The Cardinals attempted to kick off a youth movement this winter, letting veteran players like Paul Goldschmidt, Kyle Gibson, and Andrew Kittredge depart in free agency while attempting to trade other veteran pieces under longer-term team control. Unfortunately for St. Louis, none of those trades came to pass: Willson Contreras and Sonny Gray both declined to waive their no-trade clauses, while Nolan Arenado expressed a willingness to waive his for certain clubs but no deal ultimately came together.
That’s left the club looking very similar to last year, but even with a largely identical roster there remain some areas where the club can stick to its initial plans. Contreras has been a catcher for his entire career, but entered 2025 working out at first base ahead of what’s expected to be a full-time move away from his duties behind the plate this year. With Contreras replacing Goldschmidt at first, that opens up the catcher position for a young player to step in and claim the starting catcher job as their own. The Cardinals have two candidates for that role: Ivan Herrera and Pedro Pages.
Herrera, 24, has already spent parts of three seasons in the majors after several years as a well-regarded catching prospect. His cups of coffee in the majors during the 2022 and ’23 seasons were limited to just 24 games and 66 plate appearances, but he got a more robust look at the big league level this past year and made the most of the opportunity. In 259 trips to the plate across 72 games last year, Herrera hit a strong .301/.372/.428 (127 wRC+). He showed decent pop and speed with five homers and five stolen bases in roughly a third of a full season’s slate of at-bats and complemented that with a solid understanding of the strike zone, as shown through his 20.5% strikeout rate and 9.7% walk rate.
A massive .370 BABIP is unlikely to be repeated over a full season, but his solid 8.9% barrel rate and the aforementioned plate discipline numbers suggest Herrera has the bat to be a solid hitter in the majors, and perhaps even well above average for the catcher position. Herrera has been an average to below average defender behind the plate to this point in his MLB career, however, with a lackluster arm that he pairs with average framing and blocking numbers. For a Cardinals club that struggled to make the adjustment from defensive stalwart Yadier Molina to bat-first slugger Contreras behind the plate, it would hardly be a surprise if the club preferred a more robust defender.
Enter Pages. The 26-year-old made his MLB debut with the Cardinals last year and got nearly the same amount of playing time as Herrera did with 68 games and 218 plate appearances. While he was similarly below average to Herrera when it came to throwing out runners in 2024, his pop time to second base was in the 75th percentile of catchers last year according to Statcast, while Herrera’s was in just the 27th percentile. That suggests more room to grow when it comes to controlling the running game, and Pages also rates out as a better pitch framer than Herrera with identical blocking numbers.
Those stronger defensive numbers could make Pages an attractive option as a regular behind the plate to a Cardinals organization that has long appreciated the value of a strong glove, but his offensive numbers could hold him back. Pages pales in comparison to Herrera as a hitter, with a slash line of just .238/.281/.376 (83 wRC+) last season. While Pages showed impressive power with seven homers in just 218 trips to the plate, he also struck out at an elevated 26.6% clip while walking only 6% of the time. That home run total also might be misleading about his overall offensive skill set, as well. Even as Pages managed to send more balls over the fence than Herrera did in fewer plate appearances, his 4.8% barrel rate was dwarfed by Herrera’s aforementioned 8.9% barrel rate, indicating that it was actually Herrera who made the strongest contact more consistently last year.
Of course, it’s also possible that the Cardinals could choose not to commit to either youngster as a true starter behind the plate, instead operating on a timeshare that’s closer to 50-50. Stepping out of the traditional starter-and-backup setup behind the plate could afford both players the opportunity to assert themselves as regulars, allowing performance to more naturally dictate playing time over the course of the season and beyond. That might come at the expense of comfort for the club’s pitchers if who is behind the plate is frequently changing on a day-to-day basis, but one possible solution to that would be to have each catcher work with a certain group of starting pitchers in order to ease their defensive burden from a planning and game-calling perspective while also affording those starters some level of consistency regarding who their battery mate is.
How do MLBTR readers think the Cardinals will approach the catcher position this year? Will they prioritize Herrera’s higher ceiling and better bat, Pages’s stronger defensive reputation, or settle for a timeshare involving both youngsters? Have your say in the poll below:
It’s time to see what Herrera can do with a full suite of games. They’ll obviously split time but Cards have to see what they really have in Herrera before moving on.
Herrera can’t get better defensively unless he plays in game situations.
But—- he is a contact hitter!!! Leave his hitting Alone and let him start!!!
Maybe they should have pitchers try both catchers and see who the pitchers are more comfortable with?
Jimmy Crooks is waiting in the wings. I think he’s the best of the three. The Cardinals need Herrera to prove his trade value.
Ya, I think the catching situation will work itself out without much problem. I’m more concerned with who is backing up SS and CF. I assume they won’t carry Siani and Scott on the ML roster. I also assume they want Saggese to get regular at bats. That leaves Donovan as the SS when Winn needs a day off. That’s not a great option.
Another possibility would be letting Saggese or possibly Fermin try their hand in CF this spring. Serving as a RH compliment to Siani/Scott and backing up the middle infield would probably give Saggese enough playing time to justify keeping him in the bigs.
I’m worried about getting any offense out of center. I also don’t see an acceptable backup at shortstop.
I’m worried about the offense.
Winn will play ss almost all the time. Donovan can play short 5 times a year. Dont waste a roster spot. Noot should play center. that gets all the starters hitting in the game.
Edman …. ups sorry
Spelling Winn is only 10 games a year. I’m not going to mention an injury.
Should probably be 15. He was visibly worn down by the end of last season. But you’re right, it’s not a lot. That’s why his backup needs to be utilized somewhere else. Brandon Crawford rotted on the bench last season.
Correct you are. I’m overly optimistic.
No such thing!
He put on 10 lbs of muscle in the winter so he can last longer. Also managing his back much better.
“Somehow, Yadier Molina has returned…”
No.
MLBTR is using the wrong Herrera Baseball Reference link. Ivan Herrera pulls up an NCAA catcher. Linking Iván Herrera would pull up the Cardinals catcher from Panama.
Contreras
Catchy Catcherson
Tom Nieto is making his comeback. Very affordable for the team..
Hey! Neato!
While players are well within there rights not to waive NTC the team is well within its rights to bench the player and let them rot on the bench for the full year and that pretty much retires said player. And don’t give me oh free agents won’t sign bs first of all you don’t want your team to sign free agents anyway, that’s how you get in these non winning situations to begin with.
Retaliation is a good reason for unions to file grievances. Remember, owners do like their anti-trust exemption
By the way, none of the Cardinals players with NTCs mentioned in the article deserve to be benched.
You are correct.
Why in the world would the cards bench anyone who wouldn’t waive their NTC? That would be total incompetence.
And while the said bench players are rotting away for the full year, the team has them on their 26 man roster and are paying them their full paycheck. Arenado 32M, Gray 25M and Contreras 18M totalling 75M just for 2025 and 3 spots on the roster. You would make a great GM!
So you would bench $75 million worth of players out of spite because they refused to waive their no trade clauses to save *you* money? You would not last very long as a GM…
That shows how bad the teams leadership has been. That’s not a $75 million a year trio.
Pretty sure that would lead to a huge MLB PA grievance and even potential banishments from the game.
There’s an article that Contreras reported to camp more muscular with hopes that the first base switch will allow him to provide more power and offense. I suspect he wants a better contract before he approves a trade. He may get his wish if he hits better before the deadline.
Where’s the poll about what catcher sucks more for the Cubs….
Amaya
Kelly
I keep thinking the Cubbies are strong but people keep showing potential weakness. Maybe I should check out the team closer.
Their starting pitching is definitely a question mark for sure. A lot of #2, #3 type guys.
Great 5 yr signing of Contreras.
Good hitter, good clubhouse guy.
Herrera will catch against RHP. Pages will catch against lefties with Herrera serving as the primary DH. That’s not a hard rule, but it should serve as a general guideline.
When the Cardinals acquired Contreras, they found that his defense was not where they wanted it to be. How did they not know about his defense behind the plate? Was it more about obtaining a good offensive player from a division rival? I would like to see Mo’s response to these questions. I like Willson and hope they don’t jerk him around again at first. I am not holding my breath.
WRONG Ivan Herrera!!! This website can be soooo inaccurate!
I’m pretty sure MLB Trade Rumors uses Sport Reference’s auto-linker. In my personal experience, it ended up being easier to link it myself. However, I understand why they use it. I don’t/didn’t have to link every single player mentioned in the article like they seem to do here.
Herrera can hit! But his defense is a work in progress. If Contreras wasn’t on the team Crooks would probably make the roster, but 4 catcher’s is one too many. One of the many questions to be answered in 2025!
I’m so incredibly high on Herrera. I think he is the catcher of the future as long as reports are accurate that his defensive game is still making a lot of progress. It seems like his game management is decent. A lot of catchers in the system that seem to project pretty well though, so we’ll see. I think Herrera has the advantage for now.
Signing Contreras to that contract to simply be a mediocre first baseman is pure incompetence by this front office. Still another $61 million to be paid out….
Lmao. Mediocre first baseman don’t hit 36% above league average.
So many contradictions it’s nauseating
Whatever the correct answer is, the Cardinals FO and Ownership will waffle on the decision, and then almost certainly make the wrong one.
So sad. So true.
McCarver
No one. The Cardinals staff will strikeout all batters they face.
No need for a catcher. Just put up a net or board to protect the ump. Make the batter throw the ball to the pitcher
My vote goes to Pedro (My Back) Pages. I wanted to support the underdog.
Underdog is on the way. Here to save the day.
Polly Purebread’s hero.
It should be Herrera but unfortunately pages will probably get in 70-80 games because they’re in love with his defense
Sawatski
If Herrera doesn’t get about 115 games behind the plate it’s a huge mistake
My guy is far behind!
youtube.com/watch?v=kHL5iQJLvNU
Tony Pena was my guy.
It’s gonna be Bengie Molina
Loved Tony Pena.
Wait and see if the pitchers complain about Herrera’s defense like they did with Contreras. If they don’t, ask why not?
Darrell Porter is not walking through that door!!
And if he walks through that door, well….it’ll really be something.
Simba!
The problem is that the manager seems to prefer Pages for defense. This fan wants to see more offense though s combination is the best.
Go Herrera!!
4th option their the cards who cares
Yay, MLB trade rumors finally notices Pedro Pages. He’s much better defensively and a superior game-caller.
Another position or trade material when Crooks arrives. A 127 wRC sounds good in the lineup. If he got 500+ AB, he would be golden in a trade.
Ivan Herrara has a monster swing when he’s confident. He looked like Albert Pujols at the plate for 1 week last April. Then Ollie Marmol thought it’d be best to bench him the rest of the season so he couldn’t learn and got zero reps.
Ollie Marmol and Commissioner Manfred should be sent over Niagara Falls in the same barrel together and let us watch.,,
Double thumbs up.
Erik Pappas.
Crooks is the best option. If he coming into camp hitting like he finished last year, he should be the starter. Pretty much the best of both worlds between Pages and Herrera. Pages shoud get relegated to the traditional back up catcher and get 5th starter and getaway games. Leaving Herrera to be traded. Positionless catchers don’t last long in the league.
If they hit they do!
Steve Swisher
William Contreras. Where’s Molina when you need him.