The Padres and Twins have had discussions about a potential trade that would send veteran catcher Christian Vázquez to San Diego, report Dan Hayes and Dennis Lin of The Athletic. There’s no indication that a deal is imminent. Indeed, Hayes suggests that conversations have “slowed” recently, though that doesn’t mean that the sides won’t continue talks in the coming days.
Vázquez is both a logical trade candidate for Minnesota and an obvious fit for San Diego. Twins president of baseball operations Derek Falvey said last week that the team’s trade talks had started to pick up steam. While Falvey didn’t identify specific players under discussion, Vázquez is arguably the most obvious candidate. He’s entering the final season of a three-year free agent deal. He has split time with Ryan Jeffers over his two years in the Twin Cities.
Over the past two seasons, Jeffers carries a .246/.328/.456 batting line in exactly 800 trips to the plate. Vázquez has hit .222/.265/.322 through 670 plate appearances. Manager Rocco Baldelli nevertheless stuck to the even divide in playing time last year. Each player made 81 starts. Jeffers caught 720 1/3 innings, while Vázquez logged 719 frames.
Jeffers clearly brings a much higher offensive ceiling. Vázquez is the superior defender. While Jeffers receives subpar grades for his receiving skills, Vázquez has long been a quality pitch framer. He was also a superior blocker. Last year, Vázquez was charged with just one passed ball and was behind the plate for 19 wild pitches. Jeffers committed three passed balls and allowed 28 wild pitches.
Despite Vázquez’s defensive advantage, the Twins may prefer to give Jeffers an extra 15-20 starts to keep his bat in the lineup. That’s particularly true when considering the financials. Vázquez’s deal pays him $10MM annually. That’s a lot for a part-time catcher. Minnesota’s front office has been hamstrung by the budget for a second straight offseason. The Pohlad family ownership group has been loath to raise payroll as they explore a sale of the franchise. Minnesota has not made a single major league free agent signing this winter. Their biggest moves have been depth trades for Mickey Gasper and former top catching prospect Diego Cartaya.
The Padres are in a remarkably similar spot. While ownership isn’t selling the franchise, there’s litigation amongst the Seidler family for control. San Diego has slashed payroll for two straight years themselves. They also have not signed any major league free agents or made any trades of consequence.
Padres president of baseball operations A.J. Preller has his work cut out for him in addressing multiple areas of need with a limited budget. Catcher is probably the biggest issue on the position player side. San Diego hoped that Luis Campusano would run with the job in 2024. Instead, he hit .227/.287/.361 while grading as one of the league’s worst defensive catchers.
Campusano ceded the starting job to Kyle Higashioka down the stretch. Higashioka landed with the Rangers on a two-year free agent deal, leaving Campusano as the default projected starter. Brett Sullivan is the only other catcher on the 40-man roster. San Diego recently added Martín Maldonado on a minor league contract. He hit .119 in 48 games for the White Sox last season. Chicago released him in July.
The 34-year-old Vázquez would provide a significant defensive upgrade over Campusano. While he hasn’t produced at the plate in Minnesota, he was a league average hitter (.274/.315/.399) between the Red Sox and Astros back in 2022. There’s more hope for getting something offensively from Vázquez than there would be if they select Maldonado’s contract.
San Diego would not take on Vázquez’s entire salary. He’s comparable to Jacob Stallings ($2.5MM) and Austin Hedges ($4MM), each of whom signed cheap one-year deals as free agents this offseason. The Padres could push for Minnesota to eat at least half the money to facilitate a trade. Hayes and Lin write that the Twins are reluctant to pay down too much of the deal. Their primary motivation of trading Vázquez would be salary relief. They’d also perhaps need to earmark a couple million dollars for a veteran to back up Jeffers (e.g. Elias Díaz, Yasmani Grandal). The other catchers on their 40-man roster — Cartaya and Jair Camargo — have five combined games of MLB experience.
Minnesota is looking for a first baseman who can replace Carlos Santana. They’re seeking a right-handed hitting outfielder as well. Beyond Vázquez, Chris Paddack ($7.5MM) stands as their clearest trade candidate to create a bit of payroll room. To be clear, there’s no suggestion that the Padres have interest in reacquiring Paddack. Justin Turner, Anthony Rizzo and Ty France are among the unsigned first basemen. Mark Canha, Austin Hays and Randal Grichuk are a few righty-swinging outfielders still on the open market.
In addition to their catching pursuit, San Diego needs back-end rotation help and a replacement for Jurickson Profar in left field. They’re unlikely to achieve all of that without shedding salary in a trade of their own. Dylan Cease is their biggest trade chip. He’ll make $13.75MM in his final year of arbitration. Dealing him would be a huge hit to an already thin rotation, but they’d net MLB help in return while creating a decent chunk of short-term payroll space.
The Athletic reports that the Twins are among a number of teams that have shown interest in Cease. Vázquez obviously would not be a key piece in a trade of that magnitude, though he could be included as an ancillary part of a much larger package. As a comparison, Higashioka was probably viewed as the fifth-most valuable player in San Diego’s return from the Yankees for Juan Soto at the time of that trade.
Bring Arraez back!
Honestly a good fit, but not a lot of deals could be worked out that lower San Diego’s payroll and are still fair, centered around Vazquez
Vazquez, Maya, and $7-8 million for Arraez.
True that I didn’t think about cash, but it’s not like the twins have money to throw around either
Vazquez has had a negative WAR the past two seasons. The Twins will have to significantly pay down his deal and attach a prospect to get rid of him. To get someone as good as Arraez, they will have to pay most or all of Vazquez deal and give up MLB ready prospects near the top of their system.
100% I agree, I”m just saying I don’t know if it’s gonna happen because of their payroll situation
Lets – Agreed, it’s literally impossible for just two teams to have a trade and both reduce payroll with it. A third team would need to be involved.
It’s telling that despite the Red Sox having a huge need at catcher (last season they had statistically 2 of the 3 worst defensive catchers in MLB) they have shown no desire to re-acquire Vazquez.
That’s because even though his defense has improved with a lighter workload, he is still considered to be one of the worst gamecallers in MLB.
If the Padres trade Arraez, that sets them back.
The Padres need contact hitters.
Also, Vasquez is OK but I don’t see how he will come close to replicating the power that Higashioka had.
Team needs a Dh/Ib, l, starter etc. Sure thus may give you a shot to play Campusano but is that really a good thing?
If the Padres miss our on Profar, Verdugo needs to be an option.
Rizzo would fill the hole at Ib.
I’d be happy with Rizzo and Verdugo, which, again ownership will disappoint fans and expect the team to go with Ornellas,Lockridge, Maldonado and Rosario off the bench.
That is not a playoff team.
Towinagin has some fodder to make hay over.
Absolutely.
Lmao
Interesting which bad contract MIN would take back for Vazquez.
Vazquez is the bad contract. The Padres don’t have any other than potentially Bogaerts.
@ soulsurfer. Er, Matsui, Peralta, Cronenworth? None of those ring a bell?
None of those are bad contracts.
Matsui were better than average relievers with a 3.76 and 3.99 ERA respectively and they will make $5.5 million and 4.25 million in 2025. Did you see the contracts being given out for mediocre relievers this offseason? Those are good contracts.
Cronenworth put up 2 WAR playing mostly 1B for $7 million. If he played mostly 2B, that would have been over 3 WAR because of positional adjustment. If that is all he ever does for the $11.83 million he will average for the rest of his contract, he provides exceptional surplus value.
Try again.
Machado is a bad contract. Bogaerts is obviously well underwater.
Neither is upside down yet. They may be at some point, but that point has not arrived yet.
@Jbigz Machado is absolutely not a bad contract. His production on the field is only half of his value. He’s one of the bigger names in the sport, his stardom alone has a ton of value.
What many often forget, is MLB is a business built upon a sport. The business half and the sport half can’t exist without each other. Players like Machado are what drive the sport.
Tigers, I remember the Angels owner saying after they cut him that Pujols had made him money and he would do that deal again. We all saw Pujols decline on the field but he made Arte Moreno money by being there so that made it worth it for him as the owner of the team. Winning and making money are two different things.
The Padres don’t have any bad contracts besides Boegarts??
The only long term contract the Padres have that isn’t underwater is Tatis’ deal.
Boegarts, Machado, Musgrove, Cronenworth and Darvish are all underwater. I don’t think you could send Boegarts or Machado along with 100m and find a taker. If I had to guess the magic # is around 150m for either of those two. Tatis surplus value IMO covers one of them and Merrill covers the other…but that’s still not great.
I do think Machado will provide a lot of production over the next 5-7 years, but this is a pivotal year for Boegarts in his SD tenure. He averaged a 135 OPS+ his last 5 years with Boston and 120 mark in 2025 would be amazing at this point.
Machado I have full confidence is going to age well… and he better for SD’s sake owed around 7/280 in 2 years time.
Under water implies that those deals have not provided equal value or surplus value. Of the ones you named, only Musgrove with a 3.7 WAR with a value of $34 million and $40 million paid is underwater at the moment. All the others have provided equal or surplus value.
Bogaerts – 5.6 WAR with a value of $51.8 million while being paid $50 million.
Cronenworth – 1.9 WAR with a value of $17.5million while being paid $7 million.
Machado – 5.0 WAR with a value of $46.25 million while being paid $23 million.
None of those deals are underwater yet. If Bogaerts repeats 2024, then he could be. If he repeats 2023 then the Padres are far into surplus value. Cronenworth could play mostly 1B, get a 1.9 WAR each season, and the Padres would be way ahead. Machado made $13 million in each of the past two seasons. He starts making $35 million in 2027 and there is a good chance that at least some of those years he will be underwater.
I say trade Hosmer’s “bad contract” for $13M in 2025 to … well, whichever team out there is willing to eat it, lol. Hosmer’s contract has been an albatross for the Pads since the day he arrived. Not his fault. Maybe not even Preller’s (yeah, I’m feelin’ generous tonight). Things just didn’t work out.
Machado will be worth his (now declining, in MLB $$) contract every day of his career. Bogaerts was a mistake, not nearly as bad as Hosmer other then the amount of money. It’d be nice to lose him while he’s still pretty much pulling his weight, but that’s not gonna happen unless the Pads are willing to toss in someone like Merrill. (Now, THAT would suck!)
Preller worked miracles last year, and should have been the GM of the year, IMHO. I doubt he can pull it off again. If he can, they ought to crown him king or Commissioner or something. I think the Pads are in for some lean times, if Preller can’t fill the holes while cutting salary. Trading Cease really looks like the “Soto” option, i.e. it’s gotta be done due to salary + pending F.A., to attempt to pull back some young pitching talent (and it’d be nice to do a Yankees kinda of deal again, maybe pickup a Higgy type catcher, except Cease ain’t Soto).
It’s 2/3’s through January, and Preller hasn’t been able to move the needle yet. I fear that it’s gonna be tough times ahead for 2025 (at least, and who knows beyond that?).
Machado I have full confidence is going to age well
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He already hasn’t. He’s averaged 3.0 bWAR over the past two years. You’ll get that for maybe 2 more years, and the final 7 years is likely to be a disaster.
I think of a contract being underwater when no one would take on the deal for free with no money being included to help pay it down.
Similar situation to buying a house and it losing value and the seller can’t sell it for what is owed on it.
Machado is owed $317MM until he’s 41 years old.
That contract is underwater because of the future commitments. He’s 32 years old right now and has shown signs of decline.
Pads would be eating at least $100MM to dump him off somewhere for nothing. He’s not much different than Bregman. No one has offered bregman $200MM….
Manny produced 3.6fWAR 3.1bWAR last year so I’m not quite sure where the 5 WAR statement is coming from.
From 2027-2033 he’s owed over $39MM per. Those are all past prime years. This deal is only going one way.
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Totally agreed. If you say Machado is still productive now so it’s not a bad deal—-that simply is not true. The future commitments are far too high & there’d be no one taking it on.
Teams won’t sign up to pay Bregman $200MM now because he’ll produce in 2025. Machado is a bad contract.
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I think of a contract being underwater when no one would take on the deal for free
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That’s where I start every analysis. If you put someone on waivers, and no one claims them, they are under-water.
After that, if the player were a FA, what would he reasonably expect to get? In this case, I’d use Bregman as a comp. Assuming one thinks Bregman is as good (likely better) as Machado, and if you can get Bregman for $150M/6, then that puts Manny underwater by ~$150-170M.
Machado’s deal started in 2023 so I’m assuming 2023-2024. From 2027 on his salary is $35 million. I would not trade for that contract if I were Breslow even though he would be a huge upgrade for us at 3B. So in that regard I would say it’s a bad contract. Through the first 2 seasons the Padres have received surplus value so in that regard its been a good contract so far.
I do love all the people that come on here and turn into Isaiah or Nostradamus who can predict the future. The same people who argue that you can’t discount older players because Goldschmidt was an MVP at 37 are the same ones saying Machado is done at 31. It’s hysterical.
Machado will be 33 this summer.
It is a bad contract. I think he has a few quality years left in him. But that will be a boat anchor. It’s completely immovable and will be far underwater.
It’ll be Nolan Arenado x5. I doubt his 2027 season will be worth the $40MM he’ll be paid. Let alone the following 6.
Ryan, if Machado has a 6.0 and 7.2 WAR in successive seasons at age 33 and 34 like Goldschmidt did it will be a bad contract? You praised Goldschmidt under your other name Ragnarok, but you are claiming Machado cannot do the same? Machado had a better season at age 31 than Goldschmidt did, so why are you proclaiming that it’s impossible for Machado to match his age 33-34 seasons?
Are you saying its impossible for Machado to be as good as Freeman was in his age 32 and 33 seasons?
Best, Goldschmidt had that great season at age 34. At age 33 he had a 6.0 WAR season. He will be 37 in 2025.
That the 11 WAR Semien did at age 32-33 is out of reach for Machado?
From 32-34 Freeman has 17.4 WAR worth $160 million. Machado doing that puts him over $200 million into surplus value. Are you saying that is impossible for a player that has done that before and had higher WAR than Freeman did at any point in that stretch just 2 years ago?
lol Goldy? I don’t recall praising him at all. It’s all one account though. Was funny to watch you log onto 2-3 and call me Ryan.
You’re just so inconsistent. When a player is a padre your narrative and analysis completely changes. Machado on any other team and you’re talking about how overpaid he is.
No I don’t think there’s any chance that Machado produces a 7 WAR season. At his best Machado was producing a ton of value with his glove. That’s not going to jump back up at his age. He’s slowing down and once the bat speed takes a step back—-it can get real ugly
But I think Machado can be a productive 3-4WAR player for a few more years. Inevitably more decline will come and he’ll be massively overpaid.
We’ve seen this story play out time and time again. Why a 31 year old Bregman can’t find $200MM. A soon to be 33 year old Machado certainly isn’t going to make good on the $317MM left.
Thanks. I knew I blew that as soon as I hit post, but for some reason since I started paying them I can’t go back and edit comments.
>>…bad contract. The Padres don’t have any other than potentially Bogaerts.
Really? You can claim that the happy front end years offset all the pain that is coming on the back end, Only Padres fans that are satisfied with that World Series win (?!?) can look at the next 6-8 years and say it won’t be bad. The back side will be very bad.
Here’s a real test for contract soundness: what would it take to trade that contract? Only a couple teams could look at those and not immediately hang up, and I can’t imagine the kind of roster hole that could make the call last past “none, why should WE be sending any money?”
For everyone else, like Cro, GMs can figure out a number one way or the other. Guys like Manny and Bogaerts are so far underwater, it is difficult to find matchups.
Just from my RS perspective, he’d be a perfect fit for about two years, but there is no chance they’d take on the final 7 years of his contract.
Get back to me on Manny in a few years. It is extremely possible for him to put up several 5-6 or even 7 WAR seasons in the next 3 to 5 years. Others have done it recently. If he does that, it will pay for the next 5 or 6 just in surplus value. As of today, his contract is in the black by a large percentage. Your crystal ball is murky to say the least.
Because of the positional adjustments in WAR, if Cronenworth did nothing else except start 80 games at 2B and 66 at 1B last season, he would have had a 2.7 WAR due to positional adjustments. Same performance both offensively and defensively. Would anyone be questioning his performance then?
If he had played 147 games at 2B last season like he did in 2022 his WAR would have been 3.4. Would anyone be questioning his performance then?
What position would the GM of any other team want Cronenworth to play? That is right, 2B.
Unlike fans and far too many writers who really don’t understand the stats they are quoting, no GM is going to misunderstand Cronenworth’s value. Even if nothing changed, he provides surplus value at the mix of positions he has been playing for th ePadrs.
Only the Padres who had a ridiculous wealth of middle infielders the last 2 years would have moved him off the position. Why? Because they don’t care about WAR, they care about having as good of a player as possible for the price at each position. That was Cronenworth at 1B most of the year,
Seeing as they’re seeking salary relief, Minnesota would likely not take on a similar contract. It probably comes down to how much the Twins are willibg to pay down and which prospect they’re willing to give away to get the deal done.
San Diego probably wants a mid tier prospect and $5 miili9m in exchange for a total lottery ticket.
I assume that’s why no deal has yet been done.
$11.83 million? For a 2 time All Star? If they won’t, send him to Boston please. We won’t play him out of position and the 3-4 WAR he put up as a 2B will make that a bargain.
San Diego’s payrol hasn’t been “slashed” and is in fact up almost $40M this year to be fair.
“the Padres have slashed payroll for two straight years” doesn’t exactly add up when payroll right now is around 20% higher than at years end a mere 3.5 months ago. So F’n strange how that works!
Back weighted contracts and Preller getting teams to pay the salary for all those trade pieces last year will do that. Plus the arb eligible increases.
The Padres could trade Crease, Arraez and Suarez and still not “slash payroll”.
The writer should look at 2024’s payroll and where they are right now and correct this article so it’s not contradicting.
Das – Exactly! It was just a poor choice of words in the article, instead of “payroll” which includes contracts signed in the past it should have said “payroll spending” which is strictly the cost of acquiring new players via free agency or trade.
It’s pretty shocking they haven’t signed a MLB free agent this offseason.
At this point in the last offseason as far as I remember Preller had made the Soto trade and signed Matsui in FA. That was it. The rest of the moves happened later in the offseason and during the season.
Wandy Peralta signed a couple days before camp opened. Profar signed a couple week into spring training. Cease was traded for 2 days before the Seoul Series.
Going into last offseason Preller had many more holes in the roster to fill. 2 SP, a LF & CF, a catcher, a DH, and the entire bench with few options in the minors.
In mid-March, days before opening day, we were still not sure if Azocar, Marsee or Merrill would be the starting CF. Graham Pauley was the backup to Wade at 3B. A 34 year old with a career 0.1 WAR average and coming off a negative WAR season was the backup catcher. The rotation was Musgrove, Darvish, and 3 unknowns. King had never started more than a few games in the majors. Matt Waldron and Randy Vazquez were complete unknowns. Brito was still considered an option for the starting rotation. Cease was still a White Sox.
The regular season starts March 28th. At this point, I am giving Preller the benefit of the doubt.
Think in terms of CBT, not cash flow.
Projected CBT payroll is up $20 million as of today and will go up a minimum of $1.5 million more by opening day with the addition of two players to the 26 man roster if no other additions are made through free agency or trade. Payroll is up no matter what number you look at.
Between January 22nd and opening day last season the Padres added $16 million in CBT payroll. During the season they added another $10.75 million.
Okay, I missed the arbitration raises. My bad.
And now so have we.
AJ starting to cook……
Perfect opportunity to pick up some long term pieces
Twins get Cease
Padres take back Vasquez contract and pick up
Keaschall to replace Profar in LF
RHP Morris
RHP Lewis
2B/SS Eeles
Twins pick up a cheap TOR arm in Cease and can QO him in the off season
Padres get a catcher they need to play with Campusano, long term LF, pitching in Morris and Lewis, and try Eeles at SS to put Bogaerts back at 2B
The idea is there, but the Twins won’t give up Keaschall and all those arms for one year of Cease.
It’s a two tier trade
Keaschall and Eeles for Cease
Padres taking back Vasquez full contract in return for Morris and Lewis which helps off set the cost of acquiring cease adding only what 4 mill to minnesotas payroll leaving them room to make other additions.
Just made it into one deal for the sake of simplicity.
After seeing what the Padres asked for Cease when Breslow asked about him, that is not going to cut it.
Terms of service is a hell of a thing :).
Sure is!
Hey you’re capable of more than loling. Enjoys knew
The NFL has enough teams.
MLB has too many teams time to down size.
But you’re screaming about the NFL, which has enough teams.
And your mlb team deserves to be classified as an AAAA team.
Bring San Diego: And who pissed in your oatmeal this morning to make you so angry?
I mean seriously, you have your entire life to be an ignorant shmuck. Why not take today off?
Ortiz was the #63 prospect. DL Hall no longer qualified as a prospect after 18 outings and a 3.26 ERA for the Orioles. He was a top 100 prospect at the beginning of the 2023 season. The Orioles also gave up a 1st round pick, #34 overall.
Baseballisthebest
Ortiz was the #63 prospect.
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Ortiz was unranked by BA and BP.
Hall’s 3.26 was in 19.1 IPs, so it was meaningless. And he would not have been ranked regardless due to his 5.5 BB9 in AAA at age 24. Hall is a lottery ticket, likely a good RP.
Ortiz was the #63 prospect at the beginning of the 2024 season. The trade for Burnes was February 9th, 2024
DL Hall was a top 100 prospect for 5 seasons. He was a top 100 prospect at the beginning of the 2023 season and then had a 3.26 ERA while striking out 10.7 and only walking 2.0 per 9 in 2023 after being called up in August.
The number 34 pick is back of the 1st round. Picks from 30-35 make the major leagues at a higher rate than top 100 prospects overall. That pick was a huge value.
The player they took with that number 34 pick, Blake Burke, is an elite defensive 1B that hit .379 with a 1.151 OPS as a junior and was one of the top 2 hitters on the incredibly stacked NCAA Champion Tennesse volunteer team. The only guy better on that team was Christian Moore who the Angels took at number 8 in the draft. Burke went directly to A+ ball before being shut down and should start the 2025 season in AA. He will be a top 100 pick either to start the season or by the first update.
Why are you arguing against the facts?
Ortiz was the #63 prospect at the beginning of the 2024 season according to MLB. That was after being #99 at the beginning of the 2023 season. He was moving up the charts, not out. The trade for Burnes was February 9th, 2024.
Hall was a top 100 prospect to start the 2023 season and was at the mid-season update for MLB Pipeline as well. What kept him from being one at the end of 2023 was being called up in August. In 2023 his 12.9 K/9 and your oft quoted K/BB in AAA holds far more weight. He had more outings in the majors than in AAA that year as well. He didn’t start games in the majors, but that is not his call. It is a small sample size for the Orioles, but far from meaningless. He more than held his own for 2 months in the majors doing a job he had rarely done before by coming out of the pen.
Don’t bring Paddack back; he has disgraced the Padres gold and brown
Ah yes the long and sparkling tradition of the gold and brown that people have been talking about for decades.
However you wish to describe it, he disgraced it.
how so?
he said they look like UPS delivery drivers
Ha ha. That’s not bad.
Unlike a padre fan to be all hyper sensitive !
Just here to read delusional Pobre fans thoughts on how biased media coverage is against the team & how “in AJ we trust”.
Someone is bound to say that this team won 93 games LAST year…
AJ looking desperate trying to get the twins to pay the majority of a used up catchers salary
Vazquez and Castro plus Simeon-Wood for Cease…
That’s a very reasonable trade. Like I’m tempted to say you don’t belong here with how reasonable it is.
Not even close. Vazquez negative trade value. To get rid of him the Twins will have to pay down his contract and give up a prospect and get very little in return. A lottery ticket at best.
In a trade for Cease start with what Preller asked for from the Red Sox which lined up well with what the Orioles gave up for Burnes
Mayer – a Top 10 overall prospect
Abreu – a platoon MLB OF
Fitts – a MLB swingman/SP
Gonzalez – a SP prospect in Red Sox Top 10
From the Twins
Emmanuel Rodriguez
Marco Raya
Simeon Woods-Richardson
Vazquez
Because Vazquez has negative value, that works.
Both of those are not good. Padres can keep cease.
LOL, let’s throw in the moon and the stars while we’re at it. Cease has one year left and the Twins would never be able to extend him. They aren’t overpaying to get him.
They had no shot at getting that from the RS. I can ask for $1,000 for my Galarraga rookie card, but that doesn’t mean anyone will seriously consider that to be its real value.
Homer padres fans seem really confused
What Preller asks for isn’t market price.
He can set whatever price he wants doesn’t mean that’s ceases value
Market already decided ceases value which is similar to Corbin Burnes a top 100 prospect and another decent prospect depending on the top 100.
But prellers always screwed himself out of deals. My favorite was kimbrel for Goldschmidt. Also had a chance to trade Tyson Ross at peak value and screwed himself out of that one too, and Andrew Cashner.
Ryan you are really confused. What Preller asks for is what it will take to trade for Cease. The end.
The price for Burnes was the #63 overall prospect, a former top 100 prospect that had a 3.26 ERA in the majors after being called up in August, and a #34 overall pick used to take one of the best college hitters.
Now say goodbye Ryan. It’s obviously you and I have humored you long enough on your new account. I have no more time for your BS and attempts at spin when you are shown to be wrong.
Still not Ryan. Your obsession with this dude is sad.
I would prefer they go after Endy Rodriguez. He is back and pre-arb.
Vazquez is on a terrible contract. He provided negative WAR in both of the last 2 season in Minnesota. The Twins would have to eat $9.24 million of his deal or add a prospect to get some team to take him.
The Twins roster has some big holes, but the biggest are at 2B and in the bullpen.
The Twins are also trying to trade Pablo Lopez but have been shopping him as if he has tremendous value which he doesn’t have. He is owed $64.5 million for the next 3 seasons but has been just slightly better than league average the last 2 seasons in Minnesota with a 3.87 ERA and 110 ERA+.
Here is my proposal.
Christian Vazquez + $9.24 million
Pablo Lopez
Kyle Debarge (because Preller likes shortstops. If you prefer not to include an IF, then Soto)
Jake Cronenworth
Wandy Peralta
This proposal is dollar neutral both short and long term and WAR neutral and it helps both teams at positions of need.
Not sure the Padres would do this trade because while Cronenworth is locked up long term, their other 2B for 2025, Luis Arraez, is a FA after 2025. As the saying goes, you have to give to get.
Twins will say no once they stop laughing.
Not so. The first thing they’ll do, when they stop laughing, is to change their phone number. If SD put Cro and Peralta on waivers, no team would claim them.
I m sure they would
Joe, Breslow tried to trade for one of the two so that is not true. Not smart to say a reliever that has a 3.09 ERA over last 3 years and an affordable salary would not be claimed. You are trying to be funny and it fell flat. Stick to what you do well which is discussing baseball based on what players are doing on the field.
Peralta also has a 5.22 FIP over the past two seasons, with a 7.1/4.2 K/W per 9. That’s pretty weak. I guess he’s cheap, but he doesn’t have good underlying numbers.
But either way, he’d be a throw-in in any trade.
He would immediately be claimed if put on waivers. So would Cronenworth for reason I have enumerated several times but that obviously you didn’t understand.
Vazquez’s contract isn’t so bad that the Twins would need to do that deal, trading Pablo Lopez? Come on! The Twins could simply just keep him, reduce his AB’s as he provides positive defensive value. He’s also credited for ushering in all of the Twins young pitching to astronomical success, Joe Ryan, Bailey Ober, Simeon Woods-Richardson, David Festa, Duran, Jax, etc.
Also, the Twins don’t have holes at 2B or the bullpen in fact, they have surplus in both areas. Good luck this season in your division!
It’s not that bad. The downside is only $10M. There are probably at least 100 contracts out there worse than his. The likelihood is exactly what you wrote. They keep him and make a pretty expensive backup catcher.
They can trade Lopez and Vazquez together and still get a prospect package back.
Pitching is expensive and Lopez is locked up in his prime. Market value on 34 year old Nathan Eovaldi is 3/$75MM. That’d be the price for selling Lopez and Vazquez.
Acquiring team can go pay down Vazquez and flip him for another $4MM of salary relief.
Id be perfectly happy w/ the O’s doing that. Send them McDermott & Beavers and call it a day.
@joe
You can’t do anything but laugh at that. Twins give up prospects, pay Vazquez’s salary down almost all the way and give up Pablo Lopez for 2 underwater deals.
What prospects do you think they can get? Certainly less than trading Lopez without including Vazquez in the deal. The Twins have not found a deal they like for Lopez.
If Vazquez was a free agent he would not be signing anything more than a minor league deal. 2.5 years below a 0.00 WAR will do that to a player’s value. You are dreaming if you think he has $4 million in value. The problem for the Twins is that he has so little value that they would have to add good prospects to him to get back lesser prospects in return.
As a Red Sox fan I would be happy to see the Orioles do something stupid like that. Give your boy Elias a call and see if he would do that.
He explained it pretty well. His proposal would send the same WAR and salaries to both teams.
As far as Vazquez goes, he has a -0.5 WAR the last two seasons. If he was waived today no one would pick him up for the major league minimum. Getting some team to take him in trade will take eating his salary and adding a player of value just to get a low level prospect back.
The Twins don’t have to trade Lopez to get rid of Vazquez, but there have been multiple rumors on this site talking about their desire to move him.
What surpluses? Julien had a -0.2 WAR and Lee was worse. He was a top prospect but as the Twins can testify from a multitude of recent examples, that doesn’t mean much. As a GM if you have the chance to add an All Star level player on a reasonable contract, you do it and worry about fitting the prospect in once they prove they can perform at the highest level.
The Twinkies picked up a Rule 5 pick that is expected to stick in their bullpen. I don’t know how you can claim there a surplus there.
Lets ignore war for a moment. The going rate for a solid defensive c with no bat is about $4MM. If the Twins pick up $6MM of the Vasquez contract, SD would be filling a need at a reasonable salary. There’s is really not a comparable C available in FA. If SD is interested, a lotto ticket would be the price. Minnesota wouldn’t need to include one of their best starters, or even a solid prospect, just pay the contract down. Of course, Grandall is still available for $2-3mm if you don’t mind watching him chase the ball back to the screen regularly.
I’ll take my chances with Diaz.
Castro, Lewis…
He’s nearly a 1fWAR catcher in part time work. He still plays defense well.
If you have no faith that he’ll hit at all—$3-4MM is about right. Hedges plays better D with way worse offense. Vazquez can go somewhere for a year for around that price.
Pablo Lopez has significant surplus value so I don’t understand this at all. If you assigned a 0 to Vazquez and think he’s an immediate DFA—you’re only tacking on $10MM in salary to Lopez.
Twins do not need to give up prospects to dump off 3/$75MM for Pablo Lopez. They’ll get something back for that.
Now do bwar…then do his ops+
The going rate for a bad catcher with negative WAR is nothing. He would not get a major league deal if he was a FA. He would be forced to sign on to a minor league deal. That is the point.
The Padres have already said that if the Twins eat his entire contract, they would be willing to send a lottery ticket, someone outside the top 30 or so prospects, in exchange for him. If they were willing to take on any more than the major league minimum for him, the trade would have already been done. They have been talking since the Winter Meetings.
Vazquez is a negative WAR catcher. baseball-reference.com/players/v/vazquch01.shtml He had a 62 OPS+ for the Twins. Brett Sullivan is projected to have an OPS 100 points higher than Vazquez and he plays good defense.
Pablo Lopez had a 2.5 WAR, a 4.08 ERA and 102 ERA+ last season. The Twins broke even on his deal in 2024. Over the last 3 seasons he has a 2.9 WAR average, 3.83 ERA, and 110 ERA+. There is some, but not much surplus value.
Certainly less surplus value than Cronenworth even if he is being shuttled between 1B and 2B.
Vazquez contract is so bad that if he was waived, no one would pick him up on a major league deal. He has a negative WAR the past 2 season.
Zoll named two areas that were ones the team wanted to address this offseason. Do you want to guess what they were?
The Twins don’t really have a “hole” at 2B as they do have Eduard Julien and Royce Lewis is going to be playing there as well. Plus you can find some fairly inexpensive middle Infielders on the free agent market.
The Padres have two glaring holes in their lineup, one being LF and the other being 1B/DH (depending on Arraez). I don’t think two teams in need of salary relief match up terribly well in any trade when neutral value isn’t the same as shedding salary
Padres only true hole is Catcher. That is why they are talking to the Twins about Vazquez. They would like to add a MLB veteran to play LF, but they have Ornelas ready if they can’t find one that is a fit. 1B is not a hole for the Padres. It’s a strength. Shildt has said his preferred use of DH is to rotate position players through it to give them a day off and his use of it last year illustrates that well. He has said that they will not have a designated DH in 2025.
Nobody would be giving Vasquez 2/10.
He has been a 63 ops+ hitter for the last 2.5 years.
Playing him actually cost your team games.
Explain Hedges getting $4MM. Your fantasy baseball formulas don’t match real world value. Good catchers are hard to come by. Even passable ones get paid.
Vazquez isn’t a passable one. If he was the article Lin and Hays wrote would not say he has no trade value and that the Twins would either have to eat all his salary in a dump or would have to eat most of his salary and add a good prospect without getting a return.
“ Vazquez isn’t a passable one.”
Yes he is. Fangraphs has scored his defense at a 15.8 and 14.7 last two years
Comparatively speaking Higashioka scored a 9.9 and 6 last two years.
What stupid trade simulator are you using? The articles that this one is quoting says that Vazquez has negative trade value, that he would likely only get a minor league deal if he was a free agent. Try reading the articles you are trying to comment on.
Anyone except you.
It comes down to how much money the Twins are willing to eat to be rid of Vazquez more than getting any real useful return from the Padres. There will be no Vazquez for Cease, or Vazquez for Arraez type trades unless Minnesota is kicking in other useful (to the Padres) players
You got that right. So glad CV is not playing for us anymore playing like he has since being traded to the Astros. What happened to him?
Ok. Going to need someone to explain this to me. The Padres have a payroll that is $100 million higher than the Twins. Anthony says that “San Diego has slashed payroll for two straight years”????? The Padres have increased payroll by $43 million over what it was in 2024 while the Twins have cut their payroll. How are they in “a remarkably similar spot” as the Twins? Are you watching the same sport we are Anthony? Is this opposite world?
The Padres have increased payroll by $43 million over what it was in 2024
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Not for CBT purposes, and that seems to be the target.
The Padres CBT payroll is only up $19.8 million since the season ended. How much did Cease, Profar, Scott, Adam, Hoeing, Peralta, Solano, and Arraez add to their payroll last year. The reason I ask is all of those were added in February or later. As far as I can tell they only have 24 on roster. That will bring that up a bit, too.
Joe, for CBT purposes its $43 million over what it was on this date in 2024, $30 million over the start of 2024 season, and $20 million over the end of the 2024 season. Use whichever you like. Payroll for the Padres is up and they are one of the few teams in baseball for which it is up.
They’re doomed. The Padres drank from the Chargers’ water cooler. The curse of Spanos will continue to strike…
I really don’t see a fit here at all unless the twins are eating the entire deal except league min. If Vázquez was a free agent he may have to sign a minor league deal. He has had a negative war for two straight years. Anyone acquiring him if that continues would actually get worse.
It’s that or the twins were including a player that is actually good to get the padres to eat all or some of his contract.
Also you rarely hear about a Preller trade until it happens or minutes before it does. As the article states talks have stalled. Always a chance that something changes but I’d find a deal between these teams as unlikely.
Neither of these teams seem to want to add payroll. Perhaps both even wanting to shed some payroll. We do know preller tried to sign Vasquez when he was a free agent so I can see why he may have some interest. Problem is Vasquez has declined since then.
When players fall that far, they are difficult to trade. Preller could probably sign a similar player for 2-2.5M, and at that price, Minny might be better off just keeping him.
He’s not good enough to argue over, and his salary is not high enough to move the needle. much.
Vazquez hasn’t played good baseball since he was traded away from Fenway.
Back up catcher…sure but he really has almost zero value. War says he actually has neg value to a team.
That’s the only reason he has any value at all. Which still isn’t much.
I am trying to understand. You are saying you can’t measure a player’s value by the most advanced measurement of a player’s value. Do I have that right?
There are these things called paragraphs. If you want to be taken seriously, use them.
Also, don’t try to say we should ignore advanced statistics. They are considered advanced because they tell us the most possible about a player’s contributions to the team winning games.
You sure are an angry little fella. Did you read the article this one is referencing? It says the Twins approached the Padres.
The Padres were obviously interested because they said ok, you pay his salary ands send us a prospect and we will send you a lower prospect in return. The Twins didn’t like that so no trade was made.
You do realize Yadi Molina hit don’t you? At Vazquez’s age he hit .307 with a 111 OPS+. Vazquez hit .221 with a 60 OPS+. A 51% difference. Yadi has a career .277 BA and 96 OPS+. Vazquez a .253/80. In his 2 years vin Minnesota Vazquez has a .222 BA with a 62 OPS+.
Don’t try to say Vazquez is in any way comparable to Yadi. That is laughable.
Kiddo, you have a serious problem with reading comprehension. I said that he is projected to have a 100 point higher OPS and plays good defense. If you think that means that he is better than Vazquez, then that says all we need to know about Vazquez’s value.
He’s right. You have a serious reading comprehension issue.
Since you can navigate to a stats website, can you also click on the link to read the article by Lin and Hayes?
They say exactly what everyone else other than you on this thread is saying, that Vazquez has no value in trade.
Or instead of reading the articles you can continue to try to say that intangibles are more important than what can be measured. What Vazquez has been terrible at.
You are quoting an interview from 2022 after the Red Sox shipped him out and before he completely stunk for 2+ years with negative WAR production. It was before he played a game for the Twins.
The Twins are trying to dump him now because they don’t want him. Because he is terrible and expensive.
You keep pushing a story that not even those involved are pushing and that is the opposite of what the articles linked to are saying. Why?
Seriously? You are quoting an interview from December of 2022? Prior to him having two straight negative WAR seasons? You do realize that there is a reason that the Twins are willing to pay to get rid of him, right? It’s not because he is good.
This article makes mention of the article in the Athletic for a reason. If you can’t afford $2 per month, maybe you need to rethink your life decisions and spend less time on this website.
You are asking me to violate the terms of my subscription because you can’t afford a couple dollars?
Oh shoot. I just said basically the same thing. Go get him Best.
Suarez, Boston Bateman, Henry Baez and Brandon Valenzuela to Texas for Jonah Heim, Evan Carter and Josh Smith.
If the Twins can get a package involving Vazquez for Cease they need to pull the trigger. Here’s my proposal
Twins:
Cease
Padres:
Raya
Morris
Gonzalez
Vazquez
Then the Twins just need to trade Paddack and a 20-15ish ranked prospect for Mountcastle.
That would be a negative
How would it be a Negative? I would not be shocked if San Diego would not want someone like Keaschall or Rodriguez. This would offer an alternative of multiple major league or close to mlb ready prospects who probably won’t make it here because of other prospects
Cause majority of padres fans are delusional and think 1 year of cease should net them multiple top 100 prospects even though a better pitcher named Corbin Burnes only netted the Orioles a top 50ish prospect in Joey Ortiz and a former top 100 prospect in DL Hall.
Just because he was a former top 100 and lost his spot via service times doesn’t mean he lost that value.
Either way Cease is worth a top 100 guy and someone else. His value isn’t as high as Burnes but it’s close.
He lost value cause he wasn’t the ace or elite bullpen prospect he was pegged to be lmao he was by definition a LOOGY and was used in primarily low and medium leverage situations prior to his trade.
So padres are looking at Luke Keaschall as Joey Ortiz and Simeon Woods Richardson or something for Cease
That is prob about right.
I don’t see the Twins moving Keaschall. I feel this is going to be more of a 4 10-5 ranked organization prospects than a top 100 one.
They aren’t getting Cease for leftovers.
I think you are on the right track by including Raya and Morris. both are pretty close to MLB ready and would add to the Padres depth at starting pitching. Gonzalez would not be a good fit because he is so far away from playing in the majors. Change him out for Keaschall who played a good chunk of 2024 in AA before having TJ surgery on his throwing arm and you might have something. If you had said Emmanuel Rodriguez the Padres would probably have to throw in a prospect from their end.
Twins should take on all of Cease salary and 4.5M of Vazquez. This makes the salary Padres owe less and the Twins can move Paddock’s 7.75M to get back to the salary limit they want. Now it comes down to which prospects the Twins are willing to give away to get the deal done. Shouldn’t be too much since both Vazquez and Cease are FAs next year.
It will be a lot. First Vasquez isn’t worth 5.5m so now you have to add to the cost of cease. Cease will command a deal similar to Burnes last year. Which means a top prospect and more.
Won’t be a lot
The market rate was established by Corbin Burnes last year at top 50 prospect named Joey Ortiz who wasn’t even their best INF prospect and a former top 100 LHP named DL Hall
A top 100 prospect
Equivalent of a former top 100 prospect value
Vasquez and cash to make his deal market rate is reality
It would be a lot if padres took Vasquez entire contract and sent cease back but no. It won’t be a lot under the presumed Vasquez for cease deal.
A top 100 and another person who is basically a top 100 is a lot. Vasquez is just a salary dump, nobody is trading anything for him even at half his price.
That’s not a lot at all.
Especially when that top prospect is 50-100 not 1-49 like Joey Ortiz was
Apparently the padres want him at Jacob stallings Austin Hedges price
But I guess when Brett Sullivan and Martin Maldanado are your options Vasquez is a HOF by comparison
Bring if the padres get the value of two top 100 prospects I’d consider that a lot. A lot meaning his worth.
If the twins want the padres to eat all of Vasquez deal then it will cost even more.
It won’t be hardly anything going back to the Padres. They want to shed salary. Cease and Arraez are both on the block. The Twins want to shed as well but can do that by dumping Paddack and Castro if needed. Trading Vazquez and a prospect will depend on the cash the Twins need to hold back. If the Twins have to eat say 6M that prospect will be a lot lower than if it is 4M.
Vasquez at 4 or 6m is still not worth a thing.
It will be a huge amount. As the articles this one is quoting talk about, Vazquez has negative trade value. If they eat 100% of his salary, the Twins will still have to add a prospect to the deal to give the other team enough value to get a lottery ticket prospect in return.
At the Winter Meetings, the Padres asked the Red Sox for Mayer, Abreu, Fitts, and Gonzalez for Cease. A top 10 overall prospect, a platoon MLB OF, a back of the rotation SP/swingman, and a MLB ready SP prospect They didn’t get it, but it will take something close to that to acquire him without the baggage that Vazquez represents. Add in Vazquez and only eat half his salary and it will take more than that.
Think something that starts with Emmanuel Rodriguez then add Maya and Morris plus another prospect. No matter what, its going to hurt to get Cease and adding Vazquez to the deal without eating his entire salary will make it extremely painful.
I don’t think any of the people arguing with you and SIMM have read the article by Lin and Hayes about the Twins shopping of Vazquez.
The Twins beat writer confirms that moving Vazquez would require eating most or all of his salary and adding a prospect. The Twins balked at eating 100%. The Padres said no deal then. That is where we are at according to the writers this article is referencing.
Obviously, they haven’t. Most people seem to come here and only read the headline before commenting.
Padres want nothing to do with head case Chris Paddack.
Correct. You can’t send Paddack back to the Padres but the Marlins need to spend money so they could be an option. The Twins can take on money in a Cease deal knowing they can move Paddack and Castro if needed to reduce overall Team salary. I just don’t see the current front office to think outside the box enough to make it happen.
The paddack train has left San Diego and is t coming back.
Padres could easily just re-sign Elias Diaz for a quarter of that price and get the same level of production or better.
Padres & AJ Preller just getting started on offseason moves.
Expect AJ Preller & Padres to make some blockbuster deals like:
All Star Closer Robert Suarez (on 3 year contract with opt outs)
RHSP Dylan Cease(Top 5 votes for Cy Young last 4-5 years)
2B/DH Luis Arreaz (3X batting Champion)
Minor league prospects not in the Padres
Top 5+ prospects may also be dealt.
Top International prospects
SS Devries and C Ethan Salas are “untouchable”.
Padres don’t want the Twins trash for Cease and that is what the first 3 you mentioned are.
Vazquez – negative trade value
Castro – below average utility player
Paddack – 5.00 ERA and injuries out the wazoo. Can’t even make the Padres rotation because Randy Vasquez and Matt Waldron are better than he is. Add to that the fact that the Padres would never want him back and that is a no.
Festa – a decent prospect, but a throw in on a trade with some really good pieces in it, not a main piece.
Culpepper – way too far from MLB to have any merit in a trade for the Padres.
You keep trying to say that Vazquez has value when the article in the Athletic by the Twins beat writer says the team acknowledged that he doesn’t. The only discussion has been will the Twins pay all of his salary plus a prospect to get a prospect back or will they only eat most of his contract and get nothing? Why do you continue?
Vasquez has no value, the padres don’t need him. There are tons of neg war catchers in the world.
Elias Diaz is working with Ethan Salas in Arizona. Did the Padres hire him as a coach?
Culpeppers ETA is 2027. mlb.com/milb/prospects/2024/twins/
He spent 2024 in A and A+ and struggled in A+. He will not be in the majors in 2025.
Elias Diaz is a free agent.
You keep quoting an article from before Vazquez played a game with the Twins. Before 2 negative WAR seasons with the Twins. While they were expecting him to be the catcher he was for the Red Sox.
Maybe stop with the insults when you don’t know the facts. Diaz is not under contract with the Padres. His contract was up at the end of the season. He is a free agent.
Salas is an 18-year-old catcher, and it makes more sense for him to be working out with a veteran 34-year-old MLB catcher to learn the ropes than a pitcher.
Best, to answer your question, they both train at the CJ Baseball Academy in Venezuela with Salas’ father and CJ Suarez. I am thinking that because of the political upheaval in Venezuela that they both stayed in the US over the offseason and the Padres are allowing them to work out at their spring training facility in Peoria.
Best, you seemed to have touched on all the things he got wrong.
Captain after reading this mess I don’t even know what to say. Baseballisthebest knows who Diaz and Salas are. He also knows that Diaz is a free agent and that’s what he asked.
We knows Salas has been he because he was at petco when Roki was here.
The other thing to keep in mind is the administration change. Perhaps they were worried about getting back into the country. Didn’t want to be delayed. Especially Diaz who is looking for a job.
I like the idea of bringing Diaz back. He was just starting to get a little playing time with the padres at the end of the season. He would be a step ahead of anyone else they bring in. He should be pretty cheap. I like that more than any of these ideas some are saying Vasquez is worth 5m or so a year.
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It is a good time for the Padres to trade Dylan Cease (RP-S) and Luis Arraez (1B) to the Minnesota Twins for Christian Vasquez (C), Willi Castro (All-Star Utility) Infield/Outfield switch hitter) and Chris Paddock. (RP-S) The Friars already have Jake Cronenworth to play 1B for the next several years. The Friars would be sending $27,.750 million in salary with absorbing $23.9 million in salary, saving the Friars $3.85 million in salary cap and adding 3 players that will improve the Friars on the field product. The Twins on a very tight budget, would solve their problem at first base while slightly upgrading their rotation.
Bring, you were wrong. Read the article in the Athletic.
For the Twins to get Cease it will cost Vazquez, and likely Castro or A Martin, Larnach and likely Festa or Matthews. plus maybe a prospect. The issue I see is San Deigo doesn’t want to take on any money as much as the Twins want to dump as well. Which is why the Padres are even looking at trading Cease and Arraez. If the Twins can get Cease and move Paddock and others to lower salary then the trade may happen. Still think best bet is Vazquez to San Deigo for a top 30 prospect and the Twins eat 2-4M of the contract
Pohlads, the Padres don’t want to take on any money for Vazquez. They don’t want to because he has been horrible for 2 straight seasons. A -0.5 WAR. He has no value in trade.
The Padres are not looking to trade Cease and Arraez. Even this site says only that the Padres have been approached by other teams about trading Cease and Arraez. If the Padres were looking only to dump salary, both of those players would already be gone already, not still Padres 3 weeks before pitchers and catchers report.
The only way that the Twins are getting Cease, is to make a trade that makes the Padres better in 2025. It won’t be 2nd rate prospects. It won’t include 1 WAR utility players or 1 WAR 4th OF. It will be a top prospect or two and a couple of MLB ready pitchers.
How do I know that? There have been multiple reports that followed up on Jon Paul Morosi’s reporting at the MLB Winter Meetings saying what the Padres were looking for and what they had asked for from the Red Sox. Mayer as the headliner of a deal for Cease along with Abreu, Fitts, and Gonzalez. Mayer was a top 10 overall prospect, Abreu a major league starting OF with an outstanding glove, Fitts a back of the rotation starter with 6 years of team control, and Gonzalez a MLB ready SP prospect.
Translate that to the Twins and you are talking about Emmanuel Rodriguez as the headliner plus Festa, plus Raya or Morris, plus another prospect.
Adding Vazquez to a trade for Cease would increase what the Twins would have to give up to make the trade, not make it less, He has negative trade value.
Web- the padres aren’t getting that much back for cease. That’s more than Burnes got a year ago. Perhaps in that reason deal they were asking preller to take back Yoshida. Who knows but he is never getting that much.
So that means he either won’t trade him or he will lower his asking price. Either way it won’t be for leftovers. I think he can get a mid top 100 prospect back and an another piece perhaps like festa. The twins would definitely want Vasquez in the deal. So the question is what does that add to the deal. Does preller do that same type of deal because he still see that has a better spot than now. Idk..my guess is he isn’t willing to eat the Vasquez contract or that deal would be done.
I agree on that the Padres don’t want to eat all of the Vazquez deal and that is the issue as they wanted the Twins to eat money and take a nothing prospect. I personally would do the deal for the nothing prospect if they could get SD to eat 5M. Otherwise, there is no benefit to move Vazquez if it doesn’t free up cash.
Vasquez is so cool, and a proven winner with rings. He may be over paid a little but any team would love to have him in their clubhouse.