While the Padres are intent on returning to the postseason in 2025, much of the buzz surrounding the team this winter has been about the possibility of higher-paid veteran players being dealt in order to help the team both address roster needs, and shave some money off the payroll. Rumors have swirled around several of the Padres’ more expensive players, but as Spring Training nears, Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune hears from two sources that dealing Robert Suarez seems to be “the move that appears most probable.”
This doesn’t indicate that Suarez will actually be dealt, of course, or that the Padres have any particular inclination to move the All-Star closer. But, Suarez’s trade status might be elevated due to the simple fact that San Diego might be able to more easily replace him within the bullpen, and because the Padres’ other trade chips are comparatively trickier to deal away.
Among players mentioned in trade speculation this winter, Xander Bogaerts and Jake Cronenworth are owed too much in future salary to hold much appeal to other teams. Dylan Cease and Luis Arraez are slated to become free agents next winter, and Michael King is in the same boat, as his contract’s $15MM mutual option for 2026 will surely be declined by either King himself or by the Padres. Reports have indicated that if San Diego does trade a starter, Cease is likelier to be moved than King, due to the perception that King is the likelier of the two to be open to extension talks. As for Arraez, the Padres reportedly have a particular interest in keeping him for at least 2025.
It all leaves Suarez as something of the odd man out, though plenty of obstacles exist on that front as well. Suarez turns 34 month, and is owed $26MM over the remaining three years of the five-year, $46MM pact he signed with San Diego in November 2022. That $26MM breaks down as $10MM in 2025, and then Suarez has the option of deciding whether or not to opt out of the deal to test free agency, or simultaneously exercise a pair of $8MM player options covering the 2026 and 2027 seasons.
Just two months ago, this contract structure was seemingly an obstacle towards a deal, as The Athletic’s Dennis Lin wrote that “for now” the Padres weren’t looking to trade Suarez. Last month, however, the team’s stance seemed to change, as the Padres were thought to be more open to the idea of moving Suarez due to some interest on the trade market.
While many teams could use a high-leverage reliever, working out an acceptable trade return will be tricky for both sides. Another team might only view Suarez as a one-year investment due to the possibility of an opt-out, while the Padres might view such a trade return as too slight for a pitcher who could end up providing his new club with three years of control.
Beginning his career pitching in the Mexican League and then a long stint in Nippon Professional Baseball, Suarez didn’t make his debut in affiliated baseball until 2022, when he made his MLB debut at age 31. The Padres were impressed enough by Suarez’s NPB production to sign him to a one-year, $11MM deal during the 2021-22 offseason, and the team’s belief has paid off. While his season was marred by injuries and a 10-game sticky-stuff suspension, Suarez was excellent in both 2022 and this past season, when he succeeded Josh Hader as San Diego’s closer.
Suarez posted a 2.77 ERA in 65 innings while closing out 36 of 42 save opportunities during the 2024 regular season, and added 3 1/3 scoreless innings during three playoff appearances. One of baseball’s hardest-throwing pitchers, Suarez paired that velocity with an above-average walk rate, though other metrics (like his strikeout, barrel, and grounder rates) were all slightly below the league average.
Between Suarez’s age, his .256 BABIP last year, and a 3.53 SIERA that was significantly higher than his 2.77 ERA, a case can be made that the Padres could be making a wise move in selling high on Suarez in advance of any regression. On the other hand, moving your closer puts more pressure on the rest of the relief corps, and thins out a bullpen that has already lost Tanner Scott to free agency. Jason Adam or Adrian Morejon might be the most logical save candidates if Suarez is dealt, assuming that the Padres would stick with a full-time closer rather than a committee approach.
Give us a 3/4 level starter and we roll……
Won’t happen. He’s a rental if he’s good but has insurance for himself if not.
Cubs could send Assad, Wicks and Killian. Two number 5 starters and a bullpen prospect.
Brasier, Hodge, Suarez and Presley would be a nice end game.
They have Shota, Steele, Boyd and Taillon. Would still have Rea, Horton and Brown to compete for SP 5.
A viable young back end rotation option with some upside would be a good return for Suarez
I’d do it for Assad straight up
You are out of your mind. The Pads would be thrilled to offload the contract and get whatever prospect they can get. Pure salary dump.
Preller is gonna want to get value back even if it is salary dump. That’s Preller. Has huge asking price on Cease n King.
Did you get booted on your FanDan account?
Laughing now
Right. All the cease articles nothing but click bait lol after seeing the return they wanted from Balt
Ok MLBTR, we get it. You want the Padres to divest themselves of any talent on the roster.
I think people are just confused on whether the Padres really need to offload salary or if it’s more just speculation and conjuncture. And nobody but the Padres really knows.
exactly, no one but the Padres have ever known. And when the Padres FO does say something, it’s: “we will field a team to compete for a WS”.
But that doesn’t stop the sports media circle jerk from spinning a false narrative that they’re broke. And fans like Tow fall in line without much patience for the truth.
There’s always been a strong urge to project small/medium small market teams that spend as not belonging up there with the big boys.
Sure, no one can predict the future. But just like the RS with “full throttle”, until they spend, they are not spending. You can’t blame the media for speculating that a team that is not currently spending, won’t be spending.
Same really for Pitt, Cincy, and most teams.
“And nobody but the Padres really knows.”
Truer words were never spoke. And, in fact, you could substitute any of the other 29 teams for Padres, for any rumor or speculation.
What are you talking about? How is MLBTR advocating for anything? You really need to increase your literacy skills.
Reading comprehension always gets in the way of a good narrative.
One all-star year at the age of 33? Preller would sell on this one as it is a sell high move.
He should be selling everything not locked down to reload the farm.
It’s tricky. They have ownership confusion. And currently a WS window of maybe 3 years with the dodgers looking like an impossible team to overcome. To step back a bit now and trade a couple guys could be huge for sustained competitiveness (like the Astros moving Tucker). But also they could definitely go on a playoff run with current roster but would need to add a piece or 2 and possibly mortgage future success
Even tho SD is a solid playoff tm
Feels like a fire sale/rebuild is coming
Cease, king, suarez, arraez…
That’s bc all the other offseason story lines are complete
yeah, small/medium market teams have no place with the big boys when it comes to sustained winning.
Argh
@brew
i wouldnt call padres a small market tm lol or even medium
southern CA and 9th highest payroll
and only 4 tms have more $ invested 2026-2028
looking @ recent signings/trades i think SD needs to rethink who they invest in and who they acquire. not sure about their development process either. merrill has emerged as a potential star. but campusano flopped. salas is still young but not rly showing the potential everyone hoped for. cant think of any exciting pitchers in the system either
I wasn’t speaking of the Padres specifically, but almost all “market size” rankings have the Padres in the bottom 10 in MLB. They derive most of their revenue via attendance and merchandise, not TV like bigger market teams
Padres are in the 30th largest media market. The Padres have been in the playoffs in 3 of the last 5 seasons and would have been in a 4th season if not for a disinterested manager that is now plaguing the Giants.
Padres have traded away more top 100 prospects over the past 5 seasons than most teams have had. Campusano will still be the starting catcher to start the 2025 season.
He got hurt when he was hit by Will Smith’s bat in May last season and his play suffered, but he kept playing through it. Diaz was signed as his backup and Shildt said that Campy has had an exceptional offseason. If he had flopped, he would not still be on the roster, let alone the starter.
If all there was to the game was what is done behind the plate, Salas would have been in the majors last season at 18 years old. The last catcher that spent more than a couple of games in the majors at 19 was Pudge. The Padres coaches are talking about Salas getting the call before his 19th birthday in June if either Campusano or Diaz falter or get injured. He will be in his 2nd big league camp this spring. He is that good.
If you can’t think of any exciting pitchers in the system, you are not paying attention. There are at least 3 that should be Top 100 prospects by the mid-season updates including Mayfield, Bateman, and Humberto Cruz,. Possibly Baez as well who sat 96 for the Missions and has a bugs bunny changeup. He is MLB ready and will be on the short list to be called up when there are injuries.
Then there is their recent international free agent signing Carlos Alvarez, who was considered the best pitching prospect in the international free agency market until Sasaki was posted. This is a lefty that at 16 was already sitting mid 90s last summer. He has since turned 17 and the rumors are he will skip the DSL and come straight to the states.
“ If you can’t think of any exciting pitchers in the system, you are not paying attention. There are at least 3 that should be Top 100 prospects by the mid-season updates including Mayfield, Bateman, and Humberto Cruz”
Those are guys with serious potential but these are all teenagers who have thrown 2 innings of pro ball between them. All 3 being top 100 prospects by mid season is a fantasy.
It is true to say that the Padres have nothing special in their system that is close to the major leagues on the pitching side.
Watch what happens. All three were mentioned in the BA articles about top their prospect lists but since they had little or no professional experience, they were not listed. Baez is MLB ready. So is Omar Cruz, and at least 4 relievers. But please go on. It’s always amusing.
3 teenage pitching prospects all rising to top 100 status a few months into their career will not happen. Check back in July.
Baez is the best the pads have that is close. He’s a backend type. They lack depth. Every team has those guys.
They derive most of their revenue via attendance and merchandise,
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SD is a bit of an aberration. They have a relatively high population, which is good for attendance, which also yields good merchandising. But they aren’t particularly close to anyone else, which leads to lower broadcasting revenue.
Boston’s population is less than half of SD’s population, but their broadcasting reaches a gazillion people.
It happens every single year.. Now that you have proven that you are ignorant or a troll or both I can ignore you.
Ah, so Suarez trade rumors have begun. Took long enough.
Does this mean the Cease rumors will end now?
Nah, we’ll get another article along with more payroll cutting for the Padres. Give it another day or two.
Perhaps not but the End rumors will certainly cease.
This makes much more sense than trading Cease, King, or Arraez if their goal is to get under the tax line while remaining fully competitive.
I *was* going to say “dump Cronenworth to anyone who will take him” but after seeing he has 6 years left, I doubt anyone would. That deal is pretty horrific, yeesh.
Cronie is awesome. Overpaid? Time will tell, and I don’t care either way. Suarez is, without doubt, the likeliest piece to be moved. 100%. He can only be marketed as a rental, but it still makes the most sense. Sell high, clear 9MM, grab a piece, clear BP room (in theory, but I don’t see RP being the return) and let’s roll.
Cronenworth is worth more to the padres than dumping him
Last 2 years he’s played 2B full time he’s put up 4.8 and 3.9 war
Switching back after Kims injury he settled around 1.9 last year
Full healthy season he’s capable for 3 or more war at 2B for the padres which is a bargain at 11 mill a year.
Problem has never been the contract it’s been playing him at solely 1B.
Well said, Easy E!
I dunno guys, $12 million a year for a guy who has posted a 95 OPS+ over his last ~1,200 PAs seems like a pretty big overpay to me, especially since he’s guaranteed that AAV through his age 36 season in 2030. I’d be thrilled to get out of that contract if he was on my team, but if he’s a player you like having on the team, who am I to judge?
Of course you’d just look at offense and based your opinion on that.
He plays 2B not DH in case you’re confused.
12 mill a year for a 95 OPS+ DH. Yeah over pay
12 mill a year for a 95 OPS+ 1B. Yeah over pay
12 mill a year for a 95 OPS+ 2B with above average defense which generates most his war value? Actually not an over pay.
I’m pretty sure that you can find a solid defensive 2B with slightly below league average offense that doesn’t require a $12 million a year guarantee through their age 36 season.
Cronz’ career OPS+ is 107, which I believe is above league average, not below
He hasn’t been an above average hitter since 2022, Brew.
I hope he bounces back for you guys though, it’s not like I have anything against the guy.
Name 1 slightly below league average bat 2B that plays above average defense that was signed for less than cronenworth the last 4 years
Granted, he had a OPS+ of 99 last year. It seems like his bat is affected by playing at 1B, for whatever reason. His value is enhanced by being able to play multiple IF positions though.
I’m an Orioles fan so I haven’t really been keeping a close eye on the free agent IF market the last few years because there hasn’t been much need to, so I don’t have any names to toss out off the top of my head, and I don’t care nearly enough to go digging through the last 4 years of free agent activity for one either.
I am quite confident that he wouldn’t have gotten 6/$72 million if he had been a free agent this offseason, however.
Still waiting.
You care enough to keep commenting on the topic but can’t back up what you’re saying as if it were fact.
Yes, I “cared” enough to tell you not wait for an answer I don’t care enough about to go looking for, so you…waited? Okay…well, allow me to be a little more direct this time:
I’m never going to go looking for the answer to your question because I have better things to do than parse through the last 4 years of free agent signings while comparing them against various fielding and hitting statistics to see who does and who doesn’t meet the criteria, so you are completely free to declare victory here and I will not contest it one bit. You “win,” I “lose.”
Congratulations on your big win, I hope it is everything you dreamed it would be 🙂
Jeff McNeil
Still waiting
“I have better things to do”
Proceeds to type out entire paragraphs full of excuses why they can’t support their own arguments.
His defense isn’t that special, definitely not difference making defense which is why war can be misleading. He’s not a good player anymore which is why nobody will take the contract in a trade. He’s an average player who had two good first years.
Easy, True, he was awesome when he did play 2B full-time, but that was 3, and 4 years ago. In the 2 seasons since he has a 2.9 bWAR combined. And, it’s hard to believe playing 1B was responsible for the dip in production.
But I agree, he’s a bounce back candidate, and SD isn’t getting much back in trade, so they should just hold on to him and hope he comes close to his 2021-22 production.
95 OPS+ with above average defense is still 3 war
Andres Gimenez of the guardians now blue jays posted 5.3 WAR with slightly below average offense (95 OPS+) and elite defense in 23. He also posted 4 war last year with below average offense (82 OPS+) and elite defense in 24.
Thats the best comp to cronenworth is recent memory. 7 years 106 mill is what Gimenez signed for.
He, like cronenworth, is capable of playing multiple positions. Only reason Guardians traded him is cause they’re cheap and structured his deal so it’s back heavily backloaded.
25- 10 mill
26 – 15 mill
27 – 23 mill
28 – 23 mill
29 – 23 mill
In 23 and 24 he switched to playing 1B so while you say “it’s hard to believe switching defensive positions didn’t drop his war” you must not realize 1b is a less demanding defensive position than 2B. As such defense at 1b is weighed differently when calculating war compared to 2B.
You can play around with numbers all you want to try to justify his salary. But the reality is no team is taking him in trade short of SD eating a sizeable portion of it. That should tell you all you need to know about his value and if he’s worth what he’s paid.
There is not a GM in baseball that would give Cronenworth a 6 year $72M deal right now if he was a free agent. That is why his contract is non-tradeable.
“ Cronenworth is worth more to the padres than dumping him”
That’s a false assumption, that Crone is capable of playing 2B at 31 anything like the way he did at 27-28.
And now they’ve got him a 12m per for ages 31 through 36?
Should tell us everything, that no one will go near him, even with a suppurating wound at 2B and even if the Padres are giving him away.
How much would they have to eat just to dump him for a 31 yo career milb 1Bman with 0 PA in MLB and with a .650 career OPS in the high minors? $20m? 30? 40?
Crone certainly wouldn’t have gotten that much $ guaranteed to him in free agency. Doesn’t make much sense for the Pads to eat money to get rid of him since he fits on their roster and his AAV isn’t high.
Definitely above market contract that is currently underwater. Still a chance the deal might shake out fine for them in the long run but no team is going to take it off their hands for the full freight.
Guess you missed the part where he played 70 games last year at 2B and produced similar results defensively.
“ That’s a false assumption, that Crone is capable of playing 2B at 31 anything like the way he did at 27-28.”
That’s a stupid uneducated incorrect analysis of the situation ignoring the fact Cronenworth literally played 70 games last year at 2B and posted similar metrics back when he was the full time starter.
But go on.
“ Should tell us everything, that no one will go near him, even with a suppurating wound at 2B and even if the Padres are giving him away.”
Again. Highly uneducated take here. You’re talking about a GM who’s demanding guys like Marco Mayer Matt Shaw and others for 1 year of cease. No one is going near cronenworth cause prellers asking price is probably high compared to what other teams are willing to pay for him. Hes worth more to the padres than he is trading him.
You also fail to realize moving cronenworth would mean reducing salary. Giving him away doesn’t do that.
Sit this one out.
Easy as 1 2 3
Cronenworth is worth more to the padres than dumping him
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IMO, SD shouldn’t move Cro. Right now, they scarcely have enough bats. It should be Arraez, Cro, X, and Machado in the IF, and a rotation at DH, LF, UIF, etc. And they will eat salary if they trade him now.
It takes some inside knowledge to be sure, since we don’t ever really know who can handle the 9th, but I would trade Suarez and let Adam & Morejon compete for the closer slot. It’s dangerous, but I assume they will probably get a decent (not great) prospect back, and full salary relief.
Gimenez is not a crone comp either. Gimenez is an elite defensive 2B that should be a great SS. He’s also 5 years younger.
Suarez salary is $10 million. Padres are $11 million over the CBT line.
If the Padres decided to trade Cronenworth I would love to see him playing 2B in Fenway.
I say “clear $9MM” by calculating a milly on the return. If Suarez is a partial move to clear the CBT, then I don’t expect much more salary on the flip.
Any team should love to have Cronie!
@gwynning. He has a two option right? Even if he regresses that’s about the market. He would be the easiest to move even if he only got a couple young relievers in return, and they can sign someone before spring training.
Any team would want an AS 2B for just $11M AAV
He was an AS in 2021 and 2022, a period when he posted a 115 OPS+. In the 2 years and almost 1,200 PAs since his last AS appearance, he’s posted a 95 OPS+.
He’s not worthless, but with 6 years and $70+ million left on his deal, which runs all the way through his age 36 season, nobody is going to give up anything of real value to acquire him either.
I agree he’s not a major trade chip and I see little justification for the team wanting to trade him. But $11AAV isn’t that much really for someone able to play many IF positions and play well, His bat seems to respond well when he’s settled at 2B
That’s fine. You forget a couple things in your analysis
1. His salary is about average for a super utility player. Marwin Gonzalez Kiki Hernandez Tommy Edman, Christ Taylor, etc etc etc have signed for anywhere between 10-15 mill with Edman a bit of an outlier at 17 a year. Guys that can play multiple positions where cronenworth can play 3B, SS, 2B, 1B provide a lot of position flexibility in the event injuries occur.
2. At worst Cronenworth develops into a platoon bat as his contract ages.
.253/.337/435 against RHP in his career.
3. CBT tax lines go up not down.
12 mill vs 241 in 25
12 mill vs 244 in 26
And when the new cba is ratified it’ll go up more
So as the cbt threshold goes up his contract makes up less and less of its overall percentage. By the time his contract is up it could be 260 270 mill to the first line.
Why are you so invested in this conversation?
Oh, and nobody would give Cronenworth that contract today or back at the time it was signed.
But go on ranting about it all day long.
King, 2022 was also the last time Cronenworth was a full time 2B. He played 106 games at 1B in 2023 and 85 in 2024.
If you really don’t understand why that is important, visit this page.
baseball-reference.com/about/war_explained_positio…
If you want to skip the calculations, no problem. Scroll down to where they have the adjustments to WAR by position. Its labeled RPOS. Positional Adjustment Runs. 1B is -9.5 and 2B is +3. That is more than a 2 WAR difference if the player has the same exact offensive and defensive numbers at 1B and 2B.
If Cronenworth had played all of 2024 at 2B he would have had a WAR over 3 without any improvement in his performance. Performance at 2B is inherently more valuable than 1B.
If his WAR last season was 3.1 or 3.4 you would think he had a great contract. The only change he would had to make was playing those 85 games at 2B instead of 1B.
The Padres, like other major league teams, are trying to stay below a mandated financial threshold. I do agree though, Suarez is a good trade piece.
Others, but not the dodgers, they’ll never have to worry about it
The bill will come due, Whiff…even for the Dodgers
What is their self-mandated financial threshold? Seems like they’re willing to exceed CBT with recent signings.
Brew..for now. Depends on if they make more trades…
we’ll see how things play out, always been my credo in the offseason
I agree that now would be the time to trade Suarez if the Padres can get a backend starter with some team control for him, but with his contract I think it will be hard to get as much as would be needed to make removing him from the back of the bullpen a good thing for the team overall.
I heard AJP is offering to throw in 5 rolled tacos with everything except for hot carrots…
No deal. Hot carrots or the trade is off.
Web…these negotiations take time. So I’m gonna go get a carne asada burrito and Mexican Coca cola to help me wait it out.
Had a hash brown burrito from Cotija’s to get me ready for the Super Bowl.
This sounds like a whole lot of speculation. Especially because of the uncertainty from the opt-outs.
Sell as a rental since the purchaser would agree on the Opt-out likelihood.
Why would SD sell as a rental, which is usually for just a minimal return, when it could conceivably turn into 3 years of service?
The more likely outcome is the opt-out. I mean, I think.
Maybe, but honestly IDK. But teams generally like more certainty, than a mostly probable outcome.
Agreed. Opt-outs are tricky business in the swap industry. We’ll see Jean!
Those 2 extra years don’t have value because the only time the players opts into them is when you don’t want him to.
Precisely.
If Suarez opts-in it will be because he blew his arm out…he’s a rental and those 2 option years are a liability for any acquiring team.
@Jean Matrac Most are getting this backwards. The opt out is a negative for the acquiring team, which takes down the price the Padres can charge.
If Suarez opts in, which is what it is, really, it means he was bad enough in 2025 that he doesn’t think he can beat 2/16m in FA.
The only way the acquiring team is getting more than 1 year out of Suarez is if he’s not good. That’s not a plus.
So say 1 time in 3 Suarez is in fact that bad, that he sticks around (which will include some so-so years, not necessarily dismal ones). The acquiring team should price the 1/10m at more like 1/13m-15m, the average cost of the year in the long run. They’d want an Excel sheet and price the various percentages, then generate averages and medians for his performance and cost, and go from there.
JackStrawb, Totally agree. Players love opt-outs, and teams give them to entice guys to sign. but that strategy can backfire. It’s a big negative for any team trying to move a guy with opt-outs.
I got good news Suarez, I’m takin’ you OUT
Dang! You finally got me on one… if this is a real quote like I think it is!
You molder fracker… lol
some guys have all the luck (or curse) with the supreme memory
I think the padres have one player untouchable today throughout their entire organization. That’s Leo de vires no questions asked.
Probably that Merrill guy as well
3 or 4. Leo, Salas, Tatis and… yeah.
Tatis is gonna broach payroll concerns and I still don’t think he’s recovered on his own pr front.
Merrill might not see an extension in San Diego with how bad things are.
Salas is a pipe dream we all smoked right there w Campusano drug bust He’s in a pitchers park too so it really ain’t doing him any favorites when he’s up
I don’t think there’s a handful of players I’d entertain moving for control on de vires but that’s me personally.
Merrill still has years before he is a free agent. Salas can’t even drink yet and is playing in high A, he will be fine. Hosmer comes off the books after this year.
Tatis $27M AAV doesn’t breach any team’s payroll, he’s a team friendly bargain
Correct there’s no urgency on either but I don’t think dominos are in stone there vs Leo.
Merrill isn’t an elite base runner I think he stole under 30 last year if I’m not mistaken. Don’t wanna close the window and lose thought. Love Merrill, but is he that valuable to baseball on surplus of positional perspectives on the board? Debatable is an interesting word there.
I see a major dumpster fire is coming very soon at the hands of Prellar unfortunately.
Salas is an elite prospect. Rooting for the kid but transition isn’t exactly night and day at the mlb level for catchers. You’ve gotta learn staff. Be sound defensively, throw out a respectable amount in this all or nothing sb renaissance and be valuable enough offensively if you aren’t defensively. I think he will be but there’s reasons why a guy like Brantley is in baseball today. Here one for crash Davis there.
This isn’t disrespectful to either of these guys. Both have very bright futures in front of them. I just don’t see an elite of and catcher being worth more than Leo In the long run not by miles.
Homer coming off helps. These guys need to shed prolly closer to 80-100 in back to back seasons on the financial fumbles. Throw the lawsuits in there already this will get ugly very quick for the family, organization, city and baseball.
Sometimes sacrifices are necessary for success that’s how I look at it whether they are need based or forced. It all comes down to control on the board In baseball that’s a no argument.
It certainly is a possibility when the books are as bad as they are in San Diego. And once disclose is fully out I think we’re going to see preller break this team down even more than he is today.
There’s no need to trade cease. And the reason you do is simply on value from available inquiries or financial desperation.
I think we’re looking at the latter today for sure and if we’re gonna apply that logic on cease whose to say max value isn’t available today on tatis. Preller as diabolical as he is will listen a lot more openly than the league would.
But you don’t move a guy like tatis unless
1. He’s warranted enough value back on the board from the pr hit. I think he has
Or
2. You have incumbent waiting on roster or in high enough level today. Which I don’t think is the case today considering his ask on players from Baltimore publicly at mlb or high minors level today.
You also can’t trade machado at value w that contract so you have to ride that out as long as you can.
It’s a tough spot to be in for San Diego fans I feel for you but it’s opposite of us pirates fans who have our hands tied vs a mad scientist running this team into the ground. I don’t know which I’d prefer but feel like we’d have way better chances w preller over cherrington but could you imagine those phone calls between the two. I betcha preller would send nutting to voicemail.
Can only imagine if Soto stayed what this would have done to this team at the Mets number. My god that’s a scary thought today for sure.
Subtracts 10m. Their outfield prospects must really stink that they spent money on two mostly washed outfielders. Trading Suarez and not signing the combo of Joe/Heyward would have put them under the tax. Still believe they move a starter and take back two pitchers. Most likely a starter and a reliever that make minimum.
Rumors swirling = is guy available? Sure for a sky high price. OK bye.
Wish the padres had moved sooner on these trades to get under the luxury tax lines
But this explains the high asking prices on cease and king. Padres are reluctant to move cease and king and rather move Suarez to get under the tax line.
For instance if you were gonna deal Suarez you could have gained assets, moved Adams to the closer role, and signed someone like Yimi Garcia to replace Adams in the pen who signed for 7.5 mill or so.
Same with cease or king. If they traded cease wish they would have signed someone like Michael Lorenzen, resigned Martin Perez, Andrew Heaney, or take a chance on Cal Quantril who prellers familiar with.
If the intent is to dip under the CBT then there’s plenty of time. Calculations are at the end of “the baseball year”
Sure but if they were traded sooner Preller could have used some of the room to replace them in some capacity
Like had Suarez been traded during winter meetings padres could have moved Adams to closer and signed Yimi Garcia to replace Adams spot in the pen. Net savings of 3 mill
If Preller traded cease at winter meetings he could have signed say Michael lorenzen who’s pitched well last 2 years at 7 mill. Net savings 7 mill.
Waiting till February made it harder to find a replacement at least via free agency.
So trading Suarez and cease sooner could have gotten under the tax line, netted assets, and potentially signed immediate replacements via free agency agency for 1 or 2 years.
But time will tell what the best avenue was. I’m not a fan of waiting esp for pitchers, too many risks for my liking.
Easier said than done for teams willing to sell in defense of SD recent rumors. The trade market lags b/c buyers first see if they can address weaknesses in FA with money only rather than deal good prospects or off mlb roster.
Crochet is only guy that pried away top tier prospects last couple offseasons……b/c he wasn’t a pure rental and dirt cheap as TOR starter.
Well no one said it would be easy. But in a perfect world trading them sooner would have allowed padres more options via free agency. Hopefully holding onto them turns out to the right decision.
Preller could be waiting for spring trainings injuries to begin. Someone will need quick replacements for good starting P or stud bullpen arm. Deal from a strength instead of weakness. He’s patient GM n almost always surprises, he’s not done yet. Worked some magic finding Lugo, Wacha, Gil, n King plus acquiring Cease. As Dodger fan I enjoy seeing what he comes up with. Pads had LA on the ropes in playoffs. Best rivalry going right now. SD was built to beat Dodgers last year.
Is this the same Kevin Acee who wrote in December that Suarez would be hard to trade because of the way his contract is structured with an opt-out if he plays well but 2 years at $8 million if he plays poorly? Wasn’t he the one that said Cease was almost certain to be traded? Or was that Ken Rosenthal?
They all look alike, I can’t tell ’em apart.
Rosenthal is the one in the bowtie.
Opt-out clauses absolutely make a guy harder to trade. The only time the player doesn’t use the opt-out is when you need him to.
Best, it’s the same writer. Same one that earlier this offseason said the Padres 100% had to cut payroll then came back a month later and said they would have a top 10 payroll in baseball. Almost all of the writers have said that Cease was an absolute certainty to be traded.
Padres already had a top 10 payroll.
Make the move Dombrowski
Braves still need a backup closer and setup man. Trade for Suarez, rework ’26 so it’s guaranteed for more money and have a club option for ’27 with a buyout.
Basically, Pads will trade for the same production at a cheaper cost. Good luck with that….
what would they want from Philly for him?
Kerkering prolly a starting point plus more….
thats too much , how about Mick Abel and some others
Preller will want too much. He only trading if there’s an offer he can’t refuse. Trying to cut payroll but ain’t giving guys away for free….
I would offer Abel & maybe some other prospects they have. That would be enough
Pads are trying to compete while cutting payroll. Kerkering fits the return they want….
Kerkering is as good as Suarez now with significantly more control and he’s 10 years younger.
DD would be brain dead stupid to make that move.
If they do trade him, he could be a relief arm the pirates need. Almost assured to be a rental unless he is pretty bad. But that assumes pirates think they have a better than off chance to make a run. Which means they need a semi sure thing better than average bat as well.
I wanted to trade him for Endy.
Perfect for the Braves. Exactly what we need. His age should make him more affordable on the prospect capital but he still won’t be cheap. But hope we go for it
what ML-ready SP can you offer?
You are not going to get a ML SP for Suarez. Take whatever is offered and enjoy the contract dump.
Yeah, you’re taking him for his age 34 season and risk being stuck with him at 35 and 36 at 16m. He was replacement level by bWAR in 2023, so it’s not as if you’re getting any kind of guarantee.
What would the Mets offer, for example? Their #15 prospect?
You tweaking man, suraez was one of the best relivers in baseball, they would need to give up Hurston Waldrep (#4 Prospect) Drake Baldwin (#5 Prospect) and JR Ritchie (#7 Prospect) Suarez is one of the elite relivers on the game and will get treated like one on the trade market. It’s not a salary dump when hes on a extremely team friendly contract
Devin Williams brought back Nestor Cortes and a #15 prospect from nyy. Williams is debatably the best closer in mlb – making $7m (compared to Suarez $10m) and does not have the 2 year/$16m player option-in liability.
Honestly, would anticipate a fringe top-30 prospect for Suarez and pads will probably need to send $ or agree to pay a portion of his salary if he opts in.
You I am afraid are hallucinating. Teams want closers with high strikeout rates. Suarez puts way too many pitches in play. And he is a I one pitch pitcher. That coupled with his contract risk, lessens the return. Padres would probably my have to throw in their own 20-30 prospect to get a single top ten from another team.
Jason Scott, Estrada, Reynolds, THEN Morejon line up to close games in that order if Bob leaves.
Jason Adam, I presume?
Go UCSD!
That is just not true, Nestor cortes is a former all star who has been consistently a dependable starter for them for nearly half a decade. Getting 3 unproven prospects for one the games best arms out of the back of your bullpen is a bargin, waldrep had a 16 era in his 2 major leauge starts, your acting like susrez is xander bogearts, 10 and 8 aav is extremely team friendly in today’s pitchers market, after seeing what Scott and Hader got suarez would get 13 – 15 aav over 3 years on the open market. It’s going to take a lot to get him and you making absurd hypothetical won’t change that. If the cubs were willing to give up nico Horner and Moises Ballesteros for cease who only has 1 year left, the braves would give up 2 non top 100 prospects for 3 years of a elite bullpen arm who has proven himself his whole career
It’s not 3 years…it’s 1. If he repeats his performance he opts out. If his arm blows out or his performance craters (he is old) you’re on the hook for 2/$16m of dead money on his player option.
Keep in mind Devin Williams is much better, younger, cheaper, no 2/$16m player option risk, open to an extension and will get a QO (draft pick compensated) and he got 1-year of Cortes in arb 3 and #15 prospect.
Suarez will get the same package as helsley will, Yankees and red sox made offers for helsely that involved kyle Teel and Braden Montgomery. For the Yankees spencer Jones. The cardinals turned that down. They are both free agents after 26 assuming suarez opts out, they are on the same level. That just shows you the market. If you think the padres will have to send a top 20 prospect in their system just to trade him you are mistaken. Guessing it will take waldrep and Ritchie. I was unaware baldwin had climbed so high in prospect rankings so I’m guessing they won’t give him up.
Padres will not need to send a prospect but will probably need to commit to paying a salary portion if Suarez opt-in.
When “but” begins the sentence, it shouldn’t have a comma after it.