Nick Pivetta is the top unsigned starting pitcher. He’s one of two remaining free agents, alongside Alex Bregman, who received a qualifying offer in early November. (Pete Alonso has also yet to officially sign his two-year agreement to return to the Mets.) Pivetta was a slightly surprising QO recipient, but the move paid off for the Red Sox when the righty declined the offer.
That ensures that the Sox will get a compensatory draft choice between the end of Competitive Balance Round B and the third round — likely 77th overall. Pivetta initially looked like he’d be a beneficiary of the robust starting pitching market that was present early in the offseason. ESPN’s Jeff Passan wrote around the time of the QO decisions that Pivetta would receive interest on at least a three-year deal.
It wasn’t an unreasonable expectation. Nathan Eovaldi, Yusei Kikuchi, Sean Manaea and Luis Severino each got three years and upwards of $60MM. The Royals signed Michael Wacha to a three-year, $51MM extension on the eve of free agency. Manaea and Severino had declined qualifying offers, while Wacha would have gotten one as well had they not agreed to the multi-year deal. Pivetta could have pursued something similar to the three-year, $67MM guarantee that Severino pulled from the A’s.
The 31-year-old Pivetta (32 later this week) was an innings eater in the middle of the Boston rotation for the past few seasons. He struggled early in the 2023 campaign and was briefly demoted to the bullpen, but he excelled late in the year to earn his way back to the starting five. He took the ball 27 times last season, working to a 4.14 ERA across 145 2/3 innings. Pivetta missed some time early in the year with a flexor strain. That was the first non-virus injured list stint of his MLB career, though, and he returned without issue by the middle of May.
Pivetta has never posted a sub-4.00 ERA season. His run prevention has landed in the low 4.00s in consecutive years, and he carries a 4.09 mark in 288 1/3 frames since the start of 2023. Pivetta’s strikeout and walk rates have always been more intriguing than the ERA might suggest. He has punched out 30% of opponents with a solid 7.3% walk percentage over the past two seasons. The swing-and-miss ability has been somewhat undercut by Pivetta’s longstanding issue keeping the ball in the park. He has allowed a higher than average home run rate in all seven seasons of his MLB career.
There’s value in the durability and solid run prevention marks that Pivetta has provided the Red Sox. His camp presumably marketed him as an upside play based on the swing-and-miss stuff. A move out of the AL East and/or to a pitcher-friendly home park could position him for a step forward as a strong #3 starter.
It’s unclear whether the market has ever materialized to the extent that he envisioned when he declined the QO. There haven’t been a ton of publicly reported ties. The Canada native was linked to the Blue Jays before they signed Max Scherzer; Toronto GM Ross Atkins said last week that any additional rotation acquisitions were likely to be pure depth adds.
Pivetta was one of a number of rotation candidates tied to the Mets at the Winter Meetings. They’ve since re-signed Manaea and had already brought in Frankie Montas and Clay Holmes to slot into the rotation. They arguably still need a finishing piece, but they should probably aim for a legitimate #1 starter on the trade market. The Reds were the only other team firmly tied to Pivetta this offseason. Cincinnati has since seemingly pushed their payroll near ownership’s ceiling. President of baseball operations Nick Krall downplayed the likelihood of any more moves of note a couple weeks back.
It’s hard to envision Pivetta securing a Severino-type deal at this stage. Many teams have pushed their budgets as far as they’re willing to go. Players who sign early tend to fare better than those who linger into late January and potentially into Spring Training. This offseason has been no exception. Alonso and Jack Flaherty have each turned to short-term deals after starting out with much loftier asks. The QO also remains an impediment. Teams would still need to relinquish draft capital and potentially 2026 international pool money (depending on their luxury tax status) to add Pivetta. That’s not the case for the other unsigned starters (e.g. Jose Quintana, Kyle Gibson, Andrew Heaney).
Which club is most likely to swoop in late to add Pivetta? Weigh in below.
bregman + pivetta will have very difficult seasons
this late in the offseason when catchers + pitchers are starting to report and ST gms are a wk away you’re still unsigned. look @ the season jordan montgomery had. look at bellinger. even snell needed til july to get back into form
Probably works differently for a position player than it does for a pitcher.
Didn’t work that way for JD Martinez
Pickleball superstar JD Martinez
I keep seeing this. Does he play pickleball?
He has a contract to play pickleball set up for after he retires from ball
Should be okay if they sign by the reporting date – not much time left for that, though.
Who cares ? Besides his wife I mean.
For all teams other than the Cubs and Dodgers pitchers and catchers report on the 12th or later.
But but but Boras said Bregman has several 6 year offers! LOL
Matt Chapman signed after Bellinger and had arguably the best year of his career while hitting in a giant (pun intended) pitching park. Just because two things occur does not mean one was caused by the other.
100% of the people who confuse correlation with causation eventually DiE!
@bryce
Best yr of his career ? Not even close lol
He was having a horrible season & had solid final 2 months once he regained his form
@john horrible year? He had 7.1 WAR and got down ballot MVP votes, yeah what a garbage season. He had an OPS+ of 128 in May and +118 in June. He had an even better second half, but you’re insane if you think his first half was “horrible”.
John, it was a 7.1 WAR season. The 2nd best of his career. At 3B, only Ramirez was better in the 1st half last season. He hit better after the All Star break but he doesn’t get paid just to hit and his bat is secondary. For the life of me I can’t figure out why you are arguing the point about how good a season Matt Chapman had. He was incredible and because of it he got paid handsomely.
Most likely the team that doesn’t have to give up a draft pick to sign him.
@rando. The only team that makes sense is the redsox he might’ve have to take a really low deal.
It’s astonishing that he turned down a QO
I’m more astonished by the fact that he couldn’t beat 1/$20 on the open market.
I’d give him like 16 AAV max
Teams do not like giving up draft picks, but if some team looses a starting pitcher or two during spring training to injury, then Pivetta might be the perfect add (assuming the team is planning on contending in 2025). The team might offer a low salary, one year contract just to help stay competitive. It would not make sense for a rebuilding team to sign Pivetta, because the QO. Only a desperate team would sign a one year contract, and loose a draft pick. It just does not make sense in most cases.
Either there’s a big injury at the start of camps or he waits until the draft compensation no longer applies
The Red Sox could sign Pivetta, use him for a while and then trade him.
Allin – Agree 100%. Pivetta would be insurance against injury early in the year, and could bring a nice return to help restock the farm system as Campbell and Antony graduate to the MLB this season.
I just don’t see either Pivetta coming back with his head between his legs after turning down the QO or the Sox thanking him for his past durability and allowing him to save face by overpaying. Henry is too business like.
4WS – The Sox have plenty of depth without Pivetta. In addition to the current projected rotation there is Fitts, Dobbins and Priester knocking on the door. There’s also Sandoval as a potential mid season addition.
Pivetta is what he is at this point, he has all this stuff but can’t put it together to find success. His best bet would have been to go to a team with a track record for improving pitching (TB, CLE, LAD) but a deal didn’t manifest.
Unless Pivetta accepts a bullpen role, there’s no room for him. Accepting a bullpen role does nothing for him, and he’d benefit more from just sitting out, staying in shape, and waiting out the draft pick compensation. I’m sure a team will be more than happy to sign him after the draft as a SP for a 1/15 or so deal like Keuchel.
I like Pivetta but offering him a QO was dumb because he should have accepted, and the fact that he remains unsigned with little to no interest surrounding him proves the point.
“his head between his legs” ?
The draft is in July. He would have to wait until then.
Joemo – Yes, agreed, Pivetta returning to the Red Sox would be in a bullpen roll and for cheap, because he could not find another team. It beats sitting on the side for no money, and the Red Sox could use another high whiff reliever.
Both Pivetta and the Red Sox figured he would get a multi-year, bigger money deal. That is why they offered the QO, AND why he rejected it.
Figuratively speaking…
Offering Pivetta was dumb on the part of the Red Sox? Glad you’re not doing my taxes.
PK – Paying 21MM for Pivetta is insane. He started 26 games last year and had an era just north of 4. He struggled so much as a starter last year that he was demoted to the bullpen. He’s has all the right stuff, but the Sox haven’t been able to put it all together.
Sean Manaea is a much better pitcher and got 3/75.
Severino was a similar pitcher and went to Sacramento on a premium 3/67.
Pivetta was projected by many places to be around 3/45 in free agency, so 1/21MM is quite the overpay.
Spotrac is being annoying on mobile, but 21MM AAV would put him somewhere in the top 30ish of SP deals by AAV. He’s not a top 30 SP.
The figure of speech is “tail between his legs”, he is not fellating himself.
“head behind his knees”
“tail between his head”
“metaphor beyond his simile”
Then a 1/14 or 3/40 would be a steal and very tradeable and BOS should jump on it.
Yet, but he’s got a lot of time on his hands so who knows what the spring might bring?
Thank you. lol. oops…
P KfC – Actually offering the QO was not stupid of the Red Sox, and if he signs before the draft, they get a pick. If Pivetta waits until after the draft to sign, the Red Sox have lost nothing as if they had never offered the QO. Pivetta thought he would get a multi-year deal, many baseball analysts stated this at the beginning of the offseason.
Pivetta is going to the Rockies. Book it.
I voted Dodgers cause that was even more ridiculous.
Few stop to think what, on average, the QO pick is worth.
It’s usually not worth much, and it has a well understood cash value.
If as the article posits that pick will fall around #77 in the draft, it’s not worth as much as $5 million, particularly after you figure in the cost of a typical bonus for that slot and the cost of developing the player.
It’s an amount that won’t deter anyone from signing Pivetta, but he may well have misjudged his market on top of what looks like an error in not taking the QO. If he and his agent thought his median projections made him a better starter than Severino (Pivetta had the better FIP, 4.07 to 4.21 even in Severino’s bounceback season, and 4.01 v 4.85 in 2023-2024) where Severino gives no guarantee of continuing durability, they may have thought Sevy’s 3/67m was the least he’d be in line for.
He’s been homer-prone, though, every season of his career, and it hasn’t gotten any better since the Covid year. No one thinks at 32 he’ll suddenly figure it out and turn into a #2 starter. If anything he’s likely to go in the other direction where the end threatens to be quick and ugly. 1.4 in 2022, 1.5 in 2023, 1.7 HR/9 in 2024….
It’s too bad. His 10.6 K / 2.2 BB rate and 1.126 WHIP in 2024 is the stuff of #1 SPs, but the 1.7 / 9 HR rate makes it ultimately fairly ordinary. That Pivetta gave up 20 HR on the road and just 8 HR in Fenway doesn’t help his case any or give him a projectable improvement in a neutral or a pitcher’s park.
Jack – “It’s too bad. His 10.6 K / 2.2 BB rate and 1.126 WHIP in 2024 is the stuff of aces, but the 1.7 HR / 9 rate makes it ultimately fairly ordinary. That he gave up 20 HR on the road and just 8 HR in Fenway doesn’t help his case any.”
Pivetta’s K-rate, BB-rate, and WHIP are ace like, and although Pivetta eats innings, he may be better served in a bullpen role as he was in Boston for a good part of 2023. At this point I would love to see him return to the Red Sox in that capacity (especially since the Red Sox already have Crochet, Buehler, Houck, Bello, Giolito, and Crawford for the starting rotation).
“and although Pivetta eats innings,”
Does he? He finished 77th in innings pitched last year (145.2 innings) and 70th in 2023 (142.2 innings). 2022 is the only season of his where he was among the most innings (179.2 innings; 28th in MLB). I think the face that he doesn’t have the ability to pitch a ton of innings bolsters your argument in using him as a spot starter and reliever.
Some may say compensation picks are not worth much, but here are the 4 free agent compensation picks the Red Sox have received in the last 10 years.
Michael Kopech – (for Ellsbury signing with NYY) – one of the high end prospects traded for Chris Sale and current stud in the Dodger bullpen
Roman Anthony – (for Eduardo Rodriguez signing with Detroit) – currently the #1 prospect in all of baseball and will be arriving in Boston in 2025 as an impact bat
Kristian Campbell – (for Xander Bogaerts signing with San Diego) – Prospect of the Year in all of baseball for 2024 (I believe the honor was from Baseball America) – may be the starting 2B for the Red Sox out of spring training if Bregman is not signed
Blaze Jordan – (for Rick Porcello) – currently not an impact player
The Red Sox have certainly done well with their compensation picks over the last 10 years.
When does the QO drop off from a team losing a pick?
Would hate to see that to happen but also wouldn’t surprised if me if no one wanted to give up a pick for him
@bennie2trades What do you suppose the #77 pick worth?
It’s not a one-for-one swap, Jack. The signing team could/will lose their 2nd overall pick.
Yeah. The O’s aren’t going to give up the #33 pick in the draft to pay Pivetta.
Not necessarily. That is only true for big market or tax paying teams I believe. If a competitive balance team were to sign him, I think they would only lose a 4th rounder. I am not 100% sure on it because it seems to change every year.
It is complicated hiflew, so here we go. The following is direct from MLB rules, and is two-part; first is prior team, second is obtaining team. Enjoy!
-Compensation for losing players who reject their QO
If a team gives a qualifying offer to a player who then signs elsewhere, the club that lost the player is eligible for Draft pick compensation in the next year’s MLB Draft.
• Competitive Balance Tax payors: If the team that loses the player went over the CBT threshold, the compensation pick will be placed after the fourth round has been completed. The value of the player’s contract doesn’t matter in this case.
• Revenue-sharing recipients: If the team that loses the player is a revenue-sharing recipient, based on its revenues and market size, then the selection – if and only if the lost player signs for at least $50 million – will be awarded a pick between the first round and Competitive Balance Round A. If the player signs for less than $50 million, the compensation pick for those teams would come after Competitive Balance Round B, which follows the second round.
• All other teams: If the team that loses the player does not receive revenue sharing and did not exceed the CBT salary threshold the previous season, its compensatory pick will come after Competitive Balance Round B. The value of the player’s contract doesn’t matter in this case.
Like standard Draft picks, compensatory picks in a given tier are ordered in accordance with the previous season’s standings. If a team with MLB’s worst record and a team with a .500 record both lose a free agent that signs for more than $50 million, the team with the worse record would receive the higher of the two compensatory picks.
-Penalties for signing players who reject their QO
Any team that signs a player who has rejected a qualifying offer is subject to the loss of one or more Draft picks. However, a team’s highest first-round pick is exempt from forfeiture. (Players who are unsigned after the start of the MLB Draft in the year that follows the rejection of their qualifying offer are no longer tied to Draft pick compensation and can be signed without their new club needing to forfeit a Draft pick.)
Three tiers of Draft pick forfeiture – based on the financial status of the signing team – are in place to serve as a penalty for signing a player who rejected a qualifying offer:
• Competitive Balance Tax payors: A team that exceeded the CBT threshold in the preceding season will lose its second- and fifth-highest selections in the following year’s Draft, as well as $1 million from its international bonus pool for the upcoming signing period. If such a team signs multiple qualifying-offer free agents, it will forfeit its third- and sixth-highest picks as well.
• Revenue-sharing recipients: A team that receives revenue-sharing money will lose its third-highest selection in the following year’s Draft. If it signs two such players, it will also forfeit its fourth-highest pick.
• All other teams: If a team does not receive revenue sharing and did not exceed the CBT salary threshold in the previous season, it will lose its second-highest selection in the following year’s Draft, as well as $500,000 from its international bonus pool for the upcoming signing period. If one of these teams signs two such players, it will also forfeit its third-highest pick.
(Note: Each pick in the first 10 rounds of the Draft has an assigned value, and the total for each of a club’s selections equals what it can spend on signing bonuses for players selected in those rounds without incurring a penalty. When a team forfeits a Draft pick, it also surrenders the accompanying bonus pool money associated that pick, independent from any money forfeited from its international bonus pool per the rules below.)
I didn’t vote in this one. They forgot the “none of the above” option at the bottom. Who want to give up a pick for a #3-4 starter?
Very nice work. Thank you.
Didn’t Craig Kimbrell and Dallas keuchel wait until after the draft and then signed midseason?
So did Kendrys Morales and Stephen Drew. I
Yep. And none of them had good years.
@hiflew: Keuchel actually pitched well in 19 starts for the Braves that season (2019). Well enough to earn a 3 year $55M deal from the White Sox following his stint w/the Braves.
Kiwoom Heroes. At least I hope so.
“h” instead of “.” is the same number of keystrokes!
Yes, but it took me a second. OK, several seconds.
1yr/10 mil for losing a draft pick. Hit the FA market again next year. Random team like Nationals
Who advised him not to take the qualifying offer? Hope he gets a job.
He’s 32 in a few days. A three-year guaranteed is better than a $21M Q.O.
I can’t believe I’m gunna say this, but I agree with Metsin4000…
Shoulda taken the $21 large and go into ’26 baggage-free!
Yes, a three-year guaranteed contract is better than a $21mm QO. Unfortunately, no one is offering one of those. The QO is no longer on the table either. Shoulda taken the money!
One year guarantee is way better than no guarantee. He isn’t getting 3 years.
If I were to hypothetically sign Pivetta, I would be deadset on making it a 3, maybe 4 year pact. 1 or 2 w/Option doesn’t justify the Pick loss, Mets.
I understand that Gwynning but that’s why he’s a huge risk of going unsigned. Who wants to lock up a 4/5 starter that is just an innings eater for that long?
At the right price? Any of the 30 teams. Therein lies the meat of the pie…
I’d like Nick on my Pads. Sayyy, 3/$30MM-ish. Probs not gunna happen, I know. But the offer would be forwarded to his agent. He messed up not accepting the QO, but can’t blame the guy for trying! Cheers bub
He’s likely going to be signed by some team with an injury to replace, that will only want him for ’25.
Now we know that tomorrow he will sign a 3 year deal. Thanks for clarifying.
Not necessarily. Is it better to get 3/33 or take 1/21 and go into the next offseason only needing to make up 12 million over two years. The only it makes sense is if he happened to get hurt. And even then, the guy would still have $21 million. At 32, you could retire to an island immediately on that.
Hiflew – yep I’ve been saying this all a long as to why offering him the QO was dumb, and why him not accepting it was worse.
Excluding injury, he would have likely put up an era a little over 4, high 20’s for number of starts, good K numbers but bad HR. Enter FA after this season and he easily gets like a 3/40. Unless he completely collapsed this year, that deal would be easy to get without the additional compensation attached. If he pitched very poorly or got hurt, he could at least get a one year deal for a decent sum (probably 7-10MM).
Guaranteed money is better than maybe money.
Right now he’s looking at 0MM guarnteed and little to no prospective landing spots so how’s that working out for him?
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
@Yankee well, a one year $21M deal is better than say 3 years at $21M ($7M per).
@metsin4 – I got completely roasted for saying he was making a mistake when he turned it down.
Angels should sign him. They suck at the draft so who cares if they lose a pick.
Did anyone watch mahomes throw the game.
The only other thing he threw were picks!
KC throwing so many picks, Royals may as well sign Pivetta.
I saw him thrown to the ground a few dozen times.
In Crayon.
MLBPA is flat hanging these guys out to dry with the QO. Teams that make a QO should be forced to honor the offer until the start of the season, even if initially rejected.
Teams shouldn’t have to wait months for these players to say yes or no. It would stop them from making other moves.
Why? So the player can come back crying after finding out he has no market? “He” *chose* Free Agency. The team on the hook could just inevitably DFA him, in your scenario.
Only affects small number of players to prioritize over more critical issues. If a player (who is an adult) rejects it, that’s their gamble they will do better.
Cws – correct, the high end free agents will most likely get large multi-year contracts, but the mid-tier free agents should just take the QO much more often than do. Even the Jordan Montgomerys of the world (like Bregman) should weigh your options and pick one. Holding out will most often cost you money.
With stocks I usually get a decent profit and sell. I may miss a much bigger return, but I am not shooting for unlimited money, just a nice profit.
That’s his problem. He’s not a top tier free agent at all. Just a guy who will provide you mediocre innings. Nick Martinez wasn’t foolish enough to pass the QB
Nick knew he couldn’t out pass the QB. Burrow is pretty good.
Free Agency don’t get no safety nets
Do the 20 people who voted for Marlins have a pulse?
20 “Floridians” should explain everything you need to know, Rey!
The Marlins need to increase payroll to avoid a greivance from the mlbpa in which thier financials and long term strategy would be examined based on them receiving revenue sharing ..its the reason the As signed Severino . So from that standpoint it makes sense as signing pivetta would help but not solve the problem as im not positive but they need to add aroumd 30 mil to avoid this
Good point, Poo. They more than likely wish to keep their Recipient status quo…
Is there a drop dead date for the Q offer? Can he wait until May 1st, ala Tim Raines and then be free of compensation?
Post-Draft. All Star Week. Mid-July!
In a booth at Tim Horton’s
I miss Tim Hortons.
I don’t see Boston–they got what they wanted, the pick. But I also think this shows one of the real weaknesses of the QO system. Blame player and agent for not judging the market more acutely, but do we really want to hold up a guy of Pivetta’s level?
No ones holding him up. His agent need to shop him, at a signable salary. He’ll have to drop his ask to compensate for the pick cost.
He made a questionable choice, although there are other pitchers of his approximate ability who did better. My point was that QOs theoretically are to a) compensate the old team for the loss of a (presumably quality) player, and b) create a drag on salaries, No one really thought he was worth $20.3 million, Boston was doing it for the pick–which was their right and if he’d accepted it, they would have had to pay him. My criticism was more directed at the system than at his particular outcome. The logic of partially compensating the old team for the loss of a high quality player makes some sense–but there’s no way that any lower/mid-level revenue team makes this offer. As to “drag on salaries: maybe it;’s a drag on his, but I don’t think it does anything systemic.
If he signs after the draft do the Red Sox still get a pick?
No
The player has to be signed in order to receive the Compensatory stuffs. If Player A waits out the QO, there are no Picks attached either way.
My off the board pick would be Pittsburgh if they’re willing to spend the money.
Jdgoat
Cherington is waiting to tender his standard low ball Nutting contract of 1 year, then flip him for some players at the trade deadline that don’t pan out.
Dude should’ve signed the QO the second it was given.
At this point it is Boston or after the draft most likely.
Seattle would be the perfect place, if only they were willing to spend money.
I agree. Trade Castillo for a bat and sign him with the rest of savings. He’d probably have a 3.50 era in that park
Yes, he would. Comparing ERA-, Pivetta is 97, Castillo is 96. Pivetta would have performed roughly the same as Castillo if he were in Seattle last season.
Blue Jays will sign him for two reasons….
1. He is from Canada
2. When Max Scherzer goes down 2 weeks into Spring Training with another injury and long DL stint.
I don’t blame Pivetta but the guy’s best role is the swing man/long relief. He is trying to get a starting contract but it isn’t where he excels.
I thought the Red Sox may sign him but at this point he probably fits the White Sox, A’s or Marlins right now.
Rebuilding teams won’t give up the pick.
You may be right. For a bottom feeder he is going to cost their 3rd round pick
Would fit great with Orioles but they will not give up a pick for him
I don’t really have any interest in him, but even if I did, it wouldn’t matter because, like you said, Pivetta is a guy that Mike Elias would never consider giving up a draft pick for.
QO = 20% top salaries averaged
without checking the actual %, it hast to be between 6%-8% top salaries, that’s elite. I know is just one year but really good money.. Wonder why not many players accept it and bet on themselves, besides you don’t have to move, at least for another year.
Earth to mlb rumors, that’s not Pivetta….
I think the best landing spot is still with the Red Sox. They both already know each other and he still has potential to be a solid SP and at worst he’s a swingman. Nothing they can’t deal with on a short term deal.
@Yanks4
You’re right, Boston doesn’t have to give up a pick to re-sign him. You pay the price for turning down the QO and becoming a free agent. 1 yr deal for $15MM with a team option for a 2nd year. I don’t see another team offering $15MM when losing a pick too. Maybe like a 2 yr $16MM if losing the pick. As mentioned above, the def of “innings eater” keeps getting lighter each year.
It’s probably the pick that is responsible for his market stalling. Maybe a late injury would push a team on the fringe over the top to meet his previous expectations but that’s a big risk to take by Pivetta to wait it out that long. It seems like teams are valuing the comp pick quite a bit more with it being able to be traded now for bonus $$. I think the play by Pivettas agent should’ve been telling the team you plan to accept the QO but are willing to talk 2/3 year deal with options too. Too late for that now.
Nippon Ham Fighters are still in play…
About as likely as the Foo Fighters…
The easy answer here is the Marlins. They have to spend money. Ink Pivetta to a one-year deal and trade him in July (which could make up for the list pick). Pivetta is one of the better bets to last until July 31…
Roll the dice, make it a 2 year offer. More value at the TDL, if he is who we think he is and stays healthy. Worthy gamble imo. You could manipulate the AAV (somewhat) with front- or back-loaded deal.
The comp pick for Erod ended up being Roman Anthony at selection #79.
The comp pick for Bogaerts was Kristian Campbell.
Maybe the guy with the lowest self esteem and the biggest most fragile ego should learn about facts before he hypothesizes and posts about his eminent brilliance.
Ah, but Jack already knows it all.
He’s the smartest guy on the internet
Brewers make the most sense to me. Rotation is pretty weak. Hall should have to work his way into the rotation, Civale is meh, he’d be their 2-3 and salvage what was a criminally bad and boring offseason.
Seems like a player the Twins or Padres would like, but financially won’t work. Braves makes a lot of sense, Giants maybe? Relying heavily on Ray and Verlander. Angels? Mets or Cubs possibly as insurance? But they are already spending a ton.
Jake “made a serious mistake “ Pivetta
Dude should have taken the QO like everyone predicted him to
This.
It was so obvious this was going to happen.
Unfortunately Pivetta probably signs after the draft to a team that’s had some injuries. He’ll most likely struggle the way Jordan Montgomery did due to not having a proper spring training and he’ll struggle to get a major league deal next year. I hope I’m wrong because he’s a good guy and a decent middle/back of the rotation arm.
Montgomery signed on March 29th last year. Pivetta has plenty of time to beat that.
Montgomery was a far better option last year at this time. Pivetta has never come close to the 2023 season Montgomery was coming off of and adding an extra draft pick to his cost is going to hurt him a ton. Not comparable.
Feel bad for the guy. He’s a really good pitcher. Just got caught up in the machinations of the salary process
I’m kind of surprised so many people think he’s going back to Boston. I wouldn’t hate it, but i don’t expect it.
I think the Braves make sense, they have two starters to replace in Fried and Morton and are playing a dangerous game of roulette counting on Sale to replicate his numbers from last season
Dodgers, of course.
They will sign him and send him to their single A team for depth because he is blocked by,,,
Everybody else on the team
I said the Angels only because I have a hunch. Seattle should trade Castillo for some offense and sign him. Pivetta would have a 3.50 era with that being his home park.
Montgomery was viewed as being much better than Pivetta, and it was the $ amount, and the years that held him up. He dropped his demands and signed. Pivetta can’t drop the loss of a pick.
I didn’t actually think about the Sacramento A’s until I saw the results of this poll. I honestly think that fit would make the most sense. A’s get to lowball and would probably offer a multi-year deal, they could use another pitcher and seemingly still have some payroll to spend.
In theory, they have hundreds of millions left to spend given how little they have spent over the past few years (sarcasm).
I voted for the A’s. I think a front loaded, short term deal, with opt outs of course, fits best for both parties here.
Pretty wild that the Orioles are near the top of this poll.
It just further reinforces my suspicion that a lot of the people who speak authoritatively here about matters related to the Orioles don’t actually know very much about the Orioles, because if they did, they would know that the idea of Mike Elias sacrificing a draft pick for a #4 starter is completely and utterly ridiculous.
I went with the Mets btw, because they can afford to burn a pick on a #4 starter since Uncle Steve can paper over any future roster holes with his infinity money.
There are absolutely some teams that can be logically eliminated, whether that’s due to a lack of need, an unwillingness/inability to spend, or organizational philosophy, i.e. the Orioles, Yankees, Padres, White Sox, Marlins, Rockies, etc.
He’s not worth losing a draft pick for at any price.
He had over $20 million in the bank and he just said “no thanks, I’m good,” despite the long list of other guys in his tier of free agents (the “not that great” tier) that have found themselves in this exact same spot over the years due to not being worth sacrificing a pick to sign.
This is the future he chose.
He’s got really interesting skills and underlying stats, it’s tempting to say what if a top tier pitching coach got their hands on him, but I do think Andrew Bailey is establishing himself as a top pitching coach himself. Maybe not on the level of the top 5 or anything but top 10 possibly.
Alonso blew away 100 million!
Instead of Piveta, just go sign Kyle Gibson.
Savannah Bananas are under the tax line and willing to give up a pick
Any team that needs a pitcher can get Stroman for a pile of hot dogs and to take over his salary
I don’t like hot dogs. Pass
Communist.
Try eating a quality hot dog, pass on the cheap ones
Pivetta not taking the QO was insane. His best season was 145 innings of 4+ era ball. He won’t get half what the QO was at this point.
he’s not worth a draft pick so he’ll either sign with Boston or sit out half the year
The Mets rotation is pretty deep, but full of question marks. I wonder if they take a shot at Pivetta which would give them flexibility to use Holmes in the pen. That could make their pen elite.
I doubt that now. If the Mets wanted to sign another starter, they should’ve made a similar Tigers’ deal which Jack Flaherty received and accepted. I understand that there are medical concerns but he would be the better upside play.
Without a doubt. Pivetta isn’t great, but another option.
Pivetta declining the QO is still crazy
He done goofed
Red Sox, cheaper 1 year deal. No one is giving up a draft pick for him.
He should have taken the QO.
Bob: Agreed. Maybe the Red Sox sign Pivetta to a cheap deal and then trade him to a team that would have signed him without the draft pick attached.
That’s actually a cool idea. How close are the Red Sox to the luxury tax and how is it calculated? If they could pass the contract thru without triggering penalties it could be worth their while for a team like the Mariners to offer the value of the draft picks for him. No skin off anyone’s nose unless Pivetta gets ticked at the swap.
(I’m sure there’s some killjoy language in the CBA about trading guys right after signing them, but this is still a fun idea.)
There is. They have to wait until a certain date. Can’t be right away.
The Red Sox are about $24M below the luxury tax threshold. So, they could afford to sign Pivetta.
They could do that, but I think I have to wait until at least May or June to trade him, correct?
I think the Red Sox would need to wait until June 15th to trade him.
I truly think the Red Sox but I think the Braves are a good fit. But the Braves won’t do it because I’m sure his asking price is just a bit too high and he has that stink QO attached to him, which the Braves are really trying to rebuild that farm somewhat. So I just don’t see them doing it
I get the sense he’s considered very good but not good enough to give up the draft pick, so nobody wants to pull the trigger.
The Q.O. draft pick loss tag is ridiculous in its construction as an attempt at competitive balance. It’s a bit like holding a player contractually hostage.
That said, he seems like a guy who probably should’ve accepted 1 year/$21M and then re-entered the market without the QO holding him back, even if he’d have to “settle” for an AAV way lower than $21M. Let’s say he’d get 2 years/$26M or without the QO he would have received 3 years/$42M…. But either way his salary totals would likely work out very similarly with or without the QO.
Trill – The Q.O was designed to compensate small market teams for the loss of players they can’t re-sign. MLBPA should try in the new CBA to tweak the terms so it only applies to players on their original club and/or teams in the bottom 2/3 of payroll/market size/revenue.
I disagree though that it holds the player contractually hostage. The $21 million was a very competitive wage for a player like Pivetta, and he (and his representation) whiffed in not taking it. To save face, I suspect he’ll sign a deal (probably with Boston) with (unreachable) incentives that would allow him to exceed the Q.O.
not enough people picked the dodgers
Missoula Paddleheads are circling like vultures. Can’t rule out the Arrows Ostrava or Dubai Falcons either.
If it weren’t for that pesky HR rate, the Rockies really would be a good fit. They struggle to sign or develop pitching, they don’t really do all that much with their draft picks, and they’ve shown (with Bryant as an example) they can pony up a little money when necessary.
A two year, $30 million deal with another $5mill in incentives structured to pay out 15-15 and a club option for $15 mill would provide Pivetta with a guarantee of $30 mill over the next two years, a number I don’t think he’s going to exceed even if he waits out the Q.O., AND it would give the Rockies a player who’s peripheral numbers indicate he could be much more than what meets the eye. But then there’s that pesky HR rate….
Pivetta is a really hard one to stick somewhere. It requires a relatively flush team that doesn’t value its draft picks and believes in Pivetta being more than a #4 starter, AND it requires Pivetta to accept he missed out on $21 mill per annum AND no one will sign him for a short term deal and lose their draft pick.