The Pirates announced that they have optioned right-hander David Bednar to Triple-A Indianapolis and designated catcher Jason Delay for assignment. Those are the corresponding moves to add pitching prospect Thomas Harrington, a move which was reported earlier today.
The move highlights what a recent struggle it’s been for Bednar, who was once one of the most dominant closers in the league. From 2021 to 2023, he made 172 appearances for the Pirates. He had a 2.25 earned run average, 31.2% strikeout rate and 7.7% walk rate. He gradually took over the ninth inning in Pittsburgh in that time, with three saves in 2021, 19 the year after and then 39 in 2023.
That production would have been exciting for any club but it was enhanced by the “local kid makes good” angle. Bednar was born in Pittsburgh, went to Mars Area High School and attended Lafayette College in Easton, Pennsylvania. He was drafted by the Padres but made his way to his hometown club in January of 2021, just before his breakout, as part of the three-team trade that sent Joe Musgrove to San Diego.
But he’s been on a downward slide since then. He posted a 5.77 ERA for the Bucs last year. His strikeout rate fell to 22.1% and his walk rate climbed to 10.7%. He lost the closer’s role for the final month of the season.
His first three appearances in 2025 have gone poorly. On Opening Day against the Marlins, he was put into the bottom of the 9th in a 4-4 game. He allowed a triple, issued an intentional walk and then allowed a walk-off single. He got another chance the next day, getting the ninth with the Bucs up 4-1. A walk and a homer quickly made it 4-3, though Bednar then got three outs to record the save. On Sunday, he was again put into tie game in the ninth. A single, stolen base, throwing error and wild pitch quickly led to another loss.
It’s a frustrating mystery for Bednar and the Pirates, as his stuff doesn’t seem to have lost any zip. He averaged 96.6 miles per hour on his fastball in 2023 with opponents batting .188 and slugging .315 against it. Last year, his velo actually ticked up to 97.2 mph but the pitch allowed a .256 batting average and .459 slug. His splitter and curve didn’t seem to lose any velo either.
Bednar and the team have presumably been trying to find an explanation for his struggles without coming up with a clear solution, so the Bucs have taken the step of sending him to Indianapolis, perhaps with the idea of him having a chance to get into a good groove away from the pressures of the big leagues. In Bednar’s stead, the closing duties will perhaps fall to someone like Colin Holderman or Dennis Santana.
The move isn’t likely to impact Bednar’s trajectory to free agency. He came into this season with his service clock at four years and 76 days. That’s 96 days shy of the five-year mark and he’s already added five more days this year. That means he needs about three more months in the majors to get over that line. Assuming he gets beyond five years at some point here in 2025, he would have just one season of club control remaining.
If he stays down for longer than that, the Bucs could theoretically gain another year. But in that scenario, he likely didn’t pitch well in the minors, meaning they probably wouldn’t tender him an arbitration contract since he is making $5.9MM this year. The arbitration system is set up so that salaries almost never go down, even with poor performance.
It will surely lead to plenty of “what-if” questions. The Bucs haven’t been competitive for most of the recent past, so Bednar’s name came in a trade rumors from time to time. The Pirates never clicked on any deal. In hindsight, plenty will say that they should have taken whatever offers were on the table, but it’s hard to fathom anyone foreseeing this quick downfall.
Delay, 30, has seen a decent amount of time as Pittsburgh’s backup catcher in recent years. From 2022 to 2024, he hit .231/.295/.315 in 134 games with solid glovework. However, the catching depth for the club has become more crowded. Endy Rodríguez missed all of 2024 recovering from UCL surgery but is now back. While he was gone, the club took a flier on Joey Bart and saw him break out. Between those two and former first overall pick Henry Davis, Delay was likely fourth on the depth chart.
The Bucs will now have a maximum of one week of DFA limbo to figure out what’s next. The waiver process takes 48 hours so any trade possibilities would have to come together in the next five days. Delay still has options and hasn’t yet reached arbitration, so he could be an affordable depth addition for a club looking to bolster its catching corps.
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Wrong guy. You’re looking for Tom Harrington.
Still, it’s a reminder to trade dominant closers when not in contention, which was the case a couple years back.
I told them to. These pirates fans got after me hard. They didn’t want to hear it.
He’s a local kid. Pirates fans never forgave Huntington for trading Neil Walker. Hometown means a lot here
That said, from a baseball perspective I agree with you. But here, it’s PR, trying to sell fans on bad teams.
I feel badly for Bednar. But that’s the business
I find it hard to believe people are going to games to see Bednar. Attendance since Bednar has been here is downright pathetic.
You miss the point. It’s not that they’re going to see Bednar in particular. They just appreciate the appearance of a franchise looking out for its own local stars. Not hard to comprehend in Pittsburgh
I’ve had lots of Pittsburgh friends say similar. I admire the civic pride, but it’s definitely tough to swallow not selling a top flight club closer and having his value go to zero for the second time in recent memory.
Bednar participates in various events sponsored by Pirates Charities which is Nutting’s creation
Pittsburgh fans aren’t anything special. Just like any other fans. This time last year Rowdy had to scold you for booing Bednar. Now you are celebrating him getting sent away. About time! He sucks and should be in minors but lets trade him for great prospects!!!!!!! It was wonderful he was a local when great. Now no one is demanding this is bs. He’s a gritty yinzer. Gotta keep the local kid as closer. He’s a Pittsburgher. He’ll figure it out.
It is very easy to say let’s trade the guy when he is good.But the development system for non pitchers is so bad that they would have to get two or three good near ready ML players to make it worthwhile.
Cherington wants to win as much as anybody and trading stars,especially a closer,when you do not have a backup,only serves to push back any “rebuild” forever.
Huntington had it right.He would trade guys near their 6th or 7th year if he could not extend them and he would get near ready ML players as he probably knew that he was not developing anyone either.
Pirate fans did not mind the rebuild starting in 2020 but expected to at least see a winning team within 3-4 years.Trading your young good stars would not accomplish that objective.
If this year goes from bad to worse then it may be a good thing in that even Nutting may realize that he needs someone else to begin yet another rebuild.
This is really a stupid take. Are you 12?
Great, you suggested they trade him and hindsight being 20/20, you were right. Congrats. Get over yourself
Pittsburgh. Baltimore. Cleveland. Must be something about places where generations worked hard and aren’t silver spoon types.
Appreciation of their town and players who grew up there. Nothing special? You know nothing about traditions.
Grow up
Rowdy seen you fake Pittsburghers. Guy multiple all star great closer. Has 2 or 3 bad games and you boo him. Nothing special about Pittsburgh. Same type of fans as Philly New York anywhere else. You ain’t fooling Rowdy and ain’t fooling me.
Closers ain’t stars. If losing a guy who pitches 2 or innings a week pushes back a rebuild it ain’t going to be a successful rebuild.
“Cherington wants to win as much as anybody”
Your comments make me think you should be called YourJrHighGM.
You still don’t get the point
And Rowdy? Yeah. Ok.
Thats no different than any other area where a local plays. And it’s relatively insignificant considering true impact.
Greatest miss I ever saw was Royals having Pujols in their back yard and he got to StL
if Cherington really wanted to win as much as anyone, he wouldn’t have signed Pham and would have fired Shelton.
By the way, Shelton’s lineup is again different from last night’s game.
Jack, batting lead off and Cruz batting third both struck out without ever taking their bats off of their shoulders
the same Rowdy who stood at home plate to watch his home run become a double because he was too busy admiring the ball he hit?
The same Rowdy who only had a batting average lower than his weight and basically stunk all season?
Not as true in Southern California.
True impact is important, of course. I’m not talking about drafting local high school all star players just for effect
Bunch of yinzer jagoffs goin dahntahn.
And to Mt Warshington and then Sou-side
Tell that to Mariano Rivera.
Nothing worse than losing games in the ninth inning after you had led all the way.
I think that he wants to win but he is too clueless to know how to do it.
Paul nailed it. Signed Pham. Kept Shelton. That isn’t trying to win.
Fans (like myself) were upset with the Neil Walker trade because they gave him away for nothing just to be cheap. Want to be cheap and trade a local guy, fine…. just get some assets in return. Bednar will never be traded because his entrance music is the stupid Steelers song. Who cares? Terrible move to hold relievers longer than 2yrs
Goose Gossage was a star. Dennis Eckersley was a star. Mariano Rivera was a star. There have been many.
L99: Seems like the ideal Matt Blake candidate….
Matt Blake would do wonders with Bednar. The Pitcher Whisperer for the Yankees makes sense.
Also a reminder…
Trade your dominant closers before they get arrested for solicitation of a minor.
And a further reminder: Things are always darkest before they go completely black
they haven’t been in contention for 8 years and this season won’t be any different
Wow. He needed to go but didn’t think they would do it
One thing about Cherington he admits his mistakes. At least recently. If only Williams Nutting were paying attention so they can see how many mistakes he makes and needs to be fired.
Cherington admits his mistakes?
When will he admit that he knew Horowitz was injury before trading for him?
How do you know he was?
Agreed. Cherimgton often sounds more like a politician. He only “admits” mistakes when it’s become painfully obvious to everyone and their grandmother that he made a mistake
Maybe cherrington shout paint his face with Cheetos
Pat Harrington could fix it!
Best ever tv sitcom super!
Just had him with eggs and bacon this morning for my breakfast.
Finally… Bob Nutting has the room he needs to go out and get us a serious bat (Robbie Grossman or Yasmani Grandal)
Bednar will still be paid every penny so sorry Bob still broke.
$69 million profit last year is not broke.
DK says Bob lost $2MM last year.
(I don’t believe it but I also don’t believe he made $69MM either)
Fake news
Forbes’ annual report on every baseball franchise’s finances for 2024 says that the Bucs made a $9 million dollar profit last year.
The report that said that they lost money was provided by Travis Williams, the team’s President of Baseball Operations
He’s right, TheMan3. It’s fake because the owner likely made much more.
$60 million more according to SI.
point being, it’s the Pirates who are claiming they lost money which is just an excuse not to spend more on the payroll
DK backed it all up with in-depth research and even admitted it was hard for him to believe how it turned out. As a guy who was a small business owner for a lot of years and whose background lent itself to understanding the financial side of running a business, even several years ago you could see that Nutting was not a wealthy owner.
Now, the fact he is so hugely risk- averse is another matter..
DK is like Mark Kaboly who covers the Steelers
Usually wrong
Cuban has said that Nutting is making a fortune
Forbes has reiterated it
And the PG went one step further
Maybe “DK” should work in Pirates PR
DK has as much credibility as Alex Jones.
The New York Times and several other respectable outlets says that Nutting is worth $1.1 billion dollars.
The franchise is worth $1.1 billion dollars.
Considering that he only paid $200 million for the franchise, it’s hard to believe that he lost money last year
And does business in a facility built by taxpayers. Nice gig
didn’t Nutting invest in the area around the park this past winter with new restaurants?
Hardly seems like someone who doesn’t have money
Mark Cuban said 20 25 million a year. I think that’s a good guess. As a sports owner he should have a good idea. Not a fortune though. Pretty disappointing.
Big prize is when you sell.
You can read both reports. If you have at least average intelligence you will see which one had more research and effort put into it. Spoiler alert for you zombies it’s DK.
No one has all the data. Pirates do whatever they can to hide as much as they can. Not something a losing $ team that’s bullied for being cheap would do if they were truly losing $. Although they are incredibly stupid and not transparent. When does managements contract end? No one here knows.
They are definitely hurting though. Whether that’s losing some $ or making a smaller amount. You older guys are still paying your cable bill but half the country that was 3 or 4 years ago is no longer doing so. They lost their tv deal. Teams all over the country are crying poor. Other small markets are around 100 110 million.
Only brainwashed zombies respect the ny times. Non brainwashed independent thinkers get news from independent journalist. Newspapers and cable news are a joke and are dead. Their propaganda and tell you what you want to hear. Not reliable news though. If you must read a newspaper it’s wall street journal. Articles lean left. Editorial right. At least you get both sides. Most people only want 1 side though.
Cuban also said he’d be crazy to sell and went into some vague comments about MLB’s money streams
Look, it is what it is. Your opinion is yours. I respect that. We’ll never know for sure
But Starkey is right in asking, if you’re losing so much money, why aren’t you selling?
To me, it’s because he’s profiting
I agree with Cuban. I can see them making 20 some million a year even 30 last decade. I think this decade they are making a much smaller profit. Slight profit slight loss breaking even. You can’t lose your tv deal and all that cable $ and make nearly as much. My guess Nutting hopes expects cba to fix things. If not a cap at least more revenue sharing.
Why aren’t you selling? Who wants to buy a business that loses money? That’s why he isn’t selling if he is losing $. He would be selling low. Other teams have tried recently and they didn’t get what they wanted so just kept the team.
You’re repeating the line of a certain politician who has demonized the media and sued when coverage or reports bother him
CNN is now owned by a conservative billionaire
Sane with ABC
CBS is owned by Paramount, whose CEO is a conservative
The Washington Post and LA Times are owned by conservatives
And the owners are all billionaires
If you wish to talk baseball, please have at it
What you just posted is even more ridiculous than your hometown comments
I respect anyone’s viewpoints. But this one is so far out in right field that the busses won’t go there
Wall Street Journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch and also owns Fox
Both are right wing propaganda mouthpieces.
I would rather read the NYT who has won more Pulitzer Prizes than Fox who has never won any.
He is probably waiting for the cba but he is so disassociated with the team and knows that it has been a loser that my guess is he will sell fairly soon especially if he can get $1.1B and his family does not want it.
Cuban probably saw the 10% annual return of investment and liked it.
If Nutting was not making $40-50M every year which is about 4-5% he would have sold it by now.
anyone who gets MGM+
with their cable, the network is owned by Jeff Bezos, hardly a liberal
Nutting’s 2 children have already said that they don’t want anything to do with the Pirates or being associated with it on any level.
At some point, he will sell the franchise, the earlier the better for the fans
Nutting publishes 300 newspapers in the country, and was wealthy even before he bought the Pirates.
You don’t pay $200 million for a franchise if you’re poor or middle class
Doesn’t really matter how much he is making. Just don’t understand why you hold onto something that’s losing money.
And I have no doubt an investor or group would move to buy the minute the for sale sign went up. That’s finances. Buy and put a bit of money into it. Watch it grow
Nutting did this initially but for whatever reason has decided to cut expenses
I don’t care who owns them. They stink. Wrong too often. And if you think some of these owners are conservative we have a completely different definition of conservative. I don’t want conservative propaganda either. Just like the liberal outlets (owned by conservatives you say) lied about Russia and Hunter’s laptop the conservative ones lied about voting machine fraud. You 98 percent of Americans can root for your news sources like sports teams. I just want to know whats going on. Fox cnn msnbc newsmax all hot pile of garbage. Don’t care who owns them. I’ve watched Disney destroy star wars marvel etc with their woke garbage. They ain’t conservative. Ultra wealthy ain’t either. They may lean one way but roll with tide whatever way makes them more $.
I know I am talking to myself. You are brainwashed. Assuming I am conservative because I called a liberal newspaper crap.
I guess Bezos owns the post. He has donated to support same-sex marriage and lower taxes for the rich. I wouldn’t call that conservative. Those are 2 of the biggest reasons why I ain’t a cheerleader brainwashed lemming of conservative party.
Had to Google la times owner. First thing that comes up. Politics. Soon-Shiong and his family were major donors to the Hillary Clinton 2016 presidential campaign. But he claims to be a independent. I guess because he met with president you label him a conservative lol ok. I got you figured out. End of conversation zombie. I’ll stick with my independent news.
Rupert Murdoch old done for. His kids are running things. Who cares who owns it. That’s brainwashed zombie stuff. Pulitzer a joke now and irrelevant. If pirates get new owner I don’t care what their politics are. Long as they are better owner than Nutting.
Lost half his local tv revenue. Be foolish to sell now. Would be selling low.
TV $ is in awful spot now. Wait until that is sorted out before you sell.
So in your way of thinking it’s all black and white. Either you’re “conservative,” which means far right, or “liberal,” which is far left
In your way of thinking, you can’t be down the middle. Just an American who wants good governance. Got it
You were given a list of owners of media outlets and then called those who laugh at your assertions “brainwashed”. You’re getting your way with mainstream media—-completely watered down reporting thanks to oligarch ownership. That’s still not good enough for you. You don’t want dissent. Look up the thoughts of Josef Goebbels and get back to me
I don’t know what you do for a living or how old you are, but perhaps a refresher course in the Constitution as well as US government and the role of journalists would be beneficial
But between this and your other comments, I’ve had enough
I go out to eat where the food is good. I don’t care to know what the restaurant owners views are. It’s alarming that who owns these newspapers and tv networks matters. I just want the best news like I want the best food. You people are brainwashed cheerleaders rooting for your party. It’s cool. Just not for me. I’m here to talk baseball. Not be a cheerleader for the dead newspaper business.
“So in your way of thinking it’s all black and white. Either you’re “conservative,” which means far right, or “liberal,” which is far left”
Can you not read? I am neither. Doesn’t matter if I was. This is baseball site.
Forbes has to guess and estimate as they don’t get to see the actual numbers. The Team’s POBO sees the actual numbers. I might discount the Forbes guestamate, but you do you.
Franchise appreciation value is not realized until a sale. Until then, it only allows him to borrow and add debt.
During Covid, the large market teams complained, and revenue sharing was halted. Small market teams may have debt from that that is still being paid on.
About a year late but definitely the right decision.
A year ago he could have been traded for a real prospect return.
Bednar has completely lost his rhythm and does not look like himself anymore.
Maybe he’s just one of these pitchers that can’t get comfortable plying his craft with the artifical rhythm imposed by the pitch clock.
The pitch clock was set in 2023, and he had his best season that year, so I doubt it.
Tipping pitches a possibility?
If you mean getting behind in the count and then throwing meatballs dead red, yeah, agree. No better tipping than that
I put a bet on the Pirates to make the playoffs. Good to see they are trying.*
(*Trying for the Pirates.)
Coach, If you don’t care about money, you can just send it directly to me. I’ll put it to better use.
For as much as I put down I was willing to risk it. It’s not gonna put me on the streets.
Think of it this way, coach. Only 300 days or so until pitchers and catchers report for spring training,,2026
So you like throwing cash into a furnace, interesting.
Here for your entertainment
I hope that was before the offseason. They did little to nothing to improve.
…Tommy PHAM!
What has happened to The Regenade?
He got fat. Relievers don’t often last, the ones who don’t maintain condition really don’t last.
Bednar looks slimmer than last season, noticeably.
I agree when I saw him pitch against Miami, he looked chubby
In my opinion, mental stuff. His stuff (velo and movement) have looked just as good, if not better than in previous seasons when he was an allstar. But you can tell something is off when he’s on the mound. Not as confident as before, gets frustated at himself easily it seems. Hope he can get it back on track though, because his arm is still very lively.
That’s only part of it, mlb
Yes, he went from being untouchable one year to being hit hard the next. That’ll get to a kid’s head. But you and I know scouts and hitting coaches watch pitchers—especially dominant pitchers— closely. They look for flaws in their game. Batters adjust.
I watched him closely from his best period. Didn’t throw spin pitches enough. Didn’t really have a dominant change. As batters sat on heat, it made mastering other pitches imperative. He never did. Sure it went to his head.
Again, I feel badly for the Pittsburgh guy. But you wonder what he’s been doing all this time
His curveball always had decent spin, sitting around 2400-2500 RPM. He throws a splitter instead of a change-up, and it was very effective, getting batters to swing and miss at it over 30% of the time from 2021 through 2023. Sure, his fastball was his primary pitch, but it’s not like we’re talking about a fastball-only guy here. He had 3 plus pitches, and I still believe he has 3 plus pitches, but doesn’t have the command he did before.
Do you watch games and pitchers, specifically?
His out pitch was his fastball. His set up pitch was usually a fastball out of the zone.
He leaned heavily on heat
His spin pitches grew less and less effective
He had no legitimate off speed pitch. No change up
I mean, of course it became mental.
Batters sat on heat. And when control was less accurate, he was easy fixin’s
Sorry. He didn’t suddenly become Rick Ankiel or Steve Blass. You lose confidence when you lose mastery.
I did watch his games, I watched him become an all-star, twice, his painful blown saves last year, and his blow up games this year. I still do not think his stuff is bad as a whole. Yeah, he leaned heavily on heat, but so do most relievers. His splitter was a legitimate off-speed pitch. He could locate it well and got a ton of swings and misses in 2021-2023. Most relievers only have 1, maybe two plus offerings. Bednar had (and still has) 3. His out pitch was actually his curveball, as it had the highest put-away percentage of any of his three offerings since his 2021 rookie year. I still believe he can be a good pitcher, but he needs to regain his command, and more importantly, his confidence.
If you’re referring to his curve from his first big season here, agreed. But he became what Keller is at times: an enigma who can no longer “get the feel” for his spin pitch. The Bednar of the past two seasons relied on heat for virtually everything. And batters took note and caught up
I think he can be a good pitcher too. Do the Pirates have any true pitching coaches in their system? That’s the question
What I’m refering to is that his curveball has been his out pitch. Every year since his rookie season (including 2022, 2023, and even 2024), it had the highest put away rate between any of his three pitches. That’s also not entierly true about his fastball either though. Bednar’s four-seam fastball usage rate has mostly stayed the same since his 2021 rookie year. His lowest FB% was 53.7% in 2022 and his highest was 57.9% in 2023. Last year it was 55.5%, and in 2021, it was 55.1%. I don’t think his pitch usage is anywhere close to the problem right now. I believe the Pirates have decent pitching coaches. Dewy Robinson is a renowned pitching expert the Pirates brought into the org a few years ago, and they added Brent Strom this offseason. Again, I think his confidence needs help more than anything.
Again, confidence comes from success. Success comes from working hard to refine pitches. I’m sure David knows this. His dad was a helluva coach.
I’ve watched Bednar for many years. Your stats are well taken but again, he’s relied too much on trying to overpower.
*Correction, I meant every year including his rookie season (including 2021, 2022, 2023, and even 2024).
mlb, I like your takes. But it seems important that you want to win debates with stats. That’s fine. My takes come from field level, generally. Long experience in dugouts. Too long
Have a nice eve
The stats win debates.
Previous statistics don’t mean squat. What a player did in the past has no revelance to this year. It’s what have you done for me lately. Bernard is either burnt, no confidence or has lost it.
And analytics, my opinion, has a lot do do with a players confidence.so yes stats are important in negotiating a new contract. It means nothing in a players performance in real time.
Now whoever had the idea to stretch out Carmen M. and make him a starter. killed be fired. When you have young starting pitching in abundance, you don’t need to convert a possible replacement for bednar.
He pitched 3 quality innings in his start, a good showing by a relief pitcher. But not as a starter.
And Sheldon’s lineups are ridiculous. These guys need to play everyday at the start of the season. After all they don’t play much in spring. To alter his lineup like he does is a reason why this MORON should be sent packing.
Sorry for the spelling errors Bernard is Bednar. Killed was supposed to be should.
Spell check sucks sometimes
another different lineup in today’s game so at least Shelton is consistent
I said the other day. He’s not challenging or bullying batters. The defense at least this yr has not put him in ideal situations either
I agree MLB. It’s all mental. He’s frustrated. He wants to win and doesn’t want to fail and I’d venture to say that last year really took a toll on his confidence. I’m not at all saying he did this, but it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he asked to be sent down. He knows he’s not right and is hurting the team.
He refused to throw the football slider.
Is Ron what’s his name DeSantis not in town to teach him?
It is quite true that his struggles are directly related to a refusal to throw the Roger Beshens football slider. Let history show that those that ignore wise counsel are doomed to regret it….
Bednar (amonst many others) is why teams that are <85 game winners need to offload top releivers when they have the chance. They are just too volatile to keep and expect them to perform over a 10 year stretch.
Devers 0-19 with 15 strikeouts!🤔😳
Yeah, but I believe it’s a technical issue with not keeping his head in. To me, it appears that he’s pulling his head out in almost every pitch.
I’m sure if that’s it, the Red Sox see it too and it’s just a matter of time before they correct it. He’s too good for this to last.
I think he is just being a baby after they signed Bregman. Didn’t work as hard. Doesn’t care.
Should we start having ice cream sandwiches delivered to the dugout?
Possibly trying to get outta Boston
“Waaaahhh!!!🤣
That’s only 4 fewer than me, and I would cost a lot less!
Unfortunately the at bats on the back fields in ST don’t get you ready for game-level competition. He’s playing himself into shape while the games count. Not good.
This. I wonder if Yoshida were available to start the season would Devers have been the one starting on the IL with the 20 day rehab assignment. Some of it may be mental but you can see in the rare times he does make contact that its soft contact.
The team may have been better off breaking camp with Marcelo Mayer and letting Devers get ready on the IL
the Bucs matched that strikeout total in last night’s game alone
isn’t there a point where a guy with enough service time can refuse being optioned to AAA?
5 years
Hi peeps. Can I have the Cliff Notes version of how Bednar went from elite to AAAA guy? Thanks.
Got fatter then he already was,
He didn’t throw 100. Didn’t have a nasty slider. Everything he did have and his command had to be perfect. And it was. Now he’s not perfect. Get his command back and he could be back. Get Strom to teach him a certain slider with a stiff wrist.
There’s no team that fails to trade relievers better than the pirates. Wouldn’t trade tubs (Bednar), refused to trade Vazquez (lol that was a fun ending), let Jason grilli fade to nothing before getting back the awesome return of Ernesto frieri!
What are you talking about? NH was the king at trading for closers then trading THEM for closers.
It happened twice and once ended up being a pedo lol. King?
Yet he’s slimmer now than last season.
Try again
Finally!
Wow, whoever talked Nutting into keeping him during the off season with his 5.9 mil salary has to be looking at the want ads,
Wow how far Bednar has fallen fast!
Baseball is a funny game.
Pirates should trade Skenes now to the Yankees.One of the few non overrated and talented Pirates. Pirates peak is like 85 wins in 2027/2028. Get the Yankees top 5 prospects. The few pirates fans won’t notice
Too expensive in prospects talent to trade for right now. 2 years of Crochet cost 2 top 50 guys. Who has the farm and willing to destroy it for Skenes?
Why? Yanks aint got nobody. Trade him to a team with real prospects if you don’t want Skenes anymore.
BTW, only yinzer fans would rather a player leave than to help their own team. for the sake of that player. Ridiculous.
he doesn’t speak for every yinzer fan
Wow, shocked they made this decision so quickly, but it was 100% needed. Atp with Bednar, it’s a mental thing, because his stuff looks just as good as it ever did. But he’s either missing way out of the zone, or leaving it in very hittable places when he hits the zone. He looks defeated on the mound, and he needs to get his confidence and command back. Jason Delay getting DFA’d isn’t entierly surprising. He’s a proto-typical back-up catcher and was the 4th on the 40-man roster.
I’m just happy they didn’t sit on their hands until it was too late like they did last year. Even though I thought Bednar would out of the role sooner rather than later, I was still 100% prepared for them to let him attempt (and likely fail) to save most games until May.
Bring in Robertson. Been saying that all offseason as a backup plan
Santana will handle the job
Eventually I think so too. Right now I think it’s going to Holderman AND Santana
PS… the closer role is one of the most overrated “positions” in baseball.
If you ask me, they should keep Harrington in the Majors, move Mlodzinski back to the bullpen, and let Santana, Mlodzinski, and Borucki handle the late/high-leverage innings. Play it by match-up/whoever is avaiable, and work from there. If one of them steps up their game, then you can set someone in a more typical closer role.
After last night, I’m glad they’re not asking you
I think there will be teams looking to see if the Pirates are willing to trade Bednar, and I think whatever Cherington can get even if it’s lottery tickets or paying all of his salary, he should bite.
Maybe, but I don’t think BC will do that.
Reports say the team didn’t close the door on him returning, mainly because he couldn’t close even that on the way out.
Potential sneaky Dodgers midseason trade piece?
Why wait that long? Pirates would love to dump salary now.
Yeah, that Dodger bullpen needs help.
a reminder at how volatile the closer’s life, or reliever’s life in general, is. Really hard to maintain consistent high level for years and years, just a few have done it. Due to injuries, dip in velo, whatever it is.
This guy wasn’t in great shake unless that shape was round. Didn’t throw elite hard. Didn’t have elite slider or any slider. He didn’t have much of a chance. Probably had a longer stretch than he should. I been telling them to trade him for years. Maybe they didn’t get a good offer but I think they set their ask unrealistically high. Remember reports pirates wanted a Juan Soto return for Reynolds.
First up for save chances should be Dennis Santana IMO. But I’m guessing it’ll be the potluck approach.
Probably be Santana unless lefty bats due up which would be smart
Yeah, but Shelton
I wanted Nicholas to close before seasons end
one important aspect of the need for a closer is scoring enough runs to get a good pitcher into the 9th to save the win.
This team doesn’t do that.
So it might not matter who the closer is from game to game
Just look at Bednar’s stats – everything fell apart last year. Hits/9 up, walks/9 up, HRs/9 up, Ks/9 down. Might need a hypnotherapist to get his head back in the game.
Bednar PED suspension in 3…2…1
Yes, I hear he tested positive for MSG.
Could a change of scenery be the answer?
If that change of scenery includes better coaches than pirates have.
I like change of scenery angle. Bednar and that 19 yr old from Uganda to Baltimore for in need of scenery change Mountcastle.
what does it say about the pitching coach that he couldn’t help Bednar out at the major league level?
That he’s not a god?
the bullpen was supposed to be a strength this year and has been anything but.
Is it just the pitchers or maybe it’s time for a new coach?
It’s the pitchers. Look at the hitters. Haines is gone and this team is worse.
Why would you think it was supposed to be a strength? Did you see Bednar Holderman pitch last year? Were they not back for 2025? Did you see the pitchers Cherington brought in this off season? Best arms 3m or less could buy! For the $ they were good adds but good enough to make it a strength?
Santana will be traded at deadline or off season.
I think a change of scenery and another pitching coach will get him back on track.
this team needs a complete overhaul of the entire coaching staff including a manager
As someone on who has him on my dynasty fantasy team, last year he had an over 5ERA and could not get through an inning with out getting hit hard. This year looks like more of the same. My bigger question is who they turn to at closer after this cause there are slim pickings at closer in my league on waivers
I think even the people who didn’t have him on their dynasty fantasy team knew how bad he was last year.
No one is discussing Sheltons role in what looks like another putrid team. How, with 16 pitchers on the roster, do you put Bednar in a close game because they’re all used up after 2 games. He needs to go badly enough that I’m kinda hoping for a 10-15 game losing streak. Skenes will likely have a 0-0 record with 20 indecisions.
D-Bednar has obviously not pitched well but it was not his fault that Cruz cannot play CF or Endy cannot throw to second base.
When a team is that careless it only emphasizes the point that there has been no significant improvement in the haphazard play that has occurred since Shelton took over.
I’m kinda hoping that Nutting gets off his seat and actually does something for the good of the team that he owns.Namely,fire Shelton now.
I think that if they lose the next 4 games which is likely, Shelton’s job will be in jeopardy,
Starting the season 1-9 would seal his fate
Paul- You are using logic.
Nutting would have to pay Shelton for the whole season.
Shelton should have been fired two years ago.
If Cherington knew what he was doing he would have been.
The problem as I have said several times before is that Nutting is not invested enough in baseball and whether his team is winning.Cherington will not act because it reflects on him.
This team really cannot be taken seriously because the overall management is so bad.
Sheltons boss told him he was the closer so he did what his boss asked. Although Shelton is so stupid he might have used him anyways.
This was a good personnel move.
If he has gained significant weight shame on him.
They should have signed Robertson at least.Teams always need two guys who can close.
Holderman cannot close.Does not have the fortitude.He should really be the 7th inning and no later.
I doubt that Santana has it either,but he deserves a chance.
They need to put Carmen in the pen which is probably why Harrington was added to be the fifth starter.
I think that Borucki or Ferguson may be able to close even if they are lefthanders.
I always liked Delay but he cannot really hit enough to be a long term backup on a good team.
Of course the Pirates are not a good team.
Their outfield defense is bad.Infield pretty decent.Mistakes occur often though.
I hope that Bednar makes it back and pitches well but even if he does he evidently has only one year of control left which means that he would be either traded or extended.
Santana has done nothing for Pirates fans to doubt him, I think he will do a good job
Santana gave up a run last night on just 2 hits.
If that trend continues he wouldn’t be any better than Bednar
Shelton was smart in putting him in at the end of the game to see if he can close.Holderman had three chances two years ago and blew them.I would give Santana three chances to see how he does.
? Forget pitching! 4 or 5 have to hit in this lineup or it’s going to be over early! This is crazy, same stuff every year! All changed in 80 or so. Don’t develop hitters anymore. Fan since 67, thank God for alcohol!
Have to think Yorke and Griffin are good enough to play on this team right now. I understand why Konnor will be on the minor leagues for a couple years, but I don’t see why Yorke isn’t on the active roster.
cuz his spring was less than exciting
It’s still only spring training numbers, and we all know that doesn’t mean a player is in store for a good/bad season based on good/bad spring training results. I’d rather see him here than Valdez, especially if Gonzales is going to be out for longer than the 10-15 days they originally set him on.
MLB-They may have brought Valdez up to see how well he plays.If he does not play well fairly quickly then they can more easily move him off the 40 man roster.
If Yorke tanks they would not release him and still have to carry him on the 40 man roster.
Gorski had a nice spring, where is he at?
Davis had a nice one too
Stop trying to make Gorski Davis happen
this team needs offense. If you think Valdez is the answer then maybe you should try another profession.
This is a wake up call to all the underperforming players on this roster.
Or it could be a move made out of desperation by a GM who has failed miserably in his job.
Maybe both.
it’s an annual wake up call for every player demoted or released
And nothing changes, they continue to lose
Now dfa Shelton and cherrington and nutting
Low payroll teams: Trade your relievers when they’re good!!! They could really use the stud hitting prospect they could have gotten for him, doncha think?
Rooting for Bednar… and the Bucs (but not against my Pads!)
Hopefully he can tweak his game a smidgen and come back strong for even more All Star appearances. Go Bucs! (Pads first tho)
🙂
Maybe you guys can get Bednar as well when you trade for Heaney in July.
He seemed to get into jams starting at the end of 2023.
Bednar needs to learn that football slider.
It can move around bowling pin and torpedo bats with ease.
They released Delay because they acquired Canario and needed another 40 man spot. This articles neglects to mention the that.
They put Jones on the 60 day list for Canario.
Harrington needed to be put on the 40 man roster too.
They moved Delay off the next day because the move could be delayed.
Just in..MLB has banned torpedo bats!
Some team can probably get him on a buy low trade maybe Texas.
6 weeks of spring training and all of a sudden Bender needs to work out issues. Then in game number 6 of the season they bring up Harrington to solve thier problems. Shows how sad management is. Panic management never works. Time to get a real Manger and pitching coach. They have had 5 years with no positive results.
Bednar may be an ideal change of scenery candidate. A new organization and a new set of eyes might get him back on track
Jack Suwinski. Henry Davis. Kebryan Hayes
All in the same boat
And knowing this GM, you can have all of them for low A shortstops
another pathetic offensive performance by this Shelton managed team last night
0 runs, p XBH, 0 walks and 15 strikeouts
George-I thought that Jimmy Stewart was dead. Has he come back to life?
This franchise needs a Clarence, sir, because it is run by Mister Potter and Uncle Billy is the manager it needs a Mary Bailey to find the good. Hell, it’d even be nice to have a Violet Bick
You are a young man of various interests.
I consider it a Where’s Waldo puzzle to figure out your newest name!
His fastball velo’s up (97.2 mph vs. 96.6 mph), yet its effectiveness cratered (.256 BA, .459 SLG in 2024 vs. .188 BA, .315 SLG in 2023). This screams a fixable issue—tipping pitches, release point, or spin rate drop (not detailed but inferable)—which Triple-A lets them diagnose off the big-league stage.
If Bednar wasn’t local to Pittsburgh suburb he would have been traded in his “prime”. There was zero reason keeping him on a team going nowhere. The pirates were afraid of backlash if he was dealt but seriously why should they care. They traded Neil Walker and life went on. He is toast and will prob be released or traded. And Endy Rodriguez is nothing special. Somehow people (pirates fans) think he is the future of the pirates catching. Why not try Henry Davis all season??? You don’t have the number 1 draft pick as your third string catcher at this point. If so, then trade Davis. But they won’t. The pirates won’t want to admit he was a bad pick if he stinks so bad, but at the same time they are admitting he was a bad pick considering he is in the minors.
Given the chance, Jason could be a starter for another team.
about time. hopefully he finds whats up. I don’t know if time in AAA will do it given that its been a problem for quite a while.
Probably best to trade him for a mutual change of scenery deal.
Here’s a fan-only thought
Your team is going nowhere. One of your stud pitchers is gone for half the season
They should have done a reliever game today and thrown Skenes is the home opener against the Yankees.
But hey, that’s too much forethought
Shelton is a lot of things, having forethought isn’t one of those qualities
If this was any series other than Yankees and opening day they would have. But since the game is going to have great attendance already they didn’t. They only think about $.
Yep. You nailed it
as of Suwinski’s last 5 plate appearances, he’s struck out 4 times
Including just now with 2 runners on base
As a team, the Pirates have the second most ks in the league and have the second lowest batting average including being last in runs
I see a repeat of 2024 on the horizon
make that 5 strikeouts in 6 plate appearances swinging at pitches nowhere close to his bat
Time to send him back down to AAA again and give someone else the opportunity
make that 6 strikeouts in his last 7 plate appearances
How many more times will they link the wrong Tom Harrington? You think there would be at least some sort of quality check on that.