The Hall of Fame announced a change to its Era Committees eligibility. Beginning with the upcoming year, any candidate on an Era Committee ballot who does not receive at least five of 16 votes will be ineligible for consideration during their era’s next cycle. A candidate who receives four or fewer votes on two separate occasions is ruled permanently ineligible for future consideration.
The Era Committees, formerly known as the Veterans Committee, is the less common path for enshrinement. It is designed to reconsider players who were not elected by the Baseball Writers Association of America. The Era Committees also considers non-players (i.e. managers, executives, and umpires) for induction. The BBWAA voting process is exclusive to players.
In order to be elected, an Era Committee candidate must receive 12 of 16 votes. The voting panel generally consists of longtime coaches and executives, as well as Hall of Fame players. The smaller voting pool means they’ve generally had a slightly lower standard for induction than has the BBWAA, which requires 75% approval from a much larger body of media members.
The Era Committee process is on a rotating three-year cycle. In one year, it’ll consider individuals from the “Classic Baseball Era” — those whose most significant contributions to the sport came before 1980, including veterans of the Negro Leagues. The other two years have subsets of the “Contemporary Baseball Era.” That consists of one year for players whose greatest contributions have come since 1980, and one year for managers/executives/umpires of the same era.
Last offseason considered the Classic Baseball Era. As it does every year, the committee voted on eight candidates: Dick Allen, Ken Boyer, John Donaldson, Steve Garvey, Dave Parker, Vic Harris, Tommy John and Luis Tiant. Allen and Parker each received at least 12 votes and will be inducted this summer alongside the trio of players elected by the BBWAA: Ichiro, CC Sabathia and Billy Wagner. Of the remaining six candidates, only John (seven votes) received at least five votes.
The rule change is not retroactive, so this doesn’t impact any of the other candidates for now. However, under the new system, those who don’t receive five votes will not be allowed on the ballot when their era comes back up for consideration in three years. They may be considered four-plus years later, but falling shy of five votes again would end their Hall of Fame chances for good.
The Hall is hoping to diversify the candidates it evaluates. The logic is presumably that anyone who only receives a handful of votes from multiple committees is unlikely to ever garner serious consideration and should be removed in favor of someone else. In that sense, it’ll serve as an analogue to the sometimes controversial 5% voting threshold necessary for a player to stay on the BBWAA ballot each year.
This December’s class will consider players from the Contemporary Era. Contemporary Era managers/umpires/executives get their turn in 2026. The Classic Era will be up again in 2027.
Can we start having a ballot to remove guys from the early 20th century who got in after a bazillion eras ballots in the past? [ducks]
The Hall of Fame ought to be abolished. The criteria for selection are hopelessly vague. Some voters don’t select a player because, they say, he’s not worthy of a first-ballot induction, resulting in unintended tiers among inductees. Some players are denied induction, only to be selected later by voters who never saw them play. And on and on.
100% agree. The voting system is terribly flawed. Who would vote that Ichrio, Maddux, Jeter and Griffey were not Hall of Famers. Well someone did, they weren’t unanimous. No ballots should be anonymous. I’d hate to see the HOF become watered down, but they could easily double the size and go from 1% to 2% admittance. There’s no reason Jeff Kent isn’t in.
Abolish? It’s just a museum. A museum with a lot of fanfare around what they put in one room of it, but just a museum. The issue is treating it like it’s something more than that.
“The Hall of Fame ought to be abolished.”
Such a bizarre opinion over something you could just ignore. You don’t like how it is put together, so it should be abolished. I guess everyone who enjoys the museum and history can just pound sand, because realsox from the MLBTR comments section doesn’t agree with how the players are selected and therefore, the museum will be demolished.
If it is truly a place to celebrate people who became famous for playing baseball, John Donaldson needs to be in there.
I wish that’s what the HOF was but it’s a popularity contest among a select group of writers/ex players, etc. I hate players like Bonds and Rose but the criteria many in these comments point out are just silly. “Look at that guys head size” look at Mike Trouts head size keep growing. Just because some players got caught doesn’t mean it was all of the users. Many just stayed ahead of testing. Previous players took greenies, now many have adderall scripts so they don’t get Chris Davis’d. Carlos Beltran is a known cheater but he’ll probably make it. Curt Schilling is black balled because of politics or tweets. It’s all high school level BS
John Donaldson doesn’t belong in the HOF from his statistics, his longevity or even his defensive play. This trend has gone well too far.
They need to induct Clemens and Bonds, two guys who were HOF players before they started juicing.
Who says they weren’t juicing or doing something else earlier in their careers?
I would argue Bonds having a tiny head and slim body on the Pirates tells us he probably wasn’t on the juice at the time. Also, if you are going to argue this, we know ball players were hopped up on amphetamines back in the day to help with focus. What is the criteria here? Bonds is an inner circle hall of famer. Harold Baines is in, but Bonds isn’t? Ridiculous.
That’s because Bonds started juicing the day he flaked on Pittsburgh and signed with the Giants.
Harold baines wasn’t a known juicer or at least didn’t juice like bonds did
Also if we elect people like bonds in then that means we will have so many classy A holes coming in like a-rod and canseco
Only 176 of his homers came while he was on the Pirates. So no one can say he was already a hall of famer.
His power was very inconsistent in Pittsburgh.
Three time MVP for the Pirates with or without power. That alone gets most guys in the hall.
Excuse me, 2 time MVP.
Did Harold Baines take illegal drugs to enhance his abilities?
Thank you Darren as I realize I’m not alone. We know they cheated yet they lied in court and/or to Congress. I’m not for any who basically committed fraud and got paid beyond what they would have had they not cheated. The benefits of cheating shouldn’t extend to the HOF when there are other deserving stars who did not stain the game. Integrity and sportsmanship are supposed to be part of the consideration process. Imagine if this was golf…
Clemens and Bonds were HOF “candidates,” before they started “juicing.” They sealed the deal by taking drugs.
with this rule change, they should allow the committee to vote for unlimited people
Yes since they limit the number of players being considered and open the committee up to more than 16 members.
this is the HOF response to Pete Rose getting reinstated – they will use this to keep him out
Or the ped era players out.
The ped era and in the case of Pedey Rose, the pedo era
Hopefully. Keep that pedo out of the hof. Pete Rose was subhuman garbage and his death was a blessing.
As will yours.
@hiflew. Muting me after responding because I insulted your pedo idol? Pathetic.
rose literally won against Dowd for defamation after he claimed rose was with 12-14 year olds. the girl who rose did admit to was 16, which is the legal age in many states….for me way too young, but law is law.
He didn’t win. It was dismissed by Pete. I’m not going to argue why the state ages of consent argument is creepy, you know by qualifying your statement. I also won’t argue why that is technically a win for some people, because lawfare is 100% a thing used by those with means against those with lesser means.
Rose said she was 16……the woman said she was 14-15.
With all the lies Rose told for years and years…… I will believe her, not him. Her sworn testimony was part of the lawsuit you mentioned. i don’t know if I would call a settlement and dismissal of the case. “rose literally won against Dowd for defamation”
Dowd’s info came from one of Rose’s bookmakers Michael Bertolini, once told him he “not only ran bets but ran young girls (to Rose) down at spring training, ages 12 to 14.”
“The testimony from a woman identified as Jane Doe. She said that when she was 14 or 15 in 1973, she received a call from Rose, who at the time was about 32 years old, married to his first wife, and a father of two.”
“Sometime after that, Pete Rose and I began meeting at a house in Cincinnati,” she said, according to the filing. “It was at that house where, before my 16th birthday, Pete Rose began a sexual relationship with me. This sexual relationship lasted for several years. Pete Rose also met me in locations outside of Ohio where we had sex.”
BTW, Dowd knew of Rose’s “encounters” with young girls when he was investigating him for gambling (it was well known by other players and talked about) but he could not get anyone to testify on record so he had to let it go.
@Pronkington: hiflew blocks a lot of people. Don’t sweat it.
Good. He doesn’t belong.
kenny lofton deserves to be in the HOF
Absolutely. Lofton and Whitaker.
I was just thinking about this the other day.. it was truly amazing Lofton was one-and-done on the HOF ballot.
Yes but I can come up with a LONG list starting with Evans, Munson, Tiant (who should have gotten more love), Belle, Hernandez, Mattngly and Murphy.
Belle should be a first ballot HOF’er. Bitter sports writers should have no say in who gets in the hall.
Belle does not have the stats to get into the HOF. Neither the total numbers nor the peak numbers. He is HOVG eligible though. Why don’t you start one.
Dewey was borderline, but I think he should be in.
Albert had neither the longevity nor the peak to get in.
Thurman Munson should be in.
Mattingly had neither the longevity nor the peak.
Dale Murphy had 2 MVP awards. Not sure how he is not in other than he was just not good long enough. His peak was incredible. From 82-87 he was as good as I have ever seen in person other than Trout. Then he fell off a cliff.
Keith Hernandez never cracked 11% in the voting and I have no clue why. He belongs.
Albert belle was so good and he didn’t even use roids even though he had zero defense his bat is HOF enough to put him in
If Belle had played longer, he’d definitley be in the Hall. He only had ten seasons where he played in 100+ games, and was out of the league before his age-34 season.
It was his attitude and anger towards the writers that kept him out, not his longevity. He was that dominant.
Albert Belle:
40.1 career WAR | 36.0 7yr-peak WAR | 4.2 WAR/162
Average HOF LF (out of 21):
65.3 career WAR | 41.7 7yr-peak WAR | 4.8 WAR/162
Belle doesn’t have the stats to get into the HOF. He is not even a borderline candidate. He was just not good enough for long enough.
I guess hitting 381 homers and being at least a top 10 hitter during those precious years isnt enough
But let’s keep putting the Joe Mauer type in the hall
It’s a little different compairng a left fielder to a guy who played over half of his career at catcher. Only 11 guys spent at least 50% of their career behind the plate, and had at least 2000 hits. Mauer is one of them. He also has the 3rd best OPS and 4th best OPS+ among those 11. Mauer had a filled trophy cabinet too, with 3 Gold Gloves, Silver Sluggers, an MVP, 6 ASG appearances, and 3 batting titles. He is the only backstop to have to lead the league in BA that many times. If Belle played until he was like 36, he probably would have made it in eventually.
“Commissioner’s Office
Considering Petition To Remove Pete Rose From Ineligible List”
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I’m sorry, but I seen that post from a few days ago with the comments turned off. Here’s what I think of the commissioner, MLB, and my thoughts on that subject
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You can take your idea and place it in a very uncomfortable area of your body. MLB and the commissioner have no class. Literally waited till the man passed away to come up with this? After all the times Pete Rose asked, the fans asked, and hoped that he would be removed from such a stupid list, and now they wanna do it? Well guess what MLB.. he’s not here anymore! Take your petition, roll it up, and you can guess what the next step is
You may want to get your facts straight before commenting. The reason he is considering this is because Pete’s daughter petitioned for reinstatement. It did not come out of the blue, Manfred did not come up with it. He is the commissioner so he has to consider it. Doesn’t mean he has to act positively on it.
And it wasn’t a stupid list. Rose bet on baseball, which strikes at the integrity of the game. He also accepted the ban imposed by then commissioner Bart Giamanti. He absolutely deserved to be on that list and deserves to remain on that list.
Rose bet on baseball and his mistake was denying it for 30+ years. Fast forward to the digital age of pretty much everything. Two major sponsors for mlb is Draft Kings and FanDuel. It’s kind of a double standard to allow betting on mlb games.
I know it’s apples to oranges fans betting vs. A player doing it.
Oh please, there’s always been talk and requests by Rose himself for the ban to be lifted, he was either denied or ignored. But now all of a sudden the commissioner is “considering”? Gee thanks for waiting till after he died to “consider” it.
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People that aren’t incredibly sensitive could care less that Rose gambled. he didn’t cheat, he didn’t treat the game poorly, he was one of the best to ever play, and he was legit. “Gambling is bad” yea that’s why there’s multiple gambling sites where athletes can now bet.
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Truthfully going by your words “deserves to remain on that list” it sounds like you really don’t like people or baseball.
I know this will sound pedantic but Rose was banned from baseball for life and that was the reason for him being barred from the HOF. Now that he’s dead the ban is lifted and he can be considered for the Hall. I don’t agree with it, but that’s how we got here. Pete was one of the best ever and definitely deserves to be in.
I agree he should be in. But he wasn’t banned for life, he was put on permanently ineligible list. Look it up
A ban from baseball is not a ban from the Hall of Fame. They are two different operations. The HOF has made this very clear.
@Chicken In Philly?
True. However, a person on the permanently ineligible list cannot be voted into the Hall of Fame.
Per the HOF:
“Anyone on the permanently ineligible list can’t be considered for election to the Hall under a rule adopted by the Hall’s board of directors in 1991.”
If Pete was ever enshrined, many would likely boycott and not show up at the induction ceremony. Many more would not watch on TV. I The only reason he wanted in, was monetary.
Pete Rose was not banned for life. He was banned permanently and he agreed to the ban. He does not deserve to be enshrined in the HOF.
The day after Shoeless Joe is reinstated, then Pedo Pete should be considered. Not a day sooner.
The ban on Pete Rose has not been lifted. The Commissioner will consider it because Pete’s daughter requested it. Pete requested it many times and was denied each time. There is nothing saying that the petition will be granted now.
Shoeless Joe Jackson first!
Boo hoo to you then
“Literally waited till the man passed away to come up with this?”
LOL at trying to insist upon decorum when discussing a pedo sleezebag like Pete Rose. One of the most classless people to have ever played the game.
Can we please get Sweet Lou Whitaker in?
The hall of injuring themselves while dancing maybe. Think he was doing the cossack split and then was never able to get back up
I never got to watch Lou play, but his baseball reference page tells me he should be in. What am I missing?
That’s fine. HOF has the right to change the rules if it wants. And I get the notion of making room for others by limiting room on the ballot for those who don’t get enough support when they are on the ballot. But then make sure that you don’t limit voters in how many players they can vote for.
This is also known as the if you whine enough about change in your Fangraph articles you get your way Jay Jaffe rule.
Jay will always cry and flip flop. He’s another huge ego who thinks he’s the king of baseball. His writing sucks too. They should give Mike Petriello or another good writer his vote.
Except for two months a year when he’s recycling his narcissistic JAWS nonsense. Jaffe is out of place writing for Fangraphs.
You can tell someone is doing the statistical work for him in his non-HOF articles because that’s not his skillset.
I like it. If a player doesn’t get at least 5 votes in two separate votes then they don’t belong.
Or if you’re a smug teammate who fathers numerous illegitimate kids and then later run for the senate on a family values platform after abandoning said kids you lose eligibility
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just read about Gsrvey. i hadn’t heard this before
Steve Garvey, the father of our nation.
Smug teammate? You mean the only teammate that attended former Padre Alan Wiggins funeral when he died from AIDS. The same guy that stood up for female reporter Claire Smith because none of the other 1984 Padres wanted to take an interview from a female reporter?
Wasn’t he the same person that actually received a higher vote percentage than Donald Trump in the 2024 election and the highest by a Republican for higher office in California in well over a decade?
Who cares that he’s been married to the same woman for thirty-five years and has raised very successful children from his current marriage.
Instead, it’s the same old tired arguments that the media has fed us for decades that ignores anything that he’s done as a positive.
“Wasn’t he the same person that actually received a higher vote percentage than Donald Trump in the 2024 election and the highest by a Republican for higher office in California in well over a decade?”
Neither of these are high bars to clear and neither say anything about the type of person Garvey is. There are politicians of every stripe who are bad people but get tons of votes.
Shame Luis Tiant isn’t already in and now he’s ineligible forever.
No he’s not Bruce. It’s moving forward, not retroactive.
What will it take for Dr. Frank Jobe to get on a ballot? Marvin Miller is in; it’s time for Dr. Jobe to be enshrined. This site features a story about his legacy nearly every day.
And what about the people who invented “the Creme” and/or “the Clear”?
Let’s put the rosin bag inventor in there too. I’m a big hall guy but keep doctors and executives out. They never even touched the field during games. Start a medical or executive hall of fame for their egos and your fantasies
I feel like this is a way to make sure some people they do not like getting into the Hall of Fame. People like Steve Garvey, how many other 10x all stars are not in Hall? Loved by fans, not so much by many of his teammates. Who do you think the voting members are going to listen to? I know people find a way to make sure some of these players not in the Hall. The facts are there, he deserves to be in the Hall. They also do not want to deal with the upcoming steroid guys. It will be used to say they are done. They are not getting into the Hall.
Bill Freehan, a 12-time all-star, is not in the HOF.
He should be in… Why is he not? The All Star game used to be fan voted. It was a indication of who the greats are of that year. He has 5 gold gloves also for a reason. Garvey was an MVP and 4x Gold Glove winner for a reason. People want to use WAR or other metrics to try to keep people out. Let’s get them in…
@peyton161816.
Garvey’s Gold Gloves were puzzling. Not a great 1B; he couldn’t make the 3-6-3.
Here is the 1974 MVP voting with player stats. Garvey? Really?
baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1974.shtml
Hey! He was the 17th best vote getter that year. A little respect!
@El Kabong
Big factor that probably played into the voter’s decisions were how good the Dodgers were that year. They had 102 wins. The Orioles were the next closest at 91.
Steve Garvey:
First Base (51st):
38.0 career WAR | 28.7 7yr-peak WAR | 2.6 WAR/162
Average HOF 1B (out of 25):
65.0 career WAR | 42.0 7yr-peak WAR | 4.8 WAR/162
Garvey does not belong in the HOF. His stats do not justify it.
@outinfeftfield
As a 16-year-old Dodger fan in 1974, I was stunned when Garvey was named MVP. I expected it to go to offseason acquisition Jimmy Wynn, who I felt made the most significant difference on the team. Modern stat-keeping would suggest Mike Schmidt.
It was the same year Jeff Burroughs was named AL MVP.
10 Time All Star
NL MVP
4x Gold Glove
Come on…
Not even close.
He won popularity contests but couldn’t play the game at a HOF level. His stats say he doesn’t belong. They say he is not even close to belonging.
Using modern stats to judge a player that played prior to the stat being invented is a worthless way to measure someone’s skillset.
Want to know the best way to know this.
Good Luck explaining how defensive WAR (which is a major reason for his low WAR total) was measured for Steve Garvey (or anyone who played in the 1970’s or earlier for that matter). It’s just pure guessing by stat heads.
Unlike today’s game, video footage doesn’t exist for most games prior to 1980 (it’s even spotty until the late 1980’s) and in Garvey’s case, there isn’t any footage of him at all when he played third base prior to switching over to first.
Garvey had a .775 OPS as a 1B which translates to about 17% better than league average. He played a lot of games so his numbers look more impressive on a cursory look. When you look in depth they don’t stand up and that’s why he’s repeatedly fallen short of voters requirements for induction. Other than a high hit total he didn’t offer any noteworthy stats. A career OBP of .329 from a defense first position isn’t impressive.
Garvey is not HOF worthy. He’s even below Baines and nobody really thinks Baines should be in.
baines would have had 3000 hits if not for the strikes. 22 years .290 average, 300+ home runs. Hall of Famer.
Incorrect. Between the 1981 and 1994 strikes he lost a potential total of 102 games. He was not an everyday player but for the sake of argument I’ll give it to you.
In his best season he had 198 hits in 160 games, for an average of 1.275 hits per game. Extrapolated across 102 games that gives you 126.225 hits per game. I’ll round that up to 127 for you.
127+2,866=2,993. Not 3,000.
Doesn’t matter, he’s in the Hall of Fame but most people would agree—not worthy. He never received even 7% of the vote but got in thanks to Larussa cronyism.
god damn i was off by 7 hits…
facts matter.
Sorry, he’s not retiring with 2,993 hits. The added bump in ticket sales from reaching 3,000 is enough for the final team he played for and the one he got inducted into the HOF (the Chicago White Sox) to roster him.
No, he’s retiring with 2,866.
Agreed.
This is all about the Hall finding a way to not deal with the PED crowd as they become eligible for the Era’s committee ballots.
Baines:
6x all Star
Silver Slugger
Baines also had a good amount of counting stats. 2866 hits, 384 home runs. The only players not in the HOF with at least 2500 hits and 350+ homers are Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrera (who will be first balloters when they’re eligible), Carlos Beltran (who was at about 70% this past year in just his third year on the ballot), steroid users like Bonds, A-Rod, Palmeiro, Gary Sheffield, Manny Ramirez. Then there’s Luis Gonzalez.
Baseball HOF is a joke. They let that liar Bud Selig in the HOF even though the previous commish sent him and every other owner a memo about stopping steroid use in baseball. Selig then tried to contract the Twins so his daughter’s team, the brewers, would have a bigger market. He let Montreal go to Washington but gave the Orioles majority control over the TV rights despite them being an AL team and the Expos/Nats being in a separate league. Ignoring precedent set by Oakland, Anaheim, Mets, etc. Bud Selig was a money squeezing worm and his legacy of rampant steroid use has left a black eye and fighting that persists to this day. It’s the baseball hall of fame missing the greatest players of my generation but we get Buddy in there who benefited the most off roids.
Selig, MLB and SF screwed Oakland. Their ridiculous territorial map was a joke. Had MLB supported Oakland as they should have, things would be a lot different.
Keith Hernandez should be in on one of these Era committees
At least we now know how they are going to screw Pete Rose if he gets reinstated. They will give him like 3 votes and that’s it for Charlie Hustle.
whitaker
mattingly
garvey
dwight evans
hernandez
rick rueschel
all now
rick reuschel has the highest war of any pitcher not in the hall of fame besides kershaw, verlander, greinke, clemens, and clemens! an almost 70 WAR!!!!! higher war than like 50 HOFers
Agree on all these guys other than Garvey and Mattingly. Add Grich and Lofton to the list in their place for me.
They all belong (Grich and Lofton too).
Ken Boyer is also an obvious miss as well. An 11 time All-Star, the 1964 MVP, 5 time Gold Glove and a World Series winner at an under represented position seems like a future inductee.
Yes 100%
Yes grich and lofton too!
To add to reuschel, he played for incredibly crappy teams so he gets 0 love. Also in his all star appearance he gave up a major blast from Bo Jackson lol
Great, let’s find more ways to not put guys in the HOF until after they die. It seems almost cruel.
Lets get Sweet Lou in before they find a way to keep effing him over and put in Jabronis like Hal Baines
sigh.
I realize that actually understanding a process is not popular on social media, but hear me out anyway.
this is what the HOF actually tells the voters:
“B. An elector will vote for no more than ten (10) eligible candidates deemed worthy of election.”
does it say that the voter should choose his 10 favorites, in ranked order? NO.
let’s say you’re a voter, and you deem 11 candidates worthy. you want to vote for all of them, but you can’t. you also know that one of the candidates is a stone-cold lock for election (more than half of the ballots are publicized before the deadline, so this literally is true).
so you bypass the lock, and choose the other 10 that you like.
does that mean that you “don’t think [insert player here] is worthy?’ NO.
so if you have a problem with the HOF voting criteria, that is where you should be venting your anger.
this outrage also is weird because it implies this fantasy that Mariano, Jeter, and Ichiro are even among the 20 greatest players in history. no sentient being truly believes that. so given the fact that voting rules have varied wildly over the years, resulting in “percentage of the vote” being a useless way to measure players, who cares about unanimous or not unanimous?
all 3 player sailed into the HOF in their first year, with little to no objection. why isn’t that good enough?
(btw, I don’t personally agree with the ‘I’ll leave the no-brainer off the ballot to give me my other favorite 10 picks,’ but if the HOF wants to outlaw that clearly allowable approach, then they should change the rules.)
btw, many of the names above are in the Hall of Merit, which doesn’t go by PEDs or cronyism, etc