Major League Baseball’s 30 owners and commissioner Rob Manfred are having some scheduled meetings in Florida this week. One item on the agenda was approving John Seidler as the Padres’ control person, which MLBTR covered earlier. There are plenty of other issues going on around baseball, which Manfred discussed with Evan Drellich of The Athletic and Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times.
This winter has seen a lot of talk around the overlapping issues of competitive balance, a salary cap and player retention. Most of that talk is related to the Dodgers. That club spent heavily last winter on star players, including Shohei Ohtani, then went on to win the 2024 World Series. They followed that up by adding even more star power this winter, signing Blake Snell, Roki Sasaki and others. In the wake of the Sasaki signing, MLBTR polled its readers about a salary cap with roughly two thirds of the votes being in favor.
“No,” Manfred said, when asked if the Dodgers are ruining baseball. “I don’t agree with that. The Dodgers are a really well-run, successful organization. Everything that they do and have done is consistent with our rules. They’re trying to give their fans the best possible product.” However, he did make it clear he’s aware of the frustration coming from other fanbases. “I recognize, however, and my email certainly reflects it: There are fans in other markets who are concerned about their teams’ ability to compete, and we always have to be concerned when our fans are concerned about something. But pinning it on the Dodgers, not in that camp.”
As mentioned, the idea of competitive balance or parity has come up a lot in baseball circles lately. Those who believe baseball doesn’t have a parity problem will point to the fact that baseball has been fairly dynasty-proof lately. No club has won consecutive World Series since the 1998-2000 Yankees. The Dodgers, for all their might in the regular season, just won a title in a full season for the first time since 1988. Smaller clubs like the Rays, Guardians and Brewers have stayed steadily competitive in recent years.
There are various counter arguments. Per Shaikin, it was discussed at the owners’ meetings that only two clubs outside the top ten markets have managed to win a World Series in the past 20 years: the Cardinals and the Royals. The inability for lesser-spending clubs to retain star players is also a frequent bone of contention in certain fanbases. Mets president of baseball operations David Stearns, who formerly had the same job with the Brewers, addressed that issue with Mike Mazzeo of Sports Business Journal, vaguely supporting measures to improve player retention without specifics. That was another issue Manfred touched on today.
“Continuity in terms of players in particular markets is an issue that’s relevant to the marketing game,” he said. “Obviously, fans get attached to players, and that’s a great thing. We love that. That’s part of fandom, it’s a good part of fandom. We always try to keep the desire for player continuity in our minds when we’re talking about building a system. By the same token, I’m kind of a free market guy — players at some point in their careers, have to have a right to — I mean they have to — have a right to decide where they want to play.”
The hope of salary cap proponents is that it would help in many of these areas, the idea being that reining in clubs like the Dodgers would increase the chances of smaller clubs keeping fan favorites, as well as helping their prospects of winning on the field.
Getting a salary cap in place, however, would be another matter. It would have to be collectively bargained with the MLB Players Association and the union has long been opposed to a salary cap. The owners made a serious attempt to get a salary cap in place 30 years ago, which led to the 1994-95 strike, during which there was no World Series played for the ’94 season.
In a separate piece at The Athletic, Drellich writes that the owners have been discussing whether or not to push for a salary cap. The current collective bargaining agreement runs until December of 2026, so a cap could potentially come up in negotiations going into the 2027 season.
Whether the owners will be intent on pushing for a cap is a big unknown. Different clubs will naturally have different priorities for CBA talks, depending on their respective financial situations. A club like the Dodgers will be less interested in a salary cap than some of the lower-spending clubs. Drellich reports that the “opinions among owners are mixed.”
Last month, Dodgers president Stan Kasten and Orioles owner David Rubenstein gave different opinions of baseball’s economic landscape. Kasten opined that the Dodgers’ spending is good for baseball while Rubenstein voiced support for a cap. Manfred admitted today that the cap is not the only way to address baseball issues. “I am a huge believer in the idea that there are always multiple solutions to a particular set of concerns,” he said.
The position of the players is more clear. As mentioned, they have long been opposed to a cap, as it would have a negative effect on players’ earning power. Tony Clark, executive director of the MLBPA, attempted to shift the focus to the other end of the spending spectrum. “The league, and the owners it represents, have been predicting doom for decades to justify more restrictions on salaries,” Clark said, “but the game is healthier than it’s ever been. The real question is: Why aren’t all teams, across all markets, using the resources we know they have to put their best foot forward in an effort to be the last team standing?”
Discussions of salary caps often lead to discussions of salary floors, since there are several clubs that are not aggressive at all in terms of spending on players, compared to the Dodgers. The Pirates, for instance, haven’t given a multi-year deal to a free agent in almost a decade. Their three-year deal for Iván Nova in December of 2016 was their most recent such pact.
Overall, the league is indeed healthy, as Clark alluded to. Since the introduction of the pitch clock, MLB itself has flaunted the increases in fan attendance and TV ratings. Last month, Maury Brown of Forbes reported that league revenues hit $12.1 billion in 2024, a record high. That doesn’t even include “ancillary revenues attached to the clubs such as mixed-use development in and around ballparks, such as The Battery around Truist Park, home to the Atlanta Braves, club-owned RSNs, or companies such as Legends Hospitality, which is co-owned by the Yankees.”
That league-wide economic health naturally benefits some clubs more than others, particularly when it comes to broadcast revenue. Certain popular clubs such as the Dodgers, Cubs and Yankees have at least partial ownership of their respective regional sports networks (RSNs). Smaller clubs like the Padres, Diamondbacks, Guardians and Twins have had their RSN deals collapse and now have the league handling things, a model that is widely believed to bring in significantly less revenue.
Per Drellich, changing the revenue sharing model is another point of discussion among owners. There are currently 14 clubs* that receive revenue-sharing but the owners could always agree to increase how much money is flowing downhill. Mark Walter, controlling owner of the Dodgers, gave his perspective on that matter to Shaikin. “I don’t think we’re there,” he said. “We’re probably trying to find something that’s in the best interest of everybody.”
Uncertainties in the broadcast model will also have to be a consideration for the owners as they weigh the pros and cons of pushing for a cap. Even if something like a year-long lockout could hypothetically get the players to agree to such a thing, there would likely be significant negative consequences for the league-wide health that was referenced earlier. Broadcast ratings and attendance would surely drop after such a stoppage, as they did after the 1994-95 strike. It has been reported that 2028 will be a big year for the league, as they look to market a large package or packages of games to various broadcasters and/or streamers. A lengthy period of canceled games would likely be hurting the overall attractiveness of the product just before that pivotal moment.
Manfred has said in the past that he is proud of the relative labor peace of his tenure, with no games having been lost due to a strike or lockout. He is not planning to seek another term as commissioner and is therefore slated to be gone by January of 2029. Unless that changes, he would have to be willing to change that track record on his way out the door in order to lead the owners through a significant stoppage.
There are many moving parts and various different ways of looking at all these issues. Players and owners will often have opposing viewpoints. Large-market clubs and smaller clubs will have different priorities, as will star players compared to fringe players. Baseball fans will be sprinkled all over those different camps to varying degrees.
Many in the baseball world believe another lockout is inevitable. The 2021-22 lockout lasted from December to March of that offseason, though the two sides eventually got a deal done just in time to avoid losing games. Given the apparent strife between the owners and players, many believe that a lockout will become rote with future negotiations. That’s a sentiment that Manfred seems to share.
“In a bizarre way, it’s actually a positive,” Manfred said to The Athletic last month. “There is leverage associated with an offseason lockout and the process of collective bargaining under the [National Labor Relations Act] works based on leverage. The great thing about offseason lockouts is the leverage that exists gets applied between the bargaining parties.”
The union sees it differently. “Players know from first-hand experience that a lockout is neither routine nor positive,” Clark said. “It’s a weapon, plain and simple, implemented to pressure players and their families by taking away a player’s ability to work.”
The two sides could always start talks well in advance of the end of the current CBA, though Manfred downplayed the possibility. “I’m one that likes to bargain early, but we’re still two years away, even if you’re thinking you want to bargain early,” Manfred said. “We got time on that front. And I think the time is particularly important right now, because we do have things going on in terms of the economics of the game — local media being the principal one — that the longer we wait, the more it evolves, the better decisions we’re going to make.”
Drellich also relayed another formality of this week’s meetings, noting that Athletics owner John Fisher and Mets owner Steve Cohen have been added to the owners’ executive council. Those two replace John Middleton of the Phillies and John Sherman of the Royals. The six continuing members of the eight-member council are Paul Dolan of the Guardians, John Henry of the Red Sox, Greg Johnson of the Giants, Ken Kendrick of the Diamondbacks, Arte Moreno of the Angels and Bruce Sherman of the Marlins.
* (Diamondbacks, Rockies, Reds, Brewers, Pirates, Marlins, Athletics, Mariners, Tigers, Royals, Twins, Guardians, Orioles, Rays)
The fact you have to keep posting things like this says otherwise.
Honestly, how would this dope (Manfred) even know if the Dodgers are ruining baseball?
His check didn’t bounce.
Everything is A-ok!
I’ve said it before. Implement rules that favor teams keeping their own talent as long as they remain on that team for the full season. Reward teams by only counting 50% of the salary against the taxes on deals 5 years or more. Even if the team can’t afford to keep him, a benefit like that will certainly increase his trade value as teams will compete to get that edge when the player gets to free agency.
Buck – Manfred has access to MLB financials, that’s how he’d know.
Again, fans have a skewed perception of what constitutes success and what constitutes failure.
As long as baseball continues to generate record-setting revenue and profits, and team valuations continue to skyrocket, owners will view MLB as being successfully run.
And as long as player salaries continue to soar, players will view MLB as being successfully run.
Finishing 6th in title game viewership ratings says mlb isn’t doing as good as people think they are
and the Diamond Sports Group bankruptcy suggests those tv contracts were vastly overvalued.
“As long as baseball continues to generate record-setting revenue and profits, and team valuations continue to skyrocket, owners will view MLB as being successfully run”
That’s exactly right, Fever. The sole reason a franchise wants to go deep into the playoffs and win the World Series is purely profit driven. They don’t care ONE IOTA about winning it to make their fans happy.
Not true. Rich guys still love when thier sports teams win. And rich guys who own sports teams want to show they are better than thier other rich friends by building a winner
That’s the owners of the past.
ghost – There are some owners that do care about winning, but not many.
Cohen wanted to win, and lost a fortune trying in 2023.
Steinbrenner is desperately trying to break the 16-year drought.
Seidler wanted to win before he passed away.
Lucchino wanted to win when he came to Boston.
Davis wanted to bring the Rangers their first championship, and spent a fortune to get it.
But yeah most of the owners care more about profits than rings.
He definitely knows that the Dodgers are not the ones ruining baseball because he’s the one that’s ruining baseball
Amen
Cash..you are giving Manfred way too much credit he works for the owners and does exactly what they allow if you want to blame someone for things Manfred is doing blame the owners since they pay him and have all the power to fire him. the fact he still has a job tells us he is doing exactly what they want.
he wouldn’t. You’re right nor would he care as long as he gets his paycheck.
Cash: You beat me to it. Manfred can take his rule changes and cram ’em.
The owners pay him.as with anything follow the money
The Dodgers aren’t ruining baseball, MLB is ruining baseball. To wit John Fisher was promoted to Executive Committee of MLB yesterday.
Dodgers content means more traffic for MLBTr
fred – Would be interesting if Tim published counts of views & comments per team.
The one time I will agree with him.
Owners like the Seidler Bros are ruining baseball.
I give them a temporary pass. They made a big push. Courts complicate stuff. I get it.
I’m excited that Dodger fans will be in charge of the Padres. I’m just kidding the late owner was also a Dodger fan but that all changes when you’re in charge of another organization.
His grandpa owned the dodgers, right?
Yes
His grandfather left the Dodgers to his uncle and mom.
Yup kicked down the doors of those families in Chavez Ravine and bulldozed their houses down to ground to build Dodgers Stadium .
Cap and floor . Problem is the revenue issues . Top revenue teams don’t wanna give up their ability to outspend the others . The bottom can’t keep up so it’s in their best interest to punt on winning.
Wrong
Right
Today I love dodgers. When I have 29 owners bitching about the turnstiles and viewership, I will condemn the dodgers. Just give me until October. I go where the wind taketh me
They added Cohen and Fisher to the Executive Council. That worries me more than anything that the Dodgers have done.
MLB – They do have a fair mixture of representation on the council. There’s the two small market team owners (Athletics and Marlins) that offset the two large market team owners (Mets and Red Sox), and actually John Henry has been running the Red Sox like a small market team for the past 5 years.
The Red Sox have not been spending like a small market team. They have been spending around the luxury tax threshold every year and went over in 2022.
All, it’s the long term deals that Henry is not spending on, relatively speaking to the revenues earned. He should be reinvesting even more in players. Instead he allocates based on return rates. Baseball revenues should be kept in the sport.
Dewey: I think the Red Sox are being smart and only signing younger players to long-term contracts such as Devers, Bello and Rafaela with more to come.
Allin – Agree 100%. The Red Sox have spent up to the luxury tax, but many of the free agents have not been worth the money and contracts they have received (prompting salary dumps soon after signing).The long term contract money will be used by the Red Sox on in house players like Anthony, Campbell, Casas, Mayer…., and has already been spent on Bello and Rafaela.
Free Agents over 30 are often not worth and money or years that are being asked for.
Same day Ippei is sentenced to 57 months.
Lets see what happens with attendance when a single team is 20 games better than all other teams at the break. Attendance will decline.
Came here to say the exact same thing. Can’t hate the Dodgers…they’re just taking advantage of the rules better than anyone. Problem is that the rules are ruining baseball.
A handful of teams might have a shot to crack into postseason (with only 2-4 having a real shot of winning it all). Meanwhile, the rest of the league goes through the motion of mediocrity and/or sheer embarrassment (all while having to listen to ownership spit their ridiculous rhetoric about their “commitment to winning” – which is an insult to all of us)
They have to keep posting things like this because it is news and the challenged readers who have fixated on the Dodgers as villains need to read it.
No. An article”like thus” validates that a significant number if people are concerned. Writing an article “like this”does not validate the concern is true. This is a subjective area anyway. And as it stands MLB set a record for revenue in 2024.
of course he’s going to say that. Fact is, MLB is letting the Dogers’ ruin baseball.
Bowie Kuhn would have stopped this nonsense immediately. Manfred should be getting a job more to fit his skillset…..drive thru at Dunkin Donuts.
Kuhn might not have personally agreed to what the Dodgers are doing but as Commissioner he wouldn’t stop a single thing they’ve done.
I disagree….He stopped the Joe Rudi and Vida Blue trades.
He stopped both those trades so that Charlie Finley couldn’t sell off every player he had for cash to get payroll down to nearly zero on the eve of free agency.
Kuhn sent both proposals back to the relative teams and asked them to rework them. The A’s were just selling off everything, not caring what they got in return. Kuhn considered that a threat to the game.
Kuhn had no problem with those players getting traded to those teams, and he had no problem with the A’s making bad trades. But destroying his own team to make payroll $0 was not in the best interest of baseball. If anything he was more against tanking than super teams.
Phew thats good news.
Hahaha exactly!…perfect comment lol
A strike would be bad for baseball
Why would him posting this over and over have anything to do with a strike? He doesn’t have any influence over the parties involved and neither do fans.
He’s wrong
When has he ever been right?
I can’t think of any times.
Sure but, if they were, would he say so?
no, he wouldn’t
No Manfred, you are.
Can’t wait until he retires getting changes of baseball from him is like trying to pull teeth
I’m surprised he even said the word dodgers, I thought he would’ve “dodged” the question by acting like there is no problem in the first place
If it takes forever for bonds and McGwire to get disciplined for steroids, it will take forever for a salary system change
sad – What about the subject touched upon in the article regarding player continuity?
People complain about teams like the Rays who behave like a minor league farm system by getting rid of quality players before they are due for free agent salaries. Who is forcing them to do so? Glasnow and Snell are on the Dodgers because the Rays refused to give them the salaries they deserved and instead chose to trade them.
Why do so many not understand this constant dumping of star players is a big reason why Rays attendance is so low.
Let’s hold the right owners accountable, the greedy ones who care more about profits than winning.
I can’t imagine the Rays owners are rolling in money.
Preach it!!! $ternberg is the worst. So many players traded when he could’ve paid them a decent salary so they would stay. Crawford, Longoria, Upton, Price, Shields, Davis, Moore, Morton, Meadows, Glasnow, Arozarena, Paredes, Adames, Eflin, Snell, I’m sure Fairbanks, Diaz, and Lowe are next in line to go. Spend some money, $tu!!!!
@fever Greedy owners, wtf? They bought that business to make money not lose any money. I work for a multi billion dollar company and still get paid 25 dollars a hour while the so called “greedy owners” don’t do anything but sit back in the office. It’s called capitalism.
Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.
I call players greedy for the simple fact who can’t live off $250 million dollars. I would have to only work one contract and retire to be set for life. I would sit on the bench all season for even league minimum. During the regular season, you don’t have to pay for anything on top of getting paid your regular salary. You even get a food allowance on the road and hotels. Baseball players lead a very good life.
hayzee – Do you mean annual profits, or personal wealth?
The Rays had a profit of $68M in 2023, compared to the Yankees with a $2M profit and the Mets with a $292M loss.
The Rays even had a larger profit than the cheapskate Red Sox who made only $62M.
Judge – I have one simple question for you.
Do your more successful competitors share their revenue with you?
Once you realize MLB is a 30-team partnership, then you’ll understand.
See the dodgers can sign Glasnow to 5 years 125 mill and survive him getting hurt missing games cause they can afford to sign other guys to replace him. He makes up what 1/12 the payroll? (25 mill out of 300)?
Rays sign him to that deal they can’t afford him to go down with constant injuries tying up 25 mill (at best 1/5 the payroll at 125 mill) into one player.
Who’s forcing them to do so? The market.
No way rays can out bid Mets Dodgers Yankees and no way the rays can survive a bad contract like Dodgers Mets Yankees. So they have to trade guys early or risk losing them for a QO pick cause they’ll be out bid for their services. Trading them early nets more of a return than a simple QO pick.
Rays don’t have the financial backing the dodgers have. You’re talking about the rays who have at best 1 billion financial backing vs the dodgers who range anywhere from 3-5 billion in financial backing. Not even close to the same resources.
Easy – If the Rays extended their players early the same way teams like the Braves do, then there would be no need to outbid the Dodgers in free agency.
Ironically the only time they did give an early extension was Wander.
Takes two to sign an extension my guy
You’re assuming the rays players will sign an early extension.
Why would they? What incentive is there for them to do that?
The way those contracts work is the player gets a pay raise but the team acquires free agent years at a reduced price
so while the player earns more during the arb years the team acquires cheap free agent years.
Its a beneficial agreement but again takes two parties to consent and you’re assuming guys like Snell or Glasnow or anyone else are amendable to signing a contract early instead of testing the market and letting bidders drive up their price.
It’s not just a given rays present them with a team friendly contract sacrificing free agent years and said player eagerly agrees to put pen to paper immediately.
I’m sure many teams would love lock a corner stone player to a Corbin Carroll contract. But again player has to agree to said terms.
Easy – Rays players are no different than any other team’s players. They will sign early extensions for the security, as they would no longer worry about injury or poor performance hurting their future earning potential.
Wander signed a huge extension, didn’t he? If the Rays make a fair offer, players will sign. How many players have the Rays even attempted to extend?
You make it sound like Tampa is an awful place to play, it is not. Indoor stadiums are very appealing, temperature controlled without having to deal with the elements. For Latin players it’s very close to home, which is also appealing. There’s no state income tax, which is also appealing. And they do have pretty good scouting and development there, which means they could be perennial contenders if they just spent some money.
The Rays problem is the are obsessed with spin rate. They are among the leaders of teams with the most Tommy John surgeries the past decade. Why? They sign these guys who are no names but have max spin rate. Kyle Snyder finds ways for them to get more rpm on a curve, and 6 months later, UCL tear, Tommy John, out 18 months. If they would just let their starters use whatever pitch they have and locate the pitch instead of trying to out spin everyone, guys like Glasnow, Rasmussen, Springs, McClanahan, etc wouldn’t throw their elbows out. That problem could be solved with an overhaul of their pitching philosophy as well as an owner who is willing to spend so they don’t have to cut corners and try to out-SABRmetric every team in the league.
Fever Pitch Guy, you are totally right. You need to talk some sense into some of these Rays fan who think the ‘Rays way’ is the way to go instead of $tu spending some money. The answer is to do it like the Tigers in the early 2000’s did it. They had a nice crop of rookies with Verlander, Bonderman, Zumaya, Inge, and Granderson, but the owner spent money on some top shelf free agents like Rogers Pudge, Percival, Young, Guillen, White, Ordonez, and Vina. They didn’t have to rely on outthinking the opponent, using openers, pulling starting pitchers in the 4th inning. They just outhit and outpitched their opponents and got to the World Series where they should’ve wiped the floor with the Cardinals, and later the Giants.
Just think. In winter 2019, had they signed Charlie Morton AND Gerrit Cole, they would’ve had Cole, Morton, Snell, Yarbrough, Wacha, and the rest of their staff in the e playoffs. They were 2 wins short of a title. I think Cole could’ve easily got them 2 wins. But $tu was cheap, and idiot Rays fan praise how smart their front office is, and celebrate an AL title while they could’ve won it all.
@Judgement Day. First of all, great name. And good reminder for all of us that our time in this planet is limited.
Second, your capitalism is spot on. While I don’t like what the LA Dollar$ are doing, they are doing what any larger or small business owner would do: build the brand and maximize profits. Any one whoever started or owned a business can understand this basic concept.
The players or workers will be paid how much they deem are worth ROI. They get paid to perform and take selfies and promote the brand. And yes they are vastly overpaid.
For us fans, we are the real suckers. We don’t get any profit sharing and/or dividends for the team’s success. We just fork down $200 for another man’s last name on our shirt just so we can feel good about ourselves. Then when our favorite team makes the playoffs, we shell our 1-2 months hard-earned income to watch the team play. What a hamster cycle of life we live!
If it was that easy alll players would sign team friendly extensions early.
How come dodger players don’t sign team friendly extensions early? Why didn’t buehler or miller or lux or seager or bellinger or any of those guys sign team friendly extensions early?
You can name a handful of guys who signed early extensions. I have a list a mile long of players who didn’t.
Why is my list longer than your list? because it takes two to sign a contract.
Never once said Tampa was a bad place to play. Idk where you got that idea. Probably same place you got it’s easy to sign young players to extensions. What I did say, and have said this entire time, is players aren’t willing to sacrifice free agent years at cheap rates as easily as you believe even if means increased financial security early.
Juan Soto is the rule while wander Franco is the exception.
you also have to factor in wander Franco’s legal troubles as reason why he signed early for guaranteed money.
I’m sure the dude took the deal knowing he had a dirty secret that would screw him and his pay day down the road if ppl found out.
Soto turned down a fair 440 450 mill offer from the nationals seeking his pay day.
Even if pirates approach Paul Skenes with a franchise record contract he’s gonna pull a Garrett Cole and be willing to test free agency. Dude has 0 reason to sign long term with the Bucs seeing what dodgers are paying
Same goes for a lot of teams super stars. Early extensions are rare cause players see guys give up so much money they could have gotten if they waited and don’t want to make that mistake.
I’m sure teams approach young players all the time with a fair offer they can afford We will buy out your arb years but in return we get 2-3 free agent years below market. That’s a fair deal. But why would a player make that deal? So they can earn what 50-100 mill early and lose out on 180 mill 200 mill 250 mill or more later on? No. Their agents are telling them don’t take the offer wait till free agency in a lot of instances.
A player is more likely to head to free agency and test a market than sign a deal that pays them well below market value past the 6 years of control.
Easy – Now you’re just being silly.
Dodgers players don’t sign extensions early?
Glasnow, Mookie, Edman, Will Smith to name a few all signed longterm extensions before becoming free agents.
It’s common knowledge if you want to keep a player you sign him to an extension early, while he’s still under team control. Because once he becomes a free agent and tests the market, he is almost guaranteed to get offered more from another team.
You do realize for teams to actually offer a fair market extension, they need to include the player in their longterm plans …. right? You don’t just give extensions to every player.
Give me a list of Dodgers players who were offered extensions but turned it down, since you’re saying players often turn down extension offers.
Easy – Umm …. Wander’s extension had nothing to do with his personal issues.
A guaranteed longterm extension is worthless if you’re on the restricted list, because it’s without pay. So the extension offered no type of protection as you claim.
Obviously putting together a list of players who were officially offered an extension and refused would be impossible since they aren’t always made public. But for every Soto you have a Trout, Stanton, Witt, Sale, Franco, Devers, Jose Ramirez, Altuve and many more.
MLB team profits are not released to the public. These are pure speculation.
Traded for glasnow last year of his arb didn’t sign him for any of pre arb years
Traded for mookie who already was past arb. Didn’t sign him for any of his arb years
Traded for Edman didnt sign him for any of his pre arb years. Think Edman was in his last arb year as well.
Will smith didn’t cover any of his pre arb years. Covered his last arb year
You can’t even stick to the criteria you’re talking about regarding teams signing guys early. Dodgers signed none of those guys early like Braves do.
When’s the last time dodgers signed someone to a Braves style extension.
M’s – It’s highly credible estimates based on many highly credible sources.
“Revenue and operating income (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) are for the 2023 season and are net of revenue sharing, competitive balance taxes and stadium revenue used for debt service. Ownership stakes in regional sports networks, as well as related profits or losses, are excluded from our valuations and operating results, as are investments in real estate and other businesses. (For all-inclusive sports ownership valuations, see the 2023 Sports Empires rankings.) Sources include sports bankers, team and league executives, public documents like leases and filings related to public bonds, and media rights experts.”
Betts turned down an early extension from Red Sox
Machado
Lindor
Guerrero Jr
Soto
Jon Gray rejected Rockies extension
Scherzer rejected a tigers extension
Aaron judge rejected an early extension offer from the Yankees testing free agency
Carlos Correa rejected Houston’s extension
You’ve got 8 I’ve got 11 so far wanna keep going?
Easy – The Braves do the very early signing because they aren’t huge spenders like the Dodgers and Yankees.
The Dodgers can afford to wait a bit longer, which is always a less risky approach.
You know why the Yankees hardly ever do early extensions? Because they prefer waiting until the player is a free agent, and they can afford to pay them free agent prices.
Anyway I gotta wrap this up, so getting back to my original point ….. if the Rays were to give fair market extension offers to their best players, the players would almost always sign. Then fan interest would rise because of the familiarity and continuity. But as long as ownership continues to pocket huge profits thanks to revenue sharing, there’s no incentive for them to change.
That is the true competitive problem with MLB, not the Dodgers.
Good discussion, you can have the last word if you want :O)
It’s not.
Even your qoute states that not all sources of revenue is included. Including tv money which is one of the biggest sources of teams income.
Saying “the yankees only made 2m last year” while leaving out the probable 100m+ they made from tv money is very misleading.
The mlb is a monopoly, it has no competitors. These teams are just parts of the same corporation.
To act like these teams are normal businesses that are in competition with each other is ridiculous.
If the more profitable teams like dodgers/yankees etc take too much market share from their competitors those competitors will go broke and if those smaller teams go broke then the yankees and dodgers go broke. No one’s going to watch the mlb with only 2 teams.
It’s in the big market teams best interest to keep the smaller market teams afloat.
This is the exact opposite of how actual competing businesses operate.
$tu also does absolutely no marketing for the team. No billboards or signs near the stadium, but you see Tampa Bay Lightning stuff all over town.
They did a half ass job when they came up with the RandyLand promotion, only doing it on Fridays. They could’ve done it the whole week and had a thing like Aaron Judge fans had and it would’ve created a ton of interest in Randy as well as the team. Instead of keeping Randy and furthering the RandyLand promotion, they trade him and now there is no section of fans for a particular player, and faces of the franchise Brandon Lowe and Yandy Diaz are almost sure to be gone by July.
M – Only ownership stakes in RSN’S are excluded. Why would they be included, they are not part of baseball operations
The Red Sox own NESN which generates revenue from all sorts of non-baseball programming including broadcasts of nearly all Boston Bruins games. No way should that revenue be included in the Red Sox revenue figures. It’s the same thing with the Yankees and their YES network.
his job is for LIFE. his retirement will be along time from now.
dpsmith – He’s already announced he is retiring in less than 4 years, when his term ends.
He’s not a judge.
What exactly do you expect will change when he retires? The new guy will have the same 30 bosses. They are the ones who ultimately run things.
Kray – Of course nothing would change, the MLB commissioner will always be a puppet of the owners.
No different than WWE referees.
NFL refs, say “hold my beer while they make sure KC 3peats and all those Swiftie can hug each other.”
Cal – I do wonder if Swifties watch Chiefs games just to get a glimpse of her, I’m guessing some definitely do.
I went through the airport in Daytona Beach, FL the Saturday before the AFC/NF. championship games. Some 11 or 12 year old girl had a t-shirt that read ‘Go Taylor’s boyfriend!’
Of course these brainwashed Swifties watch the game to get a glimpse of her. God help us if she ever runs for president. She could beat anyone, even Chuck Norris.
Is she gonna displace 2 million people? What’s her stance on tariffs? Would she threaten our allies with military action if they don’t surrender land?
If your answer to any of those questions is ‘I don’t know’, then she’s way ahead.
displace 2 million criminals*?
If her stance on tariffs are use them to get what you want and you do get what you want that’s a great business decision.
Would she negotiate a peace deal where if you want peace you’re gonna have to give and take to make it work? Yeah that’s how deals work. Business deals. Peace deals. Land? How many lives will it save? Funny how you’re worried about criminals in the USA not our land but worried about foreign nations land not peoples lives.
I was talking about the ridiculous position on Gaza, the terrible deal made on tariffs, and Greenland and Panama.
Tariffs are just bad, the other two positions are not defensible by sane people.
My bad going off topic. Back to baseball
I am asking this in all sincerity, but why all the hate from all sides for Rob Manfred?? What are the main beefs people have with him? Is he perceived as just a Yes Man for the large market teams?? Is it his rule changes ?? The fact he canceled the All Star Game in Atlanta?? I just don’t get it; I don’t feel one way or the other towards him, sorta just a neutral figure in my book. But it seems like everybody else VEHEMENTLY HATES the guy, and I’m wondering what he did to your mothers because I don’t see it.
It’s because of articles like this. The Dodgers ARE damaging baseball, but since they’re a big market team peeing all over competitive balance, he encourages it.
Mostly his rule changes which were unpopular with fans and players (the PA were completely ignored). He’s ruining the game by gimmick rule changes that don’t attract more fans but alienate existing fans. You listed all the reasons so I’m not sure what you aren’t getting. The All Star game joke politicized the game and he’s generally a clown if you ever hear him talk and what his ideas are for and he jams changes through that no one on the players association or fans want but he doesn’t care.
His rule changes have and will fundamentally change the sport, especially with the inevitable implementation of automatic balls and strikes. The only positive change he has overseen is the pitch clock. He hasn’t advocated and/or pushed for a salary cap which without one, is killing our sport. He doesn’t seem to care about the disparity between large and small market teams. He also hasn’t nixed trades and acquisitions from the Dodgers and other large market teams like a good commissioner should. Commissioners used to do that back in the day like when Bowie Kuhn nixed the Visa Blue trade to the Reds.
Kuhn nixed the trade to the Reds because the A’s were dumping players and getting nothing in return in an attempt to get payroll to near zero by an owner that didn’t care about baseball. It was a threat to the legitimacy of the sport.
Kuhn allowed bad trades, just not a trade that allowed one owner to sell off players and not care what he got in return.
Kuhn would not block anything the Dodgers are doing now.
You’re right on that. I was unaware of the context.
I also don’t understand why people are mad at Manfred either. He is just a PR person for the owners. He doesn’t make rules or decisions, he just follows orders from the owners.
People act like Manfred is a 3rd party alongside the MLBPA and the owners.
He is not. He is the voice of the owners.
Manfred will ruin baseball. He needs no help
The Dodgers aren’t ruining baseball any more than Manfred is…
So they are equally ruining it together? That makes sense actually.
Does this mean that the Yankees and Mets get a pass here?
Nope
No. You’re ruining baseball, Manfred.
Manfred is the one that ruining baseball . He wanted the Dodgers MLB to cash in on the Asian Market . I’ve been watching baseball and have been sick of the major market advantage for 50 years . Nothings changed . They messed up giving teams their own tv instead of nationally .if teams were more equal people would watch the weaker teams . The sport is unbalanced
You’ve been sick of it for 50 years and yet you still watched for 50 years.
Nope I actually lost interest from being frustrated in the equality in teams . Rich teams have advantages and league caters to them . Certain teams haven’t had a losing record for 25 years . Come on unless you are a fan of the major market then you have hope .
Of course !
Giants fan. Solid as a rock.
It’s also possible that many teams are owned and ran by people that either have little interest in competing, or are incredibly incompetent, or both. For many teams this puts them at the league bottom. How else do you account for the A’s outperforming the White Sox? How do you account for every team in the history of baseball outperforming the big market White Sox?
Market size matters. A lot. But teams can only be consistently bad because they aren’t trying or they aren’t good at their jobs.
Dropped – Excellent post!
I guess we shouldn’t be surprised that in many ways baseball fans mirror life these days.
I have neighbors down the street who complain all the time how unfair it is that they can’t afford many of the things I have. I don’t have the heart to tell them it’s because they’ve made many bad decisions in their life. They didn’t get an education, they are lazy and don’t work very hard, and they piss away their money instead of saving and watching their spending. But because I’ve been successful, they feel entitled to have what I’ve got. Well if living a better life was so important to them, they had the past 40 years to do something about it …. but chose not to. That’s on them, not me. I don’t owe them a dime.
So all these fans that are complaining about their team not being competitive, they need to hold THEIR team accountable instead of bashing the Dodgers.
Certainly that’s what Red Sox Nation is doing, holding John Henry responsible. And when you look at how desperate the Red Sox now are trying to sell tickets, it’s obvious the team is getting the message after 5 years of cheapness and horrible decisions.
I don’t wanna go here but I guess I’ll keep it short and sweet.
You can name the game but you must play by the rules.
If baseball isn’t ready to tackle that problem who’s to argue against Friedman today. The man’s a savant. Not a super villain.
He – Friedman is definitely one of the better ones, but he’s not as great as some people make him out to be. If he was, he would have had more success with half the payroll.
Even outside of Friedman the dodgers have 2 seasons since 2005 under .500 2 that’s it.
baseball-reference.com/teams/LAD/index.shtml
None have come in the last 15 years.
Hate all you want by the success or lack of uttter domination. The dodgers are pros pros playing marbles with grown adults acting as children amongst them.
Yes. He’s inspirational
Yeah, let’s listen to Manfred.
of course he says that….he’s on their secret payroll. probably been to a Diddy party, too
LMAO
*popcorn popping sounds*
I don’t believe they are “ruining” baseball, however, I don’t think it’s healthy in the long term for MLB clubs to have such huge disparities in spending to the point a few large market teams can essentially buy their way into the postseason year after year. That said, I think MLB must find a way to more evenly balance team’s spending throughout the league. The Pirates and A’s, for example, are just as much a part of the problem as the Dodgers and Mets.
I completely agree with that, so Instead of a a cap, we at least need a floor so high spending teams can still spend big, but lower spending teams can atleast spend enough to attempt to contend. No more sitting on your hands when talent is still out there that’s able to help your team more than before. No reason players like pivetta, heany, Gibson, etc. Should still be available. They aren’t stars, but they are all capable of helping any team compete.
we need both. a floor alone will do nothing.
There’s already a sort of cap with the CBT, but there’s nothing comparable on the low end aside from the vague threat of the MLBPA filing a grievance.
I’m in favor of increased revenue sharing. Let the owners solve their problems, don’t put it on the players.
I laughed out loud at the headline alone.
Got buried today but the owners elevated John Fisher to their executive committee. What the hell?
Talk about ruining baseball
The other owners must respect the profit numbers he makes
They also elevated Steve Cohen to even it out.
A tale of two owners. It was the best of payrolls, it was the worst if payrolls…
@letsgooakland123
Thank goodness John Fisher got that team out of Jokeland. Now they can be a good team again and heal from that terrible experiment.
Oh Old York Road, you rascal you.
May not be ruining it for Manfred, but they are ruining it for many fans who will soon stop watching. Baseball is already falling behind NFL and NBA. If it keeps going, it will fall behind NHL.
Expanding the Japanese market at the expense of the American markets only favors 1 team
Ticket sales are up, advertising is up, sponsorship is up. Across the board. You might not be happy but that doesn’t contradict the state of the game
I don’t see it that way at all. The tv deals have been border line crisis for 1/2 the league. Then the teams who don’t have that problem are carrying the rest of the league to make it look as you say. Which in turn creates more disparity. That reflects in FA, go to a hand full of teams like NY, LA , TOR and you will get paid handsomely, don’t make the cut into one of those markers and you will make substantially less
So by making some free agents less expensive and being able to add affordably at the margins small and mid market teams are non-competitive why exactly?
You can’t seriously be arguing that a few extra dollars spent to take the NL Central isn’t worth it? AL Central is projected to be within 6 games for 1 through 4. In the AL East all 5 teams are projected to be within 5 games!
According to FanGraphs only one team is projected to finish more than 10% off the mean in win percentage. It isn’t the Dodgers.
That’s competitive and more people will watch this season than last. The health of the game is fine
Says the guy who is ruining baseball.
Very stupid statement!
It’s not the Dodgers its 29 other owners who are cheep and don’t want to spend money on players but wonder why they don’t win Dodgers showing they are doing what ever it takes to win and make their fans happy.
This argument has been thoroughly debunked. Other teams can absolutely not spend like the Dodgers.
C-Daddy,
They can’t spend like the Dodgers, but they could spend more and make a greater effort to win.
Do you really think every owner in baseball doesn’t spend but the Dodgers?
It’s the league gives teams like Dodgers the advantage . There is no equality in the league . It sucks to be a fan of team that can’t keep up with larger market . The larger markets ruin it for the others because they can’t keep up financially . Division is over before the season starts how is that good for baseball .
Division is over because teams don’t care to compete. The Pirates had one of the greatest rookie phenoms in recent memory so very obviously their attendance and viewership was up this year. What did they do? At best their payroll will be the same as last year. Where is that extra revenue going?
The player’s union is killing baseball. Manfred is a puppet for his employer, the owners.
How, exactly, is the players union ruining baseball? I’m assuming you’re belief is that players should have their earning potential suppressed by agreeing to a cap, which has been proven to fail to create this mythical parity some people seem to believe it will bring.
A player has a right to get every last cent they can. If those coins all come from the Dodgers, so be it. I’m not a Dodgers fan, but good for them for doing what every team should be striving to do.
If a team has poor ownership, a cap won’t fix it.
If a market is “small”, it’s usually because it isn’t in a destination city, and a cap doesn’t fix it.
Most teams that “can’t” compete are in the former category, not the latter. And if a market really is “too small”, it probably shouldn’t have a team.
So what, you’re in favor of retracting the league to 8 or so teams?
Because, reality is, there’s a handful of teams that have VASTLY larger resources to leverage to attract players, be it direct financial income, or, endorsement potential they can market to players.
No way LAD isn’t pushing the money players can earn outside of contracts (like how ohtani lives off big endorsement deals) that clubs like KC or PIT never could.
I’d be in favor of contraction over a salary cap, absolutely. There is no magic wand you can wave to make every team equal, though. If you gave every team the same amount of resources, LA is still a more attractive place to play than KC or Pittsburgh is, for a plethora of reasons. The NBA proves that. Everyone has the same resources there, and how many free agents are signing deals with Milwaukee or Charlotte, two teams I specifically picked from opposite ends of the competitive spectrum?
Contraction? Why? Have you ever heard of an owner complaining that they regret purchasing a pro franchise? So let’s contract all the big market teams down to 20. Then what? Revenues go down and salaries go down. And jobs go away. That doesn’t mean ticket and hot dog prices will also go down.
Your logic is to cut off the nose to spite the face because the team you root for doesn’t want to spend.
What are they spending on? What would be the point in paying 3rd or 4th tier players more money for the same mediocre production?
I understand your question. So you take away the New York, LA, and Chicago teams, where do you think the elite free agents will go? The next biggest markets like Philly, Detroit, Seattle, San Diego, etc. That doesn’t change the dynamics of baseball economics because it’s based on local/regional population and their interests. You’ve now shrunken the overall MLB talent player pool but elite and third tier players will still exist. How is any of this helpful for the sport?
I’m not for contraction but if they have a floor they need a ceiling is my point. Saying owners are bad because they don’t spend doesn’t solve anything. My question was what are small market teams to spend on. Coming from your last sentence. Paying tier 3 and 4 players more money to make a pay floor solves nothing just gets mediocre players paid more money. See NBA if you need a good example.
There have been countless research studies whicn argues both sides on whether a salary cap improves competitive balance or parity. The only thing I know with certainty is that a cap will limit players’ earning potential and that the MLBPA is the strongest union in pro sports. Like the NBA, max contract players will have a preferred team destination and can call up their other max contract buddies to form super teams.
It wasn’t the Dodgers who decided to kneecap the earning power of international players; leaving their main choice being whether they want to play for a winner or not. That was a joint effort between the owners, Manfred, and the MLBPA. It turns out there can be negative consequences when trying to control a market.
Good for you. You have looked past the trees and seen the forest for what it is, a corrupt billionaires club with countless millionaires along for the ride. All of them crying poor.
Your point is Manfred ruined the sport on his watch when he actually had a chance to make it more competitive with an international draft. He intentionally stole 100s of millions of dollars from poor international families to make it easier for large market teams, like the dodgers, to manipulate talent disparity by aligning their system with top talent acquired unfairly due to their demographic location instead of the parity of a draft. Your right !
And the dodgers pushed for that agenda then manipulated the rules in their favor to overload their team with talent. Then they manipulated the rules and salary cap again with massive deferred salaries that are possibly with their increased overseas revenue.
Dodgers are cheaters and manfred stood by, enabled it, then watch it all unfold. Worst commissioner in sports history !
It took you the entire post to finally get to an accurate statement. He is the worst commissioner.
Dodgers are not cheaters they found a way to make their money go further with the deferred payments. Do I like it? No but they’re still not cheating. Deferred payments should have never been allowed or the whole amount should have to count each season as if they were paid.
The league is broken it not equally yoked from top to bottom . Teams with large revenues have way more advantages and can take advantage of the loopholes than mediocre revenue teams . They have debt /ratio also . The league is messed up and not even fair when one team can afford 3x as much advantage.
They aren’t ever going to be equal. Ever.
Manipulating is cheating.
What did they manipulate exactly? Be specific.
Bobby Bonilla has been getting deferred payments since the 90s. They have been allowed for a long time
Deferred payments only serve one purpose, avoid State income tax. They do not save money for the team.
Take Ohtani’s contract as an example.
It is $70M deferred, but at present day value it is $46M.
This year, the Dodgers will pay Ohtani $2M and put $44M on a bond, so they’re still paying the $46M this year.
No you are waaaay off. Ohtani looses the power of compound interest to his advantage and gives it to LA since he will not get paid for such a long time. He looses ALL the market growth since he doesn’t have the money.
Plus no other team in baseball can secure foreign market growth like the dodgers since they are now the #1 watched sporting team in Japan.
So dodgers are keeping the market growth while exploiting relationships they are the only ones who can. Manipulating the system to form a dynasty.
And manipulating is cheating.
If the Dodgers pay Ohtani $46M per year and that is all they pay, then where does Ohtani get his $70M from?
Why the Orioles receive revenue sharing is ridiculous. Do they not own the vast majority of their RSN, thereby, controlling the tv rights of two Major League teams.
He’s right, billionaires are.
I just glanced at the headline and I thought it was “The Dodgers are not RUNNING baseball.” Eeek! Perhaps they are. He’s been an awful commissioner. But he gets paid every week no matter what I say. We refer to the “ghost runner” in the 10th inning as “the Manfred Man.” as a reminder of how it happened.
Does he get any emails from fans about how a salary floor might be helpful?
It won’t. That just gets mediocre players payed more money. The large market teams will still get the tier 1 and 2 players while the small market teams will have to over pay tier 3 and 4 players more money for mediocre play.
Manfred is the one entity on Earth that is ruining baseball MORE than the Dodgers. So he is technically correct.
Ummm… did anyone actually think he’d say “Dodgers a ruining baseball… how dare they!”
No…City Connect jerseys are!!!
The Pirates, A’s and Marlins are ruining baseball.
Manfred is ruining baseball. Actually, it’s not even baseball anymore. It’s something completely different.
The current commissioners office that has radically changed game rules is ruining baseball from the top down. The Dodgers are simply playing the game.
Well, they Tigers screwed up when they didn’t hire the Superfife.
Billion $ in deferred deals
Criminal gambler who belongs in jail
Monopoly on intl players from asia
Incompetent crooked Manfred does nothing
This is bad for fans, the game, the tradition, history
No wonder mlb is like #11 popular sport
Forget abt the obvious nfl nba soccer nascar
Ppl would rather watch golf or wnba than the disgrace mlb has become
johnc,
Every team can defer salary, and many have and do.
The criminal gambler, Ippei Mizuhara, received his sentence today.
There is no monopoly on Asian players. Shota Imanaga, Seiya Suzuki, Masataka Yoshida all have signed with other teams recently.
Why do they keep bringing it up then??? Also, Manfred himself has ruined to game itself to quite an extent. He keeps it up, the game of baseball will be a shell of it’s former self. Fire Manfred and make baseball great again.
Let’s take a poll does anyone care what Manfred has to say on this topiic?
Like the commissioner is going come out and say a team is ruining the game he’s charged with running. TR should be embarrassed they even posted this.
“Those who believe baseball doesn’t have a parity problem will point to the fact that baseball has been fairly dynasty-proof lately. No club has won consecutive World Series since the 1998-2000 Yankees. The Dodgers, for all their might in the regular season, just won a title in a full season for the first time since 1988. Smaller clubs like the Rays, Guardians and Brewers have stayed steadily competitive in recent years.”
This is such BS. The fact that no teams have won consecutive World Series for 25 years doesn’t mean the league has parity, it just indicates how random the playoffs can be. The big spenders (i.e., Dodgers and Yankees) win their division / make the playoffs virtually every year and continually poach players from the small market teams once they become too expensive. Yeah, they don’t win the World Series every year, but they’re always in contention. Many small market teams are lucky to make the playoffs a couple times a decade.
Small market teams being ‘competitive’ only to be bounced in the WC round by real talent.
Unless they include the Astros or Rangers in that ‘small market group’ (I don’t) when was the last time a small market team won the World Series? Outside of the Rays who needed a shortened season to make it, when was the last time a small market team even made it to the World Series?? Do we believe the Nationals are a small market team?
Last time LA won WS in 88, There was 4 playoff tms
Now theres 14
Thats why its hard to win
Manfred is an idiot
You mean the 3rd most recent time? Every Dodger championship is a new spin.
Recent notable Free Agent Dodgers:
Seager (drafted by Dodgers) Once Free Agent: signed by Rangers
Bellinger (drafted by Dodgers) Once Free Agent: signed by Cubs
Trea Turner (acquired via trade): Once Free Agent: signed by Phillies
Did you really want to include a non-tender in that group?
I love it! The Dodgers are trolling haters with a Death Star bobble head on Star Wars night. They are embracing the evil empire theme. Viva the azul!
The Death Star was destroyed…. Not sure I’d want to embrace that legacy.
Next, Rob Manfred will be claiming he made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs. Unbelievable.
She’s fast enough for you, old man.
I’d be completely disinterested if I was a dodger fan. I’ve never hated the dodgers nor considered them villainous like I would the Yankees. And still do not.
It’s more like if you made a team of all the steroid users from the 90s. That’s how I view today’s dodgers !
Well,, the Yankees were a team of steroid users. Clemens and Pettite, Giambi and Aroid, and then the criminals. Lots of them. And their owner. Holy cow, a veritable cesspool.
The Dodgers are adopting the Steingrabber method of buying up the best players like Betts and Freeman and Ohtani. The difference is that these guys are actually decent upstanding humans, not PED infested cheaters.
Yes, the Yankees ruinreed baseball by REWARDING players who cheated. And they won championships so they deserve to be considered slimy, underhanded, despicable, slugs.
But the Dodgers? Hats off to them.
Lmao ! Nice post
Hey! Only half the team were steroid users!
Everybody cheated in the late 90s/early 2000s… Your acting as if Clemens wasn’t throwing to guys on roids or A-Rod wasn’t hitting off guys on roids. There are Hall of Famers who did steroids. They just weren’t caught
That doesnt let off the hook the guys that got caught.
Steroids is the tip of the iceberg. Wetteland, Curtis, Hall, Leyritz, Taylor, and more. At least the Dodgers had the good sense to dump Bauer as quickly as possible. And sometimes the Yankees had that same good sense, there are many more offensive characters who didn’t last long on the Yankees. But if you helped the team win, you got to stick around.
Did you mean ruineered? A mix of the words ruin and engineered would be an amazing creation of the modern English language.
Well you’re not so it doesn’t matter.
Billionaire baseball owners fall into one of two categories: those who prioritize making money and those willing to spend whatever it takes to win for the good of the game. If your team’s ownership is more focused on profit than building a winning team, you have every right to call them out. But don’t blame the Dodgers for doing exactly what a committed organization should—investing in their team and their fans.
Baseball isn’t broken. Every owner in the league has the financial resources to improve their team. Market size is irrelevant when billionaires have the means to spend, not just for their fans, but to increase the long-term value of their franchise. Choosing not to invest isn’t just bad for baseball—it’s bad business. Period.
It’s broken because there’s no stick nor carrot for rich owners to spend on their teams.
And no, market size does have importance. It’s very clear that the bigger the market, the more corporate HQs that buy up seats, more business owners and hardcore fans there are, bigger TV deals and sponsors, and more money flowing through the team. Every owner has the resources to spend but saying a market’s size doesn’t affect spending is pretty blind.
But I do agree that it’s bad for baseball in general if owners don’t spend. Too many paycheck collectors. We need more hardcore sports fans to be owners instead of these disinterested private equity and hedge fund operators.
Market size is hugely relevant! Dodgers spend, and do the other things well. But let’s not pretend that there aren’t half a dozen players even well run teams like the Rays would have to unload. Dodgers would be competitive even without the money. But you add that money and they’re nasty.
There isn’t and won’t ever be a cap. Increase the penalties, top and bottom, and create improvement plans for those that fail to meet basic levels of competitiveness.
I wouldn’t mandate spending for small market teams as that’s usually a poor use of resources. Draft, trade, develop.
Create an international amateur draft for the top 30 players in inverse order of results. Free signing for all others.
Manfred ruined MLB, the Dodgers are merely a byproduct of the Manfred regime of incompetence.
Lmao, cuz if there’s one person in baseball we all agree is always telling the truth, it’s Rob Manfred. I don’t subscribe to the belief the Dodgers are ruining baseball, but if MLB thinks Manfred addressing the issue will make things better they’re more delusional than I thought.
The league is broken because of the blindness of commissioner and the rules in place .Equality isn’t even close it’s only good for the high revenue teams. In east and west.
Manfred is not blind to what’s going on. He’s a puppet; you know, a front man. As long as the majority of owners and the player’s union are happy with revenue numbers and how it’s dispursed, the model will not change especially player payroll. Manfred just takes his marching orders from the MLB power brokers and spins it on us fanatics. He’s good at it.
Lazy, boring free agents who love making the lazy, boring choice are ruining baseball. One of my first thoughts when hearing about Sasaki signing was “He went with the LAZY, BORING CHOICE”.
The parity problem exists on both ends. Yes, the Dodgers spending gets headlines but Nutting and others pocketing tens of million earmarked for competitive balance also hurts.
Increase revenue sharing, create a salary floor equal to the amount of money received from that pot, and make the luxury tax have real teeth.
… not having a true commissioner, independent of the owners and players union, is what is killing baseball Rob. Of course if you cared about the game, you would have stepped down a long time ago, but you don’t and the fans know it.
A lot of fans, say and think otherwise
Get rid of CBT and QO. Draft for international players. A payroll floor set equal to a derivative of the national TV shared revenue. Maybe 120%.
I’m waiting for the Golden At-Bat to destroy MLB.
The massive amount of salary deferrals like the Dodgers do is one thing that really needs to be reigned in. Ohtani’s deferred money to that degree is outrageous and allows them to really lower the amount of their tax and makes more room for other large contracts too. Dodgers have over 1 billion in deferred salary. That’s outrageous. .
That’s not how deferred money works. The team still has to pay into a bond that will pay out the deferral to the player. In Ohtani’s case the Dodgers are paying him $2M this year and $44M to the bank. The $46M represent the current value of the contract and it is the amount that counts towards the CBA.
The only purpose of deferred money is to avoid State Income Tax.
They should be paying the luxury tax on 70 million not 46. That’s still skirting 24 million a year in taxes.
Why? They didn’t pay $70.
They eventually will pay 70 million. That’s what should count. You shouldn’t get to defer 24 million a year in penalties.
No, they only pay $46 total. It accumulates interest in the escrow account for 10 years and the net result is $70. Dodgers pay $46 total and not more.
“the inability for lesser spending teams to retain free agents”. not saying they don’t actually have the money its just they’re lesser spending or did they mean cheap? either way its not the fault of teams willing to put the bones on the table.
Baseball has structural issues, but an industry that brings in $12.1 B in revenues, and plays in free or heavily subsidized stadium is far from on the ropes. Salary cap/salary floor that was realistic and not just focussed on increasing profits….doubtful, from e
Sure, but that $12b in revenue isn’t translating into every team being a super team.
What do you expect him to say? Yes, the dodgers are signing all the top guys to ridiculous contracts and it’s making baseball less fun for most other teams. Maybe he’s thinking that it won’t say it.
He’s right.
The Dodgers and their absurd spending are NOT ruining baseball.
The ENTIRE point of MLB baseall.is for the big market teams to thrive while the small market teams are just there for window dressing.
The league wants it. The TV networks want it. Merchandisers want it. And the fans of big market teams want it.
The absolute last thing the league wants is a Tampa vs. Pittsburgh World Series.
The Dodgers are doing exactly what Manfred wants them to do.
And as long as the fans of big market teams keep pretending it’s just because their team tries harder or whatever smoke they blow up their own…
Nothing will change.
The facts:
Owners don’t mind when some owners don’t spend (and don’t try to win either), it’s almost collusion. How so? Owners have less teams to bid against for services of players thus in theory driving the value down in contracts and also making it easier to win games.
The players don’t want a ceiling for obvious reasons but they sure do want a floor. The more teams that have to spend say $110m, the more money that goes out in contracts (hundreds of millions more).
Also when the big markets spend more and win more, the ratings are higher in those typically larger cities too.
Pete Alonso and the Mets just saved the off season.
If he wasn’t getting emails from other owners, he’d do nothing to address the problem.
If anything happens, it’s because the other owners got together and pushed Manfred to fix the problem.
And whoever the journalist was… Did they really expect any other answer?
I could care less about the huge payroll the dodgers have , it’s the deferred money that is suspect to me . I’m jealous that they spend and the Cardinals are stuck with an owner that won’t spend at all and needs to sell the team before the once great cardinals name is tarnished forever !
I remember previous Cardinals owners and despite ownership working for profit over a ‘super team’, I prefer DeWittless. It was agony to watch year after year.
Rob Manfred>Dodgers, Roger Goodell>Chiefs. Two peas in a pod…
The Dodgers have every right to sign which players they think will enable them to win consistently and have certainly gone that route for the last several years…..but you still have to play 162 game to get to the playoffs and from then on, it’s not necessarily the team that has the best paper team, but the team that’s playing best….if that coincidently is the Dodgers so be it.
Whats wrong is the way they are seemingly getting around the lux tax with the amount of salary they are deferring into the future which needs to be addressed……using deferred contract offers, they can easily outbid any competing team for a free agent……
No, the Dodgers are not ruining baseball. The bigger issue is far and away the fact that roughly 20 teams openly aren’t even trying in any given season, and another half dozen are only willing to half ass it. The number of owners who cry poverty despite record TV deals and government-funded stadiums is what’s ruining baseball, aided and abetted by a commissioner who wants to push asinine rule changes and do nothing about the franchises openly waving their middle fingers at their cities and fanbases. The fact that the Dodgers are the only team making an effort to actually use all of the financial resources at their disposal is certainly unhealthy, but they are the symptom and not the underlying problem.
“The fact that the Dodgers are the only team making an effort…”
EXACTLY.
The richest teams just happen to be the only ones that make an effort.
The same way Jeff Bezos works a billion times harder than you do.
A billion times smarter
So, Bezos is a billions times smarter than you?
Slurp that Job Creator.
Wouldn’t say he works a billion times harder, but he’s certainly executed on a vision for a company that is a billion times better of an idea than most other retailers have ever had. Might be a trillion times better than any idea I’ve ever had seeing as I have not successfully launched a business of any kind. Do you have any ideas that would completely revolutionize the way everyone thinks about shopping, selling, and logistics?
So, he’s a billion times smarter than you and therefore he should pay less in taxes than you?
OK. Cool.
Top notch slurping.
No? I said he created something a billion times more valuable than anything you or I have. Sorry you have such a hard time coping with that reality. If you’re so upset about it, I encourage you to go out there and revolutionize e-commerce, and then you can run it as you see fit. And who said anything about how much taxes he should pay? You literally pulled that out of thin air. Pound sand, commie.
You ignore the part where much of Amazon’s market share was built on the back of a tax loophole that let him sell products without tax vs. brick and mortar competitors who had to charge it, but OK..
I bring up taxes because I suspect that you will defend the fact that he pays less in taxes than you, I or anyone else reading this.
You must be really fun at parties. Have fun arguing with your strawmen, loser.
Are you OK with him paying less in taxes than everyone else reading this, yes or no?
It’s a simple question.
Takes at most two or three letters to answer.
Yes or no?
Maybe not but he is…
The dodgers aren’t ruining baseball, Manfred is doing a fine job of that himself.
There are currently 5 MLB teams in California. The Dodgers shouldn’t have as significant of an economic benefit as they do have, just based on that. One of the reasons California teams have more economic power is due to political reasons. Workers have more rights in California, so more people have more money to spend on pastimes. If people want their favorite sports teams to have more economic power, they should vote based on policies that produce those outcomes. There isn’t much the commissioner, or the MLBPA can or should do to affect that outcome. The owners of many teams that don’t enjoy the same economic benefits as the Dodgers do tend to contribute heavily to political causes that negatively impact their own teams. The best ownership model for a sports franchise is probably Bayern Munich. Per Bundesliga rules, teams must be 51% fan-owned, though Bayern is 75% owned by the fan trust. The remainder of the club is owned by 3 large corporations, Adidas, Audi, and Allianz a financial and insurance company, which each own 8.33%. Want your favorite baseball team to spend more, thereby ensuring a more competitive outcome? Support workers’ rights, stop giving money to bad owners, and plot a fan-ownership takeover. Simple enough.
The Dodgers have officially ruined Baseball. I am about to end watching after 50 years. Now to me it’s just cheating. There is no salary cap and no parity anymore. Not worth watching anymore. I feel sorry for the small market teams who struggle to survive. The salaries of the players are way out of control. Keep it up Manfred and I’m done. Especially with all the new rule changes. Baseball is turning into a joke now.
No teams struggle to survive. Zero
Highest revenues ever in MLB. No one will miss you
Bye
NFL has a salary cap and we are about to watch a superbowl with the same team who played in their 7th straight championship game going for their third straight Super Bowl win. Before that we had to watch another team win 6 super bowls and appear in 11 conference championships in 15 years. Salary caps not the answer.
I need financial assistance after watching 173 Dodger games in 2024. Mostly on TV but a good number in person, plus 20-something AZ spring training games. It’s expensive feeding this habit.
sure claim parity because no ‘ dynasties’. 9/12 teams in the playoffs in 2024 were top 12 in payroll. spin it any way you want. I guess the Dodgers winning 98 or more games for like 9 years, has nothing to do with their top 5 payroll…Manfred as usual, your idea that fans are stupid, has a very bright light on it.
Bullcrap, Do wah diddy, Manfred Mann
this article is going to rub Tim the wrong way you should be careful lol.
Correct. Pirates, Reds, Marlins et al are ruining baseball. Sadly, the average baseball fan is too stupid to understand that and blame the owners who care to put out a good product rather than those who refuse to.
If those teams spent another $50 million a year, the Dodgers and Yankees would spend another $100 million.
If those teams spent another $100 million a year, the Dodgers and Yankees would spend another $200 million.
Unless the leagues stop them, the big market teams will always leverage their advantages.
MLB needs a good villain, it’s great for business. Do u rmbr a hot stove offseason where there was so much attention on baseball ? 1st of all, they’re defending WS champs, signed Snell to huge contract, re-signed Teo n Treinan, signed Scott n Yates to bolster bp, n won Roki sweepstakes. Now they’ve pilford the 3 best players from NPB, all in there prime. That opens Dodgers n MLB to 120million plus new baseball fans in a country that loves the game. Makes for ton of pressure cause its WS victory or the season’s a failure. If I wasn’t Dodger fan since ’79 I’d hate them too. Go Dodgers !
You’re absolutely right. It’s good for the game.
Robby the robot got his marching orders apparently.
If the Yankees didn’t ruin baseball leading in payroll for more 10 years then the Dodgers are doing okay
Exactly. This is nothing new.
Pretty convenient for billionaire owners that Dodgers absurd spending levels is generating public pressure for a salary cap. Couldn’t have planned it any better if owners tried…unless, you know, they did.
Owning your own RSN is critical for the cash-flow that goes beyond players, to facilities and treatment of players’ families. In the case of the Blue Jays ownership, which own multiple national sports networks (NSNs), including ones that show its games on TV and over radio, it has allowed them to upgrade all facilities in Toronto and Dunedin and compete for Ohtani and Soto as few others can. Are the penalties for big spenders helping the smaller teams, is it helping strengthen the minors, the local kid teams, is it building a talent pipeline? I believe it should.
Of course he’s gonna say they’re not ruining baseball because he’s a Dodger fan.
Andrew Friedman first made a name for himself with the small-market Tampa Bay Rays by implementing efficient, “moneyball”-style strategies. He invested in better nutrition, housing, and overall support for minor leaguers, enabling the Rays to develop talent effectively despite limited resources. Now, at the helm of the big-budget Los Angeles Dodgers, he applies the same principles but can also sign major free agents. This combination of a strong homegrown core and high-profile acquisitions has consistently kept the Dodgers in contention.
Critics accuse Los Angeles of “ruining baseball” through its wealth, yet the MLB commissioner and many others see the franchise as a model of strong management and innovation. On top of that, the Dodgers enjoy a sterling reputation among players and staff—stars naturally want to join a team with championship aspirations. It’s also worth noting that when other clubs are in contention and have the financial means, they, too, chase marquee free agents. Ultimately, the Dodgers’ success underscores the importance of forward-thinking strategy, robust player development, and smart spending—lessons any organization can apply rather than simply complaining about unequal resources.
Except you disprove your own point.
The Rays (and the other small market Moneyball teams) never won using the Friedman formula but $300 million later the Dodgers (Astros, Yankees, Red Sox, etc.) do.
Coincidentally, right?
The Astros? Seriously? What marquee FA other than Verlander led the Astros to a WS? Literally one guy they signed. Every other star was either developed through tanking or traded for while they were in their arbitration years. The Royals won a WS fairly recently. And so the Rays can make the WS but your theory only counts if they win it all?
Houston is the 4th biggest market in America after NY, LA and Chicago, so, yeah, the Astros.
Also, they cheat.
And the ONLY evidence anyone can find that parity exists in MLB is to point to WS winners, so, yeah…let’s not move that goalpost now.
Also, the Royals are a small market team, but to win that WS, they had a top 10 payroll that year…whereas the big market teams have that every single year.
Funny you ignore the fact that Houston was 17th in payroll in 2017. And KC was 13th in 2015 according to Sportrac. And let’s ask the KC owner if their pockets were hurting in 2015; do you think they didn’t turn a healthy profit that year and the following year?
Yeah, like they’re the only ones who cheat, lol.
Oscar the Grouch
Home Depot runs didn’t count toward payroll.
Well said, James.
Obviously the dodgers aren’t ruining baseball. Manfred is doing that just fine on his own thank you!
Well yeah, they actually are.
No Rob you are doing a great job of destroying the game all on your own!
Nobody pays any attention to anything you have to say. You ruin everything you touch you’re like a deep state politician
Manfred is!
I really don’t think a guy like Manfred who makes somewhere between 25 t0 40 million a year in salaries has a good gauge of how the average fan feels about his team when they are compared to the Dodgers. I am not hating on the Blue Boys because they are just exploiting the system very intelligently.
Is MLBTR getting USAID funding?
Yall are essentially a propaganda arm
By posting Manfred’s comments? The idea that MLBTR is propaganda for MLB is hysterical. Let me guess you root for the Pirates? Or maybe the Rockies? Miami? Tell me what billionaire owner you root for that has a higher profit margin than the big market clubs in MLB
You missed the “guest article” from a few days ago…where we were told that our concerns are “misguided”.
Thus a soft propaganda arm for MLB…
Oh I didn’t miss anything. I read it and thought he made valid points. You think they wouldn’t post some other failed GM candidate who had a DWI’s opinion on the subject? You didn’t answer my question. Tell me what “poor” team you root for who cries poverty?
Your concerns about deferrals are misguided.
Shill more
300M should be a hard cap and a min cap at 100M
Small markets that can not support said spendings should be set up for relocation to stronger markets. Las Vegas is a core one. Tampa, same thing. Wrecking that park created a opertunity to find a more profitable home vs fixing up a lame duck.
The comish office needs to look at the health of MLB as a whole and create a equal(er) playing field by forcing low revenue teams to become more profitable and then forcing those profits back into payroll. That will appease the union where a hard cap at 300M is TBH not a issue that this generation with have to worry about anyways.
Manfred will accept NO competition in his effort to ruin baseball.
He’s right. They aren’t ruining baseball. They’ve already ruined it.
boyfreds a real doozie..
ANTHONY RENDON is ruining baseball in Anaheim.
His contract should be voided!!!
Blaming your customers is not a pathway to long term success.
Shouldn’t Lord Manfred be telling us about his other grand ideas for baseball? The golden at bat rule was pure gold. Please tell us more!
Every time Ohtani is due up you have to put more quarters in the machine! His ABs will be on a separate channel altogether, which require a different subscription….. like Hulu or something stupid. The normally schedule broadcast will blackout his ABs for the non-payers.
Dude, you know Manfred salivates at ideas like that lol
I am totally excited to see the 29 iterations of the Washington Generals vie for the opportunities to lose to the Dodgers in the post-season
What a ridiculous comment
What’s embarrassing is not how the big market teams owners act. It’s the fact that some small market teams are fine with the way it is.
Which means give me revenue sharing money and I can make millions by not spending.
These dopes promoted fisher…that’s all you need to know about this group.
Yes they are…
When the Dodgers win 5 world Championships in a row I’ll concede there needs to be changes.
NFL is well on their way there even with their supposed “great parity” and salary cap
Contract the Rays because they’re too stupid to play in Tampa Bay. Guantanamo Bay or Green Bay is a safer venue.
During the last lockout Manfred specifically claimed that owners’ returns are below what you could expect from the stock market.
Now, we know that’s an absolute lie…proven a lie every time a team goes up for sale.
So take whatever he says with a grain of salt.
When is the last time a small market team was sold for big money?
2029 can’t come soon enough. I don’t think his replacement will be much better.
Why would it? All the owners need is another figurehead to advance their agendas of making more money. If Manfred wasn’t planning to step away, they’d renew his contract. There may be another lockout during the next CBA negotiations but I can’t see a work stoppage as there’s too much money for both sides to lose in that event.
It was the MLBPA which forced the A’s to spend this offseason. That extra payroll money was going to go right in Fisher’s pockets if he wasn’t compelled to sign those new player contracts.
Without all teams disclosing income (not profits or expenses) and without a level financial playing field as far as TV revenues. It’s important to have a floor payroll. If you can’t afford to ante up, then sell the team or get out of the game. Too many teams playing the cheapness game, which is why having John Fisher on any board after what he did in Oakland is a disgrace. Spend money and buy good players and your crowds will grow. Fisher chased fans out of Oakland. You can’t impose a cap when the Dodgers, for instance, are committed for the next decade to (over)paying big stars. Propose a step deal so that by 2034, a team must spend $150MM on payroll, but not more than $400MM. Then you’ll see some crazy roster shuffling, trades, etc. And those numbers will be subject to annual adjustment based on revenues. But get started NOW with negotiations.
I think you have to incentivize teams to get close to the CBT threshold while penalizing teams for leaving it in the dust. Draft pick penalty for teams passing X% of CBT. Lottery for all teams within X% of CBT #. Go build your super team. Just give the “mid-majors” some incentive to increase payroll, minimize tanking and go for one of the many playoff spots available.
Everyone getting 335 million a year in local TV money like LA would help teams increase payroll.
Baseball is being ruined by owners and agents. Players are just pre-madonnas reaping the rewards. But there are other snakes in the grass like online betting, corporates and mafia.
There 100% needs to be a salary floor but soft and have similar e punishments as going over the cap or luxury tax.. so first no revenue sharing, draft pick loss makes sense. then dollar amount penalties based On either the amount the team is under or based on the difference in league average spending vs were the teams spending is. .over the past 10 years league average spending only went under 110M once due to COVID and around 160M sense COVID. Only the As spent under 80M last year so maybe have a 75M floor then have a 75% tax on anything less with loss of revenue sharing and a 110% tax on anything less then 65M so it actually costs more that way
. I think a international draft makes alot of sense but the KBO, NPB and CBL would fight that because that’s the only way for them to actually get a star. Canada and Puerto Rico are draft eligible but everywhere else there trainers would riot because that’s how they earn there living.
He will care when revenue drops
Commissioner Woke is letting baseball ruin itself from the inside.
Manfred: “The Dodgers aren’t ruining baseball, I am and I don’t need anyones help!”
Says the guy ruining baseball
Absolutely NO salary cap in MLB! The MLBPA MUST stand firm on that front, and they will! Do not give in to these billionaire owners! MLB is thriving and does NOT need it!
If MLB (a league that will die with the boomers) is “thriving”, what is the NFL doing?
NBA players are being paid WELL above their market value just because teams have to spend so much money.
So, that’s all just BS to keep the finger on the scale.
NBA has 1/3rd the roster size of MLB and the scale of their development league is nothing compared to MLB. I don’t think it’s a fair comparison at all.
The NBA MUST (per the CBA) pay it’s players half it’s revenue.
Same with the NFL and NHL.
MLB pays it’s players less than 40% of it’s revenue.
Would MLBPA members be better off if they got 50% of the revenue instead of 40%?
Does that 40% number include the minor leagues? How much do you think it costs teams to run their developmental league teams? Paying seven teams worth of players, player housing, coaches, etc surely adds to that 40% figure. Definitely don’t think MLB players want to go the way of the NFL with non-guaranteed contracts. NFL players usually end up with significantly less than their reported contract values.
Oh well that settles it.
I think Manfred almost said “no lockout” during the next negotiations. My opinion.
For those upset at the Dodgers, Yanks, etc…that is a ludicrous and un-American mindset to have…. This is not a communist country so why should MLB be ran like it is? These teams are all valued at BILLIONS of dollars, and owned by BILLIONAIRES! Some of these very rich people are willing to spend the $ for star players while others aren’t! It’s as simple as that! If the Dodgers win the next 20 WS because they have an owner willing to buy a superior product, then so be it! But don’t feel bad for the BILLIONAIRE owners who aren’t willing to spend the $ necessary to give their team’s fans a decent product to root for!!
m.youtube.com/watch?v=IWWwM2wwMww&pp=ygUVVHVy…
Turning Japanese, the new dodger theme song
What did any fool out there expect him to say?
Plain and simple question:
As MLB is in the business of entertainment… does a few clubs who can buy at will and take the top players for themselves while most teams can’t truly compete regularly, bring a level of entertainment that is enjoyed by more than just the fanbases of those super teams? Does the MLB product sell out games across the country regularly, have high TV ratings for regular season and playoff games and the World Series? Because all I’ve heard for a while now is that ratings have dropped, attendance has dropped, and interest in the MLB product has weakened. Hence all the rule changes made to “make the game more enjoyable”. Maybe the game is no longer enjoyable for the vast because there isn’t a realistic change to be legit under the present set of how MLB teams are allowed to be constructed.
Sure, LA and NY are doing fine… but how about the rest of the country?
Attendance is up, revenue is up, sponsorship is up. Largest ever revenue last year.
Small market teams have difficulty winning a WS. KC was last team win one. Way it’s going be like every 20 yrs for a small market team winning one. Reds have Elly and way his career has taken off. Reds won’t be able keep him .Whatever Vladdy signs for Elly will get more if he’s healthy and productive. Pirates Skenes who they won’t be able to keep. So basically yes baseball needs a Salary cap.
Blah, blah, blah.. Manfred is a globalist and has already destroyed the game I loved..
“Everything that they do and have done is consistent with our rules.” You’re right, Rob, that’s why the rules need to be changed! And, the lack of a dynasty doesn’t mean that teams like the Dodgers, Mets and Yankees don’t have an unfair advantage. They absolutely do when it comes to payroll, scouting, etc. They can keep their best players long term, while most other teams have to catch lightning in a bottle to win.
You forgot to add Boston, Philadelphia, and Chicago Cubs to this list of yours.
I guess since he said so, it must be true. lol.
Manford is just a puppet, a mouthpiece for the owners. he’s merely a corporate yes man who does what he’s told.
It started with Selig, and the game has gone downhill since.. I despise the desecration of the game I once loved..
The Dodgers look for a specific type top tier slider pitcher and without any limits they can get all the top ones. Let’s not tell Manfred anything.
Are the Dodgers ruining (the economics of) baseball? Yes and no. Until owners and players understand that a hard salary cap is the only thing that will protect the longterm viability of the game at the professional level, they will be content to negotiate ever-growing salaries.
That the Dodgers (and a few other big-spending teams) are having to to resort to multi-year salary deferrals in order to sign top talent speaks volumes. Literally, a Big League “buy now, play later” plan.
Even salary deferrals are still allowed and available — but very risky. And they push payroll far into the future at increased levels that will bring less payroll flexibility in future years.
Why are the Dodgers spending like they are? As I see it, it’s a naked talent grab. Not so much to bolster an already-formidable 40-man roster. But more to keep those top-tier superstars from being made available to division rivals or other teams. Hoarding the best players, as it were.
When it comes right down to it, Rob Manfred needs to assert his authority and order an audit of the books of the Dodgers, Yankees and any other team past the second luxury tax tier. These franchises need to prove they can remain solvent in the event of another COVID-type of event that severely reduces revenues. More than a pandemic, the shifting sands of media rights deals may well undermine teams faster than anything else — as is already the case with the Padres and Twins.
This is not close to accurate. Deferrals do not change how much a team pays for a player or when they pay. It only changes when the player gets paid.
Team pays now, player gets paid later. That’s the deferral.
It isn’t risky and does not change future payrolls.
It changes how much in penalties they pay…..
I see, you changed your argument.
No problem, you’re wrong there too.
The value of a deferred contract is the same as a standard contract. It’s calculated in the dollars paid into escrow at the time of signing, not when it gets paid out.
Dodgers pay $46M, $2M to Ohtani, $44M into escrow.
That’s all that the Dodgers will ever pay for that year’s salary. The amount in escrow accumulates over time from interest that’s established at a predetermined rate, and is paid out in 10 years, having reached $70M.
It’s a $460M contract. That’s all the Dodgers pay and that’s what the contract is worth. No penalties being skirted.
It’s a 10 year 700 million dollar contract. But it’s ok the Dodgers will pay when there’s a shut down to implement a cap.
By your logic it should be a 20 year 700 million contract.
There will never be a cap, so nothing to worry about
Manfred might want to check out a specific model type slider the Dodgers teach and seek from other teams, perhaps then he will have different thoughts and ways of speaking.
Is player retention beyond their arbitrations years really an issue? A college junior or senior won’t be a free agent until they’re nearly 30 (or older). It’s only the most extreme examples of playing reaching FA during their true prime (Soto)
Seeing how the Dodgers have been historically good a choking away world series titles, I’m not ready to say that they are ruining baseball until they actually look like a dynasty. Give it 3 years and half these contracts will not look nearly as good with these guys in their mid 30’s.
DH in the national league and extra inning ghost runners however I’m pretty sick of at this point.
And love the idea of the MLB giving incentives to players and their original team to have more players play out a career in one place.
Also let’s get those expansion teams! Sad to see good players hanging it up so early.
Considering the Dodgers have been in six World Series in my lifetime and won four of them (and one of those losses was to a team that was cheating), I’m not sure how they’re “historically good a(t) choking away (W)orld (S)eries titles”.
Nothing scares Manfred and MLB more than a world where they can’t put a finger on the scale for the Yankees and Mets and them having to compete on a level playing field like the Giants and Jets or the Rangers and Islanders.
Nothing scares baseball’s media partners more than a world where the big markets are irrelevant because a small market team got a fair chance and won out.
Manfredman is the worst commissioner ever for not taking a stand against what the dodgers are doing ruining the competitiveness of the game at this time!
Were the commissioners from the 1920’s to 1950’s equally bad for allowing the Yankees to have a 40-year dynasty? Do you people know anything at all about the history of this game? Apparently a bunch of you don’t, or you’d realize that this has happened throughout the history of baseball.
@Hammerin’
Now that you bring it up, I would not say it is a good thing one team has close to thirty championships, and the next best teams barely clear double digits.
“Hmm, am I out of touch?
No, it’s the children who are wrong.”
Please owners, don’t impose a lockout and take away Anthony Rendon’s ability to work.
Asking to get clowned
1 legit world series in 36 years, yet they are ruining baseball lol.
Manfred is right. The Dodgers are not ruining baseball… He is! Between allowing the Dodgers to bend every rule to the point of breaking them and not counting a billion dollars in deferred money against the luxury tax, and his stoolie Manfred man in extra innings )misoekking intended for its idiocy) he has done more to ruin my love for the sport than anyone or anything wise. He is worse than steroids and the strike. And, I’m sure I’m jot the only one feeling that way.
What rules got bent?
Deferred payments, Dr Brainsurgery…. luxury tax… Don’t understand? Look what happened to Bobby Bonilla and the Mets. The same thing can happen to the Dodgers and all the players playing for free for the next 20 years
Those rules didn’t get bent. Those are the rules for a reason and the reason is that they give some flexibility to the team and security to the player. MLB and the PA have vested interests in the health and financial security of the teams offering those deferrals and as such there are rules in place to protect both player and team.
The funds for the player are paid into escrow as scheduled over the player’s playing career, not after. Then they are disbursed to the player as stipulated in the contract. The team DOES NOT have to come up with more money.
If the Dodgers go bankrupt in 10 years everyone on the roster will still be fully paid.
The luxury tax IS NOT being skirted as the contract is calculated at the time it is signed, the same as every other contract in MLB. It just happens to accrue interest before it gets disbursed and that is what accounts for the larger number being paid out. Both MLB and the PA are in agreement on this.
And before you go calling people names maybe you should get that extra chromosome under control and educate yourself before you spout ignorance.
Nobody should be allowed to defer payments; if you can’t afford the guy today, then you don’t get him, let him go to a team that can afford him. Secondly yes they are skirting luxury tax by doing this, because they are avoiding the luxury tax by spreading out the money over an unrealistic time. This is what most people here are saying; yes it’s not technically illegal but it’s never been done before Bonilla and now half the Dodgers team and it’s only gonna result in skyhigh player salaries aka skyhigh ticket prices for you and me. Look at it from an objective point of view, not a Dodgers-fanboy point of view. And yes sorry, my trisomy 21 is really acting up today. Sorry.
The Dodgers have the money. The money deferred is being invested. If deferrals weren’t allowed, the Dodgers would still have the money to pay the players the present day value of their contracts.
You don’t know how deferrals even work, but it isn’t stopping you from being mad about it. And Bonilla wasn’t the recipient of the first deferral.
When the Warriors signed Durant, it made me not care about whether they won the title or not. The power imbalance it created made it unenjoyable for fans like me after being an underdog crap franchise for 40 years.
To this day, I only count GS’ 2015 and 2022 titles in my lifetime.
There have to be some Dodgers fans who can just admit that this is ridiculous vis a vis the 90s yankees
Fans say otherwise
Says the guy who is leading the league in ruining baseball
Lol, amen brother. Bless you, and may demons curse Manfred
“There are various counter arguments. Per Shaikin, it was discussed at the owners’ meetings that only two clubs outside the top ten markets have managed to win a World Series in the past 20 years: the Cardinals and the Royals.”
This pretty much is the crux of it. I don’t see how this is sustainable.
He’s right, the Dodgers aren’t ruining baseball, HE IS by allowing it. Yeah the Dodgers aren’t breaking any rules, just creating new ones that haven’t been ruled against and it’s YOUR job as commissioner to stop it!!! Deferred payments are going to ruin either the Dodgers in the future or the individuals (financially) that agree to them when the Dodgers one day can’t pay like the Mets did with Bobby Bonilla.
What an idiot that picket-fence-toothed Manfred. Retire already but wipe
There going to wreck baseball
Everything he says is opposite, so .
Uh , Yes They Are
Dodgers are raising the bar. They’re one of the few teams who actually want to win, along with the Yankees and arguably the Mets, Phillies, Cubs and Padres, and formerly the Astros. Hopefully soon, other teams will want to win and get good players and be competitive with the Dodgers. Notice how the majority of the teams who want to win are in the NL, and the Dodgers still dominate them. So therefore everyone needs to do better-a lot better. And they should all be fined for not doing better.
“Dodgers are raising the bar. They’re one of the few teams who actually want to win, along with the Yankees and arguably the Mets, Phillies, Cubs and Padres, and formerly the Astros.”
WEIRD, how the ONLY teams that WANT to win are the ones in the #1, #2, #3, #4, #5 and the ONLY pro sports team in the #10 media markets.
Yep, the ONLY teams that WANT to win are the rich ones. How about that?
Yeah…the Yankees and Mets are helping as well! This guy is a shill for the owners, hired by the owners, and protecting the owners.
As long as big market fans are happy to brag about the trophies their moms bought them, MLB will never change.
It will remain WWE on grass.
And die off with the boomers.
When does Manfred start following Silver’s lead and start forcing other teams to do Luka trades with the Dodgers?
Coming from the guy who came up with the Golden At-Bat Idea, he’s right. The Dodgers aren’t ruining the game of baseball, he is.
Jibberish. And dismissive jibberish at that
It’s like I say about politics, if they are out there trying to tell people what to think, they know public sentiment is against them.
I just made my last season ticket payment to the Dodger schedule filler located in Pittsburgh yesterday. Really looking forward to the season.
Maybe next year I can swing that and a package for Pittsburgh and the schedule filler for the Dodgers located in Cleveland.
As usual, clueless Rob is way off.
Salary cap now! I want threepeats and 20 year patriot dominance like the NFL! And seeing the same NBA finals 5 years in a row! Salary caps work so well guys!
As a Yankee fan this is what I can’t wrap my head around. All the talking heads on mlb network and Rob Manfred himself are going out of there way to say the dodgers aren’t ruining baseball and I agree that they aren’t but it’s almost as if it’s scripted and they are all getting the memo to defend the dodgers at the same time. Let’s be honest, what the Mets recently just did by trading away two huge contracts in Verlander and Scherzer and eating all that money has never been done. What the Dodgers are doing with the deferred contracts has been done but not close to this scale. What the Mets just did by giving a DH in Soto a 800m contract just changed the landscape of future contracts and the way they did it by telling every team they are willing to outbid anyone by 50m more for Soto was crazy. The way the dodgers are cornering the Japanese market is also a concern. But when the Yankees were winning and they built the dynasty which was mostly homegrown and they were putting money back into the team each year adding a free agent to fill a hole you never saw Manfred or any talking sport heads defending them other than the players union to a point. It’s interesting now that it’s the dodgers with the media billionaire ownership the game has changed as far as what’s allowed and what’s not allowed and they all get the same memo to regurgitate?
So they are both ruining baseball easy enough .
The both meaning the dodgers and Mets?
I am certain it won’t make a bit of difference, but how about a hard cap but players that have come up through the team’s system are exempt? For instance, the money the Yankees are spending on Judge wouldn’t count against the salary cap.
It would probably only benefit the top teams, because a team like the Rays still wouldn’t pay top dollar to retain their stars.
A team like the Astros could offer Bregman top dollar and it wouldn’t count against the cap. They might have been able to keep Tucker also.
Teams that are bidding on these stars to lure them away are constrained by the salary cap. A team like the Dodgers would have limited dollars to spend, while a team like the Royals could offer a bigger contract because they have no other free agent additions.
Players would hate it because it cuts into the money and the markets they could reach. The owners would hate it because it limits how much they can spend. If everyone hates it, it might be a good idea.
I love this idea
This actually makes sense and that’s the reason why they won’t do it!
Without delving too much into the quagmire, I 100% agree with him about player continuity. I really love to see players stay with a team long-term, and not just my team. I root against the Braves as much as any team, but I thought it was sad when Freddie Freeman left. But I do think a salary cap would exacerbate that problem. Because teams simply wouldn’t be able to keep their teams together. Not to say that that isn’t the case now with teams with tight budgets.
If greedy owners and players don’t realize they’re killing the sport, and if they won’t fix baseball on their own, then maybe a “fan strike” is what is needed. Looking at the attendance records for all the non-10% payroll teams, it’s possibly already happening.
They make me not want to watch, but I’m also a White Sox fan so that apathy is already baked in.
So who in their right mind is buying this total load of Bull? I’m not!
Manfred is right.
It’s the greed of owners and players that is ruining it
It is the financial structure of MLB that is ruining it
Given the current way of doing things, they should just have two leagues—-one for big markets, and one for small. Because as is, a small market team even making it to the WS will be like hitting the lottery
I’m a Dodger fan, but I still felt like I was reading a character reference letter from the Joker for Darth Vader
The fact it’s the only sport without a cap should tell him it’s bad for the fans. But then again the fans don’t matter. These teams make money and value without playing a single game . It’s a monopoly
Yes they are. And I’m a Yankee fan. We were accused of ruining baseball first.
Baseball would have a better chance for players and owners to agree on adding a salary floor. That would force owners like Nutting to pay for players along with the draft and trades. Pirate fans are very FRUSTRATED! Something needs to change. PLEASE!
I love the idea of teams signing there owner players will not count as a cap hit but for example Soto signed by Mets was a Yankee the prior year so the Mets will get hit with a luxury tax. This is an incentive to build from within.
On top of that they need to have one draft which includes international players. It’s not fair to American and PR born players as it is. There also needs to be a reset on the luxury tax hit. Let teams off the hook for going over the tax for one season so that they can try to get back under. Also set a floor cap of 150m right away and increase it to 200m by the third year. The ceiling cap could be 400m.
Any teams going over get hit with loss of draft picks. No more paying teams not willing to spend and then they pocket the money rather than reinvest it into signing players. Also need an incentive to try to win rather than reward losing teams with top picks every season.
Manfred is a Cancer!
Yes, they are!
(don’t ask the arsonist, if fire is bad)
*and yes, the players are just as much at fault.
Take a peak whose sponsoring the Japan series between the Dodgers and the Cubs.
“Ruining baseball”? What does that mean anyways. Such a nebulous term. I’ll agree the Dodgers have crushed the last two off seasons. Deferrals are allowed under the CBA and they are not doing anything that isn’t available to other teams. They are just better at doing it and feel they can manage it. So are the Dodgers “ruining baseball” or just ruining your favorite team’s chances of competing and winning? As pointed out, there is a bit of a competitive imbalance in baseball as far as WS wins in the past 20 years. I have actually studied it since playoff expansion in the mid 90’s. What I found was this, money matters. Higher payroll teams win more, make the playoffs more often, and win the WS more often. Money is no guarantee of winning, but it improves the odds greatly!
That should come as no surprise to anyone. But sports are rife with competitive imbalances even in capped sports. NFL can talk about parity all they want. But we are looking at a team possibly winning three Super Bowls in a row this weekend. When was the last time MLB even had a repeat champion? Still a number of teams that have yet to be in a SB much less win one. Since the 1980’s the NBA has consistently had 3-4 teams winning titles each decade. Not always the same teams in each decade but some notable repeats like the Spurs, Lakers, Celtics.
Baseball’s history is rife with competitive imbalances. The Yankees dominated the reserve clause era because they literally could outspend every other team to get the best talent. Their AAA teams in those times probably could have posted a .500 record. The advent of the draft and free agency actually somewhat leveled the playing field. The Yankees pretty much bought the vast majority of its WS titles.
As far as Manfred, how is it he is “ruining baseball?” Don’t’ like the rule changes he has implemented? Fine, but they have largely worked. The pitch clock has resulted in a much better pace of play and a much more watchable product. Enlarged bases and limited pick off moves has resulted in more SB’s which has energized the game. Ghost runner? Please! Hardly ruined the game. Brings more energy and intensity to the extra innings and has been otherwise well received outside the curmudgeonly old fart baseball fans who scream “get off my lawn” in their spare time.
So I don’t want to here this BS about “ruining baseball.” Nothing of the sort going on here. Baseball faces challenges to be sure. But one team isn’t destroying the game. The commissioner isn’t destroying the game. At best, destroying your mythical vision of what the game should be. But that isn’t destroying baseball at all.
You don’t want to here it, but maybe you should hear it.
The argument that MLB doesn’t need a cap because Brady and Mahomes (or LeBron and Curry) are great is just silly AF.
There are dynasties and teams that dominate in other sports, that is true.
What defenders of this broken system won’t acknowledge is that those great teams that dominate in other sports DO NOT DO SO BECAUSE OF FINANCIAL DISPARITY.
It’s because they acquired great players and/or coaches AND because of salary caps, they can keep those players. The best player in football plays in Kansas City. The best player in hockey plays in Edmonton, Alberta. Both signed long term deals to stay instead of going to NY or LA based teams.
In MLB, all of those players are funneled to the top teams.
By design.
Does anyone actually believe that big market teams will ever willingly surrender their financial advantages and not just outspend the small market teams no matter what the small market teams spend? If so, why? Based on what?
Does anyone actually believe that FOX or TBS or ESPN want Cincinnatti or Pittsburgh and their hundreds of thousands of viewers instead of NY and LA and their millions of viewers?
Does anyone actually believe that Manfred and the league would rather sell a few hundred thousand jerseys and hats in Milwaukee and Tampa instead of millions in Chicago, Houston, Boston, Philly, etc.?
Does anyone actually believe that fans of big market teams really care whether a #3 starter makes $22 million instead of $16 million a year and that it’s NOT just a cover for always wanting their teams to have an advantage because they (understandably) like winning and having a bunch of great players on their teams?
Of course not.
That’s why this charade will continue.
Says the guy who is ruining baseball…
Caps and floors are bad for baseball.
More revenue sharing and stricter rules forcing teams to spend that shared money.
Salary floor would be better. How many teams would Pete Alonso be a huge upgrade for but basically 2 teams (maybe) were bidding for his services.
Manfred is an employee of the owners, including the Dodgers’. He’s their lackey.
Calling for a floor without a cap is saying “I want to see the patsies do a better job of making it look like a real fight before they go down for the count..”
You know full well the rich teams will still outspend them no matter what and that’s the outcome you want.
Just admit it.
Everything you say about market size and spending is predicated upon free agency being the only way to build a team. It isn’t.
Endless money, and Dodgers have endless amounts of it, make things simpler for them, but the Reds, Cardinals, White Sox, Pirates or Rockies not being competitive comes down to incompetence and/or an unwillingness to add where it matters most.
They don’t have to spend like the Dodgers but they should at least show up and do their basic job of putting a competitive team on the field, and there’s lots of ways to do that.
So, what you are saying is that because they don’t have the money to compete in free agency with big market teams small market teams need to focus more on drafting and development, is that correct?
So, rather than advocate that the playing field be level, you are telling the peasants to do a better job of navigating the uneven terrain.
While the rich teams take the glide path paved in gold.
Because the goal is not a level playing field.
“They don’t have to spend like the Dodgers but they should at least show up and do their basic job of putting a competitive team on the field, and there’s lots of ways to do that.”
OK, cool…let’s say they do that.
Now what?
Will the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees just say “oh well, they caught up to us, good for them” or will they just spend even more?
Then what?
I guess you’ll say the small markets should spend even more.
And then the rich teams will spend more.
And that cycle repeats until there is a salary cap.
There won’t ever be a cap, whether you want one or not. The playing field will never be level. Ticket sales are up, sponsorship is up, revenue is up. The game is healthy.
What would you have the small market teams do?
Ticket sales are up? Oh, they are at an all time high? Or they are up from their recent lower levels.
Revenue and sponsorships are up? Adjusted for inflation?
I literally…literally…know one person under 50 who follows baseball at this point.
I know none…not one person…under 40 who do.
The RSN bubble is bursting even as the value of live programming is at an all time (zenith) high.
But, I agree…MLB will do nothing.
And in 30 years, baseball will follow boxing and horse racing from the top of the world to niche irrelevance.
Baseball is expanding globally. NFL is copying the model and hosting games internationally. It’s not going anywhere.
Dodgers aren’t ruining the game of baseball per se. They’re just ruining the experience for the other teams’ fanbases….
They stink up the league.
Dodgers are insanely overrated. Sasaki is an unknown who could lose 20+ games. Ohtani and Teo strike out way too much to ever be clutch. Ohtani and Teo are far more likely to be rallykillers(which showed in the 2024 World Series). That leaves Freeman and one player cannot carry a team in baseball.
Good take. I see why the Rockies have you in their front office.
MLB is ruining baseball, not the Dodgers
People think Manfred will tell Friedman or Kasten what to do with their money? Or Cohen and Stearns? Or Stuart Sternberg? He helped Fisher move them to Vegas though.