The Pirates are a mess. They fired manager Derek Shelton after a 12-26 start and currently sit 11.5 games out of a playoff spot. Their situation is dire enough that fans and pundits alike have wondered whether they might trade Paul Skenes just 1.5 years into his big league career. That’s never seemed likely, and a Pirates official recently said there’s “no way” the team would consider that, but the fact that it even needs to be said speaks to the current status of the team.
Pittsburgh’s ongoing rebuild simply hasn’t worked as hoped. Trades of Starling Marte, Josh Bell, Adam Frazier, Joe Musgrove, Jameson Taillon, Richard Rodriguez and others haven’t netted nearly enough talent. Other possible trade chips have been held onto and seen their stock dwindle. One player who many have expected to be on that list of traded Pirates stars over the years is closer David Bednar, but he’s still in Pittsburgh and working to rebuild his stock after a poor 2024 season and after being optioned to Triple-A amid some early-2025 struggles.
Bednar may well have been traded by now, it seems, if were up to the front office alone. But Noah Hiles of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports in his latest mailbag column that ownership has previously “stepped in” to prevent the baseball operations staff from trading him.
It’s not clear when a potential Bednar trade might’ve been coming together. He’s been the subject of rumors dating back to the 2022 season, when the Pirates reportedly rejected what at the time were described as “tempting” offers for both Bednar and outfielder Bryan Reynolds. Bednar’s name has been synonymous with each of the two subsequent trade deadlines as well, and he’ll surely be talked about again this summer. Hiles notes that he does not expect ownership intervention this time around — presumably a reflection on Bednar’s struggles over the past calendar year, his mounting price tag ($5.9MM in 2025) and his dwindling level of club control (through the 2026 season).
Ownership stepping in to meddle in baseball operations affairs is hardly a situation that’s unique to the Pirates. Over the years there have been various reports of Angels owner Arte Moreno going over his front office’s head in free agency and more recently of quashing a potential Shohei Ohtani trade late in his tenure with the team. Astros owner Jim Crane operated without a GM in place for months after former GM James Click’s ouster in Houston and signed Jose Abreu and Rafael Montero to regrettable free agent deals while serving as the de facto head of baseball operations. You can go all the way back to 2012 and find reports of Rockies owner Dick Monfort nixing a trade that would’ve sent Jorge De La Rosa from Colorado to Baltimore in exchange for then-prospect Eduardo Rodriguez.
Bednar likely holds some extra value in the eyes of Pirates chairman Bob Nutting and the rest of the ownership group. He’s a Pittsburgh native who grew up rooting for the Pirates and quickly became the most (and only) productive player acquired from the aforementioned trade of Musgrove. Those Pittsburgh roots presumably make Bednar a bit more marketable, although his hometown ties to the area were not expressly mentioned by Hiles as a reason for ownership’s intervention in those trade talks.
Regardless of the reason, it’s likely that prior ownership protest prevented GM Ben Cherington and his staff from capitalizing on Bednar closer to peak value. Bednar broke out as a top-notch setup man in 2021 and by 2022 had assumed the closer’s role in Pittsburgh. From 2022-23, he pitched 119 innings with a 2.27 ERA, 30.6% strikeout rate, 7.6% walk rate and 0.53 homers per nine frames — all while compiling 58 saves for a team that only won 138 games. A hearty 42% of the Pirates’ victories in that two-year period were nailed down by Bednar.
Back in 2022, Bednar would’ve come with four and a half more seasons of club control. In 2023, that’d have (obviously) been three and a half. The asking price for an All-Star closer in his pre-arb years would presumably have been substantial. By 2024, Bednar’s value had plummeted. He missed several weeks in the first half due to an oblique strain and lugged an unsightly 4.95 ERA into the trade deadline. If ownership stepped in to quash a trade at that point, it’d be a bit more understandable, as selling low on a pitcher as talented as Bednar understandably may not have been viewed favorably. Again, the timetable surrounding the events isn’t clear.
Whether due to ownership or lack of sufficient offers, Bednar stayed put last summer — and the Pirates are probably better off for it. It’s true that he struggled enough early on to briefly be optioned to Triple-A Indianapolis, but that brief reset looks to have done wonders. In 13 1/3 innings since returning, Bednar has posted a sharp 3.38 ERA with exceptional rate stats. He’s punched out 20 batters (37% of his total opponents) against just one walk (1.9%). His velocity is as strong as ever, with a fastball sitting 97.1 mph, and he’s inducing grounders at what would be a career-high 48.5% clip (way up from last year’s 37.1%).
If Bednar can continue anywhere close to that pace over the next month or two, he’ll be an in-demand asset once again. With the Pirates in a total state of collapse and Bednar only controlled through 2026, he’d seem like a very strong candidate to change hands this time around. That’s perhaps even truer given that from midseason 2024 through early 2025, it looked like the Pirates had missed their opportunity to trade him for anything of note at all.
Pirates are a long ways away from “We are family”
Those were fun days 🙁
Now it’s WE ARE CRAPPILY
“The Pirates are a mess” you can say that again.
trade skenes. trade bednar. trade em all. start over
with bubba, konnor, barco and a few new young pieces they might have a chance to compete in 4-5 years
fans have waited too long for another 4-5 year rebuild to come
pirates are 17-34
13.5 games behind in the division
on pace for 108 L
so fans wanna keep things the way they are now?
I didn’t say that,they should keep things the way they are.
They need a power hitting outfielder and a catcher who can hit.
Once Gonzalez comes back from the IL, that takes Frazier out of the everyday lineup.
Pham should be DFA and the youngsters at AAA should be given a chance to make the roster
Skenes IS a new young piece
@ryn
No he’s not. He’s got 4 yrs left after this season, Before he leaves for good
Get value while you can
Nats traded soto 3 yrs before his FA. They got cj abrams, mackenzie gore, and james wood. A phenomenal return. Pirates can get equally great package mayb better
OR
Dont trade anyone. Lose 100 gms. Stay frustrated & angry
My God another troll has slithered out from under his rock.
The dodgers can probably put together an attractive package for him. Skenes, that is.
That’s trolling. :p
But do you trust the front office that has traded so many other quality players away to do better this time?
They didn’t have many quality players. Few good nowhere close to great. Rest average to above average. They did alright with their returns even good on many of them.
keep skenes becuase they have him for 4-5 more years so they can compete
This would be the deadline to shop Bednar around. 1 1/2 years of control left and would be in high demand for a lot of potential contenders as a late-inning option.
Their lineup is putrid collectively, 2nd lowest wRC+ (76) in MLB and 2nd lowest fWAR total. Cruz (117), Bart (102), and McCutchen (103) are the only regulars above 100 wRC+.
They’re not going to win with Bednar as the closer anyway, best to turn him into a trade chip and see if they can get impact talent back. They hold the leverage in such talks although Bednar’s value isn’t going to get any higher the longer they hold onto him.
Bednar is currently sporting an era of 5.07. With his 2024 stinker and the poor start to 2025 he’s likely not going to fetch that great of a return.
Should have traded him years and I mean years ago. They actually sent Bednar down and fixed him and he is as good as ever. Still much less years remaining.
bednar been cookin lately
The deadline to shop Bednar was his all star year.
What does a team with no immediate chance to win need with an all star closer?
Ownership more concerned about dealing a hometown boy than anything else.
Bednar volunteers a lot of his time for charities run by Nutting and I think that’s why he stopped Ben from trading Bednar
That’s an interesting tidbit.
On the one hand Bob’s dedication to his charities is admirable. On the other hand Bob’s dedication to meddling in on field matters is killing the team.
At some point the latter should win out if he values paying customers. Who’s to say that’ll happen, though.
I wasn’t defending Bednar, just stating that he volunteers for many of Nutting’s local charity events and the donors seem to appreciate his efforts
They could have jd martinez and drob right now to flip at the deadline of they cared.
Sorry but no. Why would those guys want to come to Pittsburgh??? I’m a lifelong Bucs fan and even I know they are better off waiting for an injury or a pennant race. Fans complain all the time about free agent spending. Nobody wants to come here!!! Michael Taylor said himself that the only reason he signed last year is because he had no other offers. Good players, even older ones sitting at home, don’t want to come here!
Taylor is signing with the Rockies next year.
How do you plan to flip someone no one wants? Already have a dh and relievers.
Hiles: “I think there are a few systemic issues that explain the Pirates’ offensive shortcomings. It starts with a lack of investment, not just in player payroll but in all areas. They lack the resources other organizations not only have but rely upon for consistent success. They’ve been playing catch-up on the analytical side of the game, and it shows. Their models that help determine a position player’s value simply aren’t good enough.
Nor are the technological resources that help players game plan and/or make adjustments. They’re essentially like an underfunded school. Their textbooks are out of date, the teachers are overwhelmed and, in some cases, simply not prepared for the challenge, and the learning tools — laptops, smart boards, etc. — are far inferior to those of other schools in their area.
You pair that with kids who need extra instruction and assistance, and this is what you get.”
And the free agents whom the Pirates have been interested in know this. Then you have to a pay a higher premium to sign them.
Richard will come tell you that according to dk they spend so much they are broke.
I don’t need to.
You just did.
Thanks.
Another organization with crappy ownership. They don’t care about winning they only care about their pockets. And that’s not saying much.
The Buco had a chance to be good years ago and they blew it. Hell even TB is ready to hand out some contracts with actual decent sums to them.
Well they do own the team so they have the right to do what they want
Ownership is only part of the problem. Their lack of development holds this team farther back. You can’t rely on youngsters if you don’t draft and develop well. There are no viable hitters in the entire system outside of Griffin. Don’t be fooled by the band box that the Grasshoppers play in. Even Nick Gonzalez swatted 20 dingers there. Nutting is a cheap-ass but has spent a few extra dollars when a core was present and the team was contending. Cherington is the bigger problem.
Dysfunctional organization
Please, PLEASE sell the team!
Nobody, NOBODY wants to buy them!
If you can get anything good for an “established closer”, do it. There’s always another unknown pitcher who can replace them. Especially if your team is going nowhere. What are a few extra losses at that point?
Agree. They got O’Neil Cruz for Tony Watson.
The way I see it, if you’re not contending, you trade that star closer for a haul while you can. It’s very rare a guy like Bednar goes up in value from when he was initially a trade candidate, and while finding a guy like him is rare, it’s very rare as well that any RP lasts as a star closer through a rebuild and into the heart of a contending window.
Even if they had traded him they would have gotten the wrong players
exactly!
I wouldn’t trust Cherington to trade the mascot for a mascot to be named later
As Hiles wrote, the source of the Pirates problem is Nutting.. Not only has he stepped in to stop the front office from trading Bednar, presumably for marketing reasons, Nutting doesn’t spend enough monry on player development or on the front office.
The Pirates will hire another GM this offseadon, and the results will be the same because the coaches and front office aren’t provided the tools to make more informed decisions and help players get better.
Complete incompetence from top to bottom with this team
“The Pirates are a mess.”
Really could have ended the article there.
David Bednar, 39 saves. But they all went something like this. Stikeout, base hit, strikeout, walk, fly out to the fence. Always one inch away from blowing games until he actually started blowing games. Never has been a shut down pitcher ever.
If ownership feels they need to step in to stop a Bednar deal, why are they not just firing the FO and bringing in more competent folks.
Nutting is a horrible owner. His goal is to pocket MLB and revenue sharing money, not to compete.
Nutting, like Moreno, is also bad at identifying front office talent.
As a result, the team has blown a lot of trades and won’t spend to augment the few talented players they have.
MLB needs to force an ownership change. Pittsburgh is a great sports market and deserves a lot better.
The Skenes trade would be a real drag for the fans but the haul would be worth it.
How about a trade with the Phillies:
Mick Abel – SP
Andrew Painter – SP
Moises Chace – SP
Aidan Miller – SS
Alec Bohm – 3B
Justin Crawford – OF
Would Philadelphia make that trade after Abel’s spot start? I dont think they would but they might. Pittsburgh has to make that trade, or a trade like that and they have to do it this season.
I don’t think the Phils will do that.
Bucs need Skenes because he’s their only asset which can draw fans. Nutting doesn’t even know what he wants in a trade.
I am a white sox fan, I loved the Crochet trade, still do. Meidroth is going to be a good player, Teel is going to be a good player. Braden Montgomery is going to start in the OF by the end of next season. Three starters and Wikelman Gonzalez who has some potential too.
Bwm..you seem to be a fly in a bar who managed to make his way to the men’s room. There you will find more of your kind.
Enough of the fantasy trades you nutjobs come up with…skenes is going NOWHERE
You are likely correct, most bars I visit are fairly straight and free of morons. I don’t go to many bars though.
It’s not really a fantasy trade. I posted what I believe to be fair value for Skenes.
Skenes is pretty good, he could be the difference between winning the WS this season and coming up short, and even if you come up short, you’d have four more seasons and the exclusive rights to negotiate a long term extension with him.
My post was mostly about gauging the market for a potential trade. I think its interesting to ponder. Id make that trade if I was Pittsburgh. I might make that trade if I was Philly too, although it is a steep ask.
be–please see my reply below
I empathize with Pirates, A’s, Rockies, White Sox fans. Terrible ownership leads to some serious messes.
As a Cardinals fans, our franchise has stagnated as well. But certainly not to the degree of these other fine gems. It’s crazy.
But I’ve pointed out, other sports do a better job — of equalizing the playing field — and even if they have to jettison terrible owners they work out ways to do that.
MLB seems completely incapable of it. Rob Manfred is part of that problem, but it’s mostly a lot of owners don’t view these stagnating franchises as a problem. Or not enough of one.
Until there’s significantly more revenue sharing, this isn’t going to change either. I’d argue it’s a big reason MLB has gotten passed by the NBA in revenues, and will never ever catch football. Getting a cap and floor could lead to that to a far better degree than what were witnessing now.
But culture — both owners and the players association — don’t seem remotely concerned. Or at least not enough.
Baseball sorta made it’s own bed here. I don’t think things change unless a strong commissioner — one who will push owners towards making the league better, not just their clubs — gets selected to replace Manfred.
I’m not holding my breath.
Bp, you don’t give Manfred enough credit. Like Selig, Manfred has helped make baseball more unequal. Low budget teams found they could get more bang for their buck by spending more in the draft, e.g Pirates and “don’t draft me” Josh Bell. Under Selig, we got slot money that now prevents that. While fans may not like it, tanking was a viable strategy for rebuilding by positioning your team well in the draft, see Houston. Under Manfred, we got the draft lottery which ended the benefits of tanking. Both of these changes hurt less wealthy teams and so it goes.
Bp-There is only one word to describe baseball.
Money
The big market teams are making it hand over fist and they want to keep it that way.
The vast majority of fans are located there and want to keep it there.
I live near Philadelphia and the Eagles lost many starting players off their Super Bowl winning team because of the salary cap.
They have a great GM so they will be OK.
MLB has one small market team winning the WS since 1991.
This will never change because of one thing.
Money
When the Pirates made their last playoff run, Cleveland was also making a strong run. Cleveland would actually make it to the WS. I kept imagining the panic in the commissioner’s office and the networks when they realized that there was a chance for a Cleveland-Pittsburgh WS. Racing through their minds would be the panic “who is going to watch? Care? How can we stop this financial disaster?” I imagine there was a sigh of relief when the Pirates came up short. Champagne was opened, toasts were raised, profits were saved. MLB profits more from having big markets preferably with some inter-regional conflict.
Pocket the revenue sharing and laugh all the way to the bank.
Another awesome job by Bednar tonight
Sarcasm?
Bednar didn’t even last a third of an inning
Yes, sarcasm.
Either Bob sells the team or it should be moved. I’d rather have no baseball that whatever this trash is putting out on a nightly basis.
The team can’t be moved until 2030 according to the contract Nutting signed but he isn’t likely to go that route, the Pirates are in cash cow for him
It should be moved.
It’s Pirates ownership, so I could see Nutting stepping in because he wanted some coupons back in the deal in addition to whatever the return would’ve been.
They would be wise to trade Skenes is they aren’t going to go all or least halfway in! What a waste this organization is! I missed “We are family” but I remember the collection of Bonds, Bonilla, Drabek, Smiley & alike. They had a good ball club that just missed out on a World Series.
Bw-I see all kinds of fantasy trades on here,never really give any,and rarely comment on them because most are ridiculous.
Yours is pretty much the latter.
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
The Pirates gave up three young players for one middle aged pitcher in 2018.The trade was panned by many,while some posters said that it was the worst trade ever.They had evidently never heard of Babe Ruth or Frank Robinson.
The basic problem in your trade is that all of the Pirates eggs became in one basket.Archer,who was only a decent pitcher recently,but who thought to be much better by the Pirates GM.He ended up with several injuries that almost totally negated any plus that he would have made for many years.
Dombrowski on the other hand does remember his history.He probably would lose his high paying job if somehow he could make that trade,although the Phillies owner is too smart and involved to let it happen.
The minor leagues would be absolutely decimated.And,they think that Painter will be almost as good as Skenes!
Skenes is a HOF pitcher barring serious injuries,but ML GM’s have to live in the real world.
Right, its a big open on a big trade. Might as well start high, but Painter and Abel are the two pieces of the trade that make it work, without either there is no deal. While the rest of the prospects are good prospects with potential, they are icing on the cake. It’s a big cake.
It would be tempting if the Phillies offered,and you are right,the Phillies become the odds on favorite.
In all honesty,it would become the reverse of the Archer trade,since keeping Skenes would be putting all the Pirates’ eggs in one basket if they did not make it.
I guess that is why the GM’s make the big bucks.
But quite frankly,the Phillies have really good starting pitching now as it is.