The Nolan Arenado trade speculation has quieted in recent weeks. After the eight-time All-Star used his no-trade clause to quash a deal that would have sent him to Houston, the Cardinals have been unable to find a suitable match. St. Louis president of baseball operations John Mozeliak said at last month’s Winter Warm-Up event that the Arenado saga remained the front office’s top priority. However, both Mozeliak and chairman Bill DeWitt Jr. stressed that dealing the third baseman was not an absolute necessity to get the team’s payroll to levels that ownership finds tolerable.
It’s now an open question whether the Cards will be able to line anything up. In an MLBTR poll last week, nearly two-thirds of respondents felt Arenado would begin the season in St. Louis. That won’t stop Mozeliak and the front office from continuing to explore possibilities. Jon Morosi of the MLB Network reports that the Cards have “had recent communication” with the Red Sox regarding Arenado.
That doesn’t necessarily mean talks have gained any kind of traction. Katie Woo of The Athletic wrote in early January that efforts to move Arenado had stalled. Woo suggested at the time that Boston might up end being the only plausible suitor for an offseason trade. Those discussions have perhaps been held up by Alex Bregman’s lengthy free agent stay. Boston is one of a few teams known to be involved on Bregman, though they’re reportedly reluctant to go beyond four guaranteed years. Bregman has seemingly weighed multiple six-year offers, so the Sox appear an unlikely landing spot.
Arenado would be a more challenging roster fit. The Sox’s pursuit of Bregman was likely conditioned on the possibility of moving him to second base. Arenado has expressed openness to a position change to facilitate the right trade, but his third base defense is his primary selling point. It’s unlikely the Red Sox would consider bumping him to the keystone. They’d presumably instead move Rafael Devers off third base. Boston’s longtime third baseman doesn’t appear enthused about a possible position change.
A move would also probably require the Red Sox to bench or trade Masataka Yoshida. The Sox have not moved first baseman Triston Casas for starting pitching, as many speculated they might. Devers would be a superior designated hitter to Yoshida, though Boston may not be keen on relegating him to the bench when he’s under contract for another three seasons. Yoshida is owed $18MM annually on a deal that is well above market value. They’d need to eat the bulk of the contract to deal him for what would be a modest return.
Discussions between the Sox and Cardinals could theoretically involve Yoshida. Chaim Bloom, who will take over as president of baseball operations in St. Louis at the end of the season, was the top executive when the Red Sox signed Yoshida. At one point, Bloom believed strongly that his bat would translate against MLB pitching. Yoshida has been a good, not great, major league hitter. Even if Bloom still feels there’s untapped upside, the Cardinals are unlikely to eat a big portion of the contract. Their efforts to trade Arenado have been largely motivated by finances, recent comments from Mozeliak and DeWitt notwithstanding.
St. Louis owes Arenado $64MM over the next three seasons: $27MM this year, $22MM in 2026, and $15MM in ’27. The Rockies are paying an additional $5MM annually for the next two years. $6MM of the Cards’ obligations in 2025 and ’26 are deferred. Reports indicated the Astros were going to take all but $5MM or $15MM off the Cardinals’ hands had he approved the trade to Houston.
tom brunanskys black sock
Yeah man I just had recent conversation with 1996 Jeanine Garafao, and that ain’t happening either.
laynestaley2002
Not surprising that a guy with a handle of “Tom Bernaski” could be into Janeane Garofalo. Wonder what she’s up to these days…
outinleftfield
She is doing stand up comedy, Probably find some of her shows on Youtube. She is hysterical.
deweybelongsinthehall
I read this long before it was posted here but the site was Sports Illustrated so I didn’t and still don’t believe there is fire behind the smoke. Until I see players and money discussed, move on to other items. So much click bait (no disrespect meant to MLBTR).
FenwayFanatic
Way better than Bregman, though I still have my doubts that there’s a chance of it happening
alan.kawadler@verizon.net 2
Massa for aranado even up. 2 bad contracts.
Payne Train
Nado’s contract isn’t bad at all.
Bivouac-Sal
“had recent communication on Arenado”
Bill: What’s with Arenado?
John: Yeah he’s still here.
laynestaley2002
The headline of this article states “recent communication,” yet nothing in the article backs up that headline.
??
redsoxu571
What are you talking about? It’s a direct lift of the cited report by Jon Morosi?
The more relevant question regards what the manner of communication is (my guess it that it’s the Cardinals reaching out to the Red Sox to see whether there might be anything there), but it is “backed up” in the article as much as any article built on a report is.
laynestaley2002
No quotes. No details. Just “he said”…
But, ok.
Chicken In Philly?
Trade Rumors. Key word is rumors.
Big whiffa
Hmmmm….must be a rumor
HEHEHATE
I love him but my god devers needs to get off of 3b.
KingKen
Yoshida for Arenado straight up. St Louis saves $10M over 3 years.
gbs42
Pass. Arenado is a much more valuable player than Yoshida, and the Cardinals don’t need another OF/DH.
DonOsbourne
I second that!
YourDreamGM
Cards don’t look like they are trying to win and even if they were Yoshida isn’t moving the needle. They should either salary dump or eat more salary than needed to get a prospect.
Four4fore
Not one that hits from the left side.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Incorrect math.
Cards pay Arena $54 million over three years and a little is even deferred. Rox pay $10 million more over first two years.
Sox pay Yosh $54 million over three years.
Arenado is diminishing, Yosh even more so.
With Yosh Red Sox would need to chip in $15 million plus Hunter Dobbins (team # 11) plus Blake Wehunt (team # 28), or $24 million with no prospects.
I just don’t see a deal unless Boston wants to move Triston Casas.
redsoxu571
Yeesh, some misinformation (disinformation?) here.
Cardinals owe Arenado $64M over the next three. Boston owes Yoshida $55.8M.
Arenado’s recent performance has been diminishing, perhaps harshly. Yoshida’s MLB performance has been steady; he was worth similar WAR last year as the year prior, in notably fewer games. Which makes sense in both cases, as Arenado is a few years older.
KingKen
You need to look at the contract breakdown again. $64M is what that Cards are on the hook for to pay Arenado. Colorado is paying an additional $10M.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
OK, I checked BR. My error. Arenado gets 27, 22, 15 from dirty birds.
Yosh gets 18.6, 18.6, 18.6
64 – 55.8 = $8.2 million difference
So my conclusion should read:
With Yosh Red Sox would need to chip in $6.8 million plus Hunter Dobbins (team # 11) plus Blake Wehunt (team # 28), or $15.8 million with no prospects.
Understand that you still don’t agree,
I still don’t see a deal unless Boston wants to move Triston Casas or unless a third party wants Yosh.
stymeedone
Geez. Gosh it’s has been in the States for one year. How can you even guess that he’s diminishing?! It simply may take that first year for him to acclimate. He may settle in as what we’ve seen. Way too early to tell.
outinleftfield
Two seasons.
stymeedone
How can you tell.Yoshida is diminishing? He’s only been in the States for one year. Perhaps he just needed time to acclimate.
cwsOverhaul
RSox would also have to attach a pretty good prospect (of course not the top 3). Neither has great leverage to shed those contracts, but together in a somewhat close offset, it could work if STL likes a certain prospect as the prize.
gbs42
sty muted me. Someone please tell him Yoshida has been in the majors for two years.
❤️ MuteButton
Looks like Bregman will have several FOUR YEAR OFFERS left on the table then.
Motor City Beach Bum
Dear Alex Bregman
Make a decision. Draw straws. Flip a coin. Pull names from a hat. Consult a Ouija board. Just pick an offer dude!
Signed annoyed fans in Detroit, Boston, Toronto, Houston and Chicago
Tigersin2050
Seriously. It’s crazy that Houston said the offer is still on the table and he didn’t just jump at it.
❤️ MuteButton
@Tigersin2050 there’s a Houston Astros fan site called “Climbing Tal’s Hill”. According to an article there, it seems like there’s some evidence that Houston’s current offer is four years since they’ve already spent so much money and acquired other corner infielders. I suspect he may regret not taking the Astros original offer
Tigersin2050
Wasn’t aware of that. I just assumed “our offer is still on the table” meant the same thing. But that would make sense. It honestly seems like the media doesn’t really know what’s going on. One day the front runners are the BoSox and Tigers, the next it’s the Jays.
outinleftfield
I take anything on FanSided with a grain of salt. Most are about as much of insiders as you and I. The only one on that entire site that I have found to be a reliable source of information is Robert Murray,
KingKen
Not all that surprising really. We’re talking about a player who wears #2 because he was pissed he wasn’t the first overall pick in the draft the year he was drafted. It’s all about ego with him, and accepting Houston’s offer after initially rejecting it would be admitting defeat. No way his ego can take that.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Then he should ask for a pay raise to $29 or $30 million but make it four years instead of six. I bet Astros would do that as would other teams.
❤️ MuteButton
@MLB Top 100 that’s exactly what the article said. Higher AAV shorter term offers.
outinleftfield
Bregman on why he wears #2. youtu.be/gf3F5ouZPfA?si=ZobfOGncGnns1oxU His first words are that he was a huge fan of Derek Jeter,
YourDreamGM
No need to make decision until Houston removes offer.
stymeedone
You’re assuming Houston’s offer is the highest. Since all teams saw the reports of it, I don’t believe it is. Why would any team offer fewer years and less per year if they really wanted to sign him?
YourDreamGM
Because they don’t really want to sign him. They could be stupid and beat the Houston offer. I think it’s Bregman wishing hoping for a better offer. Until Houston tells him they are going to pull their offer there’s no reason to sign it. But sure Detroit signed Baez so they could definitely have a better offer.
Owen13
Maybe he’s waiting for the 60-day IL to open up a roster spot for the team he wants to sign with? Seems like most of MLB is waiting for something.
Bluejaysjunkie
Bregman = BlueJays
❤️ MuteButton
@ BlueJaysjunkie They may be the only team willing to give him six years. An article on Climbing Tal’s Hill figured that the Astros current offer is actually a four year offer
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Four years at $30 million per year seem plenty fair.
Uncle Pedro’s Dancing Kittens
With spring training right around the corner it is time to bring this and the Bregman headlines to a conclusion. I am fine with whatever they decide as long as they don’t do something like give up Casas for Arenado which would be asinine. Just finish the story and move on.
YourDreamGM
Not if they pay all his salary. But no need to give up any good player just take on majority of Nolan.
FenwayFanatic
I would have to agree. I think we would need to throw in a top 20-30 prospect or two and then we get close to a deal.
Red Sox acquire 3B Nolan Arenado and RHP Riley O’Brien from the St. Louis Cardinals for OF/DH Masataka Yoshida, Hayden Mullins, and Blaze Jordan.
What do you guys think of that!!!
YourDreamGM
Nolan isn’t that negative of contract. Don’t see why they would take on Yoshida. They can either dump majority of his salary or just keep him until deadline.
alan.kawadler@verizon.net 2
yoshida is a better hitter than arranado presently. arranado, the better fielder
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Arenado is the better speller
FenwayFanatic
That’s why I was sweetening it with Hayden Mullins. I also just have a personal liking for Riley O’Brien based on the minors numbers
Easy as 1 2 3
Cease to Red Sox for Casas Yoshidas contract Perales Dobbins and Fitts
Move Devers to 1st and Arenado to 3rd
Joemo
That is a MASSIVE overpay for one year of Cease.
Easy as 1 2 3
Price to pay for padres taking Yoshidas contract off your hands for 18.6 mill in 2025, 18.6 mill in 2026, and 18.6 mill in 2027
What you think teams are gonna send a below market top of the rotation arm and take Yoshidas contract off your hands for free in the process?
Joemo
There’s no reason to clean out the top SP arms in the farm and the best SP prospect the team has AND Casas, who had a good rookie year and was doing well before the injury last season.
The only way this trade is realistic is Casas, Yoshida plus Dobbins or Fitts. And that’s it.
There is no reason to try to include Yoshida in this trade though, it increases the price the Sox have to pay by including prospects and just doesn’t make sense. They should instead find another way to dump his contract.
Also there’s really no reason for SDP to take on Yoshida’s deal….
chrcritter
except the Padres are looking to cut salary, only reason to trade either Cease or King
Easy as 1 2 3
Sure there is.
They need a LF this year and DH when Arraez leaves. Yoshida just so happens to fill a need the next 3 years for them.
So you’re expecting the padres to take on 41 million (Yoshidas contract minus ceases) in financial commitments and receive just Fitts or Dobbins? Yeah no that’s not realistic at all sorry.
Perales Fitts and Dobbins clears 18.6 mill off the books next 3 years AND Red Sox get a QO pick if theyre unable to sign cease.
Again nobody is taking his contract for free. You’re gonna have to pony up prospects to unload it esp if you’re getting a piece like cease back. You’re paying ceases price and paying to make 100% of the money owed to Yoshida go away.
If Red Sox rather keep Yoshida that’s fine
Casas and Fitts for Cease also works.
Easy as 1 2 3
Deal Cease deal Suarez take back a contract like Yoshida you’re under the luxury tax line.
Joemo
The proposed trade didn’t make sense to begin with.
Fitts or Dobbins would provide enough surplus value when combined with Casas to offset Yoshida. Also crazy that you think Yoshida can play LF for the Padres when he can’t play LF in Fenway.
This discussion is irrelevant because this trade would never happen because of how bad it is from the Red Sox side.
Easy as 1 2 3
Fitts nor Dobbins by themself even come close to taking on that much money.
Youre seriously overvaluing both of them individually if you think either is worth 41 mill.
Youre either paying for cease and keeping Yoshida which prohibits the Arenado trade since you’ll be riding an 18.6 mill salary on the bench
Or you’re paying for cease and paying to make yoshidas contract to go away which will cost more than 1 of Fitts or Dobbins
Or you’re sending cash to pay at least half of Yoshidas salary along with Casas and then 1 of Fitts or Dobbins.
swanhenge
The only place Raffy is moving to is DH, and yes, hopefully sooner than later.
And Devers at 1B is a pipe dream unless he’s been working on it all off season. There’s no way he can come to spring training and just learn to play 1B in like 6 weeks. No way. This narrative has to stop.
Easy as 1 2 3
If Nelson Cruz can do it at age 40 I believe in Devers!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Maybe Nelson Cruz had *extra help*
mlb.com/news/texas-rangers-outfielder-nelson-cruz-…
outinleftfield
Casas? Do the Padres need a 1B? Yoshida is almost an unmovable contract. He can’t hit LHP and has little power and no speed or defense tp speak of. I think it was Steve Adams that called him a platoon DH. Moving him would require increasing the prospects going to the team trading for him or paying down all but $4-5 million per season. Perales had Tommy John in June and isn’t expected back until 2026, Not much value there . Dobbins is not a good prospect. His scouting report says below average FV. His upside is a #5 starter. No real value going to the Padres in that proposal.
Spitballin’ here. Yoshida plus $36 million, Abreu, Crawford, and Fitts for Cease. Or add a top 100 prospect like Arias that is in low A and get someone like Hoeing added to the deal. That seems like a good compromise after the Padres asked for so much back in December,
swanhenge
Only if Helsey comes with him and Yoshi is also part of the deal.
YourDreamGM
Trade Nolan to another team then. Or keep him.
neurogame
So they might be paying Devers the remaining +$250M be a DH?
Money well spent.
❤️ MuteButton
@nuero could he play better outfield than Jose Altuve?
neurogame
Although he’s six years younger, Devers, according to Statcast, is a slower runner than Altuve. In fact, Statcast even has Juan Soto clocked in at a faster 90ft sprint time than Devers. That doesn’t bode well for Devers switching positions.
❤️ MuteButton
Lol, Altuve can still run, but he has got an absolute water pistol for an arm. Nothing
YourDreamGM
Better than paying him for weak defense at 3b. Seems he could learn 1b though.
Big whiffa
If I’m St. Louis, I want casas. That frees up devers to play first atleast
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Smoke Signals?
CravenMoorehead
Bingo
Craviduce
Sox fans…. do you have a lottery ticket player worth trading? I know there’s no way in hell we get anyone from your Top 10. It’s either a Low A lottery ticket that’s been in your system for 4 or more years, or it’s IFA Pool Money for Nado….and probably you move a 1 year salary to offset this years Nado salary?
We gave up nothing for Nado: a low tier starter in Gomber, a weak hitting prospect in Montero and 2 lottery tickets that didn’t pan out. That realization should hopefully put the nail in the coffin that some Cards fan have in getting one of your highly touted prospects. Nado was in his Prime 4 years ago, he’s declining rapidly now.
The Raven
Smells like a false flag to lower Bregman’s price.
Big whiffa
I think Bregman knows his options. If he wants 6 years, better learn the Canadian National Anthem then
Four4fore
Arenado +$$ for Fitts.
DonOsbourne
How are the Red Sox feeling about Ceddanne Rafaela these days. That outfield is getting pretty crowded.
Joemo
Like he should be the starting CF. His bat needs work, more specifically he needs to work on his swing decisions. If Duran broke out earlier, Rafaela is probably still in AAA in 2024 working on it.
The OF is crowded, but workable if they get rid of Yoshida. Frees up the DH spot to get Abreu/Anthony/Duran/Rafaela consistent ABs.
bighiggy
I’d do arenado, helsley and 20 mil for yoshida and 2 top 20 prospects. Or yoshida and Casas
Pronklington
Arenado for Nick Sogard and the Red Sox take on all salary. That’s all that garbage Midwest turd factory deserves and they should thank the Red Sox on their hands and knees.
Goose
This make zero sense. The Red Sox have shown they are frugal. Why pick up Arenado’s big contract without moving Casas or Yoshida first.
Big whiffa
St. Louis will go after casas most likely. That’s the best reasonably priced controllable player in their organization
The Saber-toothed Superfife
What is it the Cardinals need, other than dumping $64M over 3 years?
Pay him to waive the NTC. He has to say yes. What the hello do you think his agent works for…..?
Big whiffa
They were eating a big chunk of salary to get a couple decent prospects from hou
sergefunction
Unless it’s been made known that Nolan refuses to consent to play for any of them, I don’t get why the Bregman Bidders don’t opt for Arenado instead.
Much less $ for a desirable, bite-sized 3 years.
During those 3 years, I foresee similar numbers (and, honestly, a little bit more from Arenado with the stick) and similar stellar D at third.
After those 3 years (and sadly, perhaps sooner), I don’t see either being hot commodities. With Arenado you are free to bid sweet adieu while with Bregman you will be stuck with attempting a messy public divorce that will most certainly fail.
Thus, it must be a given that Arenado has told the Detroits et. al. that he ain’t comin’, because otherwise he’s the obvious pick here. To me.
Either that or I’m spectacularly incorrect which is OK since I don’t get paid for spewing this brand of nonsense.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Your rationale is a lot more convincing and better than what a lot of paid writers spew out with no effort on a daily basis.
outinleftfield
Bregman grew up a Red Sox fan. His mother was a Yankees fan and he and his father were Red Sox fans,