The Red Sox had their biggest offseason in years this winter, and after a failed pursuit of Juan Soto kicked things off in earnest by pulling off a massive trade with the White Sox where they sent multiple top prospects to Chicago in exchange for the club’s top left-handed pitcher. That Garrett Crochet deal naturally brought to mind the Chris Sale swap from nearly a decade ago, but one major difference between the two deals is the amount of team control remaining: Sale was locked up for three seasons when the Red Sox acquired him, while Crochet only has two years of team control remaining.
That shorter team control window could pose a problem for the Red Sox, given that their deep cache of impact, upper-level prospect talent is only just beginning to reach the major leagues. If Crochet doesn’t stay in Boston beyond the 2026 season, he may only overlap with top hitters like Roman Anthony, Kristian Campbell, and Marcelo Mayer for a year or so before the club will once again have a vacancy at the top of their rotation. Fortunately for fans in Boston, there seems to be mutual interest in an extension. Crochet spoke about the state of extension talks with the club last month and emphasized how appealing the idea of remaining in Boston long-term was to him just days after the club reportedly approached his camp about the possibility of an extension.
Of course, mutual interest in an extension won’t always lead to a deal and it’s also possible that Crochet’s feelings have shifted. He was asked about the extension possibility again last week, per Chris Cotillo of MassLive, and seemed a bit more open to taking his time: “I think that the long-term security is definitely something attractive. As players, we like to look out for our family first. But with last year being my first taste of starting, part of me also wants to see what I could do with the full season of innings workload. [I] was on a short leash. Part of me wants to see what I could do in a full season before, I suppose, locking myself into a certain bracket of player.”
Crochet and the club will still need to line up on what appropriate value for a deal would be, and that could be quite difficult given Crochet’s extremely unusual career path to this point. Drafted 11th overall by the White Sox in the 2020 draft despite the fact that he had spent most of his time in the SEC pitching out of the bullpen, Crochet was brought straight to the major leagues as a reliever and pitched to a phenomenal 2.54 ERA in 60 1/3 innings of work for Chicago from 2020 to 2021. At the time, the club appeared to be eyeing a rotation role for Crochet in 2022, but he underwent Tommy John surgery that April and did not pitch again in the majors until late in the 2023 season.
By that point, the White Sox had already begun rebuilding. That gave them little reason not to explore using Crochet out of the rotation, and so he stretched out over the winter and was tapped as the club’s Opening Day starter for his first career MLB start last year. The lefty was nothing short of brilliant in 32 starts last year, but nearly tripled his career-high workload with 146 innings of work. The White Sox carefully managed his innings throughout the season in an effort to keep him healthy, and he threw just 44 2/3 innings total over his final 14 starts, less than 3 1/3 innings per start. That lack of volume could raise some questions about Crochet’s ability to stay healthy while handling a traditional starter’s workload, particularly given that his ERA in the first half of the season was just 3.00 while that figured ballooned to 4.84 in the second half.
Those potential workload concerns could tamp down Boston’s willingness to offer Crochet a premium guarantee, even as his underlying numbers suggest a ceiling commensurate with the game’s very best starting pitchers. Crochet’s 2.69 FIP would’ve trailed only Cy Young award winners Chris Sale and Tarik Skubal if he had enough innings to qualify, and his eye-popping 35.1% strikeout rate led all starters who pitched even 20 innings last year. It’s also worth noting that Crochet won’t celebrate his 26th birthday until nearly halfway through the 2025 season, and that youth could help to ease some of Boston’s concerns about his longer-term outlook in terms of health and durability.
With so many competing factors to consider, it’s fair to argue that Crochet is one of the most difficult players to pin down in terms of value. Prior to last summer’s trade deadline, reporting indicated that Crochet may view Tyler Glasnow’s $136.5MM guarantee with the Dodgers as a target for extension talks although, as MLBTR’s Anthony Franco discussed in a post for Front Office subscribers back in August, Glasnow had six years of service time at the time of his deal with L.A. which could make it difficult for Crochet to reach those same heights. If that’s still Crochet’s asking price, it’s possible the Red Sox might prefer to play his first season under club control out and revisit negotiations later this year or next offseason. With that being said, a big season from Crochet would surely push his asking price up substantially. That figures to be especially true if he manages to stay healthy and qualify for the ERA title this year.
How do MLBTR readers think things will play out between Crochet and the Red Sox? Will they come together on an extension before Opening Day? Or will the Red Sox wait to see how Crochet performs with the club during his first season in Boston before making a decision? Have your say in the poll below:
This guy is going to fall apart by August
fred – It’s possible as all the red flags were there last year, but hopefully he stays healthy. First start is Sunday, can’t wait!!
There are so many red flags with Crochet. I didn’t realize he only pitched in relief while in college. So this guy has never pitched a full load, ever. And now he’s saying he wants to see how he holds up after pitching a full slate of innings so even he is unsure if he can stay healthy. RED FLAG CITY.
ISOB – I don’t read Crochet as reluctant to do an extension for fear he can’t make it as a starter. I read it as he knows how close to FA he is, and, saw the deals guys are getting.
My presumption is Breslow wants a discount to a price where Crochet feels he can come close as a FA reliever, and sees a massive markup as a young FA SP compared to that. In effect knowing a good showing would exponentially raise the value of the extension.
Which is why I have believed the Red Sox overpaid on that deal. Kyle Teel should never have been included in the trade as he could have easily replaced Connor Wong. This has five times the risk of the Chris Sale trade.
Let – They absolutely overpaid. Chicago knew Breslow was desperate for an ace but Henry didn’t want to spend for one. So they demanded Teel and the Red Sox gave in despite how much they needed him.
Cracks me up they spent on Bregman but didn’t keep Teel. Now they have awful catchers which is one of the most important positions on the field.
No matter how it all works out, just atrocious decision making by Boston.
I say it has 100% times the risk…….. The Red Sox won a World Series with Sale. Even though Sale had injuries the next several years, it is still a ‘win’ trade. The Red Sox accomplished the goal at least once during Sale’s time there.
There is risk involved with everything. The Red Sox can afford the risk involved with the Crochet trade after rebuilding the farm system. Their farm system was just ranked no. 1 in MLB after the Crochet trade by Baseball America.
It didn’t make sense to me for either team as the CWS already had a few catching prospects in their system and now Boston has virtually none. Teel was one of the rare breeds of catcher nowadays who was decent behind and at the plate.
Dickie – Catchers are very valuable these days because there are so few good ones, especially 2-way catchers.
Chicago will have no problem trading off some of those catching prospects for talent.
Quero is a terrible catcher but a very good hitter. He will end up as a 1B/DH.
No way he gets extended this spring. He’s really only been a starter for one year… w some injury time. If he comes out hot, they might talk, but I’d be surprised if they lock him up before opening day.
swan – As Nick did a great job of pointing out, it would be quite risky to extend him now. But the Red Sox have been known for making stupid decisions, so I wouldn’t put it past them.
Fever, I can see an extension IF Crochet doesn’t look to max out as if he’s been healthy and starting with results the whole time. He has big risks in my view and unless you really didn’t believe in the players given up, I would not have made the deal. Too much risk in my view. That said, Henry is about the perceived edge and will be all into extending him if he believes he’s getting a discount. I also am on record for not having extended Bello but I was glad they signed Ceddane and Whitlock. The jury is still out on them but so far my track record is not good
dewey – I have faith in you on this one my friend!
It’s way, way too risky. I say let’s see how he does this season, if he doesn’t do well or if he gets hurt then trade whatever prospects they’ve got left for Skubal and immediately extend him instead.
Not a bad idea but what about both? You got Crochet and if you wait until he proves himself, the price could double. If you believe in him to give up what they did, now is the time to extend him. Again, I wouldn’t have given up what they did but it’s done. Now move forward.
Dewey – It’s not about believing in Crochet’s talent, it’s about health concerns and endurance.
Fever, every single pitcher in baseball is a health concern now. They absolutely should extend him by opening day, because every single start he makes without an extension, the greater the chance he walks after giving up one of the biggest packages in franchise history for him. Regardless of the fact that he came into the league as a reliever, he is easily one of the best 25yo arms this team has ever had in generations. Even if he never throws 160ip in a season, if he can throw at least 100ip then he’s worth every penny as much as any other top starter. Just look at the money Closers are getting now to throw well under 100ip a year. They should also extend Anthony, Campbell and Mayer before OD in addition to Crochet – I firmly believe if you get at least 1 “steal of a discount” contract out of the 4 – then it’s still a great success, even if 3 of them fail. It’s just money, which means little in baseball now tbh.
I think they won’t see eye-to-eye on a deal, but maybe next offseason!
Elbow to elbow or knee to knee mayb
I voted yes but I’m sure I’ll be wrong. Red Sox do have a history of knee-jerk reactions, so I based it on those couple of instances.
Considering the photo of him, it would be elbow to knee
Rossie Greer, prefered…..
knitting!
And disarming assassins.
why- Rosie as Salathiel Harms on “Kojak” was money!
cootchie-koo, baby!
Hayzee,, I’m not going to steal your thunder but, you should tell the audience what your reference means. It’s a good call on your part!
I had the privilege of being in the congregation for one of Rosie’s sermons back in the early 90’s he was a visiting preacher.
Who’s Rosie?
Read above ISOB – Greer. Technically, he spelled it Rosey. I guess spell check or AI doesn’t know that though! It’s like every time I type “that” and it thinks I want “they”! Don’t get me started!
Angus and Malcom have said she a whole lot of woman…..
He was guarding Ethel Kennedy when RFK was shot and quickly disarmed the assassin.
No
Tell us how you really feel in so many words.
Extend him, I’m still trying to figure why they traded for him. Overrated, overhyped, nonsense. Ahahahahahaha!
Honestly, I think the Red Sox are better off not extending him. It comes down to four outcomes:
1) Extend him now and her has a great season – outcome, big win for the Red Sox, an ace pitcher for a slightly cheaper price… but let’s face it, not a huge one.
2) Extend him now and her has an/ok lousy season – outcome, loss of the Red Sox. Now you have a pitcher who you’re praying will have a bounce back year and hasn’t succumb to the the pressure of playing in Boston. But, you’re stuck with him.
3) No extension, he has a great season – outcome, still a win for the Red Sox though a more expensive one. You have good evidence he’ll be an ace and it’ll be worth it to pay him more in a year with another strong season under his belt.
4) No extension, he has an ok/lousy season – outcome, neutral. You have the sunk cost of the prospects and you still have him under control for a year to hope he can bounce back.
Sure, the first outcome is the best but it’s also riskier. Worst case scenario of not extending him is he doesn’t progress to being what everyone hopes and you’ve lost a trade but don’t have an albatross. So let him prove himself and then accept the fact that he’ll want an even better pay day.
Great post laying out the possible outcomes. Bottom line is Boston isn’t a small market team so they should have no real concerns about an extension after this year costing a little more if Crochet has a good season. Given how bad things turned out for the team the last time they rushed into giving out a long term, fairly high dollar, extension to a starter when Dombrowski was in a hurry to extend Sale it seems being a little more cautious makes a lot of sense.
Ken – Fantastic post!! So very true, an extra $50M or so over the life of an extension won’t hamstring the Red Sox …. unless they go cheap again.
He also extended Eovaldi and took a ton of heat for that, but that did work out.
Extend him. Starting pitching is EXPENSIVE. It’s worth a gamble on him for the strikeout rate alone. And averaging in the aberration years will lower the AAV of the agreement for tax purposes.
Youk – it’s not the massive savings you’d hope, and trickier than it sounds.
Two choices: you extend him immediately before seeing how he plays at all based on a half season track record, or, you wait and the new pact only includes next year, his last arb campaign.
If you incorporate *this* season into your pact, the AAV for *this* year skyrockets, and, you’re paying the first, maybe into second tier penalties on it.
Otherwise, you’re just mixing the final arb year into your presumably slightly discounted market rate FA years. If we guess he’s in line for a $7-9m final trip through arb as a base of any deal, how much savings are you really seeing in the later years of AAV? Maybe 2m? Or 3? Tops?
The risk to the team doesn’t get offset enough on a 2-3m aav savings on the contract to really rush things
GA truly one of the best analytical baseball minds we have here in the MLBTR comment section, glad to have you…always a good read.
Thank you ISOB. I’m just a simple fan of the game, and thankful I can occasionally cut through the chemo brain fog well enough to get my ideas out clearly.
It’s everyone here who chooses to talk about our great game – from the new fans that are just learning about it to the jaded longtime grizzled vets – that make this site as great as it is IMO.
If the player is willing to negotiate into the season and signs an extension in late April the AAV of the extension counts towards the following season. I have heard different dates mentioned and I think that has to do when opening day is scheduled.
I think he will be a Red Sox for the rest of his career but no shot he will get a extension this spring
nash – I get what you did there ….. you’re expecting a short career.
Well played, sir!
He’s a really good pitcher and has the potential to be a great one but he’s not nearly established enough to command a huge, lengthy contract.
Balls – Well said!
Speaking of huge, lengthy extensions ……heheh ….. the baseball world has been speaking up on behalf of Devers.
Jim Bowden said Devers should play third base.
Lou Merloni went even further and said Devers should start at third base because it’s their best defensive lineup.
David Ortiz said Devers being the best player on the team means he deserves to stay at third base.
So much controversy unnecessarily created by management’s awful handling of this situation. It’s good to see lots of high profile baseball figures backing Devers because they are looking at the big picture.
And there’s still a general feeling he could be traded, possibly back to Dombrowski’s Phillies.
Fever – it’s important to note that guys sometimes have an alternate agenda for where they throw their support, and, have been wrong in the past.
Remember when Ortiz was also so bullish on Panda?
I’d also question what the restraints were qualifying Merloni’s opinion, and, which players he said needed to be somewhere on the lineup card. Because the Red Sox strongest defensive lineup certainly sees both Yoshida and Devers not out on the field playing defense, and, I’m not sure how that can be argued against with a straight face.
I know you support Devers, and that’s fine. He’s one piece I’m willing to just say we disagree on his best role.
But I also think the only reason he’s stayed where he has was because of wanting his bat in the lineup, and, other positions being blocked. Had JDM not been in boston I don’t think Devers would’ve had the chance to stick where he has, and, it’s not like there was anywhere else his body type/skillset really plays except 1b/dh, which, also had numerous pieces for without a clear upside to shuffling things around at the time.
I just wish Devers had half the professionalism we see out of Bogey who did what SD asked for the good of the team, clearly acknowledging Kim was a better defender than he and graciously moving. Then circumstances changed and he moved back. But he wasn’t selfish. Raffy could learn a thing or three….
GaSox – Sure sometimes there’s an alternate agenda, like Cora insisting on signing Bregman because they are BFF. If anybody else is managing the Red Sox, they don’t sign Bregman.
But Jim Bowden wouldn’t have an alternate agenda, he has no ties to Devers.
Loumer and Papi both work for the Red Sox, and yet they STILL supported Devers. What does that tell ya?
I’m not sure what you believe they’ve been wrong about in the past, but their decision to not toe the company line despite their involvement with the team means they have good reason to feel how they do.
With Panda you’re talking about predicting performance. With Devers you’re talking about the overall big picture impact on the team if he is immediately moved to fulltime DH. Not the same thing there.
I didn’t read Loumer’s detailed reasoning, if he even divulged it all, but here’s what I would guess:
1) He thinks 2B defense would be stronger with Bregman than with Grissom or Campbell. Hard to argue against, right? And 2B is a more important position than 3B, therefore it’s better to have the stronger defense at 2B.
2) He thinks Devers to fulltime DH would force Yoshida to play a lot of LF …. now I KNOW you would agree Yoshida in LF would weaken the outfield defense a lot! And please don’t respond by saying Yoshida will be released …. that just ain’t happening anytime soon.
So based on those two facts, Loumer has good reason to feel how he feels. And he’s one of the most respected Red Sox guys, he always speaks his mind even if the team doesn’t like it.
To clarify, all I’m saying is if they force Devers to fulltime DH and he remains very unhappy about it, then it’s best to trade him. I will always put the team first over any player. I love Mookie but I didn’t switch allegiances from the Red Sox to the Dodgers, did I? And I did say Devers is on the immature side and hasn’t been as dedicated to his defense as he should have been …. so I’m far from a Devers suckup like Casas is ;O)
Here’s the bottom line and if Cora hears me say it tomorrow I don’t care …. at least three years ago he should have told Devers “You have to improve your defense, if you don’t improve by the end of the year then you may be moved to first base or DH”.
That’s all that needed to be done! And it should have been done BEFORE they gave him the contract extension.
That’s how it works 99% of the time with every employee. If they are underperforming, you don’t go and blindside them by taking his job away from him without warning ….. you give him a warning to improve or else. How does he not understand this???
And please don’t try to compare Xander. He was asked to move to 2B, both 2B and SS are interchangeable middle infield positions …. not that difficult to switch.
Going from corner infield to DH, now THAT is a major demotion which is unheard of for players who just signed a massive 10-year extension.
Also Xander was the new guy, he didn’t have an 11-year history with the Padres.
Jim Bowden is a criminal who for caught stealing signing bonuses and a lazy idiot when it comes to discussing baseball.
Fever, again, this is one of those where I’m happy to disagree and conforted in some ways that we do have actual differences of opinion on these minor things, otherwise I’d question my sanity and if I had a split persona posting under two user names!
In the past Henry sacrificed a return on Mookie to unload Price. The money left they expected to eat on him is what matters, it’s what the decision was made based on – not the fact they actually saved via covid.
Anyways, they were willing to eat nearly as much on Price… or even Panda… as they could eat on Yoshida. Made easier because it was the prior GM making the signing, not your current regime asking to eat the dollars on their own mistake.
If you remove Yoshida from the mix, the entire lineup improves defensively. And I suspect by more than what they gain from him batting…
Devers, you assume he was never told previously work on the defense or else. There was a time we heard they were supposedly really focusing on improving that. Then we heard less about it due to the train really departing the rails near the end of Bloom. Devers could be allowed to, as I said previously, compete with bregman for 3B and get reps at 1B. While Bregman competes at 3B and gets Reps at 2B. And Campbell gets reps at 2B and SS. And Grissom tries at 2B.
Shake up all the pieces. Open up the position battles. If campbell can handle SS, we KNOW Story can be a 2B. Maybe your best alignment is this:
DH – casas/devers
C – Wong/backup
1B – casas/devers
2B – story
SS – Campbell
3B – Bregman
OF – Duran/Rafaela/Abreu (Ref #4, Anthony in waiting)
I could repeat your argument about 2B/SS vs 3B/1B but you know it already. I don’t see anything as any blindside, there’s been talk all over the place for years about Devers eventually moving off 3B… just nobody with the stones to do what’s needed.
End of the day, Yoshida is the lineup logjam you eat money to move, not devers, in any trade.
GaSox, exactly. Eat $40 million of Yoshida’s remaining salary owed and move Devers to DH.
GaSox – Differences of opinion makes things more interesting!
Price had to go. He was no longer productive and he was very disruptive such as his fight with Eck which was the last straw. Remember Ortiz couldn’t stand Price before he joined the Red Sox, then Ortiz did his best to act professional around him.
It’s the same thing with Panda, he was no longer productive. THAT is when you eat huge amounts of money, not just because the player had been hurt and he is forced out of a position.
On top of that, it sounds like you believe Henry is back to his 2003-2019 spending? I wouldn’t make that assumption .Last year’s financials were not good and this year’s revenue wasn’t looking so hot either, I always said when the numbers look bad they will start spending again. But spending to the first threshold is very different than being a Top 2 or Top 3 payroll, which I just can’t see happening.
You know the odds of Yoshida becoming at least a .900 OPS hitter are pretty good if he’s healthy, right?
It’s bad enough paying players to NOT play for the Red Sox, it’s even worse to pay players to play for other teams. It was an embarrassment when the Sox paid $17M of Sale’s salary, and you want them to pay nearly $56M of Yoshida’s salary too? Good grief!
I tell you what, if Yoshida is released by Opening Day I’ll do something I’ve never done before …. I’ll change my handle to whatever you prefer ;O)
As for Devers, “talk all over the place” would be fans and media …. not Cora or anybody in the Red Sox front office. And certainly not for it to happen after just one year of the extension.
I know Devers is a sensitive topic for you, I think we are at a point where we should just wait and see what plays out. I agree with you that Devers’ health could force him to DH or the IL which makes everything a moot point.
Time will tell, we will know in 5 weeks.
Yoshida won’t be playing yet in 5 weeks. Odds are he will never be as good during the rest of his contract as he was his first 2 years here after that surgery.
Lou Merloni, my favorite idiot.
If Devers plays 3B, the Red Sox investment in Bregman is flushed down the toilet.
Devers is worth more to the team playing DH than 3B regardless of who else plays 3B. The team wins more games just by moving him off 3B. Add in 4+ wins for Bregman and it’s a 5.7-6.2 win swing.
100%. As fellow WSox fan, believe he is the real deal and stepped up after insisting strongly he is a “starter” ahead of getting the shot.
RSox have deep pockets to keep him motivated by not extending and be more than glad to pay him greater price tag to agree midseason if/when he backs it up.
There is no controversy in the Red Sox clubhouse about third base.
“Then, when asked how the Red Sox were reacting internally to the discussion surrounding the third base position, Bregman severely downplayed the controversy.
“We’re not even talking about it,” Bregman said. “I think everybody on the team just wants to win.”
si.com/mlb/red-sox/boston-red-sox-news/red-sox-s-a…
The media wants a controversy to get clicks and trolls will troll.
Suit, I’m hoping they all come together in the clubhouse and see how everyone shakes out and who is ready for the mlb jump breaking camp. Then decide based on what gives everyone the best shot at winning games.
If a youngin forces the issue at 2B, it’s easier to move Bregman to 3B and bounce Devers.
GA: Agreed. We need to see if Campbell or Grissom can win the second base job in camp and that will likely tell us where Bregman will play.
If the team wants to win then Bregman will be the opening day 3B
I would like to a second full season as a starter and i hope Breslow does too before committing big money to him
Rsox – Exactly! Nobody would buy an expensive new car without taking it for a test drive, now would they?
Let’s see him put up a sub-3 ERA over at least 180 innings, THEN give him the extension.
I think it’s the wise approach. Since ‘we’ believe Crochet’s holding out for top-shelf money, if he has another great season then his price won’t really have gone up that much. Next to no chance he signs a discount, so ride out ’25 and reassess in 9 months. Cheers gents
Even if he puts up a 3.4 ERA but does so over 180+ innings he’s likely to get more than he’d sign for now. Dylan Cease has only had one season with an ERA under 3 and he’s likely to get a rather hefty co tract after this coming season.
I hate these comparisons of Crochet to Sale. Sale was a well established top-5 Cy Young contender for years at the time of the trade. Crochet had one good season. It’s maddening
man – Exactly! In fact Crochet has had only 10 good starts in his career, it’s an insult to Chris Sale when people compare Crochet to him. It’s fine to compare their stuff, but that’s it.
One great half season*
As a Red Sox fan I hope he does well.
On the other hand, I am very concerned about his ability to pitch like an ace across a full season. I hope he proves me wrong, at least for these next two seasons.
Sale’s health seemed in question after he missed time in 2018 due to left shoulder inflammation. I was surprised Dombrowski signed him to the extension after 2018 instead of seeing how he pitched in 2019.
Suit, that was classic DD though. He makes up his mind and moves quickly, and authoritatively/decisively.
In his mind he wanted sale as a long term piece, and wasn’t worried about a down year mixed in at some point.
The fact the down year was mismanaged by delaying surgery was one complication, but, nobody expected the bike riding injury or the comebacker breaking a bone. Those were two seasons of freak injuries and bad luck.
Really, the sale deal should’ve only had one lost season that everyone in the industry kept saying not if, when, due to sale’s body type and delivery motion.
Shrug. I’m just excited that baseball is back. It felt like last season ended too soon with the way the Mariners were playing.
Question for the TR team: why not discuss who his agent(s) are at CAA and their track record?
No, they are still mourning the Bobby Dalbec flop!
And fat, bald Uke, too!
Take the extension offer before you break. That way the Sox can pay for your TJ rehab.
I said no, but as a Boston fan, if they do sign him I’d prefer it to be to a deal similar to Bregman. Short term with a high AAV.
No need to get caught in another Chris Sale contract and Sale had a vastly stronger track record both in health and statistics.
He’s going to bet on himself as he should with his talent.