Alex Bregman and the Red Sox have been linked together for much of the offseason, and multiple reports have indicated that the Sox have indeed showed some level of interest in Bregman. This interest is apparently in a somewhat limited capacity, however, as the Boston Globe’s Alex Speier, writes that the Sox have been focusing on shorter-term offers with Bregman, with an eye towards signing him to “a deal of no more than four years” in length.
While four years is a pretty big commitment in the broad sense, it is certainly below the expectations that Bregman and his camp set at the start of the offseason. The Astros are known to have made Bregman a six-year, $156MM offer to stay in Houston, but Bregman was reportedly looking to hit the $200MM plateau in his next deal. It remains to be seen if that asking price is still realistic, but as of last week, Bregman was still looking for longer-term offers rather than considering a pivot to a shorter-term pact with opt-outs included.
In the most recent Bregman developments, KPRC 2’s Ari Alexander reported yesterday that Bregman had received at least three offers of five or more years over the course of the offseason, though it isn’t known which teams made those offers or if they’re still on the table. It would appear as though the Astros’ offer is still in play, as even though Houston signed Christian Walker and seemingly installed Isaac Paredes as their new third baseman, bringing back Bregman would see the Astros move Paredes to the keystone and longtime franchise icon Jose Altuve would move from second base to left field.
Against this backdrop, it would seem like the Red Sox are facing an uphill battle in convincing Bregman to sign for a maximum of four years. It can probably be assumed that such a four-year deal carries a high average annual salary and an opt-out clause or two is attached, fitting the standard model of shorter-term contracts signed by other Scott Boras clients. Such a deal would allow Bregman to re-enter free agency perhaps as early as next offseason, when he would aim to have another big platform season under his belt, and he would no longer be attached to a qualifying offer.
However, this scenario would see Bregman returning to the market in advance of his age-32 season, when teams might have even more misgivings about offering him a longer-term contract. And, as Bregman approaches his 31st birthday in March, he must certainly feel like he has already done enough in his outstanding career to merit a long-term commitment. Speculatively speaking, it could be that Bregman is facing a decision between accepting the Astros’ sixth guaranteed year (and the familiarity of staying with the organization), or perhaps taking a five-year deal that offers less long-term security but more money.
A traditional big spender in free agency, the Red Sox have largely shied away from major free agent commitments in recent years. Trevor Story (six-years, $140MM) and Masataka Yoshida (five years, $90MM) are the only free agents to receive three or more guaranteed years from Sox since October 2019, and the lack of result on those contracts may have only further soured ownership on opening the checkbook for lengthy open-market deals. Boston’s biggest contract of any kind since October 2019 was its ten-year, $313.5MM extension with Rafael Devers, which presents another obstacle in the way of a Bregman deal. The Sox have reportedly given some thought to moving Devers off the hot corner and across the diamond to first base, but Devers’ agent pretty firmly shot down that possibility back in November.
Boras said at the start of November that Bregman was open to a position change himself, and a move to second base instead of his longtime third-base spot. Such flexibility would’ve seemingly expanded the number of suitors that might be interested in Bregman, and it was specifically viewed as a possible nod to the chances of Bregman landing in Boston, if Devers was indeed staying put at third base (though Bregman is a much better fielder). Of course, the issue regarding Bregman anywhere in Boston’s infield is the fact that the Red Sox have star infield prospects Kristian Campbell and Marcelo Mayer both knocking on the door of their big league debuts, so the Sox may not want to lock down second base for the forseeable future.
In a pure baseball sense, Bregman’s right-handed bat is an ideal fit for Boston’s lefty-tilted lineup, and a hitter of his caliber is an upgrade to virtually any team. Bregman is also friendly with manager Alex Cora due to their past time together in Houston when Cora was the Astros’ bench coach, and past reports have indicated that Cora and Red Sox president Sam Kennedy are the chief drivers of Boston’s interest in Bregman, while chief baseball officer Craig Breslow perhaps isn’t quite as on board. This split of opinion in management might perhaps explain why the Red Sox haven’t been as aggressive as others in courting Bregman, or offering him even a fifth guaranteed year.
FenwayFanatic
No surprise
Fever Pitch Guy
Fenway – The only one with the Red Sox that is really pushing his signing is BFF Cora. I think this is another classic case of the Red Sox not seriously pursuing a free agent, but keeping themselves “in the mix” in case a big discount falls in their lap. And trying to sell more tickets to casual fans by making them believe they will sign a big name like Bregman.
And for the love of God, can they stop with the “Bregman’s right-handed bat is an ideal fit for Boston’s lefty-tilted lineup”.
Bregman’s got major reverse splits each of the past three years, he has sucked against LHP each of the past 3 years. Expecting him to suddenly turn that around is beyond foolish.
WaitTil2026
Well, Kennedy is taking Cora’s side on this one.
I’m totally fine letting Bregman sign elsewhere. He does NOT make sense for the Red Sox on a 5-6 year deal. Even a 4 year deal might be a stretch.
Franklin Arias broke the MLB Pipeline top 100. Currently playing SS, though I could imagine him shifting to 3B in a couple years. Cespedes is another “shortstop” who isn’t going to last at the position.
Fever Pitch Guy
Wait – Kennedy is the President and CEO, he isn’t as involved in baseball operations as Breslow/Cora are. Kennedy is just doing P.R. as usual, trying to keep fans excited.
BTW – It’s been reported by multiple sources the Sox haven’t made an offer to Bregman yet.
Mayer is also definitely a 3B candidate down the road.
WaitTil2026
I suspect Kennedy is a lot more involved than you think — having a non-baseball person meddling with baseball operations explains a lot of what has happened over the last few years.
Fever Pitch Guy
Wait – Well one of my concerns is that Breslow doesn’t have as much clout in player decisionmaking as he should, so Kennedy meddling (along with Henry) wouldn’t be a surprise. But ultimately the decision should be made by Breslow as long as it falls within the budget he was given.
Dogbone
As a Cubs fan, I wish the Red Sox great success in their pursuit of Bregman. Go get him!
And this off-season again, we see the smoke that Borass blows up there guys gut – seems to have exposed Borass’ b s.
WaitTil2026
Fever, I don’t think they have a set budget, and I don’t think Kennedy is allowing Breslow the control he needs to do the job right. My guess is that Breslow has already spent all that he is permitted, but that Kennedy might make an “exception” for Bregman. Lousy way to run an organization.
Fever Pitch Guy
Wait – So you think no extensions over the next 3 months? I strongly disagree, there will be at least one and probably two with Crochet, Anthony and Campbell being top candidates (Roman will be hard though).
deweybelongsinthehall
Agree Fever on Mayer but if a deal could be made, I’d prefer Arenado despite others not wanting him due to his “decline”.
deweybelongsinthehall
Breslow would have been a fool to not gain more clout than Bloom had and one thing about him is he’s pretty much always the smartest one in the room.
Fever Pitch Guy
dewey – Cora has stated if they acquire Arenado it would be for third base only, so obviously that would be contingent on Devers moving.
I know Cora lies often, but on this I believe him.
Fever Pitch Guy
dewey – Breslow was in the exact same position as Bloom, he had zero experience as the head of baseball ops when he took the job.
So it’s understandable that he would not have much clout while learning on the job.
WaitTil2026
No, I think they’ll find a budget for extensions, but I believe their FA budget is spent.
WaitTil2026
Note that long term extensions don’t impact the actual payroll for 2025 by much. The AAV may count towards the luxury tax, but we are nowhere near that yet. Might as well structure things to utilize that luxury tax space that we haven’t spent.
KingKen
Not sure why you put decline in quotes commenting about Arenado. He’s been in clear decline both offensively and defensively for a few years now, and isn’t likely to reverse course on either.
Pads Fans
Fever, Merloni said that they had made him an offer but were far apart in years.
Pads Fans
Fever, that is a no-brainer. Arenado has no value at 1B and Devers hurts the team by playing 3B. The Red Sox need a 3B now, not a possibility down the road, so waiting for prospects to maybe take over that position in a year or two when you have a good team now is not the smartest move.
Uncle Pedro’s Dancing Kittens
If the FA budget is spent they were certainly deceptive in being in on all of the high dollar free agents. Considering they were supposed to be in on Soto for $700 million, they are not coming close to the all in claim they were making. I was buying into them doing everything needed to be competitive for the playoffs. They may actually be able to do it, but not by getting any of the top free agents. If they don’t make any other moves, I will have very little trust in anything they say in the future.
Fever Pitch Guy
Dog – So true. Notice the Boras players get all the publicity, the players with other agents get virtually none … like Povetta.
Fever Pitch Guy
Pads – Thanks, Loomer I trust.
Fever Pitch Guy
Pads – There’s a lot involved in moving the face of the franchise with that much money remaining on his contract. And other players would be impacted.Gotta look at the big picture.
Fever Pitch Guy
Uncle – It was confirmed Soto was offered 15 years @ $40M. That 2025 money was spent on Buehler, Sandoval, Chapman.
178iq
His greed and agent’s greed will force a short term deal. I prefer he goes to NYY where they desperately need a .260 bat in that infield. I think if he goes to Boston he’ll hit .280 with countless fly outs being hits off the monster.
deweybelongsinthehall
Like he’s had in Houston. That said, his versatility with the glove is what makes him more valuable (but I’d still prefer Arenado).
Fever Pitch Guy
Dewey – Bregman just won a GG. He’s a lot better defensively than Arenado at this point.
Pads Fans
At Fan Fest on the 11th when asked by Lou Merloni Kennedy spoke about several players that would be a “perfect fit” and one of those was Bregman. There is a video of him on NESN talking with Lou Merloni and Tom whatever his last name is..
Fever Pitch Guy
Pads – I believe Sam said it, but I’m guessing it was in response to being asked about Bregman because Kennedy is the only Sox owner who talks now and he wants to excite the fanbase with deception. He is not part of baseball ops.
CalcetinesBlancos
Bregman had to decide what his goal is. If it’s to get every last dollar he should find a one year deal and show that his relative down year was a fluke. If he just wants to sign a long term deal he needs to choose one and get ready for the season.
Fever Pitch Guy
Cal – Pretty sure he wants the most money AND to stay with Houston. No different than Teo w/ LAD.
letitbelowenstein
Henry: See? We tried. Just like with Soto. (puts checkbook back in pocket, walks away whistling)
deweybelongsinthehall
Lol. Like I once did when my parents said they couldn’t afford my birthday present and I found it in the trunk on my way to school. Seriously, I have no problem with putting a line in the sand with Bregman. I also believe they gave up too much for Crochet but will extend him. Hopefully I’m wrong on the first part.
Fever Pitch Guy
Dewey- You don’t hope you’re wrong on Crochet?
If they rush into a 6-figure extension with him and he pulls a Sale/deGrom/Strasburg that would set back the organization in a big way.
Zerbs63
I thought there were at least 5 teams that were offering 5 year deals?
Dorothy_Mantooth
I’m thinking there is no way the Astros 6/$156M is still on the table. If it was, Bregman would jump at that now given what he’s seen on the free agent market to date.
Pads Fans
You are saying that even though there are multiple articles quoting Astros execs saying it is still on the table?
JoeBrady
I’d be very surprised at this point.
1B-Walker
2B-Altuve
3B-Paredes
DH-Alvarez
They won’t add $156M to their CBT to replace one of those players. I’d bet on that.
Fever Pitch Guy
Dottie – If they have no intention of pulling the offer before ST then why would he rush to take it now?
KingKen
I think the Astros offer is still on the table provided they can convince Pressly to waive the no-trade protection and allow himself to be traded somewhere so they can clear the salary and more easily fit Bregman’s dollars into their overall budget. So far there’s been no movement on resolving the Pressly situation.
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
Yep, same old cheap Red Sox
BigRedMachine
Why is a four year offer cheap? I am sure it is for a large sum of money and I understand that after a 10 year deal with Devers and a 6 year $144 with Story they may not want to do a six year deal again with an aging 3b.
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
Because every offer to every free agent is just short. Player wants 5-6 years? Team draws line in the sand at 4. They want the player to assume all the risk when everyone knows if you want to sign a free agent you’re going to have to sacrifice an extra year or two
BigRedMachine
There is truth that players want 5-6 years, fair or not fair that the Red Sox draw a line in the sand at four, I can see that they have been burned by their T. Story deal and may be reluctant. You are right though, not going past four years may mean they don’t get Bregman.
Joemo
BigRed – so just because a team was burned by a bad deal once or twice, they should just stop giving them out? That makes no sense.
Maybe they shouldn’t have spent a ton on Story when they had Xander, and I’m not entirely sure why they went after a LH soft hitting DH who can’t play the field and paid him a ton of money.
They need to focus on adding good players.
KingKen
And if 6 years were so easonable an ask from Bregman he would have been signed by someone already. But every other team sees the same risks the Sox do in giving him a longer deal and aren’t interested in going there. But of course idiot Sox fans will simply cry “they’re being cheap” because that’s all they know what to do recently.
BigRedMachine
No, I agree, it should not stop a competing team from improving and still making long term offers but I would it matters who you make that offer to, especially positionally, if you have a huge need positionally , say you don’t have a SS or a #1 or #2 starter you have to do it but I don’t see a “must have” need for Bregman, you do have Devers and Casas, Bregman is a good player and lengthens that line-up in every way but i think the Sox need a #1 starter who has a history of durability and staying healthy more than they need Bregman.
deweybelongsinthehall
While I’ve been so against ownership recently, I too would not sign Bregman for more than four guaranteed years. Maybe a five year deal with an injury kicker like they did before. Make the fifth year guaranteed only if he plays X number of games in year four. Different. Also have opt outs after years two onward.
deweybelongsinthehall
Joe, X is overpaid. Signing Story in hindsight was stupid but Yoshida was not. The fact that it hasn’t been as successful so far as they hoped, doesn’t change the fact that he was injured last year and is a solid hitter. That said, the majority of the long contracts have not worked out for owners. Free agency is also not good for the fans. I said it two years ago, allow teams to spend more to keep their own players without taxes/penalties. Maybe also instead of just giving small market clubs money, link it to them extending their own players. If they don’t spend, they don’t get.
Fever Pitch Guy
Mango – Yep the Red Sox want what they view as a bargain, always.
Same reason why they haven’t snagged a stud reliever, they will probably sign whatever is left when all the other teams are done shopping.
Lalo says show me
If the short term deal includes opt outs the risk is as much on the team
If bregman has a crap year next year and got, say, 4/110 with opt outs every year, he would likely not opt out next year and the team would be stuck with him
On the other hand, if he has a good year, he’ll test the market again and the original team that signed him to a 4 year deal has to look for a 3b yet again
Fever Pitch Guy
Lalo – And one other negative about Bregman opting out after one year ….. the team that signs him now will be penalized because he’s a QO free agent.
GASoxFan
Dewey, I have to disagree on Yoshida.
The fact is he was and remains a *terrible* signing for Boston and is a huge part of the lineup logjam.
The problems with Yoshida are he is a defensive liability who can’t run on the basepaths. And that has nothing to do with any injury, it’s the lack of tools.
He doesn’t have the pop to be a dedicated DH especially at his salary level.
If healthy he can hit from the left side, for average, maybe, and without much pop. But none of those are things the red sox needed, let alone to have tied up so much payroll in at a time Henry got a little tight on the pursestrings.
Fever Pitch Guy
dewey – What they need is a solid catcher, that should be their top priority. They do not need a 2B except maybe a stopgap for one year. And they do not need a 3B unless they are prepared to move Devers now.
The Sox front office is extremely dysfunctional and isn’t getting better. They should be focusing on their true needs, targeting the best players to fill those needs, and spending the money to fill those needs.
KingKen
Yoshida is very much a continuation of some of the FO meddling from guys like Kennedy and Warner that has hurt the team over the past decade. His signing was along the lines of the Rusney Castillo debacle. The Sox missed out on Jose Abreu when he came out of Cuba, so jumped at giving a big contract to Castillo, hoping he’d be at worst about 80% the player Abreu was. Turned out he was about 20% the player Abreu was. Then when the Sox missed out on Seiya Suzuki they tossed a large contract at Yoshida, hoping for largely the same thing. One of these days someone with the team may finally realize that if you miss out on a player just move on and don’t try to jump at a “poor man’s” version of them. That never works.
GASoxFan
What’s worse about Yoshida is I can almost guarantee there’s a vocal contingent somewhere in the front office/ownership grouping that blames how the recent pursuits of NPB pitching went poorly on Yoshida dissatisfaction with his handling and being stuck in the DH slot because he’s such a bad all-around ballplayer.
It’s not his fault he’s slower than Papi, is an atrocious defender, and lacks the power to hit for impact in the dh slot.
Bloom *knew* what he was, and *knew* boston was stacked with cheap controllable high quality defending OFers knocking on the door who could hit better than Yoshida, but, overpaid him to come to town anyways.
all in the suit that you wear
The Red Sox are avoiding bad deals which is part of being a well-run organization.
Fever Pitch Guy
Ken – That’s a take I haven’t heard before, where is the evidence it was ownership meddling with Yoshida? Everything I’ve seen and heard indicates Bloom was the driving force behind the Yoshida signing. Was he overpaid? Of course, but that’s because Bloom was horrible at valuing players.
Yoshida was highly rated and he was also expected to help lure Yamamoto …. same approach the Dodgers used when Ohtani helped lure Yamamoto.
GASoxFan
Suit – they’re also avoiding good deals in the process. That doesn’t make it a well-run organization, just ome that is so risk averse that they hurt themselves
Fever Pitch Guy
GaSox – Don’t make me defend Bloom! Haha!!
Abreu was acquired only a few months before the Yoshida signing and wasn’t considered a top prospect, Duran was a mess at the time, and Roman was drafted 79th just a few months before the Yoshida signing. There was absolutely no way for Bloom to predict how the OF would play out.
GASoxFan
Fever – nobody, EVER, had Yoshida as even an average defender. The universal book on him was slow, weak arm, couldnt chase down balls in the OF.
You had the IF as a mess defensively already as well.
There was no single positive aspect to Yoshida’s game that fit anything boston needed at the time, unless you wanted to cite to ‘warm body’ let alone at that absurd price-point, that couldn’t be bought at a cheaper price for fewer years without going to him.
The only thought was putting him on the left side, behind *Devers* and the black hole that was SS. Which, makes those two positions even worse because you didn’t have someone backing up the missed plays the IF let through. You were just adding to guaranteed hits on the porous left side defense.
Cubs missed players
Dewey I agree teams that sign their own free agent players should get a discount on the luxury tax calculation.
Ketch
And last year that strategy worked on Bellinger, Snell, Chapman and Montgomery.
Fever Pitch Guy
Cubs – That serves no purpose. Teams that can’t afford to extend their own players will trade them to teams that can afford to extend them. We saw that with Soto, Mookie and so many others.
steldarl87
Come talk to us in four years to tell us how great Tanner Scott’s contract panned out over the life of that contract.
steldarl87
Fever do you have an inside seat that forms the basis for your “dysfunctional” observation?
deweybelongsinthehall
GA. Many knew he couldn’t run but most expected him to at least play a competent left. No one knew when was signed that Duran would suddenly be a stud, that Abreu would be a ROTY candidate or that Anthony would suddenly be the number one prospect in the sport. He was signed to be a lefty who didn’t strike out and would hit .300 with a little pop. If he is healthy, I still believe he can win a batting title with that stroke. So far, I e been proven wrong but let’s see.
Joemo
Red – I agree with all your points here, I don’t think they need to sign Bregman (especially with Mayer, Campbell, and the wealth of MI guys they have) and wish they actually invested in Fried/Burnes/etc. But hey, it is what it is .
deweybelongsinthehall
Fever, I’ve been saying Devers needs to be moved off third for a long time. He got his money and now needs to accept it’s best for the team. As for catcher, I thought we had him but obviously that’s changed. I’d settle for a Leon type who could handle the staff and control the running game if I couldn’t find a true hitter. Wong was fine with the bat but he’s too small and wore down. To me, Wong should be developed to be that super utility player.
Joemo
Dewey – x is overpaid but instead of signing Story they could have used that money to extend Xander at a reasonable price and not let him hit FA.
The Yoshida signing was stupid because of the Sox offer. How often does Scott Boras not try to create a bidding war? You combine that with how left hand heavy the current lineup was and how all the good prospects coming up at the time were LHB and it makes less sense. Go look at the stats for pure DH players. Yoshida is a slightly above average bat but is nowhere near good enough for a full-time DH and his defensive issues were known before he signed.
I agree about free agency, it’s bad for small market teams, and for teams not willing to spend. In theory, teams willing to spend can overpay for guys now and when the contract looks bad they can eat some of the money and trade the player. If the team has success and brings in more money during their tenure, then the team can just rinse and repeat this process.
I kind of like the NBA process where, and this might be incorrect but I like the idea anyways, some players are eligible for bigger contracts with their current team and the contracts pay more to the player than they count for towards the luxury tax. This would give the small market teams a reason to extend their homegrown guys.
deweybelongsinthehall
Cubs, I’ve been saying it at times for the last three or more years when the deal is four or more years. Such benefits both the team and the player. I don’t think the PL would argue against it and agents like Boras’ would be drooling with the prospect of having the Yankees bid against the Mets for Soto knowing the Yankees’ taxes would be less than normal. Such would theoretically have allowed them to use that savings towards Bregman, etc. The only catch I would add is the player has to play the full year before for his old club. If not, it would be interesting in that The Dodgers or Mets for example could swing a trade for Guerrero at the deadline even if they don’t need him immediately. Why? Just to gain that tax advantage for the following free agency period.
Fever Pitch Guy
dewey – Great post! There’s no question in my mind if Yoshida can just stay physically healthy and strong for a full season, he could be a batting champion.
His defense is below average, but not a big deal playing LF at Fenway.
Who cares about speed? Was Manny or Ortiz or a bunch of others fast? Nobody expected Yoshida to be Ichiro.
deweybelongsinthehall
Fever, nothing wrong with that if it’s implemented with other rules like an otherwise hard cap/floor. Theoretically, it will improve the return going to the trading team as well
Fever Pitch Guy
Dewey – Last year Jansen and Wong were statistically two of the three worst catchers in MLB.
I’d go all out to acquire Raleigh, he would be perfect for the Sox.
foppert3
Bit of fan experience here with the short term opt out. The risk is minimised.
Rodon. Got a great year out of him. He moved on. They seemed content with replacing him. No biggie. All square.
Snell didn’t work out. Crushed us early with poor performance and then pitched himself to a big contract elsewhere when it was too late for the team. No good but it was a short term burn of $30m.
Stripling was bad. Had to opt in. Got traded before he went around again. Bad but not crippling. Short term burn of 12m or so.
Conforto. Average. Averageness had him opting in and averageness has him moving on to a 1 year contract that is below, but in the range of what the Giants paid him. Not great but not overly detrimental.
Chapman. Impressed on and off the field. One year in and they liked him and he liked them. Both committed long term. Awesome.
Some good, some bad, some average but nothing crushing. The FO just has to put the work in on replacing guys or getting them back.
Pads Fans
Red Sox lost Betts, Bogaerts, and several free agents because they drew a line in the sand on contract length.
They have added or extended several players because they would sign for that “magic” number of years the Red Sox drew in the sand like Story, Yoshida, and Bello that have not worked out well.
Its time to rethink that number of years they are willing to go on contracts.
One run to the WS is worth $150 million the way the playoffs are set up today, a little more if the team comes from a WC spot. Get the guy that can get you closer to that goal and being in the playoffs each year early in the deal will pay for those down years at the end of the contract.
Pads Fans
Devers hurts the team every game he is still playing 3B. He can hit. There is no argument against that. What he can’t do is play defense. He would have had a 3.9 WAR at DH in 2024 and the positional adjustment is huge between DH and 3B. That is how bad his defense was.
Adding Bregman puts a 4+ WAR at 3B with a guy that can play defense and increases the production at DH by 2+ WAR. The team is better.
Remember, Bregman had a 4.1 WAR last season, better than Devers 3.7 WAR, and that is considered a down year for him. He was better than Devers at 3B in a down year. Devers would have had a higher WAR at DH than 3B. This all clicking for you?
Pay the man. Go win the East.
Pads Fans
Signing Yoshida was moronic at best. A guy who had a history of playing bad defense and a large platoon split signed for 5 years and stuck in the OF in Fenway. What could go wrong? 2 seasons of 1.4 WAR is what.
Now he injured his throwing shoulder and had to have labrum surgery, an injury many players never recover fully from, and they are saying he will “play lots of games in the outfield”. Talk about doubling down on stupidity.
Go through contracts of 6+ years on Cots Baseball Contracts. Then look at the value of WAR for free agents. Then tell us how many of them worked out. Its over 60%. If they didn’t work out for the team more often than not then the billionaires and the Ivy League people they have running both baseball ops and the front office would not keep doing those deals.
Pads Fans
GASox. Bingo!
Pads Fans
GASox, I don’t think the decision to sign Yoshida came from Bloom.
Pads Fans
All, Well run organizations are in the playoffs 3 of 5 years, not in last place 3 of 5 years.
TB Sox NY
Do you think he has no power or a bad shoulder led to his lack of power?
all in the suit that you wear
….and the Red Sox fired the guy who led them to the 3 last place finishes (Bloom).
foppert3
A 60% success rate is not enough for many. It’s why they don’t do it. They can’t afford to cover a 40% chance of failure.
ffrhb14Sox
If you never sign a free agent you can totally avoid all risk…that’s not good management. The best management knows when they need to take a risk and when they don’t. With the talent in waiting, they didn’t need to take a risk on Story but did and got burned. Bergman also feels like a nice to have, not a need to have. They should be trading Abreu, Yoshida, and some mid prospects to get pitching at this point.
GASoxFan
Yoshida has always historically lacked power in his swing. It wasn’t the labrum issue sapping it.
It’s like ichiro except without the speed, baserunning instincts or defense/fielding ability.
He has bat to ball skills, but, not much else in his favor.
Uncle Pedro’s Dancing Kittens
If they really did make a $700 million offer to Soto, 6 years and under $200 million does not seem nearly as high risk. Not that Bregman is in the same league as Soto based on age and offensive ability, but for a team that is supposedly all in to make the playoffs they are getting outspent by most of the other teams who promised their fans they would make a big splash.
cttigersfan
I don’t agree that the Red Sox are being cheap, they’re being smart just like the Tigers, Cubs, Jays because none of them want to give Bregman a long term contract.
Sad.Sox 3
The Astros have never pulled their offer off the table. The Tigers, Sox, Cubs are angling for 2nd place in case the Astros can’t trade Pressly or free up a few bucks to make sure their offer is solvent.
The comments here seem to hit on the salient points:
1) the Sox need a talent infusion/upgrade
2) getting a 3B is a square peg for a round hole for 2025
3) you can’t never again stretch an offer out of your comfort zone to a FA if you want to get a star player (not that I think Bregman is that guy)
Here’s my two cents:
Lets keep our powder dry, just in case Vladdy isn’t pulling our chain(I think he is) and it’s clear that the POBO whether it’s Breslow or Bloom, or whomever, isn’t running baseball operations, it’s ownership and Kennedy
Kyle 12
The Sox are getting a talent infusion/upgrade with the likes of Roman Anthony, Kristian Campbell and Marcelo Mayer. Why would they give blank check to a significantly more expensive option who’s clearly on the downswing of his career who doesn’t fit their needs?
deweybelongsinthehall
Sad, of course Vlade is using the Sox with his mouth as leverage. Only two cities for him. If not Toronto, it will be New York.
Fever Pitch Guy
Sad – I don’t think Vlad is a good fit. I believe in spending to fill needs, if Casas returns to 2023 form then he and Devers should cover 1B/DH for years to come.
Sad.Sox 3
FPG – I don’t believe that you can allow a player that’s 25yo and at the peak of his career just explore free agency without kicking the tires. He’s saying lots of nice things about the Sox (Papi and Pedro connections). I think he’s going to the Mets, but you have to at least be in the conversation.
Now about fit. The Jays are saying that if they don’t sign a 3B this off season that Vladdy could return to his original position and play 3rd. For everyone who wants/expects Devers to become full time DH, this is the ULTIMATE fit. I don’t want Bregman, he’s not a fit.
Going forward an infield of Casas, Campbell, Mayer and Guerrero is pretty enticing.
The game is increasing played by players who are young and play on athletic ability alone. The art of being a baseball player is going the way of the dinosaur (unfortunately in my opinion). Successful teams will follow a dual track of homegrown re cheap talent, and young stars, who are expensive.
It’s time for everyone to let the Story signing go and admit that you need to spend money to make money (so to speak), and perhaps sign a contract that you know may be underwater at the end of it.
We need a right handed power bat, and someone has decided that 3/$80ish is too much for Pete Alonso, but couldn’t see their way to sign Profar.
This idea that having a third of your 26 man roster on one year deals makes you fiscally responsible is idiotic. Maybe the new CBA might bail owners out, and maybe that’s the strategy, but prices aren’t going down….
Devers had Wong behind him most of last year, imagine if he had a real power threat behind him and he actually didn’t have to swing at bad pitches?
This is a long winded way of saying, I don’t have the answers, but, I am unwilling to allow one of the riches teams in the game to tell its fans that mediocrity equals fiscal responsibility and piecing together just enough each year to say “we tried” is the surest way to make me a fan of whatever team Dave Dombrowski works for!
Kyle 12
Exactly. I want $35/hour + full benny’s to flip burgers. I’m just waiting on all the cheap restaurants to cave and pay me what I think I’m due.
deweybelongsinthehall
Kyle, would you settle for $25? That’s what I was paying for help in my home. in addition to the burger flipping though, you would have to clean the kitchen and the bathroom.
Fever Pitch Guy
Kyle – I’d love to see Bregman sit out the season if he doesn’t get what he wants. Maybe his mom has room in her basement?
Poolhalljunkies
Have you even considered they dont need him and only want a deal on thier terms? If he doesnt want thier offer fine he can move on and the sox dont care and have lost nothing..if he takes it grear for the sox…its really that simple imo
all in the suit that you wear
Every situation is different. In this case, Bregman is 31 and may be in decline. I don’t really want him, but I wouldn’t be too upset to get him on a 2 or 3 year deal.
Rsox
Honestly though, they have a 3B and middle Infielders to spare. Bregman only makes sense if they have a taker for Yoshida and Devers is amicable to being a DH. If not than its spending on unnecessary position while likely creating clubhouse issues that don’t need to be there
JoeBrady
Bergman makes no sense, imo. We have someone at every position. The only question marks we have is at 2nd and SS, and we have Grissom and Campbell looking at 2nd, and Story and Mayer looking at SS.
Bregman is a better glove and a better fit. But basically, he pushes Yoshida out of the lineup, or better, off the team. It wouldn’t break my heart to see us sign him at maybe $125M/5, but I don’t see position players as our biggest need over the next 5 years.
Fever Pitch Guy
Rsox – Voice of reason.
Giving up on Grissom now would make the Sale trade an epic disaster.
aggee10
So not wanting to give a 30 yr old player on the decline a long term contract is cheap?… Ok. Lol
mad1
Bregman only interested in Red Sox on long term deal
Troutahni
Truly Well Written! Be careful of the Athletic trying to sign you to a new contract, Mark Polishuk. Grammar and vocabulary? Top Notch!
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Mark “Passive Voice (Consider Revising)” Polishuk strikes again.
DroppedThirdStrike
I think Bergman’s problem is that he profiles more as a good, dependable player on both sides of the ball looking for a contract that will be pay him for all of his decline years, but doesn’t come with the upside of someone who can maybe put up a couple spectacular years to offset some of that decline.
Fever Pitch Guy
Dropped – Very well said! He’s still on the market because he’s not as valuable as he thinks, that’s the bottom line.
danumd87 2
Exactly. I think teams are concerned that given his age and recent performance that there’s no upside to a deal like the Astros have offered (or better). If you only see risk and loss at the end of the tunnel then it’s a bad contract and not worth it for the team. Bergman at 6/150 numbers is just a bad idea for any team.
seamaholic 2
Good fit. Devers’ agent is posturing. He’s got his bag and knows he’s gonna have to move soon. Casas can and should be moved for pitching. Sox do this and I have no problem calling them co-favorites in the AL with the Yankees.
SJKinMD
They should absolutely not trade Casas to make room for Bregman.
MLB-1971
SJK – agreed! I would rather have Casas bat in the lineup than Bregman! Casas is under team control for another 4 years at league minimum then arbitration even if he is not extended.
deweybelongsinthehall
MLB, it depends on the return. I also love what I saw in Fitts. Such was a very small sample size but is it possible that he’s the young pitcher they’re trying to trade for and don’t realize they already have “their man”? The only reasons to trade Casas are will you replace him with a better defender who also balances out your lefty lineup better, does the return provide a better team fit and/or do you feel his rib injury will limit his future play? Nothing I’ve read suggests the latter.
Pads Fans
They absolutely should not trade Casas. Period.
They absolutely should trade Yoshida to make room for Devers at DH which makes room for Bregman at 3B.
Bregman is better than Devers.
2024: Bregman – 4.1 WAR Devers – 3.7 WAR
Last 3 seasons: Bregman 13.6 WAR Devers 11.6 WAR
Bregman has even been more durable the last 3 seasons.
Devers is making $31.3 million AAV and his defense is so bad that his WAR would go up at DH. .
Fever Pitch Guy
Pads – In your knee-jerk scenario the Sox would be trading Yoshida at a ridiculously worst time, which means eating nearly $56M of his contract. Does that really sound logical to you? Do you think $56M is peanuts to the Red Sox? And then watching him hit .300 for another team when he’s finally healthy? Hope you don’t invest in the stock market.
Paying Bregman $30M annually who you don’t need, paying Yoshida to play elsewhere, and paying Devers $29M annually to DH. Dear God you have no concept of the value of money! Haha
Goose
And now we know why the Red Sox don’t sign anyone. Bregman will sign somewhere else and the Red Sox will say they tried, again.
Bregman just turned 30. You would think they would go to 5 years and be competitive with the other offers he has been getting, at a minimium. Offer 5 with a vesting option on the 6th and see if that gets it done. It isn’t like a contract that is carrying him into his late 30’s/early 40’s.
KingKen
No, Bregman will be 31 in March. He didn’t “just turn 30” at all. And with the Sox competitive window just opening with all the young talent just breaking in or on the verge those later years are as important as the next couple are to their consideration. Locking into operatives lean years from Bregman as some of these younger guys are getting to their arb years and costing more will tie the Sox hands for making impact moves then. But it’s far easier to simply cry “cheap” and not understand all that.
danumd87 2
He’s truly a terrible fit for the Sox given the guys on their way to the bigs. Paying bregman big money to block your prospects while the big money player enters his decline is a way to guarantee organizational futility.
KingKen
Exactly. I’d rather just go into ST with the team as currently constructed and see a spirited competition between Grissom and Campbell to win the starting 2B job.
deweybelongsinthehall
You’re expecting all the prospects to be like Rice and Lynn or Ellabury and Predroia. Bregman or Arenado could be that missing piece for 25 or 26. Deals need to be paid based on expected performance. Pay less in the later years.
Goose
Why do you have multiple accounts coming from the same IP?
OilCanLloyd
He turns 31 in March. I see why clubs are hesitant on longer guaranteed money. He’d be wise to see if Houston will still take him at 6/156.
Houston would be wise to not do that deal.
stymeedone
According to what’s written, while the Astros have offered six years, the five year offers are for more money. Unless he’s completely done at the end of five years, any money on a new contract would be even more. Seems like a five year is the way to go.
Still, someone’s definitely blowing smoke. If the Astros have offered six, than why would Boston think a 4 would even be an option? If Devers isn’t moving off 3B, than there is no shortage of players for positions in the Boston IF (Though he does need to be moved off 3B). It wouldn’t surprise me if Boras simply asked Houston to say the deal for six was still on the table to try to restart talks with viable teams, as a favor for past service. Not really believing any of it.
Now can we get back to some Alonso rumors?
Pads Fans
Using 4.1 WAR as the baseline and adjusting for average MLB decline for their age 31 to 36 seasons, Bregman would provide $182-184 million in value at the current value of WAR in FA. That is a substantial surplus value on a 6/156 deal.
That does not take into account that player salaries will go up and in 5 years the value of WAR in FA will be higher.
A single run to the WS, even without winning, would pay the entire contract. 3 playoff appearances in 6 seasons, even without making it to the WS, would pay the entire contract.
If that is all it would take to sign him, every team with a need at 3B should be in the bidding. Considering his consistency and durability, he has played the most games at 3B in MLB over last 3 seasons, that is about as much of a sure thing as you can get which is why the Astros offered that.
That he is not signed yet is a clear indication that he wanted more than 6/156.
Lankster19
Just take Houston’s offer Bregman. It’s a solid deal so we can all move on
Birdie man
Thought he had “multiple 5 year offers”.
HalosHeavenJJ
That would be an odd defensive alignment in Houston.
Bregman at third moving Devers to first is a solid defensive upgrade.
deweybelongsinthehall
Devers to DH is the solid upgrade. He’s to my knowledge never played the position
stymeedone
Just moving Devers off 3B is a solid defensive upgrade. Play anyone else at 3B.
Payne Train
Cheater
Joemo
Why splurge in Bregman when there are so many answers to the infield question. They should have splurged in adding established SP.
I am 100% ok with not adding Bregman.
bcjd
Four years, $120m, with player options for years five and six valued at $18mm per year. That makes him tradable if he opts in, but also lets him opt out and seek a bigger payday. It’s also decent guaranteed money for all six years. $156mm if he doesn’t opt out.
rsoxbob
Glad to hear of discipline by Sox on this. Rather see the youngsters given a chance at 2nd base and leave our corner infielders alone to rake in this lineup.
ROCKY07
Yeh….can’t wait to see Devers throw the ball into the right field stands…some defense…but he makes which I do agree with…but a liability defensively and Casas isn’t exactly Gold Glove either and don’t think you can put him into the “raking” catagory.
johncoltrane
Is it me
Or are the redsox & bluejays always “interested” in every player
But never actually sign anyone
Yanks4life22
Blue Jays are making big offers left and right though. Players are just turning them down. I guess they don’t want to play in Toronto? Tax rate? State of the country? Canadian economy? I dunno but it seems like a stigma bc they are offering some serious cash.
ROCKY07
And they both always want the player to change positions while trying to improve offensively/defensively…..
MLB-1971
Writers throwing $hit on the internet for clicks and compensation. Most of the articles I see are team X should trade for, team Y sign so-n-so, team Z interested in with NO credibility source. Teams ‘check in’ on everyone even if they are not interested to gage industry prices of other players…. Most of the offseason articles and post are BS.
JoeBrady
But never actually sign anyone
========================
The BJs acquired Gimenez, Hoffman and Santander.
The RS acquired Crocket, Chapman and Buehler.
So aren’t going to acquire every player that they are interested in.
Bobby smac9
shockah
Ducey
Same old Boras.
Ignore fair offer with current team. Check
Drag free agency out until late February. Check
Drop all kinds of rumours to try to establish a stronger market for his player. Check
Actually get a good contract for his client. TBD
SJKinMD
Bregman might make sense if they actually had a hole to fill at 2b or 3B. But they don’t. Devers is staying at 3B for the foreseeable future and Campbell (or Grissom) will be at 2b – and will probably outperform Bregman over the next several years. If Astros offer is still on the table he should take it.
Fever Pitch Guy
SJ – Exactly, and if Mayer gets promoted and shines then Story could move to 2B as well.
deweybelongsinthehall
I’d love that Fever. Mayer being healthy takes the SS job and if Story is healthy, he’s as good defensively as anyone at second.
steldarl87
You guys have tremendous confidence that Campbell and Grissom will perform at a high level from the day their cleats hit the dirt. Having watched Jackson Holliday scuffle last year, how can you be so sure?
Fever Pitch Guy
stel – Speaking just for myself, my position is at least ONE OF Grissom, Campbell and Mayer should be able to play middle infield fulltime with the Red Sox. That’s why I don’t feel the need to sign Bregman. And worse comes to worse, Story/Rafaela covers middle infield.
Trust me, I’m not usually one to be against signing big names.
Pads Fans
By the averages just 1 of 5 top prospects like those will turn out to be a MLB average player. Just one. Red Sox fans are acting like all 3 of those you mentioned will be All Stars like Bregman. An average MLB player is what Rafaela has turned out to be. An average MLB player is what Casas has turned out to be. Temper your enthusiasm with a little reality. Not all or even most of the Red Sox top prospects will turn out to be average, let alone an All Star level player like Bregman.
ffrhb14Sox
A little early to declare what Rafaela or Casas will be. Bergman isn’t a need, why overpay for him instead of taking a chance on the young guys and keeping money open for actual needs?
stymeedone
I thought Moncada was a pretty good example as well. Prospects are a hope.
letitbelowenstein
Grissom = Bob Heise or Stan Papi. One of Boston’s worst trades ever.
jackbee
Grissom is a lost cause for consistant MLB play on offence – very poor – and defence – adequate at best. Despie great AAAv in 2023, Campbell may flame out in 1st month MLB Red Sox and would be sent back to AAA. Good point steldar how Jackson flamed out with Orioles after call up .189 BA in 60 games.
Give Bregman his 4 years Red Sox WITH 4TH YEAR TEAM OPTION. He will rake offensively with Green Monster, play 2nd base and take AB’s vs. LH stasrting piyching over Yoshida.
Also in what MLB world id 12 errors in 1138 inninings in 2024 makes Devers a poor fielder so shake your head to clear cobwebs and see how solid Devers is defensively. Bregman just 10 errors at same position as Devers and won 1st Golden Glove in 2024.
Bregnan 2B and DH for a few years and much needed RH bat in lineuo perfect fix for Red Sox. – go get A.B.
wwfinn
While Devers has shown some occasional ability to turn a nice play defensively it’s baseless to call him solid. He averages 17 errors per season – 19 as recently as 2023 – with a .944 career fielding percentage. That currently ranks 201 among career third basemen. Even Bill Madlock was a better defender and he at least won some batting titles. Bregman is far and away the better defender. If the Sox sign him (which I doubt) and they’re serious about improving defensively then he will play 3rd and Devers will DH – because they’re paying him for his bat, not his glove.
JoeBrady
No one in history has ever said that every prospect is a lock to succeed. Of course they could fail. You know who else could fail? Bregman.
The worst mistakes in BB are always the ones that assume players don’t age.
Pads Fans
Devers would have had a higher WAR, the value he provides for the team in terms of contributing to wins, at DH than at 3B in 2024. Same goes for 2023 and 2022.
Bregman is better than Devers. Even in a down year for him Bregman was 10% better than Devers.
Bregman will be cheaper than Devers.
If Devers stays at 3B and Yoshida is on the team at all clogging up the roster, the Red Sox can count on playing 3rd fiddle in the East.
thedappergent
Resigning with Houston pays off much bigger dividends in the long run, especially if the known high-water offer is still on the table. Outside of Houston, he still has to deal with the stigma of the sign-stealing, he’s still a very good player overall while not elite, and frankly, it’s a “what have you done for me lately?” business – his 2018-19 seasons don’t count.
Nominally he has as good of a chance as anyone to produce at high level in his decline phase. If he’s still performing in years 4, 5, 6, the Stros will extend him generously.
He gets to stay a bigger part of the Golden Era than Correa and Springer even though they were better players overall.
swanhenge
Ok, so if Boston is maxed at 4 years, who are the FIVE other teams w 5 year offers? Such bs reporting.
And besides that point, I think 4 years is about right for Bregman. He should sign.
cpdpoet
As an (AL) Redsox fan from the ’70’s Fisk/Burelson/Remy/Lynn/Scott days…and well …Yaz….
Would a 4 / 120 deal work? Caveat, asking as a Phillies fan…but went to Ted Williams baseball camp in Lakeville Mass for 4 summers.
KingKen
$30M per year seems a bit high for what Bregman brings to the table. His current team who knows him best doesn’t even value him at that price, given their 6/$156 offer.
cpdpoet
Sure I get that, but his expectations outpaced the market I guess.
Would a Redsox fan be ok w/ a 4/120 is my Q…
As a Phillies fan w/ Bohm (2yrs) and Miller in the pipeline I’d say no.
Pads Fans
If he repeated 2024, what is considered a down season for him, in 2025 and then began the 7% decline per season that is typical of players after their age 31 season Bregman would provide $133 million in value to the team that signed him to that 4/120 deal.
For the Red Sox you would add in the additional value of being able to move Devers off 3B and you should be able to add another $10-12 million to that value of signing Bregman.
EnriqueRomo
Bregman with the Sawks make that lineup wicked hahd.
Bosox2013
I personally don’t think Bregman makes sense in the long term but his Fenway numbers are incredible and his clubhouse presence would probably help a young team moving forward. That said they should just pony up the dough. 4 years/152 million with 2 additional performance based vesting options.
KingKen
$38M per year for Bregman? You’re nuts.
t0bIe1CaN0bI
I’d love to see a pie chart featuring the following slices:
1) ego
2) boras
3) what he secretly thinks he’s worth
RobblyDobs
If the Sox want a short term 3B they should trade for Arenado. Why spend 4/120 on very good when you can get good for 3/50 and a 10-15 prospect, in all probability (as the Cards and Arenado get increasingly keen to deal)?
Win-win.
Pads Fans
Moving Devers to DH would improve their WAR total by a win or more over the 2 seasons left on Arenado’s deal.
Then add the 4-5 WAR total Arenado would bring for those two seasons and now the Red Sox are up 5-6 wins without any difference in performance by those two players.
They would be losing 2.8 WAR over those two seasons from not playing Yoshida, but that is replaceable far more easily. Trade Yoshida + half his remaining salary so they get something in return and then play some of those young guys like Anthony in the OF instead.
Sagacity
Pads – Great thinking. I believe the actual WINS gained by moving Devers to DH and using Arenado would be closer to 10!!!
Take over 50 misplays and replace it with approximately 15 or less than 1/3 the misplays, then take the differential between Arenado’s offense and Yoshida’s!!! It’s a very big number when you add them together. Too bad Breslow is a rookie and has no clue like Cora as manager. It’s truly the blind leading the blind for the Red Sox players.
All their issues are easily fixed but ownership has no motivation as they keep raking in the money and moving it to other areas of the conglomerate.
I Want to Believe
As a Tigers fan, part of me wants to see Boston sign Bregman so that Detroit isn’t stuck with him for 7 years. Bregman would definitely make Detroit better, but Matt Vierling is fairly competent at 3B and he costs league minimum. It seems doubtful that Chris Illitch is going to dip into the Little Caesars fund, so Scott Harris has to pick his spots or risk handicapping the roster long term. Even tho Detroit can definitely afford Bregman right now, he’s probably not the ideal basket to throw all your eggs in.
LouWhitakerHOF
The Tigers have one of the lower payrolls in baseball. I don’t think they would be dipping into the Little Caesar’s Fund. Their attendance was really good and with the payroll on the low end they are still doing really well. Bregman hits around .260 with low 20s homers. I think those numbers drop a bit at Comerica. I would not overpay for the guy as he enters his mid 30s years. Great comment about Matt Veirling.
stymeedone
Given the current roster, Kreidler is probably their best defensive 3B, but the bat is a huge question mark. Its looking like a Vierling/Jung platoon, but again, the defense is only so-so. Both would be better fits at other positions. Vierling is an incredible OF, so playing him at 3B isn’t maximizing his value. Jung just adds one too many LH hitters to the lineup to be a full time option. To think that a few years ago the Tigers lacked LH bats. If Guerrero and Devers can get by at 3B, maybe giving Torkelson another shot couldn’t hurt. I’d take his 2023 numbers all day.
kodion
I wonder how much the advice to slow-play this is costing/going to cost Bregman?
dajuba
Bregman will sign with the Red Sox for 3yrs $90m with a $10m signing bonus, opt outs after year 1 & 2 and open the season as the 2B.
Poolhalljunkies
No he wont..allowing a player with a draft pick attached to opt out after 1 year is a terrible deal for any team signing him
Thec’s
Let’s face it, the Sox are being cheap again! John Henry has got to sell the team to a full time owner! Don’t believe the hype and quit buying the tickets!
Poolhalljunkies
They are only being cheap if you assume they need the player…i would argue they are being wise in this case as locking up this guy for 5 or 6 years is a total waste based on his apparent decline…hopefully henry stays the course and isnt swayed by people thinking hes cheap..he didnt become a billionaire by making too many crappy deals..and the sox already have several..no need to compound a problem by giving in to a player you dont need
Sagacity
Pool – No offense but he’s made nothing but crappy deals since he fired Dombrowski. The count is well over a dozen so I think your theory has a big hole in it.
He has financial advisors that make him smarter but his baseball folks have fallen on the faces since Bloom was hired.
Thec is spot on correct and you are terribly wrong.
Poolhalljunkies
Sag…in this case are you suggesting signing bregman to a 5+ year contract exceeding what houston has alledgedly offered is a smart move for this particular sox team? Baseball wise or financially?
retsubllab
The Red Sox need another Refsnyder but of the inf/1b/c variety. Start integrating the young guys into the lineup, but on those days when the opponent is starting a left hander, they need a couple RH bats to plug in. Please no band aid Bregman or Alonso signing.
Ketch
Like Sabol?
tigerdoc616
Bregman isn’t going to get the $2ooM he allegedly is asking. My guess is that both the Tigers and Red Sox have been offering shorter term deals. IF Houston’s offer of 6yrs and $156M is still on the table, then I think he’ll eventually end up signing there. Houston might sweeten the pot a bit and while they will probably deal Pressly to help free up some room, they will have to exceed the CBT this year to do it. But they have plenty of money coming off the books after this season and should be able to dip below the CBT next year. IF I were Scott Harris, I’d be more than willing to help them out. Go get Pressly and Parades (they won’t need him if they do sign Bregman) in exchange for one of their young controllable pitchers not named Jobe.
LouWhitakerHOF
I think if the Astros 6Y deal for $156M was still on the table he would probably be excepting it right now. I don’t believe that he has several 5 and 6 year deals on the table when these ‘interested teams’ are talking about shorter term deals. The original asking price of $200M for a player in his 30s years that will bat around .260 and hit low 20s homers is way too much even if he is a gold glove.
t0bIe1CaN0bI
Or let’s get Flaherty and Alonzo for 2-3 yrs.
Sagacity
toble – I like the out of the box thinking. Alonzo can play 3B. He obviously wouldn’t be as bad as Devers so that’s a plus. His power is a huge plus and Casas stays put which is another huge plus. Add to that another excellent starting pitcher and it makes perfect sense and it would be fun to watch Alonzo rocket the HRs.
Great job with coming up with that idea!!
t0bIe1CaN0bI
Thank you Saga.. I goofed though. I meant it from a Tigers perspective. My bad.
RickEO
Everyone think’s Redsox are being cheap. Absolutely not. Smart and wise. Organization haven’t won 20% of world series by fluke. Cmon people. Long contracts hamstring teams. Arenado. Sox are playing chess. They will be dominate next 8 years
dasit
they finished last in 2022, last in 2023 and 3rd in 2024. bloom oversaw a “tank-lite” strategy as directed by ownership. we’ll see if it pays off but those lost seasons were no fun for their fan base
JoeBrady
.508 over the past 4 seasons with one trip to the ACLS. It’s not as bad as you think.
Pads Fans
3 of the last 5 seasons the Red Sox have been in last place in the East.
all in the suit that you wear
Yes and the 3 last place finishes were under Chaim Bloom who was fired. Breslow took over for Bloom 15 months ago. Time will tell how good he does, but I like what is he is doing so far.
Pads Fans
You like 3rd place and mediocre?
all in the suit that you wear
I like being fair-minded. Breslow took over a team that finished in last place in 2023. What did you expect in 2024? They should show improvement each year and going from last place to third place is certainly an improvement. Breslow can’t turn a whole organization around in one season.
dasit
bloom did exactly what he was asked to do: rebuild the farm and set the red sox up to succeed at a lower payroll level. bloom was never going to be the guy to see it through because that’s not his skill set but the wave of prospects knocking on the door is a pretty impressive legacy. breslow is a smart guy but he’s not who i would have picked to maximize the coming window. this is the stage where you need a dombrowski-type. nevertheless 2025-2028 could be really fun for red sox fans
all in the suit that you wear
dasit: Agreed except I think Breslow will do fine. He is emphasizing pitching and they have been drafting well and having good international signings. So, I think the future is bright. Breslow has been pretty disciplined with free agent signings which I like. I think avoiding bad deals is just as important as getting good deals. I don’t think they are set on a lower payroll. I think they will likely spend more as needed when they have a better team when their younger prospects are up on the Sox.
Sagacity
All – Why? He hasn’t fired Cora. He hasn’t moved Devers to DH and those are the two most critical and decisive actions he could take to improve the number of wins per year.
Sagacity
All – Is the place they finished have more to do with the failures of the TOR and TB franchises than the success of the Boston franchise? Be fair, you know they tailed off we didn’t get better.
Sagacity
dasit – Wow it’s like you are at the circus in the room with all the mirrors that distort your vision!!! WOW!!
Bloom crushed a world championship roster by immediately giving away the franchise player so Devers could pretend he was the best player on the team, but he wasn’t in the top 3.
Bloom took a franchise that had won 3 unprecedented Division Titles from the Yankees and blew it up like a henchman. There are NO redeeming values when it comes to Bloom.
The STAR prospects the Red Sox have graduated are Duran, Houck and Casas. Three Dombrowski picks that came after winning the division each year so much lower picks with much better results than Bloom will ever have with his early round picks. Breslow chose to throw most of the good choices by Bloom to the CWS for two years of a pitcher who had never started prior to 2024. So you have dumb and dumber taking the Red Sox in the losing position they have been in since 2020.
Breslow, not a smart guy, a blooming idiot is a better description based on his actions so far. You always need a Dombrowski type because he’s the lone quality GM since Theo.
You also need owners who aren’t racist. The hiring of an idiot cheater to be more diverse was incredibly stupid. The guy is an embarrassment to baseball for what he did and on top of that he can’t manage his way out of a paper bag. He’s untrustworthy, sets a horrible example for kids associated with the Red Sox and he continues to lie when he talks to the media. There is no positive attribute associated with Cora. He’s scum from the bottom of the barrel.
The destruction of the Red Sox will probably be a best seller in a few years describing how a powerful dynasty of a team was dismantled for no apparent reason by three totally unqualified people who got their jobs for the wrong reasons.
There is no spinning what happened to the the Red Sox into a positive. It’s a travesty that should never happen in sports and the day they gave away Mookie and David (our two best black players) I pointed out if would set back the franchise 5 to 10 years. It’s five years later and there is no salvaging the franchise in sight. Just a bunch of fans HOPING for the best and even some declare the team will be much better this year but they’ve done that every year since 2019 and have been wrong just as they will be in 2025.
If the owner’s racism caused the program to be turned on it’s head by Bloom then they should step up and take the blame. I think they listened to his incredibly horrible ideas and philosophies on building a winner and cringed and said you can have the job if you promise to run Mookie and Price out of town for being traitors because Mookie confronted them on the Eckersley/Price issue when ownership made disparaging comments about Price. Mookie did exactly what he should have as the captain and franchise player, he stuck up for his team mate who was treated poorly by a racist owner who spoke as if it was 1960 in Boston with respect to Price. I applaud his actions and always will. There is no place in sports for the behavior exhibited by the owners.
That’s the linchpin of this entire destruction of the Red Sox. Again, can’t wait until the book is written so the masses better understand why the Red Sox organization was dismantled at the end of 2019.
JoeBrady
Quite frankly, I think we are in very good position. Our under/over is 85.5, we still have some spending money left, and FG ranks our farm as #3, and most of the current team is fairly young.
all in the suit that you wear
…and you will probably say they got lucky when they win their next World Series.
Fever Pitch Guy
Rick – Thanks for the morning laugh!
Sox won 4 championships by spending big, look it up.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Prove it.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Front offices using one player as an excuse for not pursuing all avenues of success are not good Front offices, like the Dodgers are.
They are not honest Front offices, like wise Dodgers are.
The owners of these teams do not treat their fans with love and respect, like the Dodgers do.
Owners who do this have little to no social consciousness, like the Dodgers do.
Not buying pizza today. Some poor schmuck franchise owner, struggling to make it….not getting my business today…..
Thank you sonny and Mrs Billionaire….
Like you care about any of it……
The Saber-toothed Superfife
The Illiches are lucky Dodgers fans and members the Dodger front offices still buy Hot-n-Readys….. (when not eating sushi)
Tiger fans have reconsidered….
dasit
everyone knows he turned down 6/156 from the astros so the trick is to sign a shorter deal and somehow spin it as better
B dog 351
Don’t want him and he ain’t coming . They are too cheap . So that’s a plus in this situation. I still think they should try for Arenado
Mickey Solis
Contract(s), plural?
t0bIe1CaN0bI
At this point, hearing Bregman’s name is almost as annoying as TSwizz’s. What’s next, he’s going to start showing up at football games? Please sign somewhere Breg.
Bevan
I still believe the best use of Sox resources is to trade for a closer like Doran, Helsey, or Sanchez, another starting pitcher like Alcantara, Lopez, or Cease, and a catcher who could become better than Wong. The hitting prospects will take care of the rest of the lineup.
Sagacity
Bevan – Seriously? Hendrik is great and will prove it this season. The closer role is covered with multiple back-ups. Trading for the guys you suggested is a waste of resources. I would love to see Mayer go to SD for Cease but Breslow doesn’t understand his current talent. He’d probably give away Anthony or Campbell or both he’s such a moron.
Bevan
I hope you are right about Hendricks. Old Hendricks would be great; an injured one not so much. Anthony and Campbell are the only untouchables in my book.
Sagacity
Bevan – The injury was TJ surgery which many, many pitchers have come back from. This guy fought cancer and won. He’s got the mental make-up to come back from TJ Surgery. You’ll see.
There should have been three with Teel and maybe even four with Montgomery. I really like Montgomery’s upside and when we got him in the draft thanks to an ankle injury, it was a huge break. Then we tossed him without truly realizing his upside. That’s a huge mark against Breslow.
The Virus
It’s not always about the money and not wanting to pay a player. Sometimes it’s common sense saying we don’t want this player for x amount of years at his age and stats decreasing steadily for the past x seasons.
darkhorses2010
Bregman for 4/98 is ok for the Sox, and it’s where Breslow/Henry should draw the line.
No no-trade clause, no pages and pages of incentives.
Tell him to take it or leave it.
whyhayzee
It seems like there are some players who actually want to play for the Red Sox. They have an impressive track of success over the past 25 years and right now have a plethora of young talent in the majors and on the way. I feel that the Red Sox are now trying to be diligent with contracts so that they can afford to keep the next group of high level players after losing out on Betts and others. If Bregman wants in on the next powerhouse team, he has to make a compromise in his demands. This team is poised for their next run at excellence. The days of losing the seventh game of the World Series are past, heck, the other team doesn’t even sniff a seventh game anymore. Go Red Sox!
B dog 351
Why: I really like your enthusiasm. This ownership is not keeping any talented guys for any length of time unless they take team friendly deals early on. Besides Devers who else can you remember? They were doing short term with Ortiz .
Sagacity
Whyhayzee – To be precise, Boston sucked for 86 years, then had 15 good years, then fired Dombrowski and have sucked since. Losing Mookie cost the team 5 to 10 years of being competitive. The 2021 aberration was pure luck and the last hurrah for the 2018 WS CHAMP’s roster. They had no chance vs Houston and were fortunate that both TB and NYY hiccuped that year.
Contracts are impacted most by bad managers. Cora ruined both Price and Sale and turned great contracts into ones that looked like crap. Normally, that gets the manager fired. Cora is made of Teflon. Nothing sticks to him – not the biggest cheating scandal in baseball history, not his reworking Sale’s mechanics mid-season and destroying his elbow and not even telling his pitchers to report two weeks late to Spring Training in 2019 because they need more rest since they played in November!!! (what an idiot!!) Nope this guy is like the DR mafia. Whoever is backing the guy has the clout to keep him in his job when he has no talent and no integrity. It’s sad for Boston fans and pathetic for the owners who have supported this travesty of a manager.
Fever Pitch Guy
Hayzee – Until the player puts pen to paper by signing a non-overpay contract with the Sox, you should take back your unjustified statement :o)
t0bIe1CaN0bI
So if Bregman and Boras stick to their plan that means it’s Detroit or Houston and Bostons out. My money’s on Stros.
Pads Fans
There were 3 teams that had made offers of 5 years or more. Boston was not one of them, but are obviously interested in Bregman.
Fever Pitch Guy
Pads – Just like they were obviously interested in Monty last year … Until they revealed they never were.
Bra Joni
I mean, outside of the trashcan years, the dudes pretty mid
Sagacity
Bra – Clearly Arenado with his short-term and low cost contract is the 3B we need but it’s a moot point if Devers stays at 3B and continues to ruin the Red Sox shot at the post season. He’s a human sieve. The Butcher of Boston must go to DH or to another team (not that anyone would find his contract even close to being good) So throw in Mayer and dump two massive deterrents to winning and gain one star player in return who rolls off the books in 3 years.. It’s not Breslow’s style to actually win a trade but one can always hope.
Pads Fans
People need to remember that Bregman is a better player than Devers. Better WAR and higher peak. He is older and was still better in a down season than Devers was last season. Part of that is because Bregman can play good defense.
Devers playing 3B provided less value to the team than if he had played DH last season. Just the move to DH will increase his WAR and make the Red Sox a better team even if they only add a 3B with the same value as Yoshida has provided the last two seasons. Add someone like Bregman and the Red Sox are 2-3 wins better in 2025 from that one move.
Sagacity
Pads – Finally, someone who gets it. This is a no brainer that can’t happen. Go figure!!! No corruption in baseball!! hahaha Not even the dumbest owner, GM and Manager would keep playing a guy who legitimately misses over 50 balls a year and gets credit for over 20 errors per year until the corruption in baseball takes over and lowers his horse crap play to 14 errors. What a joke!!! Score keeping once had integrity but now with the onslaught of gambling in baseball, heck numbers have no sanctity. There just there to get the public to bet more. Sorry Kennisaw I heard you roll over in your grave!!
R0cketer
Offer him a 4-year deal, with a 5th tear team option and a 6th year player option. That way Red Sox get a max 4 year guaranteed, but if he is not slowing down that much, they can give him a boost to try to make up for not giving it guaranteed, whatever his salary was the previous year, add 3 or 5 million to his 4th salary, that way he feels valuable. If he slumps the fourth year, he can use his option to stay and try to stay to rebound, if he has a great fourth year, he can opt-out to try to get another contract with higher per year or whatever. I think this structure protects the Sox and the player both, as long as I explained it right. He gets 4 years, a good increase if he is still producing for the fifth year, and the 6th year is protection for him if he falls off in the 5th to be able to stay for a reduced salary or leave if he is still going strong and wants to test the market. Give him limited trade option, say protected from 8 teams or something.
Bruin1012
There are a few things to think about signing Bregman for potentially 4 or 5 years. What is the plan for this guy really? Are you really going to play him at second and leave the inferior defender at third? Kristian Campbell is coming fast do you really want block his potential best position with a guy he’s likely to better within a couple of years. The last three years Bregman has had pretty big reverse platoon splits.
If the plan is to bring in Bregman with the ultimate goal of stealthily moving Devers off of third at some point in the season I’m in. If they intend to really play him the full season at second base I don’t think they should spend the money it’s going to take when Boston has patiently waited for its young core to get close and they are close. There is the caveat that Campbell has a lot of versatility so if he hits they will find spots to play him but still second base looks like his long term home and the position that he says he’s most comfortable with and played in college.
I think the team has improved this offseason and we just don’t know what a lot of these pitchers will look after a full offseason in the Bailey/Willard pitching lab. There’s a really good interview on Sox Prospects with Justin Willard Bostons Director of Pitching. I’m not going to go into everything he talked about but suffice it to say there are a lot of good arms in the minors and they are coming. He had some particularly interesting things to say about Sandlin. He’s also said that a lot of the young arms in the minors are buying into what they need to do to get to the big leagues. It’s a great interview and something any Red Sox fan can get a lot of information about minor league pitching from.
Rickover50
Boras simply has too many clients . Bregman needs to fire him and get a contract done already.. spring training is in a few weeks