t be wasted at 1B.
I’m not sure $31M a year is worth it for a 3-4 WAR DH who now won’t attempt to play any new position. I guess this is why player personality is important in contract negotiations, you might end up with a guy like this where he’ll need to be an elite hitter for the next several years for this contract to work out for the Sox.
Devers is one of the worst third baseman of my lifetime and challenges the likes of Guerrero, Bonilla, and Encarnacion, all of whom were ripped off their position after establishing a terrible track record. All of the above went on to have passable careers playing elsewhere. It can also be said that each was as good or better than Devers as hitters.
I have been very clear on my position involving Devers for his entire career and have made literally dozens of posts on the topic on MLB Trade Rumors. The only glove he should have ever owned was a first baseman mitt, and even that is up for debate. Of the three players the Red Sox dealt with for resigning the last few seasons in Betts, Bogaerts, and Devers he was easily the least desirable to keep on a mega deal. I say this with hindsight knowing Bogaerts’ deal with San Diego is aging horribly. It doesn’t change the fact that Bogaerts at least had defensive value as a potential third baseman, or a solution to the second base black hole in Boston. Devers was either a DH or going to block our top prospect at the time in Casas.
I would like to think many great players in the league would desire to win and help the team win so they can experience success. I had no expectation that Devers would be one of them. Betts, a far better player in every single aspect of the game has been more than willing, several times, to help his team and switch positions anytime he is needed. Devers to first base solves the DH problem with Yoshida, the outfield problem with subtracting Yoshida from the mix, and adds the possibility to add another of their prized prospects to the roster, right now. Lastly, not a single player the Red Sox have on their roster that they have asked to play first, or is willing to play first, is actually a first baseman. They are all doing precisely the same thing Devers is unwilling to do.
Just an aside, but no team is going to take him off our hands unless the deal is completely lopsided (worse than the Betts deal). He just tanked his value, further hurting the team if he wants out. No one is beating the door down for a mid 20-year-old terrible fielder, that puts team last and is a distraction. It sounds harsh, but compare him to the couple of dozen far better players in the league who have made positional changes solely to help the team.
Id ship his a$$ to Colorado ASAP. Way to not be a team player and way to voice your displeasure in public. What a jerk.
Rafael Devers Unwilling To Play First Base
Tomorrow. Next week. Ever? He didn’t say that.
You want him to say yes? Really? Just go out there and play first base? You’ve got to be kidding me.
As usual, all media nonsense. Play ball!
Hate on devers all you want he is your franchise and the way he’s been treated as such you gotta trade him
Yeah the 95 million dollars they’ve paid him and 254 million still to go showed just how poorly they treat him. It was awful when they had him move from 3B, where he was terrible to DH after a very good defensive 3B was signed. It was almost too much to watch. Horrifying really.
He is your franchise. If he is not show this man the door vs the disrespect they give him in that regard.
Cause now devers looks like a Premadonna
Casas is done for the season and last I checked none of those high end prospects wanna be team guys either and get to 1b to start service time.
This is a two way street but if the relationship between player and front office is publicly toxic you need to move on from it to be a healthy clubhouse.
I don’t blame devers though but he’s not exactly innocent here either but he is absolutely over it rightfully.
First off, having a terrible 3B move to DH isn’t disrespectful to him. It’s RESPECTFUL to the TEAM. The team is better off with him not at 3B. Now with Casas hurt, the team is better off with Devers at 1B.
Devers is making himself out to be a premadonna, not the team.
I’d bet either of those guys would gladly play 1B to start service time. I don’t think I’ve read anything that suggests Boston wants them at 1B. The difference is it doesn’t make sense for them to play 1B. Playing Devers at first makes sense. If he wanted to be a career 3B maybe he could have worked to improve on the defensive side of the ball. He struggles defensively, especially throwing, so move him to a spot that doesn’t hurt the team as much.
How you view a baseball player not doing what’s asked of him while being paid what he is, I don’t even know how respond to. Today’s society I guess. Devers is more special than the team.
Devers ain’t a great 3b at all but the bat is elite no question. It’s why he ain’t getting traded period. Let’s get real.
I’ve gotta think signing 10 years at 300+ yea he got that guarantee to be your 3b. Now he’s a dh now he’s a 1b. Whats next catching and closing?
You pay a man that much you treat him with respect and he’ll be a good little toy soldier for you. Dont yea Boston deserves this.
You can ask your franchise player to be a team player absolutely but to disrespect him w bregman. Yea I’d be over Boston faster than the tea party.
Let’s not forget how Boston’s treated Casas extension either vs say a Bello one. But again he did bet on himself lost but it was the right call.
Devers got signed as 3b he’s lead to believe he’s locked in to that position on his contract. He is a ball player on your team but there’s major discourse between all 4 parties In himself agent management and ownership.
Do you go to 1b to help the team sure. But you’ve designated him as a dh and he’s accepted that. As far as he’s concerned go trade for Andres chapparo and take chances guys.
But again baseball is business. Devers and Boston know this. If they need a bat or a 1b glove I suggest making a phone call or a trade because today you have a miserable disrespected superstar your asking for favors here whose done his assignment and he could care less rightfully and respectfully.
It’s not about being asked vs what’s black and white and signed in stone.
If Boston doesn’t like that hate devers all you what and be done with him. This isn’t an arod/jeter thing where he’s coming into an environment and should. Devers is established he’s cornerstone and if you wanna disrespect a man and still expect production and pay all he’s gotta do is get in a batters box and watch fastballs down the middle and yawn at balls and strikes.
This is dangerous stuff. You play the hand you demanded or you wash them and be done with it.
You are not a,franchise player if you are 28 years old and can’t field or run the bases.
Then you don’t give a guy 300 million and say he isn’t? They need to trade him it’s beyond toxic stuff.
Rafael Devers is just real life Roger Dorn.
Employer-Boston Red Sox
Employee-Rafa Devers
Employer-‘Would you be willing to give this job a go’?
Employee-‘No, I am not doing that job’.
Sorry, this reeks of entitlement if ever I heard it. I like Devers, but he’s dancing around like a prima donna.
Devers should say I’ll give it my best shot, I’ll do anything to help the team, but in today’s society his decision and attitude are reflective of what goes on.
The had team players. Mookie , Bogey. Push them out and keep Devers . What you expect
This kind of thing makes it hard to enjoy watching professional sports.
Bo Sox have paid the man 93 million to this point and are paying him another 254 million throughout the remainder of his contract. Anyone arguing that he is being asked too much is insane.
I don’t care if they walked in and told him he’s a pitcher now, learn the spot they want or in this case need to play you.
Guaranteed contracts need to go away.
it’s even worse you aren’t counting his salary from the rest of this years games over 20 mil
Devers=Ahole..
He uses a translator because he’s too busy sucking his thumb. Prima donna. Dump him in November.
LOL @ both Devers and fans asking for a trade
He’s owed $277,263,346 and 8 more years
The Sox will probably wait at least to see if Bregman opts out for next year to dump that much. It’s a disgusting waste but the Sox have done some shocking salary dumps and other moves just maybe not this big.
More likely the Sox trade Bregman to make whiny Devers happy than get rid of the problem. Teams will actually want Alex.
He is taking his cues from the NBA and NFL
Probably not in line for a Standing-O the next time he comes to bat! Making all that money and refuses to play 1B? My kinda teammate. Spoiled, petulant brat. .
Damn, remember when Jeff Bagwell was asked to switch from 3B to 1B? How’d that turn out?
$38.5 million for Nick Giolito.
Worthless team cancer
This is on Breslow. Part of your job as POBO is preventing clickbait firestorms. Chris Cotillo started the whole “I am a 3B” bulls***. The reality is it was lost in translation for someone who is still learning a second language, and that second language is by far the most difficult to learn, and that the team’s Upper Management never bothered even texting him their plan. After that, Devers is now saying “He should talk to the players. All of this is news to me. Why am I finding out what my boss’ plans are from the media?”
Breslow started the fire,
It started burnin’
when he didn’t do his job
#Remix
Nothing was lost in translation. This is 100% on Devers. No one else. Shut up and play ball wherever the team pays you to play. “Si, claro”
You DIDN’T find out from the media, you found out from DEVERS.
So happy this is a red sawk issue. Full time DH like Arod was, Stanton is, Soto will soon be and Devers is not a good way to build a team. You need the DH spot available to mix and match based on defense alignments, resting players, etc…
The Sawx should definitely try to move him. The Dodgers and Mets will definitely take on more money.
Brett Baty and a fringe prospect for Devers contract or maybe the Dodgers for a few decent prospects?
Not sure it’s an issue anywhere except online. Both sides may have already moved on. The media will probably keep writing about it to get clicks.
It was enough of an issue for Henry, Kennedy, and Breslow to fly out for a sitdown with Devers in KC. Hopefully that helped to clear the air.
I’m guessing they decided to visit him after hearing Devers’ comment that he thinks Breslow has an issue with him.
Ya think?
It’s unfortunate. I think Breslow’s motivation is to field the best team possible, not to pick on Devers.
Of course. Which is why Devers” response was wholly inappropriate. As an adult, sit down and talk with people, don’t pout and vomit venom to the press.
Some blowback should be expected when you break a promise to a player. It happened and hopefully they all move on.
You are excusing what is fundamentally inexcusable behavior. You wouldn’t accept that kind of behavior from your son, you wouldn’t accept it from a teammate, and you wouldn’t accept it from a co-worker.
Breslow is not the one who made that promise, and Devers’ personal attack on Breslow was completely inappropriate.
Hopefully this has been a learning experience from Devers, and he finally grows up. He is 28, for God’s sake, not 8. I would be shocked by that kind of behavior from somebody who was 18.
The Red Sox organization made the promise to Devers. It should be honored. I fight wrongdoing at work and help my co-workers fight it. You have no idea about what I would do. If the Red Sox didn’t wrong Devers, I would agree with you.
He could have talked about the organization, without getting personal about Breslow. I’m going to have to disagree with you on that one.
Will also note that only a really messed up front office would make that kind of promise to a defensively challenged player. I know he looked a little better in 2022, but that improvement didn’t last long and by last year it was obvious that he needed to move.
I agree they shouldn’t have made the promise. What do you mean you mean “getting personal” with Breslow? What did he say that was so horrible?
Telling Breslow to “do his job”? That’s pretty direct, and not something I could ever imagine saying to a supervisor that I respected.
Maybe you are saying that it is no big deal if players don’t respect their GM? Except that would be pretty rich when the player is complaining about a lack of respect from the organization. It is a two way street.
Nothing I’ve heard from or about Breslow indicates to me a lack of respect for Devers. It is about time for Devers to return that respect, and work towards repairing the organization that Bloom left in shambles.
Breslow most likely was labeled as the one who was not keeping the promise to keep Devers at at 3B. So, Breslow broke the promise and now Breslow wants him to learn a new position in the middle of the season. I’m guessing he thinks Breslow doesn’t care about him so he doesn’t care about Breslow. Hopefully, they cleared things up.
Yes, I suspect that was Devers’ narrative. The problem is that it is a grossly immature narrative and unfair to Breslow who is just trying to put together a winning team. Breslow never made any promises and thus Breslow can’t be held responsible for breaking them. Blame Bloom, if you want, who made a promise which could not be kept.
I hope that they’ve cleared the air at this point,
I think it is unfair to say Breslow didn’t make the promise so he can do whatever he wants. A representative of the organization made a promise. I think it is unethical for an organization to not keep the promises that it makes.
Maybe, but at the same time Breslow’s primary responsibility is to put together a winning team. If that flies in the face of promises made by his predecessor, it is a tough dilemma.
No denying that the Red Sox have been a dysfunctional organization since DD left. And Kennedy is still in charge, and still a big part of the problem.
Ultimately Kennedy or Henry could have overruled Breslow on acquiring a 3B. They have a lot more to answer for than Breslow himself.
It is also unclear how the promise was phrased. “We see you as the Red Sox 3B,” is a very different promise than, “We promise you will play 3B for the lifetime of the contract.”
Devers, like Bogaerts, improved his defense significantly in 2022. He was in great shape and playing solid defense. But he gained weight over the subsequent two years, struggled to make the routine plays, and got to the point that he was injuring himself trying to field. I can almost understand why somebody looking at Devers might see 5-6 years more lifetime at 3B, but by 2024 the narrative had shifted to, “Has he moved yet?”
There was no realistic way that the Red Sox could continue playing him at 3B, promise or no promise. Not if they wished to contend.
I agree it is a tough dilemma. I also don’t like Kennedy. I think Breslow has final say on baseball moves. I am guessing this because Kennedy was saying he was bugging Breslow about bringing up Anthony.
Kennedy or Henry could overrule Breslow, but they would need good reason to do so. And frankly, the farther that Kennedy stays away from the baseball operations, the happier I am.
Yeah. I wish we could get the exact wording of the promise.
I would just as well not know. Whatever was said back then, they need to pull together for the good of the team. It is hard enough to win in this game even if you don’t handicap yourself with unnecessary constraints.
Devers is having a really nice game, and against a LHP too.
Suit, with your penchant for sources, can you identify *exactly* what promise the red Sox thought they were making, and, *exactly* what promise Devers thought he was getting, and, *exactly* how accurately the translator was keeping both crystal clear in the process?
Verifiable no ambiguity no assumptions or paraphrasing type sources.
There’s all this to-do about a promise, and, honestly we don’t know if there even was one
We have Rafael Devers account:
“That was definitely was discussed when I signed, that I would be playing this position for a long time,” Devers said. “I don’t know what caused the change. I know I’ve worked really hard on my defense throughout the years. I feel that last year, I had a really good year. I still have a lot more to give. I definitely feel like last year was really good. I hope to continue doing it. It was definitely a surprise. I’m somebody that believes in people’s word. I take it to heart. It was very surprising they’d suggest that.”
masslive.com/redsox/2025/02/rafael-devers-says-he-…
Cora acknowledged it happened:
Asked about Devers being told he’d be at third base for a long time when he signed his extension, Cora said “different leadership. That was under Chaim. He’s in St. Louis now.”
x.com/jcmccaffrey/status/1891549354311184739
masslive.com/redsox/2025/02/alex-cora-red-sox-have…
But that doesn’t explain exactly what it was…
For example:
Devers interpreter asks bloom: will he stay at 3B.
Bloom says: I don’t see any reason to be moving Devers anytime soon.
Interpreter tells devers: you get to stay at 3B.
Very different from a guarantee from the front office you don’t move.
Likewise, you can work as hard as you want at something, but if you’re not good at it, you’ve got to acknowledge effort isn’t enough, it’s results that count.
The only thing I’ve seen is some amorphous something, but, nothing saying what Devers was promised. Just what Devers *thinks* he was promised, backed up not by results, but by the effort Devers feels he put in.
If bloom wasn’t in StL maybe he would’ve commented on exactly what he said, but, I don’t see that happening for years or decades until some book someday.
I honestly think something was lost in translation somewhere, and, I can almost guarantee breslow was 100% clueless anyone ever discussed anything about the subject till after bregman was signed and Raffy began to sulk
Unfortunately it wasn’t written down, but Devers said he was told he would be playing 3B for a long time.
And that’s the rub suit…
Because I highly doubt bloom or Henry were speaking in Spanish at the time, and likewise, Devers wasn’t speaking in English.
So you got… something. You don’t know what it was because only one party is claiming what their understanding was, *after* a third party had already translated it between languages for his consumption which almost certainly would would’ve involved paraphrasing verbiage and such.
And, as you say, if nothing about it was written down anywhere… how would a new PBO coming in, or a new GM, even know the ins and outs of it?
I’ve got to default that if it was *that* important it needed to be insisted it was on paper somewhere, and, the fault of that lies with devers’ agent, and, perhaps to a degree Devers himself when he reviewed what his agent gave him.
Don’t you think?
I think Devers trusted whoever said he would be playing 3B for a long time. I would probably do the same thing and not have it written down. It looks like the Red Sox gave Devers a long-term vision of playing 3B and then took it away. It looks like they then gave him a long-term vision of being DH, telling him to put his glove away. Now they they are trying to change that and he is saying WTF! So, it looks like they they give him long-term plans and then change them which is bad leadership. It would have been better if Devers kept his comments private, but I don’t think he has ever done that. I want this to blow over and he stays at DH. I want to see what kind of year he has with healthy shoulders.
That’s the point that I begin to suspect that these “long-term visions” are entirely in his own head. Breslow never promised him that he would be a DH for life!!!
It is best for the team if Devers makes the move to 1B. Casas is developing an extensive injury history to the point that he may never have a meaningful career. Nor are their any clear alternatives in the minors.
It ultimately comes down to whether Devers wants to do what is best for the team, or stand on some imagined promise.
I would lean toward he imagined it if Cora didn’t confirm it.
Really all Cora said was whatever bloom told Raffy was by someone not here anymore. Could be a flippant manner of being dismissive without being knowledgeable about particulars – kinda like it doesn’t matter what bloom promised, blooms not here. Isn’t saying what bloom said, if anything, just saying that would be prior management
Somehow Raffy got third base and long time into his head. It’s my opinion after looking at all this that he did not make it up and someone told him that. If Cora would have said something like, “I have no idea what they told Raffy when he signed.” then I might doubt Raffy.
If he had not gained weight and allowed his defense to slide, then he might have a point.
As it is, things change, and by last year it was clear that the team needed a change. Foolish promises don’t change that.
I guess it comes down to whether or not you think it’s ok to break a promise. If you thinks it’s ok, you blame Devers. If you think it’s not ok, you blame the Red Sox and don’t fault Devers for giving them crap back.
I doubt even Bloom thought that he was making a promise “come hell or high water”. Or in this case, a promise that would continue even in the face of weight gain, increasing defensive struggles, and injuries… But who knows? Bloom did a lot of strange stuff. Neither you nor I know precisely what was promised, or what conditions were implied by that “promise”.
Ultimately I don’t see any point in “blaming” anybody except Bloom, who had no business making that kind of a promise in the first place.. (And I blame Bloom for enough anyways that this doesn’t really move the needle.) Everybody else involved is just trying to do their job.
If you clear the air and stop trying to assign blame, what we are left with is very simple. It would be good for the team, both this year and in the future, if Devers is willing to play 1B. Either he is willing to do this to help the team win or he isn’t willing to do this to help the team win. Nothing that was said or done in the past changes that fact.
Neither you nor I know precisely what was promised, or what conditions were implied by that “promise”
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I have no reason to doubt Devers. Cora didn’t say Devers was incorrect at all. He only said it happened under Bloom.
Cora didn’t say it was correct either…
In any case, I’ve never blamed Devers for being upset about it. Expressing his discontent to the media, as he did, rather than sitting down with management privately, was NOT the right way to handle it and only made Devers look bad.
The good part is that having finally sat down with management to talk, he seems to have that elephant off his chest. A couple remarkable games, hitting the way he can when he is at his best.
I still believe it makes sense for the team, and for Devers as part of that team, for him to eventually pick up 1B. But management has already made it clear that it will happen when Devers is comfortable with the idea. He will not be ordered to do so. That is a sign of their respect for him.
So all’s well that ends well?
Note that Jansen also accused the Bloom front office of breaking promises. Bloom was a good talent evaluator but a terrible GM.
Agreed it looks like it will end well. However, I think it is pretty clear the promise/agreement was made. Cora said “That was under Chaim.” when asked about Devers being told he’d be at third base for a long time when he signed his extension (see above link). That is confirmation as Cora was asked about a specific agreement and he said that was under Chaim. Looks like we will disagree about this.
Yes, we will have to disagree. I don’t feel that we know the context or the wording of the promise. I agree with you that there was some suggestion or promise that Devers would remain at 3B, but I could imagine a variety of possible wordings with different implications — and working through a translator I have absolutely zero confidence that any nuances would be communicated clearly.
Regardless of all the above, I could easily imagine Bloom making a hard promise to get the signature on the bottom line and then immediately disregarding that. After all, that’s basically what he did with Jansen when he promised that they would put together a competitive club. He made no real attempt to put together a competitive roster in either of the two seasons Jansen was with the team.
Unwilling to improve and unwilling to move. This dude is not a team player whatsoever. I cannot believe they picked this bozo instead of Betts.
Betts wanted nothing to do with Boston nothing anyone could do about that. Unless you can change Bostons weather and put it on a west coast beach, then he might’ve stayed.
Yeah and that’s fair. They still shouldn’t have paid Devers imo
He’s taking one for the team! (“One” = his massive check), The best position for him is “left out.” Who is his agent? Someone has to tell him about “gratitude” to play a little kids game as an adult and be paid for it. Attitudes like this are toxic to the clubhouse.
I think that should say “spring” training, not break training. Someone translated that in an odd way.
Devers and douchebag both start with D. Coincidence? I think not. Be a team player a**hole.
MLBTR unwilling to hire an editor. Just like that and I can flip the script on the “writers” here on this website.
See what I did there?
@Yanks4life22
The first sentence, “MLBTR unwilling to hire an editor,” lacks a verb to make it a complete sentence. It reads as a headline or a fragment rather than a full statement. A grammatically correct version would be: “MLBTR is unwilling to hire an editor.”
Suggested Fix: “MLBTR seems unwilling to hire an editor.”
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The phrase “Just like that and I can flip the script” contains an unclear reference for “that.” It’s not immediately obvious what “that” refers to (the article’s title, Devers’ stance, or something else). This vagueness weakens the sentence’s clarity.
Suggested Fix: “With a simple twist, I can flip the script on the writers here.”
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The phrase “Just like that and I can flip the script” would benefit from a comma after “that” to separate the introductory clause and improve readability: “Just like that, and I can flip the script.”
Suggested Fix: “Just like that, I can flip the script on the writers here.”
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The word “writers” is placed in quotation marks, which could imply sarcasm or question their legitimacy as writers. However, without context, this usage feels unnecessary or overly snarky, potentially alienating readers who don’t share the commenter’s perspective.
Suggested Fix: Remove the quotation marks unless the intent is to explicitly mock the writers’ credentials, and even then, clarify the reasoning.
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Here’s a revised version incorporating the above suggestions:
“MLBTR’s headline about Devers’ refusal to play first base is catchy, but their articles could use an editor. For example, the typo in Triston Casas’ name in paragraph three is distracting. If Devers can’t switch positions, maybe MLBTR can at least switch to better proofreading.”
Maybe they should hire you. You’re pretty spot on TBH.
And if I might be so bold I have a feeling the errors bother you too with the ability to recognize my errors instantaneously!
Left some nuggets all over that one for you too lol. But come on you know it bothers you as well.
@Yanks4life22
Honestly, MLBTR is a decent site but not some multibillion dollar enterprise. If you are that concerned about it, maybe invest in their membership to help them bring in more income and they might end up hiring an editor. It’s a free website offering baseball news so I can’t really complain about it too much. If I was paying a lot of money to subscribe to it, I’d probably expect more.
Sounds like he’s just being a baby.
Devers and cash for Bohm?
Philly – More like Devers for Trea.
I would consider that, but y’all would be in the same position with Trea that you’re in with Devers.
phillies – Not really, Trea can play SS/2B/CF.
Sure he’s an offensive downgrade, but maybe a change of scenery will spark his offense like it did for Bregman.
Spark Turner’s offense? Do you see his batting average? No thanks… Devers and Cash for Bohm and he can play first base for the Sox
Never knew there were this many Devers -ogists in the wilds.. Crazy
The only take is team players do whatever is necessary for their team.
Got a spite-agenda? Take a hike!
Not even a Sox fan but this guy looks like someone who’s starting to give too much headaches for what is worth. I mean he is a great hitter but not a great defender and its not like he pushed them to 3 WS or has 3 MVPs titles on his belt.
And this response is pure childish, “you wanted me to just hit right, then its what im gonna do…”.
I mean, in that sense Guerrero, p.e, had a much mature response, gave it a shot there and i would say it worked great for both.
Although if it goes as the saga of him turning to a DH, he will end up playing there anyway… but not a great image he is building for himself. Throwing a tantrum once it can slide, doing it everytime things dont go your way, not so much
Great attitude. Don’t win with guys like this
Not a role model for sure. But I thought Americans are known for individualism.
Nobody on earth is going to ask him to play outfield.
Fineeeee. The Padres will take this cancer off of your hands. And, lucky for you, we’ll give back a true clubhouse leader in Xander Bogaerts. I know, I know, we’re an incredibly kind and generous franchise over here in San Diego.
It’s so close to lining up if only X didn’t have the NTC…
Not happening. Padres have Sheets who is a team player and has a wRC+ and OPS that is higher than Devers.
Devers is also the antithesis or Shildt’s philosophy. The Padres will never trade for Devers.
Devers is not a cancer hes just being a bit of a drama queen and coming off as selfish and entitled…bottom line you dont trade a player like devers people can say whatever at the end of the day through all his comments etc hes shown up every day and done what has been asked.
Except for playing first base.
True lol but he said the same thing about dh..hes being a drama queen and may still do it.
He moved to DH because someone told him the reality of the situation. He doesn’t have a choice. He plays where they tell him or they put him on the restricted list and he doesn’t get paid.
The Sox ,Breslow, should have had a adequate backup 1st base plan in case the oft injured Casas went down again. But Devers refusal to play 1st is selfish act. I was hoping he would go to Cora and offer his services to play 1st. Not sure he understands the ramifications of his stance on this situation. How he will be perceived in the clubhouse. I don’t know how you can trade him with 8 years remaining on a $331 million contract as well as being a malcontent. This situation sucks. Maybe it was not handled ideally by the Sox brass,but refusing to help the team in a desperate spot is terrible.
Check out Cotillo’s comment on X. Several players were “listening intently” and their off-the-record comments were “not positive” on Devers.
You can bet Bregman would move to 1B if asked. Except that there is no reason to ask him, because he is actually good defensively at 3B.
“Not positive” tells us nothing. It is manipulative. They are hoping you assume not positive = negative which it may not be.
These are the beat writers (actually posts on X by two different reporters). What exactly are they trying to manipulate here? I think you are grasping at straws there, especially since I know what my reaction would be if a team member chose to go public with their refusal to take on a role for the good of a team.
Not that it ended there, either, he really dragged Breslow in that interview, for having the temerity to ask if Devers would be willing to learn 1B.
I realize that Devers is upset and that he has some reason to be upset, but airing his dirty laundry like that was completely inappropriate. Sit down with management and hash it out like a mature adult. He’s no longer a teenager.
They are not telling you what is going on. They are telling you what is not going on. Why do that? It seems deceptive. Maybe deceptive is a better way to describe it instead of manipulative. “Not positive” is certainly intentionally vague. Why be intentionally vague? I don’t see a reason to be intentionally vague unless you are trying to deceive.
The comments were overheard in the clubhouse, not on the record, so they couldn’t be specific or offer quotes. That is why they were intentionally vague.
I don’t see any need for being as vague as they were unless they were being deceptive. Surely they could have said something more definitive than “not positive”. Why didn’t they say negative or unsupportive or mixed or neutral?
I think you are reading too much into word choice…
It’s possible, but word choice is very important. It is not informative to say what something is not. I want to know what it is.
Adequate is something they have in Gonzalez and toro. Devers is a better hitter than both. Devers should have just shut up and moved to 1B.
Devers is all about the team
-said no one ever
The landscape is littered with ballplayers who could not play first base well at all. What makes ANYONE think that Devers should play there? Lots of players switch positions, many of them are not any good at all defensively at their “new” position. George Scott played third base. Are you kidding me? He stunk there. Kyle Schwarber played first base. He stunk there. Mike Piazza at first base, terrible. Mike Squires played third base, kind of a novelty trick because he was a lefty. Frankly, Devers should at least try to take some grounders and just give it a feel for few days. But put him there? Absolutely NOT!
Send him to AAA to learn how to play 1B and bring up Anthony as a DH. Then find a scrap heap 1B until Devers has had enough of AAA.
You all say that now but when Alex opts out then they will ask him to play third.. he can say what he says because the team did say they want him to DH and now they want him to play 1st because of injuries and there lack of dept that on the team not him..
Devers will never play 3B again. He is that bad and the Red Sox have not one, but two good, young, and really cheap options.
I can appreciate a player who exudes self confidence and believes in his abilities but also knows that same thinking that player should not think that he could not be replaced by a player who exhibits better abilities than his own and thus loses his position because of that. He is putting his personal importance ahead of the teams importance. The last time I looked there are 9 players on the field at any given time and 26 active players on the game roster. His defense hasn’t been his strongest attribute and the team signed a player who is one of the best at his same position. Denver’s batting skills are worthy of being the lineup however his glove skills are being replaced.
He is blaming the GM for his own shortcomings at his position and refuses to try another position to help the team. Truthfully he should be traded if anyone would want him. There are probably plenty of talented prospects within the Red Sox organization who would give anything to be in his shoes and be 100% committed to play another position for the team. Yeah he maybe a popular player but look the Red Sox traded Mookie Betts and I would argue he was actually far more popular than Devers.
They moved Devers, he didn’t like it, but now he’s hitting, DHing..
Just leave him alone or trade him at the deadline if it makes sense.
This team doesn’t need more of this controversy and he’d never be Keith Hernandez at 1B anyway.
Move along.
I would look to trade him at the deadline. Cut your losses now. I have a feeling the guy will be a Cancer in the clubhouse. His fielding generally stinks anyway. Move him out and I doubt he will age well anyway.
No one is trading for that contract.
What a disaster of an extension this is turning out to be… wow. Truly impressive comments.
Gotta love a good team player. Oh wait!!
for ALL the comments about “trade him or send him to AAA”. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN TO A GUY IN THE 2ND YEAR OF A $313m CONTRACT?????? it doednt happen.-PERIOD>
I see why he doesn’t talk with the media! This has blown up like last time he spoke…..side note please bring up Mayer for Story and send Hamilton down. Story needs to bounce around the infield in Utility position for now. Anthony’s path needs a trade and thats going to be a tough trade unless someone gets hurt
The Red Sox remain on the hook to him for another quarter of a billion dollars or so after this year. He can step out of his comfort zone to earn it if that’s what they need.
Tony 2 Chainz on line 1.
Invoke Breach of Contract
Void the contract and release Devers. Some other idiot like Steve Cohen will sign him. The Red Sox would be better off without Devers, period.
Go Team!
So the boss asked an employee if he would be willing to switch from the job he was hired for and was performing at least adequately, to a completely different job with the same company. After weighing pros and cons the employee tells his boss he doesn’t think he’d be an asset in the new position and he is happy where he is at.
If it ended there, like it probably should have, there’s no issue. Theres no harm in the team asking and its his prerogative if he says no. Instead the boss went out and hired someone that excels at the exact same job as the first employee trying the up the pressure on him to switch to a new job he quite possible would perform horribly at……Seems pretty dang shady to me
What a pathetic organization. Devers not only refusing a position change but tells the organization to go out and find a another player? No fine ? No suspension? Laughable.
What exactly would you like the Red Sox to fine and suspend him for? Being stubborn? Yeah, have fun with the MLB PA.
mlb-1 I was giving my opinion, sadly this marginal talent, overpaid by a patheticly run pretender organization is as inept as your knucklehead comment.
Like any employer, the team doesn’t have to ask. It’s not the employee’s choice. He cannot turn down the move if he wants to continue to get paid.
Billy Beane: We want you to play 1st base for the Oakland A’s.
Scott Hatteberg: OK, well, I’ve only ever played catcher.
Billy Beane: Scott, you’re not a catcher any more. If you were our call wouldn’t be the only one you got when your contract expired.
Scott Hatteberg: Yeah, hey, listen, no I, I appreciate it.
Billy Beane: You’re welcome.
Scott Hatteberg: But the thing, thing is is that…
Billy Beane: You don’t know how to play 1st base. Scott…
Scott Hatteberg: That’s right.
Billy Beane: It’s not that hard, Scott. Tell him Wash.
Ron Washington: It’s incredibly hard.
Scott Hatteberg: What about the fans?
Ron Washington: Yeah, maybe I can teach one of them.
Neither you or nor I can predict how good or bad Devers would be at playing first base because we’ve never seen him do it (and apparently never will), but it’s not outrageous to wonder. As far as the soft skills needed to play the position, Devers is an experienced corner infielder whose glove work has always surpassed his throwing ability. In other words, the parts of 3B that he was good at *should* translate well to a 1B setting. They’re in a situation where there’s a roster logjam at basically every position except 1B and C. It’s a no-brainer to at least kick the tires on his willingness to try it out, and his response to that request (publicizing his distaste with Breslow) has been disproportionate and unprofessional.
I’m strongly for players’ rights and have vastly sided with the union when they’ve advocated for more control over the terms of their contracts; even when the conflict is between multi-millionaire employees and multi-billionaire executives, I’m siding with the littler man every time. This, in my opinion, is not a players’ rights issue. They didn’t ask Devers to do *more* when they asked him to DH, they asked him to do *less.* There’s no comparable workplace scenario in which an employee would feel slighted by their employer for being given the same amount of money to handle fewer responsibilities. And the request to learn 1B is being made under extenuating circumstances; it’s not as though this is how Breslow drew things up. Workplace responsibilities routinely shift around based on the needs of the employer. And let’s all remember that it’s not like he’s being asked to do something unpleasant— in fact, he’s been presented with an opportunity to get back on the field, which was something he was reluctant to relinquish two months ago in the first place. Baffles me that people are trying to turn his petulance into some kind of based defense of labor rights.
A lot of people are viewing this only in terms of money. This is a competitive player in his prime; he cares about his legacy and feels disrespected by the new FO reneging on the prior regime’s promise and going heavy-handed on the approach to moving him off of 3B. I’m a control freak at work: I hate when management upends my workflow for any reason. I’ve had system rollouts taken back within weeks of implementation because they were poorly thought out by people who don’t have to work with them; there’s a tremendous amount of inefficiency spent learning and fixing these new workflows. Sure, there’s a big difference between an average 9-5 and an MLB roster, but I think Boston’s FO is just communicating poorly or assuming Devers will roll over to their demands. He is being petulant, in my opinion, but understandably so. The contract he agreed to just last year is already being tested.
I am sympathetic to Devers for feeling annoyed and even somewhat slighted by the ways he was misled upon signing the contract— in a sense, and this is funny, the real culprit here might be Bloom for making a promise he knew full well he might not be around to keep. Hard to say how much Henry & Co. were involved in those negotiations or those promises. Either way, it seems clear to me that a) it’s not Breslow’s fault, by any stretch, and b) Devers’ reaction to the injury to Casas is a very different situation than his reaction to shifting off of 3B earlier in the season. His frustration then was, I think, more justifiable, although I think I personally would not have responded the way he did; he was, after all, being asked to give up something he had been told he would not be asked to give up, for reasons very much *in* the front office’s control. The Casas injury is different, and Devers’ response is petty and unsportsmanlike. We’ll never get an answer, but I would be fascinated to know what his response would be had Bregman opened the season at 2B as was discussed and Casas gone down under the same circumstances. Without the DH conversation, would Devers be as stubborn about this? Would he be willing to move to 1B for Bregman to slide to 3B and Campbell be called up to play 2B? And how would we be judging his current refusal without the context of the earlier tension? I feel like a lot of people’s feeling about the current situation is shaped more by their feelings about the season-opening situation; I guess, to me, they feel like different animals. This one, to me, is far less justifiable behavior, and it seems at least some of the clubhouse agrees.
fwiw, I’m constantly kvetching about how frequently my company switches SOPs around, so I feel you there 😉
I do think it’s a bad look for Devers, but again, I think it’s understandable through the lens of Breslow and co. waaaaay overplaying their hand. Devers doesn’t have any right to 3B, but I think the way you go about this (maybe retrospectively) is to say we’re able to make an upgrade to the team, would you be willing to accommodate a move to 1B? Don’t sign the guy, reassure your star that he’s not going to be playing your position, and then tell your star BTW, he’s gonna be playing your position. The FO hasn’t earned any good will here and I do agree that Devers is overcorrecting in his response.
I think the primary issue is asset management. If the new FO isn’t deadset on Devers in their future plans, they should shop him. Maybe a bad look for future signings, but certainly not as much of a distraction as this.
He has no rights. His name is on a contract. Being overpaid to play when and where at the teams pleasure.
He has collectively bargained rights.
Where is the clause in the collective bargaining agreement is refusing to change positions covered
If Boston’s upset with him and wants to escalate, they certainly can be even more heavy-handed with the situation. I’m sure it’ll be a good look for any of their extension candidates or big-ticket FA targets when they tell their stars “shut up and do what we tell you to do”.
Dever’s biggest issue at 3B was range. That won’t change at 1B. Can you see him stretching, doing the splits, to catch an offline throw to 1B?
Truthfully, no. If I was building a roster over the course of a winter and somebody told me we should head into the season with Rafael Devers as our everyday first baseman I would tell that person they were a fool. (I’ve actually been saying this very thing about Casas’ defense for the last two years, but that’s a different conversation). But this is an extenuating circumstance on a team with an embarrassment of riches in both the outfield and middle infield that lacks a sustainable in-house alternative to Casas following his injury, and while every position requires some work to master, 1B is surely the position that requires the least adjustment to passably play. I don’t need Devers to be a plus defender, I need him to be adequate enough that his bat still adds surplus value. That’s been true at 3B for the past several years—overall, the defensive struggles are the price of getting his bat in the lineup, and the end result has been that Devers has added positive value to the team because his bat is just that good. Do I hope he goes back to DH’ing next year? Absolutely. That’s what he’s best-suited for and I do not think he is likely to be a strong defender at any position at any point in his remaining career.
Think about it purely in terms of WAR (flawed stat, but it’s what we’ve got). A full season of a productive Mayer or a productive Anthony paired with a full season of Devers hitting well and playing even a negative-DRS 1B is still going to be a higher total than Devers producing neutral defensive value and González/Toro splitting 1B to produce what will almost certainly be league-average production, regardless of whether they’re superior 1B to Devers (I have my doubts about this idea; they’re not natural 1B either and have spent most of their careers at 2B/3B as mediocre defenders). Casas is gone. They’re unlikely to find a solid replacement on the market until the deadline, and bringing in yet another player to an already-overcrowded roster seems unwise. Taking the two scenarios I proposed above side by side, the one where Devers moves to 1B is clearly the better outcome for the team, even if he’s a Schwarber-level defender over there. Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk
Devers needed to put up a 3.4 WAR at 3B to provide equal value He would have in any of the past 4 seasons and will in 2025 literally put up more value to the team at DH.
I don’t think his defense can be as putrid at 1B as 3B where he was the worst in baseball, but his range was his biggest issue at 3B, not his throwing.
If the team needs him at 1B, then he really has no choice if they say you are our new 1B. That is not in question. The only question is do they have the huevos to just tell him you ARE playing 1B if you want to get paid.
I agree that, in a vacuum, Devers is more valuable as a DH than as a position player. He is a liability in the field, not an asset. My point is that I think the positive gap in offensive production between Anthony/Mayer and Romy/Toro exceeds the negative gap in defensive production between Romy/Toro and Devers. No part of me is overjoyed about the idea of watching him play the field (taking his glove away to accommodate Bregman was, in my opinion, wise)— I just think it’s the simplest way to address the unfortunate situation that Casas’ injury has put them in.
The Story-to-1B idea I’ve seen thrown around (i.e. move Story and call up Mayer) is intriguing to me for similar reasons. I personally think Anthony is more ready for MLB action than Mayer is, so I would prefer the Devers-to-1B option because it would seem the easier way to accommodate Anthony. Although, frankly, I’m not entirely sure why you couldn’t call up both of them, send Hamilton down, and move Rafaela to a utility role (where it seems clear he belongs). Time will tell!
Like, doesn’t this seem like the most functional version of the Sox on a pure talent level?:
C Wong
1B Story
2B Campbell
3B Bregman
SS Mayer
LF Anthony
CF Duran
RF Abreu
Bench— Narvaez, Rafaela, Refsnyder, Gonzalez
A man can dream….
* DH Devers
Sox should sue him. Of course they won’t but it sure would be fun to see a team go after a player for not fulfilling their contractual obligations.
Oh, and DH’s aren’t baseball players, they’re baseball hitters.
They don’t have to sue him. All they need to do is TELL him where he will be playing. If that is 1B and he refuses, then put him on the restricted list and they don’t have to pay him.
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Bregman volunteered to move to 1B to accommodate and expedite a trade for Arenado
Not a bad plan if Breg had a few more inches of length. (Don’t say it… don’t even think it)
Whomever is “team Devers” is failing miserably, hopefully they are better at helping him manage his money better because he’s gonna need it.. The contract he’s playing on will 99% be his last with him out of MLB after his age 36 season. Inflation is eating this contract and will eat even more of the 10yrs of deferred $7.5M for his age 37-46. After then what’s he gonna do?
That’s the future, in the present no one in the locker room looks at him the same because he’s not a “winner” unless of course they figured that out a long time ago.
Just goes to show how messed up this organization is. They moved on from Betts , and Bogarts and kept this. No one in this organization could see that Devers should not be the face of the franchise!! Bloom was a joke!!! Isn’t Cora supposed to be this great communicator to his players? Why is Breslow having the conversation ? Move on from all 3 of them
The Betts deal is an obvious disgrace, they should never have signed Devers to that deal, and there’s no doubt the organization is a mess, but to be frank, if there’s a single contract in baseball that’s going to age worse than the Devers one, it might be that ridiculous deal the Padres made with Bogaerts. It’s already an albatross and they’ve got a full decade left to go. I’m perfectly content with the fact that they let him go when they did, especially with Mayer in the pipeline by that time. (And I liked Xander a lot!)
Correct me if I’m wrong, but devers still has options technically, correct? Despite the contract, they could send him down to work at first base, yes? If he’s going to hurt the team they should double down and send a message. Send him to AAA for a couple weeks to learn first and to get his head screwed on straight. Maybe he’ll learn that he’s a highly paid employee and that he should be willing to help.
Players over five years of service must consent to an option. If Devers declines, Boston would either have to retain him (basically lockerroom malpractice at that point) or release him and be on the hook for the remainder of the contract, less whatever he signed for as a new-FA.
B dog…have you considered Breslow left Cora out of this discussion on purpose ..or do you think devers wouldnt air out cora to the press?..bottom line the gm doesnt need permission to speak to one of his players..based on how devers has chosen to react to this situation its a no win deal for him
Poolhall: So your thoughts are, Cora had no idea and Breslow took it upon himself to ask him to play first base? All the hype on Cora how he relates to his players . There was no conversation with GM and Manager? Cora is a clown
All i can go by is what we know as facts and as far as we know cora didnt speak with devers on this and its totally reasonable that breslow would feel like he can speak to devers without involving anyone else. Im not going to speculate on a conversation between cora and breslow because it really shouldnt be needed…example its totally ordinary for my bosses boss to ask me questions without my direct bosses knowledge..was the same in the military and every job ive had ..we have zero evidence to assume this is different…and whether or not cora is or isnt a cloen has nothing to do with this since as far as anyone knows he wasnt involved
Thanks for clarifying your bosses boss. I haven’t had a boss in over 20 years as I am self employed.
Nice ! Congratulations on that. But you see my point..its like yea was cora involved? Maybe?..we dont know…does he need to be? def not..the boss ..you* can ask any of your employees any job related question you want ..and honestly if devers was a normal employee and not under contract to play a game hed be fired for this level of lack of reasonable flexibility in any normal job
It would be amazing if he got traded an became someones 1B.
Every time he opens his mouth he makes himself more and more unlikable. Screw him.
JD Martinez could be had on the cheap, go play a month at AAA at first and bring him up for peanuts… I dunno at this point, I like someone saying Kristian to 1b and Mayer at 2b.
Internally Wong is the easiest answer. They can call up grandal.
Romy Gonzalez is probably a better hitter than Wong.
What a Diva 😂😂😂
I hope to see the Red Sox ship Devers out somehow, just not to my Mariners.
Red Sox made a big mistake in offseason when they originally told him you ll be at 3rd base and bregman would move to 2nd or elsewhere and then telling him to throw away his glove. What they should have done was we’re gonna have you learn to play 1st base and we’re gonna move you around from dh to 1st to 3rd and that your gonna be on the field still in a limited capacity and then the Red Sox wouldn’t have this problem.
None of that happened. Bregman said he was willing to play 2B at the onset of free agency. Red Sox did not consult with Devers prior to signing Bregman.
He just cost himself money next time he’s up for a contract! He’s now a DH only, and they don’t make as much money
He likely wouldn’t be getting more than a year deal at the end of this anyway. I think he’d be 37ish
There’s more here than meets the eye. I’m sensing the issue is between Devers and Breslow, Cora is caught in the middle and toes the line to keep his job.
If the Red Sox start losing Cora will be fired and the GM will bring in “his guy”.
Think about it. Devers was told to throw away his glove and he did. Now management does not want him to retrieve his old glove they want him to use a new 1B glove for the first time at the big league level.
Why not have him break in a catcher’s glove while he’s at it. You never know when the catcher might get hurt.
Do you have any clue how many play 1b periodically in mlb? Miguel Cabrera did the same switch and even went back to third again for a year when the Tigers acquired Prince Fielder. And he did it without complaining.
I’m hoping he takes some pitches to the ribs the next few games and none of his teammates back him up…
I mean I have no dog in this fight, but I have been following this story since before the season like any other baseball fan and I cant imagine treating the face of your team any worse than the Red Sox have.
Reminds me of how management treated Milton in the movie Office Space.
Yea right..go away troll..all they have done is ask him to switch positions…its not like they paid a gambler to dig up dirt on him to ruin his reputation or anything…
“Yeah right duh go away troll duh”…you do honors to the intellect of Red Sox fans.
You pay the guy to be the face of your team, to build a franchise around and then you treat him like some utility player.
By the way Mookie Betts says hello.
Dave winfield says hi..hello pot..meet kettle
I was told there would be cake.
If the face of your team is a 28 year old who brings nothing to the table but a bat and after all these years won’t do an interview in English your team has major problems.
fine. I am not disputing your take
But this isn’t a fan perspective but an ownership perspective
Why the contract that pretty much states he is the face of the franchise if the plan is to treat him like an obstacle to success instead of the means to success
Everyone makes playing first base easy until the first bad throw to second on a possible DP or failing to pick the bouncers, then the screaming starts, “what are they doing putting him at first”
If anyone knows their own limits it is the players themselves, and I doubt Devers wants to embarrass himself.
Boston extended the guy they should have let go (Devers). Stuck with an adult who needs way too much nice words to reassure him of his worth and Devers has the temperament of a spoiled kid who does not get his way, pouts, and complains to all that will listen to him.
Even the interpreter was cringing in the interview, trying to help that fkn baby sound like an idiot.
Red Sox deserve it all, after those Betts and Sale Trades and then signing Liam, Bueller and Giolitto
I understand not wanting to become DH following promise by previous front office to stay at third, but things change.
Life is about adjustments and so is baseball. He has renewed opportunity to play the field, but rejects it in a season in which he eventually and reluctantly moved to DH to accommodate a far better third baseman. That was adjustment after months of refusal.
But I think is utterly selfish and on revenge tour not to fill in at first base, nor work to learn it – to put himself before team. It screams revenge and selfishness – plus blown opportunity to play the field and prove himself competent. Bites off his nose despite his face and further taints himself. Only 28 years old, no reason not to work hard there to help his team and expand his tools.
He is expanding his reputation as a tool!
Devers sure isn’t a team player. He’s all about himself. He plays on a TEAM. Maybe trade the loser.
Write his name on the lineup card at 1B.
Now what?
“…since it’s doesn’t appear to be a team-first decision.” And the sky appears to be blue. What a brat. Colossal nerve. Outrageous.
What poor planning on the part of the Sox Management not to have a decent back up in the system at 1B. Try Kristian Campbell at First. He has played 2nd and Centerfield. I’m sure he’s very capable of learning 1 B. That would open more playing time for Hamilton @ 2b. The Very Last Consideration : Trrading Devers.!
Devers for Stanton Stroman and DJ 😁😁😁😁😁