Nick Pivetta is the top unsigned starting pitcher. He’s one of two remaining free agents, alongside Alex Bregman, who received a qualifying offer in early November. (Pete Alonso has also yet to officially sign his two-year agreement to return to the Mets.) Pivetta was a slightly surprising QO recipient, but the move paid off for the Red Sox when the righty declined the offer.
That ensures that the Sox will get a compensatory draft choice between the end of Competitive Balance Round B and the third round — likely 77th overall. Pivetta initially looked like he’d be a beneficiary of the robust starting pitching market that was present early in the offseason. ESPN’s Jeff Passan wrote around the time of the QO decisions that Pivetta would receive interest on at least a three-year deal.
It wasn’t an unreasonable expectation. Nathan Eovaldi, Yusei Kikuchi, Sean Manaea and Luis Severino each got three years and upwards of $60MM. The Royals signed Michael Wacha to a three-year, $51MM extension on the eve of free agency. Manaea and Severino had declined qualifying offers, while Wacha would have gotten one as well had they not agreed to the multi-year deal. Pivetta could have pursued something similar to the three-year, $67MM guarantee that Severino pulled from the A’s.
The 31-year-old Pivetta (32 later this week) was an innings eater in the middle of the Boston rotation for the past few seasons. He struggled early in the 2023 campaign and was briefly demoted to the bullpen, but he excelled late in the year to earn his way back to the starting five. He took the ball 27 times last season, working to a 4.14 ERA across 145 2/3 innings. Pivetta missed some time early in the year with a flexor strain. That was the first non-virus injured list stint of his MLB career, though, and he returned without issue by the middle of May.
Pivetta has never posted a sub-4.00 ERA season. His run prevention has landed in the low 4.00s in consecutive years, and he carries a 4.09 mark in 288 1/3 frames since the start of 2023. Pivetta’s strikeout and walk rates have always been more intriguing than the ERA might suggest. He has punched out 30% of opponents with a solid 7.3% walk percentage over the past two seasons. The swing-and-miss ability has been somewhat undercut by Pivetta’s longstanding issue keeping the ball in the park. He has allowed a higher than average home run rate in all seven seasons of his MLB career.
There’s value in the durability and solid run prevention marks that Pivetta has provided the Red Sox. His camp presumably marketed him as an upside play based on the swing-and-miss stuff. A move out of the AL East and/or to a pitcher-friendly home park could position him for a step forward as a strong #3 starter.
It’s unclear whether the market has ever materialized to the extent that he envisioned when he declined the QO. There haven’t been a ton of publicly reported ties. The Canada native was linked to the Blue Jays before they signed Max Scherzer; Toronto GM Ross Atkins said last week that any additional rotation acquisitions were likely to be pure depth adds.
Pivetta was one of a number of rotation candidates tied to the Mets at the Winter Meetings. They’ve since re-signed Manaea and had already brought in Frankie Montas and Clay Holmes to slot into the rotation. They arguably still need a finishing piece, but they should probably aim for a legitimate #1 starter on the trade market. The Reds were the only other team firmly tied to Pivetta this offseason. Cincinnati has since seemingly pushed their payroll near ownership’s ceiling. President of baseball operations Nick Krall downplayed the likelihood of any more moves of note a couple weeks back.
It’s hard to envision Pivetta securing a Severino-type deal at this stage. Many teams have pushed their budgets as far as they’re willing to go. Players who sign early tend to fare better than those who linger into late January and potentially into Spring Training. This offseason has been no exception. Alonso and Jack Flaherty have each turned to short-term deals after starting out with much loftier asks. The QO also remains an impediment. Teams would still need to relinquish draft capital and potentially 2026 international pool money (depending on their luxury tax status) to add Pivetta. That’s not the case for the other unsigned starters (e.g. Jose Quintana, Kyle Gibson, Andrew Heaney).
Which club is most likely to swoop in late to add Pivetta? Weigh in below.
bregman + pivetta will have very difficult seasons
this late in the offseason when catchers + pitchers are starting to report and ST gms are a wk away you’re still unsigned. look @ the season jordan montgomery had. look at bellinger. even snell needed til july to get back into form
Probably works differently for a position player than it does for a pitcher.
Didn’t work that way for JD Martinez
Should be okay if they sign by the reporting date – not much time left for that, though.
Who cares ? Besides his wife I mean.
For all teams other than the Cubs and Dodgers pitchers and catchers report on the 12th or later.
But but but Boras said Bregman has several 6 year offers! LOL
Most likely the team that doesn’t have to give up a draft pick to sign him.
@rando. The only team that makes sense is the redsox he might’ve have to take a really low deal.
It’s astonishing that he turned down a QO
Teams do not like giving up draft picks, but if some team looses a starting pitcher or two during spring training to injury, then Pivetta might be the perfect add (assuming the team is planning on contending in 2025). The team might offer a low salary, one year contract just to help stay competitive. It would not make sense for a rebuilding team to sign Pivetta, because the QO. Only a desperate team would sign a one year contract, and loose a draft pick. It just does not make sense in most cases.
Either there’s a big injury at the start of camps or he waits until the draft compensation no longer applies
The Red Sox could sign Pivetta, use him for a while and then trade him.
Allin – Agree 100%. Pivetta would be insurance against injury early in the year, and could bring a nice return to help restock the farm system as Campbell and Antony graduate to the MLB this season.
I just don’t see either Pivetta coming back with his head between his legs after turning down the QO or the Sox thanking him for his past durability and allowing him to save face by overpaying. Henry is too business like.
4WS – The Sox have plenty of depth without Pivetta. In addition to the current projected rotation there is Fitts, Dobbins and Priester knocking on the door. There’s also Sandoval as a potential mid season addition.
Pivetta is what he is at this point, he has all this stuff but can’t put it together to find success. His best bet would have been to go to a team with a track record for improving pitching (TB, CLE, LAD) but a deal didn’t manifest.
Unless Pivetta accepts a bullpen role, there’s no room for him. Accepting a bullpen role does nothing for him, and he’d benefit more from just sitting out, staying in shape, and waiting out the draft pick compensation. I’m sure a team will be more than happy to sign him after the draft as a SP for a 1/15 or so deal like Keuchel.
I like Pivetta but offering him a QO was dumb because he should have accepted, and the fact that he remains unsigned with little to no interest surrounding him proves the point.
“his head between his legs” ?
The draft is in July. He would have to wait until then.
Joemo – Yes, agreed, Pivetta returning to the Red Sox would be in a bullpen roll and for cheap, because he could not find another team. It beats sitting on the side for no money, and the Red Sox could use another high whiff reliever.
Both Pivetta and the Red Sox figured he would get a multi-year, bigger money deal. That is why they offered the QO, AND why he rejected it.
Few stop to think what, on average, the QO pick is worth.
It’s usually not worth much, and it has a well understood cash value.
If as the article posits that pick will fall around #77 in the draft, it’s not worth as much as $5 million, particularly after you figure in the cost of a typical bonus for that slot and the cost of developing the player.
It’s an amount that won’t deter anyone from signing Pivetta, but he may well have misjudged his market on top of what looks like an error in not taking the QO. If he and his agent thought his median projections made him a better starter than Severino (Pivetta had the better FIP, 4.07 to 4.21 even in Severino’s bounceback season, and 4.01 v 4.85 in 2023-2024) where Severino gives no guarantee of continuing durability, they may have thought Sevy’s 3/67m was the least he’d be in line for.
He’s been homer-prone, though, every season of his career, and it hasn’t gotten any better since the Covid year. No one thinks at 32 he’ll suddenly figure it out and turn into a #2 starter. If anything he’s likely to go in the other direction where the end threatens to be quick and ugly. 1.4 in 2022, 1.5 in 2023, 1.7 HR/9 in 2024….
It’s too bad. His 10.6 K / 2.2 BB rate and 1.126 WHIP in 2024 is the stuff of #1 SPs, but the 1.7 / 9 HR rate makes it ultimately fairly ordinary. That Pivetta gave up 20 HR on the road and just 8 HR in Fenway doesn’t help his case any or give him a projectable improvement in a neutral or a pitcher’s park.
Jack – “It’s too bad. His 10.6 K / 2.2 BB rate and 1.126 WHIP in 2024 is the stuff of aces, but the 1.7 HR / 9 rate makes it ultimately fairly ordinary. That he gave up 20 HR on the road and just 8 HR in Fenway doesn’t help his case any.”
Pivetta’s K-rate, BB-rate, and WHIP are ace like, and although Pivetta eats innings, he may be better served in a bullpen role as he was in Boston for a good part of 2023. At this point I would love to see him return to the Red Sox in that capacity (especially since the Red Sox already have Crochet, Buehler, Houck, Bello, Giolito, and Crawford for the starting rotation).
“and although Pivetta eats innings,”
Does he? He finished 77th in innings pitched last year (145.2 innings) and 70th in 2023 (142.2 innings). 2022 is the only season of his where he was among the most innings (179.2 innings; 28th in MLB). I think the face that he doesn’t have the ability to pitch a ton of innings bolsters your argument in using him as a spot starter and reliever.
Some may say compensation picks are not worth much, but here are the 4 free agent compensation picks the Red Sox have received in the last 10 years.
Michael Kopech – (for Ellsbury signing with NYY) – one of the high end prospects traded for Chris Sale and current stud in the Dodger bullpen
Roman Anthony – (for Eduardo Rodriguez signing with Detroit) – currently the #1 prospect in all of baseball and will be arriving in Boston in 2025 as an impact bat
Kristian Campbell – (for Xander Bogaerts signing with San Diego) – Prospect of the Year in all of baseball for 2024 (I believe the honor was from Baseball America) – may be the starting 2B for the Red Sox out of spring training if Bregman is not signed
Blaze Jordan – (for Rick Porcello) – currently not an impact player
The Red Sox have certainly done well with their compensation picks over the last 10 years.
Probably at the bottom of the contract.
In Crayon.
In a booth at Tim Horton’s
I miss Tim Hortons.
When does the QO drop off from a team losing a pick?
After the draft.
Would hate to see that to happen but also wouldn’t surprised if me if no one wanted to give up a pick for him
@bennie2trades What do you suppose the #77 pick worth?
It’s not a one-for-one swap, Jack. The signing team could/will lose their 2nd overall pick.
Yeah. The O’s aren’t going to give up the #33 pick in the draft to pay Pivetta.
Not necessarily. That is only true for big market or tax paying teams I believe. If a competitive balance team were to sign him, I think they would only lose a 4th rounder. I am not 100% sure on it because it seems to change every year.
It is complicated hiflew, so here we go. The following is direct from MLB rules, and is two-part; first is prior team, second is obtaining team. Enjoy!
-Compensation for losing players who reject their QO
If a team gives a qualifying offer to a player who then signs elsewhere, the club that lost the player is eligible for Draft pick compensation in the next year’s MLB Draft.
• Competitive Balance Tax payors: If the team that loses the player went over the CBT threshold, the compensation pick will be placed after the fourth round has been completed. The value of the player’s contract doesn’t matter in this case.
• Revenue-sharing recipients: If the team that loses the player is a revenue-sharing recipient, based on its revenues and market size, then the selection – if and only if the lost player signs for at least $50 million – will be awarded a pick between the first round and Competitive Balance Round A. If the player signs for less than $50 million, the compensation pick for those teams would come after Competitive Balance Round B, which follows the second round.
• All other teams: If the team that loses the player does not receive revenue sharing and did not exceed the CBT salary threshold the previous season, its compensatory pick will come after Competitive Balance Round B. The value of the player’s contract doesn’t matter in this case.
Like standard Draft picks, compensatory picks in a given tier are ordered in accordance with the previous season’s standings. If a team with MLB’s worst record and a team with a .500 record both lose a free agent that signs for more than $50 million, the team with the worse record would receive the higher of the two compensatory picks.
-Penalties for signing players who reject their QO
Any team that signs a player who has rejected a qualifying offer is subject to the loss of one or more Draft picks. However, a team’s highest first-round pick is exempt from forfeiture. (Players who are unsigned after the start of the MLB Draft in the year that follows the rejection of their qualifying offer are no longer tied to Draft pick compensation and can be signed without their new club needing to forfeit a Draft pick.)
Three tiers of Draft pick forfeiture – based on the financial status of the signing team – are in place to serve as a penalty for signing a player who rejected a qualifying offer:
• Competitive Balance Tax payors: A team that exceeded the CBT threshold in the preceding season will lose its second- and fifth-highest selections in the following year’s Draft, as well as $1 million from its international bonus pool for the upcoming signing period. If such a team signs multiple qualifying-offer free agents, it will forfeit its third- and sixth-highest picks as well.
• Revenue-sharing recipients: A team that receives revenue-sharing money will lose its third-highest selection in the following year’s Draft. If it signs two such players, it will also forfeit its fourth-highest pick.
• All other teams: If a team does not receive revenue sharing and did not exceed the CBT salary threshold in the previous season, it will lose its second-highest selection in the following year’s Draft, as well as $500,000 from its international bonus pool for the upcoming signing period. If one of these teams signs two such players, it will also forfeit its third-highest pick.
(Note: Each pick in the first 10 rounds of the Draft has an assigned value, and the total for each of a club’s selections equals what it can spend on signing bonuses for players selected in those rounds without incurring a penalty. When a team forfeits a Draft pick, it also surrenders the accompanying bonus pool money associated that pick, independent from any money forfeited from its international bonus pool per the rules below.)
I didn’t vote in this one. They forgot the “none of the above” option at the bottom. Who want to give up a pick for a #3-4 starter?
Didn’t Craig Kimbrell and Dallas keuchel wait until after the draft and then signed midseason?
So did Kendrys Morales and Stephen Drew. I
Yep. And none of them had good years.
Kiwoom Heroes. At least I hope so.
“h” instead of “.” is the same number of keystrokes!
Yes, but it took me a second. OK, several seconds.
1yr/10 mil for losing a draft pick. Hit the FA market again next year. Random team like Nationals
Who advised him not to take the qualifying offer? Hope he gets a job.
He’s 32 in a few days. A three-year guaranteed is better than a $21M Q.O.
I can’t believe I’m gunna say this, but I agree with Metsin4000…
Shoulda taken the $21 large and go into ’26 baggage-free!
Yes, a three-year guaranteed contract is better than a $21mm QO. Unfortunately, no one is offering one of those. The QO is no longer on the table either. Shoulda taken the money!
One year guarantee is way better than no guarantee. He isn’t getting 3 years.
If I were to hypothetically sign Pivetta, I would be deadset on making it a 3, maybe 4 year pact. 1 or 2 w/Option doesn’t justify the Pick loss, Mets.
I understand that Gwynning but that’s why he’s a huge risk of going unsigned. Who wants to lock up a 4/5 starter that is just an innings eater for that long?
At the right price? Any of the 30 teams. Therein lies the meat of the pie…
I’d like Nick on my Pads. Sayyy, 3/$30MM-ish. Probs not gunna happen, I know. But the offer would be forwarded to his agent. He messed up not accepting the QO, but can’t blame the guy for trying! Cheers bub
He’s likely going to be signed by some team with an injury to replace, that will only want him for ’25.
Now we know that tomorrow he will sign a 3 year deal. Thanks for clarifying.
Not necessarily. Is it better to get 3/33 or take 1/21 and go into the next offseason only needing to make up 12 million over two years. The only it makes sense is if he happened to get hurt. And even then, the guy would still have $21 million. At 32, you could retire to an island immediately on that.
Hiflew – yep I’ve been saying this all a long as to why offering him the QO was dumb, and why him not accepting it was worse.
Excluding injury, he would have likely put up an era a little over 4, high 20’s for number of starts, good K numbers but bad HR. Enter FA after this season and he easily gets like a 3/40. Unless he completely collapsed this year, that deal would be easy to get without the additional compensation attached. If he pitched very poorly or got hurt, he could at least get a one year deal for a decent sum (probably 7-10MM).
Guaranteed money is better than maybe money.
Right now he’s looking at 0MM guarnteed and little to no prospective landing spots so how’s that working out for him?
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
@Yankee well, a one year $21M deal is better than say 3 years at $21M ($7M per).
@metsin4 – I got completely roasted for saying he was making a mistake when he turned it down.
Angels should sign him. They suck at the draft so who cares if they lose a pick.
Did anyone watch mahomes throw the game.
The only other thing he threw were picks!
KC throwing so many picks, Royals may as well sign Pivetta.
MLBPA is flat hanging these guys out to dry with the QO. Teams that make a QO should be forced to honor the offer until the start of the season, even if initially rejected.
Teams shouldn’t have to wait months for these players to say yes or no. It would stop them from making other moves.
Why? So the player can come back crying after finding out he has no market? “He” *chose* Free Agency. The team on the hook could just inevitably DFA him, in your scenario.
Only affects small number of players to prioritize over more critical issues. If a player (who is an adult) rejects it, that’s their gamble they will do better.
That’s his problem. He’s not a top tier free agent at all. Just a guy who will provide you mediocre innings. Nick Martinez wasn’t foolish enough to pass the QB
Nick knew he couldn’t out pass the QB. Burrow is pretty good.
Free Agency don’t get no safety nets
Do the 20 people who voted for Marlins have a pulse?
20 “Floridians” should explain everything you need to know, Rey!
The Marlins need to increase payroll to avoid a greivance from the mlbpa in which thier financials and long term strategy would be examined based on them receiving revenue sharing ..its the reason the As signed Severino . So from that standpoint it makes sense as signing pivetta would help but not solve the problem as im not positive but they need to add aroumd 30 mil to avoid this
Good point, Poo. They more than likely wish to keep their Recipient status quo…
Is there a drop dead date for the Q offer? Can he wait until May 1st, ala Tim Raines and then be free of compensation?
Post-Draft. All Star Week. Mid-July!
I don’t see Boston–they got what they wanted, the pick. But I also think this shows one of the real weaknesses of the QO system. Blame player and agent for not judging the market more acutely, but do we really want to hold up a guy of Pivetta’s level?
No ones holding him up. His agent need to shop him, at a signable salary. He’ll have to drop his ask to compensate for the pick cost.
If he signs after the draft do the Red Sox still get a pick?
No
The player has to be signed in order to receive the Compensatory stuffs. If Player A waits out the QO, there are no Picks attached either way.
My off the board pick would be Pittsburgh if they’re willing to spend the money.
Dude should’ve signed the QO the second it was given.
At this point it is Boston or after the draft most likely.
Seattle would be the perfect place, if only they were willing to spend money.
Blue Jays will sign him for two reasons….
1. He is from Canada
2. When Max Scherzer goes down 2 weeks into Spring Training with another injury and long DL stint.
I don’t blame Pivetta but the guy’s best role is the swing man/long relief. He is trying to get a starting contract but it isn’t where he excels.
I thought the Red Sox may sign him but at this point he probably fits the White Sox, A’s or Marlins right now.
Rebuilding teams won’t give up the pick.
Would fit great with Orioles but they will not give up a pick for him
I don’t really have any interest in him, but even if I did, it wouldn’t matter because, like you said, Pivetta is a guy that Mike Elias would never consider giving up a draft pick for.
QO = 20% top salaries averaged
without checking the actual %, it hast to be between 6%-8% top salaries, that’s elite. I know is just one year but really good money.. Wonder why not many players accept it and bet on themselves, besides you don’t have to move, at least for another year.
Earth to mlb rumors, that’s not Pivetta….
I think the best landing spot is still with the Red Sox. They both already know each other and he still has potential to be a solid SP and at worst he’s a swingman. Nothing they can’t deal with on a short term deal.
@Yanks4
You’re right, Boston doesn’t have to give up a pick to re-sign him. You pay the price for turning down the QO and becoming a free agent. 1 yr deal for $15MM with a team option for a 2nd year. I don’t see another team offering $15MM when losing a pick too. Maybe like a 2 yr $16MM if losing the pick. As mentioned above, the def of “innings eater” keeps getting lighter each year.
Nippon Ham Fighters are still in play…
About as likely as the Foo Fighters…
The easy answer here is the Marlins. They have to spend money. Ink Pivetta to a one-year deal and trade him in July (which could make up for the list pick). Pivetta is one of the better bets to last until July 31…
Roll the dice, make it a 2 year offer. More value at the TDL, if he is who we think he is and stays healthy. Worthy gamble imo. You could manipulate the AAV (somewhat) with front- or back-loaded deal.
The comp pick for Erod ended up being Roman Anthony at selection #79.
The comp pick for Bogaerts was Kristian Campbell.
Maybe the guy with the lowest self esteem and the biggest most fragile ego should learn about facts before he hypothesizes and posts about his eminent brilliance.
Ah, but Jack already knows it all.
He’s the smartest guy on the internet
Brewers make the most sense to me. Rotation is pretty weak. Hall should have to work his way into the rotation, Civale is meh, he’d be their 2-3 and salvage what was a criminally bad and boring offseason.
Seems like a player the Twins or Padres would like, but financially won’t work. Braves makes a lot of sense, Giants maybe? Relying heavily on Ray and Verlander. Angels? Mets or Cubs possibly as insurance? But they are already spending a ton.
Jake “made a serious mistake “ Pivetta
Dude should have taken the QO like everyone predicted him to
This.
It was so obvious this was going to happen.
Unfortunately Pivetta probably signs after the draft to a team that’s had some injuries. He’ll most likely struggle the way Jordan Montgomery did due to not having a proper spring training and he’ll struggle to get a major league deal next year. I hope I’m wrong because he’s a good guy and a decent middle/back of the rotation arm.
Montgomery signed on March 29th last year. Pivetta has plenty of time to beat that.
Feel bad for the guy. He’s a really good pitcher. Just got caught up in the machinations of the salary process
I’m kind of surprised so many people think he’s going back to Boston. I wouldn’t hate it, but i don’t expect it.
I think the Braves make sense, they have two starters to replace in Fried and Morton and are playing a dangerous game of roulette counting on Sale to replicate his numbers from last season
Dodgers, of course.
They will sign him and send him to their single A team for depth because he is blocked by,,,
Everybody else on the team
I said the Angels only because I have a hunch. Seattle should trade Castillo for some offense and sign him. Pivetta would have a 3.50 era with that being his home park.
Montgomery was viewed as being much better than Pivetta, and it was the $ amount, and the years that held him up. He dropped his demands and signed. Pivetta can’t drop the loss of a pick.
I didn’t actually think about the Sacramento A’s until I saw the results of this poll. I honestly think that fit would make the most sense. A’s get to lowball and would probably offer a multi-year deal, they could use another pitcher and seemingly still have some payroll to spend.
In theory, they have hundreds of millions left to spend given how little they have spent over the past few years (sarcasm).
I voted for the A’s. I think a front loaded, short term deal, with opt outs of course, fits best for both parties here.
Pretty wild that the Orioles are near the top of this poll.
It just further reinforces my suspicion that a lot of the people who speak authoritatively here about matters related to the Orioles don’t actually know very much about the Orioles, because if they did, they would know that the idea of Mike Elias sacrificing a draft pick for a #4 starter is completely and utterly ridiculous.
I went with the Mets btw, because they can afford to burn a pick on a #4 starter since Uncle Steve can paper over any future roster holes with his infinity money.
He’s not worth losing a draft pick for at any price.
He had over $20 million in the bank and he just said “no thanks, I’m good,” despite the long list of other guys in his tier of free agents (the “not that great” tier) that have found themselves in this exact same spot over the years due to not being worth sacrificing a pick to sign.
This is the future he chose.
He’s got really interesting skills and underlying stats, it’s tempting to say what if a top tier pitching coach got their hands on him, but I do think Andrew Bailey is establishing himself as a top pitching coach himself. Maybe not on the level of the top 5 or anything but top 10 possibly.
Alonso blew away 100 million!
Instead of Piveta, just go sign Kyle Gibson.
Savannah Bananas are under the tax line and willing to give up a pick