The Mets undeniably made the single biggest splash of the entire winter when they brought superstar slugger Juan Soto into the fold on a record-shattering $765MM deal back in December. Along with the club’s reunion with Pete Alonso and some complementary additions like Jesse Winker and Jose Siri, the Mets’ offense appears to be in a very strong place as they look to build off their NLCS appearance last year.
The same cannot be said for the rotation. Despite rumors that connected the Mets to top starters on the trade market like Garrett Crochet and Dylan Cease (as well as plenty of early speculation about the Mets as potential suitors for Corbin Burnes and Max Fried), the club took a far more measured approach to its starting staff. With Kodai Senga and David Peterson already in the fold, the club reunited with southpaw Sean Manaea in free agency while bringing in Clay Holmes, Frankie Montas, and Griffin Canning to replace Luis Severino, Jose Quintana, and Joey Lucchesi on the depth chart.
It’s an interesting group of names, and it’s not hard to see the potential upside in those moves. Holmes becomes the latest well-regarded reliever to try his hand at starting, and success stories like Crochet, Seth Lugo, and Reynaldo Lopez offer a tantalizing glimpse at what Holmes could provide the Mets with should the move work out. Meanwhile, Montas was a well-regarded No. 2 starter as recently as three years ago, and Canning is just one year removed from being a solid back-of-the-rotation arm for the Angels.
Still, there’s plenty of very real risk involved with each of the club’s additions. Holmes could instead follow in the footsteps of less-successful rotation converts like Jordan Hicks or even A.J. Puk. Montas has struggled to stay healthy in recent years and struggled to remain effective even when he is on the mound, and Canning was arguably the single worst qualified starter in baseball last year. Even Manaea is coming off a career year that he may not be able to repeat in his age-33 season this year.
The question marks in the rotation came to a head earlier this week when it was revealed that Montas is currently suffering from a lat strain that was expected to shut him down for six to eight weeks. The veteran righty has since suggested that he’s set for just four to six weeks of no-throw, but that still suggests he may not have even begun throwing when Opening Day rolls around, at which point he’ll still need to make up for the lost preparation time caused by him missing a full spring training. It’s not at all unreasonable to suggest that the Mets will be without Montas until sometime in May. If they still intend to use a six-man rotation, that would likely mean that Senga, Manaea, Peterson, and Holmes will be joined by Canning and Paul Blackburn.
Naturally, questions have arisen about whether the club should make another addition. (MLBTR’s Steve Adams argued that the Mets hadn’t done enough with the rotation even before news of Montas’ injury.) A number of veteran starters are still available in free agency, including four who made MLBTR’s Top 50 free agents list at the outset of the offseason. A recent MLBTR Poll suggested that fans views Quintana as the best of those remaining arms, though the Mets have not been involved in his market despite interest in a reunion from the veteran southpaw’s side.
Even if the Mets aren’t enamored with the possibility of a Quintana reunion, both Andrew Heaney and Spencer Turnbull are still available and could be used either in the rotation or out of the bullpen depending on the club’s needs, affording the Mets flexibility when Montas returns. Kyle Gibson and Lance Lynn are among the other veteran arms still available in free agency.
On the other hand, it’s worth noting that the club’s rotation already runs six names deep even without Montas. Neither Canning nor Blackburn can be optioned — both have five-plus years of service — but righties Tylor Megill and Justin Hagenman are both on the 40-man roster and likely ticketed for Triple-A to begin the season. Top prospect Brandon Sproat will likely make his debut at some point in 2025 as well.
If the Mets don’t add anyone right now, they could look for rotation help closer to the trade deadline if it proves necessary. That would allow them to find out more about their offseason rolls of the dice on guys like Montas and Canning before deciding if they need another arm. There will also likely be a larger supply of arms available in July, as the number of sellers will increase relative to spring training, where optimism abounds throughout the league. Perhaps the risk of having to surrender an exciting young piece from their farm system to add an arm this summer makes adding depth now for nothing but money a more attractive option. Each side has its pros and cons.
Where do MLBTR readers stand on the issue? Are the Mets too light on talent in the rotation to compete with the Braves and Phillies for the NL East crown this year without another arm? Or should they stick with their internal options to open the season and reassess their starting depth at the trade deadline this summer? Have your say in the poll below:
Go get Matz or Fedde from the Cardinals!
or Cease!
To exist?
Mets get a starter, and the Padres no long occupy space on this plane of existence? seems lopsided
I’m thinking there might be a Mets/Taijuan Walker reunion in the near future! So exciting!
The first of its kind trade proposal: with the Yankees; in exchange for Marcus Stroman, the Yankees pick up the remainder of Bobby Bonilla’s deferrals that run until 2035.
The MLB deferrals market will be kinda like the crypto market – a place where gullible teams can go to get fleeced by shady teams.
Bart: Dead on!
I’ll drive Steven Matz to the airport if he needs a ride.
Why would they want Matz back, he was one of their discards a while back, same a Taijuan Walker and Marcus Stroman…
Wheeler was also one of their discards.
Actually not, was out bid at the time due to an inept front office
Brodie Van Wagenen – Wheeler was given a QO, he replaced Zack Wheeler with Marcus Stroman…
I don’t blame you, he still gives up too many home runs.
They have depth, but a strong front of the rotation starter wouldn’t hurt
It could if it takes Sproat and Williams + more to get it
They should sign Heaney if they can’t get a TOR like Cease
Not an upgrade. You don’t sign another back-end SP to a guaranteed major league deal without any options that will cost a 110% tax hit.
This is a lateral move.
If they couldn’t get Cease, I said, but yeah, I didn’t factor in the tax hit. Heaney just signed with Pittsburgh anyway.
Especially when nobody knows if Holmes will work out as a SP and Montas will undoubtedly spend time on the IL at some point.
we have a nice and shiny Tyler Anderson you can have for Baty
I’d help you with Matz, but I’ve been taking Javy Baez to the airport all day. But, some way, somehow he keeps finding his way back and I’ve got to start all over again.
They need one, but they need a top half of the rotation arm. They don’t need another No. 4 or 5. They have plenty of arms to fill out a 6 man rotation even without Montas. The issue isn’t depth. The issue is the quality of the arms in the top half of the rotation. If they can get a quality No. 1-3, go for it. But don’t just add another No. 4-5 starter.
Yeah I thought it was super weird that they would pay Juan Soto 765m and not add higher end arms to the mix. Burnes and Snell combined cost 45% of what Soto got factoring in Snell’s deferrals.
Paying 42m/yr for Manaea and Mantas didn’t seem great at the time and less so now with Mantas hurt.
What does Soto’s contract have to do with Snell and Burnes?
Burnes wanted to go to Arizona, he wasn’t going anywhere else.
Snell wanted too many years for a 32 year old streaky pitcher and Stearns is risk-averse regarding starting pitching.
It just seemed strange to land the biggest free agent bat ever, at least by what they paid and then cap the ceiling on their rotation arms.
If money couldn’t lure Burnes or Snell, then there other options as well like Fried, Flaherty or Evoladi that would have been a lot nicer to pair with Manaea then Montas.
Crazy Flaherty and Montas got the same total guarantee. A trade for Jesus Luzardo would have been better too.
Not the end of the world, I imagine they will look to upgrade the rotation in season via trade.
Soto’s contract puts them into the highest tax bracket, therefore they want to avoid overspending on pitching because they’re paying 110% in taxes now.
I believe the logic was: try to get the most inning for the fewest dollars and to avoid bidding wars.
I agree Flaherty would’ve been better, and also acknowledge Stearns might’ve had his first major miscalculation with Montas…. but it’s a bit revisionist to say they should’ve gotten Eovaldi or Flaherty because they were signed weeks (maybe months) after Montas.
One in the hand is with two in the bush.
The Mets would have had to significantly overpay to get Burnes to sign. He turned down higher offers from Toronto and San Fran. Not to mention you are givng up more draft capital by signing a second FA with a QO tagged.
The Mets were able to sign Manaea on a discount by lowering the NPV with deferrals. He had higher offers from other teams. And they only have to commit 3 years.
Stearns forecasted the pitching market perfectly. Montas injuring his lat doesn’t change that. This is hindsight 20/20.
It just doesn’t look like a great rotation with what, a 300m payroll.
Heck it wouldn’t be all that shocking if their starters put up less collective WAR then 3 other teams in their own divison. An Alcantra led Marlins team isn’t one to totally dismiss. Braves and Phillies are the top 2 pitching staffs in baseball by fWAR over the past 3 seasons.
I wouldn’t look at Stearns work in the rotation and call him some kind of genius.
“I wouldn’t look at Stearns work in the rotation and call him some kind of genius.”
Ok great he’s not a genius but he’s acquired the biggest contract in sports history without ballooning the budget, built a good line up, built a good bullpen and redesigned the analytics, coaching and scouting/development but you’re saying he’s deficient because we don’t have the best starting rotation in the division? It’s been 12 months since he took over…
Paying for top end starting pitching is probably the riskiest investment in the economics of baseball. Stearns has always built his pitching staffs from a volume approach and it usually ends up working and it ends up proving doubters like you wrong. This will happen again this season with a breakout of Clay Holmes.
Once you are past the 4th tax threshold, you have to be extremely cautious to leave room for adding salary at the deadline. It’s possible that starters with expiring contracts like Cease, King and Valdez will be available for trade. Those teams don’t want to just the lose them for nothing. He’s waiting for the right opportunity to add a TOR SP. Investing long-term for Burnes and Snell is not the right approach for the Mets. It’s just not. Especially when both those guys didn’t want to be on the East Coast at this point in their careers. Why overpay for that?
You aren’t even considering that a top 50 prospect like Sproat who is already 24 will be in the rotation at some point will be up this season.
And pitching staffs are always in flux. You and I both know that the rotation will look different in July. Roster building doesn’t end in March. You can keep building. And Alcantara is recovering from TJ surgery. The Marlins are going to manage his innings very carefully and they will probably end up trading him soon.
Trading for starters with multiple years of control has done the Padres wonders with the likes of Snell, Darvish, Musgrove, Cease and King. They parted with tons of prospects to land most of those guys and are still waiting for any of them to produce at major league level.
Seems like Stearns is doing some prospect hugging when cashing in some of their good and maybe not even their best prospects to land some high upside arms that don’t cost 20-30m a year would be very beneficial.
Guy, they are going to have to end up trading one of King or Cease soon because they are going to lose him in FA. The Padres are completely handcuffed from a payroll standpoint which is why they did nothing this offseason. This what Stearns doesn’t want to d0. He doesn’t want to spend irresponsibly is which what you are suggesting he does. The Bogarets contract, Cronenworth contracts are disasters that are freezing their roster flexibility.
Stearns is not “hugging” prospects. You want him to overpay him rental. The Padres have more leverage right now. He’s waiting until the season starts where the Padres will eventually be forced to trade him. They don’t have to trade in February.
You don’t think Preller isn’t perfectly fine letting them walk in free agency and collecting a pick especially if they are in a playoff spot at the deadline? He did that same thing recently with Blake Snell.
Preller doesn’t really ever trade vets for prospects, on a rare occasion he will, but the dude that is the most willing GM/POBO in the game to trade prospects isn’t the type to worry about turning vets into prospects just because they’re soon to be free agents. He’d rather get them in the draft or as international free agents.
I look at the Mets and I see 2 long term fixtures in the outfield and 3 in the infield as well as a long term catcher. They have a lot of positional prospects that don’t really have future spots for most of them.
It would seem prudent to identify the ones you think are the best or most likely to become above average big leaguers and deal some of the others while they still have prospect appeal (i.e value).
If I were the Mets I would be going hard after Sandy Alcantara this summer or another arm that would clearly be their ace. The Marlins are a great trade partner as they love prospects and 3 or 4 good ones might just do it.
It makes zero sense for the Padres to deal one or their top starters to the Mets considering they’re going to be one of their biggest competitors for a wild card spot. It also makes zero sense for them to deal an arm that they clearly can’t move and still compete.
I don’t think you can sign Soto for 51m/yr(and likely 55m those last 10 years) and act like the Mets are dishing it out.
That 765m – 805m isn’t all that much less than the Padres owe to Tatis (10yrs), Machado and Boegarts (9 yrs) combined.
Tatis 10/313.1m
Machado 9/315.8
Boegarts 9/229.1m
Combined 858m.
The Mets starters were 19th in fWAR in 2024. When you have the Braves who were 1st w/o Strider, and the Phillies 3rd it’s just surprising you wouldn’t do more to close the gap.
fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&lg…
Shows you how WAR isn’t the end all be all. Are you really saying the Nats had the 7th best staff in baseball with a 4.4 ERA and either the Braves or Phillies where better then the Mariners? The Phillies ERA was only .1 better than the Mets. WAR just values strikeouts more which isn’t always make you a better pitcher.
The Mets starters were 22nd in k/9 and 26th in bb/9… no WAR stat is perfect but it’s not surprising that you wouldn’t be viewed too terribly well as a pitcher if you don’t strike many out and walk a ton.
But they were third in the league in BABIP. So they give up weak contact.
It’s probably worth saying a prayer to the baseball gods that continues.
Your also failing to calculate a healthy Senga was a 4.5 WAR his rookie season and the Braves lost Fried without replacing him.
I hope Senga is healthy and dominating. He was great as a rookie.
Won’t the Braves likely get a lot more from Strider in 2025 then 2024?
He will still be out for a couple months and most likely throwing a tad slower this year and he’s a two pitch pitcher.
This completely depends on the talent level in this draft class. The value of getting a prospect in the minors is much more higher than starting from scratch and taking the pick compensation. Also, Blake Snell was not eligible for the QO this time so the Padres aren’t gaining any draft pick compensation. Miscalculation from Preller.
No, Preller doesn’t trade vets for prospects, but he irresponsibly trades prospects for vets. This summer he traded Robby Snelling and Adam Mazer for Tanner Scott, and then loses Scott in FA to division rival. This is piss poor management. I understand he’s trying to be aggressive, but you can’t just keep trading from your system when you already have budget restrictions. The guy has zero discipline. This completely limits your flexibility to build out a roster that can sustain consistency year in and year out.
The Mets are in no rush to trade any of their positional prospects. Stearns would be selling low on Jett Williams, Luisangel Acuna, and Drew Gilbert. He wants these guys to build up their value before they start to make decisions on any of them.
Again, Sandy Alcantara is coming off TJ. Why the heck would the Mets buy low on someone when you already know you have to manage with caution coming off right elbow surgery? This makes no sense at all. The Mets could just call up Tidwell or Sproat and get more upside with potentially less risk.
If the Padres playoff odds get lower further into the season it absolutely makes sense for them to trade Cease. The Padres playoff odds per Fangraphs coming into the season are 36.8%. Their win projection is at 82.2. Arizona clearly improved over them and the Dodgers are the Dodgers. They lost Snell, Profar, Scott, That is a total of 9 fWAR from those three players. Why do you think they will be just as good as last season when LAD, NYM, AZ and CHC all improved this winter?
Not to mention SD has a bottom tier farm system (rated 26th per Baseball America). They are in the worst possible situation you want to be as an organization — expensive and not enough talent in the pipeline to fill in needs at the MLB level. So, yes it would actually be wise of Preller to trade one of their top starters so they can finally infuse some youth and depth in their system.
Yes the Padres made moves at the deadline to acquire pieces to extend their playoff run. They also had the best record in the league in the 2nd half.
They also drew over 1m more fans in attendance then the NYM despite spending around a 100m less in payroll. They had the 3rd highest attendance just behind the Phillies while the Mets, despite playing in the most populated city in the country with a top payroll finished 5th from the bottom in the league.
I’d be surprised if there are Padre fans thinking, damn, wish we were the Mets.
baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2024-misc.shtml
And Snell was a Giant last season so no loss there. The Padres won 12 more games in 2024 then 2023 despite losing the reigning CY (Snell), trading Soto, seeing Hader get the biggest FA deal for a reliever and other pieces like Lugo (2nd in AL Cy in ’24) and Wacha and Nick Martinez leave.
We’ll miss Profar and those 26 Innings Tanner Scott pitched, but I think we’re positioned just fine in 2025 after showing how resilient this bunch is.
Love the Nick Pivetta signing to add a big stuff pitcher to the bottom of the rotation.
It will be fun when our clubs play eachother especially with the Soto addition. I think he and Lindor will hit it off. His time in SD was weird but wouldn’t be surprised if he’s found his home with the Mets.
Citifield is located in a place that takes forever to get to/from by train, especially if you’re from New Jersey. If you drive then parking alone is over $40. It’s just an expensive and inconvenient experience… Vs PETCO which is one of the more accessible stadiums in all of major league sports.
Also like the impact of weather on attendance… Many fans would prefer sit on the couch and watch SNY, objectively one of the best broadcast teams in baseball, especially if the alternative is an expensive luxury and there’s a chance of rain on an overcast day.
I mean Citifield in April can easily be 40 degrees or lower with wind chill esp in upper deck …. whereas it’s sunny and beautiful like 270 days a year in SoCal.
“I’d be surprised if there are Padre fans thinking, damn, wish we were the Mets.”
The richest owner in sports and a young core of talent against the Padres who have ownership in legal dispute and a diminishing financial capacity, a farm system that ranks at the bottom, and some really questionable contracts/extensions that could likely strangle them soon enough.
I do not want to be the Padres going forward and I doubt many other Mets fans would either.
That B-R link also lets you sort by pitcher and batters age, the Mets were 2nd oldest in both categories last year.
The Padres amazing attendance isn’t just because they have great weather, they built an exciting team that draws them in and with young guys like Tatis and Merrill I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
It wasn’t too long ago when their attendance sucked and the reasoning often heard was it because there is so much to do in place of going to a ball game.
Anyways, I’m not hating on the Mets I just think in 5 years after 80% or so of the top prospects haven’t done a thing you all wish the GM capitalized on them more and made an even better team.
“The Padres amazing attendance isn’t just because they have great weather”
That wasn’t the point, the point was weather hinders attendance in ever other outdoor stadium MORE than in SD. They suffer the negatives if inclement weather less than any other team.
Why is the Mets prospect development going to dry up in 5 years? Why are 4/5 going to be busts? We have plenty of talent in the minors and just signed the top IFA. Nobody has more resources in analytics, scouting/development or coaching than us except possibly LAD
You can never have enough starters
“Yes”
“Yes, but in a different color”
Bring back Quintana.
I said no, but mainly because I’d rather see Sproat sooner than later.
Old friend Quintana is still available.
This is one of those polls that requires more nuance.
I don’t think the Mets should sign another 4 or 5 guy just for the sake of it, they have enough interesting depth pieces.
But should they actively be trying to deal for a front end starter? Easy said then done but it is undoubtedly what they need.
Great article.
Nah. Montas was a 4 or 5 SP. Their SP is solid. On any other team Manaea and Peterson last seasons would be hailed as they finally put all the potential together. Yet PTSD NYM fans they are convinced it was a fluke. Watch – before spring training is done the competition will likely also get hit with injury bug
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Mets need an ace, and they did before Montas got hurt. It’s not happening at least until July. Quintana would definitely help.
I don’t see the need for 6 SPs though. I would build around maximizing Senga’s effectiveness, by giving him 5 or 6 days rest and filling in everyone else around him. Use an extra pitcher when needed such as swingmen Canning or Blackburn.
Barro and Jett Williams to Seattle for Bryce Miller and Ford makes sense.
The Mariners would laugh, say no, and then hang up the phone.
Yeah absolutely no way.
That doesn’t get you Bryce miller. Include Ford is just silly.
I don’t know why the Mets aren’t starting Butto.
Because he was awesome as a set up man
He was really good as a starter too.
The Mets need Stroman from the Yankees! If the Yankees pay him down to 10 mil for this year and if his option is picked up they could ask for Baty in return. A winning trade for each side.
Stroman is never coming back to the Mets. He burnt that bridge when he left.
Was gonna say, he talked all kinds of trash
Meh, you can’t rule him out just because he has a big mouth. Every Yankee fan said he’d never play in the Bronx after his very public dustup with Cashman. He’s a trouble maker but he’s a professional back-end starter who someone will want.
I’m a yankee fan, idk why we need to dump stro when we need 7+ pitchers to start every year. People will go down. Will Warren could end up being better than Stro but he was abysmal last year and in an improved AL the Yankees need to raise their floor as high as possible and lock in 15 5 inning starts from him before trading him in the summer for some salary relief if he’s bad.
Since the season ended the Mets knew they needed a #2/#3 starter at least to add to the staff. Senga and Holmes are question marks. They lost 3 SPs and kept Manaea so we need a dependable, healthy SP to fill the void.. Stearns seems to think that he is still running a team in the NL Central and 85 wins will do it. The Mets are behind both the Phils and Braves in pitching and you want to WIN the division not be a wild card. Three away games in the Wild Card is not good. They need to trade for Cease or King from SD or call Seattle to get one of their aces. Time for Stearns to make a SMART move.
“so we need a dependable, healthy SP to fill the void”
What void?
“The Mets are behind both the Phils and Braves in pitching and you want to WIN the division not be a wild card.”
You can win the division without having the best pitching staff in the division. You can have success in the playoffs without winning the division.
“They need to trade for Cease or King from SD or call Seattle to get one of their aces. Time for Stearns to make a SMART move.”
Doesn’t seem SMART to trade prospects for rentals.
You can also score more runs than any team in the league and miss the playoffs.
– 2024 Diamondbacks
Mets need an ACE, but not at the price of ANY of their TOP prospects (Jett, Blade, Sproat, Acuna, Mauricio, Gilbert, Clifford, OF they drafted last year). Lower prospects and any/all of their expendable players (Marte, Megill, Nimmo, Siri, McNeil, Taylor, et al).
You CAN NEVER have too many arms! Look at L.A.Dodgers, they have literally 12 starters. The Astros have 5 All Star starters on the Long Term Injury List, just ask them how many is too many, or how many is enough. And last year before the season started analysts everywhere were saying how the Astros had an abundance of pitching and were tops in the league in starting pitching; then the season started and they lost Framber, Verlander, Cristian Javier, Jose Urquidy, Lance McCullers Jr, Luis Garcia, and JP France.
The Mets are not giving up top prospects like Sproat, Williams, Tidwell or Clifford for Cease, and I don’t think that the Padres want to trade him now anyway.
You can never have enough starters, and Quintana makes sense. They know what they’re getting with him and he’s an innings eater. By time Montas is back another starter could go down. They probably won’t need 6 starters for the first month based on how the schedule falls, but they will by May, and I wouldn’t want to count on Blackburn, Canning or Megill.
I think Megill is a wild card. He reminds me of where the Mets were with Wheeler (at a bit less of a scale) where Megill’s stuff plays. He really did a bang up job in August/September last year. Relegating him to the pen in the playoffs where he wasn’t getting regular reps hurt him for sure.
I’d like to see him consistently pitch as a starter.
There’s no such thing as too much pitching. The Dodgers rotation had its own hospital wing last year and they had to patch together all kinds of different arms to win.
No the rotation is fine. This is a totally unbiased opinion.
They’re fiiiiiine
Voted no as a Braves fan just in case Cohen sees the poll.
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Free agent starter? No at this point. Megill/Canning is just as good as anything left IMO.
They need an impactful rotation addition at some point this year but I don’t think free agency is the place for it now.
Yes. Really, they could use at least two.
I got two comments:
1. The Mets managed to prove last year it didn’t take aces to win, and they might strike similar gold especially with a better lineup w/Soto in it.
2. Typically pitching is ahead of hitting early in the season, so I believe they can survive until Montas returns. They survived virtually all year with whom they thought would be Senga as their ace.
I lied, I have a 3rd, the Wilpons left their farm w/nothing in the way of prospects, so Cohen had to either consider a rebuild or funnel too much money to field a contender, so it seems unlikely the Mets will break & trade top prospects for a Cease or any other that improves their rotation. If they were considering that, you’d think it would’ve been for a Crochet.
They need a top tier guy to really compete so if they get one of those then yeah, go make the move but do they need another body? No not really. I’d like to see some kids pitch a few starts.
My prediction for the first half is their rotation plays out like so, before they add a big name at the deadline if they’re in it:
Senga: Bounces back, is very good (#2 type)
Manea: is fine, regresses a bit (a good #3 type)
Holmes: is an opener or bullpen arm by June but very useful there.
Pederson: Has a good-not great year (#3/4 type)
Montas: Dissapoints, eats some innings in the 2nd half with some injury issues
Blackburn: Eats innings like the #5 he is, has some gems early on but is who he is by May.
Canning: Gets hurt, makes less than 5 starts of varying quality over the year.
And a young kid or two looks like a major league quality arm over 7 starts.