Rays owner Stu Sternberg is facing pressure to sell the club from MLB commissioner Rob Manfred and “several” fellow owners, according to a report from Evan Drellich of The Athletic. On Thursday, ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported that while no deal was close, a group of businesspeople local to the Tampa Bay area have started to put together ownership groups with their sights set on purchasing the team. Drellich’s report expands on that report, confirming that no sale is close but that “several groups” with ties to Florida have expressed interest in purchasing the club.
Drellich reports that those involved in one group include the family of San Francisco 49ners owner Edward DeBartolo Jr. and former Yankees minority owner Joe Molloy, with Tampa-area business man Dan Doyle Jr. involved in another group. Molloy subsequently confirmed to Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times that he’s leading a group with interest in purchasing the Rays, adding that his group would have interest in pursuing the stadium deal the Rays currently have in place with Pinellas County and the city of St. Petersburg. Notably, Molloy led the Yankees while George Steinbrenner was suspended during the 1990s, while Doyle previously expressed interest in purchasing the Rays back in 2023.
That deal, of course, has been publicly thrown into doubt by clashes between the Rays and the Pinellas County Board of Commissioners. The county delayed a vote in the aftermath of Hurricane Milton that the Rays claim held up the construction process and increased costs, and the club argues that it should not cover those costs on its own despite the deal stating that the Rays will handle any cost overruns. That deal is just weeks away from a key deadline on March 31, just after Opening Day, that requires Sternberg to meet certain obligations if the stadium deal is to proceed.
Given the hostile relationship between Sternberg and local officials, Drellich suggests that it could be difficult to revive the deal if Sternberg allows that March 31 deadline to pass without acting. It’s possible the deal could be revived in some form under new ownership, however, and that appears to be the impetus behind Manfred’s push for Sternberg to either work out the stadium issue or sell the club. Drellich emphasizes the MLB believes strongly in Florida as a viable market despite the lackluster financial showings of the Rays and Marlins since the franchises came into being during the 1990s, and the league seems unlikely to approve relocation out of Florida for Sternberg—or a hypothetical future Rays owner. If the stadium deal in St. Pete falls through, Drellich reports that MLB believes the Ybor City neighborhood in Tampa or perhaps even Orlando could be viable alternatives for the Rays.
As the commissioner’s office looks to pressure Sternberg, Drellich writes that the league could look to take away at least some of the Rays’ revenue sharing dollars, which he notes add up to around $60MM annually. That would be a major blow to the club’s finances, but it’s one that could not be exercised unilaterally by Manfred. Instead, alterations to revenue sharing would need to be collectively bargained during the next CBA negotiations. The current agreement runs through 2026, and when it expires Drellich suggests that Manfred and the league could seek a carve out in the CBA that applies specifically to the Rays that would cut the club off from its revenue sharing dollars if they failed to get a stadium deal done before a certain date. As Drellich points out, the league utilized a similar tactic to pressure A’s owner John Fisher into getting a binding stadium agreement into place by January 15, 2024.
Of course, any pressure tactic that needs to be collectively bargained wouldn’t necessarily have much of an immediate effect given that the end of the current CBA is nearly two years away. With that being said, Drellich does note that Manfred has some ways to financially pressure the Rays and Sternberg at his disposal in the more immediate future: the commissioner’s discretionary fund and supplemental discretionary fund. The distribution of those funds is not publicized, but Drellich notes that the Rays have been a beneficiary and that the payments from those funds are typically in the neighborhood of “several” million dollars, though not quite reaching tens of millions.
It’s unclear to what extent any losses in funding from the league, be they from the commissioner’s discretionary fund or eventual revenue sharing losses at some point in the future, would impact the Rays from a baseball perspective. The club already runs one of the league’s lowest payrolls with their $90MM projected payroll for 2025 ranking in the bottom five in the league per RosterResource. That’s exactly in line with last year’s payroll numbers, but slightly higher than where the club has lived in the past. It wouldn’t be a shock, then, if the losses in funding were passed on in at least some capacity to the baseball operations department.
Infielder Ha-Seong Kim’s $16MM player option is the only guaranteed contract on the Rays’ books beyond this season apart from the Wander Franco contract that is currently going unpaid, but the club does have a number of pricey club options on veterans like Yandy Diaz, Brandon Lowe, and Pete Fairbanks next season. If the club’s baseball operations budget tightens in response to financial pressure from the league, it’s possible the front office could look to move some of those players in the offseason or even at the trade deadline this year depending on the club’s position in the standings.
As Drellich notes, there’s little incentive for Sternberg to lower his asking price for the Rays in order to facilitate a sale. The Rays were estimated to be worth $1.25 billion according to franchise valuations by Forbes last year, and that value figures to have only gone up since then. Even if Manfred and the commissioner’s office begin putting financial pressure on Sternberg to sell, those financial losses would surely pale in comparison to the potential loss in value that would come with selling low on a franchise estimated to be worth more than a billion dollars.
The Dodger ownership could buy him out!!! They own everything else lol
That’s a good idea. They could use the Rays as a AAA team to develop more players to stock the Dodgers roster. Even used that way the Rays would likely win more games than the White Sox.
In the half dozen years, the Rays played in a World Series. Over twenty teams can’t say that.
The Rays have played in 2 World Series, even less teams can say that, too.
It’s so hard to think the marlins have 2 chips
Yet have still never won a division title.
lol, and they lost and have been irrelevant since.
They already are functioning as a AAA team for the rest of the league. One that manages winning records most years.
That’s sort of how Formula 1 operates.
Mustard Tiger
Agree, the Yankees used the KC A’s as their farm team years ago. I remember when they brought a kid named Maris up from KC.
The Dodgers already use the Rays as a AAA team to developer more future Dodgers players. From the GM on down there are ex-Rays players everywhere.
Yet no one is trying to pry the White Sox out of Jerry Reinsdorf’s worthless ownership. Why is that? 121 losses last year. Remember that Reinsdorf brought back that old drunk LaRussa who proceeded to turn the entire team into the crap it is now with the help of Getz who was suppose to be developing minor league talent (of which we have the pitchers but no hitters). Why isn’t MLB riding Reinsdorf out on a rail? Because he is one of the inside guys so the White Sox can continue to suck and see less and less people come to see their less than worthy team……..
Yeah! They could use Tampa as like their quadruple A team since they are so stacked all the way down to peewee ball these days!
What a Concept!
@ copywrite LADQuadrupleA
@LADAAAA
You saw it here first
wifflemeister: No we didn’t. It was already suggested.
Probably the pressure of the roof blowing off
Make the mariners owner also trade the team
To Oklahoma City? We’ve seen that before
I’m talking about you Howard Schultz
“This headline is missing context”
Jagsmanohman:
Yeah, I was thinking the same.
probably bribes
Pressure on the Rays who run a tight ship, but support for the A’s? Talk about inconsistent.
Exactly
Cleveland: The A’s used to be in the same boat with the Rockies and White Sox. Now it’s just the Rox and Sox who refuse to build winning teams. With Colorado, it’s ignorance on the part of the owner to understand what it takes to win. In Chicago, it’s just greed.
The owners clearly don’t want winning solutions. The A’s going to LV is not a winning move. The Rays staying in St. Pete is not a winning move.
I think Colorado knows it has no chance in that division, but it has a great market. They have fantastic attendance. I think their business model is to be a fun experience.
avenger65 — The Rockies problems are largely the Climate issues. 5000 feet above sea level for the Rockies… Arizona and Atlanta are both just over 1000 feet…and the other 27 teams are under 1000.
Everybody knows of the “Coors Field” effect. It is because Baseball is So uniquely affected by environmental conditions (temp, air currents, air moisture) the Extreme environment of Denver vs. rest of the leagues Altitudes, makes playing/perfecting Baseball in Particular, almost a fools errand for the conditions.
Players that play there can adapt to the conditions…but then have to adapt to lower altitudes for 3-12 games, then 3-12 games at 5000 feet, then lower, then higher, then…
With such inconsistent conditions to play through, it’d be hard to ever find season long consistency. The obstacle to success in Denver, for a MLB team, is unnegliable.
Denver is SUCH an outlier. It’s literally 4 times higher then 2nd highest!
((4 times larger is also the population difference between NY & LA and the 3rd largest Chicago!! But THAT can be mitigated by rules…air density, not so much))
Based on what? your gut intuition? LV is certainly a healthier market than that rat hole Oakland. And its certainly far more business friendly than any city in California.
Truist Park, the home of the Atlanta Braves, is located at an elevation of approximately 300 feet (91 meters) above sea level.
Chase Field, the home stadium of the Arizona Diamondbacks, is located at approximately 1,100 feet (335 meters) above sea level.
Target Field, the home of the Minnesota Twins, is located at an elevation of approximately 810 feet (253 meters) above sea level.
American Family Field, home of the Milwaukee Brewers, is located at 800 ft (244 meters) aboce sea level.
Great American Ball Park, home of the Cincinnati Reds, is located at an elevation of approximately 400 feet (122 meters) above sea level.
The altitude at Busch Stadium in St. Louis, Missouri, where the St. Louis Cardinals play, is approximately 385 feet above sea level.
The Rangers new stadium is around 600 ft above sea level but I could find no official altitude.
LV is a smaller TV market with a smaller population base, lower income levels, higher overall crime, and less opportunity for businesses to be involved in supporting the team since any gambling interest cannot buy sponsorships, suites, or even tickets.
The problem in Oakland for the A’s is the same one as it will be in Las Vegas, John Fisher.
Keep in mind that the ballpark in Oakland was approved. The EIR was complete. The inevitable lawsuits were over. The building permits had been approved. $600 million in taxpayer money had been approved on a $12 billion project that Fisher would have had control over. All that was left was for him to sign off on it and he came back at the 11th hour and asked for more taxpayer money. It was the 3rd time he torpedoed a deal in the bay area at the last minute. John Fisher has always been the problem, not the city of Oakland or the bay area.
The Dodgers went belly up under the parking lot mogul and MLB ripped the team from him and sold it to an ownership that had a printing press that could press million dollar bills.
Meanwhile Selig’s buddies the Wilpons went broke and MLB stood on it’s head to prop those broke a*s fools up for years…. even floating them loans to keep the lights on and staffing their front office for them.
MLB, Selig, Manfred could have forced a sale of the A’s to one of the many Bay Area Billionares interested in buying the team and building the A’s a New Stadium in the Bay Area with their own private funds.
Example: Joe Lacob Warriors Owner.
Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme wiped a huge amount of Wilpons’ fortune. At the time, Wilpons fell below the financial threshold to own a MLB team in the largest market in the USA.
The “Old Boys” Network Lead by Bud Selig let the Wilpons recover their vast amount of lost money frorm thier Madoff losses Madoff, by running the Mets like the Oakland A’s of Tampa Rays and pocketing the huge Mets profits/ revenues from operating in NYC instead of using it to build championship competitive teams,.
The A’s are good at building nice stadium renderings and pretending it’s possible to open to 2028. The Rays aimed low with their stadium deal and are threatening to back out of that. Easy to see which one embarrasses the owners more and makes their hand look weaker in extorting their own stadium deals.
How do you like the white roof on those renderings? Should make catching flyballs so easy. LMAO.
I think that the Rays have hardly embarrassed the league compared to the fiasco moving the A’s.
There was a deal and tragedy reopened it. I hardly fault the current owner from balking when the city’s priorities shifted. Plus consider if another storm hits the new development over it’s lifetime, it’s not something you want to deal with.
Both owners are embarrassments.
It might be at this point better to say which owners aren’t embarrassments.
I don’t recall the Rays owner’s name being bandied around until this rumor. Meanwhile the A’s Fisher has been in the news for a lot longer.
The city held up their end of the bargain. Of course they weren’t gonna approve it right after the hurricane because of the optics, but the agreement stipulated they had 1 year to approve. The tantrum by the owner over the delay makes no sense when he signed an agreement giving the city the ability to take up to one year to approve.
Why would the owner act that way if it makes no sense? It’s possible something has changed we aren’t privy too.
MLB, Selig and Manfred, Giants and Fisher sabotaged the A’s viability in the Bay Are, repeatedly.
how come manfraud didn’t force Fisher to sell or Sherman to sell MLB commissioner owners are so full of it not saying this isn’t the right move but what makes this situation special?
I hope they force Sherman to sell to Mas
You can add Huntington to that list as well. I’m not defending Sternberg’s lack of spending but at least he’s found a way to keep his team competitive despite a low payroll
That’s not sternberg he just cares about money the rays are smart because they were forced to become smart due to him
Add nutting and Fischer to the list and make sure rubenstein has a spot once a few years pass
I actually feel fortunate for my team to have a 140-150 mil payroll
Both of those owners should be forced out too. Two wrongs don’t make a right
Because the A’s are moving to Vegas where they (and the other owners) will be printing money.
They are already hippocrites being in bed with gamblers.
seamaholic 2;
For a year or two. Until the locals that moved there from out of the area realize that they’re rooting for a small market team in a league where the revenue sharing is a joke so team payroll discrepancy assures they can’t complete most years. Meanwhile fans from large market teams complain that they’re being penalized by the “cheap” owners even though their revenues after sharing are 2-3 times those of the small market teams.
People that moved to LV from other markets (the majority of the population) will subscribe to a streaming service and watch the team from the market they came from on it.
Printing money? Uh, no.
Tickets to games will be excellent giveaways for casinos and plenty of away fans will plan their trips to Vegas to align with when their team will be there. I wouldn’t call this genius, but it’s a solid business plan. The trick will be easy access to the stadium from the strip.
fans will plan their trips to Vegas
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Absolutely. I go to LV anyway, so a RS game will definitely be in the plans. I know it’s not in the plans now, but every casino should own multiple season tickets.
Imagine a world where you book online, and see a button that adds 2 tickets for your favorite team?
I don’t think so. The Golden Knights have fantastic fan numbers.
Moving to a much smaller market doesn’t equate to printing money
LV Mayor said they would be happy with an expansion franchise.
There was no need to move the A’s.
The Need was to sheet can Fisher by pressuring him to sell the A’s.
Because you don’t do that all at once and create turmoil amongst the owners. Manfred (Rays) and MLBPA (A’s) are targeting one franchise at a time to gain their respective constituent votes to take action.
I imagine all of the things we don’t know about is what makes this situation special. It doesn’t reach the stage of a report like this if a lot of stop signs were blown through along the way
Just put ads on your jersey chest and back (below the number) like the football team in europe does, certainly will add more income to your team.
Niel: They’ve already started with baseball. It’s subtle so far with patches on the shoulders, like the kraken logo on teams here and in Europe. Eventually the player’s uniforms will look like NASCAR.
As long as the team put the money back to invest for the team, i really dont mind the player uniform will look like Nascar car.
Scuderia Ferrari even get a 100M USD per year from HP for their logo in their F1 car this year
motorsportweek.com/2025/01/07/ferrari-f1-sponsorsh…
“More to come…”
The short answer is that Stu wants to exit his ownership of the Rays as profitably as possible, and that requires a new stadium funded as much by the government as possible (and things aren’t working out for him in that regard). MLB nixed his BS split-city plan a few years ago, and now they won’t let him relocate from the Tampa/St. Pete area. The best Stu has been able to do locally required the Rays to bear all cost overruns in building the stadium and with all the hurricane damage in the area, those costs have soared. Stu wants out of that deal because it’s no longer all that profitable for him, but MLB wants the Rays to remain in the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area because it’s too big a market to vacate. Stu has responded by poisoning relations with the community as much as possible with the hope that things get so bad MLB will have to let him relocate. There are March 31st deadlines for the Rays to meet to keep the new stadium deal alive and most assume the Rays won’t make the deadline. What happens then is anyone’s guess, but MLB clearly doesn’t like the gamesmanship being played by Stu.
When you aren’t bothered to read, it’s a sure sign of ignorance.
Sigh… MLBTR comments always such a cesspool of jerks and a-holes.
@jags
we cant be responsible for your lack of reading comprehension when there is more than 5 words.
Just like the Make Authoritarianism Great Again shtick.
Thanks for this. It’s adds some details. It sucks to have a bad owner problem.
If you have to ask, you wouldn’t understand.
Or because I like to responsibly and generously support the site’s efforts and content and not be a freeloader like you.
Well as they say, it takes one to know one.
You must have been born on the highway since that’s where most accidents happen.
MLB also doesn’t want him to relocate because they want two expansion franchises sold and on the way to new markets before Manfred retires in 2029.
Sell the team and get it out of Florida. Tampa has been a great team for so many years but nobody goes to the games.
I’m tired of them saying it’s because of the location that it’s hard to get to. I drive 2 hours to watch my MLB team and have no issues with that.
Their stadium wasn’t even hard to get too.
I haven’t ever met someone who says they are rays fans or marlins fans, I’ve only met heat fans and dolphins and buccaneers and lightning and panthers
Also traffic is a big reason why no one goes to the game on top of time of day on a workweek
No worse than what Braves fans have to deal with.
The tv ratings prove otherwise. If people are watching… then they care. That means the problem is caused from elsewhere
The more you talk the more the InCel comes out, mate.
Fans of a few other teams would like the same treatment, please
Does anyone ever fact-check anymore? Edward DeBartolo no longer owns the San Francisco 49ers, having given up control of that NFL club following his conviction on bribery charges in 2000.
NFL wanted Eddie out when he started investing in Riverboat gambling casinos. Now, NFL and MLB are going “all in on gambling”?!
Soooo many things. Since the Trop was destroyed, the Rays relationship with the community has frayed to the point of no return. It’s pretty clear Stu doesn’t want to own a team in St. Petersburg, and MLB won’t let him relocate. There is a deadline at the end of March for the Rays to put up or shut up on many commitments tied to the new stadium, and most assume the Rays won’t meet the deadline. What happens after that is anyone’s guess.
Why can’t he go to Tampa? Why are the owners ganging up when clearly St. Pete isn’t a great spot for visitors.
St. Pete is a great spot for visitors. It’s not a great spot for Tampa residents to commute to.
I meant people who are fans who want to see their team play after work. Not people showing up randomly from out of town.
What does that even mean?
I didn’t get it either, though it was alliterative
Excuzes-moi tu parle trés mal
Don’t make fun of him. Calling everything bad in his life “woke” is all he’s got.
mp2891: I wish Manfred and the rest of the owners felt the need to go after owners who are indifferent to their team, their team’s fans, the city and the integrity of the game. When are the Gang of 31 gonna get rid of Reinsdorf?
I keep waiting for the day when this country wakes up, realizes we don’t have time for your buzzwords, because you know, most of us actually contribute to society and aren’t deadbeat Southerners and kick you losers to the curb where you belong.
It’s amazing how you’re simultaneously superior to everyone and yet can’t compete with anyone.
Just don’t even give him an audience. If you just mute him, he’ll either continue to post and no one will ever respond, or he’ll just simply vanish, as if he was never here to begin with.
He’s a troll just gotta follow the simpsons advice via catch jingle when advertisements were physically destroying Springfield: “just don’t look”
Hey troll, go back to your bridge!
This country definitely needs to wake up, but in a different way than you’re referring to.
It means anything he types is not worth reading. Jagoff is why the mute button was created.
English dude..English!!!
what a stupid thing to say, you people are so deranged you will call everything you don’t like woke, when in fact you are just against respecting other people, even to the point of claiming a deal to buy a baseball team is somehow woke, perhaps you’re just an idiot
nope, that’s not what that means, try again
Seamaholic every time someone starts up with woke, all I can think of is a video I saw of a guy having an absolute hissy fit about Jack Daniels being woke and destroying a bunch of JD memorabilia he had. It’s hilarious and worth watching if you can find it.
PITTSBURGH and Nutting should be the target>
@jags well, how does “woke cope nonsense” apply to this story?
Jagsmanohman you should consider changing your handle to Butthurt247. You seem like the kind of person that angrily talks crap for no good reason and then when somebody calls you out on it, you say that you were just kidding and they should learn to take a joke. Disgruntled coward energy.
Just kidding!
Avenger65
Add Nutting to that list of indifferent owners
Idiot
You are the idiot here.
You act like the statement “Woke crap nonsense” is clear to your issue. It’s not exactly a black and white statement that ties into what any one of us read, so reading comprehension is not the issue here… the issue is your lack of communication about whatever your problem is.
“Deadbeat southerners” replace “southerners” with a group you like and you would be screaming about racism.
this ain’t woke, but woke does suck. go woke, go broke.
Obviously you don’t know where the word “woke “ originated from.
It’s derived from the civil rights movement when minorities were treated unfairly
Avenger, you misspelled S-t-a-n-t-o-n.
While the “indifferent” owners in Pittsburgh, Sacramento, Miami, Milwaukee, Denver and Seattle should all be compelled to sell, it would be even better for the sport if the Guggenheim Group, Steve Cohen and Hank Steinbrenner all left the game
Or nutting
Rays stuck in a stew.
Jags – It’s Stu’s threat to walk away from the existing stadium deal that has ticked off MLB.
MLB wants a longterm plan for the Rays, which means either him selling or building a new stadium. And most importantly, MLB wants the team to remain in Florida.
I’ve been saying for years Stu has wanted an excuse to move. He wanted attendance and revenue to stay low. Even if the hurricane never happened, he would have done his best to get out of a new stadium in St Pete.
Fever Pitch Guy:
OK, so he’s the mean owner of the Indians in the movie Major league. Lol.
Mike – Exactly!! I’ve been bringing up that analogy for years! Although one difference is Rachel wanted the team to lose, but Stu loves his postseason revenue …. he just wants attendance to be low enough to justify moving.
But I don’t think the Rays players will make a cardboard cutout of Stu with removable pieces of clothing ;O)
Fever Pitch Guy:
LOLLLL
I dislike Stu, he’s condescending and arrogant, but the reasons he wants out are the same reason baseball fans from places other than Tampa/St pete want them out: the Rays lack of attendance.
Although, most of those fans are just jealous of the team’s ability to win; when their own well attended clubs wallow in mediocrity.
Orlando is best site for a new stadium and team. Owner of Magic has talked about purchasing the seam and movie in the area of Kia Center located in downtown area
In what way? That’s not how I remember him as a player.
This Jagsmanohman just speaks what he wants to and adds in “woke” and modern-day lingo to make himself look cool while liking his own comments each and every time.
Oh, so BITA is back againnnn?!
So does this come down to the MLB is unhappy that Sternberg isn’t working well with Pinellas County and want to stop a potential move? From the little details I can find it looks like last month Pinellas County accused the Rays leadership of lying and trying to profiteer off the hurricane.
I’m surprised that MLB would really be that concerned about keeping the franchise where it is.
They want the market but also theoretically want to keep Nashville and/or Charlotte open for future expansion (it’s going to happen eventually) would be my guess
Yes, and they don’t want to move the Rays because Nashville and Charlotte will have to pay a massive expansion fee vs. a relocation.
Lying and profiteering off a hurricane isn’t enough for you? People lost their homes and billionaires using this as leverage should not be acceptable. They should be forcing more owners to sell, not less. Let’s make MLB competitive again. Rays should be a consistent winner with the pipeline they’ve built. No pity for these investment bankers from me
Who’s pitying them? I’m tired of these teams claiming they’re bringing more to the communities they’re in than they get out of it. I’m just surprised that MLB might be trying to play peacemaker.
It’s real simple. The locals either want to chip in to fix the ballpark or they no longer want the team that will go elsewhere. The cost is the cost of the repair estimate and nothing more.
The rest is all bovine excrement, mostly local politicians being blowhards to score some kind of political points.
There are more teams that MLB needs to get tough with. There is a lot of income discrepancy with local TV deals but there are a lot of teams like the one I follow that are ridiculous when it comes to payrolls around 100 million passing up needed talent when they have spent 130-140 million in the past.
Why would they be forcing him to sell? The team is consistently good unlike the Marlins, who are a fiasco, and the As, who are owned by a mercenary.
Edit: got some explanatory comments, thanks
Stu rocked the boat, how or why will come out soon enough
Jagsmanohman;
B-I-N-G-O!
Both on and off the field.
It’s not a sport, it’s entertainment. “Fans’ look at the back of individual baseball cards, then argue about how much players are getting by looking at those numbers. They watch the highlights and only played the sport on a computer.
“Take me out to the ballgame
Buy me some gourmet food and mixed drinks
Got to get this years team hats and jersey’s
Don’t care if it takes 5 months to pay off my credit card”
Those numbers you speak of are the one thing that make baseball interesting to me. Without the stats it’s pretty boring.
I agree on the stats. BB is not an ‘effort’ game like the other three majors. The thing I loved about Chrebet and Keyshawn was that they’d hit anything that moved. You can’t capture that in a stat.
In BB, 98% of the game can be predicted thru some fairly simple stats.
Sell to the Nashville group please and thank you!! A team here would crush it.
Raleigh or Charlotte would be better.
Mount Pilot would be even better.
how about mayberry?
Nashville will get the white sox who have always been treated like a red headed stepchild in their own city. Chicago was better at supporting 2 teams when the country’s demographics were much different. The south has caught up to the Midwest in many ways
When they first built the stadium in Tampa-St.Pete around 1990, I remember they were trying to lure the White Sox and the Giants to move there.
Certainly possible. The White Sox are gonna get a new owner inevitably because Reinsdorf is so old, it would not surprise me if they leave Chicago within 5 years.
Nashville needs a bad baseball owner so much!
Avery rich area with what seems to be a very cheap owner, but they win. So ?
MLB needs to give up the idea that Tampa is good place for baseball when they don’t sell out and have attendance problems..
The problem is Tampa *could* be a good place for Baseball if they get a downtown stadium rather than one off the beaten path
The Braves stadium was moved out of downtown Atlanta and is off the beaten path and it works great for them.
Odds are pretty good that it’s not a horrible commute to the Braves ballpark
It’s not. Accessible from downtown and the northern parts of the metro. Freeways going every direction with easy access from the stadium.
It’s not a horrible commute to Tropicana either. Did it many times when I lived down there. A horrible commute would be trying to get into New York or Boston with horrendous traffic.
Braves moved closer to where the demographics showed most of their regular lived and worked..
No they moved to where they could build an entertainment complex that they weren’t allowed to build in downtown Atlanta.
Little bit of both, but it’s a much more family friendly area than Turner Field and Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium
As a Mets fan, I have thoroughly enjoyed both Turner Field and Truist park. If you build quality and make it worth the fans money the fans will come in droves.
Mets, hard to argue against what SFO said when the Braves said that the reason they wanted to move there was because it was within 12 miles of where 70% of their season ticket holders lived. Location, location, location.
Why did Billy Joel’s “Pressure” immediately pop into my head when i started reading this…
Because you are old.
Literally if every other mlb teams stadium was damaged all 29 others would repair it
Something is not right with the ownership when they refuse to repair their stadium and prefer to play in the spring training park of THEIR DIVISION RIVAL
They lease the stadium. If you rent a house and the roof blows off it’s not the person who lives there responsibility. The city voted to not fix it. In no world is that the rays fault
sad tormented: I believe the damage was so extensive that it couldn’t have been repaired in time for opening day. That’s not the team’s or owner’s fault.
Blue – You’re half right.
Yes they couldn’t repair it in time for this season, but the lease specifically states the LANDLORD is responsible for repairs to the facility.
Ironically the agreement that was in place for the new stadium has the Rays responsible for repairs.
FPG: But I would be surprised if the contract didn’t have a clause covering “Acts of God” exempting the landlord from such responsibility.
Blue – Hurricanes wouldn’t be included in “Acts of God” since they are so common in Florida.
And I believe I read some articles months ago referencing the city and county are on the hook for repairs. In fact it made big news when they reported the insurance coverage was drastically reduced on the current policy renewal.
Regardless, MLB’s issue is with the longterm plans ….. not short term.
@Jagsmanohman
Chill out bro it’s obvious you’re Sternbergs burner. You’ve never commented as much as you have on this subject. They want him to sell because he’s a bad look for trying to sabotage the Tampa stadium. He was silly to put it in St. Petersburg again. Everyone can tell he’s using the hurricane as an excuse to play in a spring training stadium when he could’ve gotten any number of better outcomes. He’s a bad look on mlb
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Now if they can put some pressure on Bob Nutting the owner of the Pirates to sell the team
Because he’s playing in a stadium below AA quality. Come on Stu you should understand
While they’re in the mood, maybe they can pressure Moreno to sell the Angels too.
Seems like easiest solution is let the Rays move to Jacksonville.
I don’t see why they can’t. Larger city. Larger market. Strong fan base as evident by the Jacksonville jaguars.
Can you do that with the Pirates?
How many people have to explain it to you?? Because he is SABOTAGING the efforts to get the new stadium that he claims he needs.
And why was there no similar pressure on John Fisher of the formerly Oakland A’s?
Because the Former Owner Wolfe was a Fraternity/drinking pal of Bud Selig @ Univ of Wisconsin.
Fisher came in with Wolfe
Wolfe retired.
Fisher was allowed by MLB to take over the A’s in a “no bid” sale/transfer
when more qualified, more wealthy buyers wanted to buy the A’s and build a New A’s Stadium with private money in the Bay Area.
MLB’s “stadium deals” are based on a “public funding model” where local taxpayers get “hosed” and Team Owner gets a huge windfall for his private business.
CA teams have bucked that model in many sports opting for private financing of New Home venues.
Sounds like your high estrogen is making you upset about your sports rumor website. Maybe you should take an anti woke cope pill and go hit the weights and take some extra T and just hulk up and be a big strong MAN!
Have to be really a dumb investor (or investors) to buy an MLB franchise in Florida with the condition that he/she/they aren’t allowed to move it out of the state.
Sure, there must be people lined up wanting to be an MLB owner whereby they spend at least a few billion dollars to own a sports franchise in a market in which the majority of the local baseball fans will be watching the home team from the market they moved from play games on steaming video. They’ll only consider showing up for games in person if: 1) The team they root for is playing the Florida team; or 2) The Florida team got to at least the 2nd round of the playoffs.
The best thing to say for Manfred’s administration is that at this time he hasn’t totally sold out the integrity of what was once a sport, as Adam Silver has with the NBA. However, Manfred appears to be determined to catch up to Silver.
Any Rays stadium should be in Tampa…you know, where the most people are.
Three / four years ago Manfred stated that the watered down MLB would be expand as soon as the Rays’ and A’s situations were stabilized. He then took action.
This season one franchise is playing their games in a minor league park, while the other is slated to play theirs in a spring training facility.
They way the guy keeps his job, one would think he’s a government employee.
It’s not watered down at all. There are more great players to fill out the rosters with than ever before. It was watered down around 1945, when it was just white guys from a much less populous America playing.
Teams owners have been paying Manfred a $25M annual salary. He wants expansion to be set in motion by 2029 when he plans to retire. Both are likely to happen.
He keeps his job because he’s a genius. MLB is printing money. They’ve made several rule changes that have been very popular. They’ve had no missed labor time in 30 years. They’ve gotten new stadiums. And by the time Manfred retires, they will have two more teams.
Manfred makes the other commissioners look like casuals.
Yeah, well, because for stock traders and businessmen, Manfred is a good owner. For baseball lifers and fans, he’s not.
Manfred has completely dropped the ball on the A’s stadium situation and location.
Could have had an New A’s stadium10-15 years ago if Selig and Manfred had not been setting up roadblocks and sabotaging the
A’s economic viability in the Bay Area.
Warriors Owner Joe Lacob who built a New Warriors Arena in SF has an open offer for 15+ years to buy the A’s and build a New privately financed A’s stadium in the SF Bay Area
A lil incomprehensible that the A’s can leave the 6th largest media market for the 29th, the White Sox can threaten to leave the 3rd largest media market for the 35th (ahead of only Milwaukee!), but owners draw the line at Sternberg trying to get out of TB. I don’t have a dog in this race and I’m sure SS is doing some slimeball pitches in light of hurricane damages, so my heart doesn’t break for him, either. Just lays bare the whole taxpayer-funded stadium shell game driving franchise evaluations.
If they actually get a stadium built, the A’s are moving to the 40th largest media market.
The owner of the A’s should have been first on the list.
Why didn’t Manfred and the owners put the same pressure on John Fisher?
Because Fisher was partnered with Bud Selig’s University of Wisconsin Fraternity brother Lew Wolfe who then retired and turned over the A’s to the worst owner in MLB John Fisher..
Selig then Sabotaged the Reggie Jackson, Bill Gates, Paul Allen, John McCaw A’s Ownership group from buying the A’s.
How is Oakland not in this conversation as well. Their owner has no business in THE business.
The Old Boy Network of MLB Owners see above posts/
Sternberg is toast now drawing the ire of the good old boys club. Once you’re out, you’re out. Don MLB and Consigliere Manfred have spoken. They don’t want the Rays leaving Tampa/St. Pete and Sternberg doesn’t want to stay.
Stu lost all credibility nearly 6 years ago when he laid the Montreal split season scam on the fans. Was never going to happen, it was all a smoke and mirror show to pressure a new stadium on the taxpayers, which he actually got, but in the same terrible location that was the main reason for the lack of attendance.
This feels like a danged if you do, danged if you don’t situation- the team can’t/won’t be allowed to be relocated, the location it has isn’t very effective for a team trying to play at this level…. I don’t think changing owners will do much, but I get it- when a company is suffering due to outside influences they can’t control, often times the CEO will have to fall on the sword as the public face of the company- the implication that a new CEO/ownership group will breath life into something that is effectively not going to change and is constricted by its circumstances so new leadership won’t move the needle much anyway… but hey I guess this is one of those optics things where its the tone of the act- forcing him to sell the team- which is more important than the reality of the actual impact of the change, other than symbolic/performative.
The league is fine with what the A’s have done, but not the Rays. Interesting.
Can fellow owners get in touch with John Stanton and his band of cowards and sell the Mariners to someone who’s got some balls???
Sternberg built a winning organization on a shoestring and he is being pressured to sell.
Fisher lies constantly and sucks at the teat of revenue sharing and he gets put on the executive committee.
Something is wrong with this picture.
South Florida is not a viable baseball location. Baseball execs should have picked up on that in the last 30 years. Yes, the stadium is in a horrible location but anywhere outdoors is a horrible location in the summer with the humidity. Could you imagine being crammed into a stadium in 95 degree heat with 100% humidity in August? No way and I lived in South Florida for 10 years. A dome might get it done but who wants to watch baseball in a dome? Face it baseball just won’t work there. They need to move that team. Send em to San Antonio, Nashville or Portland.
Both the rays and marlins need to leave Florida
What I want to know is why this “pressure” isn’t being directed towards Bruce Sherman?
For all of Sternberg’s shortcomings, I would be inclined to guess that more damage to the concept of Florida baseball would be caused by the owner of a team that hasn’t had more than one full winning season since 2009 and isn’t expected to have another one any time soon.
Oh..but let’s let John Fisher keep his historic franchise.
Now we need this with John Stanton and other mediocre MLB owners holding back their front offices by being penny pinchers
You know for being a former lawyer, Manfred is really angling to get MLB sued. Threatening to cut off revenue sharing, refusing to approve a relocation, and pressuring the owner to sell are going to get the league in a boat-load of trouble. They gave Fisher and the A’s a pass, but are determined to play hardball with the Rays. The team has really never succeeded in Tampa Bay. Even during their most competitive years they have ranked near the bottom of attendance (5 playoff appearances in the last 6 years), and they’re no-where near getting a new stadium (and the old stadium is essentially gone). Manfred’s tenure has become defined by his own ego and arrogance. What Manfred wants, he’s going to try and get, by any means necessary.
Would love to see and hear Manfred and Selig under oath in depositions as to how they repeatedly sabotaged the A’s viability as an MLB franchise in the Bay Area.
While a new ballpark in St. Pete would improve attendance, the area is just not big enough and traveling from is easy enough to sustain decent gates. A far better approach would be to build a domed stadium in Tampa, Orlando or somewhere convenient in between (Lakeland?).
The ideal location is where the Yankees train and the Rays will play this year. Until recently, the rule was a minor league facility must vacate if a MLB franchise wants to move into the area. The Yankees should relocate and allow the Rays to build a state of art domed stadium along side the Tampa Bay Bucs football stadium.
Excellent post. I lived in Lakeland for a few years, and driving to St Pete for a game was a pain. The stadium needs to be built in Tampa.
As an Oakland A’s fan…this news sucks.
I would hope every team owner would see the stupidity of allowing the commissioner to seek team specific carve outs to punish a specific team and force desired results and vote against at it.
This story is potentially very impactful on the game. Baseball in the past has been guilty of picking winners and losers and manipulating the rules to influence desired results, or ignoring rules violations to protect teams and players.
What this story tells me is that the commissioner and (certain owners if forced or convinced) can shop team ownership if they don’t think an owner is playing nice or a prettier option comes along. It certainly stands to reason that the commissioner can go the next step and shop team ownership to people he wants to own teams and replace owners he doesn’t think will do what he wants. Is the Tampa dispute illegality or the breaking of league rules? Is the Tampa owner attempting to use legal means to benefit his team’s concerns? At the moment it looks like the commissioner has what he feels are more likable options to replace a guy that is being a thorn in his side and is willing to single them out, change the rules to punish, potentially cripple, and drive out that owner to get his desired results.
Congress should repeal MLB’s Anti Trust Exemption.
NO reason for MLB to get special treatment that is in affect a subsidy for their multi billion dollar businesses.
Since every other sports league gets the umbrella effect of that decision, it’s all but impossible to change that at this point. Especially with their new best friend…gambling.
The journalism on this site is getting so bad.. they need to go back to their roots.
We get it Ryan, that NBA article deeply affected you.
Haha, that just made no sense, but I guess I can’t cast too much blame with how seemingly desperate for $ they are getting.
This website only relies on advertising and MLBTR front office subscriptions. Not sure how you can define ‘desperate’. A lot of people use this website for news and information, but only one NBA article about the Luka Doncic trade I recall didn’t impress you, though.
Yea, I just figured it was mistakenly posted on this site instead of the basketball one.
I just think they were a better product before they ever had the front office option, as it seems it has diluted the quality of writing. The ads are whatever, they don’t bother me.
Fair point, then. That’s understandable, at least you explained it.
Commissioners are good for only one thing – ruining the game of baseball.
Hey Baron Blue Balls, I never knew you were born on the highway. Now things make sense.
It’s important for MLB to survive the financial stupidity they got themselves into, the Yankees must be in the post season every year and our public taxes must subsidize the team They can’t have lower profit teams such as the Rays keeping them from that goal. Both the Mets and Dodgers found ways for retirement funds to pay for their excess.
HAS MLB BECOME CAPTIVE THE GAMBLING INDUSTRY?!.
Will MLB EXONERATE Black Sox Scandal Players Also?
Will Pete Rose be up for the Hall of Fame and a New Manager’s Job too?!!
Why the long term pressure to force the Oakland A’s out of the 5th largest Annual Gross National Product in Yearly Revenues the Country the San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose Bay Area?!
SF, Oakland, San Jose have a 682B yearly GDP?!
It would have been much easier and much more cost effective to just force A’s Owner Fisher to sell the team to a real businessperson who knows what the Friday he/she is doing..
SF Bay Area (San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose and Suburbs) beats 36 individual US States for Yearly Gross National Product (GDP).
SF Bay Area is the 15th largest GDP in the entire United States when compared to individual US States..
Did MLB, Bud Selig, Rob Manfred, John Fisher and the SF Giants Ownership by their actions and inactions tank the Oakland A’s business viability to set up a phony excuse to move one of baseball’s most storied franchises from the perfectly viable SF Bay Area to America’s Gambling Capitol Las Vegas?!
What if a “Businessman in Name Only like John Fisher cannot succeed in such a very rich and viable market like the SF Bay Area against only one other direct competitor (The SF Giants)?! Then, What if wannabe businesspersons should leave the “heavy lifting” of owning one of the most storied MLB franchises in its history to “real, crackerjack, successful business people and groups?!
What Kind of “PRETZEL LOGIC”” was in play to tank the economic viability of the Athletics, while heavily subsidizing an, arguably, underqualified Fisher Ownership for years and that ran the A’s out of the Bay Area?!
Former A’s Owner Walter Hass Jr (Levis) ran a successful A’s franchise, built a winner, broke fan attendance records for playoffs games and he did this in spite of Bud Selig, MLB, the SF Giants putting roadblocks in front of him every step of the way in his attempt to build a New A’s Stadium in Oakland, San Jose, Santa Clara County and other places in the SF Bay Area.
And that was After Haas “stepped up” was instrumental in saving the
SF Giants franchise for the Bay Area and even helped line up New Ownership group buy the Giants after Tampa investors had already purchased the Giants and were loading up the moving vans for Tampa.
In the NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED CATEGORY
After SAVING THE GIANTS FROM MOVING TO TAMPA IN THE `1990’s., Why did MLB, Selig, Manfred, the Giants and Fisher get their long knives out and proceed to stab the A’s and its SF, Oakland, San Jose and Suburbs fan base in their backs and engage in the ULTIMATE BETRAYAL of the A’s Storied Franchise, its LOYAL FANS?!
And, Not surprisingly, Numerous Bay Area Billionaires were lining up to buy and build the A’s a New Stadium in Oakland and/or the SF Bay Area including 7.52M potential customers and fans.,
Do these A’s and Rays Ownership situations raise numerous unanswered questions about what transpired with the A’s being forced out of the SF Bay Area and why other options were not explored in “good faith”?!
Was there an “”elephant in the room” for the Oakland A’s stadium and relocation discussions?!
Did the Old Boys All White Country Club Ownership Not want Reggie Jackson to own the A’s for some reason?! (Backed by Bill Gates, Paul Allena and John McCaw enough money to buy the entire league at the tiime)?!
Did MLB (Selig and Manfred) and Fisher feel “out of their comfort zones” negotiating
the Oakland A’s stadium deal with qualified African American and Asian America leaders including Women in Oakland and Alameda County, CA?!
Why did A’s Owner Fisher (and Manfred) tank the Oakland Jack London Square deal for the A’s New stadium when Oakland and Alameda County Officials and State of California officials had gone to great lengths to approve all the funding, complicated CA waterfront building regulations and much more to accommodate the A’s and MLB?!
All of a sudden Fisher wants to bump Oakland and Alameda County’s contributions by 100’s of millions of dollars?!
Was it a Fisher MLB “shakedown”?!
Or Was Fisher and Manfred NEGOTIATING IN “BAD FAITH” all along?!
And, Why did Fisher and Manfred tank the A’s stadium deal in the Coliseum parking lot (build new stadium in parking area, then tear down the old A’s stadium). and tank the San Jose and Santa Clara County deals?!
Was the goal Las Vegas all along and the “negotiations” in the Bay Area all just an elaborate smokescreen while the LV decision had already been made and Fisher and Manfred were just lying all along to Oakland, Alameda County and California officials?!
MLB PAID THE “BIG MARKET A’S APPROXIMATELY 921M in Revenue Sharing from 2015-2023.
The A’s received approximately 100M Revenue Sharing in 2024.
And the A’s are projected to receive 100M in 2025.
And, the Mayor of Las Vegas Stated in a Press Conference that she did not want to “take away Oakland’s team”.
She stated that Las Vegas would be happy with an MLB expansion team in Las Vegas!
And, the A’s are projected to get 100+M per year in revenue sharing in the much smaller Las Vegas Market./
AND GET THIS, THERE IS EVEN MORE:
MLB is “WAIVING THE A’s 300M “Relocation Fee to :Las Vegas?!
= 1.125B in MLB SUBSIDES FOR THE A’s THAT WILL CONTINUE FOR AN INDEFINTIE PERIOD OF TIME IN LAS VEGAS?!
And, the A’s are just “renters” and “tenants” in the proposed LV stadium?!
It looks like MLB and its Commissioner(s) are just making very bad and costly decisions by forcing the A’s to move to Las Vegas?!
Does Fisher have compromising pictures from the Owners meetings or something on the Owners and Commissioner?!
Inquiring minds want to know the truth.
Fisher should have been forced to Sell the A’s long ago.
OR. Fisher should have been blocked by MLB from ever owning the A’s in the first place.
Close to 1. 2 BILLION DOLLARS FLUSHED DOWN THE TOILET TO TO KEEP FISHER OWNER OF THE A’s., but other MLB Owners like Frank McCourt (Dodgers) and Rays Ownership pressured to Sell their teams!?
Too Much!
Bad Business Decisions by Selig, Manfred and MLB?!
Don’t send me their resumes.
You sure do like to write but you lost all credibility when you confuse GNP and GDP yet you use them to cite statistics and they are two completely different things. Oakland benefits from being lumped into the west side of the SF Bay Area (San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose and Suburbs) but it is nowhere close to being an economic engine.
You obviously, don’t understand MLB “2 Team markets” in 1 City or Metropolitan Area and the concept of “equally shared territories”
by 2 MLB teams in the same market.
If you are New to MLB Trade Rumors, then Google it.
MLB Trade Rumors, Posters
and numerous local, Stae, Regional and National publications have discussed these issues in length.
Google it.
A’s had a 50/50 split of fan territories in SF Bay Area with Giants.Ro save the Giants for SF Bay Area and stop their move to Tamoa in the 1990’s former A’s Owner Haas /A’s loaned their 50% to Giants for Giants to build new stadium in Santa Clara County AND/ OR
San Jose.
A’s former Owner Walter Haas
(Levis)
loaned the A’s 50% of certain Bay Area territory to save Giants for SF Bay Area with understanding the Giants would build there new stadium in Silicon Valley/ Santa Clara Until part of it was ripped off by the Giants reneging on the loan of the A’s 50% of Silicon Valley oart of the shared territory.
Bud Selig stated that Walter Haas/ A’s acted ” in the Best interests of Baseball, but that Haas fully expected the 50% territory the A’s loaned the Giants to be returned to the A’s after the Giants built their New stadium.
The New Giants stadium was built in San Fran Wisconsin, NOT San Jose/ Santa Clara County/ Silicon Valley.
So the entire basis for the A’s loaning the Giants their 60% of Santa Clara County/ Silicon Valley bever even came to pass
Then, the A’s, IN A MAJOR DOUBLE CROSS BY MLB and the Giants were blocked from building a New A’s Stadium in Santa Clara County/ Silicon Valley such as the proposed ” Cisco Field” in downtown San Jose.
Shared Territory 2 MLB teams
Yankees -Mets
Cubs-White Sox
Dodgers-Angels
Giants-A’s
You are in the wrong place/forum.
Archery is in another building and forum entirely.
Yes. I was discussing GDP.
Yes, I know the difference between GDP and GNP.
Gross National product be definition refers to countries, not States.
Yes, I mentioned comparing States
GDP. numerous times so it was obvious to anyone with above average reading comprehension that I was discussing GDP both contextually and by the body and substance of the post.
Reread my post and comprehend the issues I was addressing.
Then, you may address the substance of the issues.
If I accidentally typed GNP a few times when I meant GDP then most intelligent people would pick that up and know that.
I apologize for that oversight when typing at 3AM when I should have been sleeping.
You must be New to MLB Trade Rumors.
Everything I have discussed here I have previously discussed numerous times on MLB Trade Rumors along with many other knowledgeable baseball fans.
The facts and gist of my post(s) remain valid,have been well settled and are not in dispute and have never been in dispute.
If you have time on your hands, then you can Google it and read tons of articles, interviews and watch You Tube videos on it.
OR go through MLB Trade Rumors News stories and group posts for the last 5 years if you have nothing else to occupy your time.
There is a wealth of info on these issues that will bring you up to speed and keep you busy.
We have had 300+ posts every time MLB Trade Rumors posts articles on MLB stadium and possible team relocation issues, including the Oakland A’s Stadium saga, and possible relocation issues have been addressed by MLB Trade rumors.
Are you either a retired teacher?!
Or a frustrated English teacher always correcting everyone on periods, commas etc..
We do have a few of those on this baseball forum who go on and on for dozens of posts about spelling and grammar (yawn!).
(A’s in English, but don’t care about that nitpicking on a baseball forum with busy people in a hurry).
Or Are You Employed by:
MLB?!
John Fisher and West Sacramento A’s?!
The SF Giants?!
The Las Vegas group trying to build a stadium for the A’s?!
That would make more sense.
We do get those types including employees of agents defending their clients on this baseball forum etc…
Maybe, you should swith to decaf
and loosen your tie.
It may be in too tight.
Lol
You wrote it and if I didn’t know the difference between GDP and GNP I wouldn’t have said anything
You think very highly of yourself so please continue to bloviate because you obviously never went to school with professors that always said “Less is More”
You cannot address all the indisputable factual issues that I posted/discussed because you don’t appear to understand the issues at all and just make up non issues as issues.
OK then….Educate yourself
I like the way you neglected to mention that Oakland is one of the most dangerous cities in the United States and its crime rate is twice as high as San Francisco. It’s pretty obvious that your whole point is that you dislike the ownership of the A’s and I feel sorry for you that the A’s are leaving for Las Vegas and what’s it say about Oakland when the Raiders (who have already left) and the A’s who are in the process of leaving for Las Vegas.
Don’t blame the owners or the teams…place the blame where it belongs…corrupt city politics, underfunded police and fire departments and the city being run by criminals
Again, you are “barking up the wrong trees” and clearly don’t even understand the concept of “shared regional territories” in MLB:
New York, Chicago, LA, SF Bay Area.
The one issue that you choose to address in a long list of valid issues/points
is incorrect and wrong..
My Post was not San Francisco v Oakland. and my post was not about crime rates at all.
It discussed the SF/Oakland/San Jose and Suburbs Regional SF Bay Area SHARE TERRITORY of 7.2M+
fan base. for the A’s and Giants.
I never discussed crime rates for SF or Oakland or San Jose or the many suburbs in the 12 County Bay Area…
It would be a New Issue not covered by my previous posts and not a major reason for the A’s move to LV
since the A’s could have built their New Stadium anyplace in the 12 County SF Bay Area much of which has a very low crime rate per capita.
FYI
Las Vegas:
Downtown Las Vegas has a crime rate 93% higher than the national average.(where the New A’s Stadium may be built).
Areas like West Las Vegas and Meadows Village also have higher crime rates.
Again, you address none of the issues that I posted about in a valid manner.
Instead, you go on a tirade against Oakland and post a bunch of completely irrelevant fake news and fake facts that do not pass independent fact checking?!
Oakland was not or never the issue.
The issue was MLB, Selig, Manfred, Fisher, the A’s the Giants sabotaging the A’s Economic viability anywhere in the 12 County SF Bay Area to build its New Stadium.
Your posts indicate you lack knowledge of: “shared territories” in 2 team MLB cities AND you lack a basic understanding of both Regional sports franchises
and the 12 County Bay Area market for pro sports teams.
Learn the facts and the history of the A’s and the Bay Area, then post based on the facts.
MLB REVENUE SHARING GIFTED TO FISHER & A’S FOR THEIR BAD MANAGEMENT OF THE A’s FRANCHISE AS A BUSINESS
= 1.125B in MLB SUBSIDES FOR THE A’s THAT WILL CONTINUE FOR AN INDEFINTIE PERIOD OF TIME IN LAS VEGAS?!
Estimated Revenue Sharing Amounts:
2025 100M (projected)
2024 100M
2023: The A’s were projected to receive around $70 million in revenue sharing.
2024: The A’s received around $90 million in revenue sharing.
2022: The A’s received around $108 million in revenue sharing.
2021: The A’s received around $48 million in revenue sharing.
2020: The A’s received around $111 million in revenue sharing.
2019: The A’s received around $87 million in revenue sharing.
2018: The A’s received around $99 million in revenue sharing.
2017: The A’s received around $108 million in revenue sharing.
2016: The A’s received around $98 million in revenue sharing.
2015: The A’s received around $102 million in revenue sharing
+ WAIVED 300M RELOCATION FEES.
THAT FRATERNITY MEMBERSHIP @ THE UNIV OF WISCONSIN HAS PAID HUGE DIVIDENDS .
Great, do Bob Nutting next
“The league and Commissioner are putting pressure on the Rays to sell, some 18 years after fans first started pressuring the owner.” Fixed the headline
as an A;s fan I feel your pain
Time for Rays fans to print out some “SELL” shirts
Hey Nick! The ‘9’ in 49ers supplies its own ‘n’.
MLB pressure proxy, Orlando Dreamers Group, has entered the chat.
Ok, now do John Fisher.
“As the commissioner’s office looks to pressure Sternberg, Drellich writes that the league could look to take away at least some of the Rays’ revenue sharing dollars, which he notes add up to around $60MM annually.” That’s the pressure.
OMG!!! As an A’s fan I can’t understand why would MLB put “pressure” on the Rays ownership to stay in TB, but they did NOTHING (maybe even facilitated the move) with the A’s ownership (certainly didn’t apply any “pressure”) RIPPING the A’s from Oakland!! My guess is MLB knows they were not very supportive (there were offers to keep the team in Oakland) and they DO NOT WANT ANOTHER FIASCO LIKE THE ONE IN OAKLAND!!. Just woulda been nice to see some “pressure” by MLB instead of making it easier by dropping the relocation fee) BTW as the price tag goes up (probably 2-3 billion due to inflation (tariffs?) The A’s ownership will squirm and whine and do just about everything in their power to deflect some of that somehow.And lets not let this recent “spending spree” make us think they have changed their thinking……remember THEY HAD TO SPEND OR FACE SANCTIONS FROM PLAYERS ASSOC.!!!
MLB, Manfred, Selig,Fisher, SF Giants, Fisher & A’s appeared to be working hard to push the A’s out of the SF Bay Area.
We will only find out the full truth about the dirty dealings behind the scenes if a major lawsuit is filed against MLB, the Giants, Fisher & the A’s, Selig, Manfred etc…
Amazing how the truth comes out in real depositions under oath and under the penalty of perjury.
I think the biggest difference here is that there’s already an offer on the table that the Rays seem to be trolling around with. An offer the Rays likely wouldn’t get elsewhere so easily. This is damaging the image of the league to negotiate in good faith with cities. Correct me if I’m wrong but there were no solid on the table deals from Oakland.
Also, beware of AI and spell check issues
where spelling and entire words can get changed between typing and posting…if you are “on the run”
and don’t have time to re read and fix it.
now that moron Manfred wants to tell an owner, how to run his business. that dude is a hypocrite and a moron.
Let’s punish a team for succeeding at baseball but not at making money, because we’re all about making money. The game be damned.
Deeds stinks at writing. “It wouldn’t be a shock, then, if the losses in funding were passed on in at least some capacity to the baseball operations department.” What a poorly crafted sentence. “Then” adds nothing and should be removed. It only muddies up the syntax.
Summary. Rays got a vote for funding on new stadium. Hurricanes happened, vote delayed till after new election, Stu not happy. City votes to fund new stadium for 700 million. Stu says delay caused extra 150 mil in expenses. City won’t vote on more money. Rays have till 3/31 to reach certain benchmarks on new stadium if those are not reached funding is voided. Manfred and other owners want baseball in Tampa Bay Area with a new stadium especially since they already are going to fund $700 million. Hence pressure since Stu hasn’t budged.
See how MLB, Bud Selig,
Manfred and the SF Giants worked together to DESTROY THE A’s ECONOMIC VIABILITY IN THE SF BAY AREA.
Appeal of Decision in Lawsuit by City of San Jose and Other Parties against MLB, Bud Selig et al
BLOCKING THE OAKLAND A’s from Moving
to Silicon Valley/San Jose where they would be building a BRAND NEW A’s Stadium in Silicon Valley /San Jose, CA.
Did I mention that Former A’s Owner Walter Haas Jr. helped Save the SF Giants for the SF Bay Area by working with Walter O’Malley (former Dodgers Owner) to BLOCK THE GIANTS MOVE TO TAMPA after Tampa investors had purchased the Giants and were loading the moving vans to Tampa?!
And that Haas/the A’s had “loaned” 50% of their shared territory in Silicon Valley/ San Jose to the Giants to help the Giants stay in the SF Bay Area?!
And the Selig acknowledge to the Press that he had numerous discussions with Walter Haas Jr (documented in the Media) aand that they had an “understanding” that Haas and the A’s would get back the A’s Silicon Valley/SanJose territory?!
And.that Seilig, Manfred, MLB and the SF Giants then continuously refused to return the A’s 50% of Silicon Valley San Jose territory to the A’s?!
JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF MANY
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Canada could probably take 2 more teams, Montreal and Vancouver if they could get downtown parks in both. And since the Donald wants it to be the 51st state…..