The Phillies are entering 2025 with a team that looks a whole lot like the one they finished the year with in 2024, with Jordan Romano, Max Kepler, and Jesus Luzardo being the club’s only major additions. While the club’s core group of players has been very consistent throughout this run of playoff appearances over the last three seasons, this year could be the final one with that level of consistency as Ranger Suarez, J.T. Realmuto, and Kyle Schwarber are all staring down free agency come November. On the other hand, the Phillies faced similar situations with Aaron Nola and Zack Wheeler in the recent past but managed to keep both players in the fold, re-signing Nola in free agency last winter and following that up by extending Wheeler last spring.
It seems possible that the club could employ a similar tactic with at least some of the core pieces set to depart after the current season. Realmuto and the Phillies reportedly have mutual interest in working out an extension, and now Schwarber had thrown his hat into the ring as well. According to Matt Gelb of The Athletic, Schwarber told reporters that he hasn’t heard of any extension talks between his camp and the Phillies but that he would have interest working something out to stay in Philadelphia. Gelb adds that Schwarber did not set any sort of deadline for extension talks to take place and suggests that the Phillies could “prioritize” getting a deal done with Schwarber out of their crop of pending free agents this spring.
That Schwarber may be the club’s priority to keep in the fold long-term is somewhat surprising given the smoke surrounding Realmuto, but it’s easy to see why the Phillies would want to keep Schwarber in the fold. Since arriving in Philadelphia prior to the 2022 season, Schwarber has emerged as one of the most reliable sluggers in the game. While his 29.4% strikeout rate is certainly higher than is desirable, he’s made up for it by walking at an incredible 15.3% clip and clobbering 131 home runs during his time as a Phillie. That’s good for third among all big leaguers over the past three seasons and just one long ball behind Shohei Ohtani for second place.
That sort of offensive production would be extremely difficult for the Phillies to replace, particularly if the club isn’t able to secure a superstar position player like Vladimir Guerrero Jr. or Kyle Tucker in next winter’s free agent class. Whether that’s enough incentive for Philadelphia to overlook Schwarber’s propensity for strikeouts and complete lack of defensive value and aggressively pursue and extension remains to be seen, but Gelb goes on to add that Schwarber is slated to work on improving his viability as a defensive option for the Phillies this spring. Schwarber came up as a catcher but wasn’t able to stick behind the plate and eventually moved to left field, but he was always an awkward defensive fit on the grass and played just five games in the field last year, spending the entire rest of the 2024 campaign at DH.
Now, Gelb reports that Schwarber is not only planning to play a bit more outfield in 2025 than he did last year, but that he’s also begun working with the club’s infield coach to learn first base. Schwarber has a little bit of experience at first over the course of his career, most of which came with the Red Sox back in 2021. In total, Schwarber has spent just 75 innings across 11 games at the position in his career. If he can make himself into a viable part-time option at the position, however, that could lessen the workload of fellow slugger Bryce Harper at the position while also potentially making him a more attractive free agent should the sides not work out an extension. Josh Naylor, Luis Arraez, and perhaps Pete Alonso are among the best first basemen aside from Guerrero set to be available in free agency next winter, and Schwarber offers a more robust offensive profile than any of them aside from Toronto’s superstar.
Schwarber will turn 32 in a few weeks. As a DH only player I would be fine offering him a 5-year deal, playing the final season of that deal at age 37. $20mm per season, so 5 years and $100mm. I like Schwarber and he is also an extremely limited player. If $20mm AAV doesn’t get it done I’d be fine if he tests FA.
Especially when they’re entire team is around that age. Eventually, that team’s gunna be expensive and poopy. That’s the price you pay for Dombrowski though. He can buy people, whether it’s with money or prospects, but he’s hard on the farm and clueless with the bullpen usually.
More whining from a Red Sox fan that blames Dombrowski
for the Red Sox bad business decision in letting Dombrowski go?!
Pathetic!
Complete BS!
Dombrowski has proven during his long, illustrious MLB career, that he can build teams using all the tools in the Front Office toolbox: player drafts, trades, free agency, international signings the entire package of options
Dombrowski is a 1st ballot Hall of Fame MLB Executive.
Keith Law ranks the Phillies #11 in farm system rankings. His reasoning: pic.twitter.com/AsQOfgY5sX
Since Dave Dombrowski became the Philadelphia Phillies’ president of baseball operations in December 2020, he’s helped construct one of the best teams in baseball. The Phillies have improved their record every year under his watch, making the playoffs three times in four seasons and becoming a perennial World Series contender.
While Dombrowski has assembled one of MLB’s most talented rosters by acquiring stars such as Kyle Schwarber, Trea Turner and Nick Castellanos, he’s also been quietly building one of the league’s better farm systems.
600+ strike outs in 3 seaons, i am a hard pass on him.
His .344 OBP and 121 dingers in that same timeframe more than make up for the Ks.
Jarred – Agreed! Red Sox Nation wishes he had stayed, we loved Kyle From Waltham.
Schwarber is still QO eligible, right?
steve, Why would the Phils extend Schwarber for more money and more years than his original contract called for? I don’t think even Schwarber’s agent would by bargaining for more than 2 or 3 years, and that at a hometown discount. You’re right that Schwarber is an extremely limited player. He can’t play any defensive position, he slows down the Phils potential running game when he gets on base, he is being turned into a singles hitter by the Phils in an attempt to reduce his yearly 200+ strikeouts, he sports a pedestrian .230 lifetime batting average and, perhaps most alarmingly, he hogs the DH position, thereby depriving other players like Realmuto, Catellanos, Turner, Bohm and Harper from taking a break from defense on a regular basis. The Phils’ lack of a DH by committee has become a major issue for an aging team, which could make Schwarber expendable and his $20 million a year all the more important for the Phils’ free agent acquisitions and yearly salary increments to existing players. The pressure has been on Thomson to move Schwarber out of the leadoff position in an attempt to generate more offense and runs. It will be interesting to see if Thomson does this, how long he sticks with the change, and how this affects Schwarber’s performance at the plate. Schwarber is not the most reliable hitter to have at bat in clutch situations, and his being moved to the middle of the lineup will test both his ability to bring in runners other than himself and his ability to survive in a spot in the batting order where pitchers will be unable to pitch around him. This could potentially make Schwarber a better hitter statistically but, on the other hand, it could also lead to fewer walks and more strikeouts. If the latter becomes the case, Schwarber’s future with the Phils could be jeopardized. There appears to be a public relations campaign across the media that is advocating Schwarber’s extension with the Phils. The campaign is painting Schwarber is an unseemly shade of perfection and conveniently disregarding Schwarber’s inadequacies or the Phillies’ need to field a more complete team that takes better advantage of its resources and opportunities which will hopefully translate into a world series championship. If the Phils wait to see how Schwarber does this season before offering him an extension and the Phils don’t set the world on fire in the first half of 2025, Schwarber could very well find himself skating on thin ice – and looking like a very heavy man.
You win some ballgames? Then sign him up! Ahahahahaha!
Schwarbs should just go out and put up the biggest year yet and cash in next year,
I still can’t believe that idiot Hoyer straight up released this guy. Chicago will always love Schwarbs.
Non-tendered, right? Twas strange
They went with Michael Hermosillo instead. Absolutely pathetic on Discount Jed’s part.
No, they went with Joc Petersen.
Pedersen, that is. I know it was the pandemic season, but .188 is just asking to get non-tendered. It was worse to trade Yu Darvish, but that was done to stay around the CBT threshold during the pandemic.
Yes but they signed both as free agents. Joc was the bigger replacement but his back up was Hermoosillo. The point is both were bad choice but Joc did win back to back world series rings too.
I suspect that Philly would like to retain both Realmuto and Schwarber, but only if the price is right. We shall see if their respective agents are reasonable with salary expectations.
Suarez seems to be a trade candidate in waiting. Unless he has an awesome year and merits a reasonable extension. Even if he does not, I doubt Philly will want him back for his asking price, which will surely be $15+ million per year.
I didn’t check whether any of them are repped by Boras…
I think Realmuto shouldn’t get extended unless it’s for a relatively cheap or short term deal. He’s tapered off quite a bit the last few seasons on both offense and defense. Catchers in general age out a lot faster than other players.
Signing Realmuto and Schwarber makes good sense.
…unless they commit everything needed for Tucker.
Tucker + Harper = 🙂
It’d be great for them if they got Tucker, but if they can’t manage that then making sure Schwarber is sticking around should be a priority.
O’s, how does resigning both Realmuto and Schwarber make good sense? The Phils have been fielding a very expensive team for the past 3 years but been unable to win a championship. How long can the Phils be expected to pay players to continually finish out of the money?
Playoffs are a crapshoot. The Phillies know this, every team knows this. All you have to do is get in and then hope for a hot streak. The 84-78 DBacks made it all the way to game 6 in 2023 just off of pure vibes, they were only the 3rd Wild Card. The Dodgers often have the best team in baseball, then fade in the playoffs, but they’re still the class of the NL because they’re always winning the division and giving themselves the best chances to win.
The Phillies are built to get in the playoffs annually right now. They won the division last year! Sure, they’re aging and expensive, but Schwarber is not the problem here. His skill set is one I’d feel comfortable saying it’ll age gracefully. Very good plate discipline and elite power can carry a player into his mid-late 30s. Plus, we don’t know what kind of extension him and the Phillies may ultimately agree on. They both could go with high salary 1-year deals, which may be a good idea for both sides. Schwarber gets paid handsomely each year and can bet on himself, and the Phillies won’t have to commit to him forever in case he does fall off.
jarred, For all the reasons previously stated, Schwarber may not be the problem but, most certainly, he is a problem – and one the Phils will have to solve if them plan to move forward.
I hate the DH, but as long as it exists the Phillies need one and Schwarber is to the Phillies lineup what David Ortiz was in Boston.
heels, Comparing Schwarber to Ortiz is a bit unrealistic. Ortiz was a slugger. Schwarber is the name of a sandwich at WaWas.
Phillies have yet to win a ws with their squad. Ive never understood why schwarber is in the leadoff spot. Hits the occasional leadoff hr but doesn’t hit singles and get sbs like Ricky Henderson. He should be batting 5th or 6th. Toronto DH next year.
* it took 7 corrects from auto correct to write sbs.
He gets on base. He put out a .366 OBP last year, and has a .344 OBP since he moved to Philly. That’s why he leads off.
citizen, Schwarber likes leading off and, since the inmates are running the institution, the Phils let him lead off. We’ll see if Thomson finally succumbs to the mounting pressure to move Schwarber out of the leadoff spot and how Schwarber responds. The move may not be as productive as many think, but it should be entertaining.
It’d be difficult to justify moving him though. Yes ideally you want a high OBP guy with at least some speed in front of a bruiser like Schwarber but the Phillies aren’t really built that way and he’s one of the best OBP guys they have. Plus, the chance that he can turn a game 1-0 right out of the gate gives them a serious advantage.
jarred, Did you ever watch any of the numerous instant replays of Schwarber watching a 3-2 pitch and being awarded a walk when the replay showed the pitch to be a strike? That may change if he is in the middle of the batting order when there are men on base and more scrutiny of close 3-2 pitches by umpires. My question is what will Thomson do if Schwarber doesn’t do well hitting in a different spot in the batting order.
Good. I hope it happens. But I hope if they extend Schwarber, they don’t extend JT. Schwarber is limited, but his offensive production isn’t easy to replace. JT’s not going to catch for many more seasons and if he’s not a catcher he’s not a star.
Chicago still loves ya schwarbs. Forever a Cubs legend.
If he gets one, it won’t be for long, or shouldn’t be.
I bet he is. It’d be much more interesting to name someone who isn’t interested in one.
The names you are looking for are Tucker and Bregman. And anyone else repped by Boras and not named Altuve.
Vlad and Bo too.
They are too, it’s just gotta start with 400
“Employee may consider receiving more money from employer”. I know it’s slow until ST games start but get tired of these posts where players are open to extensions, I think that is a given and of course it always just comes down to $$.
It’s less annoying than the stupid “(TEAM WHO DIDN’T SIGN FREE AGENT) was also interested in (FREE AGENT WHO SIGNED WITH DIFFERENT TEAM)” articles every damn time somebody signs a contract above $1 million.
I disagree, Jarred. It is interesting, especially when offers are leaked.
Stealing this from @Gwynning:
> Enjoys baseball, even offseason
> Signs in to MLBTR
> Selects and reads article
> Goes to comment section
> Writes “I know it’s slow; get tired of these posts”
> Genius
I’d do 2-3 years for both Schwarber and JT but no more. The Phillies’ core is aging, while slightly younger, but for the first time since 2005 they have key prospects knocking on the door: Painter, Miller, Crawford, probably Tait. That’s a nice group for 2-5 years from now. QO Ranger. The 2026 rotation looks good even if there is a key injury.
real, It will be difficult for the Phils to keep both Realmuto and Schwarber if they really plan to bring Painter, Miller, Crawford and Marchan to the bigs any time soon. Tait is still not ready for prime time. The kid is a phenom, but he’s only 18.
I don’t see any conflict between either Realmuto or Schwarber with Painter, Miller, Crawford, or Marchan. Painter is a pitcher, so irrelevant. Miller is an IF, and Crawford a CF. Left and Center aren’t really settled and Castellanos is really a 2-year player at this point, so no conflict. Marchan could be a conflict behind the plate for Realmuto, but only if he proves he can stay healthy for more than a week at a time.
kje, A team can only have so many players on its roster. Adding a lot of new talent will require the Phils to get rid of some existing players. With more offensive options, the Phils may have to go to a DH by Committee to get more players times at bat. Given the option of Realmuto as a part-time catcher and part-time DHer or Schwarber as the team’s exclusive DH, who do you think the Phils would pick, the salary being roughly equivalent for both players? The choice should be obvious to an astute individual such as yourself. Realmuto has been one of the game’s absolute best catchers for several years and, being healthy and athletic, he still has some gas in the tank. Schwarber is an inconsistent hitter with a pedestrian batting average and no defensive skills. Moving on from Schwarber and adopting a DH by Committee will allow the Phils to free up $20 million a year and acquire additional reliable offense which they sorely need. Realmuto and Marchan together will give the Phils a formidable catching crew for a few more years until Tait is ready to take over. If it doesn’t look like the Phils are going to win the world series as this year’s trade deadline approaches, watch Dombrowski start to play Bingo with the GM cards in his Rolodex.
Have to flush that interest out now to some degree. To answer poster above not a Boras client Excel Sports. Good group.
Anyway. Let’s recall Dombrowski looks to trade player X and Y unsuccessfully in off season. Schwarber in the last year of a contract with no trade protection other than the 10/5 rule which means the player to be notified if said players name is involved is somehow the counter requested player negotiations. Which means, teams A,B and C might be options if Philly won’t extend. And wants to make that clear by way of pesky media to those teams aware of the possible opportunity.
Joey Gallo wishes he can be Kyle Schwarber
Kyle Schwarber is just a fatter Joey Gallo
babyray, Is that Gallo or Callo?
Kyle Schwarber is Joey Gallo but actually good.
jarred, Wrong again. Schwarber is not Joey Gallo. He is Schwarber, and good is a relative term.
reynaldo, why?
I’ll be surprised if they bring back older guys like Schwarber and Realmuto when they could pivot to someone younger like Tucker. I would think they’d want to get away from these contracts for aging players, especially for someone like Schwarber who doesn’t play the field at all anymore. Let’s be honest, if they don’t win this year, the current window seems pretty closed to me.
Especially when you can sign Tucker, a gold glove RFer. This opens up the DH spot for Castellanos. Move Harper to Left Harper, Walsh Tucker in the OF. Castellanos walks after next year and you have the DH spot open for Harper..
The Phillies are making the playoffs every year when a few years ago, they could not even come close to the playoffs for 10 years?!
Their window is wide open
The rotation has been fortified by Luzardo trade and extensions,
The minor league talent pipeline is also open ready to produce more major league players.
Dombrowski says SP Andrew Painter will be promoted in 2025 to MLB.
Philles also have SS Aiden Miller and OF Justin Crawford very close to the majors.
Catching prospect Eduardo Tait is 1-2 years away from the majors.
Extend JT for a few more years and Tait will be ready to grab the baton in ’27 or ’28
I am not sold on Jordan Romano as the Phillies Closer though.
Ma, well said and totally accurate.
My guess is Phillies re-up just one of Realmuto or Schwarber… probably Schwarber. Can’t see them being perennially luxury tax payers of $50m+. Decisions will need to be made. Outfield needs an upgrade as well.
out, “Probably Schwarber?” Why?
For what it’s worth.. Phillies could trade Realmuto and Castellanos and get under the luxury tax. Just sayin’.
Trade those two, go out and sign Tucker and Vlad and they’d still be under the cap if Schwarber and Suarez walk.
The Phillies are more likely to trade someone from the rotation depth to get the best return especially if Andrew Painter is ready to start in the majors.
Trade them for what? Castellanos would only bring a small return, Realmuto would bring nothing
phillis, There are competitive teams that would still consider Realmuto valuable – even as only a part-time player. JT does a lot more for the Phils than his numbers suggest.
Salary relief? Some random low-A ball prospects that may one day beat all the odds and become studs in 2029?
Your math is off…luxury tax # is at roughly 307m now…cap # is 241m. Tucker and Vlad will cost more than all four on a per year basis.
Vlad is a 1B/DH
I don’t see him fitting on this team with Harper @ 1B and Schwarber @ DH unless they let Schwarber walk which is highly unlikely.
Like Tucker, but think Phillies need to get younger. If Castellanos leaves, then maybe Tucker takes his spot?
fan, why is the Phils letting Schwarber walk so unlikely?
They just have to get under for 1 year to reset the luxury tax.
Let him walk. The team is about to be stuck with a bunch of old players.
Sign Tucker and get better on both sides of the ball
They ought to dump Castellanos’s contract and then roll that savings into keeping Schwarber. Then use the remaining budget to go after Tucker.
Coukda been a cub