The Orlando Dreamers announced earlier this week that Hall of Famer Barry Larkin has joined the organization, which has the goal of getting an MLB franchise in the city. Larkin, who now lives in Orlando, has the title of MLB ambassador with the Dreamers. Pat Williams, the late former executive for the NBA’s Orlando Magic, co-founded the Dreamers in 2019 as an effort to get an MLB franchise. While Williams passed away last summer, the organization has continued that goal.
“I spent considerable time talking to key people in Major League Baseball, including Commissioner Manfred, before committing to join the Orlando Dreamers’ effort,” Larkin said in the press release. “There were many phone calls to (co-founder Jim Schnorf), asking detailed questions concerning the approach, the accomplishments to date, and the strategies moving forward. It became immediately apparent that Orlando has the most compelling market in the country to be the next MLB franchise location. … At this stage in my career, nothing could be more exciting than being a key part of this effort in my adopted home of Orlando, Florida.”
Larkin is a Cincinnati native who spent his entire 19-year big league career with his hometown Reds. He won the 1995 NL MVP award behind a .319 average and Gold Glove defense at shortstop. Larkin made 12 All-Star teams, won the Silver Slugger award on nine occasions, and collected a trio of Gold Glove awards. He was elected to the Hall of Fame by the BBWAA in 2012, his third year on the ballot.
MLB commissioner Rob Manfred has said on multiple occasions that he hopes to finalize plans for expansion from 30 to 32 teams by the end of his tenure. He plans to retire when his current contract expires in January 2029. While it’s highly unlikely that expansion teams would be on the field by the ’29 season, it’s possible that host cities could be settled by that point with the league moving to 32 teams early in the 2030s. Manfred has suggested that expansion would be on the back burner until the A’s and Rays’ stadium situations were finalized.
The A’s plan to be in Las Vegas in time for the 2028 season. The Rays seemed to have a long-term stadium plan in St. Petersburg, but the devastating hurricane in the area last fall has thrown those plans into question. That combined with a changed county council makeup after Election Day led the county to delay approval of bonds that’d finance the stadium. The Rays have claimed that makes it impossible to have the new stadium complete for the 2028 season. The team is responsible for cost overruns on the project, which it says will be exorbitant with construction going until 2029.
While Pinellas County approved the bonds last month, the Rays reiterated that the delay has proven too costly. They’re pushing for more public funding as a result, which the county has indicated it is unwilling to approve. The Rays have until March 31 to meet various construction benchmarks on the project or the bond agreement will automatically be nullified. They are committed to play at Tropicana Field through the 2028 season. The Trop was severely damaged by the hurricane and it is unclear whether it’ll be playable by 2026. The Rays will play their ’25 home games at Tampa’s George M. Steinbrenner Field, home of the Yankees’ Low-A affiliate.
Larkin said at his introductory press conference that the Orlando group is open to pursuing both an expansion franchise or a potentially relocated one (alluding to the Rays’ situation). Manfred was asked about the possibility of relocating the Rays in November. He replied that MLB remained “focused on our franchise in Tampa Bay.”
He is wasting his energy on Orlando
Vegas – Why? If there is no longer a team in Tampa they can certainly support a team in Orlando.
A new domed or retractable roof stadium would generate massive revenue year round.
I feel as though we have enough evidence that Florida cannot support major league franchises
The Marlins ownership doesn’t seem to give a crap about running a baseball team.
Yes, both Florida teams have thrived. Lets give them a third!
either the Marlins or Rays should be relocated to Nashville with the other being moved to Orlando which is more centrally located in the state and would probably be helped by Disney being nearby.
How would Disney help?
The Marlins are not going anywhere not with the stadium they have.
The problem with Miami is not the stadium or even the fans.
Its consistent bad ownership that throws fire sales all the time.
Put a ownership thats serious about winning and willing to spend and the Marlins would be straight.
Because Orlando is literally a town with not much to do at all outside of Disney or things associated, affiliated, or mildly similar. Yet people still flock there and a lot of times stay more than one night. They’d probably double Tampa’s attendance, idk if that’d even be league average yet or not but they’d do better lmao.
The Angels benefit from Disneyland visitors.
Orlando pales in size comparison to either Tampa Bay or Miami. Y’all only know about Orlando because of the Mouse.
I have been to Orlanda only once and I would agree not much else. On our trip we mainly went for Disney.
I agree but I am having hard time comparing Anaheim to Orlando. I have been to Anaheim area many times and did Angels game
Universal is pretty huge too. Especially after Epic Universe opens up.
The more people that are in the area (tourists) the higher probability those people will include catching an Orlando game in their schedule. Team could also work with Disney to do vacation packages that include games.
Orlando also has an NBA team (Magic), Three soccer teams in MLS (Orlando City), NWSL (Pride) and MLS Next (Orlando City B), Arena Football (Predators), Pro Volleyball (Valkyries) and minor league hockey (ECHL’s Solar Bears). So there are games to go watch.
So they have an NBA team and a bunch of stuff nobody has ever heard of.
The same way as Vegas.Its a destination for people all around the world.
Visiting teams fans would plan trips to Orlando to see their team along with everything else there to do.
NYY fans probably aren’t taking their entire family to Kansas City for a week….but they would to Orlando.
Nobody is planning trips to Vegas to see their team on the road play in Vegas. Nor will they for Orlando.
100%. Miami’s problem isn’t the fans, it’s horrible ownership. Every successful sports franchise relies on a social contract agreement: the owners have a plan and do their best within their means to be competitive and the fans show up. However, when the owners torture fanbases with lies and empty promises, fans go away. Thanks to MLB.TV, it’s surprising easy to find a “real” team to route for.
The state of Florida could consider a passenger rail that connected Tampa Bay to Miami via Orlando. This would help tourism a lot.
No they don’t. No random person that isn’t from OC goes to angels games because they went to Disneyland
You’re wrong
@Mlbfan78 You are correct that their stadium keeps the Marlins from moving.
However, nobody shows up in Miami even when they have good teams, including the two times they won the World Series. The only exception was when their stadium was brand new. Like with the Rays, the biggest problem is Florida itself.
Guy – Thank you! As usual it’s the Guy’s who are the voice of reason ;O)
stymee – Yes the article goes into great detail about the Rays potentially moving,. Lets assume the Orlando and Tampa teams would both co-exist though!
Hawk – The Orlando airport is now considered to be among the ten busiest in North America. With so many people in town for not just Disney but also conventions, tournaments, competitions, etc it’s only natural they’d be looking for things to do.
If you’re a baseball fan and you’re in a city with MLB, you’ll attend a game. It’s no different than rock music fans who will visit the Rock HOF whenever they are in Cleveland, or people who will visit Fenway while in Boston and Wrigley while in Chicago.
Guy and Universal Studios also don’t forget the Orlando Convention Centers have at minimum 1+million people attend events. It is very, very possible.
They arent moving the Marlins
Tourists wanting to watch a game.
There is a ton of things to do in Orlando. More than most cities not including NY LA or Chicago. Probably more to do there than Boston.
I actually live just south of there and have a home an hour outside of Boston as well. Orlando would draw more fans than Tampa does. Getting to the park in Tampa is a huge hassle as well.
Both the soccer team and hockey draw a ton of fans.
I plan on it.
@cheapseater,
I believe you misspelled the word ’Yous’.
Bart, huh?
cheapseater,
If you didn’t get my joke, the explanation would only come across as insulting.
Completely inaccurate
Florida has the Brightline train. Miami-Orlando is already open, and Tampa is the next phase.
There is a team in Tampa Bay however, and there is no indication that will change in the near term. Tampa Bay’s stadium is also located in St Petersburg, which makes it an unreasonable drive for Orlandoans. I would not consider Tampa and Orlando to be overlapping markets then, particularly when the Rays can only manage 15K fans per game.
The challenge for Orlando is that you already have two failing MLB franchises in Florida. The Tampa Bay Rays are doubling down on St Petersburg as if it were a successful or viable location for an MLB franchise. It’s not. Geography assures that. Location-wise, Orlando would very likely be the best bet to draw 25K fans a game, but existing franchises in Florida make Orlando an exceptional long shot for a new franchise..
It’s not a coincidence that Orlando is making a push right now, while the Rays aren’t a certain thing. They’re playing as much for a relocation as expansion. If anything more goes haywire in the Rays saga, Orlando is a tempting target.
Both Florida franchises don’t generate much revenue at all. MLB isn’t going down that route again.
Marlins would be doing just fine if they had ownership that actually cared about winning instead of just making money. The Rays? Well….their ownership is just stupid. Staying in St. Pete is a HUGE mistake. The Rays should either be in Tampa itself where most of the people are, or just bite the bullet and move the franchise to Orlando or Nashville.
I don’t think tampa factor in. Too long of drive. So much to do in Florida tourist ain’t going to Tampa. Locals won’t either. If Orlando cared about the Rays their attendance wouldn’t be so pathetic. Heck Tampa doesn’t even care about them or want to do the commute.
If Orlando cared about the Rays their attendance wouldn’t be so pathetic?
These aren’t overlapping or adjacent markets. I live in a close-in suburb of Orlando, fewer than 10 miles from the heart of downtown. It’s 117 miles from my driveway to Lot 7 at Tropicana Field. That’s 20 more miles than the distance from Manhattan to Philadelphia. It’s almost 40 more miles than Oakland to Sacramento, but nobody expects Bay Area fans to make that commute. It’s 112 miles from Indianapolis to Cincinnati; is anyone wondering why GAB attendance hasn’t been bolstered by people driving in from Indiana?
None of this is to say Orlando should or shouldn’t get a team, but to say the poor attendance in a city 2.5 hours away in traffic is the reason is just lazy.
Dude as an Ohioan who grew up in Florida, you had me for like 98% of this.
That 112 mile trip is MUCH faster than your 117 mile trip would be to the Trop. The traffic isn’t close to comparable. You probably wouldn’t really run into any until you’re a few miles from the stadium in downtown Cincy. Weirdly, you actually do see a fair amount of fans from Indy at GABP, but again it’s a much easier trip than you’d have. And also, Indiana generally has less to do than Florida as a whole. My fam out there makes that drive from multiple different places in Indiana and doesn’t think much of it.
Again, I agree with almost every word, I just think it’s even more dramatic a difference than you realized, and Indianans are weird.
Don’t know why you quote me. I said the same thing you did just far less bloated.
Because it’s an article about whether Orlando could/should get a team, including whether that team could/should be the Rays.
You suggested that Orlando doesn’t care about the Rays because, if it did, the Rays would have better attendance. That’s what you said. Which is an unfair conclusion based on how far Orlando actually is.
If that isn’t what you meant to say, my apologies. But instead of calling my response “bloated,” maybe aim to be clearer in your own.
I didn’t suggest that.
What you said.
These aren’t overlapping or adjacent markets. I live in a close-in suburb of Orlando, fewer than 10 miles from the heart of downtown. It’s 117 miles from my driveway to Lot 7 at Tropicana Field. That’s 20 more miles than the distance from Manhattan to Philadelphia. It’s almost 40 more miles than Oakland to Sacramento, but nobody expects Bay Area fans to make that commute. It’s 112 miles from Indianapolis to Cincinnati; is anyone wondering why GAB attendance hasn’t been bolstered by people driving in from Indiana?
None of this is to say Orlando should or shouldn’t get a team, but to say the poor attendance in a city 2.5 hours away in traffic is the reason is just lazy.
How I said same thing.
Too long of drive.
Agree. We don’t need three teams in Florida..
Agree both nashville tn and charlotte nc have both the appetitte and dwarf orlando in population size to support mlb..i would imagine orlando is not ideal by comparison
Move the Rays to Orlando
The biggest reason he is wasting his energy on Orlando is that the market belongs to the Tampa Bay Rays.
Move the Rays to Orlando and give the expansion teams to Montreal and Nashville/another city
Unless the rays move there.
Just what MLB needs. Another team in Florida with an empty stadium every night.
I could be pretty full… With other teams fans. Huge tourist city with the theme parks.
Regardless of whether Orlando is viable. MLB is not putting another team in Florida. The Rays would likely move there first.
I see a lot of the ownership positioning that adds former players as PR moves, basically.
Also need to consider the percentage of those tourists who are EU nationals. I dont have that in front of me. But it’s pretty healthy given the relative market size.
I just can’t see Orlando. But honestly, Orlando might have been a better option than St. Pete was.
I’m not sure the status of the new Rays park. But I suppose Orlando could be used as leverage on that.
Ok, so what I’m seeing from basic numbers is that Orlando is about 8% foreign tourism. I’m not sure if that is an overall. If so…it’d stand to reason that % would be higher during the summer months.
It would make sense, much like Vegas to use a team as basically the “away team” for whoever the tourists are there to see.
But it seems like a waste to have two burner franchises.
As weird as it seems. I’m not sure why there’s so much hype on Nashville. Perhaps in a grand reset its a better market than some. But it’s still small.
Vegas is nutty to me. I still don’t but the A’s end up there. Perhaps a pivot. I just don’t like the evening competition set up on the strip. It’s also become an elite $ city.
From what I know a lot of locals support vegas nhl. International is good. A’s fan uk? Australia Astros fan?
My thinking is greedy owners want expansion fee. With stadium issues you will need to have a viable stadium plan. Any owner city who can do this will get a team. So can see Florida with 3 teams.
Orlando 15th largest market so at least 14 current teams have smaller market. Get stadium get team I say. Good luck
I’m not sure comping an 81 game home schedule to other sports is all that accurate. Vegas A’s have to try and sell a Monday night game vs White Sox, etc. We’ll see. John Fisher isn’t exactly an owner that’s trustworthy.
Vegas is a night town too. Service town where there’s lower paying workers. Lack of regional fan base due to the desert. Could be we just have one or two teams city hop forever to take advantage of booms and busts.
Myself? I’d think opening up the Asian market would be better. Tokyo seems like a better deal longterm than Orlando, Nashville, of Vegas.
It’d be easier to believe these people of they didn’t seem so imcompetent.
Greedy owners WAIVED an expansion fee on Vegas. Which seemed wild to me. That kind of seemed like 1st up next round. Why put the A’s there…who people don’t seem to want.
Relocation fee. Took care of one of their own. New guy they might not be so nice.
Japan better than any of these markets. They might want to protect their Japan teams they already have unless mlb can change their mind $$$$$$
No they lost a potential expansion fee and WAIVED the relocation fee to my knowledge. None of Vegas really made or makes sense.
@dock like the handle:-)
This is the same nonsense people said about the NBA in New Orleans. The Pelicans are doing just fine, even with a crappy name.
They should have never let “Jazz” leave NoLA. Completely non-sensical. It’s easier to find a lake in LA (i.e. Minnesota Lakers) than it is jazz in SLC. Team names need to stay with the city, regardless of the brand identity, which obviously is not strong enough to stop a move.
In fairness, it’s easier to get 15-20K/game for a 41 game season in the NBA than it is to get 30K/game for an 81-game season in the MLB;
That’s 30k capacity about in Vegas.
Move the Rays to Orlando
I was thinking the exact same thing DDC.
If fans think it sucks to drive to St. Pete for games, they haven’t seen anything yet trying to get through Orlando’s traffic. Count me out, I try to avoid Orlando at all costs.
I guess another Florida team in baseball makes sense when Tampa Bay can’t even fill their own, and they often win enough that they deserve the attention. not sure Florida is a good spot for a second team lol. just a thought. maybe Virginia? Star of Washington? Utah? just a thought…
I don’t understand this at all. It’s the last place that needs a team. Omg. Florida is horrible with baseball. It needs one team, not three..
Now let’s talk about Montreal!!!
If someone is willing to give the current owners a pile of $ they will take it. And if someone is willing to build a stadium for a team, which will be biggest issue.
You’re correct on Montreal. A feasibility study many years ago found that there were really only 3 viable markets left for growth. Both a 3rd team in NY/LA, and Montreal. Montreal is a gateway to the European market.
It’s the stadium holding anything that’s possible up.
Tampa Bay, Miami, that would be a third team……..
It would be 2 and half teams. Miami still has a team right? Will have to wait for trade deadline to see some transactions to know for sure.
Another FLA team is a terrible idea. Tourism alone is not a reason for a franchise to exist there. Virginia is a total non starter…too close to DC and no metropolitan area big enough to support it. Utah? I figure Nashville/Portland/Montreal all have a better case than Salt Lake City…not even sure folks in Utah even want a team. Regardless, there will be an MLB team in Orlando as soon as they get one on the moon.
Half – Why do you think the A’s are moving to Vegas. TOURISM.
Vegas tourism is different than Orlando tourism. Vegas is an adult tourist town, where adults might burn three hours catching a game while they’re in town. Orlando is a family destination to go on rides and play in the water. Very few 10 year olds are going to be begging their parents to take them to see some baseball team they’ve never heard of instead of going to Disney World.
It remains to be seen whether the A’s will thrive in Vegas. The Golden Knights are doing well, for sure. Raiders we’re 31st out of 32 in the NFL…MLB really biffed the A’s thing from start to finish. They never should have left Oakland, but the owners are loathe to sacrifice one of their own. Fischer is bad, but he’s not Daniel Snyder Bad.
Tom – When you spend 5-7 days in Orlando there’s plenty of time to take in a game, and for the parents it’s a nice break from cartoon characters and children oriented activities.
If kids have no interest in baseball the sport is finished.
It’s obviously for the tourist who’s kids already like baseball. You’re a Yankees fan. You plan your Disney trip the same week Yankees are playing Dreamers.
@FeverPitch — if the basis for a team is tourism, then honestly, why doesn’t NYC have 3 teams? They’re the most visited annually of any city (Miami is 2nd, Orlando is 4th, according to 2024 Conde Nast) — while also ranking #1 in population. Brooklyn alone could be the 3rd-4th largest US city. Even Staten Island (the baby borough) is larger than Orlando. So, they have the residents, they have the tourists (overseas included), and they have the history with Dodgers/Jackie, etc. Realistically, having a team in Orlando, which can barely keep a MLB team’s spring training facility (Wide World of Sports Complex), is a waste of time and energy.
When you see that number of 62k we need to keep in mind stadium max. attendance is only 65k. Last year Bears had less…so football not working in Chicago? Vegas has drawn well for hocket.
The city of Oakland never supported the A’s. Good riddance.
They always have and tried to support the team, antibelt. The cheapness of the owner naturally alienated the fanbase.
Turn the Savannah Bananas into an MLB franchise.
Always wanted Tampa Bay to move to Brooklyn, but obviously the Mets and Yankees would block it for territorial reasons.
Ha ha. I spent 2 weeks at Disneyworld when my girls were 9 and 7. Best thing I’ve ever done in my life, but Dad slipping out of the resort for a few hours of baseball would have been a great option !
Parents may want to do something other than being surrounded by cartoon characters, but going to a baseball game while you’re spending thousands visiting Disney—which for many, is a once-in-a-lifetime trip—likely isn’t on the to-do list.
I didn’t say kids have no interest in baseball, I said that they’d have no interest in much of anything other than Disney while in Disney.
Yeah you did Tom not that I said you did as it was a general statement.
Never said kids have no interest in baseball. I said very few are going to want to go to a baseball game while they’re in Disney World. Big difference.
Tom – As baseball fans it’s our responsibility to take our kids, including daughters, to games. That’s how they become lifelong fans. That’s how we keep the sport popular for generations to come.
Only one of the 4/5 owners in A’s history wasn’t a notorious cheapskate. I mean the Oakland A’s identity has mostly been revolved around this. Finley, Moneyball…Haas was the only one who treated a team more than a novelty or piggy bank.
They wouldn’t have to block it because everyone in Brooklyn is a diehard Yankees fan and any remaining Brooklyn Dodger fans are pushing 80.
I can somewhat agree, but when people think Vegas and the is completely in my opinion but I would assume when people are thinking of Vegas they’re thinking of gambling and partying. Maybe a ball game fits in somewhere but it wouldn’t draw anybody to Vegas. Again all IMO.
Chris – It’s all about pleasing everyone who have different interests.
A group of buddies want to go to Vegas to gamble and drink and attend a game. You don’t gamble or drink, but if you like baseball you’ll go with them.
And don’t forget all the conventions and corporate meetings where the company foots the bill for baseball as a team building function.
Fever…what does that have to do with anything I said? I am a father, and I do take my children (both my son and my daughter) to baseball games. We live out of state to the team we root for, but we make 1-2 trips every summer to watch them play in person, and we watch and talk about the game all the time. I have no issue with that. But when I am taking them on a different kind of trip—such as Disney World/Orlando—it’s not to attend a baseball game for a team I have no interest in rooting for. If it worked out that our favorite team happened to be playing in the area at that time, then maybe we’d go; but if we were going to Orlando, it’s not to go see a random baseball team—and neither of my children would be clamoring for it in that scenario.
That was my point, Chris. Vega is a party town for tourists, adult tourists, who might decide to kill a few hours watching a baseball game. Far more likely that happens than a 10 year old begging their parents to leave Disney World to go sit in the stands and watch baseball.
Tom – Your situation is a bit different because you do take your family on baseball only trips, which is great.
Most parents teach their kids about compromise and being considerate of others by making “combo trips”.
For example when my team is let’s say playing in Pittsburgh we each pick out things we really want to do and divide the schedule equally. That means two games, museum visits, kids parks, train rides, etc. That’s how vacations should be.
And here’s another aspect: It’s true many people don’t stay in Florida during the summer, except for one city … Orlando. You know why? Because most people with children plan their trips to Disney in the summer. You know why? No school, that’s why.
I get what you’re saying, and I agree to a point. Your rationale saying “your team” is playing in Pittsburgh and you’re there…sure you’ll go to a game and bring the kids. No problem with that and it makes sense. However, when most families travel to Orlando it’s to go to Disney, Universal, and other theme parks or kid-related activities, not to go to a baseball game. If the team you happen to root for is playing in Orlando that week, who wouldn’t try to catch a game.
My point is that I can’t imagine many families going to to Orlando—a once in a lifetime trip for many—saying, “Let’s not go to Splash Mountain and instead go see two baseball teams we’d never watch anywhere else just because we’re in Orlando.”
While they might catch the occasional fan who happens to be in town, I still find it extremely unlikely that families traveling to Orlando are going to put a baseball game on their must to-do list.
Tom – Good discussion!
I think it depends on two large factors: Age of the kids, and whether you feel the entire family should do absolutely everything together for the entire vacation.
I mean honestly, let’s say you’ve got a 16-year-old son, a 12-year-old son, an 8-year old daughter and a 4-year-old daughter.
The girls would absolutely want to spend a day at Magic Kingdom, right? Since that park is geared towards younger children and somewhat towards girls. So wouldn’t it make sense for the wife and daughters to go to Magic Kingdom and you and your boys check out the game?
Even if you can’t manage to schedule it when your team is in town, wouldn’t you still want to watch the Dodgers and the Yankees and the Braves and the Phillies? And BTW – all of those teams will be playing in Tampa this year.
Run – Sorry took so long to respond, I wanted to think about it a bit and it’s so hard to find posts these days. LOL
Tourism enhances attendance, it’s not the primary driver.
One thing I haven’t seen mentioned, the trend now is for MLB teams to have their stadium surrounded by entertainment districts ….. it’s happening a lot. That’s because MLB owners finally realized it’s all about foot traffic.
If you go to see a game, you’re more likely to eat, drink and party before and after the game at establishments within walking distance of the stadium.
And if you go to eat and drink near a MLB park, you’re more likely to buy a ticket and attend a game. So really it’s a win-win for MLB and the establishments around the stadiums.
I’ve been to entertainment districts surrounding Globe Life Field and Truist Park to name a couple, it’s quite the experience! The Royals are planning similar for their new stadium, and the Red Sox are in the process of a huge development surrounding Fenway.
Regarding NY, it’s true the Mets and Yankees split a 39M market which is the largest per team in MLB. But besides the fact both NY teams would fight adding a third, it would be impossible for a new team to establish themselves in that kind of environment. And don’t forget you’ve got the Phillies about 95 minutes away drawing NJ fans away from the Yankees and Mets.
Trust me, the guys behind the push for an Orlando team have done their homework. They wouldn’t make such a huge investment if they didn’t have the data to support it.
More often than not, it’s lousy ownership or the lack of necessary funds for a new stadium that causes teams to move …. not a lack of support by the region.
I get what you’re saying, and I do see that as a possibility. However, my original point still stands…while there may be some tourists to Orlando who will schedule time to take in a game, the majority of those traveling to Orlando are going for theme parks. The idea of divide and conquer the kids does sound appealing but, for me, it’s not possible. The three of us have to do everything together.
And, personally, I could not care one bit about seeing the Yankees or Dodgers or Braves or whoever other than the Phillies. I wouldn’t make a special trip to see a team I don’t care for unless they’re playing the Phillies. I know others are different but that’s me and my kids.
Charlotte might be Braves country but too big to ignore. Same with Nashville but those are 2 of the most likely. Montreal is good one as well.
All comes down to stadium. Whoever is willing to build one. Can’t see ownership paying all or most of bill. Although I have some different ideas to drastically cut down on construction cost.
Portland should be next. Minor league teams have done well in the area.
Create a Marinersrivalry also. If I remember right they have a group already with plans and stadium location?
Amen to Portland. That should be the next team out west, so M’s aren’t alone up there. A team in Salt Lake City with a team in Las Vegas doesn’t make dollars and sense. Maybe Portland will be bring the first championship to the NW…
M’s will never allow a team in Portland. It’s within their media rights and as a top 20 media market too valuable to them. MLB can’t force the team to relinquish the rights.
@antibelt. M’s will never allow a team in Portland since it’s in their media rights and is a top 20 media market. Too valuable to them as they own the RSN. MLB can’t force them to give up the rights.
Tennessee.
If MLB wants to add two teams. Brooklyn and Nashville are no brainers.
Florida, Portland, and Montreal = NO
Raleigh or Charlotte should be the first city getting a team.
@HalfBaked McBride “Virginia is a total non starter…too close to DC and no metropolitan area big enough to support it.”
Virginia beach is close to 4 hours away from DC and is the 37th largest Metropolitan area in the country. The only bigger metro area in the entire country without a Big 4 team is Austin (who at least has MLS and the Longhorns). And only an hour an a half from San Antonio.
Virginia Beach area has nothing despite being bigger than Jacksonville, Milwaukee, Buffalo, New Orleans
There are reasons Virginia will never get a team, but neither being close to DC nor population size are valid reasons.
It’s more that its a transient area with multiple big cities that can’t coordinate on anything, and they have no corporate sponsors to speak of who set up shop there.
Barry Larkin, yet another one of the hundreds and hundreds of players whose best 7 seasons beat Soto’s career to date, with several other stretches (over a thousand in all) within 90% of Soto’s bWAR during those 7 years.
Nashville, Charlotte, Salt Lake City are a few more compelling locales to compete for 2 new franchises when they eventually expand to 32 clubs. If TB continues not to draw even with success and strong FO, perhaps owner can move them to Orlando or sell.
Unless they change the current system, anyone would be a fool to lay out money for an expansion team, and a city’s taxpayers fools for giving the owners money for a ballpark.
Who can you sell beer to in SLC? Or even Coca Cola?
Utah has changed. Beer and coffee are both available. Non-Mormons make up over half the population of SLC. Last summer on a camping trip that took us through Utah, stopped at a convenience store in a small town to get some milk. Went to the coolers along the back wall (about forty linear feet of coolers), they were filled with beer and soda.
Great state, great scenery, lots of outdoor activities, nice people. I’d recommend visiting before commenting. We don’t live there but visit often.
The dame people attending Jazz and “Outlaws” games?
“Nashville, Charlotte, Salt Lake City are a few more compelling locales to compete for 2 new franchises when they eventually expand to 32 clubs.”
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cwsOverhaul;
Your thinking is in line with most. However, consider this…..
Any one of those 3 areas (as well as others such as Portland) are going to be small market teams. Are their market areas much bigger than Milwaukee, Baltimore, Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, what Oakland was and Las Vegas is, and others? In fact, when teams were put in Miami and Tampa Bay the thinking was that those were growing areas that people and businesses had been moving to. How has that worked out?
Expansion is a joke. MLB needs contraction and full revenue distribution instead of having 2nd and 3rd class franchises…and again, all the areas being mentioned for expansion will be 3rd class franchises. Which brings up a logical question…..
Exactly what group of businesspeople in those areas are going to invest $2-3 BILLION dollars just to get a franchise, then invest even more to work with the local governments to build a major league park, as well as a MLB franchise infrastructure knowing that they’ll be a 3rd class franchise that cannot compete equally with other teams in the league to keep and acquire quality players?
No argument. We just know contraction isn’t something mlb or union wants to improve quality of game.
Samuel – I agree contraction is exactly what is needed. There are not enough MLB quality players to go around.
It is easy to say, but i wonder at the ramifications. How does the MLB pay off the owners of the two teams being eliminated.
There are expansion groups active in Orlando, Nashville, SLC, and Portland right now. Whether they have the funds is a different story, but if they do, MLB won’t pass up the opportunity to collect $4 billion+ for the other 30 teams.
Bucket – I agree there are expansion groups. Unfortunately there will be an even bigger disparity between the have and have nots. I think a better outcome is for teams like the White Sox and Rays to move to the cities that would like a team than to expand the league more!
I’d love to see a team in a Spanish speaking area. Has anyone heard mention of San Juan?
No, but I think I know the way to San Jose.
San Juan has been talked about for an expansion team, but the argument against it is the travel involved. The impact on west coast teams would be great. The travel to east coast cities is difficult enough.
When they cough up billionaires willing to finance their own damned stadiums instead of getting in line to bribe city councils and state legislatures for hundreds of millions of dollars in corporate welfare, maybe I’ll be able to take an interest.
Dreamers? Such a terrible name. Enough tourism in Orlando to fill many seats. This is not Miami or St. Pete.
The absolute dumbest name ever..
Childish – When I go to other countries, what do you think is the reaction when I tell people I root for socks.
worse than guardians ?? tough call
West – Nothing is lamer than rooting for socks. At least Cincinnati was smart enough to move away from it.
I think it’s a perfectly fine name.
Thunder immediately came to mind when I seen article. Apparently they had a football team called that in early 90s. Dreamers is lame but maybe just a working title until they get a team. They dream of getting one.
Yup because when families go to Orlando they think…let’s go see a baseball game instead of a theme park.
Tom – When you have a family it will go like this: “Hey family let’s go to Disney, and we can see my favorite team when they are in town”.
It’s not for every family. It’s for families that like baseball. It’s let’s cross another ball park off our list, see our favorite team and while we are there go to theme park.
So the plan is to draw more fans for the visiting teams than for the home fans that barely show up? Even if that were good enough for physical attendance (which I doubt), those tourists aren’t going to be buying the local cable/streaming packages for the team.
“Dreamers” strikes me as a cynical attempt to attract Disney $$$ (sponsorships, joint ventures, co-ownership). It’s so obvious a suck-up that they may have problems because Disney already uses “dreamers” in its business promotions and may not want other local uses of the name.
Do you think people will leave a Disney park early to watch a baseball game? I don’t.
Unless you’re moving the marlins or rays, I think Florida has enough teams nobody goes to see
Hard to give up that large of media market.
I get it for sure. And no doubt, attendance doesn’t matter as much nowadays. But there are so many deserving fanbases that would love a team and actually show up to the park for a good one. Orlando isn’t one of them.
Who exactly is buying these local media services, the retirees on fixed incomes or the people who don’t actually live there during most of baseball season? If the Snowbirds are watching their Florida baseball teams, it’s through MLB.TV.
Cleveland – Zero chance of there being teams in both Tampa and Orlando.
Might want to talk Mr. Reinsdorf about his team.
Owner is problem. Not city. Even in old ball park over 2 million people came out to watch the few times they had good teams. Closer to 3 million some years.
With ManFraud at the helm, why would anyone invest in baseball ??
I imagine the value of teams before him and after is pretty significant along with the broadcast deals.
Do you really believe that the increased valuation of MLB teams has anything whatsoever to do with Manfred?
I dunno. Owners like him or he would have been replaced. Embracing world baseball classic was good idea if he done anything. Like many CEOs he doesn’t read the climate well. All about the same really.
@Tom Manfred makes a $25M annual salary so yes I do think individual team valuations and overall attendance and league revenues increases may have something to do with him. Otherwise, the owners can pay a guy $250k to do the same job.
100% it does. He is the glue that holds them together.
Yup. Because MLB was falling apart before Manfred took the reins. He’s a simple cog in the wheel at this time; the game did well before him, it’ll do well after him. He’s nothing special when it comes to MLB commissioners.
Yes. Because there was also an exceptionally skilled man before him.
A big test for him coming up. Let’s see how he goes keeping them together, because nothing short of a very skilled human is getting all the owners on the same path. Then he just have to deal with union….
Is it 25million he gets ? Sounds fair to me.
@Tom All Manfred needs to do is advance the owners’ agenda to make more money and he’s done exactly that. If Manfred was/is special, then the current/past system isn’t/wasn’t working. Some fans may claim that it isn’t understandably but not a single owner has complained past or present.
@Tom Whether they do or not, teams values are indeed still going up, which is plenty of reason for rich people to invest no matter who the Commissioner is.
That was my point. Manfred is simply another cog in a long-line that may help it along, but are just along for the ride in the grand scheme of things.
team values will always rise despite who the commish is. it would take someone so utterly incompetent (like someone who would bankrupt a casino) to tank a team’s value
Well there is a president of a certain country who has bankrupted his own casinos several times. MLB has its own checks-and-balance so no team will ever be insolvent. Every team is in some ways invested in others in order to help themselves thrive.
You think it’s easy keeping 30 egotistical and extremely wealthy businessman pulling in the same direction ?
That has to take exceptional skill.
Status for the rich, and its an investment that does well when you eventually sell it down the road (so far).
It was just reported that MLB brought in a record 12 billion in revenues last year. Baseball seems to be a great investment.
I like to think of him as Larry Barkin.
Not a obvious adult film name but that was my first thought.
K9 cop movie came to mind.
That daggone beagle Larry next door is always barkin.
Florida can barely support tge two teams it akready has. Ridiculous.
Like 10 teams or so NY LA BOS PHI CHI ATL etc supports them.
Philly needs a second team. Spurn the sun for the snow and start your team up here, Mr. Larkin
What morons would put a baseball franchise in Orlando? Baseball is a failure in Miami, a failure in Tampa/St. Pete…so let’s do it again and fail somewhere else. Next it’ll be a team in Key West. Other than Spring Training, Florida is not a state where baseball will succeed.
Austin needs a team
Barf. Texas has 2 they are set
Texas can support three teams.
Build the stadium in San Marcos and have a train running from Austin and San Antonio and it would work.
It would work without a train. Largest unserved market by far.
Just Move the Rays to Orlando since their new ballpark st. Petersburg we’ll probably fall through anyway..
“Expansion won’t happen until more teams have extracted tax payer funds by threatening to move the franchise”
Rob “juiced balls” Manfred
Would love to see a team here in Orlando. There’s a lot of Rays fans here who all wish the stadium were closer. So I do think it could work.
It’s fair to say Florida shouldn’t have 3 teams but relocating 1 of them seems very doable, since both of the Florida teams are horridly managed right now.
Miami was a good market. Poor ownership though ruined it. Tampa just needed better stadium and location.
Good gig for Larkin, Lives there. Better than roving instructor for Reds.
Maybe it makes sense to have a team in central Florida because outside of Disney and that stuff I don’t think there’s a whole lot to do. But honestly, how many teams does one state need to have when they can’t even support the teams they already have? Seems like having major league teams in Florida doesn’t really work.
Florida is great for baseball. Spring Training baseball. Regular season? Nah.
First I’ve heard Orlando being mentioned as an expansion possibility. Weird.
The last thing major league baseball needs is more franchises.
Sports are held as special when the market isn’t flooded with teams. Especially mediocre teams and players. That is all baseball needs is more empty stadiums and teams paying sub .250 hitters and 4.50 ERA pitchers 20+ million a year.
If you put out a competitive product, you wouldn’t have to play games/series at NASCAR tracks, or foreign countries.
Perfect opportunity to move the Rays to Orlando. Having three Florida teams when the first two have such low attendance makes no sense.
Good call
Oh good, let’s try major league baseball in a third Florida city that won’t care.
I mean seriously Florida is the last place they should consider
If you need to add a team, I’d move Tampa there. They’ve already proven that they can’t draw a crowd in Tampa Bay and the city only marginally cares about them at all.
A real owner should get an expansion team and put it in oakland. That market can definitely support a team with the right owner.
New stadium and an owner committed to spending. Will take an owner willing to build his own stadium.
Before they do anything though they need to get the tv issues resolved. Last thing they need are more small market teams that can only compete for a short window.
Oakland will never get a sports team again. Teams can’t leave fast enough.
I don’t see it happening, but it would make me happy since the proposed site is like 15 minutes from me.
Only if the owner is worth no less than $10 Billion. Orlando is a stretch for multiple reasons besides oversaturating Florida with a 3rd team, but if they’re going to go there, DO NOT add a 3rd poverty franchise that runs out $70-80 million payrolls every year.
I think they should do it!
Fl.orida needs another baseball team, there’s simply not enough supply for demand btwn the constantly sold out marlins and rays parks. great idea Barry.
I am fine with a third franchise in Florida as long as they coincidentally move Spring Training to the Arctic Circle. The Arizona teams can move to the Antarctic Circle. And the Rockies can train on the moon.
This all makes sense to me.
They don’t need anymore trams on the east coast, but they do need two on the west coast
Dumb idea!
Austin, Portland, Nashville and San Antonio makes more sense than Orlando!
Hell, Mexico City and Montreal makes more sense!
Once upon a time, New York supported three franchises, Boston supported two franchises, and Philadelphia supported two franchises. Not coincidentally, the remaining franchises in those 3 cities have significantly higher payrolls than the majority of franchises, certainly given them an advantage. This is part of the problem and adding a third franchise to el cheapo Florida is NOT the solution. The two there already are near the bottom of the MLB payrolls. If anything, those two teams should be combined immediately into one franchise and a new team formed in New Jersey.
This all makes sense to me as well.
I think every major league player who makes over a million dollars should be required to complete a marathon every off season in under 4 hours or they are banned from playing baseball until they can. That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it because it makes sense to me. Honestly, these big over muscled wieght room dorks need to slim down and get healthy so they’re not pulling every muscle and blowing out every tendon every time they try to play a child’s game.
Having lived in Florida for 30+years I can give a different perspective. The reasons people don’t go to Tropicana Field.
1) It’s in a crappy part of town.
2) The commute from Tampa is over an hour.
3) It is expensive.
4) It’s old an decrepit
I remember when it was announced that Miami got a franchise and all the people who called into the sports shows on the radio were crying about how Miami got a franchise. Then they did get one and didn’t show up.
Another reason is so many people from Florida are from somewhere else. I’m a Reds fan, have been all my life. Moving to Florida didn’t change that. Tampa has always been a Yankees town. They do spring training there, as do the Phillies in Clearwater. The Rays are late to the game and have a hard time changing people’s minds.
If they can move to Orlando and get a domed stadium in Kissimmee they would draw people. Orlando is growing fast and people would at least go see the Orlando team play their favorite team.There’s a lot to do in Orlando,but there are way more people in Orlando too. In St Pete the tourists go to the beaches, and the stadium is way downtown, and in a bad neighborhood.
Baseball in Florida could succeed but it’s way to hot in Miami in the summer and to far out of the way in St Pete. It would be hard to change people’s loyalty to another team, but it could be done. The only caveat would be that Florida real estate is about to have a big reset. Prices are artificially high, especially in Orlando. And a lot of people can’t afford to keep making house payments on a house that is half the value of what it was a few years ago. Florida has its own ups and downs, separate from the rest of the country and we are fixing to have a whopper. People are leaving the west coast of Florida because of the three hurricanes in the past year, and the fact home insurance is triple what it was a few short years ago. After the last three hurricanes people are taking the insurance settlement and running back where they moved from. Just my perspective, and I believe an informed opinion on baseball in Florida.
Also a 30+ year Florida resident here. I think the Rays biggest problem is definitely where they play. Tropicanna is just horrible. Tampa has more Chicago transplants than New Yorkers, but the Bucs and Lightning had no problem gaining a fan base. Same with the Panthers in South Florida.
I believe the preference for the Yankees is because of spring training being there forever and a day. Not because of transplants. When you don’t have a team you tend to be a fan of a familiar team.
Appreciate the well-thought post and I agree entirely! One of my best friends from NYC recently moved down to Panama City Beach. She’s hated cold NE weather all her life. Due to her recent hurricane experience (and they weren’t even hit hard), she’s moving to Orlando and looking to buy in a few months.
Man – Unless there’s a major accident, it doesn’t take anywhere near over an hour to get from Tampa to St Pete. Unless you’re taking all side streets because you don’t like driving on the highway.
I just looked it up right now, which is the middle of peak snowbird and vacation season …. 28 minutes from Steinbrenner Field to Tropicana Field.
I’ve made the trip many times myself, never took more than 40 minutes no matter where in Tampa I started.
Right, you’re the expert who drives it every day. Try measuring time from the suburbs not from downtown Tampa. How many people reside at Steinbrenner Field? I’ve heard the apartments around second base cost alot more.Why is there always someone who is an expert who wants to start an argument with someone who has been there done that. If you drive like maniac you can get places faster, but driving normally it takes awhile. Once when I was younger and had a fast car I made it from Dayton,Ohio to Daytona, Florida in 11 hours, on Google maps it says it takes 14 hours. So,who is right, me who did it, or Google? Tell you what, go get a stop watch and drive it ten times and average out the times and get back to me.
Just thinking about summer baseball in inland Florida is enough to give somebody swampass.
A swampass is a tool that tells you what direction the swamp is in?
In one manner of speaking – the gross kind- yes
Florida doesn’t support the two teams it has now. They don’t need a third one.
Tampa is in the top 20 TV markets and the Rays are usually the top 10 in TV ratings!! The answer might be not to move the Rays but work on a agreement to sell to a local owner who wants to live here.
MLB does not need another team anywhere. Too many teams are not competitive as it is. The market is so diluted with players that shouldn’t be on major league rosters. There should be more young people playing the game instead of giving contracts to players in their late 30’s and early 40’s.
This is just silly. Florida doesn’t support the Rays or the Marlins. A third team doesn’t make any sense. Expansion or relocation will occur in 2 of Nashville, Portland, or Montreal, or perhaps all 3 of them.
Then fans supported them. Miami failed to give them a product. Tampa a stadium. Owner and politicians failed or just owners.
Oh, just stop. No more baseball in Florida.
Move the Rays to Orlando. I doubt things will be better there.
Agree to move Rays to Orlando. Its obvious St Pete-Tampa not going to pay for roof, tear it down, rebuild etc. OBVIOUS.
BUT then, re-locate Miami team to Nashville. Bottomline: One team in Orlando. Spring training starts in 2 weeks. I am already here in Florida and all set to go
First off, that name needs to go. Secondly, Florida won’t support three baseball teams, they don’t even support the two the already have. If they really want to make this happen they would be better trying to buy the Rays and move them there
Florida already has two teams that play in front of empty stadiums. Why add a third?
why are manny machado and xander bogarts,both making more money than the owners of the san diego padres?ive had many jobs over the years and not once, did i make more than the owner of the company i was working for.can anyone explain whats going on in san diego?
Accounts of Peter Seidler’s personal interest in Manny Machado says volumes when you consider people who have known Peter Seidler for decades…
Factor in AJ Preller, you’ve got two people who are spending money like sailors on shore leave Thailand, which is a very old saying in and implies what was going on.
Having somebody with chemo brain in charge of a checkbook is a risk for most families. Factor in the amounts and it is very bad for a baseball team. Chemo brain is real, and it appears that Seidler had that along with a desire to kind of blow the wad before he died. He has hamstrung the team for a decade.
Your boss could conceivably not make any profits/salary yet continue to build the value of their company by investing in it. But who is say that the Padres’ owners are making less money than the players they employ?
Montreal.
Dakotas, either.
Stupid idea. Florida can’t even sustain 2 teams well, much less 3.
The Padres will be for sale soon. If they bring in the widow of the obviouslygayman, Sheel Seidler, I bet you they could work out a deal. I know Manny Machado would really enjoy Florida.
Seriously, a California team would really benefit from going to Florida, because of tax savings. Plus, when there’s a division realignment, they can get out of the national League West and the Dodgers.
Leaving a established fan base and city with no other sports sounds like a terrible idea.
Padres just signed a 10 extension in 2023. They are locked in SD until 2033.
Terrible idea. Orlando is a quiet, backwater town in the middle of nowhere. They need a third team in New York.
A quiet backwater in the middle of nowhere? When’s the last time you were in Orlando, 1960?
1838.
Lol.
Actually MLB expanding is a ridiculous idea. The White Sox proved, last year, there isn’t enough talent to go around. Instead of expanding, they should be contracting. Starting with the two teams in Florida. I know, will never happen.
Maybe Barry can convince his old team to relocate to Florida. That way, long-suffering fans like me can become a free agent!
@esoRetePeerF
Just leave the team. They don’t care about you.
@esoRetePeerF
That wouldn’t change the owner or the idiot system that exists.
#SelltheteamBob
just what florida needs: a 3rd team playing in an empty stadium
Lol
Nobody in FL gives a f about mlb unfortunately
What about Nashville or new orleans ? Or mayb bring baseball back to montreal?
As a Rays fan, this is the best news I have heard in decades!! $ternberg won’t spend money on payroll and won’t commit t move the team to Tampa or a more central location to draw more fans, so if the Orlando group gets the expansion team and ownership proves to fans that it wants to win by spending, I’m 100% on board. See ya, Rays! I’ve given you a chance since 1998, but you haven’t spent money since the Vaughn, Canseco, Castilla, and Grieve days, and I want a title for central Florida!
Florida doesn’t support baseball just look at Miami and Tampa bay, two franchise that lacks supporters so to get another team is just not good move .
If the Rays were in Tampa in a Major League stadium or Orlando, it would be a different story. St. Pete isn’t a central location and is the hobo capital of the world, and with $ternberg charging double for the tickets in $teinbrenner Field, nobody from Tampa is going to show up to Rays games. If the Trop were in a central location like Tampa or Orlando and charged what tickets were in the Trop, Rays games would be packed.
There might be something to this. Supposedly, the Rays do well on tv.
Still can’t forgive him for rejecting a trade to the Mets
Because Tampa and Miami are drawing so well?
Please no Florida teams are a disaster
Let’s be honest, placing teams in Miami and Tampa ensured that the rest of the state would not attend. Too far out of the way of most of the population and more things to do closer to home. Orlando is a perfectly central location that even Jacksonville people can get to quicker. Miami? Seems MLB was counting too heavily on the Latin American fans to really turn out. Um, fail.
I hope they arent planning to name said team the “Dreamers”. That might be the worst team name of all time.
Went to Orlando Rays gm back when they were AA affiliate of Tampa’s. Field was in shadows of ol football stadium. Been to alot of minor league gms n for a AA team attendance was poor that night. Too much to do already in Orlando, stretching that entertainment dollar pretty tight.
The only way Orlando can succeed with a baseball team is using it as part of the Disney world experience, maybe build a domed stadium inside, and maybe they can market the team that way.
Shocking. Larkin hated the spotlight. I figured he’d be on an isolated ranch somewhere enjoying retirement
This one is easy. Expand in Orlando and some place out west. Move Rays to Chicago where the South Side can have a real team. Jettison Reinsdorf’s team to Nashville.
Florida is football country, period. MLB will never succeed enough there to be viable.
When I lived in Orlando and the Rays finally made the postseason after so many years of futility, the local radio affiliate joined the postseason games “in progress” (around the 3rd inning) as not to interrupt local programming on high school football talk (not a game, just talk).
since the rays owner cleared 100 million dollars last year. i would say,its viable.however to be fair to you gary. florida is more into college basketball and college football .the nfl and mlb come second.
Maybe. The Dolphins are kind of an institution down there.
All the same parrots. Very few critical thinkers in mlbtr. It’s obvious why Miami Tampa have low attendance. Orlando would too if they do the same. But Miami Tampa failure is irrelevant. Number of teams in a state is irrelevant.
Why put another team in Florida year round?!
Florida cities like Miami and Tampa have struggled to support major league franchises for decades.
Florida is great for Spring Training.
If the Tampa stadium deal falls through, then just move the Rays to Orlando if the business financials support it.
If Larkin builds it, they will come.
If there was an expansion
What possible team would move to Orlando?
It’s hard to imagine the league to make another team and then realignment the divisions.
If Orlando can support an NBA team they can an MLB team as well. Especially if you take into account the MASSIVE Puerto Rican community.
Pittsburgh could use a MLB team.
Juno would probably have similar attendance to Orlando.
If they want to put a team down that way, Puerto Rico or the Dominican.
Seriously though, MLB had enough teams. Do some exhibition games against other leagues like Japan. See how that goes and maybe work to joining up in some fashion.
If Nutting decided to move the franchise, I’d be down at PNC tomorrow to help them with the moving vans. He’s obviously never gonna sell, so take the act south
Maybe local leaders could convince the Savannah Bananas to make PNC their east coast hub. More entertaining, better coached and probably, more talented.
Uh, I don’t want to sound like a jerk, but MLB is better off getting a team in one of the many cities that Texas has over another team in Florida. Austin and San Antonio are big cities that could support a baseball team. I could be wrong, thus is just my observations from afar of both cities.
Ain’t happening. No way, no how. Florida is a mecca for snow birds Spring Training, that’s it.
There’s no shot MLB will put another team in Florida when the other two there — in larger markets I might add — are seemingly put together with spit and duct tape.
Orlando would be an excellent location, better than Miami or Tampa, since you have a large population base and plenty of visitors who easily could add a ballgame to vacation plans.
Neither Miami nor Tampa have EVER supported their teams, especially surprising in Tampa since the team is a perennial contender.
Relocate the Rays! Especially with the stadium chaos.
Better shot bringing a team to
Nashville or Montreal or New Orleans than Orlando. Orlando
Team will have 0 home fans and the rest visiting fans. Just more the marlins stadium with team somewhere north.
Florida barely supports one team, the notion it could support 3 is laughable… It sucks that the calculus used to make these decisions is often TV market as there are places in this country (and Puerto Rico) that would 100% support a team who won’t ever get one.
Charlotte.
That’s it.
He needs to work on getting an MLB franchise in his hometown, Cincinnati.
Stop the insanity of expanding MLB! Not enough pitching right now. And to another team in Florida…. STOP! Can barely support either of the two teams in Florida already.
Oh good a third team nobody goes to see.
Orlando could easily support a team.
They need some Asian ballplayers to go along with their Asian Massage Parlors which are homes to the oldest profession there is.
$200 for a hooker or take the family to the game??? Hmmmmm
I see an empty stadium. FA destination until some itch shows up on their physical.
Not sure a team could make a go of it under them circumstances.
Dreamers? Would that be the name of the team? Stupid name
That would be great, having three MLB clubs in Florida that no one attends games.
30 teams is more than enough
If anything the Rays should relocate to Orlando
MLB needs to get rid of a couple teams not add more. The talent has been and is diluted .
No, it hasn’t! MLB is well overdue for expansion.
It should just be somewhere other than Florida.
Ugh, another team in the Snowbird State is the last thing MLB needs!
The only way a team in Orlando would be acceptable is if they can get the Rays to move there, and even that outcome is less than desirable compared to moving them entirely out Florida.
I haven’t read the comments yet, but I’m sure they’re full of “There’s not enough Major-League caliber players to fill up two more rosters! We already have all these AAA players masquerading as major leaguers.” Which is a load of crap, because MLB is drawing talent from all over the world now. Unlike one hundred years ago when they were just getting white guys out of cornfields to fill out the rosters.
They don’t need a 3rd team in Florida. They need to move both Tampa and/or Miami. IF the tv market supports it then consider moving one to Orlando. At this point both teams would better being served being moved to cities like Nashville and Charlotte.
Exactly.
I’m from South Florida and moved to Vegas in 1997 (6th grade). As a diehard fan, I don’t want the Marlins to go anywhere. I’ve never been so proud to be a fan of a terrible team lol. Sometimes you’re just a diehard fan. With that being said, 3 MLB teams in Florida is kind of weird.
Florida does not support the Marlins or Rays, why in the world would MLB put a third franchise in Florida?
I guess if you have three franchises in Florida, all three of their average crowds might reach 50,000 total. Which would be generous, as the Marlins average 13,000 and the Rays 18,000.
Adding another to Orlando might be the worst idea ever!
Tampa doesn’t work financially. Miami doesn’t either. Orlando? If mlb is getting an expansion I’ll be shocked if it’s not a Tennessee team.
Expansion will go to a city that has or will soon have legalized gambling and legalized sports betting.
Florida as a state can’t draw flees!! Tampa and Miami are proof!! They’ll put a franchise in Carolina or Nashville in due time
Yes a third broke Florida team is exactly what MLB needs
I know it sounds stupid, but Orlando would likely be more successful than Rays/Marlins. Bigger population with more traffic going through it.
Miami’s population dwarfs Orlando. Tampa has about a million more. While Orlando gets way more visitors, they aren’t going there to watch baseball. Orlando would instantly become the smallest market team in the league.
Too many things to do outside Miami. Not so much in Orlando. The more boring a city, the more likely a team can create a strong fanbase.
You have a few points, but I just can’t see a third team in Florida. Now, maybe relocate the Rays…
The 2 existing FL franchises in its 2 largest cities are failing and constantly rumored to be moving, and some pack of dum dums is saying “Hey, let’s put ANOTHER team super close, in a second rank city!”? Who TF would take this seriously. You might as well ask MLB to put a franchise in Thunder Bay, ON.
Right because the other two Florida teams are selling out every game and doing SO well. Definitely not a market that’s already way oversaturated
Just what Florida needs – a third team to not support.
I’m guessing Vegas has adults as a larger percentage of visitors than Orlando. What’s the effect of conferences and other large groups of adults? Seems that Vegas should have better attendance.
The Rays should move to Orlando, Disney should buy them, and offer MLB tickets as part of a 5-day park pass, and fill the dang stadium. It’s pathetic what’s going on in Tampa.
I think Nashville and maybe Montreal are getting the expansion teams. We don’t need another Florida team that nobody will go see
Orlando could be cool. Not loving the name Dreamers. Also, maybe MLB could do something about the other two Florida franchise Ownership groups before putting another product in Florida.
Also, I feel the Southeast needs something more central, hence Nashville/Memphis.
Right because the other 2 Florida teams are thriving !!! NOT. Don’t waste your time.
Florida has shown it doesn’t support MLB teams….This is a hard no….Charlotte or Nashville much better choices
First take care of getting the Rays and As in their new, permanent stadiums before looking at expansion.
If the Rays moved to Lakeland, they’d be 35 minutes from Tampa and 55 minutes from Orlando.
Floridians do not support either MLB teams that they already have. There is no reason to believe that an Orlando based team would do any better.