The Red Sox were first linked to Dylan Cease’s market back in early December, before Boston acquired Garrett Crochet from the White Sox and signed free agent Walker Buehler. These moves brought some needed reinforcement to Boston’s rotation, but the team’s interest in Cease continues to at least linger, as MassLive.com’s Sean McAdam reports that the Sox “have been in touch with the” Padres about Cease’s availability.
A source indicated to McAdam that Boston’s interest is more of the “due diligence” variety, and could simply be due to the fact that Cease’s trade market might not be fully closed until San Diego actually moves the right-hander elsewhere. There is also no guarantee that Cease will be dealt whatsoever, as reports from earlier this week suggested that the Padres were more apt to keep both Cease and Michael King (another pending free agent) to keep their own rotation strong.
Speculatively speaking, moving Cease to the Red Sox wouldn’t necessarily create a hole in the Padres’ rotation, just because it would seem likely that the Sox would send a starter-capable pitcher back in return. The Red Sox already have enough pitchers on hand that a six-man rotation isn’t out of the question, so this volume alone would suggest that at least one of those hurlers would be dealt to the Padres in exchange for Cease.
Crochet, Buehler, Brayan Bello, and Tanner Houck wouldn’t be doing anywhere, and Lucas Giolito’s salary and recent injury history would likely keep him off the Padres’ radar. Beyond those pitchers, any of Kutter Crawford, Quinn Priester, or Richard Fitts could work as part of a trade package, fitting in nearer the back of San Diego’s rotation behind the top three of King, Yu Darvish, and former Red Sox righty Nick Pivetta.
It would take more than just a single young starter to pry Cease away from the Padres, of course. As McAdam notes, the Red Sox would have to factor how much they’d be willing to give up for a rental pitcher like Cease, particularly when the club has already significantly dipped into its farm system to swing the Crochet trade. Crochet was a different situation altogether, as he is arbitration-controlled for two seasons and is making only $3.8MM in 2025, plus the left-hander has already expressed some interest in signing a contract extension. Cease is making $13.75MM in his final year before free agency, and like most Boras Corporation clients, is more likely to test the open market than explore an extension to remain with the Padres, Red Sox, or whatever team Cease might be playing for by season’s end.
The shorter-term benefit of adding Cease is obvious for a Red Sox club that seems intent on returning to contention. Cease could slide right in as Boston’s No. 1 starter, bumping everyone down a step and lengthening the team’s rotation. Since Alex Bregman could opt out of his new contract as early as next winter, the Sox might be viewing 2025 with particular “win now” urgency, and acquiring Cease would certainly help in quickly getting Boston back into the playoff race.
Salary-wise, the Red Sox are projected (as per RosterResource) for an approximate $241.6MM luxury tax number this season, putting the team just a touch over the $241MM tax threshold. Bringing Cease’s salary on board would put the Sox more firmly into tax territory, which is perhaps notable since the traditionally high-spending Red Sox have crossed the tax line just once in the last five years. Again, Boston’s renewed focus on contending might not make a one-year tax hit a big deal in the eyes of ownership, especially since even without adding Cease, it stands to reason the Sox will look to make some kind of in-season add at the deadline if the club is indeed competing for a postseason spot.
Pads should not be in a hurry. Cease keeps them competitive in a tough division. Better they reassess things at the trade deadline.
I think Pads have really diminished their credibility the past few years. They have made so many contradictory deals.
Did you miss the part about the Padres “go for it” Ownership Control person and moneyman Peter Seidler dying?!
And, the jockeying for Ownership control in the courts & press
by Seidler’s widow and 4 brothers?!
People die.
Finances change.
It is part of the Ownership of any business including sports ownership.
MLB Clubs understand that fact as do most of the fans.
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I think Pads have really diminished their credibility
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With whom? The fans? They continue to be competitive, so how they get there should make no difference to the fans.
Joe, you are right about that. The team has increased payroll more than only one other team this offseason and are showing they are going for it. Fans have shown that they support what they are doing by selling out all the season tickets and nearly all of the single game tickets already.
Yoshida , Abreu and 10 millions for Cease
You think the Padres would do that?
Yes… Abreu is a star wt 6 years of control and Yoshida at 40 millions 3 years
Come on man….nobody….I mean nobody is willing to take your Yoshida mistake on….the Sox have been shopping him for months with no takers…….
Abreu is a star? Come on now. Plus, nobody wants Yoshida. He’s an overpaid slap hitting dh. There’s a reason you’d be fine with the Sox giving up these guys
No one wants Abreu… I would take Yoshida before Abreu.
think you’ve seen too many ads to think straight
Abreu is a platoon RF. A 4th OF once Anthony is called up. Yoshida is a platoon DH with no power. No team would be willing to take on Yoshida and $55.8 million when he can’t throw a ball or hit live pitching yet.
We are not getting rid of our backups and trash for a top of the rotation starter. It’s going to take giving up players with real value to the Padres. You know what they asked for in December. What makes you think they would want less now?
Yoshida’s “value” is to a team trying to meet MLBPA payroll minimums.
Any other real trade value will be attached. Red Sox have the prospect pool to offer that but they look more likely to utilize that nearer to the trade deadline if the opportunity/need is there.
If that’s me you’re talking to, then that’s right. Most of the ads I see are from prissy Sox fans who think every trade they propose is accurate
Devers for Cease straight up?
No pending FA would want to sign with Boston if they see someone like Devers sign a big contract and get moved 1-2 years later imho.
He was trolling. No way SD can afford another long term big money contract. This is nonsense right now
LMAO…. you are a moron
No only because Cease is on a one year deal. They would wait until next off-season than trade anyone important to this year. They won’t trade Anthony or Campbell either for a rental.
You need to remember the Padres are trying to reduce their salary. Won’t be Devers, and I’m sure they are going to wantvabpitchervin return also
The Padres got themselves into the mess… they cut payroll but only half of it. Trading Soto was dumb, he was almost done anyway and it cost them going further in the postseason… then they turn around and trade for Cease and get back into financial trouble. They knew exactly what they were doing.
And all the cryhard fans who wanted Bogaerts so bad on the Red Sox are now taking a sigh of relief. Bloom did a good thing by not signing him to that contract. So many hypocritical Sox fans
If they were trying to reduce salary, why did they get Cease in the first place, especially after shedding Soto? They don’t have common sense
They aren’t even trying to cut payroll. They keep adding payroll.
Padres are not the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox etc.
They are a smaller market team that borders
on Mexico to the south, the Pacific Ocean to the West, the Cleveland National Park, mountains and desert to the east and Orange Country (Angels) and LA Dodgers to the North.
The Padres have to be creative if they want to be David to the Goliath like the Dodgers in the AL West.
With a hard floor and a salary cap for MLB,
this kind of creative financing and player drafting, trading, signing, trading will continue into the foreseeable future.
The Padres are selling out most games and drawing over 3 million fans a season.
The local TV provider went bankrupt last year and MLB TV stepped in to handle their TV
Attendance and MLB national TV contracts make up most of their revenues.
To stay competitive with the Dodgers without spending 300M and running deficits,
creative financing, trading for players that will keep the Padres playoffs competitive and will not walk with no player compensation when free agency is looming is part of that process.
They have to keep fan interest and keep those turnstiles turning and the cash rolling in
to keep it going or they would be looking at fire sales and tear downs of the team.
Trading Soto was very smart.
It cut payroll and filled a lot of holes especially in ithe starting rotation.
Padres won more games (93) without Soto than with Soto.
It would have been smarter to never trade for Soto in the 1st place since all the young rising stars they gave to the Nats would plug most of the current holes on the Padres for less money and more years of club control.
I meant with out a salary floor and ceiling
(cap) teams like the Padres will have to
operate like this.
The Rays operate in a similar way but they rarely give out big contracts.
More trades will be coming either before the end of Spring Training or by the trade deadline.
Since the Padres and other teams keep their budget and payroll pretty close to the vest.
It is hard to say if then can afford
to exceed the luxury tax or not.
That is a decision for Ownership and the Control person.
The Padres don’t want Devers.
They already have Bogaerts.
King – I hope you’re right, because what they traded for a 2-year rental pitcher with only 10 career good starts and a history of injuries was obscene.
Sports – Great post, very informative.
And for those wondering why Cleveland National Forest is in SoCal and not Cleveland, Ohio ….. it’s named after Grover Cleveland.
bloom didn’t need to sign him to anywhere near that contract in order to keep him.
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If they were trying to reduce salary, why did they get Cease in the first place,
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I’m just guessing here, but maybe to get into the playoffs AND stay under the cap?
Worms have seeped into his brain…
I say send Crawford, Casas and a mid range prospect like Blaze Jorden
only if they take Xander back lol
This is an offensive offer lmao
Abreu, Crawford & Miguel Bleis for Cease.
Abreu would start for SD and fans will love him for his defense and hard nosed play. Crawford is a solid, established #4 or #5 starter and Bleis is a wild card. He is the Sox #6 ranked prospect who could either become a star, or he may never make it to the majors. This seems like a decent package for 1 year of Cease.
There’s no way Boston is giving up Anthony, Campbell or Mayer for 1 year of Cease.
Red Sox, and throw in a bag of balls
RSFL, No. Preller wanted more for Cease at the Winter Meetings and that price has not gone down.
Yoshida would mean increasing the number of players and prospects the Red Sox send back to the Padres. He would not get a It will take the Red Sox paying $40 million of his remaining deal just as a salary dump with no good players going back to the Red Sox. If he was a free agent no one would pay him more than $5 million and there is no way he would get more than 1 year unless the 2nd year was as a team or mutual option.
So the answer is no.
Do you really want to know what it would take to get Cease? First, go look at Jon Paul Morosi on MLB Network during the Winter Meetings back in December. At that time Preller wanted Mayer, Abreu, Fitts, and Gonzalez. Then go find the articles about what he has asked the Orioles, Cubs, and Mets for in return for Cease. ALL of the asks by Preller included a top 30-50 prospect that is MLB ready (Mayer, Sproats, Shaw, Mayo/Bassalo), 2 SP that are in the majors or MLB ready, and a MLB position player.
Cease is not available and the Padres have made that clear by what they have asked for in trade. If teams want him, they have to meet what Preller is asking for because the Padres have no reason to lower their asking price.
So go back and re-do your trade proposal with those facts in mind.
If you are including Yoshida in your trade proposal, include $40 million and increase the number of players coming back to the Padres.
Thanks for attending my Ted Talk.
Note to Sox or any team.
Pads need Cease, not getting him unless for a king’s ransom.
How about a Michael King’s ransom?
Well played, good sir!
Crochet, Gio, Cease, Hendriks. Ah, memories of a White Sox team that has since imploded.
avenger – It’s only fair considering your team now has Booser, Gonzalez, Perez, Teel, Montgomery, Benintendi, Meidroth and the legendary Bobby Dalbec.
Note to Pads….Should of traded Cease last year, ya not getting a ransom when he’s a rental. Why give away blue chip prospects when he’s available to sign next year?
Which is why the Padres aren’t trading Cease.
They traded Soto and got a very nice return of multiple players that helped them win 93 games that year.
I think more or less the Padres don’t need to trade Cease.
With Cease the Padres ar four deep in their rotation.
Guys like Kyle Hart, Vasquez and Waldron then become alot more enticing options competing for the fifth spot.
Trade Cease and you are now three deep and you will not recoup Cease value in a trade.
So keep him.
Kyle Hart is a different pitcher than when he last played in the States.
He won the S Korean league version of the Cy Young Award last season/
bum – If a team feels it’s one pitcher away from contending for a championship, they will overpay …. especially if they intend to extend the player, which is a lot easier and cheaper than trying to sign them in free agency.
Hear me out…BoSox get both Cease and King from the Padres and vault to the top of the AL pennant contenders (maximizing the recent Bregman signing) while the Pads still stay in contention in the NL West and/or a wild card spot. BoSox would have to give up Anthony, 3 other nearly MLB ready, top 100, stud prospects that include a left fielder and (potential 3-5) youthful starting pitcher or two + a 1-2 year bridge catcher (until Salas is ready for the Pads) along with a current 3-4 starting pitcher. Essentially…a two starting pitchers for 6 players deal. BoSox maximize their contention window and the Padres prolong theirs.
The Padres are not trading King..
They thing they can extend King.
The Red Sox aren’t trading Anthony.
I’d think the biggest package boston might throw out there is one of casas/rafaela, one of fitts/priester, and Yoshida goes along with most if not all of his contract. Max paydown around 4m in 2025, then maybe 5/6m in 26.
We’re only talking a year, and, the comp pick on Cease is only after the 4th/before the 5th for Boston.
The Sox are not trading Casas or Rafaela…. Abreu, Yoshida and Criswell… and paying down 4 million per season on Yoshida’s contract.
For one year? Not happening
Padres and Preller are not taking the yard sale guys you don’t want for Cease who was in the top 5 voting for Cy Young 2 in the last 5 years.
King is not being traded..
Cease and King are better individually than anyone one in Boston’s rotation at the present.
Quality #1 starters are expensive.
If you want to drive a Mercedes
then you have to pay Mercedes prices.
You won’t be buying a mercedes for the cost of a Ford or Chevy no matter how long you use it or keep it.
GaSox – I agree with most of your suggestion, except the Sox would have to eat quite a bit of Rafaela’s and Yoshida’s contracts because SD wouldn’t take on either.
Overall I think there’s nothing to the Cease/Sox trade talk. They’ve invested far too much in Crochet/Buehler/Gio/Sandoval/Bello to take on yet another SP who will likely demand big money for an extension.
If Padres wanted to be competitive, they would have kept Soto
Padres were a better team and won more games after they traded away Soto.
I would love Dylan Cease. The guy is a gamer. We still have a logjam though and Yoshida has to be the one to go. And we can’t give up much for a rental.
The Padres aren’t going to just give him away. Taking in Yoshida is probably a non-starter but if he was involved, the return would get that much more steep.
I realize that they’re not just going to give him away, which most likely makes the trade not worthwhile if anyone but Yoshida isn’t moved. I don’t think we take the bait on this one.
I apologize, my post was mid-thought and ambiguous. I was weighing a bunch of scenarios
That’s why this trade isn’t happening, they aren’t giving up top prospects for 1 year of control of Cease. They would just wait until next year and try to buy him in free agency.
Another reason this trade isnt happening is that the Padres want to win now, they likely have a better team than the Red Sox, and the last thing they want are prospects in exchange for an ace.
I agree. Before Pivetta, I could’ve seen the Padres trying to get under the cap, but now, that train has left the station. IMO, winning should now be the priority over getting under the cap.
And your problem with that thought is NOBODY wants Yoshida…..
Disagree Rocky, Many teams would love Yoshida’s bat but not at that price. If Boston eats $20m – $25m and he shows his shoulder is fine, there will be multiple teams talking to Breslow. I’ve said it before, he can win a batting title if everything goes right. He’s just not a fit on a lefty leaning club that has to move Devers off third.
Could not have said it better @dewey
Yoshida would not get $35 million in free agency. No team is picking up that much of his contract. Yoshida would be lucky to get $8 million for 1 year right now. He is the biggest mistake Bloom made among many.
Padres already have Arraez who has won 2 or 3 batting titles and makes less 44 than Yoshida
Funny how Yoshida was “the machine” the first few months of when he played, making Bloom look like a genius. Then he became a scapegoat when his bat diminished. So many Sox fans change on a dime.
rocky7
And your problem with that thought is NOBODY wants Yoshida…..
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That’s because you don’t understqnd trade dynamics.
How many teams want Stroman? -0-
How many teams want Stroman if the NYY kick in $14M? Probably 10-15 at his new price tag. It is always about WAR/$$$.
Joe- the issues with even that is his possible 18m next year. Nobody wants that either.
Six feet of bubble gum. For you. Not them.
“Sometimes I feel like I’ve been kickin’ a dead horse…”
I’m always puzzled seeing so many Padre fans act like there’s no way Cease will be traded. AJ Preller and Jerry Dipoto have to be the two most likely GM’s to make a trade every year. Last year pad fans were fighting everyone in the comment section on how Preller would never move Soto. Plus the name of this site literally has “trade rumors” in it.
Im not saying Cease will definitely get moved, but I wouldn’t ever bet against Preller pulling the trigger on an expiring deal.
@Murray. It’s not that a Cease trade is viewed as not possible by Padre fans, it’s that there’s been roughly 20 articles suggesting there’s a rumor, when no new news is actually being reported. Did you click on the link to MassLive.com? I did. The GM of the Padres, like every GM in MLB, is always willing to listen to offers on players, especially those with just one year left on their contract. But that fact alone is not newsworthy IMO.
And if Cease is traded now it would go against everything the Padres front office has actually said publicly to the contrary. But if you enjoy click bait for the mere sake of it, that’s fine too.
It’s called mlb trade rumors. What do you expect? Most of us come here for this specific type of content. AJ loves to make trades more than almost every other GM in baseball.
Also your comments are still up under all the old Soto/Padre articles. You’re the commenter who was swearing up and down that Soto wouldn’t be moved. You were wrong then and I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re wrong about Cease too. People need to remind you more often so you learn a little humility and common sense.
So you do like meaningless click bait when there’s no news, or even a real rumor? Okay.
And I never said Soto wouldn’t be traded the 2nd time, I guess you’re mischaracterizing me as someone else. I was the one saying they didnt trade for him the 1st time with the intention of trading him a year later, and that if they did trade him (the 2nd time) then it was an admission to making a mistake on the the first Soto trade.
Murray – either you aren’t remembering correctly or you are over generalizing because I think a lot of Pads fans were saying they didn’t want a Soto traded but not that they didn’t think he would be traded.
SD needed Cease, King, Higgy and Vásquez a lot more than Soto.
Still have 3 of those again this year.
The comments are still up longtimecoming
Here’s one from Brew88 October 2023 (two months before he was traded)
“they’ll extend Soto, sign Nola and Snell, and Eguy leads the league in hitting.”
If you go back further pads fans were even worse, insulting everyone and laughing at these unfounded rumors.
I understand we all overrate our own guys but Brew even pointed out none of the Yankees prospects were top 100 outside Dominguez and how the pads would never do a Soto trade without top 100’s included. Just a few months later Soto was moved and a few months after that Thorpe hit top 100 lists.
My point is SD fans need to relax, zoom out and let their GM cook. Especially when many of you guys were wrong about generational talent Soto not getting moved because he just bought a house in SD, etc.
You have to totally disregard Pads Fan – we do!
I think the post that you quoted was a total sarcastic one – Eguy leading league on hitting is a fair indication.
Clarity of direction from the top. Padres going for it. Cease is going nowhere (neither is King).
John Seidler gets unanimous vote as control person from the other owners. Shortly therafter, AJ gets the green light to sign Pivetta. Then a story here about getting another hitter. Again, Padres going for it.
John getting the opportunity to carry out his late brother’s goal of winning it all … and looks like without hindrance from other family members whether blood relative or through marriage.
Murray you clearly lack a sarcasm filter. And do you lump all fans from all teams into one singular persona? How about countries? Races? Religions?
The Padres didn’t need those players more. They just knew he wouldn’t sign there.
Thorpe was #85 at the time of that trade and the Yankees had 4 others in Top 100 then. Now Dominguez is the only one. Not then. No one thought the Yankees would be willing to give up 4 MLB players for one year of Soto.
Gave you a thumbs up for 1st sentence. The Padres are going for it. Their actions are clear.
mlb.com/padres/team/front-office
John Seidler is not now the Padres control person or Chairman. That position is held by Eric Kutsenda and will be until the lawsuit is settled. As of today and for the foreseeable future absolutely nothing has changed in the Padres executive offices.
All of what has happened is exactly what Kutsenda and Greupner have been saying since before Matt Seidler tried to name John Seidler control person or the lawsuit was filed.
They said that the Padres would have a payroll somewhere between 2023 and 2024 which is where they are now, that they have the payroll flexibility to add any player or players that are a fit which they have done, and that the level of payroll we would see in 2025 is sustainable.
John has never been involved with the Padres. He did not show up at Peter’s memorial at Petco and he has only been seen at Petco once or twice in the entire time the Seidler/.O’Malley clan has been part of the ownership group. He has not shown up at Fan Fest in any year including 2025.
Mets Era, Wrong. Boras has said multiple times that if Peter Deidler had not died, that Soto would still be a Padre. That they were deep in negotiations.
But he did die and then they had no choice but to trade him. I agree if the owner was alive he might have ponied up to the Mets levels but when he died the Padres outlook changed for at least a few years until the ownership is stabilized.
They did have a choice. The one they made was to get 4 MLB players and a TOP 100 prospect that they traded for a TOR starter.
The Padres outlook is that they dipped under the CBT last season and now have the #6 payroll in MLB. A payroll level that the Chairman and the CEO have said is sustainable for them. Only one team has increased payroll more than the Padres and its not the Mets.
The ownership and control of the team is stable. It will be until the lawsuit is settled.
mlb.com/padres/team/front-office
Eric Kutsenda is the control person and Chairman. Erik Greupner is the CEO. AJ Preller is the POBO.
I was saying Soto was getting traded from the gitgo as were many other Padres fans.
Would have been better if the Padres kept
all they young star players and passed on trading for Soto in the 1st place.
And that was my position when the Padres 1st traded for
Soto.
With Boras as his agent, it was obvious that
Soto’s days in San Diego were numbered as
soon as he put on his 1st Padres jersey at the announcement presser.
Peter reaaaallllllyyyy wanted Soto though… and the rest is history. RIP PS
MAKE IT STOP AAAAAAAAAAA-
“I can’t quit you”
Gwynn – The GNR version is better ;O)
“Sometimes, I feel like I’m beating a dead horse”
And I don’t know why you’d be bringing me downnnn…
Love it FPG!
Gwynn – I wish I could show you my license plate, you’d appreciate it ;O)
“G N FN R” ??? Haha
Do the Padres know?
Casas, Yoshidas contract which is 3 years 55 mill left, RHP Fitts, RHP Dobbins, 3B/1B Blaze Jordan
Cease and the QO pick he will command at seasons end for Casas and Dobbins. padres taking remainder of Yoshidas contract costs Red Sox Fitts and Jordan
Or
Casas
Fitts or Dobbins
OF Castro
No Yoshidas contract
Cease will command a similar return to Burnes who netted
Joey Ortiz (63rd overall prospect mlb pipeline at time of trade), a young controllable replacement pitcher, and a 1st round pick.
Red Sox could be in a position to move Yoshidas contract who the padres can put at RF every day and give Hayward at bats to rest Tatis Jr and Yoshida. Give Joe at bats at 1B and DH against lefties.
If Casas was being offered for Cease SD would have already pulled the trigger.
Casas for Cease straight up? Doubtful padres would pull the trigger. Esp if Red Sox are trying to attach Yoshidas contract to Casas like they did when they were in talks with mariners for Castillo.
Have you seen what Preller is asking for? Mayer and more.
It doesn’t hurt to ask the same way Breslow calls Preller and offers Yoshida straight up. I’d rather have Burnes and the deal got Baltimore nowhere.
@easy Padres would absolutely take a ore arb ascending talent like Casas in exchange for only 1 year of Cease. Adding Yoshida and his contract is a different story though. That contract is basically unmovable.
Easy – Preller probably wouldn’t pull that trigger now, but if Casas has a first half like he performed in 2023 (after May) he would most definitely pull the trigger.
Casas has massive potential if his rib injury is no longer a concern.
dewey – I don’t follow, are you saying Burnes didn’t help the O’s last year?
Fever – some guys are of the opinion that if there is no trophy then the trade was bad. Dewey is on that camp if he thinks Burnes didn’t help the O’s in their effort to improve their chances at a WS.
I’ve never understood the shortsighted view – it isn’t like the trophy would be in Maryland now with the pieces they traded away pitching every 5th day instead of Burnes.
As a Padres fan, I’ve been having this conversation for years and years.
Long – That’s an interesting theory.
I’ve heard how players such as Ernie Banks were supposedly no good because they never won a WS.
But I’ve never heard that spin with regard to traded players.
So all but one team’s trades are bad because only one team wins the WS? Well alrighty then ….
Fever – I said that is what some guys on here seem to think – not me as I expressed.
It’s how they say that Burnes didn’t help O’s – they only logical way to read that statement is that this person thinks because o’s failed to win WS he didn’t “help” them.
It’s how they say AJ should never have traded for Soto because he didn’t bring a championship. They fail to acknowledge that Washington hasn’t won with those guys!
Long – I understand that wasn’t your personal view, I never said it was ;O)
I totally agree, baseball is a team sport and requires a greater number of contributors to win than other team sports. You can have a Tom Brady or a Michael Jordan carry a team to a championship, but no one single pitcher (or any player) can do it.
If a deal is made, I’d think Yoshida would have to be attached to it. He has to go. There’s just no room for him logically to be on this roster. He’d have to be packaged and we’d probably have to pay for it.
Padres don’t want any part of Yoshida.
Padres turned down a similar deal when the Yankees tried to attach Stroman to the deal.
It was a big fat no!
I doubt the Red Sox will trade Casas for one year of Cease if they wouldn’t trade him to Seattle for 3 years of Castillo. They seemed to only be open to trading Casas for a young, controllable pitcher.
I thought Seattle didn’t want Casas? That’s what I read.
I’m indifferent on Casas. He’s tradeable as I think he’s not as good as people make him out to be (yet), but hes still decent for us. Meanwhile, Yoshida is the elephant in the room.
Seattle didn’t want Casas in a trade for one of their younger starters, but did ask for him in a potential trade for Castillo and the Red Sox said no to that. Just found the article.
mlbtraderumors.com/2024/12/details-on-mariners-red…
I just think trading Casas doesn’t solve anything. It’s just putting band aids on band aids. Yoshida clears up the logjam.
Why trade a guy who has been half decent and we have locked up in younger years for a rental? The only result would be shifting guys around the diamond
I agree. I want to keep Casas.
I’m indifferent. I just don’t see the advantage of it. We need to get rid of Yoshida somehow. I’d pay to do that- it opens DH for both Devers and Casas, allows Bregman to play 3b, and Grissom to play 2b and hopefully bounce back.
Otherwise, if it’s not Yoshida or Grissom, you have a roster problem and Christian Campbell is knocking on the door.
“ as MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand reports that the Sox weren’t willing to agree to a deal that would’ve seen Casas swapped in exchange for Luis Castillo. The Red Sox were only open to such a trade if Masataka Yoshida was included along with Casas.”
mlbtraderumors.com/2024/12/details-on-mariners-red…
Red Sox were willing to Trade Casas for Castillo if Mariners took Yoshidas contract entirely.
Padres can certainly take Yoshidas contract entirely. But it’ll cost some prospects to do so.
Nobody is taking Yoshidas contract for free like Red Sox seem to think teams should. And Casas alone isnt worth taking Yoshidas 3 years 55 mill. So Res Sox either kick in cash or kick in prospects
The Mariners said no to Casas for Castillo.
@baaeballisthebest
they said no to Castillo for Casas AND yoshida
Can’t find a single rumor that mentioned Yoshida but several including from Cotillo that mention Casas alone.
What happened was Boston was willing to trade Casas straight up for Woo or Miller. The Mariners said no and countered with Castillo straight up for Casas and the Red Sox said no. The Red Sox countered with Casas and Yoshida for Castillo and the Mariners said no took like 1 minute of google to find this out.
that’s a gross overpay for a pitcher in a walk year and if the padres are moving on from Cease it’s because they’re trying to save money so the sox would have to pay down Yoshida’s contract.
Also burns was significantly more accomplished than Cease is when Burns got dealt.
Nobody is taking Yoshidas 3 years 55 mill for free.
Casas Fitts and Castro is more than fair since
Casas is about equivalent value of Joey Ortiz since Casas is a 1B/DH type and comes with 4 years not standard 6.
DL Hall was a significantly better pitching prospect than Fitts
First rounder brewers got is worth more than Castro.
So cease actually commands less than Burnes did overall but to each their own.
I never suggested someone was taking on Yoshida for free. I’m suggesting that Giving up those three even without Yoshida is a massive overpay for a guy in walk year.
Burnes was not significantly more accomplished when dealt than Cease is. By both bWAR and fWAR they provided the same value. Sure, Burnes won the CYA that should have gone to Wheeler, but their value is the same.
Burns is more accomplished. He has a higher WAR, better K/9 better FIP better ERA+ won the cy young which he deserved over Wheeler, and made more all star teams.
Of course he has a higher WAR—he’s pitched one season more than Cease. And he doesn’t have a better K/9.
Through six seasons he had a 13.6 bWAR. Cease through six seasons is at 16 bWAR.
Burns FIP is 3.21 compared to Cease which 3.69. Better WHIP, walked less significantly better ERA too (3.19 vs 3.69). Lastly Burns has been significantly better in the Post season as well. Bottom line Burns has been the better more consistent pitcher vs Cease. I like Cease but he’s not at Burns level. There are plenty of other indicators besides b war to show that Burns is the better pitcher.
ok, keep changing the goalposts.
ok keep being overly fixated on one stat.
Hey, you are the one that brought up WAR as an example of Burnes’ superiority. When it was revealed that Cease actually has the edge, you changed to “that’s not the only stat that matters.”
You also said K/9 so you were wrong 2/4. Batting .500 in baseball terms but in the real world being wrong half the time isn’t such a feat.
Yes because burns war is better. you keep harping on the B war like it’s the only stat that matters. I was wrong about the K/9 I can admitted I mis read that but the other stats are accurate. Also it wasn’t 4 stats it was many more than that that show Burns is better. . you provided one which isn’t exactly a lot to support your point.
Providing addition evidence to support your point isn’t moving the goalposts.
No. Burns and Cease are very similar pitchers.
And, the price on young top of the rotation starters has gone up since last year if you haven’t noticed that fact.
You can sit around in your MLBb fantasy league
and insiste on things that are not happening.
In the real world, you have to pay market rate or higher for Cy Young competitive #1 starters or you don’t get them.
No Burns and cease aren’t as similar as you’re making it out to be. Burns has clearly been the better pitcher to date and has been more accomplished and more consistent pitcher than Cease.
tin arms of trades he price has gone up for players that are younger than cease, have more years before free agency, and aren’t as expensive. Perhaps you should be more aware of that fact.
I seriously doubt the RS trade 4 years of Casas for one year of Cease. In any case, that would leave us without a 1B, and I don’t trust Devers to make that switch.
I don’t think he gets moved this ST, but if he does, it will be for a haul. The Red Sox don’t seem like the team that needs to pay that haul. They have a strong SP rotation already.
I could see the Cubs or Mets overpaying if either team has any injuries or setbacks to their rotations in the next couple of weeks. Otherwise, Preller just keeps Cease.
What’s so great about our rotation?
I love Buehler but he wasn’t the same last year.
Crochet has had less than one full season of experience. We don’t have much data on him.
Giolito is a complete question mark.
Kutter Crawford is half decent, but a better #4 or #5.
Bello still hasn’t put it all together yet.
Tanner Houck is probably the one I would count on the most and even he has an injury history.
Red Sox rotation has a high ceiling but a low floor. Cease raises the ceiling and the floor.
Sox need a starter that is going to give them a quality 32 starts.
So do the padres.
Crochet is coming off injuries and has never pitched anywhere close to a full load for a full season including playoffs,
Crotchet will be on an innings limit.
I like Buehler, but he has been hurt and not the same pitcher that he was earlier with the Dodgers. Probably on an innings limit in ’25.
Crochet was hurt and is on an innings limit.
He does not have the track record as giving his team
160-200 innings. He is like a converted reliever
The other 3 pitchers, I don’t know much about but they are bottom of the rotation guys from all that I have read on them..
Nobody is giving up a”haul” for 1 year of Cease.
Hence he wont be moved
Some team will if looks like Cease is the difference between making the playoffs and also advancing in the 2025 playoffs.
Flags fly forever.
Teams hoarding prospects even prospects blocked by major league starters are not serious about winning a Championship.
The Mets aren’t overpaying in a trade ever. It’s not how they operate. They will overpay for free agents but never prospect capital.
The Mets don’t have the prospect capital and/or major league talent that match up with the Padres needs.
So, I doubt the Mets will get Cease unless a 3rd team is involved in the deal
The Padres already had a few of those Mets starters who used to pitch for the Oakland A’s.
Cease is much better than those players.
Hey Mark,. Bees or Beads???
Salt Lake Bees.
They – Boston B’s.
Sox have due Dylangence
Speculatively speaking
These jokes must Cease.
Is this article a repost of an earlier article?
it’s a repost of a repostpalooza
MLBTR almost made it through the weekend. That said, it’s going to take more than what is being reported to get Cease. He may be a “rental” but he will no doubt be an expensive one. A trade can be BOTH a necessity and preventative…
Don’t underestimate the power of persuasion….if we just say the Padres will trade Cease often enough, it will become true
Getting Aroldis Chapman, Alex Bregman and then former NYY Michael King to be a Yankee killer would be peak petty, though not quite on Super Bowl display. Do it!
Not getting King.
Padres are holding onto King.
May extend him,
Run – Ironically Bregman has sucked against the Yankees throughout his career, even including the trashcan/buzzer years.
.206/.307/.327/.634 in 189 career PA’s against the Yanks.
@FeverPitch — Crane didn’t splurge for the 4K cam in CF. Bregman paid the price.
Sox fans still trying to get rid of Yoshida while expecting quality in return. Won’t happen. No one wants that contract.
Yeah Sox fans have always had one of the worst reputations at overvaluing their prospects. I’m more surprised MLBTR floated Kutter as a main piece even after his injury got in the news.
Red Sox and Yankees fans need to realize they’ll be better off dumping Yoshida and Stroman in separate deals instead of trying to lump them in for actual value.
Try a bad contract swap
Yoshida to the Tigers for Javier Baez
Sports – Not sure if you’re joking, but if not ….. why would the Sox take on $37M more than Yoshida’s contract for a player who is far worse than a healthy Yoshida?
Padres already had Ha Song Kim for half price of Yoshida and let him walk into free agency. Why would they want Yoshida?!
Clue#1 Padres have no interest in Yoshida.
Love all these trade Yoshida contract. Umm let’s see you understand Padres want to go below CBT and are cutting salary. They don’t want a singles hitting outfielder who shouldn’t ever see the field with a bloated salary. Probably take 2 of a teams top 10 then another one in top 20. .
All recent reports say the padres are willing to go over the tax. They are about 17+m over the tax now. Even trading cease doesn’t get them below
Trading Cease and Suarez gets them under the luxury tax.
Why does Casas remind me of Eric Hosmer?
Hosmer had a nice career.
As a Padres fan I think they should trade Cease if the return is right. They are going to need cheap, controllable talent given the albatross contracts that will be weighing them down for the next decade.
Preller will weed out some of those contracts
and Catcher Ethan Salas and SS DeVries
both will have 6 years of low cost control
Preller would trade his mother if the price was right. He has already said what that price is for Cease. A top 30 overall prospect in MLB, 2 MLB ready SP prospects, and another MLB player.
If a team meets his asking price, then the rest is history.
Cue Yankees fans everywhere..
How about Stroman and LeMahieu for Cease and San Diego’s first round pick??
SARCASM ALERT!
The Padres don’t want Stroman, (No offense to Stroman0!
They have 4-5 guys competing for #5 in the rotation and all of them pitch better than Stroman at this point in his career for the major league minimum.
I don’t know who this prospect named Due Dillogenc is, but if he doesn’t have 6 years control and a high pedigree as a starter, it’s no deal
“Due diligence”..I had to laugh. Could mean anything from they got hung up on to they mentioned his name when they went out for a beer.
We almost went a whole week this time. I know how badly the writers would love the Padres to trade everyone away and fade back into obscurity, but you can’t will it into existence.
Just another 20 to 30 Cease articles to go before he’s actually traded at the deadline….
Why does Casas remind me of Bobby Dalbec?
They – Both are over 6’4″ due to excessively long legs.
they want more white sox pitchers?
For anyone comparing the burnes deal to this, whatever happened there matters zero.
Trades are not done in a vacuum. You want to convince the padres to significantly damage their contention hopes during a year in their window? If you’re gonna get it done at all, you’re going to get fleeced.
Cease won’t be traded unless the Padres get a haul of major league ready and almost major league ready talent back in return.
#1 Starters who have finished in the Top 5 of the Cy Young Voting
2 out of the past 4-5 years do not grow on trees.
Lots of teams have rotations and not a true #1 Starter.
Making the playoffs and World Series and winning it
is not usually done when your team is loaded with #4 and #5 Starters.
Cease gives many teams a good shot to make and advance in the playoffs even to the WS.
That kind of talent and opportunity is not handed over
for some of your teams re treads that you want to drop
off at the recycling center.
Any offer that includes Casas & Yoshida is a non-starter. The Sox think those two are desirable, they’re not.
Red Sox management know that Preller is not giving them Cease @ #1 starter for yard sale guys that the Red Sox are trying to move off their roster.
Red Sox aren’t trying to move Casas unless they get a young pitcher with upside. I really doubt they trade him straight up for Cease.
They are trying to move Masa that’s the only reason they would consider moving four years of control of Casas for one year of Cease. The Red Sox are similar to the Padres they are only moving Casas if they can attach Masa. They aren’t moving him for less than that.
The reality is Cease will probably get moved at the deadline so will King if they are out of the hunt. At this point I don’t see the Red Sox moving Casas either he is the first baseman. This might change if Devers gets a bunch of reps at first and looks really good, which I think is doubtful. Nothing to see here San Diego isn’t trading Cease and Boston isn’t trading Casas.
Sometimes I think people forget that having a 6’4 big dude at first base with soft hands helps every infielder knowing they can let it loose and he has a huge catch radius and can pick balls out of the dirt if needed.
This concept of moving Devers to first instead of DH is preposterous.
No way do Story and Bregman and whoever you put at second base want Devers playing first. And no chance Red Sox play Devers over Bregman at 3rd base.
Story and Bregman give you really good range on the left side and outstanding defense if they stay healthy. This helps pitchers in a Huge way for anyone that understands a pitchers mindset. It allows them to attack the inside part of the plate with confidence. People keep telling Ortiz to talk to Devers and tell him to be happy being a DH. It should be Pedro explaining to the young kid what a huge difference it makes for the pitching staff to be dominant on the inside third of the plate.
Bregman just won another gold glove @ 3B.
Red Sox starting pitching is on the shaky side.
They don’t need defenders giving opponents 4-5 outs.
Pop – You’re absolutely correct that having a 6’5″ first baseman helps with snagging throws. However having a 6′ first baseman is not that uncommon, considering many first basemen are there because they couldn’t play any other position.
ENOUGH
That’s if Preller is even willing to trade with the Red Sox after the Anderson Espinoza medical records issue.
There was no Anderson Espinoza medic record issue. There was the issue of AJ Preller lying about Drew Pomeranz’s medical record which got AJ suspended for a month.
Yes there was. Espinoza needed TJ within a year and then again two years later. Drew Pomeranz has never had TJ and was a big part of the Red Sox rotation the next 2.5 years.
LCGSD619: “Yes there was.”
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There never was any Anderson Espinoza medical records issue. You are making this up. I posted evidence for what I am saying. Where is your evidence? Oh, that’s right. There is none.
Espinoza needed TJ within a year and then again two years later. Drew Pomeranz has never had TJ and was a big part of the Red Sox rotation the next 2.5 years.
That does not mean there was a medical record issue with Anderson Espinoza. If there was any medical record issue, I’m sure AJ Preller would have pointed it out after he just got busted for that. There was never any accusations of medical records issues regarding Anderson Espinoza.
Yeah Espinoza TOTALLY didn’t have a medical record issue! *wink*
You TOTALLY have no proof for what you are saying! *wink*
So you sarcastically say that I have no proof for what I am saying implying that I actually do. Great! Glad we could be in agreement.
LFGSD619: What? Let me be clear: You are saying that the Red Sox gave inaccurate medical records to the Padres about Anderson Espinoza. There has never been any accusation of that from the Padres or anyone…except you. So, please provide some evidence to back up your accusation or stop lying.
Espinoza needing TJ twice while Pomeranz never needed it is the evidence.
Not sure he lied. But, if he did not disclose it and knew it then that is a misrepresentation and not full disclosure and not good.
Red Sox are big boys
If they need a player and that guy happens to be Cease, then they will deal with the Padres.
“According to an ESPN report, Padres had two separate medical databases: one for internal use and another for industry consumption, purportedly in an attempt to come out ahead in trades.”
espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17554327/san-diego-padres-…
foxsports.com/stories/mlb/padres-gm-suspended-30-d…
LFG – Who is the person who was proven to have withheld Pomeranz’s medical records?
Who is the one who got suspended for it?
Oh yeah …. A.J. Preller
Thanks for reminding everyone.
There was nothing to withhold. Pomz was fine. Wish we could say the same about Anderson Espinoza.
LFG – Sure, MLB suspends team executives all the time and the executives never fight it.
So the Cards never spied and the Astros never cheated, got it.
The Padres president Mike Dees was fired shortly after that whole debacle. Not sure how he was involved, just that he was fired right after Preller’s suspension was over. Preller is still with the Padres 9 years later. I may be looking at this wrong, but it seems to me Preller took the fall with MLB and was rewarded by the team.
I say keep him unless they offer a ML starter & LF with control & upside, ready to step in now.
Only relevant question is how much of the Xander contract is Boston willing to pay if we throw in Cease and Suarez.
Not happening.
The Padres are not ‘selling low” on Xander.
Xander will have a “bounceback year” in ’25.
Then, if teams have interest then they will have to get in line and pay full market prices in young cost controlled players to get Xander.
The problem with Xander is the tail end of that contract, and always will be.
There’s no premium of young cost controlled players that make up a trade for it unless SD is kicking in $100-150m in salary relief.
so you think Cease and Xander + $100M for some mid-level pitching prospect?
I was thinking Cease, Suarez, and Xander could maybe get the deal done, and only to Boston because of their history with Xander and the issues they’ve had with Story.
the other scenario is Xander continues to regress, offensively and defensively, and this opportunity to potentially package him with some valuable 1-year rentals never comes again.
Padres keep Cease until the deadline or they are out of contention unless there is a gross overpay.
Red Sox have to eat Yoshida’s contract until he shows he’s healthy and worth the money if that ever happens.
Padres will not be “out of contention” at the trade deadline.
However, they could still trade Cease at the Deadline
like the Tigers traded Flaherty @ the ’24 deadline, got hot and still made the playoffs.
@SportsFan0000 The Padres will not trade Cease at the deadline if they are in contention. No team has ever traded a player like Cease at the deadline and made a deep playoff run that year. A move like that would also directly contradict Preller’s established MO of NOT selling at the deadline even when he frankly should.
Launch, Yoshi hasn’t come close to showing he is worth a third of his salary yet. Now he is coming off surgery to his throwing shoulder and can’t throw or hit live pitching yet. If Henry is not willing to eat $40 million of the $55 million he is owed then we are stuck with him.
Baseball – With all due respect, Yoshida has absolutely demolished the ball for at least half a season in each of his two years with the Red Sox.
Twice he has gone more than 3 months with an OPS of over .900
April 20th-Aug 19th, 2024 he batted .325 with a .901 OPS
April 18th-Jul 25th, 2023 he batted .339 with a .927 OPS
In both years it was only health issues that prevented him from having a .900+ OPS full season.
Geez, I wonder why Japanese players such as Yamamoto and Roki don’t even want to meet with the Red Sox when searching for a team. Yeah I’m sure all the baseless Yoshida-hate has nothing to do with it, right?
We play full seasons. Staying healthy is a skill Yoshi doesn’t have and his most recent injury is one that most players don’t return to form for years after having that surgery. Because of his lack of hitting, his lack of power, his lack ability to play defense and his proclivity for getting injured, Yoshi has no value in trade. Many writers including Dierkes and Adams on this site and our own Chris Cotillo have spoken about the fact that he would not command a muti-year deal if he was a free agent and likely would get only a 1/5 deal.
Took a look. Yoshi didn’t have a single month at .900 in 2024 and only one in 2023 and those were sandwiched by really bad months in 500s and 600s.
For the Red Sox fans trying to pawn Yoshida off, consider what he would get in free agency if someone was even willing to give him 3 years.
I don’t think the Padres would even want him at 3/20. Heck 3/15 would be a stretch for them.
Hell earn 3/55.
That’s a lot of money to eat, without even getting assets like cease in a deal.
If Yoshida were a free agent this offseason, probably a 2/16. He’s an older Luis Arraez-lite. Arraez will be an interesting case after the season.
Arraez can play defense. Yoshi can’t.
Arraez can hit LHP. Yoshi can’t.
Arraez can throw. As of today Yoshi can’t.
Yoshi would be hard pressed to get a 2 year deal if he was a free agent. 1/8 is possible, but not probable for a platoon DH with little power.
Arraez has already demonstrated he can be a 3.5 war player when healthy. He’s still in his prime.
Yoshida hasn’t done anything.
I have been an advocate for a while that yoshidas roster spot is more valuable to the Sox than his production. If Anthony and Campbell are ready, they need that DH spot free.
Trade Yoshida and 10MM each year and try to get a prospect back that’s in a teams top 30.
His defense is abysmal and the Sox already have a full outfield.
I agree about Yoshi’s roster spot bring more valuable than his play. If all the Red Sox had to eat was $30 million of the $55 million he is owed I think he would already be gone. Breslow would have to send a really good prospect along with that $30 million to get anyone of note back for Yoshi.
Seems pretty clear that Padres aren’t going to move Cease except for a real overpay; any CBT concerns went out the window with the Pivetta signing.
Or a real overbay like Lyle
That is how it should be.
It is not an overpay.
Many teams need and want#1 starters.
#1 Starter increases their chance of making the playoffs and advancing.
It is like any purchase of goods or services that are in demand
and cannot be easily obtained elsewhere.
You pay the man/team or you gamble on your weaker hand
to make the playoffs and advance.
We see that Baltimore made the decision not to pay the last few years and have been knocked out in the 1st round 2 straight years.
If you are happy being Wild Card team and never advancing
with a great young core, then stay the course.
If you want a legitimate shot at advancing in the playoffs and maybe making and winning a World Series, then you pay up
and take your shot.
If not, don’t complain about what could have been.
Flags fly forever.
The Orioles paid up and got a #1 starter in Burnes.
I would love to see a trade involving Yoshi and Crone
That will only happen in your dreams!
Padres would be better off keeping Jake than taking that bad deal.
Nah not hurt enough for boso
Another Cease trade rumor. Sigh.
Buehler isn’t a guarantee but everyone knows it’s year 2 after the TJS come back you want. Buehler looked like he was putting it together in the end of the playoffs as with many TJS comeback stories it’s about control which Buehler looked like he was getting it back toward the end of season. Injuries are always an increased risk with pitchers. A like Buehler who was a young dominant Ace prior to injury with the comeback story in health last year and a normal off season after pitching roughly 90 innings last season (with roughly the same velocity avg. FB 95 opposed to 96 when he was 25 y/o and 95.5 in his best season at 27) I think Buehler may be the steal of the offseason.
Crotchet pitched 146 innings last season if you call 180-200 an inning limit… I call that an easily manageable full season.
This Cease trade doesn’t happen at least not early season. RS will never sell any of their top 3 or so prospects for a 1 year rental on Cease.
Red Sox get:
Dylan Cease
Padres get:
Wilyer Abreu
Masa Yoshida (Sox pay 27.5/55 mil remaining on contract)
Blaze Jordan
Padres prefer to shed payroll. Red Sox need to find someone else to dump Yoshida on.
Abreu, Jordan or someone equivalent, 1 of the controllable SP in Majors like Houck, Crawford and a low level pitching prospect is what Padres would probably take.
I doubt the RS pull the trigger.
Houck would never be moved on any 1 year rental.
Crawford you wouldn’t want right now, he’s been battling knee issues that, depending who you believe, either he wasn’t letting on were as bad as they are, or, the team mismanaged and delayed aggressive treatment. I vote for the former. Anyways, he probably won’t be starting the season, and, if he has issues that require surgery, you’re talking even longer.
Red sox are light on pitching and pitching prospects. It’d be hard to pry much loose, I wouldnt see more than one arm parting ways unless it was a guy who profiled as nothing more than middle relief.
Right now they’ve got a lot of mlb guys on the last year of multi year deals coming back from injuries, probably most about to exit as FA. But long term pitching they’re in short supply and likely to try holding onto.
Jsay, we know that won’t happen for multiple reasons. When Breslow reached out in December their GM asked for a package that included Mayer, Abreu, Fitts and another SP prospect we already traded for Crochet.
Yoshi is a liability in trade. He is a DH only who has little power and can’t hit LHP. Think about it this way. What kind of contract would he get if he was a free agent? 1/5? 1/6 maybe? That is the most we can expect other teams to take on of his contract. With Henry eating $12-13 million per year, including Yoshi in any trade still means we have to send more players to the other team.
If Devers thinks he had a good year defensively, that is all the more reason to move him to DH.
Red Sox’ Alex Cora reacts to Rafael Devers saying he won’t DH – masslive.com search.app/w34piC565GS8QJFn7