The Red Sox finalized their three-year deal with Alex Bregman over the weekend. While it’s generally expected that Bregman will move to second base in his new home, skipper Alex Cora was noncommittal about their infield on Saturday.
Rafael Devers’ camp has made clear all offseason that the Sox’s longtime third baseman has no interest in a position change. Devers forcefully stated as much when speaking to the Boston beat this morning. “No. I play third,” he said through an interpreter when asked about his willingness to move off the position (link via Chris Cotillo of MassLive). “It’s my decision … My position is third base. Whatever it is they want to do is what they want to do. But my position is third base.”
Cora again reiterated that the Red Sox haven’t made any decisions. “He’s going to work out as the third baseman. And we’re going to make decisions accordingly. Here, it’s not about Bregman or Devers or Cora,” the manager said. “It’s for the Boston Red Sox. Whatever decision we make is going to be for the benefit of the team.”
Interestingly, Cora acknowledged that the Red Sox promised Devers that he’d be their long-term third baseman at the time the sides agreed on a 10-year extension in January 2023. That agreement came under a previous front office regime, as then-chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom was fired eight months later. Craig Breslow is now running baseball operations. Cora downplayed the significance of that promise as a result, saying it was under “different leadership. That was under Chaim” (relayed by Jen McCaffrey of The Athletic). Of course, Cora was the manager at the time of the extension, so there hasn’t been a leadership change in the clubhouse.
Devers was asked whether he’d seek a trade if the Red Sox forced him to move off third base. He didn’t rule that out but said it hasn’t been a focus. “That’s a tough answer to give. I haven’t given it much thought. I’ve been here my entire career,” he said (via McCaffrey). “I haven’t asked myself that question. I’m open to listening. I’m not close to those conversations.”
The most straightforward solution is still to keep Devers at third base and move Bregman to second. That’d block the clearest path to playing time for top prospect Kristian Campbell, who combined for a .330/.439/.558 slash in an incredible first full minor league season. Campbell had a roughly even share of playing time at each of second base, shortstop and in center field. He also picked up a few starts at third base.
While Boston could have Campbell open the season in Triple-A Worcester, they should be able to find ways to get him into the lineup if they feel he’s ready for an MLB call. If the Sox preferred to keep him at one position as a rookie, second base was the obvious choice before the Bregman signing. Unless they force Devers’ hand by pushing him to DH, they’d need to use Campbell in more of a utility role (at least until someone gets injured).
Campbell is versatile enough to bounce around while still playing regularly. He could spell Trevor Story at shortstop while rotating through the outfield. He’s unlikely to be as good a defensive center fielder as Ceddanne Rafaela, but he’d bring a higher offensive ceiling. Campbell’s right-handed bat could complement the lefty-swinging corner outfield tandem of Jarren Duran and Wilyer Abreu, as well as lefty-hitting DH Masataka Yoshida. Duran will play almost every day regardless of the opposing pitchers’ handedness. The Sox could use Abreu and/or Yoshida in more of a platoon capacity.
There’d be a defensive tradeoff. Devers has graded as a below-average defender in essentially every season of his career. Defensive Runs Saved had him nine runs below par last year, while Statcast graded him at five runs below average. Bregman rated 5-6 runs above average by those metrics and is coming off his first Gold Glove win. Bregman shouldn’t have much issue moving to second base. He’s a good athlete who likely would have spent most of his career in the middle infield had he not broken into an Astros team that had Carlos Correa and Jose Altuve. Still, there’d be a stronger defensive alignment with Bregman at third and one of Campbell or David Hamilton at second base.
For the Sox, the question is whether that’s worth alienating a player they’ve viewed as one of the faces of the franchise. Devers is signed through age 36. His defensive grades aren’t likely to improve as he approaches his 30s. At some point, the Sox are likely to push him off the position. Story and Bregman are each signed for three more seasons. They can both opt out after this year, though that seems unlikely for Story and at least debatable for Bregman (who’d be leaving a $40MM average annual value on the table).
Even if they’re comfortable using Campbell in a utility role for a season, they’ll probably want an everyday infield position available for him and top shortstop prospect Marcelo Mayer by next year. This should be workable in the short term but could pose some interesting questions before long.
You have no choice once you sign a contract. The team owns you. Play the position that they want you to play or be suspended.
Nah it sounds like the team also confirmed to him that he was their long term third baseman when he signed an extension with them.
He signed the contract on the premise he would be playing third. Now that he’s signed to have the team backtrack a year later and sign someone else and ask him to move would be incredibly shady.
It sounds like this was important to him even when he signed the extension so I have no problem with him refusing to move.
And before anyone says things change… well he has the right to also ask to be moved elsewhere if he’s no longer in their plans for 3B.
Move him to a new spot and sure he’ll trot out there and let the ball go right by him… Sox will still have to pay him no matter how little effort he puts in. Better to move him elsewhere if they want to backtrack on an agreement that led to an extension.
Sox have no one to blame but themselves if he refuses to move.
All of this assuming they do want him to move.
Oral commitments like this are binding only in the near term. Devers has his money and hopefully this is a leverage smokescreen for another move. He’s got bum shoulders and when at 100% health is still the worst defensive third baseman in the majors be it the eye test or stupid metrics. For the betterment of the club, become the DH and learn to relish in the position. Look at the Sox players who have DHed. Rice, Papi, Yaz. None complained.
None of that means anything. It’s clearly important to him. Red Sox know it’s important to him. And if someone else out there is willing to play him at 3B he has every right to ask to go play for that team. He made it very clear in his contract negotiations he wants to play 3B. It’s not like it’s coming out of nowhere blindsiding the Sox
Imagine interviewing for a job, getting hired, then the companies says we want you in a completely different position.
Sure you might move and work the new position, but would anyone blame you for going to a different company to work the position you originally interviewed for?
It’s the same thing. Devers can’t just quit and go sign elsewhere being the difference. He has to ask for them to trade him.
How much he sucks at third is irrelevant as long as someone is willing to let him suck there.
If any other team wanted to take his contract and keep him at third, I’m sure Boston would listen.
You make it sound like moving from 3B to 1B or DH is equivalent to being an accountant and being asked to move to engineering or HR with no training. That is a very poor comparison.
Devers is a baseball player. He signed a contract to play a game, and he should know he’s not a good 3B. If he wants to win — and I assume he does — then he should play where he’s told to play. Very soon, he will be the highest paid player on the BSR and yet NOT the best player on the field (if you believe the prospect rankings). Get over yourself, chubby, and go play the game where you’re told to play.
Frankly this is horrible argument. As Sadaharu said, he’s a baseball player who signed a contract to play baseball. Situations change over time for teams, players, and companies that require management, team members and employees to adjust. If Devers sucks more at 3rd base 2 years from now is it still his right to play there just because you say he was told he’s the starting 3rd baseman when he signed his deal? He’s required to do what’s best for the team, and that’s what he’s getting paid for. Changing positions is nothing new to the game and is part of the requirement of a player under contract if management thinks it’s best for the team. Sure, he can ask for a trade if he wants. That wouldn’t be selfish at all and I’m sure that’ll work out great for him
You have one star and you sign a guy who plays the same position and didn’t hit close to the guy you want to piss off ..
Yep, a better comparison would be you got hired at Burger King and you like working the grill, and see yourself as a burger maker, but hey you might get asked to work the register if a need arises. Your position isn’t a burger maker; your position is Burger King employee.
I mean, heck, most relievers saw themselves as starters at one point, but here we are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But his pay rate is the same regardless of the position. Can’t assume things will never change when nearly every player moves off their positions at some point. It’s not like playing 1B or DH will hurt his market value because he’s locked in for many years.
Harper and Betts bounced around the diamond and made the best of it because they are team players, and put in the work to be great at those positions too. And it allows the team to be better when you have more options of where to play guys.
He can ask, but no one has to oblige him. In the meantime the Sox have a CONTRACT for his next 9 seasons, and all he has is some oral agreement to play third, which, if it even happened, never specified for how long. His contract likely makes no mention of position, but might detail listening to the manager.
I agree, but some players after they sign a big contract refuse to change positions like Derek Jeter should have moved to second when the Yankees traded for Alex Rodriguez. Jeter was below average at SS but since he was the Captain they kowtowed to his demands. Devers might think in his own mind he is better than Bregman at 3B.
It’s not irrelevant, if the Red Sox don’t want to trade him!!
Being the worst defensive third baseman in MLB is clearly important to him.
You nailed it. The Red Sox, by signing Bregman, just grew a weed for the sake of picking it.
I hope he demands a trade and ruins the clubhouse moral.
Morale
Yuniesky Betancourt never moved off short either and was awful.
No that’s where you’re wrong. He’s not required to do what’s best for the team. And in no way does the organization “own” him. The same way whatever company you work for doesn’t own you.
He has every right to refuse to move to a new position and if he does that leaves BOSTON in the uncomfortable position to pay him his guaranteed money to do nothing, or cut their losses and trade him possibly eating some of what they owe him.
There’s only 1 thing anyone owes anyone else in this situation and that’s Boston owing him his money. They don’t have to play him at third if they don’t want, but they have to pay him regardless.
That’s how MLB contracts work. Some of you are completely misguided to think it’s Devers that must comply. What if they want him to play catcher even though he’s never played catcher before? That takes a toll on players knees. He just HAS to move there? No wrong. Maybe they force him to pitch even though that causes arm problems. He just HAS to pitch now?
Obviously they won’t ask him to play those spots because he’d be even worse but the point is he does not HAVE to move positions. So many of you are clueless drones who clearly let your own job control you to take a stand for yourself.
Props to Devers and lol at those of you with no spine thinking you HAVE to follow all of the orders your organization gives to you. When they say jump, some of you say how high. Very sad.
Sox have the contract? Actually it’s Devers who has the contract. Nothing in that contract says he has to play. Just ask the Angels and Anthony Rendon. Once again so many of you are misguided into thinking that contract means the org controls the player. They control the rights to him and that’s about it. The contract does however stipulate they have to pay the player unless he retires. As long as Devers shows up and stands there in the dugout he’s fulfilled his duty to the contract. There’s unlikely anything in it that stipulates he just play the position the organization chooses for him or he forfeits the money.
And everyone pointing out other players move positions that means nothing. None of them were required. Just because they did it doesn’t mean Devers should do it. Irrelevant posts to this discussion.
Braves, no one is insinuating Devers will not play hard if moved off third. While things may have been said during the negotiations, such likely had well intentions but things change. They likely could have included a position change clause in the deal that could have resulted in more money or an opt out if it happened.
you are correct…he doesn’t HAVE to move, but the Sox hold all the leverage in this case. If they tell him he will DH and he refuses, he can be suspended. If he continues to refuse, the sox have grounds to terminate his contract. Not the best outcome for either side…sox lose their biggest offensive threat and Devers has no chance of ever getting a contract the size he signed with the sox. Sox should give him the beginning of spring training with both of them working at 3B so that he can see with his own eyes in real time that he is inferior to Bregman as a defensive 3B.
disagree. If he is penciled into the lineup at DH and he refuses to play, the organization can suspend him without pay. If he continues to refuse, they have grounds to terminate his contract. It isn’t as easy as just showing up to earn that $.
What would a trade package look like if the Cubs were interested?
@BravesFan2024 Well said.
his career .944 fielding percentage at 3B begs to differ! Yoshida has 3 years left(if not moved sooner). Devers will be their DH on the back end of that contract.
BravesFan: Granted. Still, I can’t imagine any unselfish professional insisting on being so inflexible.
I wouldn’t play a position that makes me unhappy. And honestly when I was in high school I got moved from 2B to the outfield. I quit that year. Next year my senior year they had no 2B and wanted me to come back and I did not.
I was never going to play past HS so I’m not pretending to be super great here, but the point is that for some people they don’t want to play another position. He might really enjoy third. So yeah if someone is willing to play him there inspite of his performance why should he not use that leverage to play the position he enjoys the most? What… just because he makes a lot of money he should forfeit part of the job he enjoys? I wouldn’t do it, and though I wasn’t getting paid, I didn’t do it. The only difference between me and him was that I wasn’t good enough to demand not moving hahaha
That comment right there shows the kind of person you are.
Also sounds like a different person made the promise making it invalid specially if a better 3rd baseman is now on the team. From what I read devers defense is bad and probably only going to get worse so why keep someone else’s promise? Just for the sake of it? Nope above poster is right playwhere your told or ride the bench kinda easy you’d think.
He’s a selfish prik considering that he doesn’t compare to others on his team defensively
Does the contract say, “Devers will forever be a third baseman”? That would be quite a unique contract clause.
Better be in writing or he has no legal leg to stand on.
@braves fan, I agree 100%. I thought for sure Devers would be the one who moved off until these comments. He wants to stay there and sox are gonna let him
Keeps casas in lineup !
BravesFan2024 —
Perhaps, but Devers is a clank glove and Bregman is a Gold Glove. With Kristian Campbell an almost can’t miss prospect, Devers should learn first base if he doesn’t want to DH so early in his career. What the Sox do with Casas in that situation is anyone’s guess, but I bet Boston could get an excellent return for Casas if it comes to that.
Darren – This quote is EXACTLY what I’ve been saying over and over all offseason. Common sense dictates when they were negotiating the extension they HAD to have discussed how long he’d be at 3B.
And the fact that Cora acknowledged it, rather than lying by denying it, leads me to believe perhaps there is something in writing that is enforceable. I just hope the union doesn’t get involved.
I say things for a reason, people!
“Interestingly, Cora acknowledged that the Red Sox promised Devers that he’d be their long-term third baseman at the time the sides agreed on a 10-year extension in January 2023. That agreement came under a previous front office regime, as then-chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom was fired eight months later. “
There is no way playing a position is in writing. Things change and one thing Henry is not is dumb. While the team needed a PR move when the deal was done, they were not so desperate to have included such a clause. Money talks and they overpaid due to the image situation.
dewey – Even if it’s not in writing, Cora acknowledged the promise …. game over for the Red Sox.
They are responsible for this mess, not Devers.
If they wanted a good 3B, they never should have extended Devers. They should have traded him in 2022 or better yet, traded him to the Dodgers in 2020 along with Price.
Game over for the Red Sox? Nah bud, that’s not how that works. There’s no clause saying that he’s required to play 3B every night. His contract is a commitment to play baseball for the Red Sox. There’s a hierarchy that decides the team’s roster, lineup and who plays where in the field, not him
Fever, I respectfully disagree. He’s being paid to hit and his shoulders will likely get worse continuing to field. His agent had to explain it when the ink was drying that things can change. He has worked hard so they probably thought he would at least become average. Unfortunately, he can’t play third and I can’t cook. Thus, we order in more than we should because my wife’s disability prevents her from cooking. We do our best though and the marriage works. Devers needs to understand it’s best for the team to not have him at third.
Dewey – it’s an optics thing. The Red Sox are showing that they will say one thing to their star player to sign an extension, and then go and renege on it after two years.
What does that say about the organization? Not anything good.
Devers is a 3 time all-star, and has gotten MVP votes in most of his seasons. He can play 3B, he just isn’t a great defender. And that’s ok. This whole “he can’t play 3B” is completely overblown. Let’s see what happens after he out in the work and doesn’t have a revolving door at shortstop. If you actually watched Devers play, you would see progress year over year. Now maybe it’s not as much progress as everyone wants, but he is a much better defender today than he was entering the league.
Devers is the worst fielding third baseman in the American League!! Every inning he is playing that position in the field, is a ” net negative”, for the Red Sox. Campbell’s spring training preformance, will determine if Devers even starts the season at third base. The chance of him playing the full year at third, is at best ” highly unlikely”!!
ray – By Game Over I don’t mean legally, I mean Devers will likely have a bug up his ass for the rest of his Sox career if he is forced to move directly to fulltime DH this year.
And the Red Sox will become even more of a pariah to future free agents.
Lie and deceive your one star player into signing a long extension, and then move him after just one year of the extension? Yeah free agents won’t want any part of the Red Sox, unless they are massively overpaid. Look how many free agents have said “No thanks” to the Red Sox the past few offseasons including this one.
If it really comes to that, a trade might be the best resolution for both sides …. with the Red Sox eating a good chunk of the contract because they would have no leverage.
dewey – If Devers was told things could change, then the Red Sox wouldn’t be making a promise to him now would they?
But I agree with you, if he physically can’t play the field pain-free then he would be forced to DH. It would be the best solution, but obviously no guarantee of that occurring and I’ve never been one to root for any player getting injured.
As for best for the team, allocating $260M over the next 9 seasons to the DH position is a massive waste of resources that hurts the team far more than it helps.
Joeme, optics? I’ve led the parade o. bashing ownership recently but signing him to that deal was for optics. I love the comments about Cora because he may have sent the message to Devers but it’s unlikely he was in the room when the deal was negotiated.
Fever, what’s done is done. Devers has the type of body that will not age well. Add in his already creaky knees and I want to protect the bat investment.
I don’t think anything in the current CBA actually has an enforceable “you must play me at this position” aspect to contracts. The closest I could see is a pitcher having grounds for a grievance if he was moved to the bullpen when his contract included a vesting options based on IPs/starts.
Either way the discussion is sort of moot for the time being. In the standard vs. RHP lineup that also includes Casas and Yoshida, 3B is the only logical place to play Devers. (Yes you could have Devers DH and Yoshida in LF, but is that any better defensively?)
Meow – Tony nailed it in his article. No matter how much better the defense at 3B would be, if the overall team impact is negative then what’s the point?
If you are considering leaving your job, and your boss, his boss, and the owner promises you a promotion in 3 years, and his boss leaves after two years, how would you feel if your boss tells you “sorry Meow, you’re not getting that promotion after all because I have a new boss”.
It’s no different, you’d be pissed too.
If I’m getting paid a $30mil salary and being called “Meow” at work, I think I landed my dream job (cat in a luxury cat cafe, obviously)!
I take your point, but at some point I do think the onus is on Devers to be a team player and realize his best value is as a pure hitter. He’s being paid quite well for what he brings to the table (elite bat, average-ish everything else), so I’m not sure a normal job analogy carries us that far.
Although, like I said, for now keeping Devers as the primary 3B is the most sensible option given the state of the roster regardless. Barring any moves of Casas or Yoshida that will remain true for 2-3 more years. Perhaps that will be enough time for Devers to either up his defense or realize on his own that he needs to relocate in his 30s.
Meow – I gave you a thumb for the humor ;O)
How does paying a guy over $260M to be the DH for the next 9 years help the Red Sox be a better team? That’s insanity, it’s an incredible waste of resources by a team that has a history of cheapness.
I think at this point they either agree to platoon him at 3B or they need to trade him … and of course eat some money.
“You be pissed too”…If your bosses told you you could do half the work at the SAME PAY GUARANTEED, why on earth would you be “pissed”?
Most people would be thinking celebration dinner or victory lap. For an awful lot of people, what Devers is complaining about would be like winning the Lotto for them.
Um, that happens all the time.
Team – When it happens, the employee who was lied to usually leaves shortly after.
“How does paying a guy over $260M to be the DH for the next 9 years help the Red Sox be a better team?”
If there’s a better 3B option on the team than that guy then moving the inferior 3rd baseman to DH would help them win more games
There is a good chance that either Casas or Yosihida gets traded before opening day. Campbell, plays heavily into this equation. If he has a strong spring training, he will most likely win the second base job, moving Bregman back to third. Devers is so poor defensively at third, that moving to first or dh, was happening, at the very latest, after the 2025 season.
It’s not the same Fever. We all have had situations but things change. Unless you’re in a union, who today has a “contract”?
The two 700+ million dollar guys will be DH’s soon. One more pitching injury and Ohtani will be a DH. Mark my words. His bat is too good and even when healthy pitching, his SB’s will plummet I’m betting.
It’s not complicated at all. Devers won’t ( nor should he) be playing third base, even by the all star break this year!! Leaving him at third, isn’t in the Red Sox best interests.
I highly doubt they promised a horrible defender 3B for the next 10 years. They probably promised it for that season and people are switching the language around because they wanna defend him.
This ^
Fever, what about the hidden cost to pitchers who get injured because of Cora’s overuse and mismanagement in part attributable to Devers’ errors? Add in the lost income by not having playoff games and less marketability because the team didn’t win? How much is gained by each duck boat parade? We don’t know but I’m guessing Henry knows.
I mean he stated that he wanted to be the third basemen long term so the Red Sox had an idea before hand. Still, when youre defensive grades aren’t there like Devers he should consider moving to first, easier position and well just be a team player you’re already being payed do whats best to get a world series ring.
danny – I agree Devers should be tried out at first base. But if he hates it there, then what? Do you really want a guy making $29M/yr who is miserable playing the game? And negatively impacting his hitting?
That’s basically like having Rendon on the team.
Fever- I agree with your point. At the end of the day you want his bat in the lineup and if he’s going to be upset then yes keep him at third to be happy and not mess up his routine. But you would think that these professionals would think about the team and what’s best for the team but I guess each player has different priorities. Maybe he doesn’t value winning a world series as much anymore since he already has one. Just think a professional would want to be an asset and what’s best for the team. But I agree with you Fever.
Dam baby take the ball and go home
The only argument that I have is that Bregman can opt out so it’s not a must that they move him off third but I think long term as he ages he needs to move to first or DH.
Moving Devers off third is not an option, for better or for worse, that’s where he plays, and if they break their alleged word to him, things could get ugly. Signing Bregman without a clear plan laid out in advance seems absurd to me. What the heck did they tell Bregman? I’m sure he said for $40 million a year I’ll play wherever you want.
They knew Bregman could at least play second base where there is an opening. They probably knew this was coming with Devers too. I think Cora will likely work things out.
Haha Yankee fan chiming in to say yes, please! Ostracize then suspend your best player.
Remember when reigning MVP Miguel Cabrera moved to 3rd to make room for Prince Fielder? How about all the times HoFers like Pete Rose, Robin Yount, and Craig Biggio played anywhere, anytime so their teams could win?
Champions make sacrifices for the team. All time greats love the game and the challenge. With Devers driving clubhouse culture, this team won’t even sniff the playoffs.
Don’t knock the guy for speaking his mind. He’s pissed off that he’s not being given the opportunity to outplay Bregman before it’s being taken away. Devers was the worst 3B in the league and Bregman won a gold glove. It’s an inevitable move, but it’s not crazy to think the man wants a chance to prove himself. Hes not dumb, he’s not a bad teammate, he’s none of these things you all want to assign to him for not willingly moving over before spring training even begins. I applaud his confidence and gamesmanship. I’m pretty sure you will see him give up his starting position when he’s convinced his best chance of winning is as the full time DH. Dont be mad at Raffy, be mad at ownership for treating his “promise” as though it was meaningless. It certainly meant something to him.
“Don’t knock the guy..Not being given the opportunity to outplay Bregman”…That ship sailed YEARS and years ago, when Bregman was becoming a GG caliber 3bman while Devers was solidifying his reputation as a ham handed, fumble fingers at 3B.
The fact that Bregman is a FAR superior defender was well established a long, long time ago and doesn’t need to be revisited due to Rafael Dever’s fantasies, love of self or ego..
Yes on paper Devers should know he’s not going to be able to outplay Bregman defensively. I get it. We all get it. Hell, he probably gets it. Doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be given the opportunity to actually be outplayed this spring. That’s all I’m saying.
This could be a nothing story. I’m quite sure all options were discussed with Devers, Bregman and both agents before Bregman signed. You also wonder if the translation was accurate. I once had a case where my attorney stopped the deposition to tell the translator she spoke fluent Spanish and her translation was not even close to being accurate. True story and that attorney is now a State judge in the Bronx.
It doesn’t have to be labeled as fantasy or love of self or even ego. It could simply be that he deserves a chance to lose his job this year, by being outplayed by another player in a Red Sox uniform. Rather than just giving it up before spring training even begins. That’s what spring training is for.
He should have already lost his job as a third baseman based on his glove each season.
Trade him for someone who understands they are paid to further the team.
He is a terrible 3rd base glove.
Yes. He’s terrible at third. And yes it’s not a bad time to consider a trade. He does deserve a chance to see himself being outplayed in person before it’s just taken away. I think that’s his issue with reporters just forcing him to admit he’s a liability at third, and should surrender his position to the “new guy” sight unseen.
I hope he chooses the suspension. Hahahaha Ted Sox fans are funny.
@Darren et al
It kind of surprises me that the guy that should have been paid $300 million plus and is willing to play all over the field tootled off to the Dodgers.
The guy that is an execrable fielder & plays one man soccer insists upon playing 3B. Which thus causes all manner of blocking better defenders throughout the infield.
Clearly know of us know nothing…
Uhh ohh
From the Cotillo article linked above:
“He has a lot of pride,” Cora said. “We know that. He feels like he’s the third baseman. He’s going to work out as the third baseman. And we’re going to make decisions accordingly. Here, it’s not about Bregman or Devers or Cora. It’s for the Boston Red Sox. Whatever decision we make is going to be for the benefit of the team.”
It sounds like Cora is prepared to do what is best for the Red Sox and he will move Devers off third base if he thinks that is what is best. It sounds like Cora will do what is best regardless of people’s feelings.
“Even if I’m the worst in the league.”
Nobody should have agreed to that. If Chaim did, then he deserved to be fired.
Chaim has solidified himself as one of the very best GMs in all of sports. That farm, payroll restraint, roster construction and success despite fan scrutiny has solidified his position at the top. Might as well start rooting for him sox fans !
…grabbing popcorn…
It sounds like some things may not have been translated well by Devers’ translator. When he says that he is a 3rd baseman it is because the translator literally asks him “What position do you wish to play?” He also clarifies that he’s not gonna change his position “just like that”, he never says that he will never play anything other than 3B, but he is clear that is not in his mind at the moment.
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Imagine being paid $30 million per and making demands like this. I get most players want to play at premier positions, but you’re getting paid anyway, and especially when you’re a guy whose not known for having great defense, why not just bite the bullet? Machado famously did and it’s not dinged his legacy at all.
Seriously, if you’re getting paid over 300 million dollars to play ball, you ought to do what you’re told if it makes your team that much better. Mookie Betts has had no problem being a utility player for the Dodgers. He sucks it up and gives his best effort anyway.
Has anyone ever shown Devers his defensive stats? Maybe he thinks he’s good, maybe he’s flexin in the clubhouse, “Damn, can I play 3rd or what!” Ahahahahaha!
Sounds like slavery
Slavery, at 30 million a year. Lololol
The Deandre Hopkins version of the plantation
“Version of the plantation”..Latrell Sprewell can’t be expected to feed his family on only $15 Million per year.
To be fair, the Orioles made the change prior to Manny’s MLB debut and the change expedited his debut significantly (jumping him straight from AA to the Majors) since JJ Hardy had SS on lock while 3B was a black hole at the time.
Machado hurting his knee early in his career also had a part in the decisions Baltimore made. I think they figured moving him off of short would keep him healthier/help him play better overall.
Not really, he was still playing SS just fine full time prior to the decision to have him skip AAA and use him to fill the black hole at 3B on the MLB roster, which was surprisingly in the middle of a pennant race.
It was the fact that he almost immediately became an absolutely elite defensive 3B that kept him there even as Hardy began to decline.
Dark – So you’re saying since Devers is making less than $30M AAV, he is justified in making demands? ;O)
Sorry but I side with Devers on this. The Red Sox front office and manager (all of whom are still with the team except Bloom) promised him he’d stay on 3B longterm. Devers accepted their offer based on that promise. Now the Red Sox are required to honor that promise.
It will be interesting to see how many people here defend the pathological liars in the Red Sox front office who conned a player into signing by making a promise they may not intend to keep.
Fever I disagree on this one. He may have been signed as third baseman but his defense is costing games. He still has to earn his position and he simply hasn’t. The pitching has suffered because of his defense and Boston has quite a few ground ball pitchers. He hasn’t earned the position and he certainly hasn’t earned it over a far superior defender. My guess they will let him start at third in deference to Devers but if he has a poor start then they will move him to DH or if he gets injured then Bregman slides over and that is that. The ball is in his court I don’t give a rats ass how much money you make you still have to earn it and he hasn’t earned it defensively.
Bruin – So you don’t care about the Red Sox deceiving Devers by lying to him during the extension negotiations? Taking away the guy’s job after just one year of the extension?
In 2021 Xander was the 3rd-worst fielder of all 28 MLB shortstops. And look at how he improved his defense the following year, and the contract he got.
I fully expected to be alone on an island here as I know there’s much hatred toward both Devers and Yoshida, so all good. But I will never condone a player being deceived and lied to by a team. This could get really ugly.
Congratulations Red Sox, you may have unleashed a whole lot of unnecessary drama,
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You still have to perform simple as that and he hasn’t . This should light a fire under his ass. I expect that he will start at third with Bregman at 2nd but with Bregman spelling him at third a couple of times a week. I could also see a scenario where pitchers force the hand starting with Buehler, he’s fiery and I could see him demanding that Bregman be the third baseman when he pitches after a few well timed Devers miscues. He’s pitching for a contract and my guess he the first to get vocal about it. If I was a pitcher and thought he wasn’t the best option for me to win you’d be damn straight I would speak up. The Red Sox have some pitchers now who will speak their mind. I think Devers will start at third but he will be on a short leash and if the pitchers complain for verifiable reasons then he will be moved off the position.
Bruin, thank you. Fever and I often see things similarly but not this one. Devers is a great hitter but his defense hurts the team big time as you mentioned earlier. Funny part is if he demands a trade, how much money would Boston have to eat? Perhaps that would be the eye opener if his eyes are really closed. I’ve said it above, I think this is a bunch of nothing.
I’m telling you Dewey I can’t wait for the first time Devers gets that death glare from Buehler. He’s not exactly real forgiving with fielders that screw up when he’s pitching and now he has Devers at third. My guess after that happens you will only see Bregman playing third when he pitches.
Bruin: not for nothing but Devers should very little say in where he plays but Buehler being his first year with the team should have even less in terms of where anyone plays. If he gets vocal about that he’ll come across as an even bigger DB than Devers.
As if he would’ve said no to 10/$313.5m had they said they couldn’t guarantee he’d stay at 3B. He would have signed that contract regardless. The idea that he accepted that deal only based on what position he’d play is nuts.
ray – Not as nuts as you thinking he couldn’t get more than $291.5M on the open market, which is the exact NPV of the extension.
Again, Xander was literally the 3rd-worst defensive shortstop in MLB after 2021. How did he make out in free agency?
Xander’s defense improved dramatically in his walk year in 2022 big reason why he was 6 war player. Devers was younger but he played the less value defensive position and was and has been awful he’s led the league in errors in every single full season he has played that’s really hard to do unless you are truly awful. I know that errors aren’t everything but advanced defensive metrics besides one outlier season say he’s the worst or one of the worst as well. I think Boston under Bloom was the only team that thought he was a third baseman defensively and I don’t think any team was going to pay him what he got in that extension.
Well, let’s see. Xander was actually a free agent after 2022, coming off a 5.9 bWAR season with a 131 OPS+; he actually registered a positive dWAR (1.4) and played a better SS (even if it was lousy) than Devers does 3B; and benefitted from an owner who tragically was trying to buy a championship before he passed – in a winter when there were a lot of big contracts (i.e., overpays) handed out.
Devers would have been a free agent after 2023, off a nice-looking (33 HR, 100 RBI) season that was still worth 2.4 bWAR less than Xander’s platform season, with a lower OPS+ and negative (-0.5) dWAR at a less demanding position than Xander’s. And the only big contract handed out that winter was to Shohei Ohtani, so the free agent money tap was a trickle.
And yes, Devers was only entering his age-28 season…….but it’s a huge question as to whether he would have gotten more than $291.5m last winter. Just because someone overpaid for Xander doesn’t mean someone would have overpaid for Devers, who very obviously was and is going to need to be moved off 3B and probably already would have been in most organizations.
Maybe someone would have – but the odds he’d have turned down that extension had they told him he’d be moving across the diamond are slim.
Angels might have signed him but they already wasted that money on Rendon.
Bruin – Yes, of course Xander’s defensive metrics improved a lot in 2022. Most defensive stats are very volatile from year to year. So if Xander’s can improve that much, why couldn’t they do the same for Devers in 2023? You kinda proved my point.
I don’t understand your last sentence, Devers was a third baseman under Dombrowski too.
In fact from the beginning of his professional career in 2014 under Cherington until now he played literally nothing but third base the entire time. You follow the minors quite a bit, isn’t that unusual? Don’t most players in the minors play multiple positions to gauge which one their best at?
In his professional career he’s played 11,198 innings in the field …. and all but six innings were at 3B.
So can you blame him for not wanting to play anywhere else yet? Obviously it’s important to him.
Team player.
And my position is Sydney Sweeney’s concubine!
“I’m a liability at the position, but I want to do it and I’ll throw a fit and say you disrespected me if you ask me to move off it.”
tigers – Dude, if the Red Sox – and that includes John Henry and Alex Cora – wanted a good 3B, then they never should have made the ridiculous extension offer. They should be held accountable for their promises. Spewing bullcrap lies to trick a player into signing is slimy as hell.
Where’s the quotes that say they promised him, or are people just switching words around and running with them? They probably said you’re the 3B (for that season). Who would promise to run a horrible defender out there for the next 10 years, lol.
Wonder what his reporting weight will be
*hand pressed longingly against the window* Meanwhile, Mookie is playing wherever they need him to…
Meow – Did the Dodgers promise Mookie would remain in the OF longterm?
It’s a moot point anyway, Mookie was a star 2B in the minors before he was moved to the OF. He had played nearly 2,000 innings at 2B and also played SS.
Eh, my comment comes more from my eternal angst that the Sox let Mookie go than from any actual criticism of Devers, to be honest.
And get your own turn of phrase, I just said “moot point” 😛
Meow – Just think how much better the organization would have been if they had packaged Devers with Price instead of Mookie with Price.
LA didn’t want Devers anyway.
Dodgers only took on Price because they were getting Mookie.
I wonder if he’ll be a Seattle Mariner by the trade deadline if Jorge Polanco at third base isn’t working out.
He costs real money so it’ll never happen.
LOL!
Rafael Devers will still be owed about 8-1/2 years of his 10 yrs/$313.5M (24-33) contract extension come this summer’s trade deadline.
The Mariners largest expenditure this past offseason was resigning Jorge Polanco to a guaranteed $7.75 million, a $7 million base salary for ’25 and a $750,000 buyout on a vesting player option for ’26.
Perhaps Rob Manfred can help the Red Sox solve this dilemma by adopting yet another cockamamie MLB rule change that allows for a designated third baseman. lol
That, or the Red Sox can just skip the shortstop position and let Bregman and Devers be co-third baseman on the left side of the infield. It’s not like Boston has great depth at SS with Trevor Story and Ceddanne Rafaela as their top choices for opening day. lol
This changes once Marcelo Mayer is deemed ready for prime time. Perhaps by then (likely 2026), Bregman will have exercised his first opt-out or Devers will grow up before the Red Sox deal him and his petulance to another team.
Devers isn’t being a team player. He’d have a pretty good argument if he was a decent third baseman but he’s not.
Devers has made it clear that he is an immature “me- only” player with no intention of doing what is best for the team. No matter how well he hits, he is dragging the team down. He needs to go.
He ain’t going nowhere with that bloated contract. Sox would hafta pay down quite a bit to make it happen….
Jeez, what a team player….
If the Red Sox cave to Devers then they’re just not that interested in becoming a GOATed team again.
After Devers spoke with the press, Gleyber Torres called him to say, “Atta boy”
“After Devers spoke..atta boy”..At least Gleybar Torres had a strong business reason for his “I won’t move” posture He was in the last year of his deal before hitting the market in free agency.
No baseball player wants to experiment with a position change in his walk, platform year. Rafael Devers, Under an UBER long term $300M+ deal, has no such reasoning except ego and selfishness.
Not entirely true. When Alfonso Soriano was traded to Washington in his walk year Frank Robinson told him he wasn’t playing 2B and moving to the Outfield would be the best thing for him. Sure enough Frank was right; Soriano moved to LF had a great season and secured a long-term big money deal with the Cubs the following winter
And then Gleyber bobbled the phone and dropped it when he realized he was on the line with a 3rd baseman. Already in mid-season form.
This side drama may be popcorn worthy. Sox going to try and wrangle some pitching by dangling Devers?
They will look to trade either Yoshida or Casas before the regular season starts. Devers will be the first baseman, or dh at some point this year ( the sooner the better).
The Boston media doesn’t care if they stir up trouble. It’s more clicks for them.
Yeah, those reporters will ask all the most damning questions and Devers will answer. And then the Boston media machine starts up… dividing anyone and everyone involved in the “story.”
Personally, I don’t think there’s anything to see here. Devers will take the DH assignment and realize he has one of the cushiest jobs in all of professional sports, Papi did it, he’s a legend. Rice, Yaz… Boston loves their DHs.
The funniest part of this is that Devers isn’t even close to a good 3b.
He should definitely be a 1b if he plays the field. Looks like a mess in boston.
Unironically, a devers for Vladdy straight up deal kinda makes sense. Theres been rumors of Vladdy wanting to come to Boston. Toronto can’t get stars to sign with them, so they would probably jump at it if they can’t extend Vladdy.
The surplus value in their contracts isn’t far off. Just would be pretty wild for division rivals to trade their best players.
It’s an odd corner that Boston painted themselves into a corner here. The whole offseason you heard rumblings of Casas being traded, that was to sign Bregman and move Devers to 1st. Now it sounds like Devers would want no part of it. Also blocking Campbell for even a short amount of time could hurt him. Bregman does make them better offensively, but lining them up short and long term now has a lot of intrigue.
I mean, Campbell has a shot to play this year. Trevor Story’s made of glass these days. Campbell just has to bide his time for a couple of months at most.
Sal – Glad to see someone here other than me realizes this is management’s doing.
And management is well aware many fans will be on THEIR side even though they lied and deceived Devers.
Will be really interesting if the union gets involved, or if he does demand a trade.
A reasonable compromise would be the aforementioned platoon this year whereby Devers plays 3B against RHP.
Why do you insist Bregman’s offense will be better than Campbell’s? It’s possible but not definite.
If there’s nothing in the contract about Devers playing third it’s a moot point. Player’s Union can’t do anything to uphold a handshake deal, especially from someone not in the organization anymore.
Bregman is playing over Campbell, regardless of the offensive outcome. So Campbell is blocked at the moment.
But oh yeah, this is a management faux pas. Getting a taker for Yoshida or sticking him back in the OF would alleviate some pressure.
Devers vs Bregman, Round 1. FIGHT!!!
Devers has a huge weight advantage!
coop – Bregman would win. He fights dirty, just like he does everything else.
Alex Cora is exemplifying the two-faced democrat he is. Cora told Devers that he is the 3B of the future, as he certainly could have made more money testing the FA market. This 3B spot is not a socialized position; it is one that he earned.
God, I love it when chuds come to baseball sites and inject politics into it! Go back to ranting on Fox News articles. Nobody here cares.
Jarred – Agree about the politics, but his overall point is still spot on.
Cora, Henry etc lied and deceived Devers to get him to sign the extension.
And now Cora wants to pin the blame on his enemy Bloom yet again by insisting “Hey it wasn’t us, this was only Bloom’s promise”.
Rats will be rats.
Sure maybe Devers feels lied to and the Red Sox are run by two-faced snakes. That being said, Bregman can actually play good 3B defense, and Devers hasn’t improved upon his defense since being told the position was his. At the end of the day major league baseball is about performance and doing everything you can to win more games than you lose.
Jarred – The game has changed a lot over the past 50 years.
Players are pampered and coddled now more than ever.
Having a disgruntled player on your team is never a good thing, especially the longtime face of the franchise who still has 9 years @ $29M remaining on his contract.
For the good of the team, he may need to be traded.
Could he off made more though I highly doubt it. We are talking about third baseman who defensively at best is bottom 5 in the league but in reality might be the worse defensive third baseman. I don’t think any other team was going to sign him for the money he got from Boston. I have to guess that most other teams view him as a DH and DH’s don’t get paid 30 million a year. Bloom made that desperation contract after missing out on Xander. Devers is good offensively but he’s not that good he was fortunate to get the contract he did. I say you’re wrong Dub.
Bruin – Do you remember Xander was viewed here just as bad defensively as Devers. And we saw how much Xander got.
At the time of the extension Devers was #11 out of 19 third basemen (min 800 innings), he could have easily gotten more than $29M AAV and for more years as well.
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Agree. If he can make more then they should be able to trade him easily. Meaning, he probably wouldn’t have made more
And with his poor fielding he has now unearned it.
in fairness it has been a while since someone shoehorned in a pointless and pathetic political take.
Put Campbell at short. And platoon story and Yoshida at DH. They’re both hurt all the time anyway
The reason you don’t put Campbell at short is he’s not a big league shortstop. He can play short in a pinch but he compared to a big league shortstop he’s probably giving up more than a half a hit per 9 innings. The reason for this is his footwork is choppy and his arm is weak from the left side of the diamond. These are things that you notice when you watch Campbell play short. It’s probably why’s there a near consensus among scouts he’s not a shortstop long term and is better suited for 2nd or left field. With that being said he’s a good athlete and he hasn’t played much short so it’s a work in progress maybe if he can improve on his footwork and his release can get a little faster perhaps he can become an acceptable shortstop defensively but right now that’s not the case. Story is by far the Red Sox best defensive shortstop and a healthy season by him would go a long way to shoring up the infield defense.
I wont claim to have seen him play ss extensively
But he’s played the position more than any other in 2024, so the experience is there & the sox wouldnt have put him there if they didnt think that could be his likely spot in majors
Also, story will inevitably get hurt
So someone’s gonna have to play short. Does bregman make sense there ?
He played more 2nd than short he didn’t play short as much in AA because Mayer played short. He’s much better at second base where he played in college. He only played short this year at AA when Mayer got injured and he played short more at AAA because Grissom was playing second. If he hits at the big league level then they will find a place for him and if Story gets injured again perhaps it will be at short but if Raffy is at third and Campbell is at short that will be the worst left side defense in the game.
He is already locked up long term and they had horrible defense last year, a lot of it due to his poor defense. Bregman plays strong 3B and would be an immediate defensive upgrade. Devers should embrace being a DH if you ask me…. Who’s the most popular Boston Red Sox of the last what 40 years? David Ortiz. Wasn’t he a DH? lol. Who cares… make the team better, AB might be out next year anyways and you’re right back where you believe you belong
Then earn it. Don’t suck at it.
Trade him to NYY for Judge or Austin wells amd Chisholm
Yeah a bad third baseman, -62 drs for his career according to fangraphs
Could Bregman play SS ? Story will end up on the 60day IL berore the end of April
They spelled Rafael Diva wrong in this article
His position is third base. It’s also wherever else they put him
Many young people do not realize that you work for your employer, not the other way around.
If I was getting paid over 300 million dollars I’d gladly scrub the nastiest toilet ever if my boss told me to. I’m only 3 years older then Devers too.
Reds – Many young people do not realize real men honor their word, lying and broken promises are not acceptable.
So if you fill an accountant position for a company with a 10-year contract and a year later they decide to make you a salesperson, do you simply accept it? Nope.
BTW – Some states such as California require a huge severance payment to employees if their job changes.
“…he said through an interpreter…”
Porque despues de diez anos, Devers todavia no puedo ingles?
Selfish.
I could understand Devers point of view if it was some random guy taking his spot. But, Bregman is leaps and bounds better than him defensively. As a player. You’re supposed to do what is best for the TEAM. I’ve always liked Devers. But, this makes him look like a little whiny $%^&*/
Kenly..to be honest for all we know devers doesnt know bregman nor care and might as well be some random guy..the man has pride and likley feels misled its not his fault , the sox handled this poorly. But it can be mended hes a team player let him have a couple weeks let it sink in and save his pride to some people that means alot..im guessing raffy is one of them…i mean its not like this should escalate to be a fork in the road
Unless Devers literally lives under a rock when he’s not playing, he absolutely does know who Bregman is. They played against each other for years.
Lol dude that was not my point ..my point is he doesnt care..and not knowing someone and knowing who someone is are different things…right now all devers knows is they want bregman to take his job..he will get over it but today .it stings hes a competitor
Pool – Very well said. There’s a right way to make changes and a wrong way, hopefully they will do things the right way ….. platoon at 3B and reps at 1B.
Immediately going from 3B to fulltime DH is a huge jolt to any player, especially at his young age. I still haven’t come across any current or former MLB player who went directly from 3B to DH while still in his 20’s …. there’s a reason for that.
just read this morning that he still has problems with shoulder and was not able to make throws yet (at all this offseason)?
Great a 3B that cant make the throw to first.
Can’t move him and his $30mil contract to DH unless you move Yoshida and his $18mil contract anyways!
Platoon DH – for$48mil/2 players that cant play the field!!!!
Oh and Bregman has an opt after 2025 and 2026!
this is a bad look for all involved.
“It’s my decision … My position is third base. Whatever it is they want to do is what they want to do. But my position is third base.”
Perhaps. But you stink at it.
You know, some of this is being entirely overblown. Bregman can rotate between 2B and 3B where Devers will probably get 10 games off, maybe another 20 at DH, maybe more depending on injuries and how much they don’t care about how Yoshida feels about riding the bench and being a 4th/5th outfielder.
I also have to wonder at what point does Breslow solve the issue by selling low on Yoshida and having Cora turn DH into a rotating position where Devers gets a bulk of those ABs. If they eat 27M and/or take on a bad contract in return (Which high priced relievers are out there that are not earning their keep?) and only accept a single A lottery ticket in return… well, addition by subtraction. Yoshida isn’t great, but he will provide a decent bat that a lot of teams would jump at if you throw in cash and a low asking return.
Yoshida to Houston’s OF for Hader. Could have to include more players or money, but that’s the only one I can think of now that Pressly is gone. Hader makes 96 million and they need an OF
Lots of players have changed positions, even hall of famers. Some have been successful and some have failed. And it has little to do with willingness. I give Devers credit for wanting to be in the field and maybe he can’t play any other position. We don’t know that answer. So what if he’s willing or unwilling? What matters is whether the team is better. And we don’t know that answer.
This team could be flawlessly aligned at every position and then there’s an injury and the whole thing goes sideways.
That’s kinda the other thing… Often injuries solve these problems. Usually in the worst and most unexpected ways but still.
You’d think the Rsox would have at least spoken with Devers(Under MLB CBA this is not required)before they acquired Bregman, just to avoid this kind of an ugly situation. This kind of thing can sometimes fracture a team.
saber – True, but often the resentment about the treatment (deception, lies, etc) can linger for a very long time.
If they become a player who doesn’t enjoy the game anymore then you’ve got another Rendon on your hands.
not the prototypical team guy I would say
I agree with those stating this is being overblown..first the man has pride any of us would feel the same if asked to give up our job and do something else if we genuinely felt we were doing well.this guy got asked this question in front of the world his reaction is unsurprising the guy that falls on the sword is either old or an exception devers is neither. Second he does have health issues in his shoulder so this could take care of itself. Third lets let it set in before passing judgement on his reaction, none of us are in his spot..and hes likley a team player and will fall in line given a chance while salvaging his pride which appears to be very important to him and finally if the sox want to win anything they need him 100% on board
Pool – Well said and yes, he’s a team player. He played in a lot of pain for at least two months last season, just to help the team.
How about the self pride in not presenting yourself as a selfish prima donna ?
He could have kept his preference and simply toned down the language he used publicly.
Thats fair he could have but im not in position judge him
There ain’t no I in team or Devers; ain’t no we either.
This situation needs to be nipped and right now. If Devers refuses to be a team player, offer him around in a deal. He has no leverage other than to be a cancer and either refuse to play, give a poor effort of flat-out walk off the team (which would be career suicide).
let – If it comes to that, it still wouldn’t be career suicide.
Manny Ramirez wanted out and acted like a huge malcontent, even intentionally taking three straight called strikes in a huge spot against the Yankees. Then he became a Dodgers idol.
The contracts guaranteed either way. Only way he legitimately kills his career and loses that money is if he gets suspended 3x for steroids, or commits a really bad crime.
There’s no I in team. “Yeah there ain’t no ‘we’ either.”
Dude is a butcher at third and Bregman won the gold glove, but sure, go ahead, you do you Raf.
I concur! If you are adamant about being a third baseman, then play better there. This seems nuts to me.
Cant you give him a day…he just lost his job ..
“Ain’t no ‘I’ in team”, no but there’s a ‘me’
-Kobe
I guess we can expect to hear about shoulder soreness a little more than half way through the season.
So we have a player that is more worried about his ego than the success of the team. He holds fast to his claim that thirdbase is his despite the fact the facts clearly show Bregman as the more competent defender.
Range is knee to knee. Be a lot better off at 1B or DH.
There’s still framework to get an Arenado deal over the finish line.
And another thing: If this team is going to win, it’s ALL about the pitching. Yes, defense, blah, blah, blah. Those 2004, 2007, 2013, 2018 teams were not particularly gifted in defense, but they had a rotation and a closer.
I’m curious to see who the closer will be this year. That’s a big deal.
Third base? I don’t know. Today? Wong Tomorrow? TBD.
Probably Hendricks
That’s what I was thinking, too. I like him a lot so I hope he makes it back on top.
Devers – My ego is more important than wins.
Will you guys give this kid a damn day jeez…
Kid?
I have kids his age..so yea…kid
No issues with Devers in this one. Maybe the team should have taken that 40MM and improved pitching more.
Maybe they should have gotten an actual SS when Story went down last year and we could have seen some defensive improvements from Devers instead of the revolving door next to him.
Going back on that verbal commitment is a horrible look from the Sox, given how many additional holes.the roster has. Bregman also isn’t a generational talent like Soto. He’s good, but unless his bat rebounds, will be a massive overpay.
Bergman good third baseman
Devers mediocre to bad third baseman
That’s the only consideration the Red Sox should make.
I just lost respect for Devers…selfish comments. The good thing for the Red Sox is that Bregman doesn’t care where he plays – he’s the ultimate team player.
Why cant you give this kid a day to process? And the fact he has pride a good thing
He’s had more than a day at this point
Pool – And the fact he is in the game not just to collect a check.
If it was Rendon, he’d be thrilled to get demoted to DH.
Plus the way he handled the media’s questions was like a child.
Have you ever been told yourjob is being given to someone else then been forced to discuss it on national tv?
I am not a professional athlete making millions either.
But you are human i assume
It’d hurt cuz It’d effect your paycheck. It won’t His. He’s basically just being offered less work, essentially
yes I am human, but you do understand the difference in a public figure, pro athlete and Joe blow working at the local plant, yes?
I understand the difference between a public figure and you but that has nothing do with both you and public figures being people and people have feelings on things and you dont get to decide how anyone else feels about anything. just because he or she is publuc figure doesnt me that gets taken away…but sure you judge us all thats the world we live in sadly
when did I decide any of that? when did I even mention “feelings” ? when did I “take away” how someone feels? I never said anything about how someone should or shouldn’t “feel” just a really weird reply to my comment.
Dude this entire conversation is about how devers feels about moving off 3b.. the fact that went over your head makes me wonder why you decided to say anything at all..you making a comment about not being a millionare athlete implies nobody should care how he feels because he is and he should just fall in line and say nothing..sorry friend millionaire not life doesnt work that way unless you are a machine
You COMPARING a Pro Athlete who works in the public domain and regularly do interviews and answers awkward questions to some ordinary person leaving a comment on a message board was my point. NOT Devers feelings. the fact that went over your head makes me wonder why you decided to say anything at all.
Guy said he thought Devers acted like a child
you said, have you had to answer questions on national TV about being told you were changing jobs
no, we havnt because we are not working in the public in front of cameras, it was a stupid comment. it was like you were saying if you havent had to do that , then you have no right to your opinion that you thought he handled like a child, which is absurd.
Red Sox told Devers he was going to be the long term 3B. They then renege on that when there’s many better ways to spend 120MM. Guy has every right and then some to be upset about it.
Why on gods green earth would they sign Bregman with the intent to play him at 3B (which is where he needs to play, because 118 ops+ with gold glove defense at 2B is not worth anywhere near 40MM AAV) without clearing it with Devers first.
Geek – How do you know Bregman doesn’t care where he plays?
I know he said he’d be willing to play 2B, but that was when he was expecting a 7-year contract.
Most likely he’s looking to opt out this year after having a great season. Playing 3B instead of a position he’s never played in MLB would certainly help him achieve that 7+ year contract he wants.
You’ll see – he’s not selfish. He just needs to hit and stay healthy to take care of his personal future in baseball.
Told you so:
mlb.com/news/alex-bregman-on-third-base-red-sox-at…
Trade Devers for a great haul of youth.
“Going back on that verbal commitment”…
There’s a reason many verbal commitments aren’t put into writing. They’re mostly not worth the air(not paper)they’ve been “written” on and especially those given by a prior regime that’s long gone.
Devers is no rube, beginner or rookie; he has to know players are often asked to change positions to make the team better and more defensively sound.
It’s a part of the game and a lot better all around players than Rafael Devers have been asked to change positions in MLB.
Ya Craig, Jeds on line two, you wanna take his call?
Team first player.
“I wouldn’t give him a mop job”
This is on the team for putting him in thus spot anyone who didnt see this coming is delusional
Obviously a dude who cares about himself more than the team. He’s a subpar fielder who is worth at least one win less than Bregman at third base.
Come on this could have been avoided
.communication works
Pool – Yep communication and honesty, both of which the Sox have been lacking in for years.
Well then, STUD, work on yer frikkin’ defense!
correction: your position WAS 3rd base.
You’re not going to move off third. You’re just going to DH 4 out of 5 games and play third the other day.
“Youre not going to move”..Besides he can always visit and catch up with third base anytime he wants. All he’ll need to do is first hit a triple.
The bears are signing Sam Darnold. Caleb Williams is being asked to move to tight end
Hey, if he still gets paid like a QB…..
“Caleb Williams is being asked”..After this last year Caleb W. should be glad he’s got a spot anywhere on the Bear’s team since he got an O-coordinator and a coach fired with his poor play.
Nope, he was good. The hapless guys failed him
“He was good”…Yeah, they always fire the O-coordinator and head coach when the team’s QB is “good”, right?..
If Williams doesn’t turn it around he’ll be following Justin Fields right outta town in about 1.5 more years.
They’ll give the kid some time, but not forever and J.Fields wasn’t given forever.
Combination of both.
So I was in management for over 35 years… if my company came to me and said ,we have some one we feel better about in your position and we’d like you to push carts, but will still pay you as a manager… I would be the best damn cart pusher in the company!!!
Olm – But what if you really hated pushing carts? Sure you’d stay for the money, but your cart pushing performance would likely suffer and your unhappiness would negatively impact the team.
I’m thinking more and more the Red Sox end goal is to force a trade request.
Well I wouldn’t know unless I tried it First(see how I did that lol) it’s in your own attitude I guess, I would do a bang up job because that’s my upbringing and being paid as a manager would take away alot of the sting of pushing carts…. For the record.. in my 42 years I only pushed carts in emergency, started sorting pop bottles back in 83… add to my …..wish the Bulls got Bowie/,bottle water and 2 liters will never make it… the life of a retail man…..
What a selfish prikk
Sounds like Devers is a real team player. My employer puts me where they need me. I don’t get to choose. I get to do what I’m told.
Yeah but moving from the counter to the drive thru at Wendy’s not really analagous
“Wendy’s not really analagous”…Then why did you accept the move if you’re unhappy? I’ve got some influence at “Wendy’s” and I’ll make a couple of phone calls and get you right back at the Wendy’s counter.
DDT: I wasn’t making an analogy. And I stand by what I posted. Not a team player. Prima Donna comes to mind though.
He does wave at balls that go his way, will give you that. Defensive indifference his calling card. They should just hand him a red cape and a matador hat. Ole!
Unfortunately, one thing the Sox are very good at is stirring up discourse among their star players. Bregman was a square peg/round hole signing. They have no idea what to do with him and of course the media wants to jump in on “position battles” and whatever will get clicks.
Whatever anyone does just don’t ask Kevin Millar who he would rather have…
Rsox – You nailed it! Not many here will get the Millar reference, but I certainly do.
I’d say the odds of a trade request are better than 50%.
Kris Bryant and Ryan McMahon for Devers?
Glad to see Devers is thinking of the team and how he can help make it better for 2025 and beyond.
lol. That is an interesting quote. Love the “they”. There’s no “us” in Devers.
At a listed 235lbs Devers is certainly not a second baseman. Or shortstop. Probably a future DH if anything. He’s still young, but they also have the Story contract.
The sox have backed themselves into a corner for playing time. With none of them true shortstops, baring health or ability.
Bregman is the 3rd baseman. Devers is the DH. Story is the second basemen. There done.
So, hypothetical. You are the Rex Sox, and you want Bregman. Let’s not question the wisdom of the choice–you decide he could be a difference-maker n 2025. You don’t really believe Boras’s puffery, but you do think there’s competition. You know you are going to have a positional issue. Do you talk to Devers first? Or, do you think he’ll go public with it in some way, even just gossip from the press, and that could mess up our negotiations. I think they had a plan and executed on it. But part of that plan may just have been “sign Bregman first, and we will move around th deckchairs later.” They had to have an inkling of how Devers would act. So they have to have a blackup plan. Devers has nine more years on his contract. He;s settled in as a roughly 4WAR player. His contract would be difficult to move. They will work it out. .
Looks like the bosox are similar to cubs in which they made big move adding in one position but creating for themselves another problem(s) in multiple positions.
Sir, respectfully, your BMI of 45 suggests DH as your position
Awk. Ward.
The idea that Devers thinks he owns 3rd base is ridiculous. No one put a “3B only” clause in his contract. Calling him the “face of the franchise” is also silly. He doesn’t show up to any events or do any interviews. He’s just the highest paid guy on the roster. He can ask for a trade all he wants, but he’s not going to get it. No one will take on his contract for a bad-3B or DH-only player. He’s headed to DH on the Red Sox because they’re a better team with him there. He just hasn’t accepted it yet.
This speaks to a lack of leadership, generally, in Boston.
Competition baby
Another crybaby who can’t just cash their massive checks and do what they’re told. Him and Stroman should start a support group for overrated athletes.
“Another cry baby”..Most average people would be HAPPY to do half the work on a job for the same amount of money. Guaranteed no less.
This is the reason that most people view professional athletes just like Hollywood celebrities.
Just a bunch of overrated, elitist and out of touch, narcissistic people who don’t really appreciate their privileged and pampered lifestyles.
In fairness, if a person signs a contract to be a salesman, is that person going to remain quiet if the company tries to make him a janitor instead.
Hiflew – I made the exact same analogy except I used Accountant and salesperson instead.
I don’t see sales to cleaning toilets the same as 3B to DH.
Wrian – It’s widely believed no healthy longtime 3B in his 20’s has ever moved directly to fulltime DH. There’s a reason for that.
…Devers is not a model of health.
Well, then you should probably not repeat the analogy to anyone and find something different to do with the 15 seconds or so you would have used to type it up.
Fever – Then extrapolate on that reason because I am confused about the point you’re trying to make. Devers is one of the worst defensive 3B in baseball and had shoulder problems.
Wrian – Sure, happy to.
When a player performs very poorly at a position or can’t physically handle the position, whether it be 3B/SS/2B/OF or Catcher, they typically are tried out at 1B if they are good hitters.
Only if they fail at all positions including 1B do they eventually get moved to fulltime DH.
If they want to finally move Devers off of 3B, it should be to 1B …. not directly to DH.
Give him a chance at 1B, see how he does there even if it’s just a platoon situation, if he does well there then continue using him there or trade him to a team looking for a corner infielder.
The Red Sox have a remarkable way of creating their own roster issues. They have all these guys for 1st, 2nd and 3rd, and seem to have forgotten SS even exists. This however, seems like it could be a clubhouse issue to boot.
Chief – The Red Sox have been highly dysfunctional for years. That won’t change anytime soon.
Have a competition. 25 ground balls
See who does better and move on.
Show him directly who is better
“Show him directly who is better”…Rafael Devers might just be the only person on the planet, who doesn’t already know who’s better defensively(at 3b) between him and Alex Bregman.
Green – It wouldn’t be a fair competition.
Cora would tip off Bregman as to where the ground balls would be headed.
Side Note: If there was ever an opportunity to trade Devers it’s now. Vlad Jr for Devers and Yoshida makes sense for both teams.
Toronto gets a long term replacement for Vladdys offensive production, at a discount (considering what he’s going to get as a FA), and they get a decent bat in Yoshida, albeit at an overpay.
Boston gets out of Devers and Yoshidas contracts all together. The log jam in the infield goes away, and a much needed OF spot opens up.
Abreu and Casas could be traded (without attaching Yoshida) for a very promising, very young, SP from Cincy/Pittsburgh/Seattle?? Or kept for depth for a year while the kids get experience. Either way the team is in a much better position moving forward without Devers.
Team player. LOL…
He gonna play 3b likes he’s DON MONEY
Love the drama already. It seems to follow Bregman like bad body odour.
Someone is pretty dumb if they didn’t think this was going to create an issue. Are they that brain dead in RedSox management that you don’t at least reach out to Devers months ago and start easing him into a move. Maybe they want to embarrass him and force him out as part of the new regime house cleaning
Trade him to the Phillies
Good Lord, no.
Devers for Bogaerts straight up.
Who says no?
Batting 3rd for your Boston Red Sox!
Rafael Diva – 3b
I’m torn on Devers. When he is focused his bat is lethal. The first glimpse I saw of him was turning around a Chapman fastball like it was a hanging changeup so I’d always been scared of him from day one as an opponent. But I also think he brings his best against the Yankees so I see an entirely different player than most and he might slack off a little when he’s playing against a smaller market team like the Twins.
He already has a lot of money attached to him for the future….if the front office isn’t convinced of his makeup this might be a good time to move off him. Tough call though when there is this level of talent and money involved.
Well sox should trade RD to Blue Jay’s for Vlad. Obviously Sox would need to throw in a couple of top 5 prospects.
“Devers, Duran & some cash”…So, two premium players for one premium player?….A.J Prellar, I thought we already had this conversation.
Nobody will go for these “anonymous” posts, suggesting deals you’d like to make. Everybody already knows it’s you, so why not just get on the phone, call Boston and speak with Craig Breslow about potential deals?
Please A.J, for the love of God, don’t let me return and still find you here. It’s beneath you as a Major League GM. People are starting to talk and it won’t be long before word gets back to your owners.
These disputes tend to get blown out of proportion. You want your star to be stubborn and to think he is the greatest. If the advantage is great enough you talk it through in private, and the star moves.
In the meantime, the Red Sox talked a lot about Bregman starting at 2b.
We’ll see, and it will all be fine in the end.
Devers… you are not particularly a good 3B. And last we heard, the people who employ you and write you a check have a bit more to say about what position you play.
Devers recorded minus-6 Outs Above Average last season, which ranked tied for 36th among 43 qualified third basemen last season. Devers has often been a below-average defensive third baseman by OAA, and his minus-34 OAA since 2020 is the worst at that position among qualified third basemen.
As a life long Sox fan I say dump his ass. How dare he say “I play third”. Dude ur getting paid millions of dollars dude shut ur mouth get paid period. If they want you to catch bend over and catch 100 plus pitches a day not just the few ground balls you may field. Hate these pre-madonnas they think they’re owed something more than a pay check. Like I said in a life long Sox fan and he needs to be one to.
You’d think he would want to do what’s best for the team. I’m becoming less and less of a Devers fan what with this and lack of stepping up in a Franchise face/leadership role.
I wanna see Raffy happy n playing his best. They need to ease him into a change not ambush him with it. I can live with his errors but I can’t live w/o his bay when he begs to be traded. Smarten up Redsox!
Stop with the Devers slamming so called fans!
Devers, Masa, and Casas straight up for Vlad jr