Angels star Mike Trout met with the team yesterday to discuss his health outlook and potential means of keeping him healthier moving forward. The longtime center fielder now tells reporters that he’ll be shifting to right field in an effort to keep him on the field with more regularity (link via ESPN’s Alden Gonzalez).
Trout’s talents are obvious but his health, or lack thereof, has been the primary focus of his recent career. In the eight seasons from 2012 to 2019, Trout was a fixture for the Angels as their primary center fielder. He never played fewer than 114 games, got into at least 134 games in seven of those eight campaigns and got to 157 contests in four of them. He then played in 53 of the club’s 60 games in the shortened 2020 season.
But he was limited to just 36 games in 2021 by a right calf strain. He played more regularly the following year, but was still capped at 119 contests by back problems. A left hamate fracture was the primary culprit in 2023, with Trout getting into 82 games. Last year, he twice suffered a tear of his left meniscus and only got into 29 games. His production has still been very strong when on the field, but trying to keep him there more often is an obvious goal for the club.
In addition to those mounting injuries, Trout is now 33 years old and will turn 34 in August. His contract runs through 2030 and he therefore still has six seasons to get through, at a premium salary, before it runs its course. Center field is a more taxing position than either of the corners, so moving Trout over to right will detract from his value somewhat but ideally be better for his long-term health than staying up the middle.
The Angels have Taylor Ward in left field and Jorge Soler slated to be their primary designated hitter. With Trout now set to be the regular in right, they will have a question mark in center. With Trout having missed so much time in recent years, Mickey Moniak has gotten plenty of run there with good defensive metrics. He logged 445 innings up the middle in 2023 and then 800 last year. Combined with his previous center field work with the Phillies, he now has 1,465 2/3 innings at the position in his career with three Defensive Runs Saved and eight Outs Above Average.
The bigger question is what we will provide offensively. He seemed to have something of a breakout in 2023, hitting 14 home runs in 323 plate appearances, leading to a .280/.307/.495 batting line and 114 wRC+. However, there were some yellow flags in there. His 2.8% walk rate and 35% strikeout rate were both awful marks and his production seemed to be floating on top of a .397 batting average on balls in play.
Regression seemed to be likely and indeed came to pass in 2024. Though Moniak improved his walk and strikeout rates to 5% and 27.3% respectively, those were still subpar numbers. He hit another 14 home runs, but in a larger sample of 418 plate appearances. His BABIP fell to .272, far closer to the league average, which was .291 last year. His .219/.266/.380 line led to a 79 wRC+.
Moniak has 84th percentile sprint speed and those aforementioned strong grades for his glovework. That perhaps gives him a decent floor, at least capable of running down fly balls and stealing a few bases. There is perhaps a bit of upside with the bat but there’s also a chance that he’s a hole in the bottom of the lineup. The 32.% career strikeout rate is obviously a concern. Zack Gelof was the only qualified hitter to be above that in 2024. It is perhaps encouraging that Moniak has been striking out less over time. From 2021 to the present, his strikeout rate has gone from 43.2% to 39.3%, 35% and 27.3%, though even that last number is still rough.
Another option on the roster is Jo Adell, though there is perhaps even more concern with him than with Moniak. He has hit .211/.268/.381 in his career for a 78 wRC+, striking out 32.2% of the time. That includes a .207/.280/.402 line and 90 wRC+ in 2024, though with some nicer numbers under the hood. He hit 20 home runs last year and got his strikeout rate down to 27.9%. His .244 BABIP was below average and lower than his previous marks, despite decent Statcast data.
Perhaps he deserved better and there’s an offensive breakout on tap for him, though whether he can handle center field defensively is another question, as he has just 122 big league innings there. He has 3 DRS while OAA considers him to have been league average, but it’s hard to read too much into such a small sample of playing time.
It’s also possible that a platoon will form, since Moniak hits from the left side and Adell the right. Moniak has a dismal .176/.210/.244 line against lefties in his career but a more respectable .239/.282/.428 mark and 93 wRC+ against righties. Adell’s career splits aren’t massive but he was noticeably better against lefties in 2024. He only struck out 20% of the time against southpaws while slashing .245/.295/.582 for a 138 wRC+, in spite of a .232 BABIP. Against righties, he struck out 30.3% of the time and hit .195/.275/.345 for a wRC+ of 76.
They do have a notable center field prospect in Nelson Rada, though he is currently 19 years old and struggled at Double-A last year. In the short term, they could bolster the group by bringing in a veteran such as Kevin Pillar, who was with them last year and is currently unsigned.
Perhaps the Angels cane make it work but it’s an area of uncertainty on a roster that has a few of them. Anthony Rendon is slated to miss significant time yet again, leaving the Angels relying on another oft-injured player at third in Yoán Moncada. Shortstop Zach Neto is recovering from shoulder surgery and might start the season on the injured list. The rotation is currently relying on veteran soft-tossers like Kyle Hendricks and Tyler Anderson.
But those things were mostly true even before today’s news, which is a sensible one for the long run. Ideally, this development means that Trout will spend less time on the injured list and more time on the field, which will be good for both the Angels and baseball fans in general.
He’ll get injured on the walk from CF to RF
Angels should trade him the second week of spring training.
Return will be small.
@keysox. Angels can’t trade him. Because of his contract and no trade clause.
I’ll make sure to see every game the Angels play from the beginning so I can see this great player play, hopefully for a whole season.
Those go away with the green salad of salvation.
@keysox You are right they should trade him.
Here is the proposed mult-team trade:
Trout to Toronto, Vlad to Philly, Ohtani to NYM, Harper to LAD, Soto, to LAA,
The Angels then flip Soto to NYM, NYM flips Ohtani to LAD, LAD flips Harper to Philly, Philly flips Vlad back to Toronto, and Toronto trades Trout to LAA
My trade proposal makes as much sense as anyone who says Trout should be traded,
I dunno. Someone took on Vernon Wells’ contract some years ago.
Too soon?
@dag.nope that’s because arte hired the assistant coffee runner as the gm. It was cool he was in the organization for a long time and worked his way up, but he’s was complete crap as a gm. Did that take you 9 days to dig up?
Always a “trade Trouter” in the mix. keysox obviously doesn’t follow the Angels or know much about Trout and his contract.
He would reject any and every trade thrown at him.
Clearly you’re not an Angels fan because you’re-unformed
They would also have to be a lot of his salary. Which would make the trade pointless.
If Mike Trout is healthy this year all year long, Trout will hit 35 to 40 home run
Trout will never hit 40 homers again and I would be shocked if he finishes his contract
mrperkins: “He’ll get injured on the walk from CF to RF”
Mr. Trout has AVERAGED a WAR of 6 over 14 seasons. I guess he must have been very productive when not on the DL. And he’s stayed positive when the organization prioritized marketing over winning for his entire career. Angels got him through dumb luck and squandered everything he produced.
Anyone who bashes Trout is a disgrace to baseball.
He is poking fun at the fact that Trout has played in 266 games(out of 648) in the past four years. That’s only 41% of total games. Same time frame he’s averaging at total of 3 WAR per season. The injury bug has cost him and MLB fans dearly.
He has only played 41% of games and is still 50% better than MLB average. Insane how good he is.
LOL says the person who doesn’t watch baseball.
At what point do they consider Trout for DH? Yeah he should still be a healthy contributor to the outfield? But getting at bats from him verse not? When does that conversation happen?
When he says he will DH full time. Otherwise he will be like Yelich with the Brewers and still want OF time.
I hope this helps him.
Does that leave Jo Adell in CF? Moniak?
@donosbourne. Yeah looks it. I guess you can slide trout to left and ward to 1st some games.
I could be wrong, very wrong, but it makes sense for d’Arnard to play some first.
@halo11fan. Yeah I can see schanuel taking some days off. Moniak is probably the best option for cf. I like ward to 1st because it probably gives us the best lineup, but d’arnard works.They definitely have flexibility and hopefully Washington goes with the hot hand over playing slumping veterans.
I’ve heard some speculation about this on Angels podcasts and I think it makes sense to platoon Schanuel for now with D’Arnaud as the RH side.
I’ve been picturing a Moniak/Adell platoon in CF with Trout moving to RF all offseason. I think it’s better for everyone in that crowded OF. Reminds me of the OF clog they had in 1990. Chili Davis, Devon White, Claudell Washington on Opening Day. By mid-May it was Chili Davis, Devon White, Dave Winfield with Luis Polonia and Dante Bichette as the fourth and fifth OFers, and Brian Downing already at DH the whole time. The only way Polonia and Bichette got any decent playing time was Chili missing half the year due to injury and Downing reduced to part time DH. Talk about a game of musical chairs.
@ryanwkrol. I remember hearing perry after the season saying schanuel would’ve to earn his playing time along with rendon. Kinda looks like the whole team is put on notice. Pretty much have a backup at each position. Interested to see who wins a spot Anderson or jd Davis. Davis might make the most sense because if injuries happen to moancada and most likely will you can call up moore to play second.
Perry didn’t say that. It was a podcast expert
Why did you respond and mute me, he was zooming on foul territory he said it. I saw his big forehead and lips move.
sad to say, looks like it.
Not ideal but it is what it is.
I’ve written previously that I’ve thought that was the plan all along internally.
In the Angels defense, there were really no CF options out there this past winter, so given the fact Jo was a GG finalist and had an improved 2nd half, he was as good a CF option as there seemed to be.
Who else was there? Harrison Bader? Manuel Margot? Michael A Taylor?
Again, not ideal.
@johnnyangel. Yeah the only move that made sense was to move ward and get bellinger.
They traded Marsh for O’Hoppe plugging one hole and creating another. Halos had what 2 – 3 years to fix the OF since creating this gaping hole. They failed miserably with Ohtani and could have restocked but did not.. Just a badly run franchise.
The Angels traded a very good catching prospect. Catcher would not have been much of a hole for very long.
Marsh is a very good player as well.
@psychguy. He’s talking about quero. So far he’s not a very good catcher, but can hit.
I don’t know how good of a catcher he is. We’ll see.
@johnny
The Angels should call the Cardinals about Michael Siani. He’s not an ideal starter, but he is a ++ defender who could act as a nice complement to Adell. He is a LH hitter, so that fits.
I love Siani, but he is a redundant player for the Cardinals. He is also basically found money, so the cost to acquire him wouldn’t be much.
Not sure if Halos have anyone legit to offer.
The Cardinals are waiting to see how Siani and Scott develop offensively before they consider trading either one. They don’t want to trade Siani only for him to be the one who breaks out on offense while Scott continues to suck at the plate.
Plus, Siani actually did improve offensively as the season went on last year until he got injured in early August.
Siani’s OPS+ by month in 2024:
March/April: 24
May: 72
June: 93
July: 91
Moniak.
Read the article and you will see the answer (well… “answer”) from the team.
The article says Moniak although he has huge question marks. Behind him Adell although he has even bigger question marks.
Interesting figured he would play left, because his arm isn’t strong enough to play right.
Does he have a weak arm? I’m serious as I’ve never heard his arm discussed one way or another.
He does not
His arm strength was 44 percent last year. However in 2022 it was 84 percent. I guess it will depend on his health.
@HaloFan- I’m not putting much stock into a 44th percentile arm given he played less than a month and there were those lingering health issues. You’re an Angels fan though, so am I off base here?
@lordD. It was always a weakness. It definitely improved in 2019 and on and I’m not saying it’s a noodle arm. Just saying it’s not typically a right fielder arm.
I find it a bit odd to consider Trout’s arm his weakness when he’s consistently been 80th percentile or better there most of his career.
Do you really think that a “typical” RF arm is 90th percentile or better? Think about that a while.
@dag. I found it odd you can’t read. It was a problem coming into the league. I even gave you the years it improved. Just saying rather have adell at right field. It’s my personal preference.
Since StatCast started measuring arm strength in 2020, Trout is in 84th percentile. He will have no problem in RF.
Trout from 2021-2023 had an average of 89.4 mph and 84th percentile arm strength. .
Just for a comparison, the average RF with a qualifying number of innings played in 2024 was 89.4 mph.
Jo Adell was 63rd percentile at 86.7 mph
Historically, his arm hasn’t been weak. 75th-84th percentile from 2020-2023. Looks like it started to decline last season, but there were other factors at play, plus it was a very small sample size. I’ll be curious to see where it lands this year.
He doesn’t need to be ichiro or vlad Guerrero SR throwing laser beams from right
Do all right fielders need to have a strong arm and that’s about it? Kind of… but in my mind trout moving to left (or full time DH like Marcell ozuna) would’ve been a better fit
But him moving to right is better than him staying in center
But then does Taylor Ward have a better arm than Mike Trout? I agree that the stronger arm should play RF, but the comparison needs to be made among the Angels’ starting COers themselves rather than all of MLB.
Ward does not have a stronger arm than Trout.
Hope this allows him to stay healthy and play 130+.
Hopefully 60+
It’s sad when an amazing non-catcher position player “staying healthy” only means a minimum of 130 games played. For most non-catching position starters, you’d be hoping for 150+.
I would be ecstatic with 100-110 games
Hope it lengthens his career but he’s still NOT getting traded to Philly…..
Free Mickey Moniak!
Is that the new name for “Injured List?”
You mean steroid list
Anabolic steroids accelerated repair of skeletal and muscle injuries. That’s exactly the opposite of what we’ve experienced with Trout.
I suspect their point is that while anabolic steroids do greatly improve repair (as a treatment), they are also strongly connected with higher injury frequency.
In addition, corticosteroids are known for aiding in short-term relief of pain and swelling, but not actually promoting healing. This ends up causing an increased chance of injury over long-term use.
Anabolic steroids are only associated with an increase in one type of injury, tendon damage.
Anabolic steroids help build muscle tissue and increase body mass by acting like the body’s natural male hormone, testosterone. Athletes are able to train more often and for longer periods of time, with improved recovery. They also help in short-term muscle injury recovery. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9934411/
Why even play him in the field anymore at this point?
That’s what I was wondering too. Don’t get me wrong, Soler makes the Angels better but it kind of clogs up the DH spot and if the goal is to try and keep trout healthy and in the lineup the best chance of doing that would obviously be putting him as a primarily DH.
Jesse: I would guess Trout will play some games as DH but he belongs in the OF. I know this will stir some controversy, but when healthy I think he’s the best player in the game. Just my opinion.
@Avenger: agreed, but the problem is he’s never healthy anymore. They should be looking to keep him on the field by any means necessary, even if it means DHing him
He WAS the best player in the game, not so much anymore even when he’s 100% healthy. Many players, specifically Ohtani, have passed an even healthy Trout at this point.
@tom. He was right behind judge, and ohtani in 2022. Only playing 119 games. Wouldn’t say that passing him up. Also was leading the league in homeruns last year before he got hurt. He’s not regressing just can’t stay healthy.
I think a healthy Trout is one of the best players in the game.
I guess “right behind” is open to interpretation.. In 2022, he trailed Judge (by a lot) in nearly every category, counting or rate-wise. He and Ohtani were closer offensively but when factoring in he made 28 starts, it’s not close.
He can be a very good, elite-level player, but his best days are behind him. He IS regressing. Prime/Vintage Trout was a .300/.400/.500 with 175ish OPS+. All those numbers have fallen in recent years.
Sure. One of them. No question. The post I responded to said that he was THE BEST in the game, which he once was but no longer is.
@tom. I meant to say right behind ohtani with less games in 2022. I thought the poster said one of the best players in the game. It’s hard to say he’s regressing when he was on pace to have his normal numbers. That’s the case every year. Obviously he’s going to fall short if he only plays 20 games. He’s still top 5 in the game.
7.1 WAR/162. He is still one of the best players in the game when healthy. The problem is keeping him on the field.
Agreed. And Trout wants to be playing in the outfield (even if he’s settling on RF), which will make him better overall. As opposed to relegating him to DH (and sitting on the bench or taking swings in the back while the game goes on). If it’s a bit risky, it’s worth it, though I don’t think it’s that much of one.
There’ll be time later on (hopefully) when he can move to DH (at least p/t).
At his best, he was a 9-10 WAR player. So…7 WAR is regressing. Never said he wasn’t good/great, just said he’s no longer the best player in the game. He’s not, and he never will be again. Likely, he’ll put together another season or two of elite production—maybe this year, maybe next, maybe not—but he’s never going to be the player he was, and he’s likely never to play 135+ games per year regularly again.
I don’t know, I think there is a chance he is the best player in the game again. Not a good one, but he absolutely has the talent and he’s only 200 days older than Judge.
It’s not an age issue, it’s not a talent issue, it’s a health issue.
I think there’s a lot of homerism in that belief. Trout’s a great player, and any team would love to have him (without the contract of course). but he’s never going to be the best player in the game again. Many players have passed him. Ohtani, Judge, Witt, Jr., Gunnar Henderson, Betts, etc. Even if he’s 100% healthy this year, he’s still probably outside the top five in the game.
Of course many players have passed him, but we are talking about putting up the best WAR, or close to it, over one season.
What would shock me is him playing 158 games.
But it wouldn’t shock me if a 158 game Mike led baseball in WAR.
You may want to check on that Tom. WAR/162 puts his performance in the top 7 in the game. It’s not his performance that is the problem, it’s all the time he is on the IL and can’t perform. His skills are still at the top of the league.
Outinleftfield — while WAR is a good statistics in some ways, it is not the be-all, end-all. I don’t believe you can just look at a player’s WAR and say he’s the best. And nowhere in my post did I say Trout was a bad player, or not one of the best in MLB; I simply said he’s outside the top 5. The post I began responding to said he could still be the BEST player in the game, not one of the best. Besides, if you want to argue that his WAR/162 ranks him 7th…then I’m correct; at his current best, he’s outside the top 5.
@tom. So you did say he’s regressing to be fair. He hasn’t had a full season since 2022 or atleast somewhat full and he was around top 3. The debate is what he can do on a full season. Nothing is suggesting he’s regressing just naturally his war is going to dip when you play 20 games. I don’t think anyone will debate his health. Hard to say he’s not in the top 3 if healthy.
People keep talking in circles. If you (everyone arguing) want to use WAR as the be-all, end-all of performance…fine. At his best, Trout was 9-10 WAR player. Now it’s being suggested that at his best, he’s a 7 WAR player. Correct me if I’m wrong, but if a higher WAR means a better player, then having a lower WAR means he’s not playing up to what he was; thus, he’s regressing. He’s not the player he was.
“Hard to argue he’s not Top 3 if healthy” —
Okay, so let’s look at current MLB top players…
Othani, Judge, Witt, Jr., Soto, Henderson, Betts
Who, right now, is Trout actually better than? In his current form, not what he did 10 years ago. Project out his production over a shorten season and tell me which half of this group he pushes out of the top 3.
Not calling it the end all be all. But it’s still a valuable measurement.
I don’t think he’s capable of playing close to 160, games, but if he is, I don’t see any reason he can be dismissed as being the best player in baseball for that season.
Based on what? Do you really believe he’s better, right now even at 100% healthy, than Ohtani, Judge, or Witt, Jr? Because he’d have to be better than all three of them to be the BEST player in the game.
Tom, WAR is the end-all-be-all of stats available to you and I. The teams have their own versions of WAR that are better, but for us, it’s the best.
He was leading the majors in HRs in 2024. He had 40 HRs in 2022 and didn’t even qualify for the batting title. He hit 333 in 2021.
And he’s only 200 days older than Judge.
So yes, if he ever plays 160 games again, which again is unlikely, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he was the best player in baseball.
It’s a tool, but it’s not everything. Most of us cannot even understand how it’s calculated or what it weighs more heavily. If you feel it’s the most important thing, feel free to use it. I choose to look at may different statistics in evaluation players.
Ask people here exactly what kind of Homer I am. And why use labels to discredit?
I use Judge because he might be the best player. You want to say Ohtani. He’s coming off one shoulder surgery and an arm injury. You want to say Witt. Do it again. Soto? One season with a fWAR above 7.
I’d be shocked if Trout plays 155+ games. But if he did, it wouldn’t surprise me if he had a higher war than all of them. I wouldn’t pick him to have the highest fWAR, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
And that would put him in the conversation of being the best player in baseball for 2025. I think the talent is still there.
@tom. You win. I’ll give you a participation trophy. you can pick it up at your local chuckie e cheese.
Rex, no reason to get personal.
When people get personal, they typically have run out of reasonable responses.
His Homer comment was uncalled for. I stated my case, that based on a full season, Trout is fully capable of leading the ML in fWAR in 2025.
He is talented enough and young enough that it is real possibility, provided he plays 155 games, which is the long shot.
You’re right. My homer comment was uncalled for, and I apologize. Rough day all around other than this chat. (Also, I reported my comment and asked for it to be deleted. it was inappropriate and I don’t usually do things like that. I’m sorry.)
Let’s agree to disagree. I believe Trout is still a very good player and has the potential to be one of the best in the game. However, at his age, his track record, and the payers in the game who have come up and outproduced him in recent years (even based on his projected production based on a full-season), I don’t believe he’ll ever be a top 3 player or the top player again no matter how many games he plays; other players are simply better.
We’ll never know because he’ll never stay healthy.
Tom, there are remedial math classes at your local community college that will help you understand how its calculated. Instead of commenting on a stat that you admittedly don’t understand, just choose not to comment next time.
Never said I don’t understand it, I said a lot of people don’t understand how it’s calculated—or agree with the weight assigned to certain statistics. And the fact that you have two different valuations of the same statistics from two different places (baseball reference & fangraphs)—due to those differences in how they weigh certain statistics—should tell you it is not the be-all, end-all statistic….the only point I made.
Besides, none of that factors into my post/point. Mike Trout…once a great player, the best in the game, is no longer the greatest player in the game. He can still be one of the best but he’s not THE BEST. And he is regressing. If we choose to look at WAR, his WAR has declined even when calculated out for a full season.
Anyway, thanks for trying to be the internet bully for the day. Hope you had fun.
@tom. Your going off his unhealthy years and saying he regressed. I’m sure judge would’ve had 10 hrs in 20 games as well actually he didn’t. It’s apples to oranges. Not saying he’s going to play a full season, but he’s like acuna. A potential top 1 player if healthy. Will they probably not.
Still don’t get it. It doesn’t matter if Trout is healthy or not, at his age, and especially with his production in his early to mid 20s, he really can’t do anything but regress. At his peak, he was. 10 WAR player. He’s not that anymore. At 33, he is not the peak player he was. He gets on base less, strikes out more, is less efficient on the base paths, and not as valuable defensively. Can you argue any of that?
He is still a very good player and, if he plays an entire season healthy, he’s likely one of the best in the game…at least top 10 and likely top 5. But he’s been surpassed as the best overall player in the game. Unless players like Witt, Jr., Ohtani, Judge, even Gunnar Henderson have something happen to them (injury, serious regression, etc.), they will all likely rate out better than Trout. And there is no shame in that. Trout was, is, and probably will continue to be a fantastic baseball player, far better than many who have ever played the game. But he’s not at the top looking down on EVERYONE else.
Tom, you said you don’t understand it. So just stop. Being stupid is not a sin. Being willfully ignorant is.
Sorry, but I never actually said I don’t understand it. I said a majority of “us”—meaning those who continually comment on WAR as if it’s the god of baseball statistics, including myself..
The only one being sinful here is you….calling someone you don’t know stupid and willfully ignorant because you don’t agree with my opinion and thoughts. Shameful.
Tom, you demonstrated that you don’t understand it. Us by definition includes those who the speaker is describing, meaning you. It’s the same as saying you don’t understand it.
What is shameful is lying Tom. It’s literally a sin in every major religion in the world. So stop.
People can’t misspeak/mistype? I do understand the WAR statistic. It is not complicated. My point was that it is not the be-all, end-all of statistics.. That is all.
I’ll give up though. Think what you want and insult people all you want.
@jesse. Well one the DH guys is out for the season before it even started. Trout also doesn’t like playing DH. He finally agreed to getting moved off of center. Soler isn’t blocking anyone.
Soler is signed through ‘26, so maybe that’s when Trout will move to DH.
Trout retired like 5 years ago, right?
Well his body certainly did.
Can’t believe he’s almost 34. Time has flown by since Covid
He hit 40 HRs in 2022, so no.
mad1
No Mike Trout has had injuries Mike Trout is a three times MVP winner in American League
What planet are you from?
Did the governor sign off on this?
No, the general manager and the front office of the Angels did.
He should not be anywhere near the outfield. Make him just DH. Give him every 3rd game off. That’s still 107 games. And if you still have season ending injuries while DH’ing. Then maybe it’s time to retire early and try your luck as a second hand car salesman.
Giving him so much time off would mostly defeat the purpose of trying to keep him healthy all season. They might as well try to get him to play 150+ games in fully healthy seasons going forward if the alternative is that he plays in only a maximum of 2/3rds of the games whether or not he gets injured again.
why not just DH him ?
….for better or worse….
Jorge Soler @14mil per has entered the chat.
Yeah, downgrading the defense that much by putting Soler in the field instead isn’t worth it even if Trout does get hurt again by playing RF.
Several CF’ers shift to RF later in their careers in an attempt to stay healthy/stave off father time. Maybe this helps him stay on the field a bit longer
He needs to slim down, he’s too heavy should’ve be over 210
@carlos15. He has this year. That has to be a trout thing because every year, he came in even more muscular. Not sure about 210, but I’m pretty sure he lost 30 pounds.
You could see him running on the beach nearly every day this offseason. I wonder how much that had to do with the obvious weight loss?
Trout and cash to the Mariners for Rodriguez and Solano makes sense.
The M’s trading Julio Rodriguez for a fully paid Mike Trout doesn’t make sense for the M’s.
And neither team would still make the playoffs.
It’s not weight, it’s steroid use. Look at how his head keep growing like Bonds
Good move. The game is better with a healthy Mike Trout. Perhaps on rest days put him at DH.
One day a week of Soler in the Of would not kill us. That is a great idea.
They spelled DH wrong
I doubt this makes much of a difference. Move him to DH and be done with it. Although that might not fix the problem either. The dude’s body is falling apart. Ken Griffey Jr. 2.0.
Not really sure how this will keep him heathy. And he doesn’t have the arm.
This is going to be a really bad defense According to statcast:
O’Hoppe average in blocks and Caught Stelaling. 37 percent in framing. 10 percent pop time.
Schanuel 12 percent range
Rengifo 5 percent range.
Neto 10% Range.
Moncada 2023, 40% range%
Ward 84% Range. Good defensive player.
Adell, Moniak and Trout will all be playing out of position. Moniak will do fine in CF, but can’t hit.
Might have to DH Trout 80 games or so to keep him fresh. He really shouldn’t be fielding as much so Wash is going to have to rotate that DH spot all year.
That would make sense. Solar in RF is a scary thought.
Acoss1331- I agree with Halo11, how does this help Trout so much? I think people are confusing someone that gets Injured (Trout) with someone who runs out of gas later in the year (not Trout). This could help him keep his legs but has that ever been a problem for Trout. Does anybody have stats that show an increase in injuries of CF over other OF positions. To me the other positions have many more things that can cause injury. More abrupt changes in directions, non-padded railings walls and fences. There are changing angles from park to park, as well as tarps. Learning a new position is also a risk factor, Trout has been hurt many times in non-fielding events like running the bases, HBP and broken Hamet bone .
Did RF help Tim Salmon stay healthy?
There is always hope. Mantle (trout) played 144 games at age 35. He also played 144 games at age 36.; could you imagine trout playing 144 games in 2025. Maris (detmers), cy young year coming up, like when Roger hit 61.
I remember in Little League when you put your worst player in right field.
There’s a bit of a difference between Little League and MLB.
♪♫ Little League doesn’t have lefties who pull. ♫♪
While the song (“Right Field”) exaggerates the issue, it is true that there are a lot fewer lefty and especially switch-hitters on the average Little League team, while kids that age are less likely to hit to the opposite field. I think there are also fewer long fly balls in general.
I’d like to move.
I can see Soler getting 30 or so starts in RF as he has over that past few seasons and thus getting Trout those days as DH.
A weak arm for RF, I figured they would’ve moved him to LF.
As another commenter pointed out, Trout has never been below the 75th percentile of arm strength, according to Baseball Savant.
@mlb. I was just stating ward would make more sense at RF. I’m sure they will get moved around. Adell can play RF when moniak is in CF. Soler could sit for trout. He’s just not a typical RF.
Rexhudler86 – I think Ward will get some time in CF too. He is capable and has done ok there and there is less of a chance of Ward getting hurt there in my opinion I do think Adell and Moniak are better defensively though.
Hope this keeps him healthier. He’s a joy to watch.
Adell played center in the minors and had a nice two month stretch at the plate to be 2024. Nothing incredible but solid and based on BABIP could’ve been better.
The Adell and Moniak career splits look great for a platoon. They are also both great athletes who will make some great plays in center. I like this for Mike who gives us a solid RF that we’ve been missing since Tori moved to RF to make space for the young Trout.
Please just give me one more healthy Mike Trout season, baseball gods.
9.2 bWAR/162 games average is just wacky. Even 6/162 is amazing for any player.
Although, keep in mind that it’s harder for a RFer to put up such elite WAR compared to a CFer.
Reminds me of the line from Vin Scully in For Love of the Game (remove the love crap and it was a good baseball movie).
“And you know Steve you get the feeling that Billy Chapel isn’t pitching against left handers, he isn’t pitching against pinch hitters, he isn’t pitching against the Yankees. He’s pitching against time. He’s pitching against the future, against age, and even when you think about his career, against ending. And tonight I think he might be able to use that aching old arm one more time to push the sun back up in the sky and give us one more day of summer.”
They had a Salmon in right, now a Trout
I can understand how this move will shorten his commute, but bringing in the utilities all by itself is going to be a nightmare.
Still should be moving on every play so not that much of a difference he need to DH
Probably one of the greatest “What if’s”: in MLB history! He could have passed Bonds! (and with no steroids!)
I don’t know, as he’s somewhat overestimated as a home run hitter. He’s had two fully healthy seasons when he failed to hit 30 HRs (not counting 2020). He’s only hit 40+ homers twice, including the juiced ball year of 2019.
Hank Aaron had 13 seasons when he failed to hit at least 30 home runs.
First of all, it was only 8 seasons, not 13
Anyway, Aaron only played 122 games in his rookie year of 1954, 1968 was the Year of the Pitcher (when he still hit 29), while 1974-76 was the tail end of his career while he was in sharp decline.
Fair enough for 1955, 1956, and 1964.
For a more direct comparison, Aaron hit 37 HRs per 162 games, while Trout is at….40?! (Albeit, Trout hasn’t hit his decline phase yet.)
Wait a minute, Trout actually has 3 seasons of 40+ homers?! How the heck did he hit 40 bombs in 119 games in 2022?!
OK, maybe he would’ve had a chance, although the odds would’ve still been against him.
Plus, the shortened 2020 season itself would’ve still put him at a disadvantage.
Some players don’t like to DH. They have a hard time staying focused and feeling like they are in the game. A little easier in today’s game with batting cages right behind the dugouts, with staff ready to throw some BP to him during the game.
It’s like hockey players. Some don’t get engaged in the game until that first hit
The cane make it work. But they won’t.
Probably the Right move…
Trout to the Dodgers if he’s truly getting reps in RF and then the MLB world will explode.
I love trout but it’s his body style, not his position that is hurting him. He has limited flexibility due to his body type. A lot of muscle but minuscule flexibility. He needs to lean out a little bit and see if that will help
Highly doubt that this’ll reduce his injury risks as much as he thinks. Ideally he should move to DH for the remainder of his career if he wants a better chance to keep playing more than what, 70 games a year?
it’s a tragedy but he’s close to joining mantle in the hall of what-might-of-been
Based on the splits referenced in the article, a Moniak/Adell platoon in CF looks passable on a non contending club like the Angels. If it doesn’t work out, a speedy, glove first CF is always available at a modest cost.
Ward in LF, Moniak/Adell platoon in CF, Trout in RF is the scenario I’ve pictured. I never bought into the trading an outfielder rumors. I think they should keep it the way it is and have Moniak or Adell play that old Juan Rivera role. And then just keep adding on the free agent market. I wanted them to get Nick Pivetta. Might be another veteran reliever and call it an offseason.
A healthy season from Trout and If Vladdy is a FA in 2026 I see Arte breaking the bank , a healthy trout and Vladdy will make Angels tough team. Angel fans could look forward to 2026 if all falls into place.
Just as an aside , funny , greatest players in Angel history are both fish lol
a healthy trout and Vladdy will make Angels tough team.
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Like when they had Trout and Ohtani together.
Would hope they go after 3rd baseman Munetaka Murakami in 26. He has some flaws, but he is still young and has like 2 NPB MVPs and I think there is little doubt about his power. He looked fine against good MLB talent at the WBC. There will be other teams that want him. You don’t often get the chance at that talent at that age. He also happens to play a position the Angels could use.
As an Angels fan my entire life
I am just trying to enjoy watching one of the greatest players of all time in Trout. It’s a shame that the injuries have hampered his career. Instead of bitching about how the angels have waisted his career. Ask yourself this. Did the Cubs wreck Ernie Banks Career? Loyalty is something that this generation of players has no need for? Trout is old school. He wants to be with the Angels. Just respect his decision and sit back and watch one of the all time greats play out a first ballot hall of fame career
Mickey mantle had way more injuries than trout. Even a torn acl which earned him a nickname one legged. Yet mantle played many a full season. Angels brass just needs to let trout step it up. Rendon is setting no examples and should be released.
Hopefully this is the year that Trout can stay healthy for a full season along with the core of the team. It would be nice to shut up the so called experts and prove them wrong!
Hopefully Arte can admit that the Angels are no the Yankees or Dodgers. By sticking with Minasian and hiring Washington hopefully he can redeem himself. He spends money and wants to win unlike many other owners. I myself didn’t like many of his decisions to sign these expensive, overage, injury prone free agents. I would have rather him have spent the money to fill holes and build depth. Also spend some more money on scouting and player development. Building with young players like Atlanta and the Cardinals, and filling holes from free agency
Why not have him DH? I get they traded for Soler, but they should’ve had him only hitting years ago. Such a stupid front office.
Right Field must be closer to the training room or infirmary! All MLB Injured List!
Ridiculous. This is years too late. In 2029 we’ll hear the brave announcement that since Trout has only been able to play 60 games in the last four seasons he’ll be moving to DH—which should have happened in 2021.
The Angels are just figuring this out in 2025?
Trout should have been shifted to 1B/DH 5 years ago!
With this kind of slow decision making by Ownership & Front Office
it is no wonder the Angels team is not playoffs caliber in so many years/
You all mock. There will be one year(in the next 2 or 3) in which this guy is going to play 140 games and absolutely be MIKE F”ING TROUT again. It’ll be shades of the Big Hurt when he went to Oakland. There is way too much talent there for him to not be effective when he’s healthy. We all want to see him play 130+ games each year, hit 35+ homers and continue to add to his HOF career.
With those white shoes
We went into the offseason thinking he would be splitting his time between DH and LF. Then Minasian signed Soler to play DH and it was just LF. Now its RF.
All I want to do is show up to the ballpark and see him in 50 or 60 home games. Is that too much to ask?
Poor Mike. All that talent, a superstar from across the world and still Arte couldn’t manage to get a ring.
“Trout’s talents are obvious ”
But they’re not obvious anymore- because they’re not there anymore at anywhere near his prime level because of his major decline, which began all the way back in 2020 (arguably 2019). Hasn’t been a base stealer in 7 years. Hasn’t had a good year in CF in 7 years. Hasn’t been the league leader in any category in 6 years. BA and OBP have been declining and fell all the way down to .220/.325 (!!) last year. And now the move to RF. Trout’s days as anything resembling a superstar are over, finished, kaput. He has average 3 WAR per year 2020-2024. He’s done.
Hall of Good. *Maybe* Hall of Very Good. Trout’s definitely not a true Hall of Famer, especially when his HGH/Steroid examption (whichever it is, or both) is factored
Trout is a 1st ballot, slam dunk HOF player if he never plays another game.
86.2 WAR career. (avg HOF OF is 71.3 WAR)
65.1 7-year peak (avg HOF OF is 44.6 WAR)
9.2 WAR/162 (avg HOF OF is 5.4 WAR/162)
Career 173 OPS+ (avg HOF OF is 145 OPS+)
His legacy is cemented as one of the greatest to ever play the game.
He’d be a star with Dodger go there young man