While a report earlier today revealed that the Cardinals and Astros have resumed discussions regarding veteran third baseman Nolan Arenado, a report from Chandler Rome and Katie Woo of The Athletic this evening has cast doubt on the likelihood of a deal coming together. According to Rome and Woo, although the sides did re-engage about Arenado in the aftermath of Alex Bregman signing with the Red Sox, those renewed discussions were “brief” and that there has been no traction gained on a deal between the sides. Rome and Woo add that Arenado’s stance on waiving his no-trade clause to join the Astros has not changed to this point.
The report meshes with comments from president of baseball operations John Mozeliak earlier today, in which he suggested to reporters that he didn’t feel anything was “imminent” regarding Arenado. Rome and Woo go on to relay that sources described the possibility of a deal coming together between the two teams as a “long shot,” adding that a deal the sides discussed involving Arenado was considered a “non-starter.” Given that description of talks between the two sides, it’s not entirely clear if Arenado has been approached by St. Louis brass about the possibility of approving a trade to Houston since the Astros tried to reignite talks or if discussions between the sides did not advance far enough for Mozeliak to even broach the subject with his veteran star.
Even when Arenado first blocked a trade to Houston back in December, reporting was quick to emphasize that Arenado’s reluctance to approve the trade was not necessarily a final decision and that he was hoping to survey his own market as well as see how the Astros planned to improve the club after trading star outfielder Kyle Tucker to the Cubs just before Arenado vetoed a prospective move to Houston. Now that Bregman has landed in Boston, the Red Sox join the Padres and Dodgers as unlikely landing spots for the veteran due to their full infield mixes. The Yankees have a clear hole at third base Arenado could step into fairly seamlessly, but talks between the Bronx and St. Louis have failed to gain traction due to New York’s unwillingness to spend much beyond their current payroll projection.
That leaves the Astros as the final team reportedly on Arenado’s initial list of approved suitors as things stand. It’s possible that the lack of clear alternative options, in tandem with the Astros’ addition of Christian Walker to their infield mix, would be enough to convince Arenado to approve a trade to Houston. At the same time, it’s entirely possible that Arenado would prefer to play the first half of the season out in St. Louis at this point before both he and Mozeliak reassess the situation over the summer, when St. Louis’s position in an unsettled NL Central division will be more clear and Arenado will have a more concrete idea of which clubs are contenders for the coming postseason.
Rome and Woo go on to note that the Astros’ latest push to swing a deal for Arenado highlights the questions surrounding the Astros’ lineup at this point. Longtime second baseman Jose Altuve appears to be moving towards playing left field at least on a part-time basis, though a trade for Arenado would be expected to make the veteran a full-time presence in left while Isaac Paredes slides from third base to second to accommodate Arenado. Should Altuve end up moving to left field for the majority of his reps this year, that leaves the club fairly thin around the infield with only Mauricio Dubon and non-roster invitees like Brendan Rodgers and Luis Guillorme available to play second base on days Altuve is in left and/or back up the rest of the club’s infield mix.
Even if Altuve were to remain at second base close to full time, however, it can be argued the club is still a bat short. Jake Meyers appears poised to be the club’s regular center fielder with Ben Gamel and Chas McCormick handling the outfield corners. Gamel and McCormick both feature significant platoon splits, however, and adding at least one part-time outfield bat to the mix seems prudent whether that’s the addition of Altuve to the outfield mix or an external addition should the veteran remain on the infield dirt.
Free agent options are relatively scarce at this point in the calendar, with Jose Iglesias and Whit Merrifield the best infield pieces still available while Alex Verdugo, Mark Canha, and David Peralta are among a handful of outfield options still on the market. It’s also possible the Astros could look for other alternatives on the trade market, though with rosters largely set for the coming season it’s unclear what players could still be available that would represent a substantial improvement for the club relative to their current situation.
With this headline….waiting for the “Mariners owner complainers”.
I’m sure the Cardinals and Astros have a deal in place for the last week of July.
Cardinals willing to eat zero salary it sounds like.
So many twists and turns, I’m so riveted. On the edge of my seat with bated breath. (Not really.)
Rockies’ fans probably the only ones enjoying this
The bar is obviously very low for what gives Rox fan enjoyment. At least the cards aren’t going to try to replace him with a Kris Bryant contract!
Yep, they’re wondering who their Rockies are paying $10M for Arenado to play for.
I’ll admit this story gave me a tingle.
Is it legal to bate your breath?
only if you’re the master at it
When got sad when I read, “More to come…”
No Traction…the Lousy GM shapiro and his lackie are still in Toronto …
The Nightmare continues….
Is it possible this is a misinterpretation? Maybe there’s “No Trashcan” Between Cardinals, Astros In Nolan Arenado Talks?
Maybe you need to find some fresh material
Sorry, it was an easy, throwaway comment. I didn’t mean to ruin your weekend.
“Ruin your weekend”…Hey, comedy is a risky business and you have to be willing to take the slings and the barbs.
Personally, I thought your “no trashcan” comment was pretty funny, but I also get that Astros fans are fairly tired of hearing them.
I keep pondering if the Yankees aren’t sneaking in on Arenado. Perhaps the reversal on the facial hair policy was a bit of a signal to a player with a no trade clause, as well.
His jon trade clause is only enacted if a player named Jon is included in the trade. So I doubt the facial hair policy comes into play.
This commenting system is ludicrous. I miss the old Disqus format. The autocorrect from how slow the system is is pretty bad.
Pretty sure Arenado wasn’t the tipping point on the Yankees beard policy.
Not saying he was. But it was a good way of broadcasting that without letting the cat out behind the scenes.
The Yankees really don’t want Donaldson 2.0….3 year commitment for big money, with a player declining on both offense and defense……exactly who positives do you see other than the Cardinal doing handstands if they could actually trade him……
Sure, he may be declining, but if the Cards are paying down, he may be a reasonable option, maybe even fit their budget. If you look at the 30 starting 3B in MLB, there aren’t many better. Its a sad statement.
No thanks, Donaldson also gave the Yankees one good season in his first….(and in fact considering again ballplayers so did Rizzo and how’d that turn out also)…….and then it was downhill from there….don’t care how much the Cards pay down, internal options can hold the fort and may surprise either good or bad….and if bad, there’s always the trade deadline when they’ll be players that can play 3rd well available……the Cards wouldn’t be so desperate if they felt he had lots left in the tank…..
They’re preparing for Guerrero next year at 1B
Vlad isn’t coming to the Yankees. He has said as much. I know he backed off of that but what happened is his agent and dad told him to shut up because he was potentially costing himself millions by publicly eliminating the Yankees.
Id be utterly shocked if he’s not a Cub. Doesnt he despise the yankees?
If I was a betting man….its Cohen big bucks and the Mets.
@Joe Randy Johnson signed with the Yankees so anything is possible. I think Vladdy said what he said in jest in an attempt to create a rivalry. He was also a young 20-something y.o. kid then. With that said, I don’t think they should sign Jason Giambi 2.0. for the long-term commitment required.
YBC it’s possible but I think in the end, he uses the Yankees to drive up his price. Not sure what team. I think the Mets will show some restraint unless Alonso opts out which I don’t see as very likely. Maybe the Cubs pony up for him.
How? They have Alonso back now
The Cards aren’t trading him to the Cubs
@Dock
I read something yesterday that the Yanks were one of the teams he approved a trade to.
Joe – Precisely. Vlad is using the Yankees, as he should. No team should be eliminated, especially one with deep pockets.
With that said, how could the Yankees sign him and not go deep into the 110% tax bracket? Other than Goldie, Devin and Grisham there’s not much money dropping off after this season.
Neither Nolan nor Vladdy are going to the Cubs IMHO.
@Fever
Vlad Jr. had made it clear on several occasions that he had no intention of ever playing for the Yankees. Something happened between his dad and the Yanks, similar to Giffrey Jr. taking the same stance. Yanks might do their due diligence, but I don’t think they would fall for being used to get him more money.
No. There was a The Athletics article yesterday that the Yankees only checked in with the Cards when they initially announced that he was available to them. They never had any high level of interest.
YankeesBleacherCreature- Didnt see that. Thanks.
I don’t understand why any team would want to take on Arenado’s contract. 3 years for a guy already showing pronounced decline, that’s a really bad contract.
If he can play around league average, the time to trade him will be around the deadline. He’ll probably be open to different teams then, depending on how the season shakes out.
@Luke: As far as teammate this guy is a pad his stats empty calorie loser. Suspected it years ago, but heard it from a teammate who couldn’t praise Blackmon enough by contrast. Wasn’t about personality or bitterness-straight candor. Certain players are spreadsheet darlings and wilt in consequential moments. Zero surprise he wants to be LAD-ride actual winners like Freeman/Betts.
Raise your hand if you find this story tiresome.
Yes..yes…yes…a thousand times yes….who cares about Nolan Arenado already.
Anyone willing to go ‘all Jane Austen’ on us needs to be taken seriously. Please, no more Arenado trade talk!
Shocking!
Not so much.
Well…..it really isn’t a sexy trade
You guys want him?
I would love him…but i might be the only one
The irony of all this is that, for all the talk of their rebuilding, their need for a rebuild, etc.– the Cardinals have more than a decent chance of winning the rather-even NL Central this season. They did, after all, win 12 more games in 2024 than they won in 2023, and could easily improve some more in 2025. They should hold on to Arenado and go for it
Alan53, the real answer which is being ignored.
So Arenado gets to be in a clubhouse where he’s not entirely welcome while blocking younger players. Nice.
Not welcome? Who in the clubhouse doesn’t want him there?
Right, the current ownership and lame duck front office, is the group that wants to move him. It’s payroll politics if anything along with wanting to give Gorman guaranteed starting reps at 3rd
All it is two teams talking as St. Louis has yet to ask Nolan if he willing to waive his no trade clause to Astros, otherwise it wouldn’t do any good for St. Louis if they can’t get him to say yes to Astros
He wants to know the trade offer before deciding which has been the case since day 1 when Mo and him first spoke. Nobody is a villain here and they both have a very clear mutual understanding of the situation.
I don’t understand the attention Arenado got this offseason. He’s projected for 3ish WAR, is 34, a hefty (but fair) contract and declining numbers since his MVPish 2022. Any team with a hole at 3B would be happy to have him, but give up something for him, and have to roster him through 2027?
The leverage is too evenly spread out for me to expect much to happen. His deal has an equilibrium to it makes me think if he retires in ’27 it’s as a Cardinal.
I actually truly hope they hold on to him. Gorman isn’t fit to wash Arenado’s jock strap. After this year his salary drops a fair amount and then down to 14 million in ’27. Hold him unless he demands a trade. He evidently isn’t worth much of anything to other teams and his experience, work ethic and pedigree is beneficial to the organization beyond what he does on the field.
I think there is some smoke here and Mozaliak had to send out his PR piece Woo before it became a fire. So seems like just a matter of time. Astros brought in Brendan Rodgers, but splits outside of Coors seem like he’ll eventually get cut and the Astros are still needing more on the infield to shift Altuve to LF.
34 as of 4/16/25. Declining numbers. Expensive contract for 3 more years. Unless the Cards pay a notable portion going forward… big no thanks.
Yankees shouldn’t bite. Too many times (Rizzo, Donaldson, etc.) they’ve brought in an overpaid older player, and it just hasn’t worked. If they really can’t find an answer, they can trade for someone fat the deadline
Dana Brown: “Hey John, it’s Dana. Has Nolan changed his mind yet?”
John Mozeliak: “Nope”
Dana Brown: “ok”
Here’s the deal. 3B Arenado ($32 million) and RP Helsley ($7.5 million) to Phils for DH Schwarber ($20 million), SP Walker ($18 million) and INF/OF Kennedy ($750,000). On Phils, Arenado, Bohm and Harper play 3B, 1B and DH interchangeably. Cards get young, versatile infielder/outfielder prospect, starter and power hitting DH while Phils get closer they need, added bat they need, and improved defense.
A lot of stories posted for no real story. Someone is desperate.
Seems like the could have been just an Update to the previous post… Oh well, gotta pad out the home page in between Dodgers news.