Longtime shortstop Xander Bogaerts headed into the 2024 season as the Padres’ new everyday second baseman, but he moved back to short in September to fill the void when Ha-Seong Kim was lost to a season-ending shoulder injury. With Kim now poised to join the Rays, the path is clear for Bogaerts to return to his old position. Padres manager Mike Shildt told reporters (including Jeff Sanders of the San Diego Union-Tribune) that Bogaerts will be the team’s regular shortstop in 2025, and that the veteran is “excited” about the opportunity.
The news isn’t necessarily a shock, as Bogaerts retook the position down the stretch and into the postseason while Kim was on the IL late last year. He’s far from the only player on the roster with shortstop experience, but president of baseball operations AJ Preller made it clear at the start of the offseason that he wasn’t enthused by the prospect of moving either of his former shortstops in the outfield, Fernando Tatis Jr. and Jackson Merrill, back onto the infield dirt in 2025. There have been at least some indications throughout the winter that rival clubs have expressed interest in Bogaerts as a potential trade candidate but the veteran’s hefty contract has long made such an arrangement look unlikely. It’s hardly a shock that San Diego has him penciled in for the starting shortstop gig to open the season given the unlikeliness of a trade, particularly now that Kim has reached an agreement elsewhere that will shut the door on a reunion.
As Bogaerts enters his age 32 season in 2025, he’ll be looking to rebound from the worst campaign of his career last year. In the second year of his 11-year, $280MM contract with San Diego the infielder was limited to just 111 games by a fractured left shoulder and hit just .264/.307/.381 (95 wRC+) when healthy enough to take the field. Notably, Bogaerts began to look a bit more like himself after returning from injury in the second half with a .299/.338/.432 (117 wRC+) in 64 games after being activated from the injured list in mid-July. That’s more or less in line with the 119 wRC+ he posted during his first year in San Diego, when he was able to put together a campaign worth 4.6 fWAR. That was the seventh best season among all shortstops in baseball in 2023, and the Padres would surely be delighted by a similar performance in 2025.
With Bogaerts seemingly entrenched at shortstop, the rest of the club’s infield mix falls into place with Manny Machado remaining at third base while Jake Cronenworth slides over to second in place of Bogaerts. Luis Arraez stands as the current top candidate to handle first base as things stand despite his name frequently appearing in the rumor mill this winter, but the Padres preferred to use him as their DH for the majority of his time in San Diego last year. With at least one bat seemingly needed between first base and DH, where Arraez ends up playing could come down to what player is added to the 1B/DH mix alongside him. J.D. Martinez and Justin Turner are among the best remaining players available at DH in free agency, while first base has a handful of relatively affordable veterans available like Anthony Rizzo and Mark Canha.
X outshortstops the other shortstops, wins the shortstop competition for the San Diego Shortstops.
Dark – Here’s hoping he can stay healthy and remind the world how good he was in Boston!
Time waits for no man. He isn’t the same player he was in Boston.
Dev – That was only 28 months ago.
Moving back to his natural position should help his offense too even more.
FPG – As mentioned elsewhere, there were ZERO 31 year old or older full time shortstops in MLB last year. There’s a reason for that.
Xander Bogaerts < or = to Javy Báez. I said what needed to be said.
He was declining 28 months ago….. Red Sox dodged a serious mistake by not resigning him and the Padres not only screwed up but they screwed up for 9 more years he will be grossly overpaid.
Because we got 4.4 WAR at SS in 2023? Or his combined 5.6 WAR since we lost him to the Padres? We got 3.2 WAR combined at SS in those two years.
Such a huge mistake dodged.
Dev – You mean like Story? And don’t use his injury as an excuse. He was their starting shortstop last year and will be this year.
Same with 31 year old Corey.
He’s been hurt his entire tenure in SD, let’s see what he does now healthy.
FPG – I repeat: ZERO 31 year old or older full time shortstops in MLB last year. I don’t consider 26 games started as full time.
Well there are a couple this year and they are really good.
Mets- and likely for a few years to come.
Ok. But now look back a bit in history, recent history. A lot of mid 30s guys. Starting SS for LAD is turning 33 this year
BS. Anyone who has watched both would take broken-shoulder Bogey over bad-hip Baez all day every day.
Heck, I might take you sight unseen over Javy. Do you swing at pitches that are outside the batter’s box opposite of yours??? Yeah? Ya do? Still might take you and your bad mojo.
Coop – Don’t you have any conscious at all?
Every real Sox fan knows 28 months ago Xander finished his 2nd-best all around season.
2nd-highest WAR at 5.9
2nd-highest MVP voting (9th)
Another Silver Slugger
And he was Gold Glove runnerup
Real Red Sox fans know the serious mistake was signing Story to replace Xander.
Story’s 2022-2024 is a combined 4.0 WAR and 89 OPS+
Xander’s 2022-2024 is a combined 11.5 WAR and 115 OPS+
If it’s something personal causing all your lies, just say so. But considering you always end up crapping on former Sox players, it’s likely just SOSS (Sox Ownership Suckup Syndrome).. No worries, you’re not the only one who suffers from it here.
Dev – Now that I’m not posting while driving 88.8 MPH on the highway, I’ll give you the proper response you deserve.
There were only 32 players in MLB last year to play at least 550 innings at shortstop.
Here’s some of them:
554 Innings – Ahmed – Age 34
596 innings – Rojas – Age 35
672 innings – Baez – Age 31
730 innings – DeJong – Age 31
1018 innings – Trea Turner – Age 31
Your exact words were “full time” which translated to baseball language means starting shortstop aka #1 shortstop, so starting shortstops like Story who were injured last year SHOULD also be included. Story did NOT lose his starting shortstop job while he was injured and he’s expected to start this season as the starting shortstop.
But regardless I’m going with only innings played at shortstop which is not disputable, whereas your “full time” label can be disputed because some teams didn’t even have a designated #1 shortstop on their team.
And the fact there were multiple 30-year-old #1 starting shortstops last year means your ridiculous stance that 31 is too old to play shortstop will be blown out of the water even more this year when those players turn 31.
Nothing personal but I’m a straight shooter who detests false information being presented here as fact, because that leads to less knowledgeable readers being misled and I will not allow that to happen whenever I can help it.
Hopefully your false statements are not an attempt to promote ageist views, we already have enough of that around here.
Take it easy now, calm down Fever.
Don’t type and drive. Save it.
what are you talking about? Trea , Lindor, Arcia, Swanson, were all 31 … you think 31 is the end of playing shortstop in MLB? You just start watching baseball?
gravel – Tesla, self driving.
If it was a DeLorean I’d be in 1985 right now. Haha!
dont – They probably are hoping for a Logan’s Run type world, reeks of ageism.
Why did you pick 550 innings to try to make a point??? 550 innings is only 61.1 games which is about 1/3 of a season and not a full time shortstop. We might consider Trea Turner a full time shortstop stop as he played 1018 innings there which is 113.1 games, but that is still less than 2/3 of the season. All those old guys you listed could only play about half the season at shortstop with the exception of Turner.
…actually 113.1 games is 70% if a season
Dev- there’s always zero until there is one. Not long ago there were zero 35 year olds in baseball period. There were zero $300 million players. Now we’re almost to a billion.
In 2025 there will be 7 shortstops that are in their age 31 or older season on opening day including Bogaerts.
You conveniently did not count Betts or Turner for 2024.
He was never a good SS in Boston. A good hitter, yes. Barely passable at SS, absolutely. Paying the most for the Seventh best SS is nothing to be proud of.
stymee – Once again the facts prove you’re wrong, Xander had a couple really good defensive years including 2022:
3rd in the league OAA
3rd in the league in Range
3rd in the league in UZR
2nd in the league in Def
And a Gold Glove finalist
fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?stats=fld&…
mlb.com/news/2022-gold-glove-awards-finalists
Hope the Pads enjoy paying this very average player (and declining) $25M over the next NINE years until he’s 41! This contract was horrible while the ink was still drying. Wow!
Question. Yanks offer Stroman, Spencer Jones and a lesser prospect for Machado and maybe $5 mil per for the next 8 years. What would you do?
Padres have said the two players that are 100% not available are tatis and Machado. I’d assume Merrill isn’t either but that pro lb went without saying it.
Laugh, and then cry.
KFC – Unless you view this purely as salary relief for SD going forward, how does this help the Padres compete THIS year and next?
Stroman’s contract is radioactive. Overpaid this year, with the very real potential of being overpaid next if he pitches innings. I doubt you’ll ever see the Yankees give out a contract like that again.
@Dev
This is all about freeing money for future use. They reach make about $20 mil this year. Pads would save the $300 mil he’s owed up to age 40. Maybe they could then extend Cease and/or King and possibly replace Machado via trade for someone else. But if they’re looking to trade Long and Cease right now, then I don’t think they’re serious contenders this year without them.
KFC – I do think the Padres are in trouble, caught between the massive contracts of Machado, Tatis, Bogaerts, etc. and their own payroll ceiling, and Preller has done everything possible to keep the ball rolling despite the loss of Soto, Hader, Snell, Lugo, N. Martinez, Wacha, etc. and now Profar, Kim, etc.
That said, I don’t think they’re ready to throw in the towel, and dealing Machado would effectively be doing that., I’m sure Preller hopes that dealing off Cease OR King might help them fill two spots and still contend.
Read that initially as “destroy”.
That makes sense.. Anyone here think the Padres are done trading?
No. I haven’t read anything about Preller getting professional help for his trading addiction, so I doubt the trades stop.
AJ isn’t done trading if he is breathing! History suggests that at a minimum he can take it all the way to opening day before making a big splash.
April if it’s for a 2 time batting champion.
Technically 5/4/24 on acquiring Luis but he may trade him away in April!
Manny was signed during ST
@Brew88
So, actually, in comparison to the 2015 disaster and other years, some of AJP’s best signings or trades happened late in Spring training, or during the 1st half of the season, versus the off season. I won’t pull out Baseball Reference to research it, but I’m thinking of Hosmer (pretty clear error) and Wil Myers (decent player, but a lot of $$ for a guys who didn’t live up to hopes).. That conservation could go to a whole new thread and .. lol .. I just don’t have that much desire to review and relearn Padre history under AJP..
But as pretty much everyone will agree, AJP is never out of the hunt, never finished, and always working on possible deals to improved the club. No one ever faulted his work ethic or creativity.
Last year was difficult and AJP pulled off near miracles. This off-season is tougher. Reminds me of the hopeless Moores-Moorad years in the ownership wilderness. However, even if the Seidlers were all one happy family, even if Peter were alive today, my guess is that this off-season wouldn’t be much different. The Pads had to get back under the CBT, and they lost their TV contract.. They lost a key starter in Musgrove. The projected window of competition was always supposed to be about 2021-2024 or 2025, and it’s still a great team.
All I really worry about is pitching, but I worry about pitching every year, anyhow.
They been waiting for the market to come to them. Team seems in good shape so possibly no moves…
Who? Name sounds familiar, but can’t place it.
Xander’s contract has been aging like fine milk from the outset…
Heard that before…
@childish – You can read? Good on you…
Well good on his recall abilities as well!
Heard that before
@childish – There must be an Originals Only comments section for you somewhere.
Looking back at it – it’s the length that seems bad. He’s worth 25 mil a season. I think he’s going to have a solid year
A non- story…he was going to be the shortstop despite Lil Nicky’s flip floppin’ through the article…
Wait what – that the Adam Sandler character?
I’m a Padres fan. This is fine and expected. Bogaerts and Cronenworth will regain some value by moving back to SS and 2b where their bats play better.
Signing Justin Turner or JD Martinez might be fun. Fun to watch Martinez learn 1b. Why not? Nelson Cruz came to SD as a DH with the expectation that he would play a smattering of 1b. He ended up playing 1 inning of 1b for the 2023 Padres. 7 innings for TB in 2021.
Playing at your natural position doesn’t help your bat skills. Borgarts always been a great hitter is glove is not GG very avg
Tiger, you have never played a sport. That much is obvious.
JD isn’t bringing a glove with him wherever he signs. If the Padres are looking for a 1B/OF type then Canha, Joey Gallo, Connor Joe, or Gavin Sheets would probably be better (and cheaper) signings
Can anyone explain what drugs SD execs were on when they gave him an 11 year, $280 million contract???
Chemo.
It’s been fun, folks.
@VegasMoved
I just failed that “you’re not going to Hell” check.
Peter Seidler was trying to win a World Series before he died. Padres had missed out on signing both Judge and Trea Turner that same offseason.
It was a contract signed to improve the 2023 team with little concern about the long-term consequences.
Xander’s agent pulled a fast one on a sick Peter Seidler. No one was offering within $100M of what he ended up being paid. 6/$150 was about the largest deal he was offered from what I recall. I couldn’t believe it when I heard what he signed for. We loved him in Boston but couldn’t justify paying him anything close to that. I just hope he can stay healthy enough to play out his contract, but the last few years are going to ugly.
Dorothy – Bogaerts had a .688 OPS last year, so I hope the last 10 years of the contract are not ugly (including last year). I loved Bogaerts in Boston (Red Sox diehard of 54 years pre-Lynn and Rice), but I did not want Bogaerts re-signed at any price. He had started to decline, and I could see a contract of even 4 or 5 years being more than I wanted. Story’s defense was way better, and in theory he was a good replacement, but Story has had health issues. On the bright side the Red Sox only have three more years of Story, whereas, the Padres have 9 more years of Bogaerts…. Aren’t long term contracts fun….
1971- what was his declined war in the 2022?
Simm
1971- what was his declined war in the 2022?
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A lot of WAR value was based on his defensive scores. He had a +5 DRS. That was an aberration. His 3 prior seasons, he averaged -6. Defensive scores, imho, should be averaged over three years to get an accurate score.
Again, he is by no means a bad player, and SD should still expect a couple of decent seasons. But he is still $100M over market.
I always liked the dude. I definitely thought we should give him more than Story. But even then, it didn’t make BB sense to me to give him $156M when we had Mayer coming up. Even being generous, his price tag was unbelievably high.
You don’t have to convince me Xanders contract will not age well. Pretty sure everyone on the planet knows that.
The question is can they get some more seasons from him at a 4 war or so. If they can then he gives them a better chance of competing these next few years before the real drop off will happen.
Simm – I loved Bogaerts while with Boston, but NO his 4 war years are behind him. There was never a reason to re-sign Bogaerts to a long term contract with Mayer coming, and with the production Story had at the time of his signing.
1971- I think he still has a 4 war season or more left on him.
Will see I’m not 100% confident in it.
This will be a telling season for him.
They had to outbid the dodgers by a lot
Chemo brain and a strong emotional issue for the late owner.
AJ Preller, was a dopamine addict given a full checkbook.
It’s called staying under the luxury tax, that’s why the contract is structured like that.
Right ! Kinda like a contract deferral with integrity lol
Trade Cease
Trade Suarez
Acquire some young controllable arms
Honestly. Why not try Arraez at 2B Cronenworth in LF or vice verse and sign Turner and Martinez to play 1B and DH to add some more power and experience to the lineup.
Apparently, Arraez is really bad at 2b. There were talks of Cronenworth in the OF, but I think the conclusion was that he is too big boned and not very fast, so he is better in the infield. It still wouldn’t surprise me to see Cronenworth make an appearance in the OF in his career at some point.
Even with Cronenworth at 2b and Arraez at 1b, there is still room for a player like Justin Turner or JD Martinez getting a lot of time at 1b and DH, of course Martinez would have to learn 1b.
I don’t understand why people say that about his defense. Other than his rookie season Arraez has been above average at 2B.
Arraez is to 2B what XB is to SS. Passable. You can play one, but playing both there would be worse than passable.
Good hands, but X, Arraez, and Machado were all negative in range last year.
Padres still can do a guy like Turner at 1b/dh. Arraez can play some 2b, 1b, DH. They still need a bat at Will DH and lady some field.
For the love of God, don’t let Preller sign Turner. I never want to see him in petco in anything but a visiting teams jersey, and even that makes me queasy.
Martinez or France are my choices.
Is david Peralta still floating around?
JSC – you said it brother!
Rizzo/Martinez/Peralta – take 2 of those 3 on the cheap and mix in Eguy and Tirso and call it.
I could live with trading Suarez for a solid 4 with team control and a lottery pick.
Laureano is who they are missing ! He’s only 39 with a ton of upside kinda like profar. He has some west coast clout too back from his Oakland days !
And big whiffa strikes out for the 8000 time this offseason. Ramon Laureano is 30 not 39 but don’t let facts get in your way
ER – may have been a victim of small keyboard – 9 and 0 side by side. His use is “only” makes me give him the benefit.
If RL is a FA, I’d be ok adding him to my list of possible cheap guys (see previous post) to add before season starts.
Thx LTC ! Right, instead of an ancient Martinez or Turner, sign the THIRTY year old coming off the strong second 1/2 with the Braves
I would kick the tires on Jose Iglasias…can play 3B, SS and 2B and could probably play 1B if needed. Still unsigned and would not be expensive…would be a versatile player and a solid veteran similar to Solano and Peralta last season
Yeah I like that a lot.
That’s a good call. Maybe he could write a song for them.
I like the idea if he is cheap enough. That is kind of what they have in Wade. A Swiss army knife on defense that doesn’t hit very well.
Remember when some Red Sox fans were bummed when San Diego signed him to this incredibly ridiculous contract?
As a Sox fan, I remember clearly being disappointed we were losing a great player, leader and community ambassador. My heart was, at least.
My brain was relieved.
Those same dopey Red Sox fans want to make the same mistake with signing Bregman….. SMH
Remember when some Red Sox fans were bummed
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They were mostly idiots and trolls. It’s almost impossible for anyone to think that was a good contract. Very likeable player, but the writing was on the wall.
Which is why the Red Sox offered him $8 million more AAV in their 6 year offer. It was $80 million less overall, but a huge amount more every season. How do you think that would go over now if he had accepted that to stay?
9 more to go baby. To bad the owner got fleeced while sick trying to win a ring.
Know how many full time MLB shortstops were 31 years of age or older last year?
Zero.
Bogaerts turns 33 October 1.
Schildt puts high importance on defense, but desperate times call for desperate measures..
Trevor Story.
26 games started… not a full time SS.
It’s an interesting fact, but guys like Turner, Lindor, Swansby, and Seager will all be 31 this year. It’s probably more of an anomaly than a rule. I’d be interesting in seeing a breakdown over the years though.
From 2022-2024, there were just three instances where 31 year old or older shortstops played at least 120 games. In 2022, it was Miguel Rojas and Elvis Andrus. In 2023, only Rojas.
It’s the position that requires the most athleticism, and range is important. Older players are transitioned off the 6, as was Bogaerts last year. Moving him back up the defensive spectrum isn’t likely to benefit the Padres, though I recognize they lack a better alternative unless they move Merrill back in (and create another hole).
All I’m saying is this: The Padres are not a better team with 32 year old Bogaerts at SS.
Depends on how you measure a better team. I think the padres as the roster sits are better off with Xander at short. He isn’t the best possible solution in the mlb. He should be serviceable for another year. Time is ticking on him at short though.
The big thing is can he have a healthy season and get the bat working for a full year. If he can the padres will be happy with him at short for now.
Mookie Betts turns 33 this year, SS for LAD
Simm – I’m saying they aren’t a better team with Bogaerts at SS vs. Kim, and I think the fall off will be noticeable.
I don’t believe most baseball fans appreciate how much talent the Padres lost these last two off seasons..
Soto, Hader, Snell, Wacha, N. Martinez, Lugo (partly offset by King, Cease and Higashioka), and now Profar (who had the 2nd highest WAR among their offensive players), Musgrove, Higashioka and Kim.
I think Shildt is a miracle-worker but I liken them to a gerbil on a wheel, having to run faster and faster to counter ageing vets and talent loss.
Devlsh – Agree 100% about the talent the Padres have lost. I would trade your two starters that will be free agents after 2025, and start the rebuild now rather than loose them for nothing.
Dev- Kim was hurt most of the second half last year. Profar tailed off the second half last year. Arraez had a torn thumb ligament the second half of last year. Tatis had a broken leg most of the second half last year….
And yet they had the best record in baseball the second half which also included Xander moving back to short when Kim went down.
Is Kim a better fielder? Yes he is.
Though the padres were a better team without Kim and short.
Trea Turner will be 32 in June.
They don’t seem any more desperate than last year and it worked out well for them then. Plus they have tatis and Merrill yet still are going with X. Seems more of a vote of confidence imo
Plus they are just buying time for DeVries
Seems like the Padres need a right handed hitting infielder and 2 left handed hitting outfielders. Turner makes sense if the money can be worked out.
Bita – you just described Tirso and Eguy. Why sign an over the hill Turner (who no SF fans wants in brown and gold)? You won’t know if they are ready until they get a shot. They have both proven themselves at AAA.
Guys like Martínez/Rizzo/Peralta and others will still be available at the end of ST if needed.
Those guys should get a shot on the bench and then play sparingly or more because of injuries.
Padres need help. However they get it they need help.
ST is the time to give them AB’s. A guy that you want to be a regular can’t make his case sitting on the bench. Up and coming talent gets a shot to play. Late 30’s guys that had a good career – bench and spot play.
I don’t think i would call those guys you named up and coming talent.
Tirso and Eguy?
Young guys that have proven themselves at AAA?
What else do you want from a guy?
Didn’t call them “can’t miss prospects” but they are guys that it’s time to see what they can do at next level.
I have no issues with Turner or some of the others mentioned. I think I’d take Iglesias over all of them in the infield. He can play all over and keep the DH spot rotating. Pushing Arraez to DH most days. He plays a darn good second.
I know his babip was super high last year but can still be a very useful piece.
Simm, I think splitting hairs on a bunch of these guys that are sitting on sidelines. Also, some will have 1 more in the tank and some won’t so, a little luck required as well – do you get a Gary Sanchez or do you get a Matt Carpenter result?
For every name that gets brought up it just confirms that there is no hurry to sign a couple of bodies.
True most of these guys are at the age of can we get one good year out of them. It is a likely lucky because hard to really tell given their age.
Player today said they need to add two bats and an arm or two. So something will come together.
I just saw that report so yeah, something brewing even if it’s a trade I’d rather not see!
Let’s hope he can stop sulking and play like the player he was in Boston
So you are calling a shoulder fracture sulking?
Should have never left Boston but hoodwinked by Boras into the BIG PAYDAY and went off to the West Coast to slowly fade into oblivion.
Highly paid oblivion. Lol
I want someone to hoodwink me into accepting $280 million for doing what I love to do.
Godspeed on his deployment.
It did seem like an odd choice of word.
Everything been downhill for the padres ever since manchado threw a baseball at Roberts
Has it they won that game and the game after that…after that though not so good.
So the fourth and possibly fifth best shortstop on the team will be the starting shortstop.
Jackson Merrill, Fernando Ringworm Jr, Manny Machado (and likely Jake Cronenworth) all have proven to have greater range than Xander Bogaerts at shortstop.
Bad contract signing Bogaerts.
Machado at 33 is at the correct position for sure. He wasn’t a good SS when he did it for BAL/LA for a year.
The other guys? Can’t take Jackson off CF atp. Tatis never really showd the ability to be plus there and healthy. Crone? Yeah, maybe so.
Bogey definitely won’t be there for the duration of his contract but for next year I don’t know that he isn’t the best option given their roster construction.
No wonder why Sasaki didn’t want to sign with the Pads lol. He didn’t want to be traded in 2 years because of a weak management team
So, you must define “strong management team” as unlimited dollars to spend, WAY over and above the CBT if the owners felt like it, from stadium revenue (wholly owned by the Dodgers), their marquee endorsements because “Dodgers” is 100 years+ old, their multi-$BILLION TV contract, and plus regular seat revenue? The Padres owners had a cash call both last year and the year before (if memory serves). Padre owners have a valuable asset in team ownership, but it’s a bleeding-red investment. When was the last year the Dodgers did not PAY their owners? It’s an apples and oranges comparison.
Whatever the reason that Sasaki (and others in years before) went to the Dodgers or Giants or Phillies over the Pads, you can’t cite a shred of evidence that it was due to “weak” Padre ownership and management under Preller.
Every time I put this into writing about Dodgers revenue, which is all from published sources, I’ll get some Dodger fan boys (or reflexive Preller haters) who contend that the Dodgers don’t own Chavez Ravine or realize income from it, that their only income is from gate receipts and their media contact, and blah … blah ..blah. Just be honest and say “I love the Dodgers” and/or “I hate Preller”, and stop with the slamming of the Padres organization, based upon whole cloth lies.
Yep, Preller’s made mistakes, some real doozies. He’s also hit many, many home runs on trades and signings. If he was fired tomorrow, there’d be a dozen teams contacting him about joining their organizations, either as GM or eventual GM when the opportunity arose. Preller’s a valued GM in baseball.
THE PADRES HAVE TOO MANY SHORTSTOPS! THE TIGERS NEVER HAD A CHANCE! THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN!
I mean he can be a weak hitting SS as easily as a weak hitting 2b so makes sense to let him actually contribute with his fielding – until we remember he just isn’t good at that either.
GLWT..below average hitter and still owed $230M…Yikes!! Could be an all time worst. contract ever..
Degaz ( and others) X gave 4.4 WAR in year 1 and broke his shoulder in year 2 – and adjusted to 2b. That said, look at his stats in 62 games after return from IL. If anything like they carries over to a healthy 2025, he will earn his $$.
Now, no doubt the last 3 years are bad but, a lot of MLB long term contracts know they are giving away money the last few years so, what else is new. The list is very long of past and current contracts that will not look good the last years.
This is the contract of all the Pads expenditures that really kills the team now n in future. He was already in decline at the plate n w/his glove when he inked this deal. Went from having surplus of SS’s to only having a fading one.
That’s okay they will have another one arriving soon enough.
If you mean De Vries, he’s 18 years old.
18.
Like Salas, Padres fans need to take a deep breath and let those guys ripen just a little. Expecting everyone to come along at Jackson Merrill’s pace is both unfair to other young players and likely to result in disappointment. And even Merrill was 21.
I don’t expect to see him this year but next year isn’t out of the question. He is super talents and preller pushes them pretty fast.
Simm – They fast-tracked Salas, and I’m not sure that’s been to his benefit; I think it would be good to let him enjoy success rather than fail against guys who were, on average, SEVEN years older than him when they pushed him to AA.
And De Vries’ offensive numbers aren’t even as good as Salas were in Lake Elsinore (which if I recall, is a hitter’s paradise). Salas, at the same age, put up a 116 DRC+, De Vries a 115. Fast forward four clubs later and Salas is putting up an 88 DRC+ with a slash line of 206/288/311 at High A.
Maybe De Vries blossoms faster, but again, both these kids are of an age where many of their peers haven’t even been DRAFTED, and you’re expecting De Vries to be ready for the bigs in a year.
DeVries had a very slow start last year but took off after that.
They both will likely reach and play in aa next year. That will tell us if they are ready. If the perform preller will not be shy about promoting them to even the mkb team. If they need more time then they will get more time.
This coming season will tell us a lot.
At age 17-18, his first year was spectacular. 2026 seems reasonable on his trajectory
“This coming season will tell us a lot.”
All I’m saying is, this coming season doesn’t necessarily mean anything, that BOTH those guys can struggle for the next 2-3 years and STILL be successful major leaguers at a normal (even accelerated) age. Heck, if either player took over the starting job at age 23 (4-5 years from now), that would be a reasonable development curve. If they struggle at age 18/19 (or 19/20) at their respective levels, it shouldn’t be a surprise and doesn’t reflect poorly on either.
Merrill never struggled at any level, and he was two years older than both when he reached Lake Elsinore.. He’s also a rarebird; the number of 21 year olds who thrive in their first taste of the bigs is very select.
Don’t pin your hopes on De Vries and Salas duplicating his success…and on an even faster timetable.
Yeah it’s a safe bet De Vries debuts sometime in 2026. Tatis, Abrams and Merrill would be exhibits A, B, & C on that front.
I’m good with Boegarts playing at SS most of these next two years. They looked just fine with him there to end 2024 with the team going 12-4 with him starting at SS. A 3-4 win season and a 115-120 OPS+ would be great and think that is realistic.
That is certainly the hope. He played in low A ball for most of his age 17 season in 2024. He will move up to A+ Ft Wayne to start his age 18 season in 2025 and if he starts to hit better would be expected to move up to AA by the end of the season. He will likely return to AA to start 2026 for his age 19 season and get a call up at some point in that year.
The other hope is that De Vries will be better than Abrams has turned out to be and more like Tatis Jr.
De Vries is the only player on the Top 100 prospects that played all of 2024 at age 17. That was his first season in pro ball because he skipped the DSL. He is ranked 18th on the top 100 today and is a 60 FV prospect.
The Padres have invited him to big league spring training this season and he will probably start his age 18 season in A+ Ft Wayne. If his numbers there match his 174 wRC+ in July and August last season in Lake Elsinore, he will be in AA for the 2nd half if not sooner.
Being called up for his age 19 season in 2026 is not outside of the realm of possibility. He is that good.
And another playoffs loosing season
Deploy? Is he parachuting in every game?
He’s also entrenched at SS wearing camo
Thank you for your service Xander
The Padres are engaging in a dangerous mix of nostalgia, hype, and financial imprudence by positioning Xander Bogaerts at shortstop in 2025. This decision ignores established wisdom about the position’s physical demands, overlooks critical performance data, and represents a long-term commitment that could seriously hinder the team’s future success.
Is that a surprise? In 2023 he had a 4.4 WAR and was 6th in bWAR in MLB at SS. The Padres moved him to 2B last season because they had one of the best defensive IF in baseball available to play SS in Ha Seong Kim. Now Kim is gone and Bogaerts moves back to his natural position.
I really want Xander to succeed. I feel bad that he’s probably not going to live up to that contract. It was ambitious when he signed it, and those first two seasons represented his best opportunity to produce at a high level, as I’m sure he’s driven to do. Hopefully he turns in a respectable second act, and makes his new fans cheer.
This old fan is rooting for him like I rooted for Lester in Chicago, and even more than I’m rooting for Betts. I want Betts to win 99.7% of votes on his first year on the ballot. My dreams for Bogaerts are more modest, but still involve several years of Hall of Fame conversations.
Mookie’s HOF story feels about as inevitable as the 108 win 2018 Red Sox charging through the post-season phalanx without so much as an off-night. Bogaerts feels about as unlikely as Pedroia—both are squarely in the group of players that are probably not HoF worthy, but I’m glad we’re talking about their careers.
So yeah, I’d be thrilled to see Bogaerts can pull off seven more excellent seasons, maybe a lifetime achievement call to the All-Star game in one of his last years, and gets say 12% of first ballot votes, it’ll be fun to remember and reminisce about his career together.
Bogaerts makes sense in the best position for him, i.e. SS. What would be the alternative? Moving Merrill to SS and Bogey to CF or LF? Move Cronenworth to LF, Bogey to 1B, and dial-a-prospect-daily to CF?!
As far as trades, the only that wouldn’t seriously damage the team and yet bring a viable return (i.e. salary reduction for other acquisitions, or MLB ready players, mainly pitchers) would be Suarez and Cronenworth. I think that both are arguably worth their contract, though some will dispute. A good closer is easier to replace than a Cease or King level starter. I won’t go into the value over WAR that Cronenworth brings, because if one can’t recognize the obvious, they haven’t watch him play.
Anyhow, I would see those plus possibly a mid-level prospect of two as the most likely trade moves. Teams won’t pay in trade value what Cease is worth to the Padres (let along market value), for a 1-year rental with some variation over his history (i.e. similar in many ways over a shorter period, to Snell’s history). Like every analyst/writer is saying, they wouldn’t be surprised if he’s moved, nor if he’s still on the roster opening day. Aside from possibly leading a winning rotation, if the Pads are out of it by the trade deadline (and Cease performs, and Cease is healthy .. etc.), he’s solid gold as a trade chip. Teams WILL definitely pay for him in July.
Smart move by the Padres to set Bogaerts up for a huge “rebound year” in 2025.
Bogaerts is just “keeping the SS seat warm for Padres top International SS prospect Leonaldis DeVries
Bogaerts will eventually be moved to 2B or 1B
or be traded.
Padres team moving forward will be built with the farm system, trades and maybe a few mid level free agents.