12:50pm: The Mets informed reporters, including Tim Healey of Newday, that Montas has a high grade right lat strain. He will get a platelet-rich plasma injection and be shut down for six to eight weeks. That will take him roughly to the start of April, at which point he will have to start ramping up again. Even if he is back to full health at that point, he’s likely going to miss at least a month of the season.
12:40pm: It’s a lat injury, per Jon Heyman of The New York Post, though the timetable is still unknown.
11:41am: Mets camp has only just begun, but Mike Puma of the New York Post reports that free agent pickup Frankie Montas has not been throwing and will be shut down for a “significant stretch.” Details surrounding the apparent injury have not yet come to light. The Mets signed Montas to a two-year, $34MM contract back in early December. He has an opt-out opportunity at the end of the season, though a prolonged injury absence will obviously reduce the likelihood of that coming to pass.
Without details about the injury or expected absence, it’s hard to say how worried Mets fans should be. Regardless, it’s not ideal to be starting camp with one of their key offseason investments already behind.
The Mets were facing a significant rotation overhaul this winter, with Sean Manaea, Luis Severino and Jose Quintana all hitting free agency. They had also lost Christian Scott to Tommy John surgery last year and Paul Blackburn had undergone a spinal procedure. They still had Kodai Senga, though he missed most of 2024.
Given the club’s big spending in recent years, some expected them to go after the top free agents, but they took a different route this winter. They never seemed particularly interested in guys like Corbin Burnes or Max Fried, instead opting for short-term pacts. They re-signed Manaea with a three-year deal, and also gave three years to reliever Clay Holmes with the idea of converting him to a rotation job. Montas got two years with an opt-out while Griffin Canning got a one-year deal.
Injuries have been an issue for Montas recently, most notable a shoulder issue that required surgery and wiped out most of his 2023 campaign. He was back on the mound last year with uneven results, posting a 4.48 earned run average and tepid 22.6% strikeout rate. That latter number did tick up to 28.7% after a deadline deal to the Brewers, which is perhaps what gave the Mets some optimism that he was back on a good track, but health may now be an issue again.
That shoulder surgery is one reason why Montas hasn’t been able to log many big league innings. He also received an 80-game PED suspension in July of 2019, putting his breakout on hold. The pandemic-shortened 2020 season then capped him at 11 starts that year. He tossed 187 innings in 2021 but then the shoulder issues slowed him down late in 2022 before the aforementioned surgery. Amid all those stops and starts, Montas has only once hit 151 innings pitched in a season.
If Montas is behind, then a season-opening start on the injured list seems likely. Until more details are reported, it can only be guessed whether the concern will extend deeper into the season. Assuming Montas does start the season on the IL, the Mets project to start the campaign with a rotation of Senga, Manaea, Holmes and David Peterson, with Canning, Blackburn and Tylor Megill options for the back end, though Blackburn also might start the season on the IL. Prospects Brandon Sproat and Blade Tidwell should be in Triple-A, though both struggled at that level last year.
If the Mets want to add some more depth in the wake of this Montas news, they will have options. The free agent market still features guys like Quintana, Andrew Heaney, Spencer Turnbull and others. Marcus Stroman, Jordan Montgomery and others are likely available in trades.
Per RosterResource, the payroll is at $331MM and the competitive balance tax at $325MM. The pure payroll was in a similar spot last year, though they got their CBT number all the way up to $358MM. Whether they want to add more payroll to continue adding to the rotation remains to be seen.
Tylor Megill
Q!
Want Jordan Montgomery?
Assuming the dream trade scenarios are out of reach (eg, Cease), I would trade for JM.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not again!!! (megill)
Moderately hot take: Megill might be better than Montas. Megill was a completely different pitcher when he returned to the majors in late August, armed with a new, Zack Wheeler-esque sinker that stuff models grade as one of the league’s best, and more importantly, got great results. Prior to August 30, he had a 5.17 ERA, 4.08 FIP, 26.3 K%, and 10.5 BB%, with a 99 Stuff+ and a horrendous (esp. for a starter) 90 Location+. Stuff was mid, command was awful, and consequently, so were the results. But from August 30th on, with the sinker well-integrated, he posted a 2.32 ERA, 2.75 FIP, 28.1 K%, and 7.8 BB%, with a terrific 108 Stuff+ and 103 Location+. Great across the board. It was only 31 IP, but stuff models stabilize very quickly, so there’s real reason for optimism. A fifth starter with a wide arsenal and a ~20% K-BB? Sign me up!
sadly its about options at this point. The only optionable pitchers are Senga, Peterson, Megill and Reed so just because its beginning of season they are going to keep Canning and Blackburn unless they are absolute garbage in spring training and megill shows he is probably a 3 or better.
I think Megill deserved a shot though for the 5th spot or at the minimum long man in the pen but the number crunch will probably push him the AAA again to start the season.
By sinker do you mean a Boger Reshens Foosball Slider?
nah he used that slider at the beginning of the season and more heavily in the summer months and become so awful they sent him to the minors where they told him to ditch it for the sinker and look at that he did much better.
they should ban that pitch, It is ineffective and even worse causes pitchers to have to get TJ surgery. Perfect example is Frankie Montas used it when he went over to the yankees and we see how well that turned out.
I have to butcher the name or our favorite commenter will blow up the comment section. Interesting that he was using it and switched.
Sadly indeed, because you’re right about the optionality issue (which Mendoza alluded to in his presser today). But I suspect at least one of Blackburn and Canning will crash and burn, and end up getting DFA’d by midseason. Megill just needs to keep his chin up, dominate in AAA, and make it impossible for them to keep him there.
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Good point!!
A guy has been so healthy and now gets an injury just blows my mind. How could this happen?
When they are done with surgery he will be Frankie N. Stein.
Guess the Mets have a deferred rotation and deferred post-season.
MLB will need to find a way to make contracts non-guaranteed. Maybe pay them half salary if they play half of the season with proof of injury on the IL.
Good luck negotiating that in collective bargaining.
And why do you think it’s OK to not pay players who get injured doing their jobs?
Montas is a former PED guy coming off shoulder surgery. How could this possibly have gone wrong for the second highest spending team in all of baseball? Fortunately, Stroman is just a short cab ride away and I heard the Yankees will pay at least 67% of Marcus’ salary for 2025 and 2026. Letting Quintana go was a mistake.
Quintana is still available
what you saying will no last to long owners and GMS will have a answer to all those injuries just at the start of every spring
They’re sitting on the bench doin what?
How do you know what players are doing at a given time?
Last time I checked Quintana is available. Also, we don’t want Stroman back. He’s a cancer in the clubhouse and burned his bridges in Queens with his racism
Burno
Sorry you can’t handle a proud black man and have to call Stroman names.
It is fair to say that Stroman has a huge ego (as do many payers ofall races and ethnicities) and some teams liked him and others did not in the clubhouse. He was liked in Chicago until he mouthed off about not getting a new contract. Then he burned his bridges with ownership and management and he did it when his results turned from ace-like to poor, possibly from an injury.
More importantly, Stroman is now an innings eating 5th starter and not that great. I completely get why no one wants him, but calling him r@cist is incorect, he is a decent guy in the community trying to build people up not take them down. If he was on the free market, I would say he is a number five starter who should get a $3 million base salary with the chance to get another $3 million in incentives on a one year deal. That means the Yankees will have to eat a lot of salary to move him.
Blue Baron
Good luck negotiating that in collective bargaining.
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It’s like the posters demanding a salary floor. As if one side or the other will unilaterally give the other side $100M.
deadspin.com/marcus-stroman-goes-full-kanye-184972…
This the same guy who called THE ENTIRE METS FAN BASE racist and trash lmao.
“he is a decent guy in the community trying to build people up not take them down”
Do you have any anecdotes to support that?
as everyone else is sit here and I have said before, this all happened perfectly predictable and I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened and now it did. Good for the Yankees though, maybe the Mets could use Marcus. Will even give the Met a discount, you give us McNeil or maybe just salary relief is enough. it is.
I think Stroman is worth more than $3 million, he’s a pretty good picture. Still, he was good for the Yankees last year at least in the first half, he was plagued by bad defense behind him which was not his fault. He might be better than a number five pitcher maybe even a four or three. He’s worth something to someone who needs a picture. if I was Cashman, I’d be on the phone with the Mets right now to work out a deal.
Alex Cobb and Matt Boyd set this years minimum for starting pitchers at $15MM. If Stroman was a FA, he would probably get that amount.
Piazza Party
I can’t speak to his work in Toronto and while with Mets, just Chicago. He was the Clemente award nominee in Chicago in 2023 and in New York with Yankees in 2024. Maybe he matured as he got older, many people do.
mlb.com/news/marcus-stroman-s-community-impact-as-…
mlb.com/news/marcus-stroman-nominated-for-2024-rob…
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blockclubchicago.org/2023/06/07/cubs-star-pitcher-…
marqueesportsnetwork.com/marcus-stroman-hosts-loca…
None of this makes him a great pitcher, just saying that even with his ego and mouth, seems like he gives back to the community.
Wow damn that’s crazy
They didn’t let Q go so much as they simply chose not to re-sign him, and he’s still available if they change their minds. He’s 36, and not actually a true talent 3.75 ERA pitcher anymore, though I imagine he wants to get paid like one, and thus is still a free agent. Besides, the Mets likely believe that they already have Quintana at home, in the form of Paulffin Cannburn (Griffaul Blackning? Blackcann Burning?)
Not that I think the Mets should trade for him or anything (for baseball and contract/payroll reasons), but the “Stroman is a clubhouse cancer” stuff is mostly nonsense. Ask a Yankees beat reporter, and they willi tell you that he’s actually quite well-liked in that clubhouse. He’s been well-liked in other clubhouses, too. Yes, he’s outspoken. Yes, he does things his way. But I’m willing to bet that, uh…under a different light, shall we say, he’d be perceived pretty differently by fans. You know who IS indisputably a clubhouse cancer? Trevor Bauer. I wonder what the overlap is between the “Stroman is a clubhouse cancer!” crowd and the “SIgN TrEVoR BaUEr!!111!” crowd is. Once again, I’m willing to bet that it’s distressingly significant.
Thank you for the informative post, Top100. Stroman’s 2024 was a 4.31 ERA, 95 ERA. Mediocre, not terrible. Career ERA in CitiField, 3.43, 110 innings. In Yankee stadium, 5.60 in 133 innings. The guy’s a subway token away from being a decent pitcher.
I also believe this clubhouse cancer stuff is BS. Lots of ballplayers say dumb things, Daniel Murphy perhaps. Murphy just kept his mouth shut afterwards, and continued to have an excellent career.
The only question with Stroman, and some of the other pitchers named, is the price.
Queue the Dylan Cease “rumors.”
*cue
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KK
Haha @piazza you’re prly right. I suck at grammar.
FWIW, both your grammar and your spelling were correct, in this context.
John de Lancie enters the chat.
or michael king
or luis castillo
“Ima Starter” Stroman is right there for the taking.
Haha. You can keep him in the Bronx…
He’s better than Montas. Even when healthy. Montas was a monumentally stupid signing.
no thanks. We’re not buying what he’s selling any more but unfortunately, I think we’re gonna need them before the season ends probably before the spring training ends. Someone’s bound to go down they always do. He’s not great but he’s confident that that’s all you need as a fill-in.
Bridge already burned.
Actually, Stroman for Marte actually makes some sense now in light of both teams’ recent injuries. And the money is almost even.
Not with Stroman’s option for 2026.
And he’s a clubhouse cancer.
Stroman’s 2 seasons with the Mets were better than Montas’s career year – which was half a decade ago. And the amount of Stroman’s player option (which may or may not ever vest) is almost identical to the amount they guaranteed to Montas.
El Nono
Re: Cease
Why, are the Mets trading Soto back to the Friars?
Look at all these rumors… surrounding Cease every day
Get in line with that take
I have no idea why any GM thought he was worth a big contract
That’s not a big contract for a starter.
Your mets are a pretender.
It is if the pitcher can’t pitch.
That’s your opinion
Yes, $17 million a year is a lot
Yes it is
And if you think it isn’t then we have crossed the barrier to insanity
For a starter in 2025, relatively speaking, it really isnt.
He hasn’t been average (ERA+) since pre-trade 2022 with OAK. He’s been not good on 3 teams since (NYY, CIN, MIL). This signing was a head-scratcher when it happened so early in the offseason, but it seems like “In Stearns We Trust” after 2024 pitching slaps.
For a starter with Montas’ history it is.
@DugoutJester
For a 4-5 starter, yes it is.
That’s your opinion
Well I guess the MLB is insane because that’s average starting pitching money.
Then why is it so difficult to trade Stroman and his $18.5 million who is a bargain compared to Montas who sucks and an injured prone bum!
Stroman hasn’t been a brewer yet
Because nobody wants to deal with Stroman and his drama.
Maybe its because Stroman is a cancer to every clubhouse hes been a part of *shrugs*
With Stroman it is more of a problem between the ears rather than between the lines. He sucks. Head case.
It’s a shame that Cashman did not see this when he signed Stroman. No one wanted him and he gave Stroman 2 yrs + an option. He is a cancer.
Stop being so intelligent
Most teams can’t afford a 17 mil AAV value period
And this is for a guy who is a league average starter
What team can’t afford it. Do you think any Mariner pitcher won’t be paid more then that in arbitration years?
Taijuan Walker got $18 million a year on a contract signed two years ago. So you can definitely make a case that Montas was worth $17 mill.
@Hammerin
so what your saying is because Javier Baez is getting paid 23M Jose Iglesias should be looking for a contract around 25 since he was better than him?
That contract looked risky when it was signed…treacherous beginning
Crash and burn.
One can only hope.
Crash and Blackburn, you mean?
huge mistake to sign him
ive been saying it all offseason
and its alredy a disaster, we’re not even playing ST gms yet
Nostradamus over here
What a shame. I had high hopes for Montas this season with NY’s pitching lab.
Fortunately, the Mets have some depth, but it’s not a good sign for this risky signing.
Who’s the next signing? John Means ?
Get those medicals first…..
Oops. Hit Post Comment, and the very next story indicates Means is with the Guardians.
What depth? Blackburn isn’t going to be ready for Opening Day either. Megill and Canning are now in the 6-man rotation.
Maybe the Mets will be smart and move Butto back to the rotation were he belongs.
Butto to start, and sign David Robertson to set-up Diaz, as was originally planned 2 years ago.
Assuming Mets got Robertson would you still prefer him to set up Diaz or prefer Minter?
I’d let Minter prove he’s 100% with that surgically-repaired hip. But it’s not a bad thing to have RH/LH elite setup options based on how the lineup falls in the 8th.
It’s Minter by a mile. Robertson’s post-Mets stint was pretty ugly in Miami.
Thats not entirely accurate. Go back and look at his game logs or monthly splits. He was terrible his first month with Miami then settled in and pitched well his second month. The numbers are tainted because the sample size is so small. Even if he were poor that whole stretch rather than just half of it, that was two years ago. He bounced back to pitch very well last year.
He got annihilated in the playoffs with Miami as well. I’m a huge Robertson fan, but he’s not a sure thing anymore.
Agreed, he’s not. (And at 40 years old, no one is a sure thing in baseball). But he was pretty sure last season. And in the suggestion made here, he would only be a co-setup man, along with Minter. Say what you want, but just about any bullpen in baseball gets stringer by adding him to their mix.
Robertson’s stint in Miami was a weird, anomalous blip. And it was driven by some bad outings early on. He was great with the Rangers last tear; still struck out > 30% of hitters, and the stuff still graded out great. It’s weird that he’s still out there, even at his age.
Dedniel Nunez could be a good 8th inning option. He already was for a while last year.
Agree, if he can stay healthy.
The Mets rotation is bad.
Our 5th of 6th starters is injured! Let’s pack it up and plan for 2026
Your rotation is bad.
It will be a top 10 rotation in baseball.
We’ll see if Senga holds up. Peterson had a career year. Canning and Blackburn are Dumpster retrievals. Holmes hasn’t been a starter for 9 years. Rock solid. And being 10th ensures an early playoff exit, if you even get there.
As much as people are overreating, top 10 rotation is just silly. Stop it.
You definitely got the “rotation in baseball” correct . The “it will be top 10” part however….tough to say when the rotation is filled with 4 or 5 guys(outside in Senga)
Therealeman
Agree with your evaluation except for Holmes
There’s plenty of examples of RP transitioning to SP and many didn’t have resume that Holmes has. He also has one of the best sinkers in the league.
It’s a question for sure but I don’t think it’s as bleak as “hasn’t been a starter for 9 years”. Like that feels more like a misrepresentation
Honestly the NL trophy should go to LA now. Incredible off season.
The Mets staff was 13 last year and the Phillies 11th. The Mets are getting Senga back and added dramatically to their bullpen and I believe Holmes will be better than Severino. Unless you think losing Quintana will be a dramatic loss they will be top 10.
The Phillies had no 5th starter last year. They had the worst production in the league in that spot. They now have a combination of Luzardo and Painter in thar spot with Waljer for depth. The Phillies 1-4 was amongst the best in all of baseball and that’s still there. The Mets rotation has more question marks than it did last year. The Phillies literally plugged their weakness with a strength. I still think they Mets are better overall because of their insane lineup and bullpen, but I think the Phils starters are significantly better and last year’s numbers were skewed by thr Phils 5th spot.
Ummmh…no.
Valid points.
I agree with this. However, the Phillies bullpen probably took a small step back. The core hitters are aging and Crawford and Miller aren’t quite ready. Unless the Phillies see Stott, Marsh, Rojas even Bohm — two of those guys — have better years than 2024, I agree with whoever posted they look like an 87 win team.
I’m only talking starting pitching here. Like I said, I think the Mets are better overall because of that lineup. But the Mets will not have a top 10 rotation unless something drastic happens. And the Phils rotation is very good. Mets lineup and bullpen are elite IMO.
Tiers as I see it (no order among them intended)
Dodgers
(Snell, Glashow, Yamamoto, Sasaki, and… oh yeah, some guy named Ohtani, with depth 3 deep)
Teams with 3+ playoff starters:
Yankees
Seattle
Padres
Phillies
Dbacks
Teams with 2 guys and some wildcards:
Blue Jays
Red Sox
Pirates
Guardians
Royals
Tigers
Teams with 1 guy and a whole lot of variance:
Mets
Orioles
Rays
Braves
Rangers
Pirates
Brewers
Astros
Teams not looking ready:
Reds
Cubs
Giants
Twins
Teams still in the league:
Angels
A’s
Cardinals
Marlins
Dumpster fire:
Rockies
White Sox
Your assessments are pretty good except I think the Reds might be a lot higher then you think.
Top 10? Most likely no. But it’ll be probably somewhere around 11-15. A lot of things would have to go right to be top 10:
Manaea – repeat last year’s performance; not a sure thing
Senga – return to form from a year-long injury
David Peterson – see Manaea
Clay Holmes – conversion to starter would need to work
Montas/Megill/Blackburn/Canning – be league average
Sproat – make debut and pitch up to the hype
And of course, stay healthy. There’s just way too much to have to go right for them to have a top 10 rotation.
But one good thing is that they don’t have to be a top 10 rotation in order to be a playoff team. The offense was one of the best in the league last year, brought back practically everyone, and added Juan Soto. The bullpen (on paper, at least) is improved. Mets will be a good team, but the rotation will likely be a weak spot.
Wrong
Can’t win NL east , third is likely with this staff.
And this is why these contracts should not be guaranteed. The MLB needs to be more like the NFL.
Screwing players over by injuring them for life and then telling them to pound sand. Yes that is a real good system.
Truth. If anything the NFL should be guaranteeing contracts for the guys that get hurt. They’d certainly treat them better if they were stuck with the guy thru the end of the deal (eg stop playing, get surgery, get PT rather than pain killers and tape and then cut them if anything doesn’t heal right).
We’ve had our first LOL of the spring and you’re saying baseball should be the NFL?
no, that the nfl sucks for not guaranteeing the deals it signs with players.
Never saw this coming. Is he somehow related to Giancarlo Stanton? Or do workout together in the offseason?
Can Soto pitch?
Nope. He can’t run or play defense, either.
Sounds like a bargain.
Cards have a matz for sale.
what a waste
I’d rather Montas be hurt early than Senga or Manaea, but not a great start to his Mets tenure. This is why Stearns emphasized depth. He should be thought of as our 5th starter behind Senga, Manaea, Peterson and Holmes, so Canning or Blackburn should be capable to stepping into that role.
Ugh staff my friend. Falling far behind the Phillies.
Phillies are going to win 85 games this year. They aren’t running away with anything.
Lol. Let’s bet money on that. Please.
The Phillies go 6 deep with a kid named painter . waiting for his day. No converted relievers , hoping liking Holmes. Come back when you are a bit more informed about America’s pastime, youngster.
Well the Mets have a couple youngsters too, old fella. Painter hasn’t pitched in two years. I think that is being a bit more hopeful than a converted all star reliever and your relying on a magical bounce back year from a guy with a 5 ERA.The Phillies were what they were and it wasn’t dramatically different then the Mets.
Luzardo as a 5th starter vs literally no 5th starter last year. If you don’t see that as a significant change then you don’t know baseball.
” Come back when you are a bit more informed about America’s pastime, youngster.”
How arrogant does someone have to be to even think this sentence?
Your laughing at pecota projections? One of the top projections out there? They have them winning 85 games and missing the playoffs.
I don’t think you fully understand pecota projections and how they were way off last year as well.
Luzardo as a 5th starter with his minuscule 5 ERA or getting Senga back. Yes I’m sure that works out for the Phillies. Everyone of your starters will have a worse year than last year besides Luzardo.
Pecota had the Phils at 83 last year. They won 95. Pecota had the Phils ranked at 85 this year. Basically what this means is, Pecota is essentially worthless if you don’t get the context. Barring injury, I don’t think the Mets starters are anywhere close to the Phils. Manaea is the only guy I trust, and I expect a decline. I still think the Mets are a better team though. That lineup is insane.
“Manaea is the only guy I trust, and I expect a decline”
That’s interesting Von, why?
I feel like his arm angle from June on was an epiphany and I’m excited for a full year of it
Better than Fangraphs who are always drastically off. They are just projections. I just think a lot of Phillies had career years that won’t be duplicated. I’m sure Harper will have a monster year. Schwarber will be good but not like last year. Turner and Realmuto are good but in the decline. I’m not a fan of Bohm at all. Wheeler is a monster but starting to age. I’m sure he will be great but still drop in stats just because he was awesome last year. Your other starters are good but not great and don’t differentiate with the Mets starters at all. I don’t see much diffrence in staffs besides Wheeler.The Mets have flaws too. I’m not fond of Nimmo or center field. We can always use better pitching. Who doesn’t.
Simple odds. That was a career year. Hitters didn’t have tape on his new angle. They now know what to expect. I think we’ll see hitters be more prepared against him. I still think he’ll be very good, but not as good as last year.
Not 1 Philly had a career year last year.
I know. Like 10-15 did.
Over/under 87 wins Phillies Mets Braves. I got Mets Phillies over Braves under
I think Braves win division in ’25, Mets Phils Battle for wc
The Braves still have massive injury problems and have players on the decline. I think they are 3rd in the division.
That’s not true at all. Literally no one had a career year offensively. You’re talking nonsense.
Cause their best players are old now, most are in decline
Ironically, the old guys aren’t the problem. It’s the young guys who need to step up in the clutch.
Nonsensical drip drop .
Someone who actually knows something about the sport chumley.
Phillies will runaway with this division
Mets are a 500 team at best my friend.
Have another slice of piazza and learn something here.
Von you are wasting your time, this child is a newcomer to our sport.
Mute yourself
Johnny
Mets won 89 games and now have a better line up and bullpen, you think they’re a 500 team? How?
I think their pitching is significantly weaker. I think their manager is a definite weak link. My opinion.
Piazza let’s be real, the Phillies starting staff is the best in baseball.
That’s great for the Phillies.
The Mets won 89 games last year with the 15th best pitching staff in the league and now the line up has improved.
Your opinion is we’re going 81-81 due to pitching staff and Mendoza mistakes?
@Trotski The intent wasn’t to give a #5 starter on a wildcard team 17m with a 17m opt in for 2026. By definition (the definition of 17 million dollars), Stearns has to have seen Montas as at least as promising as someone like Quintana.
Can the Mets opt out since the season hasn’t technically started yet.
Pretty alarmist response to a 6 week injury for the 5th starter
Exactly. Mets expected injuries. Their rotation is not great in terms of top end talent, but it certainly has depth. This injury tests that depth, but doesn’t impact their season drastically. If they get another pitching injury on top of this that’s a different story.
I misread your comment Perrault, my apologies
What a genius move by GM know it all. Any GM who discounts real pitching deserves to crash and burn and that is what you are witnessing. Stearns has done nothing but set this team back with such horrible pitching all around. Buffoon.
They don’t have horrible pitching and saying so is being a buffoon.
The Mets have pretty pitching and are a distant 3rd in the NL East in the pitching department
Pretty *mediocre* pitching
What roster are you looking at???
What would you have done? Name one alternative instead of your E N D L E S S stream of derogatory comments
Best predictor of future injury is prior injury.
But the best mitigation plan is collecting a lot of arms. To their credit the Mets did amass a heap of pitchers.
Here come the Mets
Mets gonna Met..
“Met town”..LMFAO
Cue the Met crybabies..
Good point bro!
The Mets 5th starter going down for 6 weeks is as good an example as there can be to prove NY is a Yankee town forever!!!!!!
/s
Imagine…..he could be out for the year and the club is on the hook to pay him every penny….I know the union would never allow it, but it seems like in long layoffs the salary should decrease to the league minimum or some other fair (%) reduction. I’m pretty sure with most other jobs, you have to go on disability or something eventually, Hey, the league minimum is like 800k now(?)….seems like no hardship there. I know most people have no sympathy for club owners, but I bet the lost wages ANY club faces each year due to injuries are staggering….
That won’t happen. Guaranteed deals regardless of one’s performance or availability run contrary to human motivation, but owners are good with it since they have upper hand in the pre-arb years…..and arb years since only high $ if player doing well.
Besides, if deep pocket teams could get out of paying guys large chunks of FA money, they could hog/outbid for even more talent by playing the math some will have long IL stretches.
The Yankees were victims of a similar situation when they acquired Montas. Seattle got Luis Castillo so Cashman traded for Montas as option number 2. After pitching pretty well for the A’s up till that point, Montas got bombed in his 1st Yankee start and went on to pitch a mammoth 39 inns, for the Yanks with a sparkling 6.39 ERA and was shut down after that till he pitched 1.1 innings for NY at the end of the next season after recovering from whatever ailed him and was let go. One of Cashman’s most pleasant trade memories.
Please see my comment at the time of signing here:
mlbtraderumors.com/2024/12/mets-sign-frankie-monta…
How did he pass a physical?
A Trevor Bauer signing makes sense.
Bye BITA!
Don’t worry the Pitching Lab will fix him!
Pitching labs don’t heal injuries.
They may alter deliveries to help mitigate injury risk but they don’t, AFAIK, offer medical services.
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This was a bad deal to start with and now it’s getting worse. Golden boy Stearns isn’t the genius that he thinks he is. Do I hear $34 million being flushed down the drain?? Yes! Yes I do.
Do I hear someone crying into their pillow because the 5th starter is gonna miss 5 starts? Yes! Yes I do!
Happened while signing the contract
Writer’s cramp is a significant soft-tissue injury!
Stroman would be the perfect replacement
Billy
Mets and Stroman have bad blood, as he does with every team he’s every player for IIRC
Oh boy.
Montas is a Yankees legend along with Sonny Gray. Looking forward to both of their Yankeeography episodes on YES in the future.
Can we have a collaborative one with Gray, Montas, and Gallo narrated by Randy Johnson?
Not Randy Winn?!?!?
If the Mets need a starter I know another NY team that has one available….granted Mets leadership and their fans can forget about his social media antics during his tenure with the team.
Yankees eat $9M and call it a day for a lottery ticket.
Honestly, I’d do Stroman for Marte as Stanton insurance.
Salzilla- INTRIGUING
Actually, right now the Yankees would trade Stroman for any player that could pass a physical if the trade partner would pick up half of the money Stroman’s still owed.
It’s a win for both teams…and Stroman.
Th next Dylan Cease trade rumor is being typed up as I post this!
I’m surprised it wasn’t in his post.
Overreact much Mutts fans? Calm down. If you were depending on Montas for more than middling rotation help you were dreaming. There are alternatives out there if his injury is serious.
Dylan cease step on down
Jett Williams
Blade Tidwell
Jonah Tong
Serrano III
IMHO that’s an overpay
If I’m the Mets, I pull the trigger. Prospects are gambles. Mets can win now. This isn’t going to break the farm either.
It’s our top prospect who looks suited for CF, a position we don’t have any long-term options at.
I want to see what he becomes more than I need 2025 to be the year we go for it all w a rental.
Also, if we got Cease during the season maybe we can do it without losing Jett
Yup. I can count on one hand the amount of top Mets prospects who worked out.
I’m not sure you can hold the current Mets development system accountable for what transpired before they were brought on
I’m not blaming anyone really. The vast majority of prospects don’t pan out on any team.
@ Easy Just another fan fantasy trade idea. Its been reported that SD wants at least one MLB pitcher, with the rest of the package being mostly close to MLB-ready prospects including a pitcher.
SD went on record as saying that they expect to open the season with Cease.
If you don’t start with Sproat, don’t bother
Bring Quintana back
Agreed!!
#4 or 5 SP. Watch the worst element of NYM fandom overreact. Also – vague reporting by Puma. Tells us very little.
That was such a stupid signing. He hasn’t done anything outside of pitcher friendly Oakland.
They would’ve been better off bringing Quintana back. Montas is garbage.
700 plus million to go 81-81.
It all hinged on Montas? Our 5th starter out of 6?
Mr. Magoo could have seen this one coming
And Stevie Wonder
And it begins.
Shocking. Maybe.
They need to get on the phone with Seattle and pry a pitcher before they break camp. Clifford and Mauricio gets the convo going. It makes sense
Hey, where did I leave that Post-It Note with A.J. Preller’s cell number written on it?
Well, there goes Montas’ prediction a few weeks ago that the Mets would have 5 aces in their rotation to start the season.
All the money spent on Soto they refused to sign/trade for an ace.
That’s not accurate at all. They ran out money lol?
Megill and Acuna for Luis Castillo
Hurt locker
Marcus Stroman and Jordan
Montgomery are who I want to see
Both are rebound candidates. If Stroman can be considered that rather than just done.
Stroman is a fine backend, groundball starter who needs a good infield defense behind him. Yankees didn’t have that last season. That’s my pitch to the Mets.
That is so stupid.
No surprise here. This was a bad signing to begin with. Money that could have been lumped with Alonso dollars to sign an ace.
Who specifically should we have gotten?
Severino. The concern was his injury history but the Mets instead signed this guy, who had more recent injury concerns and a guy who has never been stretched out as a starter in Holmes. The biggest problem with the Holmes and Montas signings were how quickly they were made. If Stearns showed the same patience he showed last year, multiple guys fell in price. Flaherty was an obvious guy who ended up signing a cheaper deal than both those guys
Severino? He got $22M for 3 years I don’t think the Mets would’ve wanted to go that far.
Holmes came up as a starter btw he’s been stretched out before
Burns. The Mets dished out $48M per for Montas and Alonso. Wasted dollars.
There’s was zero chance Corbin Burnes was signing with anyone other than the Diamondbacks. Get real.
Th Mets should consider using a pitching machine instead of retread humans.
What’s a retread human?
I must have missed it but why are teams reluctant to sign Montgomery? He was a hot commodity not too long ago.
Montgomery is overated and overpaid. I don’t want him anywhere near the Mets
First time I’ve ever agreed with you.
He’s on Arizona, they’d have to trade for him
Time for Stearns to trade the diapers in for some big boy pants. He needs to pull the trigger on the trade all of us have been waiting for:
Ronny Mauricio and Blade Tidwell for Kyle Gibson.
He’s the cy young type of talent we need now more than ever. Jimmy has garbage bags to take out.
“Ronny Mauricio and Blade Tidwell for Kyle Gibson.
He’s the cy young type of talent we need now more than ever.”
I dk if you meant someone else but Kyle Gibson is in his late 30s with a career ERA over 4.5
People were worried about resigning Severino because of his injury history but were completely ignoring that the Mets signed this guy, who had pitched less in the last 2 years, and a guy who had never been stretched out as a starter. Should have just signed Sevy. I will die on that hill
Trevor Bauer
Looks like the Mets could sure use Jordan Montgomery?
Ha!
The Mets need to just go with the pitching they have or sign a guy like Lance Lynn. No need to give up a prospect. If they can get Montgomery or Stroman as a salary dump then sure. But I didn’t have much faith in Frankie Montas anyway. I wasn’t expecting much output from him that couldn’t be replaced by Butto, Megill, Blackburn, or Griffin
DR have to do better on MRI so much coincidence every big contract they get hurt so easily
K Senga will be next.
Marte,McNeil and a prospect to Arizona for Montgomery Dump for dump
Marte for Montgomery straight up. The money’s about even, I’m not giving more than that.
Once again you can’t spell mets without LOL … this time the full squad barely arrived in Port St. Lucie.
“Once again you can’t spell mets without LOL”
This is such a fantastic self-own. What a tool lmao.
Asking Mets fans, what do you think the FO thought they were getting for 2 years, $34M? He wasn’t good last year, 2023 was a washout–Oakland traded him injured to the Yankees in 2021, who got a total of 40IP out of him. Sorry to see him injured. Surprised that anyone would pay so much
He got the market rate for a guy who is likely to throw 100-150 IP, which was what they wanted. We’re not trying to win the WS off the rotation, we need innings eaters.
Call 1-800-TRV-BAUR
Just sign Quintana back. He had a really good year last season. He’s steady.
@JGCNYYGBP The only thing Quintana is steady at is giving up big hits
Wow I’m shocked (sarcasm). This is what Dollar Tree David gets for his construction of the rotation. Montas and Clay Holmes should not be on this team. He is going to go the cheap way and have one if Canning, Blackburn, or Megill take Montas’s rotation spot. If I was the GM, I’d call up the Cardinals and do a Sonny Gray for Marte + Jonah Tong and Kevin Parada right now
Dollar Tree David outspent every other team by 630 million dollars you fool.
Nobody takes you seriously because your comments read like a nut job screaming on a subway platform at 2AM
@PiazzaParty Cohen forced Dollar General Stearns to sign Soto, Alonso, and Winker. Stearns’s moves have been Montas, Holmes, and Nick Madrigal
Oh dang I didn’t know that. Did he text him or was it email?
Bringing Sonny Gray back to New York would be the biggest LOL of them all.
Sonny Gray wouldn’t waive his no trade clause to go back to New York if you stuck gun to his head and threatened to pull the trigger…
Stroman for Jeff McNeil. Make it happen Cashman!
Stroman for Marte makes more sense from both a position of need (on both sides) standpoint and also financially as their salaries are fairly similar
Ummm, NO…..it doesn’t. Yankees need a starting 2B or 3B to fill out their infield. We already have Dominguez, Bellinger, Judge & Grisham in the OF….along with Waldo that can play there and the rookie Pereira.
Trevor Bauer would be an excellent addition.
He already signed in Japan!
The fact that loosing the oft-injured and severely underwhelming Frankie Montas actually hurts the Mets rotation proves why they’re a 3rd place team. LOL relying on Montas and Holmes to get quality starts on a consistent basis. I wish you could leave laughing emojis here. Better hope Kodai Senga stays healthy that absolute “stud”
“the fact that this team is hurt by a player they signed being hurt shows you why they’re in 3rd place”
Wow. Sick analysis. You really dug deep there w that pseudo-logic word salad.
“I wish you could leave laughing emojis here.”
Of course you do, because you’re here to troll.
Also even middle school children could replace emojis with words, why can’t you?
He’s not wrong tho that Frankie Montas is a rebound candidate and was expected to anchor the middle of their rotation. A team that spent nearly 800m on Soto. Other than the great headline when he signed it does appear that the Mets are ticketed for third place.
I think I was pretty clear on the fact that Frankie Montas and Clay Holmes were ticketed to be BIG pieces of the rotation because they spent all their money on 1 player. *Laugh emoji* Did this mere observation hurt your fandom? Get mad at Cohen and Stearns. Kodai Senga is your ace that’s sad Met boy.
Quintana on line one…
Shocker!
Next shocker will probably be Clay getting lit up.
Jeez, the Reds overpaid him last year with a 1-year, $16M contract.
So, of course the Mets went into “Hold my bitter beer” mode and gave him more than twice that amount over 2 years.
“gave him more than twice that amount over 2 years”
Another way to phrase that is “the same amount”.
Montas was always a terrible signing. 2 years $34 million yikes. There were so many better option. Maybe Desi said he will make montas into the second coming of Pedro Martinez . Who knows what the logic was. So many better options.
Who?
and here we go. What a surprise. This guy never wants to pitch or is never able to pitch. I knew this was going to happen. He did with the Yankees too when he was with them. He hardly pitched at all once they signed him, he was always injured. And even when he wasn’t that brief period he was not good. My dad will be any different now.
Been upgraded to Tommy John surgery……..The pen to sign that contract was to heavy
I’d move on from some of these sick bay types and get a solid, dependable, starter like Cease that was mentioned above. It seems the same every year. Let’s go Mets!!!
The Mets cannot go crazy and make a dumb trade and trade away our prospects so how about Marte or McNeil to Arizona for Montgomery, I would like to trade McNeil and start Acuna at 2b than resign Iglesias to backup 2b/3b.
You want to trade the only player on the team who is likely to be a competent regular at 2B and is also able to handle a corner OF slot—and who finished 2024 with a .900 OPS in his last 172 PA?
Giving him away for Montgomery when AZ would be content to dump Monty for salary? While treating Marte and McNeil as interchangeable?
Because Acuna had 19 excellent PA before defaulting to a .618 OPS for the rest of the regular season while giving nothing in the postseason?
People that say he his making the average salary for a starter are so out of touch with reality that it’s insane
Do the math, if every starter was making 17 million a year then teams like the pirates and A’s and Rays would have much much higher team salaries
Do the research before you spit out insane statements
According to google AI
As of January 2025, the Pittsburgh Pirates’ payroll was about $77.4 million, which is about $10 million less than it was at the end of the 2024 season
4 starters at 17 million a year is 68 million
Funny—as in genuinely amusing—how Cohen had Stearns shopping in the bargain bins for Montas, Canning, and Stanek then did an end run around him to sign Alonso for 30m and block at 3B the Mets young players likeliest to turn into competent MLB regulars in 2025.
The O/U in Vegas on Stearns walking is down to 2.8 years from today.
Not that I think the Mets should trade for him or anything, but the “Stroman is a clubhouse cancer” stuff is mostly nonsense. Ask a Yankees beat reporter, and they willi tell you that he’s actually quite well-liked in that clubhouse. He’s been well-liked in other clubhouses, too. Yes, he’s outspoken. Yes, he does things his way. But I’m willing to bet that, uh…under a different light, shall we say, he’d be perceived pretty differently by fans. You know who IS indisputably a clubhouse cancer? Trevor Bauer. I wonder what the overlap is between the “Stroman is a clubhouse cancer!” crowd and the “SIgN TrEVoR BaUEr!!111!” crowd is. Once again, I’m willing to bet that it’s distressingly significant.
Sorry, inadvertent double post!
I’m sorry, as much as we need another solid starter, I would have to pass on Stroman, and leave it at that. Let the A’s sign him.
“Looks like everything’s coming up Millhouse.” — Steve Cohen (probably)