Rangers right-hander Jacob deGrom is enjoying the first fully healthy offseason he’s had in quite some time after returning from rehab for Tommy John surgery back in September. As noted by Shawn McFarland of the Dallas Morning News, deGrom spoke to reporters about his outlook headed into the 2025 season and revealed that he’s begun throwing off the mound early this winter. The veteran hopes that building up towards pitching in games more slowly over a longer period of time than he has in the past will help him to stay healthy this season.
The 36-year-old is perhaps the very best pitcher in the entire sport when healthy, but maintaining his health has been a struggle over the past half decade. After winning back-to-back NL Cy Young awards with the Mets in 2018 and ’19 and finishing third during the shortened 2020 season, deGrom got off to an unbelievable start in 2021 with a 1.08 ERA and an eye-popping 45.1% strikeout rate. Unfortunately, he was sidelined in early July with forearm and elbow issues that ultimately ended his season. It’s been more of the same ever since, with deGrom making increasingly brief appearances in the majors each year but nonetheless continuing to dominate whenever he’s on the mound.
Since the start of the 2021 season, deGrom has pitched to a 2.01 ERA (200 ERA+) with a 1.63 FIP and 307 strikeouts in 197 1/3 innings. That would be on a shortlist for the greatest pitching seasons of all time if it hadn’t taken deGrom parts of four seasons to accumulate those numbers, and after watching Jordan Montgomery and Max Scherzer depart from their rotation in back-to-back offseasons the Rangers are surely hoping that they’ll get to see what deGrom can do over a full slate of starts this year. That’s something deGrom is fully on board with, as he told reporters (including McFarland) yesterday that his goal is to make 30 starts this year.
While McFarland notes that deGrom has not yet spoken to Rangers brass about his workload for 2025, the idea of a pitcher with deGrom’s injury history making 30 starts can’t be entirely dismissed. After all, southpaw Garrett Crochet made 32 starts with the White Sox last year despite not having pitched more than 65 innings in a season throughout college and his entire professional career due to injuries and time spent in the bullpen. The White Sox made that possible by aggressively managing his innings throughout the second half. He never recorded an out in the fifth inning this year after the calendar flipped to July and his pitch count maxed out at 77 after the All-Star break. Crochet, of course, is more than a decade younger than deGrom, but this sort of aggressive innings management could allow the Rangers to utilize their ace all throughout the regular season and into the playoffs without him needing to throw anything close to 200 innings.
deGrom isn’t the only key player for the Rangers who is hoping for better health in 2024. McFarland relays that third baseman Josh Jung, outfielder Evan Carter, and shortstop Corey Seager are all healthy and ready for Spring Training next month after undergoing surgeries in the fall. Seager underwent sports hernia surgery back in September but resumed baseball activities in November, while Jung and Carter are on a slightly more delayed timeline after undergoing wrist and back surgery respectively in October.
That trio being healthy and effective in 2025 would be a huge boon for the Rangers who failed to defend their 2023 World Series title in the 2024 postseason in large part thanks to a lackluster offense. Rangers hitters produced a collective wRC+ of just 95 last year as Seager was limited to 123 games by injuries while Jung and Carter managed just 46 and 45 games respectively. Seager remained as effective as ever when healthy enough to take the field with a .278/.353/.521 slash line in 533 trips to the plate, but Jung (102 wRC+) and especially Carter (80 wRC+) struggled to keep up with their expected production even when they were on the field due to the nagging nature of their injuries.
While the club has augmented its offense this winter by bringing in Joc Pederson and Jake Burger to replace Nathaniel Lowe in the lineup, better health from Jung and Carter figure to be necessary if the Rangers hope to look more like their 2023 offense, which was third in baseball with a 116 wRC+, than their below-average 2024 club in the upcoming season. Healthy seasons from Jung and Carter would also come with the benefit of pushing outfielder Leody Taveras and infielder Josh Smith into bench roles, giving them one of the deeper positional groups in the sport when fully healthy.
Sorry, Nicholas but he isn’t the best pitcher in the sport. That distinction belongs to Rich Hill…
That’s Dick Mountain to you.
I stand corrected! Hahaha
With due respect, as I’ve always liked Degrom, I will never again believe he’s fully healthy and ready to go until it’s November and he’s pitched every available game for the season.
I thought that with Chris sale and look what happened in 2024
All it takes is the right way
Yes, correct, as I said, I’ll believe it when it happens. But not before.
Chris Sale couldn’t help his team down the stretch in 2024 because he was injured.
Everybody is always “fully healthy and in the best shape of [his] life” entering ST….. it usually lasts until May.
You never saw Manny Ramirez or Pablo Sandoval report to training camp did you?…
Panda was in the best condition of his life every spring. Then he started hitting the after game buffet and that all changed by mid April.
It’s not his fault he is just diabetic!
I would put the O/U of 120 innings for deGrom.
I think most Rangers fans would be thrilled with that, honestly. Assuming, of course, he was healthy and available for the postseason, should Texas make the playoffs.
Take the under…
95 IP, 110 SO is current O/U.
Your absolutely right. He’s to skinny to be throwing 100mph. He’s beautiful to watch he’ll just never give you more then 10-12 starts a year. Tops.
if healthy this guy would have Hall of Fame status
He’s going to go. Wait and see. His numbers are almost identical to others that are in.
Such as?
I know wins is more a team stat, but no primary SP has entered the all of fame with less than 100 wins and DeGrom is at 84 and might not even crack 100 for his career. His ceiling is HOF caliber but his longevity isn’t.
If you only knew how many starts he gave up 2 ER or less over 6+ ip. Its a crime
You’re talking to a Mets fan lol but it still doesn’t change the facts and I was being generous with 100 I think the fewest wins is like 150 for a SP. Trevor Hoffman a closer only has 278 less total innings than DeGrom in his career.
No starting pitcher is in the HOF with fewer that 2321 IP. The 36 year old deGrom is at 1327. He has no shot at getting in unless he pitches 200 innings per season for next 5 seasons.
@rey then you know the pain of how many starts the mets just wouldnt score for him. It was laughable for a few years.
Yes I know it’s just not enough starts by him, even if he won 60% of all of his starts that puts him at only 130 wins for his career. He was dominant prob best pitcher I’ve ever seen (Pedro/Randy prime was right before I got into baseball) but unless he can get a couple more healthy seasons I just don’t see him making it.
Haha this is a funny comment. This guy wouldn’t get in with his stats.
deGrom is Hall of Very Good, not Hall of Fame. The late start to his career didn’t help (age 26 as a rookie) but since he won the NL Cy Young award in 2019 he’s managed to start in only 47 games and 265.1 innings. At 36 he unlikely has the longevity needed to bring any of his numbers beyond maybe ERA to HoF levels
DeGrom has been Hall of Fame caliber when he is out there. The two seasons of the Cy were spectacular. I think he might get a “Sandy Koufax HOF exception” regarding longevity.
Regarding his contract, I am astonished that the Rangers agreed to 5y+/-$40M/annum to sign him given his injury history. I also find startling that the Rangers would pay $40M for > 200 IP.
Koufax has 2300 IP. deGrom 1300.
He’s so easily a HOFer. In the last 100 years, he has the best whip in of all sp. All of them. He’s 3rd in that time in K/BB. 4th in ERA. He has the highest QS percentage in history. Its amazing how little people know about how great he’s been. And remember, he had 7.5 healthy seasons to start his career, save for the last 6 weeks of 2016.
Nah
What’s the qualifications? How many in the last 100 years had 2000+ IP. He doesn’t sniff that. Longevity and health have to count for something. Not just hey I was great when I was healthy. He’s pitched a whole season of innings the last 4 years combined. He could pitch the next 4 years 120 starts and probably still wouldn’t get in.
Injuries suck. Wish Degrom and Trout had healthy careers.
Don’t lump trout with degrom. A season and a half short of 100 WAR. They are not the same. He’s played in 1500* games. Degrom has played in 200
Not exactly useful to compare games played between a starting pitcher and an everyday player is it?
deGrom is 36 years old with a terrible injury history. He’s never pitching a healthy season again. Anyone who thinks so is delusional. I don’t even know if he’s capable of pitching 20 starts in a season any longer.
I’ll bet $20 that my 1992 Honda Civic starts more during 2025 than deGrom…
The good news is, if you win, you can use those $40 to upgrade to a ’93 Civic…
That is a smart financial move, Rsox…I’m crossing my fingers and eyes in hopes of winning this upcoming season.
Ill take the bet on over 20 starts this year.
No, yo yo ma! I don’t want you to get ill over this bet. You keep your health!
Ma4170:
Ah, so you’re generally awful at betting I presume?
Naw…just cracking jokes, Miken.
No hired gun I meant the guy before you. I didn’t mean that towards you. Lol.
Hahahaha….right on!!!
Haha oh I’ll definitely stick by this one. Over on 20 starts for degrom… book it!
Ma4170:
And you’re basing this on what? And of course, you’re not actually betting anything on this because you wouldn’t and nobody would.
Oh I absolutely would. His injuries didn’t start til mid 2021, so he wasn’t a chronically injured sp. I think much of the arm discomfort he was fighting for the year and a half afterward was related to what eventually led to TJS. With a full healthy rehab, i think he’ll get through this year without major incident. He may not be as effective as he used to be, but I dont think he’ll have a big injury. I think just assuming he’ll get hurt again after having surgery to correct the issue is less likely. So we’ll see. And technically I’m betting on him somewhat as I have him as a keeper in one of my fantasy leagues.
Ma4170:
First off, it’s not true his injuries started in mid 2021. He had Tommy John surgery in the minor leagues before his major league career started. And by the way, 2021 is now about four years ago. So this guy has been injured for the better part of four years and he’s 36 years old. It is delusional with a capital D to think he will ever be healthy again. It simply will not happen. Good Lord if I could bet you I would. It’s not one surgery to correct the issue. This guy has had several injuries in the past few years. Go look it up.
The TJS was 2010, over 14 years ago. He didnt reach the majors until 2014 so i didnt consider it relevant. What I’m saying is the issues that started mid-2021 (3.5 years ago) likely started bc his body was compensating for discomfort that eventually led to TJS.
Look at glasnow, a pitcher who never had healthy years like degrom, he had tjs, and had 21 and 22 starts his first years back. Yes he got shut down again, but he eclipsed 20 his first two seasons post surgery, even though hes much younger.
Okay, we’ll do a friendly bet here on the site. I’ll take the 20+ starts, you can have the under. We’ll see how it goes.
And I’m not just saying it, i would lay money on it online if I even knew how to do that these days.
Ma4170:
The fact that the Tommy John surgery was years ago is still relevant. It showed he already had arm issues. And now a second Tommy John surgery. Plus numerous other issues. To say all those other issues are related to the issue that led to the Tom John surgery is highly speculative. I think they were independent of that or else he would’ve needed the surgery earlier. But that’s speculative on my part as well. Plus being 36 years old. None of that adds up to a guy who’s going be pitching a lot going forward. You make the Glasnow comparison but he’s not 36 years old either. Guys don’t bounce back once they get to a certain point. Throwing 100 miles an hour takes a toll on the body. But as you said, we can see how it goes and if either of us remembers this, we can revisit it. Lol.
Let’s bookmark it! (if that’s even the right term haha)
Well, the forearm tightness in 2021 seemed to me like an obvious precursor to what would eventually be TJS. The stress reaction in the spring of 2022 may be because he was altering his delivery, or could just be a separate injury. And then the elbow inflammation early 2023 was the one that led to TJS. I think what started in 2021 ended up being the issues that led to the surgery. If he throws 100 all the time again, then no shot of staying healthy. They have to rein him in a bit. A healthy degrom is great for baseball.
Ma4170:
Since he started throwing 100 miles an hour and getting injured they’ve been trying to rein him in. I think he only knows one way.
I get why he started doing that – because he became almost unhittable. But can’t he see that even when he was averaging 96-97 he was still a top 10 SP. At this point, you’re right, he may not be able to dial it back.
The Rangers had a nice run in 2023 but their time has come and gone. That pitching staff has too many question marks and what ifs to win another world series.
They need a closer!
Rangers are still pretty damn good.
If everyone is healthy Rangers could win the West. It’s a pretty weak division.
Let’s go Rangers! 2025 AL West Champs!
Still annoys me that the Dodgers didn’t re-sign Seager. Been nothing but trouble at SS since then. El Cheapo team refuses to spend what’s needed to be competitive.
Is this sarcasm? if you’re truly a LA fan and say they don’t spend, there’s literally never going to be any pleasing you. Stop watching baseball now. it’ll save you a lot of heartache. I wish Dodger stadium would collapse tbh. Just a great big sink hole open up and swallow the entire park.
Couldn’t pony up to re-sign Seager or Turner at SS, so now forced to play Betts out of position. Too cheap to give Buehler a qualifying offer, stringing Kershaw along this offseason. Sad.
Same goes for Trea Turner who they traded for.
Friedman is a weird guy.
Seager and Turner were both very liked and quality pieces…. But you never know what trajectory that could have sent them down. If you had to pick both of them v. what they got in 2024 and potentially what they’re gonna have to start 2025, don’t think most would hesitate on the latter. Seager finishing his career in Dodger blue would be been great. But then the same heart strings would have gone out to forcing keeping Bellinger around, and Kemp, etc.
@highflyball yeah I know right? Damn Dodgers don’t spend any money
Pitchers only have so many bullets in the gun and once they start to break down it’s just like a rifle that jams more often so any hope that he will make every start and get through the season healthy is a nice thought but more like wishful thinking.
When DeGrom was healthy he was one of the very few pitchers that I would pay to go see…just absolutely filthy good and was a joy to watch.
If pitchers were like my 28 Nosler you could just replace the barrel.
Jake Burger wearing number 21.
Good for him.
He’s done.
Two tommy johns and no attempt to change his pitching style.
People said when his injury streak began that he would have to stop trying to throw everything over 100 mph.
He didn’t.
de Grom is pretty much finished. There is no way he can make 30 starts with all his injuries. If he makes 12 starts in 2025 that will be a miracle. The Mets were smart to let him go.
I love degrom but that contract has to be up there as one of the worst contracts. Nearly everyone knew health was going to be an issue for him and in 2 years he’s barely pitched. I can’t expect in the next 3 years he’s going to be healthier at that age. Yes, great when he pitches, but how often is that.
Burned money for 5 years. I hope I’m wrong and he throws 500 innings the next 3 years, but I don’t see it
Does the insurance company pay that?
I doubt they have a full insurance policy on Degrom. Would’ve been extremely expensive to insure a pitcher with his health history if there was a company that’d even do it.
Melvhez17:
Yeah, I’m sure the insurance company of fairytales and happy wishes will cover that one. What insurance company would’ve ever covered deGrom’s contract when everyone knew it was terrible before he signed it?
One of my favorite stats – if deGrom can start 37 more games, his total career games started will equal Bob Gibson’s number of career complete games (255).
DeGrom is exceptional, but he’s going to need time for the MLB HOF Voting group to embrace the new sort of pitcher who averages 5-ish IP per start for heath and tactical issues. There will be more
I wish him and Trout a healthy season. It’s always great to see them playing.
Agree. Would like to see Trout play 130-140 games a year. He’s never going to be 100% better, but should have some good performances left
Yeah neither are my teams but definitely rooting for players like deGrom, Trout and others to still have some great days.
@Angels, that’s incredible, just looked it up, sure enough. My head is still spinning. Ahahahahaha!
Weird, if you were to show me his career year to year stats sans teams played for I’d think you were showing me Corey Kluber
“The 36-year-old is perhaps the very best pitcher in the entire sport when healthy”
Tim Lincecum says “Hold my bee… OUCH!!!”
He might make a comeback
the team could win 65 or 105 games…..disrregarding the bullpen for a second the rest of the team as constructed is so variable, depending on health primarily, but also huge gambles with bounce backs and bets on progression
DeGrom
Eovaldi
Mahle
Gray
Rocker/leiter/bradford/dunning
Could get the job done…
Semien
Langford
Seager
Burger
Pederson
Adolis
Jung
Carter
Heim/Higa
Has there ever been a World Series winning team scream “One and Done” more than those Rangers?
Maybe Marlins?
Pitched 40 innings for Texas in the first 2 years of his contract. Is now 36, with 4 years left at nearly 40MM a year. Is declining, with a high chance of going back on the IL. One of the worst contracts in history of sports.
Remember when people were saying the same thing about Chris Sale?
Pepperidge Farms remembers….
Chris Sale who couldn’t finish 2024 and was unavailable for the last 2 weeks of the season? That Chris Sale?
The Cy Young winner knucklehead. That Chris Sale……
AL Cy Young incoming.
Just put DeGrom in the bullpen. 1.) He’ll never pitch a full season again, 2.) he’ll never pitch more than 100 innings again, 3.) he’ll never be the same dominant starter again. DeGrom as a closer or set-up man, not throwing any harder than her already does, and shorten his arsenal by a pitch or two…could be pretty good.
Hard to believe the Rangers paid Degrom and Martin Perez a combined 59.65 million bucks in 2023, and then won the WS anyway
Lance McCuller’s is Jacob deGrom-lite.
I still can’t believe they gave him that contract. Probably the most predictable “guess what’s about to happen” in MLB history when he got hurt.