Exactly one year ago today, the Orioles and Brewers agreed to the blockbuster trade that sent Corbin Burnes to Baltimore. Since Burnes has now moved on to sign with the Diamondbacks and the O’s didn’t win a playoff game in the star right-hander’s lone season at Camden Yards, debates may rage for years about who “won” the trade, even if an argument can certainly be made that both teams made off well.
From the Orioles’ perspective, there was clear benefit to installing an ace like Burnes atop the team’s rotation. On paper, a frontline pitcher was the final piece needed to put a young, deep, and talented O’s team over the top as a World Series contender, even if things didn’t ultimately work out for Baltimore in October. Giving up Joey Ortiz, DL Hall, and a Competitive Balance Round-A draft pick for one season of Burnes’ services was seen as an acceptable trade package, since the perception was that the Orioles could afford to be a little aggressive, given the extra depth afforded by their very deep farm system.
Fast forward a year, and the Orioles (perhaps frustratingly to the team and their fans) find themselves in roughly the same spot heading into the 2025 season. Still looking for a postseason breakout, the O’s haven’t been sitting on their hands, as Tyler O’Neill, Andrew Kittredge, Gary Sanchez, Tomoyuki Sugano, and Charlie Morton have all been signed as free agent additions, boosting the club’s payroll from roughly $102.5MM in 2024 to a projected $157.3MM in 2025. Such a payroll hike is quite substantial, but O’Neill is the only one of those players signed beyond next season, as the Orioles haven’t yet shown the increased appetite for longer-term spending that many expected under new owner David Rubenstein.
The roster as it stands on February 1 still looks like a strong one, and the Orioles should certainly be considered favorites to at least reach the playoffs for the third consecutive year. Still, if the O’s want to make one more splashy move and aren’t yet willing to break the bank in free agency, that leaves the trade market as GM Mike Elias’ best route for an upgrade. Even if Baltimore’s farm system has now been depleted by trades and several players graduating out of “prospect” status and onto the MLB roster, the Orioles also have another kind of one-year-only surplus that might yet prove beneficial in landing more experienced talent by Opening Day.
Unlike in the NFL, NBA, or NHL, Major League Baseball doesn’t allow its teams to trade draft picks….with one exception. The teams that receive a bonus pick via the two Competitive Balance rounds are allowed to deal that pick away, which has provided an interesting wrinkle to trade discussions since the CB rounds were instituted prior to the 2017 draft. These bonus picks are allotted to teams that fall within the league’s bottom 10 in either market size or revenues, and the Orioles have qualified for an extra CBR pick every year.
As noted earlier, the Orioles’ willingness to include their CBR-A pick (the 34th overall selection in the 2024 draft) was a key component of the Burnes trade, and the Brewers used that pick to select slugging Tennessee first base prospect Blake Burke last July. This offseason saw the Reds trade their CBR-A pick to the Dodgers as part of the Gavin Lux trade, the Athletics included their CBR-A pick as part of the trade package that brought Jeffrey Springs to West Sacramento, and the Diamondbacks sent Slade Cecconi and their CBR-B selection to the Guardians in exchange for Josh Naylor.
Because the teams who qualify for CBR selections switch rounds every year, Baltimore’s extra pick comes in the second Competitive Balance Round in 2025, currently slotted as the 71st overall selection. This means the Orioles will be on the clock six times within the first 94 picks of the 2025 draft, between their regular picks (19th, 59th, 94th) in the first three rounds, their CBR-B pick (71st), and the compensation picks (30th, 31st) that the club received when Burnes and Anthony Santander signed elsewhere. Because the Orioles are a revenue-sharing recipient, and because Burnes and Santander rejected qualifying offers and signed deals worth more than $50MM, the O’s landed those compensatory picks right after the end of the first round.
The double dose of compensation picks might make the O’s more likely than not to move their CBR-B pick, just because it’s fairly uncommon for a team to have two qualified free agents depart in the same offseason. It should be noted that the Orioles’ decision to trade their CBR-A pick for Burnes might’ve been influenced by another bonus pick the team received in that 2024 draft class. The O’s received the 32nd overall pick under the league’s Prospect Promotion Incentive rules, since Gunnar Henderson won the 2023 AL Rookie of the Year Award after being ranked within the top 100 of preseason prospect lists from (at least two of) MLB Pipeline, Baseball America, and ESPN.com.
Even if a CBR-B pick doesn’t carry as much value as the CBR-A selection dealt for Burnes, the Diamondbacks’ Naylor trade is evidence that a CBR-B pick can still bring back some quality talent. Hypothetically, the Orioles could look to replicate the Burnes trade as closely as possible, and include their CBR pick as part of a larger trade package for an ace pitcher. Even if the Orioles might technically have a rotation surplus if all their starters are healthy, it isn’t clear if any of Grayson Rodriguez, Zach Eflin, Morton, or Sugano are necessarily the pitcher you’d want starting the first game of a playoff series.
A mention of Dylan Cease here is unavoidable. The Padres are known to be gauging interest in Cease, who (like Burnes) is a year away from free agency. Baltimore had interest in Cease last winter before the White Sox dealt him to San Diego, and that interest extended into this offseason, as the Orioles reportedly saw a Cease trade as a pivot move in case Burnes signed with a new team. Further extending the comparison to Burnes, the O’s might well be viewing Cease as another one-year rental, with an eye towards recouping another compensatory pick next winter if and when Cease were to leave in free agency.
It would obviously take more than just the CBR-B pick to obtain Cease, but just having a tradable draft selection gives the O’s an interesting chip that most other teams linked to Cease can’t offer. Of the teams publicly known to have interest in Cease, Minnesota is the only other club who has a CBR selection — the Twins select in CBR-A this year, so their possession of the 36th overall pick could even give them a leg up over the Orioles. However, what the Twins don’t have is two extra compensatory picks expanding their overall draft pool, so Minnesota might well be less willing to move its CBR pick than the Orioles.
Regardless of whether the CBR-B pick is traded or not, Baltimore is already going to be getting a heck of a bounty back in the 2025 draft. Selecting six prospects within the top 94 is a terrific way to help restock a thinned-out farm system, but selecting five prospects and trading the 71st overall pick for some immediate help might be the more effective way of managing the Orioles’ long-term and short-term goals.
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Any conversation with Cease to Orioles has to start with Kjerstad and include a young close to or mlb ready arm such as McDermott Patrick Reily or Brandon Young as a starting point.
Okay, so no conversation it is then.
Well considering Cowser Mullins and O Neil already occupy 3 OF positions, none of Cowser, Mullins, O Neil, Kjerstad pitch, and Cease is a better short term option than the aforementioned pitchers given the Orioles cheap bats you’re right they should just stick to their usual do nothing or don’t do enough approach that’s worked well last 3 years
“Hey Orioles you need actual starters” nah we good
Bounced from playoffs
“Hey orioles you need another TOR arm besides Burnes” ight bet Trevor Rodgers come on down!
Bounced from the playoffs
“Hey Orioles you really need to add a TOR arm to replace Burnes” no we don’t!
Bounced from the playoffs
Kjerstad isn’t getting traded for a 1 year rental, but I don’t blame you for wanting someone to overpay for Cease. I would too if the roles were reversed.
The Orioles acquired arguably the best SP that was traded at the 2024 deadline, but ignoring Eflin to dunk on the Rogers trade helps your bad argument look less bad, so I don’t blame you for that either.
Yeah orioles fans said the same thing about Ortiz being the 63rd prospect being tossed around in the Burnes deal and norby not being traded to wind up in the Rodgers deal
Orioles fans don’t really seem to have that good of a pulse on what their own team is doing. No offense
I have a very good grasp of what the Orioles are doing.
You clearly do not since you seem to believe that Mike Elias trading Kjerstad for a 1 year rental is remotely realistic and were also seemingly unaware of the Eflin trade, which was far more relevant to the discussion than the Rogers trade.
They were bounced from the playoffs with the top of the rotation arm. Trading for rentals every year is not the way to go.
Burnes and Eflin gave up a combined 2 earned runs in our 2 playoff games last year.
Starting pitching clearly wasn’t the issue.
“we got eflin!”
I like how you focus on 9 games as an orioles calling him the best SP traded ignoring his entire body of work that makes him a decent 3 good 4
Your homerism isnt an excuse to be this blind lmao
Sure you do. Whatever helps you sleep at night knowing the Orioles will be bounced yet again from the playoffs for failing to address the elephant in the room everyone’s been screaming about for 3 years – the rotation. But this year will be different overpaying for Sugano, Morton, and failing to replace Burnes. Totally lmao
“unaware of the eflin trade”
9 starts with the Orioels doesnt outweigh the previous 177 games he’s pitched like a decent 3 or good 4 with Philly and Tampa. No matter how poorly you try to spin the eflin trade as a positive TOR move, its not and never will be.
I said “arguably the best” and he was nothing short of excellent after the trade so I don’t really see why you’re so upset by my objectively accurate comment.
“yay we got a career decent 3 good 4 (177 games pitched) who gave us some good games (9 games)! arguably the best SP traded!”
Bounced from the playoffs.
Watching Eflin fall back to his career norms across an entire season, Sugano potentially struggle transitioning from NPB to MLB as a 35 year old, Morton continue to struggle across a full seasons work load at 41, Rodgers not live up to his trade value should make for an exciting season.
You claimed that they did nothing but trade for Trevor Rogers, which was objectively wrong, and so I pointed it out. Simple as. I know you’re embarrassed by the mistake, but there’s no need to be hostile. Just learn from your error and try to be better in the future 🙂
And Orioles starting pitching gave up 2 earned runs in 12 innings in the 2024 playoffs, so I’m not really sure why you keep trying to connect the playoff loss last year to the starting pitching.
“Even if the Orioles might technically have a rotation surplus if all their starters are healthy, it isn’t clear if any of Grayson Rodriguez, Zach Eflin, Morton, or Sugano are necessarily the pitcher you’d want starting the first game of a playoff series.”
Even the author agrees with me lmao
Kjerstad is a bust
BBB- Kjerstad has a 116 OPS+ in his first 50+ MLB games. You must have very high standards if that is a “bust” to you.
Mr. Fleet- That’s nice 🙂
“Even if the Orioles might technically have a rotation surplus if all their starters are healthy, it isn’t clear if any of Grayson Rodriguez, Zach Eflin, Morton, or Sugano are necessarily the pitcher you’d want starting the first game of a playoff series.”
Truth hurts. Cuts deep. Was pretty obious you don’t have that good of a pulse on your own team. Homerism is a hellvua drug.
For future reference, don’t quote someones production in small sample sizes
55 innings for Eflin
50 games for Kjerstad
Means very little in such a small sample size.
It’s a perfectly fine rotation to get us to the deadline in playoff position, where further additions can be made if needed, plus Bradish should be back in the second half.
I’m sorry that you won’t be getting 6 years of Kjerstad for 1 year of Cease like you desperately want, but throwing a temper tantrum over it isn’t a great look.
Then the Orioles should let Kjerstad play. Either they think he can hit so then they should play him near full time, or if they think he won’t hit, then trade him. This part time stuff with your better prospects really stunts their development. I mean, he’ll be 26 on Opening Day – what are they waiting for?
beyou- Kjerstad is going to get plenty of playing time next year between LF/RF/DH. Not quite full time, but probably in the neighborhood of 400 ABs.
He was also getting near full time play last year and looked to be breaking out, then he got drilled in the head by a 97 mph Clay Holmes fastball in July and suffered with lingering concussion issues for most of the rest of the season.
Why is a guy with “San Diego” in his username droning on about other teams getting bounced from the playoffs?
Because they need at least 2 top of the rotation arms as I posted, repeatedly, over the past few years,
Im sorry your team is eliminated from the playoffs before they even begin King Fool
Just like yourself the Orioles are too foolish to look at the situation without rose colored glasses their rotation is a bunch of 3 4 and 5 who can maybe get them a wild card. A fitting pair indeed foolish fan for a fitting foolish team.
The trade deadline is a thing, you know. In fact, the Orioles traded for arguably the best SP to change hands at last year’s deadline 😉
Also, you seem to have missed the part about our ace, Kyle Bradish, being on track for a second half return from his TJS.
Anyway, I am sorry that you’re so upset about not getting what you wanted and making yourself look so silly, and I hope you feel better soon <3
Annnnnnnnnnd Orioles are eliminated from 2025
playoff contention, the young core gets older and more expensive as arb prices rise.
2026 off season story line – Orioles desperate for top of rotation arms, again.
Hey King, how would rate the following players in your willingness to trade one of them for a Frontline starter: Westburg, Cowser, Kjerstad, Mayo…thanks just curious what you think.
They lost because they didn’t hit…
I’ve got your back KFlock.
In 2023 the Orioles won 101 games with “a bunch of 3, 4 and 5” starters. In 2024, they won 91 with a TOR in front of “a bunch of 3, 4 and 5” starters. What? Why? The rotation outside of Wells that broke ST camp in 23 were remarkably healthy all season. In 24, devastated by injury throught the season.
And Red Fraggle; yes, they “lost because they didn’t hit” in the clutch.
A below average defensive corner OFer who has yet to establish himself in MLB and is turning 26? It’s rare for these guys to really make it.
ISOB- Interesting question, and pretty tough. I’ll go with Mayo, Kjerstad, Cowser, Westburg from most willing to least, although I am tempted to flip Cowser and Kjerstad since the LF wall at OPACY is being brought back in a good bit this year, which makes Cowser’s excellent defense in left far less critical than if it was still going to be the friggin’ Grand Canyon out there.
CYJeff- Thanks buddy 🙂
JackStrawb- He’s been doing fine so far as a big leaguer and he’s only taken this long to fully arrive due to freakish circumstances, like missing a year due to a sudden, random case of myocarditis and getting beaned in the head by a Clay Holmes fastball. It isn’t for lack of success on the field, because he has performed well at every level, including MLB so far.
Ignorant — I know you asked King but I’ll jump the line (curious what King would say too).
Westberg, Cowser, Kjerstad, and Mayo are all available for a Frontline starter…it’s about years of control.
Ranking? ; Cowser most valuable/least tradeable, than Kjersted, Westberg, and Mayo.
Jones in Pittsburgh, or Miller in Seattle are types of arms that’d have those guys in a trade.
Willingness is related to control of the returning pitcher. As I see it anyway.
The only reason I’d consider moving Cowser is bc I think last year was about his ceiling.
If some other team was to give us a TOR guy for him—-be tough for me to say no. He’s a nice player but I don’t believe there’s a star there.
Jbigz12. I wouldn’t move any of them. Too early to quit on.
To me, when Rodriguez doesn’t overthrow, he’s a TOR. And then there’s Bradish. He was down right filthy before injury. Both YOUNG and controllable. Hoping they are that 1, 2 punch for years to come. Let’s see.
Elias had success in 22 and 23 bringing in older durable FA SPs. Looks like, and I’m hoping, it’s the plan in 25. Go gettum fellas!
Jbigz12 — Last years runner-up ROY hit his ceiling in year 1?? The defensive stalwalter in year 1? That guy?! The guy with elite speed and elite shortness of his swing?
Nah, you must mean some other guy. Maybe your remembering Stowers? Maybe you mean Colton Cowser for Paul Skeans?
Why would you try and Moooooooooove the Milk Man?!
The Moo man reminds me of Kirk Gibson. Both big country strong types that can run … and with gifted hand eye coordination. Great get by Elias and crew.
To be clear his ceiling is a very good player (like he was last year) but yes I don’t think Cowser is going to hit another level.
K’s a ton and is very streaky. It’s like the career year we saw from Mullins. Yeah he was fantastic and controllable but was he going to sustain it or improve upon? Obviously Mullins did not. I don’t believe Cowser is going to drop off in that way but I don’t believe there’s more there
Very good question roguesaw2
Orioles are 0-5 in their last 2 post season appearances
Padres are 10 and 9 in their last two post season appearances
How do the padres have more wins (literally double the amount) than orioles have games played last 2 post season appearances?
I’ll wait. But I won’t be able to hear you over the 0-5 record with zero wins.
It is good advice not to quote small sample sizes. The Orioles played in 328 games the last two years and you only point to 4 of them as reason to change the entire plan Elias has put in place since arriving in Baltimore. The large sample size shows that plan to be quite successful and they will be just fine in 2025.
55 innings for Efflin and 50 games for Kjerstad, but you argue they should make lopsided trades because they lost 2 games to KC and 2 games to Texas.
Not an overpay to give market value for a top #1 starting pitcher who finished in the “top five”voting for Cy Young Award multiple times in the last 5 seasons.;
Disagree. Neither Ortiz or DL Hall were anywhere near the prospect that Kjerstad is and you could also easily argue that Burnes was a better get than Cease would be.
“Start with Kjerstad and a young MLB ready arm as a starting point”, for a rental? They might not even be willing to give up Kjerstad alone. Not saying I wouldn’t tho, because I’m sick of all these prospects rarely turning into anything. If I’m in win now mode, I’d do what I had to in order to finish the team off.
“I’m sick of all these prospects rarely turning into anything”
Adley, Gunnar, Westburg, Cowser, Grayson, and Bradish didn’t turn into anything? That’s certainly news to me.
Dsett is not wrong. Top prospects don’t always pan out and there are tons of examples if that. Look at Torkelson if you want an example and your own top prospect didn’t have a banner first year either. Prospects can fill voids in the lineup (and Baltimore has done a great job of that) but they are also capital to trade for proven commodities to fill lineup voids. For Baltimore, I would point out that their recent record for developing pitching prospects is not on par with teams like TB and Seattle. Trade from a position of strength to get what you need to win championships. Kjerstad is not established but Cease is and does he not fit in well in Baltimore’s rotation?
Kjerstad has a 116 OPS+ through his first 50+ MLB games. I wouldn’t necessarily call that “established,” but considering his draft and prospect pedigrees, I certainly would call him a guy you don’t trade for a 1 year rental.
But if he could be the centerpiece to land Bryan Woo or Jared Jones? Sure, let’s talk.
Theres a reason nobody wins mvp batting awards gold gloves in 50 games. You keep citing it like it means something when it actually doesnt mean jack.
Can you please shut up and go help your hometown team win a World Series? Do you not get enough fiber on your diet? The O’s know what they’re doing and you’re clearly unstable. Can’t stand dorks whose teams haven’t even won it all even once trying to dunk on franchises that have. Take a fiber suplement, please.
Careful there, mcbride.
He’s an internet bada$$ with a temper 😉
They know how to get bounced from the playoffs and waste years on cheap players they won’t be able to afford. And they’re doing great at it if that’s the goal.
“We almost competed for a World Series” the fans will say during the next rebuilding phase
Man stop hyping me up I’m blushing
“We’ve never won a World Series”, says every Padres fan ever. You got dunked on, pal.
Isn’t San Diego wasting years on expensive players it can no longer afford?
Rafael Palmeiro won a Gold Glove in 1999 despite playing in only 28 games at first base.
I think the Orioles prospects have been doing just fine.
Only way kjerstad is on the table is if Cease signs an extension as part of the trade, very doubtful
The funny thing about this article is that the author mentions that the Orioles have an extra Competitive Balance B pick to trade for Cease, but never mentions that Cease comes with his own Competitive Balance A pick. If Cease doesn’t re-sign with the Orioles after this year, they get an extra supplement 1st round pick out of it. Anyone who trades for Cease gets an extra 1st round pick. That value needs to be part of the trade price.
Javia- you’re incorrect with the assertion “Anyone who trades for Cease gets an extra 1st round pick.”
The *only* teams that can attain that are ones who are revenue sharing recipients who dont breach the CBT.
If a non-revenue sharing team acquires him, and pays the cbt, the only get a 4th round pick.
AND, that assumes he rejects a QO and signs for enough money on another deal. If he blows out an elbow? Goes down with surgery? Well, if he’s generally not going to pitch in ’26 while recovering he’d likely accept the QO and you get NO pick back, and, just pay a guy to sit injured all offseason. Or, he declines the QO, signs a 2 year rehab deal worth less than the minimum to see compensation, and you still get nothing.
You don’t get to price a guaranteed pick at the back of the 1st round into anything
The article does say they would get a pick if Cease signs elsewhere
Every player is eligible for a Qualifying Offer when they first hit free agency. As long as he has been on the same team all year and never received a QO before.
Javia, again, you miss the facts that compensation is NOT guaranteed between the 1st and second round.
The only thing true is Cease will be eligible for a QO, *if* hes traded in time and doesnt move again all season. Which if he’s HURT, he accepts and you get nothing, and, may not even make sense to tender a QO. It’s happened before with guys.
If you arent one of those bottom-10 revenue/market teams and are a CBT payor? *BEST* case scenario is a pick just before the 5th round!
There’s a bunch of moving parts that determine whether you get that elusive pick just before the 2nd round.
Heck, even if the Os traded for Cease, and he hurts himself, declines a QO, and signs for under $50m because of it, the team STILL can’t do better than a comp pick before the 3rd round at best!
You’re talking an extremely limited market with everything going just right for anyone to get that pick before round 2.
“Not guaranteed”. You are correct. If Cease suffers a major injury and/or signs for less than $50 million total, he won’t generate a 1st round pick. What are the chances? Cease has never had a major injury as a pro. He is as healthy and consistently available as pro pitchers get. What are the chances that Cease signs for less than $50 million? 20%? 10%? Less? There is a TINY chance that he wouldn’t generate a 1st round pick for the Cubs and a HUGE chance that he does.
Actually Javia, there’s a ZERO percent chance for Cease to generate a 1st round pick for the Cubs. You are incorrect to state “There is a TINY chance that he wouldn’t generate a 1st round pick for the Cubs and a HUGE chance that he does.”
ZERO.
The cubs are not a net revenue sharing recipient due to market size and income.
They are not eligible for anything higher than a pick before the 3rd round. Ever.
Again, I respectfully suggest you brush up on the rules around QO comp picks
You are Partially correct: Teams OVER the CBT don’t get a pick. The bottom 10 teams in payroll in MLB receive a Supplemental 1st Round pick. Those teams who are neither, which will likely include both the Cubs and the Padres, get a Supplemental 2nd Round pick.
We were both “partially” correct. 🙂
Nothing incorrect about what I said. The pick falls immediately before the 3rd round at best for the Cubs. Not right before the 2nd as you claimed.
Where wasn’t I correct in any way?
Also, teams over the CBT still get a pick as well. It just falls right before the 5th round.
The measuring stick is also not your payroll, it’s your status as a net revenue sharing recipient. Does what you paid in revenue sharing exceed what every team gets back? If yes, youre a net payor. If no, you’re a net recipient.
The only place your payroll is involved is as I previously stated… if above the CBT line you’re devalued. If all 30 teams are above the CBT everyone is devalued, respectively, from their original spot.
Ranking among the 30 clubs in payroll size doesn’t have a role, it’s just a fact that most net recipients of revenue sharing run smaller payroll.
Think you’re looking more like one of Povich/McDermott paired with one of Beavers/Fabian and the tradeable pick. There’s no need for Elias to move Kjerstad here, and i doubt there’s desire. Just as last year with Burnes the chatter was Mayo and Rodriguez! And reality was Ortiz and Hall.
Kjerstad is too much. But Povich and Beavers isn’t anywhere close to enough.
The article mentions the picks but San Diego wants immediate help not draft picks.
I don’t think the Orioles are a good match with the Padres. They have outfielders to trade but the outfielders aren’t quite ready yet. The Orioles don’t have a long jam of big league talent like the Mets or Cubs have and big league talent is what the Padres want.
Povich would be a better get for the Padres than DL Hall was for the Brewers in the Burnes trade. He started quite a bit for the Os and, while a work in progress, was occasionally brilliant. I doubt the Os want to trade him, especially for a rental.
That might not be an unreasonable conversation starter if cease still had two years of team control as he did last off-season when he was traded by the White Sox but he only has one now. Orioles aren’t gonna give up both Kjerstad who at this point is also an MLB ready outfielder and an MLB ready pitcher. One or the other? possibly. But not both.
You smoking that San Diego crack uh .
Kremer, O’Hearn, Mountcastle, Mullins and Pick 71 and another prospect (Young? McDermott?)for Cease and Arraez.
Padres save $1.3MM and fill their LF and DH spots for a year. They get 2 years of Mounty at 1B to replace Arraez and 3 years of Kremer to replace Cease. Their whole offseason in one move.
O’s play Arraez at 1B and lead off, moving Gunnar to 3rd spot. Cease is the rental Ace. Kjerstad is the everyday LF. The DH spot is wide open. It could be Urías or The Sanchez/Rutschman duo they’ll do a lot of. It’ll become Mayo’s spot when he bangs the door down early in the season.
This trade would probably make the Orioles worse in 2025 and definitely worse in 2026 since both Cease and Arraez are 1 year rentals.
Not that I like this trade but they would also have an additional 28m off the books and could replace at least one of them. Along with another first round pick.
It makes both the O’s and Pads better in for the ’25 season than either currently is. The O’s can then QO both and be in a position to recieve 2 compensatory picks again. At least one if Cease stays healthy. They may be less willing on Arraez if it looks like he might accept. They may also be OK with that at years end. But this is a proposal that takes the state of and needs of each team into consideration with a lot of moving pieces and makes total sense on paper at least upon first glance. Most trade ideas coming from this message board are so bad and homercentric they’re not even laughable. I think Letsgo did a heck of a job and even included the 1.3 savings. It doesn’t make the O’s worse this year and not making this trade doesn’t put them in a much better position for ’26. If mediocrity is what you want instead of the ace you will absolutely need then sure. The Pads need bodies and this does it.
Appreciate the kind words.
That it has a lot of moving pieces means that it will never happen. Keep it simple.
NYCityRiddler tries so hard to be funny but fails so badly that he needs to laugh at his own jokes since no one else does, and he has very thin skin so he blocks you if you point his shortcomings out. Sad!
Simm- That is true and that occurred to me as well, but Kremer and Mountcastle will both cost much less than comparable replacements in free agency, although I guess the hope would be that Mayo would have staked his claim to the 1B job by then so no outside addition would be necessary in that area.
King- If mayo isn’t going to be ready by then. The O’s should trade him now.
He’s still quite young and some guys take longer than others to figure it out, but if Mayo could land us a controllable young SP like Woo in Seattle or Jones in Pittsburgh, I would happily trade him.
Mayo won’t land either. Too strike out prone and not enough walk ability to off set it. Lot of swing and miss in his game. Mariners and Pirates can get a better deal elsewhere for Woo and Jones respectively.
Mayo is a consensus top 20 prospect in the sport with top of the scale power. If Mike Elias actually made him fully available for trade (I don’t think he has or will), his phone would probably be ringing off the hook.
Thats cool.
Strike out prone
Not enough walks
Lots of holes in his swing
Didn’t disprove a single thing I said about him lmao
Mariners and Pirates, same as SF an SD, both play in parks whos atmospheric conditions affect power bats like Mayo. As such they need more contact oriented hitters not guys who could crush 40 HRs in Cincy or Domes but barely break 20 in Seattle and Pitt.
So no, Mayo wont be the centerpiece to a Woo or Jones deal. They can get a better deal elsewhere that actually fits what they need hitter wise, which isnt Mayo
I’m more inclined to trust the legion of professional prospect evaluators who pretty much universally agree that Mayo is an elite prospect over some rando goofball who is absolutely seething about not getting what he wants in the MLBTR comments section.
Sorry, bro 🙂
He didn’t say that Mayo wasn’t a top prospect. He simply said he wasn’t a good match for what those teams are likely looking for. It’s just an opinion. No need for name calling.
Again…..didn’t disprove a single thing I said lmao
You’re showing off your illiteracy like you’re proud you can read at a 2nd grade level.
Take some time off these message boards and go apologize to all your English teachers for wasting their time on you.
King Fool: Mayo big power bat
Me: that’s cool power bats struggle to hit for power in Seattle and Pittsburgh. Mayo isn’t the best center piece for Woo or Jones.
King Fool: I SAID MAYO BIG POWER BAT
Lmao
You’re so mad lol.
“MAYO BIG POWER BAT”
Did nobody teach you things like english science math in school or something? Oh maybe you were one of “those kids” who was in the special class working on telling time and learning the alphabet in middle school. My bad man. I try to not make it a habit of arguing with special needs people like yourself.
stymee- He’s been throwing a temper tantrum for hours now because he really wants Heston Kjerstad (plus other pieces) for 1 year of Dylan Cease but isn’t going to get it, and he was calling me names long before I called him any.
Also, I said “a young controllable SP like Woo or Jones.” It doesn’t necessarily have to be one of those 2 specific guys, just someone in that vein, i.e. not a 1 year rental.
Why would I be throwing a temper tantrum?
Cease has plenty of suitors. I suggested Kjerstad but padres probably don’t even want him. Knowing Preller he’s out asking for Holliday or Basallo as the main piece.
And nobody is calling the orioles about their OF surplus in the majors and looming in the minors. Wonder why nobody is asking about Cowser Mullins Kjerstad Beavers Bradfield Fabian
Nobody is asking about Mayo either.
I am very sorry for making you so angry, little buddy. I really hope I didn’t completely ruin your Saturday 🙂
Anyway, you’re still not getting Kjerstad+ for Cease lol.
Why is nobody calling the orioles about their OF surplus?
You? Never. Spending time with a special needs kid like yourself is doing the lords work. I’m sure your parents needed a well deserved break. Glad I could be your friend today little fella.
So was Brett Baty two years ago. And i know he’s not officially a bust, but a 55-60 prospect not panning out isnt so unusual.
I’ve recently heard MLB radio analysts compare him to Trumbo, which is not a top tier player.
Obviously he could turn out to be excellent, but just bc hes highly rated doesnt mean it will necessarily happen so they should be open to the right offers.
101 wins in 23, 91 wins in 24, 81 wins in 25. Elias Is a clown & Rubenstein is a fool… & a cheap one at that. Ahahahahaha!
Interesting
All due respect, the returns from the Orange Birds seems light. Trying to pass off “old” junk for a TOR Ace and a batting champ? Rentals or not, the acquisition costs will hurt some.
Mullins and O’Hearn aren’t old junk. They fit holes SD has right now and are super solid. Kremer is cheap and controllable for 3 years and is close to MLB average, with some upside albeit limited. Mountcastle is solid and controllable for 2 years. On top, SD gets a draft pick and a super solid prospect.
Well, unless that super solid prospect is Kjerstad or Mayo then this is still deemed light. Pick #70 or whatever doesn’t retain *that* much practical weight. Kremer is a 5 or 6 on the Pads. Mountcastle isn’t needed, per se. Mullins is solid but isn’t controllable. Mish-mash menagerie won’t cut it for Cease and Arraez. We’ll need our socks knocked off, and maybe BAL isn’t willing to do that. No sweat on no trade!
I think you’re undervaluing Mullins and O’Hearn. They are 30 and 31 respectively and will make $8.75MM and $8MM respectively. Both immediately fill holes in the SD lineup and are way better/cheaper than any options in FA. They had 107 and 122 OPS+ last year.
By comparison the Mariners, who are desperate for offense, signed Jorge Polanco (31yo, OPS+ 93) for $7.75MM to be their starting 3B.
The Padres would be getting two super solid immediate starting hitters (rentals), a 3-year controllable SP4 if you’re being honest (name 4 or 5 SPs that would be ahead of him) and Mountcastle who is a nice piece for 2 years.
They would also be getting a draft pick this year and a solid prospect, one year before losing the two draft picks they’d get for QO denials from Cease and Arraez).
It’s not a crazy trade.
Expecting 6 years of Kjerstad or Mayo for 1 year of Cease is borderline on crazy. Even if it’s both Cease and Arraez, especially considering the salary offset in a trade structure like that.
I’m not entirely sure the Orioles want to trade Mountcastle. I get 1B is the likely home of top prospect Mayo, and Mountcastle is an average to solid average bat, but Mountcastle is demonstrably better defensively at 1B than Mayo. Run prevention is important to this front office. And it makes middle and back of the rotation starters useable.
Regarding Cease/Arraez, I doubt Mayo/Basallo/Hjerstad are needed to make that trade. Should of asked for that last summer. I do, however, agree there would need to be solid prospects (plural) in the return.
Why are the Padres looking to trade Cease? To save money and drop below the CBT. That’s the only reason he is up for trade. The Padres don’t want to take back 2 players who cost more together than Cease does. That would negate the whole point of the trade.
I would suggest the Pads aren’t trying to trade Cease, they’re just listening to phone calls. If they were *trying to* move Cease, then I would further suggest that they’re not doing it to save payroll but rather obtain sensible, quality returns. The kind an ace (rental or not) obtains.
I don’t think that’s true?
The CBT is set at $241MM for 2025. The Padres payroll at present is about $200MM. Unless I’m missing something?
I thought the Padres ownership just wanted to stay at about where they’re currently at.
This trade lets them stay pretty much exactly where they’re at, all the while filling holes.
The Padres CBT payroll is $249.1 million
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hUvYNZODpusJEJQm41… .
Thanks for this! Gonna look at this all day now.
Crazy trade, Letsgolos? No.
Fair-ish and equitable? Sorta.
Sensible for my Pads? No.
Is this a move the O’s would do? 100%
Cease and Arraez should both net Comp As, not pick #71-ish.
I don’t blame you for wanting to move quantity, but it’s going to take more quality to net an Ace and a 3-time consecutive batting champ. Rentals or not. Anyway, I’m repeating myself too much here, ttyl!
You are far overvaluing them. The Padres are not trading for 30 and 31 year old players with little or no team control. That is not close to enough for Cease alone. Just stop.
The return for Cease should be lighter than what Milwaukee received for Burnes. Not more. He’s just not as good.
The return has got to be a bonanza or the Padres are not biting.
The Padres have the payroll to just “hold em” and wait 6 months or a bit longer when their 2026 payroll drops to 137M.
Cease is under contract with Padres for 2024.
The Padres can hold him and pick up the draft pick and competitive balance pick in ’26
OR trade him now and pick up multiple young, cost controlled players who can help them in the 2025 pennant race.
And, it could save them 13.75M for CBT and for adding to their roster in other places.
The market changed and that is what Preller is asking for. There are no other even halfway good pitchers on the market. If a team wants Cease, they will pay Preller’s price or he will stay a Padre. As all the FO said at Fan Fest, they can sustain this level of payroll. They don’t need to trade Cease or anyone else unless it makes the 2025 squad better.
Gwynning- Yeah, this looks like a deal neither team would be particularly interested in.
100% agree Floch. It makes for fun speculation, but I honestly don’t think we line up as well as some believe. We’re not budging off a big ask and I don’t think the O’s just start throwing prospect capital around. No worries! A “no trade” is fine here.
Gwynning King — 3rd-sies. I really don’t understand why Baltimore would want Arraez. One year of him vs 2 yrs of Mountcastle…I’ll stay with Mountcastle.
Compadre, it will hurt muy mucho. Morosi said at the Winter Meetings that Preller wanted Mayer, Abreu and more for Cease when the Red Sox called. We found out yesterday that he asked for Shaw, Assad, and Brown from the Cubs around that same time.
As the top free agents have come off the board Cease’s price has not dropped or he would have been traded already. He is the best pitcher that might be available and the Padres will still want a top prospect and a couple of arms that can potentially step right into the rotation.
Gwynning, do these fans really think a 3rd round pick will move the needle? These are the same ones that tried to claim that a #34 overall pick that the Orioles sent to the Brewers as part of the trade for Burnes was worth nothing.
Now they are also trying to say that Kjerstad the 55 FV prospect is much better than the 55 FV Ortiz. The rating counts for more than the ranking. Not much difference between a #32 and a #63 is they are both rated at a 55 FV.
We found out in the last few days that at the Winter Meetings when the Cubs called about Cease, the Padres asked for Shaw, Assad, and Brown plus a low level guy. We already knew from Jon Paul Morosi that Preller had asked the Red Sox for Mayer, Abreu and two MLB ready SP around that same time.
Now Orioles fans are trying to say no way the Padres will get a prospect from them that will likely sit in AAA because he can’t crack the major league roster? Because Cease is a rental?
Sometimes people have such short memories combined with a total lack of understanding of how things actually work. Supply and demand rules trades and the supply of good starters is Flaherty right now. That is it. That is why teams have called the Padres about Cease. Because those teams need him, not the other way around. The Padres have the supply, and he is in high demand.
As Dave Dombrowski said once, prospects are just prospects until they can prove at the major league level that they can produce at a very high level consistently.
There are many, many highly rated 1st and 2nd round “prospects”
who never amount to much @ the major league level
and become AAAA players or just average or below average major leaguers if they even make it to the major leagues.
Prospects “flaming out” happens more often than not.
Letsgolos — It’s interesting, but I’m not sure why the Orioles would want Arraez. Also not sure they’d move that much MLB level talent. Sure they have prospects to cover those positions, but that’s a lot of projection, and if any fail or are injured, the Orioles become very thin quickly.
The Burnes trade seems to be the template: CBR pick and 2 fringe 100 prospects.
I’m not sure the Pads will/should trade Cease.
They need Mullins 8n CF the majority of games. No OF is MLB ready for daily CF. Carlson can start against lhps if he makes the roster. Cowser is not really a CF, even if they start him against some lefties.
It would make them better in 2025. They have natural fill ins for Mullins (Kjerstad) and O’Hearn (they’re gonna DH Sanchez/rutsch a lot, plus Mayo). They get upgrades at 1B (offensively at least) with Arraez and at SP with Cease.
Agreed on 2026, though.
Neither Kjerstad nor Cowser is an everyday CF. Playing anyone in the org daily other than Mullins would hurt them tremendously
Blake Burke. Not Brock Burke
baseballtradevalues.com/trades/180917
Os aren’t giving up Bradfield for a rental
Povich being worth 20 million is crazy. Not sure how they came up with that.
He’s a young left-handed pitcher who already has 16 MLB starts under his belt and has shown marked improvement as he has gotten more experience. He looks like he can stick as a starter and potentially reach the ceiling of a #3, and he still has a full 6 years of control.
I’m not sure what exact dollar amount I would attach to that, but it is valuable.
He was bad last year. He had an ERA over 5 how does that show he can still as a starter or a big leaguer?
@kingfloch. But he’s 2x the value of Bradfield. Who is supposed to be an elite defensive centerfielder and a table setter. I honestly don’t think Bradfield is that, he’s Billy Hamilton 2.0. But, povich being worth 2 Bradfields? Nah. Plus having the comp pick and Perez be throw ins to get the value up? Nope. This trade is a non-starter for the padres.
Kremer, O’hearn (to play outfield) for Cease. Maybe throw in a Tier 5 prospect.
Getting Cease changes whole outlook on season. There’s your #1 starter, an ace for the playoffs. Do something. Go O’s !
Among the least likely things to happen on the planet is the Os trading one of their 2025 draft picks. They will already have both pick and pool dominance. The pool will break the all time record by 20% and “clumping” picks in one draft is extremely strategic.
They might trade a 2026 CB pick, but not a 2025. I actually think they are targeting another 2025 pick.
But if Cease is traded to MN, the Os may pivot to Lopez (doubtful MN will pay both of them) and ask for Lopez and MN’s 36 pick for the type of player package that they could trade for Cease.
Win now teams should not be focusing on draft picks.
There’s that linear thinking again.
The constant of proportionality for the Orioles is bounced from the playoffs. Year 1, year 2, year 5.
That’s one thing the O’s and Pads both have in common!
This year’s pick is in cbr b, next year will be in cbr a, so much higher and far less likely to be traded.
There is only one draft pick that the Orioles can trade and that is number 74, the competitive balance B round pick They cannot trade the compensatory pics for Burnes or Santander.
Like last year, the Dylan Cease talks begin again!
I like the idea of using the CBR-B pick to do some of the lifting in a deal for a rotation upgrade, but roster space is a bit of an issue at this point. Adding another SP would require moving someone out of our currently full MLB pitching staff, which would likely have to be one of Dean Kremer or Albert Suarez (with the remaining guy serving as the long man in the pen).
Kremer could be optioned, I guess, but he has done more than enough at this point in his career to make that seem kind of insulting to him, and a complete waste of an asset, so I think that is unlikely, and I don’t think he will be traded with 3 of the 5 current rotation incumbents slated for free agency after 2025 (Eflin, Sugano, Morton).
So that leaves Suarez, who I believe cannot be optioned, as the likely odd man out. He somewhat quietly had a nice 2024, so he might be a decent piece to include in the return for the other team since he could immediately backfill the rotation spot vacated by the guy getting traded to Baltimore with a competent arm.
I feel like with Kremer you know exactly what you are getting too. Eflin, Grod, and Kremer are locked. I assume Morton takes a spot. So it’s between Suarez, Sugano, and Rogers fighting for the fifth spot with Povich and McDermott waiting? Man Burnes in there with Bradish and Wells looking to get back in 2nd half the rotation could have been really good. Still wouldn’t mind Means back too
Hit up Minnesota and give them kremer the cba pick and Beavers for Lopez since they are in money trouble
I don’t think that’s quite enough for Lopez, but you’re on the right track. Probably takes another decent prospect or two, but not Mayo/Basallo tier guys.
Reunite the Suarez bros, one way or another? Distinct possibility! Cheers Flocher
gorav- Sugano is a lock for the rotation. Suarez will be in the pen to start the year if he isn’t traded and Rogers will be AAA depth.
Gwynning- That would be pretty cool and it definitely crossed my mind, but as you said elsewhere in the comments, the match between the Orioles and Padres isn’t as good as many people think.
Not entirely up to date on SD’s IF situation but would Mountcastle or Urias be of any interest? Mountcastle or Urias, Suarez, the draft pick, and a pair of interesting but further away prospects is more of a quantity over quality type of return, but it would spread Cease’s value around for both the present and the future, plus leave some money ($6 or 7 million I believe, and even more if it’s Urias instead of Mountcastle) on the table for another addition or two.
Not nitpicking here, but just feels too light. SD’s IF is set, bar a possible bench upgrade. The rotation could use a +1, and maybe the same thing in LF, but I have every bit of faith that Preller will fill the cracks in with ballers. Whether that be via trade, swooping on ST DFAs, aging FA options… idk. We shall see!
I agree that it feels light, although the prospects could change that depending on who would actually be included since we have some really interesting young international guys moving up the ladder now that we are finally fully active in that market.
It’s just not a great fit since our ready/near ready prospects aren’t really guys that should be traded for 1 year rentals. Beavers and Bradfield are probably the next best near ready guys after Kjerstad/Mayo/Holliday/Basallo, but neither of them really feels like a headliner for Cease.
Depends how SdP feels about Povich/Mcdermott and guys like Beavers/Mounty etc.
Is there a package of those guys that could get get it done? I don’t know. Padres could def use some LT pieces. Depends on their valuation of our guys.
The Os aren’t trading for a SP rental again. They’ll be in the same exact position next season, which they don’t want. They missed their shot on Garret Crochet. A veteran under multiple years like Pablo Lopez or Luis Castillo make a lot of sense if they can’t find a match on a younger pitcher.
Garret Crotchet has been injured a lot and does not have the track record of Dylan Cease as a starter. Crotchet will be on a innings limit.
Yeah, Crochet probably wasn’t the best candidate either. One of the Seattle pitchers would be a good move for the O’s — but the Mariners probably want Jordan Westburg or maybe even Jackson Holliday — two guys the O’s don’t want to trade. I’m surprised the Mariners have not dealt Luis Castillo to someone yet, but they are probably asking too much for him.
I actually they would be interested in being in this position again. If the guy is good, net a comp pick. If he’s hurt, get out without further commitment. Seems like a very Orioles way of handling starting pitching.
Burnes is really the only 1 year rental they traded for recently who is also a top player. I can’t think of anyone else. Any rentals they get will be guys who are much easier to replace. Cease is not that guy. They’d much rather trade their comp pick for someone who will be around into 2026 as well. This is why Seattle is the perfect trading partner for the O’s, but it appears neither team is budging on the other team’s demands. Maybe they remember how the O’s fleeced them for Adam Jones and Chris Tillman all those years ago.
However, Mike is once again going to be choosing outfielders, and his draft choices have not been strong enough to replenish the prospects he has spent on those ridiculous one year deals.
Next year the Orioles will be losing three of their five starters, and if they traded for Cease, they would be losing four of them. That’s a lousy way to run a team.
The O’s cbr pick this year is their 5th(71 overall) and the only one that can be traded. They would still have the 94th after that. Leaving them with 5 in the top 100 if they decide to trade the pick. I don’t see how they wouldn’t want to turn that pick into a major league asset for 25
If Dylan Cease is traded before the year starts, he comes with his own supplemental 1st round pick. When a player comes with his own 1st round pick in case he leaves, his price goes up.
@Javia135
SD had better act quickly, that comp pick goes away once the season starts.
No it doesnt Grom, it stays with SD if they retain Cease all year.
you’re correct but with the wallet issues in San Diego, there’s a pretty low chance he stays all year. if they move him after the season starts, they can’t get a comp pick if they offer him a QO after the season. wait all season they are out his salary and cutting the payroll is important to them right now.
I would think that a trade somewhere will happen before the season starts since it maximizes savings and the team that gets him will be able to know they will have the upside of the comp pick if it’s only a 1 yr rental like Burnes was for the Orioles. that would increase the return for a 1 yr rental.
What wallet issues? We just had Fan Fest and the front office said that there are no wallet issues. That the current level of payroll is sustainable and they still have the flexibility to add payroll during the season for the right player or players like they did at the deadline last season,
Honestly I am placing higher value on the stability. Make the trade only if Cease agrees to sign an extension.
Because it is the Orioles, I don’t see them parting with promising players like Kjerstad or Mayo no matter how limited their 2025 playing time would be, or parting with a draft pick that in four years is as likely to turn into Matt Hobgood as it is Gunnar Henderson (lately they’ve evened out on their previous misses in the draft).
The cynic in me says they’ll need all these draftees coming up in 2-3 years when its time for Rutschman, Henderson, Westburg et al to sign big boy contracts, so the Orioles will pivot away from these “greedy traitors” (as surely the spin from “real fans” will be) to the cheaper, younger guys hoping for a repeat.
Anyone have odds on them hitting on all their draft picks?
I’d be fine parting with Kremer, after 3 years the Orioles have failed to unlock enough of Good Kremer to advance him beyond a #5 spot, but another team might find him valuable. If you’re not going to play Kjerstad, may as well trade him too. I would prefer Mountcastle, as we already know what he is.
But I don’t see it happening, neither Cease agreeing to an extension for a trade nor the Orioles parting with anyone. Kjerstad and Mayo will not get enough opportunity, Kremer will be Kremer, and the Orioles will be 82-80.
Why do I bother?
How is this an 82-80 team to you? It’s similar, arguably better than, the 101 win team of 2023.
The 2023 team enjoyed lucky 1-run game record, and Bradish and Grayrod pitching near AL-best stuff for half a season, neither of whom have reproduced that.
The division has improved since then, especially the Yankees, and I would say the Sox definitely did more this winter.
They haven’t addressed the pitching.
This is the 2013 of the previous competitive window, when they seemed to have the better team but went 81-81. I would like to be wrong.
Orioles baseball is currently in the best shape it has been in for my entire life and yet some fans are going out of their way to be miserable.
Wild stuff.
Their unwillingness to make meaningful acquisitions is cause for concern. The core will only be cheap for so long, they can’t be wasting those years like they have these past two, and potentially this one with no top pitchers.
Burnes and Eflin were not “meaningful acquisitions?”
2024 wasn’t “wasted,” it just didn’t work out, the same as the other 29 teams who didn’t win the trophy.
As for this year, we will be getting Bautista and Bradish back from injury, the former to start the year and the latter in the second half. I would have preferred to add a better SP before the season starts, but waiting until the deadline to see how things are going isn’t a terrible strategy either since we will have a better idea about how Bradish’s recovery is going, and whether Grayson has taken a step forward and if Sugano is 4/5 SP or a 2/3.
They’re just doing half measures though. Despite picking up Burnes, everybody knew they needed to do more. It was a big talking point how they should’ve continued to add after that, and losing Rodriguez just amplified the point. Eflin was a fine pickup, but they likely need him to be their 2nd best pitcher. That’s not a great sign for a guy who’s mostly slotted in near the back end of rotations. I just don’t see them maximizing their potential with this approach. Especially with how many top end controllable starters have been on the market these past couple years.
jdgoat — Their unwillingness? Should they just pay any price?
Secondly, the 101 win season was a year “early” in the window, last year was year 2.
Year 1 unexpected, year 2 Burnes.
Trading away from year 4 & 5, to help year 3 only to increase the odds, seems exactly the sorta thing to be concerned about. Not the lack of pay any cost by any means necessary.
Cease helps the odds, doesn’t guarantee them…just like Burnes.
Just saying,they added Burnes last year and won less games than the year before. Cease or TOR is very good, but doesn’t guarantee anything.
It wasn’t “half measures” that brought them down last season. It was a late season, team wide, inability to hit. Offense went anemic. That’s not a by product of trades and signings. That’s a failure in leadership. Honestly think they should have fired Hyde, but Elias likes having a guy he can tell what to do. Team would be better served with a dynamic manager like Showalter, but it doesn’t seem him and Elias could coexist
Losing Bradish, Means, Bautista for the season and GrayRod for a chunk is a lot to absorb. Exactly the reason why you need that TOR guy to improve this full rotation.
The offense surprisingly held its OBP (went up a point, as they took a few more walks and struck out less in the 2nd half). Batting average went down a little, it was the OPS that went down a good bit, 40-50 points.
Anyone have numbers on late/close, leverage, RISP, etc first half vs. 2nd half? I haven’t seen them but that’s what seemed to completely disappear in the 2nd half.
Ortiz is and will continue to be pretty good. Hall has never impressed me. Most of the Orioles “can’t miss – future superstar” prospects have been so over-glorified it’s a joke.
Cowser finished 2nd in ROY last season. Gunnar won 2023. Adley finished 2nd 2022. Seems like the prospects are doing pretty good
letitblow — Oh yeah, what “most” of the ROY finalest has been over-glorified? Adley Rutchman, Gunnar Henderson, or Colton Cowser??
Agree on Ortiz, but man, “most” “over-glorified” “joke”…way way way off the mark.
lowenstein
Even I can’t hammer the Orioles lately
Rutschman, Henderson are home runs or sure. Westburg, Cowser seem to also be that way. Haven’t seen it on the pitching side but that’s pretty good on the position side.
Historically, yes, more misses than hits for a long period of time, and some where the player wasn’t bad, but was overhyped, and its fair to say the Orioles have hyped their prospects more than pretty much any organization. Matt Wieters was a good player but he was not Johnny Bench. Ben McDonald was another one.
Dylan Cease from Padres to Orioles
Orioles send C/1B Samuel Basallo, RHSP Chayce McDermott OR LHSP Cade Povich and competitive balance pick to Padres.
Helps both teams.
Deal is very similar to the Corbin Burns deal.
The Orioles didn’t give up their best prospect in the Burnes deal. Basallo/Mayo/Kjerstad are highly unlikely to be found in a Cease deal. At least not a Cease only deal.
Rogue, isn’t that exactly what the Padres asked for from the Red Sox and Cubs? Mayer and Shaw are top prospects in that same class.
I feel like that reinforces the point. The Padres may have asked for those guys, but they didn’t acquire them.
Rogue, the point it reinforces is that the O’s are not getting Cease unless they do pony up that type of package.
Basallo is probably even more untouchable than Mayo, but both are top 15ish prospects in the sport and neither will be moved for a 1 year rental.
You want an ace? It’s gunna hurt… more than y’all might think!
It didnt with Burnes, and he’s better than Cease so… there’s that.
Gwynning- Yeah, most likely, but I just think Mike Elias would bow out of the bidding if it is going to take a guy from his highest tier of prospects (like Mayo and Basallo) to get a 1 year rental, be it Cease or anyone else, and I’m okay with that.
There’s no chance they send Basallo.
Povich and McDermott are slightly more likely.
Kremer would be a possibility (has team control), Mountcastle more so than Kjerstad.
Still would need an extension to be agreed. Can’t be trying to Frankenstein a rotation every winter.
The Padres asked the Red Sox for Mayer, Abreu, Fitts and another SP prospect for Cease. They asked the Cubs for Shaw plus 2 SP. Orioles fans think they would take less from the Orioles just because they would get a 3rd round draft pick?
If Kjerstad is not going to start, trade him for something that might get your team over the hump.
Prospects are shiny new toys that fade with time more often than not. Flags fly forever.
It has been a very long time since the Orioles last hoisted a WS Champs flag. Most of you weren’t alive in 1983, let alone 1970.
If they did ask for those guys, I’d point out that they didn’t get them. The ask there is unreasonable.
Which kinda suggests that the Pads are OK with “no deal(s)” since the ask hasn’t subsided.
Which isn’t a bad thing for either party, really.
Rogue, with no other starters other than Flaherty on the market, do you think Preller’s asking price has come down since the winter meetings?
I think, if that’s the asking price, Cease will be a Padre Opening Day. Preller isn’t getting that. Im sure you hope that as the pieces come off the board, a team who didn’t land a TOR SP will suddenly meet the asking price. But if you’re the team holding the prospects, wouldn’t you rather wait until the deadline to see what shakes out? If you’re Elias, and you feel you must have a TOR, and the price starts with Kjerstad or Mayo, are you really giving the Padres the time of day? Wouldn’t you be better off talking the Seattle or Pittsburgh? 100% guaranteed Elias does not trade one of these guys to SD for Cease. We all were on this very same hamster wheel last offseason, and Elias didn’t part with his top guys for an SP. What happened in the last 12 months that would seem to signal to him his thinking was flawed? If anything, last year reinforced his beliefs.
Nobody has a longer WS win drought than the Padres!
Better hope they sneak through this year bc it’s an ugly roster if they do not moving forward. Pitching is not controllable but there are serious salaries on the ledger.
Guardians/Indians are working on 75+ years without a chip. We’re tied with the Brewers at 56 years… the Orioles are at 42 I think? I know I live in a glass house…
Rogue, you missed the point then. The Padres want Cease to start in their opening day rotation. Other teams are reaching out to the Padres asking about him including the Orioles, not the other way around.
Elias was one of those guys that reached out to Preller and he knew what Preller was asking for Cease from other teams when he did it. Apparently Elias knows something you don’t understand.
If teams want a TOR starting pitcher that also comes with a 1st round pick when they QO him at the end of the season, they will have to overpay. Preller has laid out what that overpay looks like. Preller is saying “Pay it or don’t. The Padres are fine either way.”
I would point out that those teams called the Padres. The Padres were not reaching out to them offering Cease.
Several of those teams including the Mets and Orioles did so after knowing what the Padres had already asked the Red Sox for because it had been reported on MLB Network by Morosi.
The Padres don’t have to trade Cease and they have made that clear. If other teams want him, which they obviously do, then they will have to pony up what Preller is asking for or he stays a Padre.
Come on they r gonna wait til the deadline and get someone who doesn’t help much. That’s more like the recent Orioles.
Thanks Mark Polishuk. Very good piece! Appreciated.
Still some time to make a trade if thats what my O’s want to do. Literally a year ago today they traded for Burnes. Personally I can see Mayo being available for a trade for Cease, its a steep price for a 1 year rental but its not out of the realm of possibility. I don’t think Elias does that trade unless some other bases are being covered as well though. Elias seems to keep his leanings close to chest and not out there in the open. so its hard to say.
Lets not forget that it was the hitting that failed this team last year when it counted most. That was with Burnes however, and you’ve replaced him with lesser pitchers and gambles on your good pitchers coming back from serious injuries. If Michael King is indeed available, it might be more palatable as a risk reward type move that isn’t going to be as costly. But who knows? Speculation is speculation at this point.
You have to hope for a fast start though. Remember all these guys here on one year deals. If the team is a few games below .500 in July I don’t think they would blink to throw in the towel on it and see what they could get for the remainder of the year for anyone not trapped in pre free agency.
This is the same team in 2022 that was within a couple games of a wildcard and a couple over .500 at the end of July and didn’t hesitate to trade its best player and two of its best pitchers, justifying it as “we aren’t ready.” Then they went 20-10 and stayed in the thick of the wildcard race before fading the last couple weeks.
What if they are sluggish, have a little bad luck and start say 38-48 at the ASB?
Some really dumb trade suggestions on this one. You all need to stop commenting and go back to playing Fortnite.
Orioles will dither around and another team like the Cubs or Braves will swoop in and land Dylan Cease.
Then, Orioles will over pay for a middle or back of the rotation veteran starter just like last year/
If that happens, I expect another “one and out” if the Orioles make the playoffs this year.
Red Sox, Tigers, Royals and other teams are on the rise/
The Orioles could be on the outside looking in and watching
the playoffs on TV in 2025 if they don’t make a consequential deal or 2
Saw a proposed Dylan Cease deal to the Braves:
Braves get RHSP Dylan Cease
San Diego Padres Acquire: left fielder Jarred Kelenic,
RHP AJ Smith-Shawver and another player.