The past weekend seemed like something of a tipping point for fans of teams other than the Dodgers. The Dodgers were able to land Japanese phenom Roki Sasaki on Friday for a mere $6.5MM bonus, given the restrictions on signing international players under the age of 25. While Sasaki will enter the arbitration system for the final three years of team control from 2028-30, he still comes with incredible surplus value.
Then on Sunday, the Dodgers put an exclamation point on their weekend by signing the best reliever on the market, Tanner Scott, to the fifth-largest free agent contract ever at the position. And yes, there was significant deferred money in Scott’s contract, but that’s a poll topic for another day.
We’ll hear from Sasaki soon enough, but surely the Dodgers’ previous monstrous offseason signings of Shohei Ohtani and Yoshinobu Yamamoto helped lure him to Los Angeles. Since the 2023 season ended, the club has also added Teoscar Hernandez (twice), Blake Snell, Tyler Glasnow, and others, while brokering extensions for Glasnow, Will Smith, and trade pickup Tommy Edman.
It’s not easy to buy an MLB dynasty. Others have tried, but the sport hasn’t seen back-to-back World Series winners since the 1998-2000 Yankees accomplished a three-peat. Now, with a 12-team playoff format, that might be even harder for the Dodgers to pull off.
Most MLB teams don’t open their books to the public, so we don’t know how many clubs would be profitable at the $370MM payroll the Dodgers currently sport. It’s fair to assume small market clubs could not support that type of payroll, even though some of them receive in excess of $150MM between national revenues and revenue sharing each year.
Some might argue that because of the nature of the MLB playoffs, the sport is already in good shape in terms of parity. But because the Dodgers bring in so much revenue (particularly through their TV deal), they have advantages in acquiring players that many markets simply cannot match. Maybe the Dodgers can’t guarantee a string of championships, but they haven’t won fewer than 98 regular season games since 2018 (extrapolating the pandemic season). Their payroll is obviously part of their success.
The drumbeat from fans, at least on social media, seems to be getting louder for a salary cap. It’s hard to argue: if all 30 teams were capped at spending, say, $200MM on player payroll, the regular season playing field would be leveled significantly. There would be star free agents the Dodgers, Mets, and other big markets simply could not sign. The salary cap would be tied to league revenue, and would rise accordingly. I’m not convinced a salary cap (and floor) is the only way to improve parity, but it’s the most obvious one.
MLB owners have wanted a salary cap for a long time. You may recall that was the reason for the 1994 strike, which cost us the World Series that year. The players did not give in to that demand, though they did allow for the first luxury tax in subsequent years.
The thing about a salary cap is that it would almost certainly increase parity, but as the name states, it would also cap player earnings short of what the free market allows. The expectation is that a salary cap would reduce the total amount of money earned by players, although commissioner Rob Manfred might argue that point. That’s why MLB is not an unbiased source when they talk about how a salary cap is needed for competitive balance.
Baseball has always had the strongest union in sports, almost entirely because of one man: Marvin Miller. Miller essentially created the MLBPA in 1966. He ran it until 1982 and deserves credit for the advent of arbitration and free agency in MLB. He also rallied players to go on strike or endure lockouts to ensure they only made forward progress, and did not accept a salary cap or even a luxury tax.
While the MLBPA has ceded ground since Miller retired, the sport still does not have a salary cap. Baseball was able to avoid work stoppages since the ’94 strike, until owners locked out the players after the 2021 CBA expired in December. Though negotiations often seemed perilous, ultimately a new five-year agreement was reached in March of 2022 and no games were lost. The two sides seemed enough at odds that many observers wondered if we’ll simply now get a lockout every five years.
In the wake of the most recent CBA and given turmoil with television rights, MLB put together an “economic reform committee.” The current CBA expires on December 1st, 2026. It’s not hard to picture owners banding together for their strongest salary cap push since Bud Selig’s in ’94. Assuming the MLBPA has enough solidarity under Tony Clark and Bruce Meyer to match its legacy, it follows that players might not give in, and some or even all of the 2027 season could be cancelled.
That leaves me with two questions for tonight’s poll. (I apologize for my lack of clarity in the initial version of this poll: assume a salary cap comes with a floor).
And then the next question:
Not for a cap, but gotta get rid of the deferred money and share television revenue.
Revenue is already shared, 48%. Then you also have teams that get CBT tax dollars on top of that, The teams that spend are subsidizing low speaking teams & those owners pocket the money.
Yet somehow some teams are making hundreds of millions in local media while other teams make tens of millions.
@Cards
New York population vs Pittsburgh. Nothing can be done about that.
Yes there is something that can be done about that: Pool all television revenue and split the pie evenly.
Socialism?
In reference to the New York population vs Pittsburgh comment…
Sure something could be done. Whittle away the size of the markets in the megacities. Places like NY and LA should be able to support far more teams than they already do. At the very least add one more team to each of their markets.
How many teams did New York once support back in the day? And didn’t Boston used to have multiple teams as well once upon a time?
Oh yeah right, the owners would never vote that into being.
Guess you don’t realize both towns have football teams and that the NFL does real revenue sharing?
Nfl already does it. Are they socialists.
This is a great point.
@Dodgerfan: Why is there no whining about the NFL being socialist?
Gholly, MLB is the only major sport that doesn’t. All the others do.
Dodger – Yes, they can call it a “Success Tax”.
When a team invests time, effort and money building a solid well-run organization, they should be penalized for it because cheaper, dumber organizations deserve what they haven’t earned.
Funny, nobody complained this much 2 years ago when the Mets had a $375M CBT payroll that was $107M more than the Dodgers.
And nobody has complained this much about the Yankees spending, probably because they haven’t won a WS in 16 years.
Here’s an idea: Perhaps if other teams like the Red Sox and Cubs and Jays had a better business model and were willing to spend more money, then maybe THEY could have signed Snell or Scott or Ohtani or Freeman or traded for Glasnow or Mookie (or in Boston’s case, kept Mookie).
It’s not like the Dodgers have been throwing huge money at every great free agent and eating contracts that turned out to be mistakes. They have made good decisions and done an excellent job building their brand and creating an appealing environment for players, and now some of you want to penalize them for that just because they won their first legit WS since 1988? Absurd.
“My team can’t figure out how to screw in a light bulb, so I want to limit another team who can” mentality. It is an asinine mentality.
Nobody here is chained to their team. If your team sucks, get a new team. Life is short, way too short to spend it pulling for the Pirates, Rockies, or any of those other franchises that are totally lost.
south – I would love to have an NL team in Boston again, it would motivate John Henry to compete for local fans instead of mailing it in because they are the only team in all New England.
@cards, ah……yeah…..it’s for the same reason that a Jimmy John’s cost $8.99 in the loop but down the street from me in my hood in SF, a Jimmy John’s cost $12.99. It ain’t rocket science my man
Ra – Does the NFL have better parity with their rules?
Over the past 10 full MLB seasons (not gonna count the joke of 2020) there has been NINE different WS Champions.
Over the past 10 NFL seasons there’s been only 6 different Superbowl champions.
Want to go even further back?
The Dodgers have outspent every team in baseball by $645.6 million in CBT payroll and fines since 2013 not including whatever they add to that total in 2025.
Fever, it’s one thing to make shrewd moves, it’s another anticipating on future revenue streams like the Mets did 20 years ago or allowing an unbalanced playing field that allows the Dodgers to sign players for even less than other teams if they could ink them TNi one anticipated so many Asian league players coming like they are now. If those leagues can limit U.S. players for each team, MLB needs to do the same. That would eliminate one team from getting everyone. it won’t stop stop
They also have a cap
What made baseball special Fever has been diluted by the extra wild cards, which to me is not good. I lived with one in 95 but this is not baseball. it makes artificial drama. MLB used to get the best teams most years. Now it’s potluck.
Carlos, they also have a floor and a guaranteed percentage of total revenue going to the players.
Did you just say the Jays have been unwilling to spend? Have you paid any attention to the last couple of offseasons?
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the West Coast from having an advantage geographically, but it’s a start. With the MSG strike, I’m already watching less sports these last three weeks. At this point, if baseball were to go on strike (even now), we would adjust.
The Premier League in England generates more money and more attention than any of the American Sports. I only say that because that League doesn’t have a “salary cap.” The 2024/25 Premier League is more competitive now than it’s ever been.
Imo if there’s to be any financial changes in MLB there needs to be a Salary Floor. This whole business of forcing fans to watch bad teams by selling them on the idea of a rebuild is absolutely disgraceful imo
Usurper – Your last paragraph is quite silly.
Most people are fans of their local teams for a reason.
1) They don’t have to travel far to attend home games.
2) Games are televised by the regional sports network, you don’t have to pay a fortune for out of market games.
3) Local media covers the local team extensively, it’s harder to follow out of market teams.
4) You don’t change your loyalties because your team sucks. My team has sucked for 5 of the past 6 years, I still live and die with them.
5) Radio broadcasts of the local team’s games are free and easily accessible.
6) Merchandising is much harder to find for out of market teams.
ayrrrr – Let’s say for the sake of argument, that MLB instituted a floor of $150million dollars.
How would that solve the payroll disparity between the larger market/deeper pocket teams and the smaller market/less affluent ballclubs?
What happens when the Dodgers raise their payroll to $500 million? Or the Mets $600 million? Do you really think $150 million dollar floor will make the Pirates or Guardians or similarly sized markets more competitive?
All owners are not created equal, even if they’re rich by your and my standards. Our sport however deserves to be played on an equal playing field where fans of small market teams can put a comparable team on the field year in and year out.
Baseball – And all that spending got the Dodgers ZERO legit WS titles until last year.
The spending is not a problem until they actually start doing what the Yankees did from 1996-2000, winning nearly every World Series.
The Premier League distributes its broadcasting monies to its member clubs in the following way: 50% is split equally, 25% is based on the number of television appearances with a stipulated minimum amount (called facility fees) and 25% based on where that club finishes in the league (called merit payment).
They split ticket and other local revenue 50/50 per match with the visiting team.
dewey – Did you have a problem with the Red Sox when they built a Dominican pipeline over 20 years ago?
The Red Sox spent huge money on Manny and Pedro, who in turn brought Ortiz, and the end result was a run of championships.
nesn.com/2024/03/how-influx-of-dominican-superstar…
There is nothing stopping other teams from doing similar.
Imagine if the Marlins put some effort in acquiring Cuban stars, just think how that franchise could have been turned around.
dewey – I totally support you on the watered down expanded playoffs, but unfortunately it’s going to get worse not better.
When MLB expands to 32 teams, they WILL expand the playoff field to 16 teams.
Gary – If you’re referring to me, the Jays were 10th in CBT payroll last year.
For that market, and that team’s financial resources, they should be spending enough to land some of the free agents they are missing out on.
dewey – 1981 and 1994 were two of the worst summers of my life.
I really don’t want to go through that again. Luckily I was too young to experience the Sox missing the postseason in 1972 by a half game because of the labor dispute that year.
ayr – I totally agree, especially on the “rebuild” brainwashing.
It was indeed disgraceful to hear the team with the 3rd-highest revenue in MLB say they have to trade stars like Mookie and won’t be able to compete for 5-6 years because they need to “rebuild”.
Big market teams don’t have to choose between trying to win and restocking a farm system, they can easily do both as long as they are willing to spend.
The NFL manages just fine with teams in small markets. And their payrolls are the same as the Cowboys and Giants.
Without the rest of the teams, there’s no money to be made for the Dodgers and no team for Dodgers fans to watch.
You saying the NFL is socialist?
No thanks. We rather enjoy being Pirate and Rockies fans and find the Dodgers just boring. The Dodgers don’t need to be “fixed,” the system does.
MLB is not a government so no. Open a dictionary.
It’s not so much about championships as it is competitive windows. Big market teams don’t have to rebuild/retool and can pursue a championship every year.
@ayrbhoy Man City won four straight titles
High risk, high reward!
southi: If you’re talking a long time ago, there was once over 400 teams that played in New York. I would love to see more teams in LA and NY. It might even revive the newspaper business.
Usurper: I’m a fan of the White Sox and have been since I was six. However, I’m no longer a supporter of my team meaning I don’t waste my money on tickets anymore. It isn’t easy with the Sox,, but one thing I learned from European soccer is, you never give up on your team. There are 27 other teams that interest me to a certain extent so I follow some of them until my team shows an interest in competing again.
seems to be working for the nfl.
FPG; agree with everything except about legit WS. 2020 should have an asterisk due to the shortened season, however the players were legit, salaries were legit, injuries were legit and so on and so on.
NYC can absolutely support another pro MLB team in Brooklyn.
I love how New York and Los Angeles residents are crying “Socialism!” as they continue to vote for the Blue every election. Hypocrites.
You do realize that the topic at hand has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with MLB’s federal antitrust exemption. right? But go ahead and stand on your soapbox to yell at the clouds.
No, of course it’s not socialism. It’s like those mentioning it don’t even know what socialism is.
Exactly. Split the game revenue into 30 equal shares and reward success instead of failure. No more is required — no cap, no floor. I’ve been saying this forever. Calling an equal split “socialism” is, frankly, idiotic. MLB is one business with 30 owners and like any other business with multiple owners they collectively decide how to divide the revenue pie, so in fact, no matter what they decide, it is pure capitalism.
Sure ownership would love a salary cap. More money for them, less for the players. And this is the only reason they push for it. Parity in play has nothing to do with it. So stop entertaining this fantasy already.
The MLB revenue split system the owners have now is the one they want now. Everybody is profitable, even the smaller market teams. Do you hear them complaining? MLB will only change the revenue split system if this fat and happy system breaks down. That’s the reality. So don’t talk about sacrificing seasons to a cause that benefits only the owners and does nothing for fans.
Just what every other sport does since it’s the only reasonable option
Salary cap and floor . Fix tv mess it all teams play each other.
@Dodgerfan34 No.
Angels tried tapping into the LA market they changed the name…
Damn Cawmnists! Merika!
i was unaware that the NFL ever had local television contracts.
Works for the NFL.
So add another team to a two team city….one that won’t be supported by the already dug in fan base…..and let’s also share a third of the money with them. NO THANKS.
Are we talking football here?? Football is baseball’s little brother. Go cry to Mommy
All the players have caps:)
@giantsphan12 – The number of eyeballs in the media market brings the higher media income. There’s something of a correlation where higher population density tends to bring a higher cost of living. It’s not guaranteed so it’s not causal. Local taxes raise the cost of living more than many people seem to realize. Media market size is by far the greatest factor in media revenue.
It’s not rocket science. Rocket science is much more predictable, reliable, and repeatable.
Look at the A’s. They’re being forced to increase payroll because they just don’t spend. Who’s fault is that? Ownership. Same in Pittsburgh. Paul Skenes, assuming he stays healthy, is gone when he’s a free agent. Pirates fans know that because the team is continually under ownership who will not spend on star FAs, including their own. If the owners want to deal with the issue, they only have to look around their own room. It’s right in front of them.
@Paleobros
Hahaha!!!
NFL?
Not gonna happen when owners are as already pocketing the hundreds of millions they get now from revenue sharing.
MLB is the last players Union that has any strength. That’s why.
Bills v Chiefs in the AFC championship game how many times?
Ugh
It’s very much so
Guys, nfl has national TV contracts. There are no local networks to cause a disparity in team revenue.
Besides, let’s not get crush by the battle between billionaires and millionaires.
Every team owner is a billionaire, and can easily afford to pay players, but they are more comfortable pocketing profit money from their “business”. Ask Bob Nutting if he’d rather sign FAsto pair with Skenes or continue to pocket his $60-80mm???
This upcoming cba is going to be a mess
There’s not enough pitching talent to support the current teams. Expansion would further dilute the pitching talent.
You’d need to do what the NFL does. The media contracts need to be a national thing. No regional networks airing games. Good luck getting Boston to give up NESN or the Yankees to give up YES. The only way to make it fair though is to have a national network or streaming service air the games…Then everyone gets a piece of the pie even though some markets don’t even support their teams at all and don’t deserve that.
It’s a closed loop, Dodgerfan34, each franchise is dependent on the other for its existence (and exempt from anti-trust law, as well).
Walmart, Target, Amazon, and Costco, don’t depend on each other to do business – in fact they’d benefit from the demise of the others.
Tossing the “socialism” label around when you don’t agree with something, is mindless.
1 player in baseball has a much less effect on winning than football where the qb matters the most. NBA 1 star can carry a team(LeBron, Jordan). MLB doesn’t have parity when it’s a top 10 payroll team winning most times.
And it’s also indicative of some major personality issues.
Yes, and the same teams are always good! There are 5 or 6 teams in the NFL and MLB that are that have never won a championship! The NBA is even worse!
Baseball can’t do what football does because it’s not as popular. KC could play Tampa in the SB and get way bigger ratings than an LA NY WS.
FPG – you’re right on it! Every team is owned by a billionaire, or billion dollar entity. So, this is a question of business acumen, savvy and WILL.
Yes, the Dodgers may have the most, but no one is stopping a very profitable entity like Fenway Sports Group from going beyond $21mm to keep Walker Buehler.
This idea that players can’t age, or Pete Alonso’s fielding metrics stop him somehow from hitting home runs is ridiculous. It’s GMs and analytics departments showing hiw smart they are.
You can’t tell me that Alonso isnt better hitting behind Devers or Guerrero Jr, or Gunnar Henderson than whatever retread journeyman you sign for half the price is……
Tricky with teams like the Yanks & Cubs that own their own networks. It’s one thing to say pool all the national TV $ but another entirely to suddenly make private business non profit..
I found it interesting that 67% of respondents are in favor of socialism/against a free market while only 49% are willing to accept the consequences. That is still much higher than I expected. I think those numbers would change once the lockout began though.
Yep. MLB teams are competitive on the field, but not in business. The Yankees and Dodgers don’t want to drive teams out of business. They are more like a cartel. A cartel wants everyone to be able to conduct business, so why wouldn’t they split it evenly?
That is a much better solution than communism. The owners are currently enjoying a monopoly/crony capitalism/fascist system. The options being offered are either increasing the amount of socialism or cronyism. The best solution is to create a free open market. If a team can’t survive it goes under and another pops up elsewhere. Large markets support more teams. The minors become independent leagues in the free market scenario which could be rough. All players are free agents from day one.
My last post was a response to Southi’s adding teams to large markets comment.
Socialism is what the NFL and NBA have. It’s really hurting their popularity and player salaries.
The better plan would be for all teams strive to put the best product on the field. That would drive up revenue at the park level and fan interest in supporting said team watching on TV which would drive up TV revenue.
The Tampa Rays are a great example of a team that competes in a smaller market through smart investment in their team. They are often at the top of their division even when competing against the likes of the Yankees, Red Sox and Blue Jays.
If they can do it so can other teams except other owners like Nutter in Pittsburgh are greedy and pocket the profits.
What’s your point?
It should not be that way that’s the issue . MLB is broken . smaller revenue teams are just passing the good players to the rich. It’s been like that forever . If they are good arb kicks in and off to the rich . Revolving door. Sucks to be a fan with revenue disparity and owners crying poor . Rich driving price up more .
They only get 10’s of millions , but after the revenue sharing their amount goes up substantially.
I think they will want it to go up a lot more. The Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies and Cubs will not like it nor will they go down without a fight.
And, based on this fact alone you could make a strong argument that the Dodgers have not been run well.
We know they have, though. We see the evidence each year. With all this said, though, I don’t think this is evidence that every team already has a working system in place to develop competitive teams. Instead, the Dodgers can afford to compete each year while many others have to build towards 1 or 2 good years and then start over again.
If league was a level playing field fans would come . If each team has a chance to equally put a good product on the field financially. Look at Friedman what he has done with dodgers money. He could have done same in Tampa if the revenue is there.
“Calling the redistribution of wealth socialism is stupid because I like this idea but hate the word socialism so this can’t be that!”
And most of you credit them with only 1 championship. Then, as someone else pointed out, punish them for figuring it out. They don’t spend on every top free agent. They’ve let 3 300 million dollar shortstops leave in FA. Don’t rewrite history because it’s LAD. Root against them and for your team but don’t ruin baseball because 1 team is trying to repeat instead of “standing pat” and running it back again. AF and the rest of the FO guaranteed Ohtani they’d compete every year and spend the Ohtani contract savings. They told everyone their plan.
Devish- I could respond to your question of “how would a salary floor of $150M help the disparity of the game?” However I didn’t say that we have to have a floor of $150m, you did.
The Salary floor idea is one example of a solution to the bigger problem. My main point there- I believe there needs to be some kind of change in place that prevents owners from- A) Choosing to lose on purpose for multiple years to “Rebuild” and B) Franchise Relocation. Both of those philosophies are abhorrent and disgraceful. The demise of the once proud and storied Oakland A’s Franchise is disgusting and an embarrassment to the Sport. What if multiple owners across MLB did that to their teams? To your team!!
I brought up the example of the Premier League because their League doesn’t limit their spending. There is so much parity in the PL right now Nottingham Forest is in 2nd Place in the Table. If the PL (or MLB) did limit spending it might rid the fan of one of the greatest types of experiences available in Sport. ‘Slaying a giant,’ or the “David v Goliath” type of matches.
Many people are assuming the Dodgers spending is going to ruin Baseball. I’ll ask those people this- how many times has the team that ‘won the offseason’ gone on to win the WS? There is no other Sport like MLB. Spending loads of money on talent has never guaranteed you a WS. Lets wait to see if the LAD win 3 or 4 WS in a row before we declare the Sport has fundamentally changed forever
Dude. Socialism? Communism? The way you’re using those words makes me think you have no clue what they actually mean.
Baseballisthebest- yes and the PL also gives “parachute payments” to relegated teams who drop into the lower leagues. These payments (also from TV revenue) help the relegated teams cope with life in Championship where teams make less money from broadcast rights.
The point of making the example of the PL is that the Chairman of the PL doesn’t place a limit on a team’s spending. The PL is as exciting now than its ever been.
It’s always remarkable in a sad sort of way how many fans don’t seem to understand the first thing about how MLB works as a business. Many seem to believe that because the 30 teams compete with each other on grass and dirt that they are also business competitors. Nothing could be further from the truth.
They are 30 franchises in one business. They no more compete with each other than McDonald’s franchises compete with each other. In fact all of these franchises are set up geographically to NOT compete with each other’s businesses. This is the key factor MLB controls with team locations and why the teams have locks on their local media markets. This control is entirely by design, not some sort of unfortunate accident.
It also blithering idiocy to call the owners of MLB deciding how to slice and dice the game’s revenue “socialism” or “income redistribution.” This is a completely capitalistic exercise in keeping profits flowing to all the owners. This system keeps all the owners of MLB rolling in clover, and is why the system exists and persists. What the fans want doesn’t really enter into it.
With all due respect to Tim, I think this question was not well presented to readers. There is simply no evidence or little logic to suggest that a salary cap would benefit anyone but the owners. If the idea is increasing competitiveness, then this isn’t a way to do it. To do that, they need to share more revenue and reward success.
PS: One of the least talked about and most important reasons why the Dodger have so much money to spend is a perverse result of the bankruptcy. The court waived some of the revenue sharing requirements for media contracts in bankruptcy, so now the team is capturing more of their media deal revenue than they would have under the regular MLB rules. This made me wonder at the time why any franchise would not want to sell their team out of bankruptcy.
Hardly. Never ceases to amaze how few ppl know what that means.
Most likely because it’s not socialism.
@southi
1903 was the first year the Yankees debuted. Babe Ruth joined them in 1920. Pre-Ruth the Yanks only had 5 seasons with a winning record in 17 seasons. Post-Ruth the Yanks reel off 44 of 45 winning seasons up until 1965. They appeared in 29 and winning 20 of them. The Giants and Dodgers both existed 20 years prior to the Yanks 1903 debut. The Giants won a could of WS before the Yanks and a few after. The Dodgers went winless for almost 70 years before winning their first in 1955. The Yanks came into the league as the newbies and quickly established themselves as the best team in the city, with the best players and the largest fan base. BRAND LOYALTY. The Yanks are like McDonald’s. They have a brand. McDonald’s doesn’t care about the hot new franchise drive thru that was built next to them the same way the Yanks didn’t care about the Mets coming to town. Same city yet the Yanks have won many more WS than the Mets, have a much larger fan base and out grossed them by over $250 mil last year. Why repeat a mistake by bringing in an expansion team that has to create a new fanbase in a market already occupied by two well established and funded franchises. There’s a reason why the Giants and Dodgers left. They couldn’t compete in a market they had a20 year headstart on and they were only allowed to leave as a duo because there was a preexisting rivalry that both teams were dependent upon to be successful.
Fever, I know I’m in the minority but outside of Joe C, I have found the Sox radio group unlistenable.
@dunno
As for the notion of TV revenue sharing, it works for the NFL because the game is more of an event. The NFL teams reach play 18 games vs. the MLB, where they play 162 games. In today’s world, there’s an NFL game on Monday, Thursday, and Sunday. There’s seldom competition for same time game except for Sunday games and with the exception of the Thursday Amazon prime game and the Xmas Netflix game, all the games are on regular cable or free TV. You can’t do that with mlb. There are too many teams playing too many games. It’s much easier to market those games and choose the teams and match-up they expect to have the most interest. No one cares about the Pirates playing Reds in August. Even the Yanks vs. Blue Jay’s isn’t going to be of national interest for a lot of people. But I’m NY loyal fans want to watch every inning. It’s likely the same in Toronto. This they should keep the majority of that revenue but share the national TV show revenue on ESPN and regular national game of the week
Fever, one or two is not a pipeline. Ortiz was a lucky find in part due to PEDs. He’s in my Boston HOF but I believe he used and would never have voted for him for Cooperstown. Circumstantial evidence can convict in court…I still believe he just never got caught and used I. 16. Why did Henry change the Sox retirement number rule if it wasn’t because it was feared if he was outed, they wouldn’t have been able to do it? It’s a disgrace that Luis’ 24 and Evans’ 24 are not retired. In retrospect, just to have given those numbers out should not have happened
Well stated, ayrbhoy!
“this isn’t a way to do it”
Generally agree, but it is A way to move toward the competitive balance goal that fans have and owners will say they have. And as I said, it is the most obvious one and one I expect owners to attempt.
I actually do think it’s logical that capping spending on the high end would disperse good players more widely. Do you not think that’d happen?
This is not to say a cap is likely or players should want one.
Dewey – I can’t follow the thread here and don’t remember why I wrote about the radio guys, but I agree with you. The only radio/TV guy I like is Loomer.
I really miss Eck.
I heard JBJ and Hill will be doing Sox games this year.
Dewey – Much respect for questioning Ortiz, I’ve done the same in the past. The year when he broke the team HR record and had those mysterious heart related trips to the hospital … the smashing of the phone … the users he was closely associated with … but so many doing it, I don’t hold it against him.
Didn’t they change the retirement numbers long before Ortiz? It used to be start and finish with the Sox and be in the HOF. Pesky and Fisk didn’t meet those requirements.
Pool all television revenue and split the pie evenly.
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You can’t do that either. People pay billions more for large market teams in anticipation of receiving more revenue. If you share all the revenue, then Pitt’s value goes up by a billion and the RS goes down by a billion.
Exactly. What’s the incentive???
Socialism has worked well in the NFL for over 60 years thanks to the innovative work of Art Modell.
@Joe. The owners can do whatever they want. If parity in play was a goal they could figure out a revenue sharing system that accounts for all disparities including team revenue and market value. They are already shifting market value with the current CBT. The reality that many fans stubbornly refuse to accept is that MLB really isn’t interested in play parity. They are interested only in profitability for all of the owners, and they’ve got it. This is why the system exists as it does today.
@Grey. The incentive for what???
You’re only allowed to insinuate false information about teams and the way they operate?
Exactly…you now get the point….maybe lol
Hi G, I disagree with your premise. Mediocrity in the name of parity is a fallacy. Nobody wants to see the bare minimum…..
The Pirates fell into a pot of gold with Skenes. They haven’t spent any money at all. So, theyll get crowds at home when he pitches, but in August if they’re 15 games out, no one is going. Meanwhile, if they were to sign Alonso, and added someone cheaper like Paul De Jong they’d be on par with the rest of the division.
But they don’t because Nutting is happy just pocketing his handout from MLB.
Instead of a salary cap I’d much rather see a serious salary floor that forced these cheap owner to put a good product on the field.
Competition brings in the fans. And yes, the Dodgers and Yankees will always be who they are, but there’s no reason why the Mariners should be spending….
AND place a cap and floor on all teams. Owners and players need to stop strangling the Golden Goose, cause fans in cities other than Los Angeles and New York are fed up.
Well tell me I’m wrong but when someone wants to buy a MLB team, don’t they have to be approved by a MLB committee??? If they approve a Nutting, aren’t they getting what they want???
And speaking of a handout…..isn’t that exactly what I’m saying??? What’s the effin incentive!!!!!!!!!
Oh please, waving that old bugaboo around is pathetic. USA has many shared services that benefit everyone.
No, corporate capitalism. See J.P.Morgan and the creation of business trusts.
@Grey. Maybe you could try telling us what point you believe you made. Apply some of that grey matter to an answer.
Usurper — But is that the point? I think not. I believe fans in ALL MLB cities want to feel their team has a chance to compete, even if their market is small and they don’t have as deep pockets as the Dodgers, Mets and Yankees.
No one is suggesting that Bob Nuttingor any other small market owner should be able to pocket shared revenue and not attempt to sign and develop the best players, but to do that requires a CAP and a FLOOR.
|No one is suggesting that Bob Nuttingor any other small market owner should be able to pocket shared revenue and not attempt to sign and develop the best players, but to do that requires a CAP and a FLOOR.|
Not really…..just a floor. As they are
interviewing a potential buyer they have to pass “credit” question -are you committed to competing for wins? Oh Hell the real test should be the questions coming from the fan base. And be held accountable if after a certain amount of time goes by of failure, you are forced to sell. Sounds like an election process but to that point wouldn’t there be much more competition….
Yes, everyone here complained when the Mets went to $375M. The only reason they didn’t complain more is because the team was poorly constructed, with an emphasis on old, tired arms and flamed out.
|poorly constructed, with an emphasis on old, tired arms and flamed out|
Lol but it did restock the farm system!!
@Tim. I’m unpersuaded, especially because we are talking only in theory, without real numbers attached. A cap on the biggest spenders, especially one set well below today’s top payrolls, doesn’t require the smaller spenders to increase their payrolls by a dime.
So all you’ve really accomplished with a cap is suppress the payouts to the top free agents — and consequently player salaries in the aggregate. Ownership knows this, which is why they masquerade a cap as a competitive balance solution. Its hidden-in-plain-sight purpose is to reduce their costs. The union understands this too. Now it’s time for the fans to get it.
My feeling is the only sure way to increase competitive balance is on the revenue side and by rewarding on-field success instead of failure. But my point is MLB isn’t really concerned about competitive balance; they are only concerned about profitability. And this is the one and only reason why they push the cap idea.
I agree that MLB’s goal would be suppressing salaries, and parity is how they market it. This has always been the case.
I do think a cap would come with a floor.
I have been talking more to my head writers for other sports, and there are examples of the salary cap seeming to help disperse good players more. I am not saying this is the best way to add parity (however that is even measured), but I still believe it would add some.
I also agree that speculating on the effects of this is really tough without putting numbers on it, though. A 350 mil cap, for example, might have put Tanner Scott on the Cubs instead of the Dodgers. Have we added parity with that?
Only 1 ws to show for it
@Tim. Since you phrase this as a rhetorical question, you probably already know my answer is no, not really. The T. Scott question is a perfect one to consider. Him signing with one large market team over another doesn’t increase competitive balance, at least not in the way I understand the concept. We’re talking about a team that could spend more (and spend it more wisely) than they do. Either way, he isn’t going back to the Marlins.
Speaking of which, if salaries are capped, what’s to prevent the wealthy teams from programming a lot more funding for analytics, training, player development and scouting? This is the problem with only attacking the issue on the spending side. It’s a game of whack-a-mole. Teams with the money to spend and the willingness to spend it are going to find a way. Teams forced to spend more on salaries might well cut back in those other areas.
And speaking of floors, MLB does have one already, of a sort. Aren’t the A’s in the position of foregoing some of their revenue sharing if they don’t spend more on salaries?
BlueSkies, that was on the money. Thank you for some common sense in the midst of all the emotional blarney.
Sports are by default, socialist. Without a level playing field, there is no competition. Without competition, the league fails.
There was no pipeline. That would infer that they were coming from the farm system and they didn’t. The Sox traded for and signed a few great Dominican players. That’s it.
Couldn’t stand Eck. He was a presumptuous “Richard Noggin” that thought he knew more than anyone else and was so standoffish that it was nearly impossible to talk to him even during spring training.
I miss the Don Orsillo. He was fantastic.
A rising tide floats all boats.
If it put Scott on a good, young team that has seemed to be ready to take the next step like the Orioles, Reds, or Mariners, then yes it has gotten us closer to parity.
But those teams couldn’t even think about a $72 million closer because they don’t have the revenue to support that kind of expenditure.
Works for the NFL very well.
Baseball’s bigger problem is a lack of a salary floor.
Im all in favor of a salary cap and a hard cap at that
Reading through the replies about salary cap and its implications and idea of parity I noticed one topic didn’t come up in all those conversation: teams with cap issues
Just this past off season both chargers and dolphins ran into significant cap issues resulting in the trade of Keenan Allen, release of Mike Williams, and the release of Christian Wilkins some pretty big names became what’s known as cap casualties in the nfl. Arik Armstead of the 49ers too. Deebo Samuel may be traded to get Purdy extension done this offseason. McCaffrey could also be traded or cut as well knowing shahanans system is rb friendly. Depends what they do at the QO position. Tee Higgins is a free agent to be cause burrow got paid and Chase needs to be paid. So caps do add talent to be had via trade or FA
So yes. I do believe a hard cap is capable of adding parity to the MLB cause teams in both NFL and NBA have to make decisions about who to keep and who to not keep but when teams run into financial issues some big names get added to the market to reduce cap implications for teams.
Shut it down, Bernie.
Bring SD- Everything you just described is a negative force on player earning potential. Way to keep that money in the owner pockets! This is why monopolies love socialism in the form of fascism. Equity leads to a smaller piece of the piece for everyone
I think any baseball fan who knows what they’re talking about has been complaining about this since the 2010s. It’s just becoming more and more haves and have nots in the MLB.
wish there were an option to vote for a floor but no cap
Suppose my assumption is that that could never happen.
dasit – As others have pointed out, there is a floor ….. 26 X MLB minimum. No team is allowed to have fewer than 26 on their active roster.
But yeah, what’s happening with the Athletics should be a standard rule ….. raise the payroll or you get disqualified from receiving revenue sharing.
And the soft cap does deter spending, just not as much as some people like …. so they can simply raise the penalties for going above the highest threshold. It’s not that complicated, let teams spend as much as they want if they are willing to pay more than 100% tax on salaries. At some point the additional revenue that’s generated will be surpassed by the cost of players and that will dissuade the teams from continuing to spend so much on players.
Again the 30 MLB teams are a partnership, they are not true competitors off the field.
A floor combined with much more aggressive revenue sharing would work fine.
Revenue sharing teams have a floor in a way right? Mlbpa files a grievance and they lose their welfare. It’s the non-revenue sharing teams that can really circle the bowl without consequence. (White Sox we’re looking at you). They are like the dead beat Dad that works cash jobs under the table to avoid paying for their kids. Makes enough to get by without that government check.
So does Tony Clark!
Dodgers receive $540 million in local revenue. Put 48% of that in a pot shared with rest of the league and get 1/30th of total pot back. Still have $280 million of local revenue left after putting 48% in pot.
Pirates, Rays, Marlins, Reds, etc… have $130-$140 million in local revenue. Put 48% of that in a pot shared with rest of the league and get 1/30th of total pot back. Still have $67-70 million of local revenue left after putting in 48%.
Difference is $210 million or more annually. No team is getting close to that in revenue sharing. The highest is $75 million.
The difference in local revenue between the Dodgers and those teams on the bottom is nearly as much as the total revenue of the bottom 5 teams.
I should clarify that is just local TV, ticket, and verified in stadium sales for the Dodgers. We don’t know for sure what their sponsorship and in stadium advertising revenue is so I did not add that.
If I had to guess I would say another $35-40 million total.
baseball – When you remove the incentive for big market teams to generate huge TV revenue by spending on star players, then they stop spending on star players and their TV revenue crashes which means their revenue sharing payments go down significantly too. So then EVERYONE loses.
For 81 games a year the Dodgers help other teams make a killing by playing away from Dodger Stadium. Isn’t that enough?
Disincentivizing is never the answer, except when the question is how do you make something worse.
Stealing signs, wrong. LOCAL revenue is split, but the top teams have nearly 3 times as much local revenue as the bottom teams so that means that the top 2 teams have more local revenue left after that 48% is put into the amount shared than the bottom teams have in total revenue once everything is shared including national TV, licensing and merchandising, and those revenue sharing checks,.
What needs to be done is forced spending of 100% of shared money. Teams that are subsidized by revenue sharing should be forced to spend everything or be cut off for a period of time.
Agree. But it’s also quality of ownership and management. Take the Rays for example. They field a very competitive team each year yet the community doesn’t really support the team via attendance. They are one of the best run teams from a talent generation and development standpoint and have been for years. They deal effectively with their small market by knowing when to trade ML talent for other close to MLB-ready talent. And their drafts and international signings are always providing a high quality pipeline through their system. Oakland, Pittsburgh, the White Sox (large market team) to name a few, are seriously deficient in talent evaluation and development. No salary cap fixes that. Nor does new ownership of those teams because those ownership groups hang on from a spending perspective until one day they sell for many millions more than they paid. Salary cap attempts will harm the players and the fans the most. The NHL is an example where you have a small number of teams that lead the leagues and a large number clustered around .500!!! Fans of the game grow weary of mediocrity.
I wish MLBTR would stop lying on behalf of MLB owners. See my expanded comment below or Mark Cubans comments when asked about buying the Pirates. This poll is so disingenious and either MLBTR is entirely uninformed or willing to tell half-truths for access. Its really dissapointing every time they speak on revenues.
I’m being accused of being in the tank for owners? That’s a new one.
Why else won’t you be honest about mlb revenues? That logic was an assumption, I’ll give you that.
Maybe spell out what the lie was? Like quote it?
How is he being dishonest? Explain clearly.
The post specifically states that most teams don’t open their books to the public, which makes transparency on team revenue speculative at best and pretty much impossible at worst.
Have you read Mark Cubans comments? Are you unaware most teams profit millions then claim to be poor? Surely not? 200M wouldn’t even be 50% of most teams revenue. Compared to the capped NBA that’s significant. If you know these things then don’t report them I consider it a lie.
You have access to all 30 teams’ books? Can I see?
If you need 100% verified information for all 30 teams then you’re setting a bar we all know is unachievable. Again maybe I can’t prove what Cuban is saying but he has no reason to lie and it aligns with the limited data we do have. I guess all I’m saying is typically you question poor narratives and it’s dissapointing to see you further this one.
Everything Cuban said aligned with what is known from the financial data the 2 publicly traded teams are required to release to the public.
Don’t know what comment of his this is referring to.
However, I do remember when he was looking onto buying the Pirates. After doing a deep dive (with I’m sure help from consultants digging out financial numbers and MLB bylaws) he made the statement that he would only be interested in buying a large market team. He more or less said the only way he could compete otherwise would be to take a financial loss in order to sign the quality players it took to win.
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I hope the Dodgers win the WS again in 2025. And I fully expect that as they suffer injuries and players having poor seasons in 2025, they’ll be right up there taking on larger contracts in return for so-so prospects that they’ll trade.
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One other point that I keep expressing…..
Ownership (sometimes groups) that buys a ML franchise makes a large down payment, and usually finances the rest, so they have debt payments to make. They assume financial liabilities. They are forever negotiating with players agents, unions, municipalities, tax collectors, local, state, and federal agencies. Obviously they have to hire people to help them with this, and those people don’t bill $50 an hour.
Point being that I see no reason why the smallest market team owner doesn’t the right to a profit. Who goes in business to lose money? These are not government agencies that can demand more help from the federal government that forever prints money which all American consumers pay for via inflation. Had I the money to buy a ML team I’d surely put it elsewhere. Unless I saw something I’d like to get involved in that would help my my country better, I’d just as soon put the money in some sort of tax=deferred bonds and enjoy my life without the hassles following me around 24/7/365.
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2025 is going to prove to be a major turning point in American history. We are a country based on law. And law always comes down to “reasonableness” (i.e. Is the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.)
America has gone overboard on too many issues for far too long, and can no longer sustain itself. Pointing fingers at one another and arguing hasn’t worked. We will either come back to being reasonable or some American institutions will crumble (as many already have).
Pro sports are in business for the national fans / consumers. The NFL has top teams this year in Baltimore, Buffalo, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, Detroit, and what looks like an ongoing dynasty in Kansas City. The NBA’s division team leaders today are in Cleveland and Oklahoma City.
Unless MLB eliminates their excesses quickly, it’s doomed. Fans around America aren’t stupid. They aren’t going to support their MLB teams being the Harlem Globetrotters. They have other sports that they can follow year-round in which their team doesn’t have to spend 5 years “rebuilding”.
If a small market owner can’t make a profit then maybe there shouldn’t be a team there. For example, does Ohio need two teams if they can’t make a profit? Why should any successful team be bailing them out? If they can’t make it, oh well, shut it down.
Or maybe there needs to be two separate leagues like in soccer where teams can move up or down depending upon their performance.
Explain how a salary cap would induce or compel an owner like Bob Nutting to put a more competitive team on the field, instead of acting as though a cap by definition would lead to a more equitable distribution of players. Until you do, you and other cap advocates are selling a false story. Start with the problem and then offer the solution that addresses the problem.
All Fans are bias…I know to know what the owner and players want. Salary cap $500 mill – floor $200 mill…what gets a salary put in place..
May I suggest writing an article on MLB being a monopoly & in violation of Anti-trust laws? Remedy the real problem instead of distracting & redirecting the uneducated & uninformed.
ghost – Just like the Harlem Globetrotters need the Washington Generals, MLB needs bad teams. The bad teams help expand MLB’s presence, and they make the good players on good teams look a lot better.
Take for instance one of the most celebrated games of last season, Ohtani’s game in Miami.
6-for-6
3 homeruns
2 stolen bases
10 RBI
50th steal of the season
50th homerun of the season
Would that performance have happened against a good team? Absolutely not!
it’s a shame teams like the Pirates and Reds have been so bad for so long, as they were once great baseball cities. Poor management and a declining local economy have a lot to do with it.
Do they deserve revenue sharing? Yes, as long as they are not turning large profits by keeping the payroll down.
They – All four professional sports leagues are a monopoly.
NFL has zero competition.
NBA has zero competition.
NHL used to have competition (WHA) but that didn’t last long.
Fever- Maybe they are referring to the US giving MLB a waiver on being a monopoly? Sure there are plenty of monopolies out there and the government ignores them, but MLB actually has a legal right to their monopoly.
Wade – Good point, thank you!
He tried to buy the cubs in 2009 as well. The owners have to have a unanimous vote to approve it. They did not do that. The reason was his controversial past with the nba.
Wow, conspiracy much? Lying on behalf of owners? :Like when Bob Nutting lies about improving the team or Dick Monfort deludes himself into thinking the Rockies are a .500 team with wild card possibilities?
I don’t know that the players would ever go for no differed money, after all, it’s been around forever. But I do wonder if they could work in something similar to the nhl does with retained salaries. A team can only have x amount of deferred contracts during a given period.
MLBTR can you please have another article that explains deferred money so this doesn’t keep coming up?
We should explain deferred money more, yes. I might prefer to have an economist write that though.
No, it needs to be written with small words.
What’s to explain? Nobody thinks, they just sound off at “deferred money”. If the herd took their idiot-logic one step further, shouldn’t the $68M annual bill due in 9 yrs to Ohtani severely affect the Dodgers spending in 2034, because that $68M would then be crippling payroll. When in reality, that contract is off the books and the Dodgers are onto the next superstar free agent
I read an article at Pivotal180 from Matt Davis on Jan 3rd of 2024 that helped me understand it a little better. I still have a disconnect on why Ohtani’s contract on the books is listed at $70 million a year for 10 years, but the CBT is only $46 million. What is the point of the payroll listing if it doesn’t really count for anything except talking points for Ohtani’s agent?
It will take congress to intervene and force the issue. Players, ownership, or both will prevent this from happening.
League needs a floor and ceiling.
Oh, yeah, Congress. They can’t get anything done and you’re willing to let them fix it. The US Congress is a clusterf@!k. And it only gets worse on Jan 20th. Instead of the national anthem there will be prayer readings before games.
VermonsterSD, There’s nothing wrong with deferring money. That can work to the benefit of small market teams as well. What they should change is how it’s computed for the CBT. A 10 year, $700M contract ought to carry a $70M AAV hit for the CBT, regardless of when the team actually pays out that money.
That really wouldn’t make sense though. It’d assume time value of money just isn’t a thing
The time value is a thing, but that’s different from money paid against the CBT. I see them as being separate issues.
I thought the purpose of deferring money was to provide a team more operating capital. But it seems it’s being used to reduce the tax hit instead.
What does time deferred value matter in calculating luxury tax? Luxury tax is a made up system by baseball. That system can be calculated however they want. The current system is creating an unfair playing field and is nothing more then a tax dodge for teams playing in high taxed states.
@Jean The cost to fund the deferral is what teams are charged against luxury tax. It in no way minimizes luxury tax hit.
I can think of a few examples where something goofy was done with a contract to create an artificial lower CBT hit, and MLB led it slide. The Padres’ Michael Wacha signing was a great example.
I did not see Ohtani as such and still don’t. Explained it here:
mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/why-shohei-ohtanis-cont…
To “reduce” the CBT hit, a contract would have to use deferred money to create a CBT hit that is way lower than what it would’ve been had the player signed a normal contract.
Blake Snell’s CBT hit is $31.7MM. The $36.4MM figure on his contract is not real. He has $66MM that doesn’t start getting paid out until 2035.
I wrote in a mailbag recently – if he could’ve gotten 36.4 mil per year with no deferrals somewhere – he would’ve done that! It would’ve been like pocketing another 40 mil or something.
@metsin4
Tax Dodgers
Jean and Tim, nice point and counter. This is going to be the best comment section we see for awhile.
@goob Obviously you don’t understand that deferrals how they are funded and count against luxtax are outlined in CBA. Because you lack understanding of something does not make it nefarious
@Jean Its not avoiding the luxury tax in any way. The cost of funding the deferral is what is counted. Deferalls are a way for players to hedge their investments and provide piece of mind and another layer of financial security. They are essentially not putting all their eggs on one basket and on top of that having someone else protect a separate basket for them.
In Ohtani’s case I presume they were bolstering the total # of the contract further building upon his mystique and bolstering his endorsement revenue. If that was the case they did an amazing job as his contract and deferrals are still mentioned regularly. And as they say in marketing there is no such thing as bad press.
@Jean Please explain how time value of $ is not a thing. The Dodgers are paying $44M annually to fund the deferrals, the other $22M is accrued interest by a 3rd party. The true cost to the Dodgers is $46M(44+2). That $46M is what is being counted against the tax, it is pretty simple and no financial trickery going on.
Read my post again. I did not say that time value of dollars wasn’t a thing. In fact, I said it was a thing.
But I see the choice to defer money is between the club and the player in how and when the money is paid, and is a separate issue from the CBT.
If a team announces a deal with a player that’s 10 years, $400M, the hit should be $40M, regardless of the agreement between the player and team in how and when that money is paid. If it’s a $400M deal for 10 years, then it’s a $400M deal for 10 years.
Couldn’t agree more Jean, not counting the AAV against the CBT is the problem.
@beersy Ohtani counts $46M against the cap. The Dodgers pay him $2M per year as well as fund the deferral with $44M annually. They are charged the present day value which is also ultimately what they are paying him.
Jean, that is exactly what should happen.
You’re confused. The Dodgers DO pay out $70m every year now, not 10 years from now. It just goes into escrow instead of Ohtani’s pocket. For lux tax purposes the present value is used, about $46m.
Seamaholic, the Dodgers are paying Ohtani $2 million in salary and putting $44 million in an interest bearing account which is then placed in escrow. They are not paying out anything close to $70 million per year.
@Baseballisthebest
And all the many MILLION$ of compounded money that accumulate over all those years, accrues only to the Dodgers – not to Ohtani, right?
Yes, this is why Teams are ok with deferrals.
Goov, Yes. Ohtani is not being paid interest on the deferred salaries. Only the Dodgers are benefiting. Ohtani is in essence being paid $46 million per year due 10 years because the spending power of the $68 million annually in deferred salaries is about $44 million.
Only the Dodgers benefit from the deferral.
No, the accrued interest on the $46M is the money that Ohtani is paid that makes it $70M.
It’s $46M now, $2M to Ohtani, $44M into an escrow account. It pays out the $46M plus the interest, $70M
@Baseballisthebest. This is incorrect. In fact deferrals are treated exactly like loans, and are so called in the CBA. The interest rate on those loans is also defined in the CBA. You could look it up.
If deferrals only benefited the team, no player would take one. They take them because deferrals allow the teams to offer a larger guarantee. And this is because the money the player lends to the team can be invested by the team at a much higher rate of return than the very modest loan interest rate set in the CBA. Why other teams are not being more aggressive with deferrals IDK, but I guess the Dodgers have an edge here because their owners are more confident in their ability to make money with money.
Blue, Ohtani gets no interest on the money deferred. Read the articles about it. There is no benefit to Ohtani to defer salary other than giving the team he plays for more money to pay other players.
Ohtani only took that level of deferred salary because he earns $30 million in endorsements off the field. No other MLB player can afford to defer as much.
Ohtani’s deferred money accounts for 71% of all money deferred by the Dodgers.
That is why no other team is giving as much in deferred salaries. The players won’t take them at anywhere close to that level.
This is completely false. Deferred compensation is explicitly defined in the CBA as a loan to the team and the terms are fully described, including setting how much interest must be paid. This is precisely how they arrive at the contract’s present value. Look this up yourself if you don’t believe it.
A salary floor is what’s needed, and to get rid of the deferred money, no question.
luckyh; a salary floor, YES!
No deferred money? If the player has no problem with it, why should any of us fans have an issue with it.
There’s no problem with deferred money, and the Dodgers aren’t the only team that structured contracts that way. They’re just the only team that people hear about in the media. It’s a good thing for the team AND the players, most of whom are millionaires already. Spreads their earnings out for many years past their retirement. Other MLB teams have deferrals but it’s not publicized.
Getting a salary cap wouldn’t change anything other than putting more money on owners pockets.
Set a hard cap, and limit deferred money to a specific percentage of the contract
Deferred $ does nothing. Ohtani is still costing Dodgers $46M annually. All the deferrals do is allow $ to accrue and players deferring payment due not assume risk until the deferrals are collected.
Here’s my pitch:
1) 100% of media rights money is pooled.
2) 80% of ticket sales profits after all gameday expenses is pooled.
3) Of the revenue pool, the first 84% is split evenly among all teams.
4) The remaining 16% of the pool is split as follows: 1% to each division winner. 0.5% to a WC recipient. 1% to each ALCS/NLCS winner, 0.5% to runner-ups in the ALCS/NLCS. 1% to the WS winner.
Then we set a salary floor equal to, say, 70% of revenue sharing, otherwise you forfeit the unspent share to the other teams the following season.
Owners want to make money? They’ll need to WIN.
Or they can 100% tank and still receive 84% of all receipts.
Dropped – did you miss the part where I said if you’re not spending 70% you FORFEIT the money not spent?
Pretend it’s a $6 billion pot were talking.
A 1% share is 60 million. Your WS winner is going to net $150m as a wild card or $180m as a division winner. Just making the WC is a $30m payday.
Similarly, the 1/30th share of the base pool? Thats $168m at the start. 70% of that, is $117.6m… that’s your player salary floor.
So, the most an owner can lay their hands on before paying managers, staff, scouts, draft bonuses, intl signing bonuses, and all the other non-player payroll expenses that do not relate to gameday stadium operations is 50.4m…
By the time you just pay those business expenses out of that 50.4m??? There’s not much to pocket.
I think you missed the 70% salary floor and that anything you didn’t spend towards that is forfeit and awarded among the other teams.
GASOX, I would be ok with your plan if instead of playoffs you had used games won in the regular season. With the expanded playoffs winning is a crapshoot.
How do you envision a deferred money ban working? Presumably current contracts would be grandfathered in. So a deferred contract ban would basically be MLB saying “the Dodgers are allowed to have deferred contracts, but no one else is.”
You guys need to think this through a bit more.
I don’t envision a deferred money ban working at all. And since deferred money has zero impact on payroll it would be pointless anyways.
Deferred money has a huge impact on the CBT calculations.
I’d just be happy for an International Draft.
The whole Sasaki thing wouldn’t have happened. And the Int players should be at least 18; this whole drafting kids when they’re 16 should stop.
Sasaki was on a professional team, so he and players like him should not be subjected to a draft. They’re not going to play here if they’re forced to play for a team that has no interest in putting a quality team on the field.
@ghostofmookiebetts
Couldn’t they incorporate a posting system into such a draft?
The drafting MLB team would have to compensate the player’s existing team – substantially – if the player chooses to accept the drafting team’s offer.
goob – your idea doesn’t seem like a bad one if drafts were implemented. I just don’t think a draft of players that are already professionals in their country is a good idea.
Rich get richer system is the issues fans are tired of . League is broken teams that are rich in revenue has made it that way !!
The only thing fans should be tired of is their teams that are clearly not making an effort to win.
To not be recognize other leagues free agency rights would be a pretty rough look.
The only reason Roku was not subject to the draft is because David Ortiz and Fernando Tatis Jr threw a fit to the union over the bonuses it would cost Dominican players.
Why get rid of deferred money this should actually benefit mid and small markets but they won’t use it. Grab a talent you couldn’t normally afford kick the payment down the road and hope he plays good enough to make your money back. This is a lotto ticket for mid teams and they won’t use it. I won’t fault the dodgers for doing it.
Not how deferrals work
the payment isn’t being kicked down the road, the current value of the deferral has to be set aside within two years.
Social Security is a deferred payment program
401K’s are deferred payment programs
MLB has had deferred payments in contracts since Free Agency inception in 1976
Deferred payments not only ensure income down the road after playing days have ended, they also maximize contract value for the player.
The players union – all unions for that matter – exist to ensure players are compensated in benefits and monetarily to the highest attainable level. It would be counterproductive for the players to agree to eliminate deferred payments.
For owners, being able to invest present day money and get a return that covers players deferred salaries is good business
Deferred money won’t cause a strike/lockout because it won’t even be a bone of contention. It’s good for players and owners.
There are fans that don’t like deferred money but I can’t remember a CBA negotiation in which fans opinions were entertained.
Spot on Lasanga!
Great points here.
The owners want a cap; the players want deferred money. There will not be a cap, because the players will force the owners to open their books, which will in turn show that a cap would be a restrictive trade policy–and likely cause MLB to lose its antitrust exemption.
Fans who want a cap need to let their teams’ owners know they are tired of their skinflint ways.
Yup, when the Pirates fans start boycotting games they’ll all get the message. It won’t work with Rays/Marlins fans since they have been boycotting baseball , in general, for 20 years.
Deferred money is beneficial to ownership as well. Unless they are trying to sell the franchise.
#Vermonster. LAD has to pay the present value each year of deferred money. LAD doesn’t get to defer payments until future years. You could argue present values are slightly less than future values and therefore reduce current LAD payrolls. Then you’d have to determine if players get more actual dollars because they have to wait for payments or if the deferred deal is done at the request of players. Eliminating deferred payments won’t change the issues of salary cap, team parity, etc.
Can’t we do all the above? Make a cap, stop Rev sharing and cap any deferred money. Also put in a floor while you’re at it. Let’s do a little something for Pittsburg and Tampa while weee at it.
@thebirds Do you understand that deferred $ is already outlined in CBA? It doe not create a competitive advantage and how ot counts again luxury tax has already been addressed.
Technically a floor already exists, there is a minimum that has to be spend to field a team under rules within CBA. That floor is woefully inadequate to field a truly competitive team but it exists.
Creating a much higher floor comes with risk of inflating salaries. There is no perfect answer but the system that’s already in play is a start, I’d say making penalties on both ends much harsher would do much more.
Im not usually for a salary cap but, it would make a minimum salary cap to . So teams like the marlins and the pirates would have to spend up a certain amount of fines I like tat idea of a salary cap
F*** NO
No. I would not trade any season for a salary cap. Move on.
A season the dodgers or Mets would win anyways?
Because the Mets are perennial World Series champions right?
They will be.
Yeah, cause the Mets are such a juggernaut.
The Dodgers and the Yankees just met in the World Series for the first time in 43 years. The year prior it was the Rangers and D’Backs. There’s been more diversity and parity in MLB than any of the major sports.
Introduce a soft salary floor to match the soft salary cap. Change the deferred money structure. A few others changes. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Maybe a progressive salary floor. Houston and Philadelphia would have higher floors than Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Just spit balling…
If you have the parity you describe what changes need to be made?
Royals have won it twice since the Yanks
Giants have won it 3 times since the Yanks
Marlins have at least one Anaheim has at least one. There’s no need to change a system that is not broken and no it’s not broken because of what the Dodgers are doing. Playing chess while 29 play checkers gets my respect.
Introducing a salary floor is just gonna lead to bottom tier players being overpaid. A floor doesn’t make the White Sox pursue Soto. It’s not the solution. It would up the pay of the 23rd man on the roster cause that’s where it would go. “Got a week to hit the floor go grab so and so and pay them”.
The system is broken. The playoffs are complete luck, so that explains why there are so many different champs. However, the system is broken because certain teams are virtually guaranteed a seat in the postseason each and every year.
It is not a case of one team playing chess while the other plays checkers. It is a case of one team buying 10 bingo cards while the other 29 get one each. It’s not a case of one organization outthinking the rest, it is the rich kid having all the best toys.
Royals won once, went twice.
Royals have won twice.
There has been diversity among MOST of the playoff spots, but the Dodgers almost occupy one and the Yankees almost always occupy one. They are not smarter than the rest, they are richer than the rest and are virtually guaranteed one of the twelve spots in the postseason every year. In a TRULY level playing field, every team should make the postseason 4 out of 10 years and every team should miss 6 out of 10 years. But when teams like the Dodgers and Yankees (and now Mets) NEVER have to tear down and rebuild it makes it that much harderfor the team that do have to.
I love this idea. If the current owners cannot (more like will not) meet the new salary minimums, they must sell the team. Miami and Colorado are a disgrace.
Yes but not since the Yanks last won, which is what he said.
Colorado had the 16th highest payroll in the game in 2024 and as of right now have the 19th highest payroll for 2025. They were bad, but they weren’t bad because they were cheap.
I would. I say burn it to the ground and start over
Remind me the last thing to get better after being burned to the ground. I’m blanking.
Trotski- Germany
You’ve never heard of the concept of controlled burns?
Every forest and grassland on the planet burns to the ground when they get out of hand. The ashes provide the nutrients for new better life. Mlb is on the verge of experiencing the same. Probably before 2026.
Nonsense!
Seriously have a beer and breathe ok? You seem like a nice person but MLB isn’t burning down anytime soon.
Hey buddy!!!
@Jeremy Except this is a business not an organic ecosystem. The 2 are not comparable.
braves66: What an amazingly dumb comment.
@lordS99,
Are you a Dodgers or Yankees fan?
The amount of people in this poll that allegedly would is kind of concerning…
You must be a fan of one of the big 12 market teams out there. Fans of mid to small market teams want this as shown by the poll.
I’m fine with the mix being changed for competitive purposes, but a full blown cap with full revenue sharing simply won’t work. This is not the NFL, which is a national game, and it’s not a national sport because of a hard cap. That’s a false equivalency that some fans toss about. The Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees will still have to cover a huge portion of the revenue shared, while the Tampa Bay Rays will be considered equal. There are other tweaks they can make, and likely will. Let’s start with the addition of a corresponding soft salary floor with penalties similar to the luxury tax. Small market teams won’t want it, but they have to pull their share on some level. If they can’t afford it, sell and bring in owners who can.
How about stopping deferred money? Even with a Salary cap players take pay cuts to ring chase. The players in the NBA do that.
Deferred $ is still required to be funded annually as outlined in the CBA. Stopping Deferred $ would do nothing except appease the financially illiterate.
It is amazing how many people actually think the Dodgers don’t have to pay for Ohtani’s services until he’s due to receive it in 10 years, isn’t it? Like, why would Ohtani sign a contract that lets the Dodgers do that? But people are really naive about money.
I think people just want it to be a full cap hit. Who cares how and when they player is being paid but Ohtani should be a 70m cap hit per year.
Deferred $ is tax evasion in the case of Ohtani and the Dodgers!!
“Evasion” implies it’s illegal. Let me tell you about people forming Delaware and Nevada corps.
Why stop deferred money? It is still paid into an escrow account annually. How many times must this be explained? Forget the deferred money and just enjoy the game.
Because of how it is calculated in terms of how it affects the luxury tax threshold.
@Dickie It is counted in present day value. That value is the principal needed to accrue to the value of payment later. Present day value is what the team is ultimately paying. It has no bearing on the luxury tax threshold. Apparently it’s some type of black magic tho to the financially illiterate.
Which is $46 million and not $70, correct? What’s the loophole here if there is one? What about the $2 million some are claiming he is getting or got last season /this upcoming season? I am legitimately financially illiterate when it comes Shohei’s contract so please explain it to those of us in the most basic terms and understandable language.
$46M is paid out, $2M to Shohei, $44M to an escrow account where it accrues interest at a predetermined rate until the day it gets paid out to him. At that time the payout will be $70M.
Dodgers only pay $46 total and there is no additional due from them. Shohei gets the extra for waiting.
There is no extra. The buying power of $68 million when its paid out is the same as the $44 million that the Dodgers pay into the interest bearing account that the place in escrow. Ohtani doesn’t gain anything from this. If he didn’t have $30 million per year in endorsements income coming in he couldn’t do it. No other players have over $7 million in endorsements and only one is over $4 million. No other player could do that.
He will be paid out $68M in 10 years, $70M minus the $2M he’s paid up front.
You have it backwards. Money now is worth more than future money, that’s why there has to be more of it.
Anyone saying yes is delusional. Missing a season would be terrible 1 week in
I dont think that’s the crux of the question really. Essentially Tim is asking if you’d trade a season to level the financial playing field. However in a manner that screws players and protects owners, completely ignoring the root of the issue. The real question is are you comfortable missing a year of baseball to hold owners accountable financially in my opinion. Even if this proposal wouldn’t accomplish that.
Hold owners accountable for what exactly? Trying to make a modest profit on a $2 billion investment?
What comprises “a modest profit?” Year-over-year profits certainly vary, but franchise values have been skyrocketing for decades. That’s where the real money is.
I don’t understand why people bring up franchise value, that makes no difference. If my franchise is worth 4 billion, but I don’t plan on selling it for 30 years then what does it matter how much it’s worth. If I buy a franchise now for 4 billion then how long will it take to recoup that money.
Yikes. What a small simple world you live in with that vision.
@soxfan Rich people leverage their assets. These owners almost certainly borrowing against the value ofbthe franchises generating capital they are investing elsewhere for a larger gain. As well as using it to shuffle funds to and from utilizing tax code to their advantage.
Then buy a team and reap the rewards. there, fixed it for you, gbs42.
Sick burn, Dave.
If I could afford to buy a team, I wouldn’t be concerned with earning “a modest profit” from the team every year. I could live comfortably off my remaining billions.
Also, do people really think teams don’t make a profit most years?
@For the love of the game
Show me where ANY owner including Cohen has spent $2 billion and I’ll show you Jerry Reinsdorf $19 million via LLP, George Stenibrenner $8.8 million, the list is endless & they’re all bought on debt repayments NOT cash money. Great business people, but it is TV & streaming, tickets & concessions that buy the debt, not the owner…
gbs42 – I’m curious to see if the Twins sale price is over or under the valuation now that the Bally media bubble has burst for small market teams. I predict under current valuations.
CardsFan57, I’m also curious if the local TV broadcast situation for so many teams is the long-predicted (as in 100+ years) beginning of the end of baseball or just a temporary adjustment as MLB gets all teams streaming their broadcasts, with revenues continuing to grow.
With the splintering of viewership for everything and the average MLB fan’s age continuing to rise, it’s possible MLB has peaked. We’ll see…
Probable a return of 5-7% though higher if inflation exceeds 2-3%. So a business valued at 2 billion would be expected to generate $100 mil to $140 mil in profits. Pretty gross, but that is the nature of our form of capitalism.
Note that even if the owner paid less for their franchise, most would expect a return on how much the franchise is currently valued at. Granted, it is gross but that is our system.
Profit percentage is based on net revenue, not market cap.
The average S&P 500 company has 4 times the revenue of the average MLB team. Over the last 24 years they averaged 7.25% gross margins and 3.67% net margins.
MLB is a business and they should make a profit. Like the businesses in the S&P 500 how much they make should be reported and available to the people buying their product. Especially since taxpayers fund 41% of their real property costs.
Eventually the ownership group of the teams gets to sell at a huge average annualized profit on the value because you and I paid a large chunk of their start up costs.
Not really. Unless you have nothing else in your life & MLB is your whole personality. If that’s the case the the season being gone would probably be a good thing.
2020 was a lost season. Was rough but we survived and we got nothing out of it. At least this would lead to some good.
Nevrfolow,
I struggle to see what good a salary cap really would lead to. Owners would save money, and players would get less. Would things be more competitive? Maybe, but it’s not like the teams spending $100M now would start spending anywhere close to the cap.
What would you set the hard cap at? The Dodgers, Mets, and Yankees have shown than annual expenditures on baseball operations include CBT taxes in excess of $400 million are still very profitable. So any hard cap would have to be at least $400 million or it would negatively impact player salaries. Are you guys with that kind of cap?
The MLBPA is already complaining about the low level of the CBT and the extreme penalties that were bot trickling down to lower revenue teams. They are saying that the CBT in the next CBA should start at $280 million with lower penalties for going over.
The players are already saying they are underpaid as a whole. We learned in the last CBA negotiations that the players were earning just 37% of the revenue of the sport while in other major sports the players were guaranteed a minimum of 48% and up to 52%.
The MLBPA is saying that while that share has risen 2-3% since 2021, the disparity is too large and much of that is attributable to the CBT. Most teams treat the CBT threshold as a hard cap even though their revenue would allow them to surpass it.
Because of those things and the lack of transparency on finances of baseball, a cap will never happen.
In fact, with only 4 teams surpassing their 2024 payroll while Manfred in his state of MLB talk said that revenue of the sport grew, I can see players holding a hard line on both the CBT and any kind of hard cap.
The players don’t care if it’s 5 or 6 teams spending a large portion more or all of them spending more as long as more is spent on player payroll.
No salary cap came in when the Yankees were lapping the field in terms of payroll, why should it happen cause its the Dodgers doing it?
The dodgers are different the Yankees didnt buy championships they just assembled really good teams through farm and FA and trades
What are you talking about there? George literally signed all kinda of big players. Reggie Jackson, Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, etc. yes they assembled a good team with Jeter, Mo, Posada… 2009 they signed CC, Tex and Burnett and won a WS.
I’m guessing this is a joke
Sounds a lot like the Dodgers of the past decade.
The Yankers bought every single one of their championships, starting with buying Ruth, continuing with buying every KC Athletic when the owners needed to pay rent and still buying their talent.
sad tormented: And the Dodgers are assembling really good teams through farm and free agents and trades.
How are the Dodgers any different from the Yankees?
@bluebaron…assembling good teams through farm? They have one homegrown starter (rotation or position) and that’s Will Smith. Their farm has not yielded a thing in years other than inflated rankings for players that suck when they get promoted to the bigs.
ChipperChop: MLB executives rank the Dodgers farm system fifth best and rank them best at drafting.
They traded their prospects in recent years for players like Mookie Betts.
mlb.com/news/front-office-executives-poll-for-farm…
Chip – I’m not a Dodgers fan, but ….. Corey Seager is a Dodgers farm product that seemed to work out well.
And please tell us which of those prospects….any of them…..is top notch for their new teams. Give us the MLB WAR numbers that quantify their top prospects ranking them as the 5th best farm system. How many had 600 AB’s at the MLB level….or 30+ starts. Saves, holds, anything. ANYTHING!!!!!
Grey matter: Their system is ranked 5th based on current prospects. Don’t shoot the messenger.
That may be true but are we to believe this is the only year they’ve been ranked this high??
-Los Angeles Dodgers
2024 preseason rank: 8
2023 midseason rank: 6
2023 preseason rank: 2
2022 midseason rank: 2
2022 they were also 5 (preseason #1)
2020 preseason rank: 3
2020 #2
2019 midseason rank: 3
2019 preseason rank: 7
20whatever the year blah blah blah….dodgers have one of the top. But they spit out very few homegrown top tier players that they claim will pan out. Since you mentioned the Betts trade, who was the #1? Verdugo??? Now on his 3rd team no power, can’t run…. SMH
Wong??? Nice player hardly top notch.
Downs??? 4 yrs in AAA has provided a .216 ave.
Bottom line is they’ve been propping up the dodgers farm for years, kind of akin to seeing Google showing the top searches due to monies “donated”
This is a curious comment. It feels trollish.
tj13: Which comment?
Blue – The Mookie trade is kinda a sore subject with many, considering how sucky Downs & Dugie turned out.
That trade was more about money, specifically unloading Price’s bloated contract.
FPG: I thought Betts was going into his walk year, which limited his trade value.
This has to be the most uniformed comment I’ve ever read on this site.
lol how so? Try explaining yourself.
I don’t want a salary cap. I just want my team (Red Sox) to sit at the big boy’s table where they belong. It makes no sense that a large market team like Boston sits on their hands and fails to use their biggest advantage: money! Maybe a soft salary floor will help with teams not spending, but ultimately how do you force billionaire owners to give out uncomfortable, market-value contracts when their loyal fanbase will keep parking asses in seats at historic parks like Fenway no matter the quality of the product? Maybe I am just jealous there are still big market owners that hunger for world series trophies. Henry has become completely complacent. Possibly the price you pay for having won four world series’since 2004.
Senioreditor: What color is the comment’s uniform?
Of course they did, sad.
Something happen to your memory? People were calling them the evil empire and many less flattering things when the Yankees were buying up all the talent.
And no salary cap was even enacted when the Yankees were doing exactly what the Dodgers are doing.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure the Yankees never deferred one dollar of a contract or played games with present day value counted against the luxury tax. Every dollar paid every dollar counted.
I’m not as worried about the deferred money as many people seem to be. It’s an agreement between the player and team. Time cost of money is a real thing. Ohtani would never have been paid $70 million per year without deferring the money as he did. Ohtani loves it for tax purposes. He has no problem living off his current endorsement income.
Yep, that’s where I’m at on deferred money. Perhaps people think the Dodgers are much better equipped to do it and that’s unfair?
How much would the dodgers CBT hit be if was not deffered ? And can they afford more players because of its deferred . To me 700 million should be 70 aav .If only dodgers can afford to differ money and others can’t that’s an advantage . For me it’s cap /floor rich teams don’t care about the CBT penalties . Why does Sasaki pick his destination to play when say a Paul Skenes goes where he is drafted. International amateurs should join mlb dtaft
Tim – Unfortunately some people just can’t grasp the concept of deferrals and NPV.
What made it worse, besides the reporting of “$700M contract”, were the reports of the deferrals helping the Dodgers with cash flow.
Yes it helps the Dodgers for two years, because the escrow payments don’t need to be made until 2 years after they are earned. Doesn’t seem like a huge benefit though.
old – With no deferrals the CBT hit would be the exact same, because it would be a $461M contract …. not a $700M contract.
Think of it this way, if you win the $500M Powerball jackpot it’s payable over 29 years.
If you choose a lump sum payment instead, you get far less than $500M and that’s before taxes.
So getting the full $500M lottery jackpot right away is not an option, just like Ohtani getting $70M annually from 2024-2033 was never an option.
What would the contract actually be for if it wasn’t deferred.
$46MM
It’s the deferral that adds the additional value. Feel free to ignore deferrals, the accountants in MLB have it all figured out and they all agree that it’s ok.
If the Dodgers weren’t deferring then they’d be paying the players the same amount as being set aside/counted against the tax threshold.
Ohtani would be paid 46 million, because that’s what 70 million in 2034 is reckoned to be today.
The Yankers still BOUGHT championships regardless of deferred money, which is not pertinent.
No one buys championships, they aren’t for sale, you still have to play all the games.
Geebs
Sure….play the games….you know, with the players you BOUGHT!!!! LOL
The deferred moneybis all the team is ultimately paying. The accrued interest is paid by a 3rd party. Are teams required to count any financial gains that players make off of their income? That’s essentially the equivalent of counting anything above the present day value.
How many teams can afford deferred money to get free agents ? How many teams can afford 370 million dollar AAV payroll ? It’s about competitive balance . Teams that have rich revenue and rich payrolls win more.Fans get tired of rich teams winning division every year 11/12 years in row or making playoffs 20/25 years . Teams have to trade good players because the better they are the more they cost . Like the rays do it’s a snoozfest being in low budget team
Every single team can afford deferrals. They literally have zero impact on salaries.
Revenue disparity has a huge impact obviously
QUICK HUDDLE: All of us who understand the principle of deferred money, stop explaining over and over and over again how it works. A year after Ohtani was signed by the Dodgers, we are still explaining the concept, probably to the same people.
Would definitely be for a salary cap but I don’t know if both sides would ever come to an agreement on it.
If there’s a cap then there needs to be a floor. You can be mad at the Dodgers all you want but the anger should be directed at teams that dont spend at all like the A’s or Pirates. There shouldnt be teams with $350m payrolls but also shouldnt be $50m payrolls either
The cap is more important but yes a floor is needed too.
Literally the opposite
And that’s why it won’t happen
Teams aren’t gonna spend to 90% of the cap line.
Also you’d need to tie it to revenues which means the number would be higher than the current tax lines
There is a floor – the minimum MLB salary
Need a floor, need to stop the deferrals business, maybe a hard cap at like $350M. Probably should have an IFA draft too.
I don’t like what the Dodgers are doing, but don’t forget the teams helping the Dodgers get Sakaki. WS are not won in January. Anything can happen. Cohen can do it, but apparently, no one wants to come to New York.
Soto must have missed that memo.
Why an IFA draft? To take even more choice and freedom from players to save owners more money?
To keep all of the elite talent from forming a super team and killing it’s product like the NBA.
I don’t know that would actually take money out of the pockets of the players. There’s already a limit on what they can spend each year. It’s not like ifas are getting more money than draft picks for the most part.
The draft would just ensure that all of the best ones aren’t going to the same teams.
At GBS42…. Why are you concerned with what owners make and players make. Players and owners are both making plenty of money. I am the consumer, I want competition. The consumer is always right and if you think not, you and others can keep up your concern with owners making money, or players making money because if nothing changes, it will continue to drive the product into the ground and viewership will continue to diminish.. Hard cap with a minimum floor. Why is that so difficult?
Viewership was up 11% last year.
Sponsorship up 20%
Ticket revenue up 15%
This is a terrible poll. It should also ask for a salary floor. Perhaps some type of punishment for repeated bottom performers as well. It seems like we need to incentives teams to try to compete vs lowering goals. Sure, yeah encourage a low quality product
Floor is implied with a cap.
I know right? Like, no doy.
Ha, as the reader, no it is not
OK. Assume a cap comes with a floor if that helps inform your poll answer.
Tim,
I would never assume anything with owners, especially if it has to do with most of them spending a penny more than they absolutely have to.
The owners already proposed a cap and floor in the last CBA negotiations. I think it’s fair to assume they go together.
Thanks, but I do agree with those who have said this poll would be better if the inclusion of a floor was spelled out. Something for next time.
Owners don’t spend at all. Teams do. Out of their own revenue. Owners and teams are different economic entities and their funds don’t mix.
That’s funny (seamaholic) that you don’t think the money spent affect the owners pockets. Priceless.
Just like every other major american sports league. MLB is the only one that does not have a cap/floor system.
No, Tim, there is no “implied floor” in your poll question. That’s just a bald-faced lie. The laziest writers try to blame readers for their own shortcomings.
You’re right. My assumption was poor and it absolutely may have skewed poll results if a lot of people voted no to a salary cap under the assumption it did not come with a floor.
Next time I poll on this I will be more clear.
“Bald-faced lie,” come on. I wrote:
“The drumbeat from fans, at least on social media, seems to be getting louder for a salary cap. It’s hard to argue: if all 30 teams were capped at spending, say, $200MM on player payroll, the regular season playing field would be leveled significantly. There would be star free agents the Dodgers, Mets, and other big markets simply could not sign. The salary cap would be tied to league revenue, and would rise accordingly. I’m not convinced a salary cap (and floor) is the only way to improve parity, but it’s the most obvious one.”
Could I have done better than writing “(and floor)” in explaining that this cap scenario includes a floor? Absolutely. But you and I disagree on what a bald-faced lie is.
Ra, it’s time for your meds. No need to call Tim a liar or lazy in order to make a point.
Unless you’re being lazy
It’s the comment that you said it was implied that’s a bald faced lie.
I mean, things being implied is subjective. I can tell you I wrote this post under the assumption a cap comes with a floor. And that while that was implied in my mind, it doesn’t mean it was well-communicated.
Yep, but a salary cap will only be owners agains’t owners, players will have little say in the outcome
Fair enough. All the best, Tim.
OK, heroworshipper. LMFAO!
I understand. I’m sorry not trying to be negative but I think more teams need to spend significant amounts of money or take rev share out from the league or some punishment for poor results- providing a way to control the top end of spenders doesn’t work in my eyes.
Not really Tim. Leagues have had caps with no floor in other sports. It didn’t last long, but they have happened. Next time you do a poll like this, spell it out or people will rightly assume you are talking only about a hard cap.
The hard cap is something the MLBPA will never approve until there is full transparency in the finances of all 30 teams and the MLB corporate entity.
Tim, this poll was ill conceived.
Clearly, there are revenue inequities that need to be tackled by the owners and players. A salary cap is no more credible and legitimate a solution than rent and price controls are as a response to housing scarcity.
At the very least, your poll should have tackled the issue of revenue inequities and the refusal of a majority of owners to spend the enormous revenues they are currently putting into their pockets, instead of players salaries. very disappointing.
It doesn’t matter how credible we think a salary cap is, though. There’s a very real chance of owners making a strong (and apparently fan-supported) push for one.
One part of this was to see what percentage of fans want a cap.
The second was to see how many want it enough to torch a full season.
The idea of a floor without a cap seems fanciful to me.
I heard an idea tonight from someone I respect that would improve upon revenue sharing in the way you’re suggesting. If I can put that idea up, I’ll do a poll on it.
Torch it. What the Dodgers have done is disrespectful to very competitive nature of the game and must not be allowed to continue.
Oh, ok (tugging on an imaginary forelock).
Jeremy, how is it disrespectful to the game? They still haven’t exceeded the Mets payroll of 2 years ago and as the Mets and Padres showed, big spending doesn’t guarantee anything. If the Dodgers also got Soto, Burnes and Fried, maybe I’d see some lack of respect. All I see is their front office improving the team.
Why are players (Teo, Snell, Sasaki, Kim) choosing the Dodgers over other teams? In some cases, taking less money to play for them. Why aren’t other teams doing that? Kim and Sasaki weren’t about money. Any team could have afforded them.
The problem with the cap is that the players know that without them, without their sacrifices of time with family down to the effects playing the game puts on their bodies for later on in life…..there is no reason for them to limit their earnings and fatten the pockets of the owners further. Plain and simplified.
What MLB needs most is a truly INDEPENDANT Commissioner that has the best interests of preserving the integrity of the sport. The Commissioner’s salary should be paid by the fan base of all 30 teams & independent of the owner’s control. Judge Andrew Napolitano would be a fine Commissioner independent from partisan politics.
MLB needs to get out of divisive politics & become a promoter of the sport & stop trying to be what it isn’t. It’s NOT the NFL or the NBA.
Nacb: did you read Tim’s note about the floor?
I did but I feel like a floor is artificial as well. There has to be something in place to really punish teams who put poor products on the field. It’s bad for the sport.
It’s also bad to throw on spending caps. If money is all equal you’ll have the NBA and that product is trash.
@nacb55; I like that word “incentive”.
When the MLB decision makers (both on the owners side and players side) finally decide they want to change the competition model of the sport, don’t do it through the owners pocket books.
Let each owner spend as little or as much as they desire on their roster… and without attaching financial penalties to the big spenders or reward to the tightwads.
Instead, if the sport’s power brokers decide competition is lacking parity, reward teams for each game win through a point value system.
Ex.
Teams with payrolls let’s say between 100 mil and 200 mil; 1 win = 1 point
99 to 50 mil = .975 of 1 point
under 49 mil = .95
201 mil to 250 mil = .975
251 and above = .950
They need a salary floor, and shared local tv revenue. Both teams have to show up for a game to be played. Only seems to reason that they share the profits equally. Especially, now that the schedule is balanced.
It’s not rocket science. Both issues are directly related to greedy owners.
I am ok with the Dodgers having more profit than the Marlins. What i am not ok with is them using that money on the field to create a competitive advantage.
Lmfao
I agree with you – the problem is the players do not agree. A salary cap has great potential to limit their earnings.
“Sorry bro, only a few teams can sign you even though the Dodgers and Yankees are printing money.”
Frankly I don’t care about the earnings of billionaire owners or millionaire players. More parity in the game would make it more fun to watch – honestly as it is I’m getting less and less engaged and spending very little money on my fandom.
17 different teams have won a title in the last 30 years, tied with NHL for the most. NBA has the least with 13 teams.
Explain how more parity will make this a better experience for you? I guess your team may not be one of the 17?
The game’s finances has changed radically twice in the past decade. Once in the RSN explosion which the Dodgers lucked into with perfect timing, and again with the RSN collapse of the past two years. 30 years is an irrelevant range.
The only problem with your argument is that both teams have the right to broadcast the exact same content. The difference is how many people are watching each team’s broadcast.
48% of local revenues (broadcast, ticket sales, etc) are already shared equally among the league .
Parity at all costs mlb should move forward
We can’t keep having steve cohen or Steinbrenner go up against the bob nuttings or the John Stanton’s or the John Fischers or the cost cutting seidler bros
Insane so many people are voting “yes” on this. The teams who don’t spend and cry poor, like my White Sox, are a much bigger drag on the game than the teams that are trying. Hard pass on a cap – I’d rather the money generated by baseball goes to baseball players than stays in the hand of the billionaire owners.
You will watching a league with only a handful of teams in a few years, some is wrong with system as is ,yes there are billionaire owners but there are millionaire players as well ,the rookies are the ones starving & millionaires could care less.
If some teams aren’t able to survive, maybe they should invest more to improve their on-field product, and then they’ll generate more revenue.
Come back to planet earth matt. If the teams disappear so does the entire league.
Yes, and that goes doubly for a large market team…. why would anyone want to own the Dodgers if they are just the same as the Pirates?
The White Sox have spent plenty up until recently.
They are one of exactly TWO major league teams to have never issued a $100+ million contract. The other is known big spender franchise that will be playing in Sacramento next year.
You need to force owners who are treating their franchise as only a business to sell.
The Yankees and Dodgers make more profit than anyone else by miles. If we’re mad at teams for too much profit, start with them.
You put a floor on Jerry Reinsdorf, he will use every conceivable trick in the book to fight it along with the other good old boys. The largest contract given by the White Sox was Andrew Benintendi. Hard pass on a cap, these billionaire owners like Jerry will pocket the money.
Thank you!!!! This!!!! All the cap does is consolidate profits for owners. Does nothing to makes the game more competitive
Clearly, penalties for going over the cap aren’t working…..
I know! The Mets just keep spending
How dare the Mets spending and trying to win!?!
I dont understand why we can’t be honest about most owners pocketing 10s if not 100s of millions of dollars each year. 200M is not a solution as it would be robbing the players to keep that status quo. MLBTR is doing it’s reader’s a disservice by not being more transparent about that reality in the interest of appearing unbiased. It’s fat and away the most dishonest thing about my favorite website. This article/poll is disingenious. See Mark Cubans comments about buying the Pirates. Honestly it’s borderline disgusting Tim.
You can set up both a cap and a floor and that will ensure salaries stay high. They do this in the NBA. The same NBA where Cleveland and Oklahoma City have the 2 best teams at the moment.
dejota, I just don’t see where the dishonesty or bias is could be. The poll q’s are just gauging sentiment of fans. You have to assume that coming up with precise and equitable numbers for a floor/cap is a given in big picture poll questions like these were
I assume MLBTR has seen the limited data available for revenues and is choosing to ignore it. Perhaps that’s not an outright lie but it’s incredibly disingenious and dissapointing to me.
Dude, making the Marlins and A’s spend their revenue sharing money is just not the purpose of this poll. I’m not trying to trick people. MLBTR covers all this stuff.
@dejota were those darn kids on your lawn again today?
Works great in literally every other sport. Hell even Euro soccer now has spending limits.
Long been in favor of a cap and a floor.
The Nba has a lot of great stuff to steal from like signing homegrown players to over cap, salary matching on trades, aprons, ect ect
I know most yall hate whenever the NBA is mentioned but if MLB stole half their stuff while adjusting the other half towards what works for MLB baseball would be 10x more interesting outside the lines and here at MLB Trade Rumors
There’s zero logic or fairness to the MLB process currently, a pure snooze fest and big reason why younger generations are turned away from baseball
Exactly
MLB playoffs and titles have been more balanced than the NFL or NBA over the last 25-30 years.
The NBA’s new CBA and the penalties associated with the 1st and 2nd aprons seems to be working towards discouraging super teams like the LeBron era Heat and the Steph/KD Warriors. Sure, you can still try going that route, but you get very little leeway in terms of building out the rest of your starting lineup or bench without getting very lucky with rookie scale contracts or vets on minimums.
I would personally like to see something similar, but I have doubts as to whether that would become a reality.
The NBA drastically underpays it’s stars tho, that’s going to be a hard sell for the players Union.
It’s actually the NBA that’s losing fans rn but seems mostly unrelated to the salary cap and more about the uninteresting product they put on the court.
Relative to guys like Ohtani and Soto, they’re underpaid. On the whole, I think superstar contracts are not underpaid. There will be some instances where a guy’s AAV is going to be insane (i.e. SGA at $80M in 2030 if he signs a supermax this summer). Bradley effing Beal makes $50M! I think the top guys in the NBA are getting paid pretty fairly, and that’s led to lesser stars and role players getting paid more (i.e. Josh Hart averaging $20M AAV)
But yeah, I cannot see the MLBPA adopting a similiar CBA. It would get shot down very quickly. And I cannot fault the Dodgers for maximizing their resources under the current system.
@Cap The NBA trades contracts more than players these days. Almost every trade includes multiple players to make deals fit under the cap, the players are then released. Teams such as Lakers have traded out draft picks as far out as they were allotted. The economics of the NBA are a disaster, using them as a blueprint would be like copying the Titanic.
Not a blueprint, taking concepts and adapting towards what works for MLB-
The NBA structure is 6 million times more fan friendly than whatever MLB is…..365 days a year as well
Your thinking of the Clippers btw and the draft picks are not baseballs problem or treated anywhere in the same way.
Again I knew the letters NBA would draw this reaction,
A disaster??…..I know we don’t have polls about abolishing whole seasons where thousands of people are in favor because of one team (Dodgers) over at Hoops Rumors lol …my goodness perspective
**Out of the top 4 teams in each conference you have representatives from Oklahoma Houston Denver Memphis Cleveland and Milwaukee as 6/8 – Boston/NYK 2 Big cities
No it’s the Lakers who recently traded all picks to surround LeBron with talent. And yes they are regularly trading contracts not players hence why it is a disaster.
What makes the NBA more fan friendly? Just making this claim doesn’t make it so
The Clippers have their picks traded till 2030 the Lakers 2027 so no
I said recently not the specific year in which Lakers had all their allotted picks traded away. And the fact that the Clippers currently find themselves in same predicament Lakers were in recently further solidifies the point.
It’d be interesting to see the number of Yankees, Mets and Dodgers fans that made up the “No” votes to the salary cap.
My guess is it’s a very large number.
‘Tis a big number
Yeah my Mets finally get an owner willing to spend and you wanna cut his legs out before we’ve even won one championship?? Screw you guys.
I voted no, I’m not a fan of any of those teams.
Not as much as the Padre and Giant fans that voted yes LOL
No. The Mariners have a good thing going. I wouldn’t want anything to interfere with that. The Mariners window is wide open, especially with Juan Soto going to the Mets.
The Mariners window won’t open until Stanton is gone!
I might give up a season for a meaningful salary FLOOR.
I certainly would feel differently if I had any type of financial interest in the issue but seeing that I don’t I would love laughing at millionaire owners and players whining about money.
Any progress baseball will have made to bring back fans would hurt even more since the last strike in 1994. That needed the steroid era and the home run chase to bring fans back. Your best young players like Acuna, Skenes, Witt etc would be missing a prime year of their career. Absolutely not trading a season for CBA changes. Worst thing they can do. Are some changes needed? Sure but not worth losing an entire season over.
Salary floor. Salary cap. Completely shared media revenue. May the best TEAM win. Not the biggest city with the most revenue. This is what it is being in a LEAGUE. Can’t handle the floor, sell the team. You don’t deserve it.
I’m getting older so I’m running out of seasons as it is so I would hate to lose one. But the owners and the players they don’t give a damn what the fans think or feel
Yankees having the highest payroll for however many decades was somehow the glory days of baseball but the Dodgers (the Mets get a pass for some reason) do it for a couple years and all of a sudden it’s threatening baseball.
Yes and Yes. Easiest questions of my life.
It’s not about the owners they won’t spend money
Which is why a change to the system would fix that
NFL-style revenue sharing might…
Let me guess? LA or NY fan?
Nope. Atlanta.
I’m not too clear on what you’re claiming about me. I think most of us understand teams do not put all their profits into player payroll and some owners keep money that seemingly should be spent on players. As I said, we don’t have open books.
I can’t believe some people here are saying these horrible things
Agree, as these owners could not spell the word transparency even if we spotted them the T-r-a-n-s-p-a-r-e-n-c
Can we assume that a cap and floor system would, by necessity, also have to include broad revenue sharing and open books?
I’m not sure a salary cap would increase parity. The modern chiefs and patriots or Celtics and lakers are bigger dynasties then anything mlb has produced
I agree that it might not be as effective as people think.
@Tim It also would bring it’s own set of problems. Assuming a hypothetical floor is much larger then the floor that already exists(league minimum×roster spots). Some years the talent would not be there to justify some of the contracts and would artificially inflate contracts of lower end of roster players.
In my opinion the current system could work if the penalties fir those exceeding and those nor spending got much harsher. This would still allow the freedom for teams to spend at will some years, but would provide more incentive to do so less frequently and only on rare occasions. Would also keep teams from doing as A’s have.
On the field, agree
~ The other 190 non baseball days, those would be met with a lot more happiness from the whole pie from coast to coast and that matters a LOT these days
Younger Generations aren’t buying into a process they don’t see fair to begin with. Without them, the game goes South. Adapt or be conquered
Yes cap you’re concerned with perceptions and I’m concerned with reality.
You can have both
I agreed with your whole post btw but I can also sympathize with how a Minnesota Twin fan might feel today waking up when my hometown Dodgers ink another stud
Younger Gens are not turned on by this, frankly, Im not either
You can’t make blanket statements about younger generations not liking this. Boomers are complaining about it just as much but it doesn’t matter. Fans will always complain about rivals getting all the talent, even with a salary cap. Many of those same fans complaining were calling the 2020 chip Mickey Mouse. If you don’t like competition go watch a sport with a salary cap and you can root for the chiefs or Celtics
That might be an issue with the refs. Get the automated strike zone and baseball can skate around that.
Automated strike zone would be more corrupt and easier to control than the nba/nfl refs everyone complains about.
No. It wouldn’t.
How? It has greatly improved call accuracy in tennis.
A superstar in NFL (most likely the quarterback) and NBA is more impactful to a team’s success than in MLB.
The playoff structure in MLB will make it difficult for the Dodgers to repeat as World Series champion and it will be fun to root against them.
There is no need for a salary cap. Some of these deals will go south on the Dodgers.
God forbid that there will be a season losing strike. If there was one, the one thing that would help baseball recover would be expansion and the record breaking that usually occurs after a couple teams are added. It causes the elite players to face more AAAA ones.
There are salary caps in other sports so it gives me a comparison as a fan. Personally i think losing a favorite player to another team because of a salary cap is worse than losing to a stacked team or losing that player to that team. If my team loses a player due to salary cap i would feel like we could have and should have had that player. If we lose that player to a richer team then i know it just wasnt possible for my team to get that player.
Just make amendments to the deferred payment rules. Such as: any contract over $20 mil total value, you can only see defer up to 30% as a signing bonus or deferrals. It’s not really that hard.
Allow the dodgers to keep their current BS contracts but make their salary cap number reflect the true value of the deal (ex. Ohtani $70 mil against the cap vs. The $46 mil as it currently counts because of Time value of money calculations).
No and no, easiest questions of my life.
I just don’t think MLB needs to chase parity. We haven’t had a repeat World Series champion in DECADES, and we’ve even only seen a repeat league champion several times across those decades. This despite different teams seeming like juggernauts in their eras. Parity is here.
13 teams haven’t won it all in over 30 years. That’s nearly half the league.
Oh you want absolute parity, where every 30 years each team wins it once. Like participation trophies in kindergarten.
Most of those 13 teams can’t even be bothered to win their division. all except the Rockies don’t have to compete with the Dodgers for the division.
Why are y’all so focused on world series? Yes, the playoffs are pretty random small sample tournaments. The problem is teams buying playoff berths.
What you are forgetting is that the value of mlb franchises goes up dramatically even as teams make less money or perhaps even lose money on an annual basis. Look at the Forbes valuations. The capital gains on ultimate disposition of the franchise are enormous. The point is that these very wealthy owners can lose money year over year and then sell the team for a huge gain, indeed, taxed at a lower tax rate than the income they earn from other sources that is sheltered by these annual losses. Do the Steinbrenner care if they lose $30 million dollars in a given year if the value of the Yankees nevertheless goes up by $100 million? And the income tax rate arbitrage is icing on the cake.
What you are forgetting is that the value of the franchise going up is only a line item on their balance sheet. It is not tangible money. That value only exists if they sell. And then they actually have to find a buyer willing and able to bid what they think the franchise is worth. Forbes may have their own model or opinion on what they think a team is worth, that doesn’t mean the armies of investment bankers advising either side of a transaction will agree with it and come up with the same number in their own modeling.
The Steinbrenners cannot afford to lose $30 million per year on a regular basis, that is an absurd suggestion. The valuation of a financial asset is almost entirely derived from the sum of discounted cash flows it will produce. In addition to general asset price inflation fueled by unfettered money printing from the Federal Reserve, the other major reason a team like the Yankees increases in value by such staggering amounts every year is precisely because they do not lose $30 million dollars. The New York Yankees are an engine that churns out likely tens of millions of dollars of EBIT on an annual basis, that is the reason why someone might be willing to pay an additional hundred million for them – not because of anything that transpired on the field. Unless of course we’re talking about a potential buyer being a crazed fan who is willing to spend an entire personal fortune to bring in a World Series, like an Illitch or Cohen.
@Dirty. Agree completely.
Would a queen thank a droid?
After much deliberation, ima hafta say yes?
A salary cap will never happen because players would end up losing too much money. So unless the salary cap is between 200-300 million which defeats the purpose of having a salary cap in the first place.
Cap and floor. They can make sure teams spend and players still get paid.
Tim, you mentioned that you believe there’s alternatives to a hard cap but didn’t elaborate. What do you have in mind? Give us some options to consider.
Well, a salary cap is the players entirely subsidizing the expected increased parity.
I’d like to hear from some sports economist friends, but to me it seems equally fair to suggest that owners subsidize the parity themselves.
If the Dodgers pay 100 mil into local revenue sharing, tweak that to make it 200 or more. Require that money be spent directly on player payroll and/or add a floor.
Big market teams wouldn’t agree to it, same as players might not accept a cap.
I don’t see why fans aren’t equally interested in leaving the players alone and demanding owners transfer even more money from big to small markets while requiring it be spent on players.
Could be the same result, no work stoppage.
An additional draft, like a Rule 5 draft, with teams that go over a certain threshold have to make players in their system available.
But teams receiving players have payroll escalations that they have to make to keep them.
The Dodgers have great players. We can buy the MLB app so we can watch them in real time!
No need to be jealous if the owner of your favorite team doesn’t care about winning. Just give him the finger and move on to a winning team!
So are you okay with sending part of your revenue to the smaller sites in your industry, if they spend it on quality writers who can help them steal away your readers?
I dunno man, am I part of a legal monopoly? Is my site one of the three most lucrative in the world? Does my business have a civic duty to taxpayers? Kind of a rough analogy in my opinion.
Your non answer is your answer.
A more clear answer is that I think your comparison is absurd, making the question unanswerable.
Hahaa So lets assume you win the largest lottery ever and can be a team owner instead of a website owner. Now, how happy are you to be writing a check every month to the Florida Marlins so they can see their franchise value double, triple, and quadruple. Is it because they run out a AAA team every game? No. Is it because they make the game fun to watch? No. Is it because some teams are actually doing a good job and making the league watchable? Yes! Now if one of those teams is your team, how would you feel about writing that check?
If I’m the Dodgers I’m not happy at all to be writing a check to the Marlins. Hal Steinbrenner has complained about this publicly.
If your point is that you’d like to see the Marlins forced to spend all the revenue sharing money directly on players, yeah, that’d be interesting.
If your point is that revenue sharing should be changed because some teams abuse it, agreed.
I am interested by the idea of the revenue sharing money not going to the recipients, but rather being held by MLB as a subsidy for when small market teams sign players.
I’m guessing owners would not agree amongst themselves to that change, partially because it would pump more money into free agency overall.
But preferring owners to fight over that instead of make the players subsidize efforts for parity seems viable enough to me.
Tim – interesting idea for MLB to hold the funds in a quasi-escrow account.
All payroll “penalties” go straight to the players, not the owners.
Just spitballing here, but –
The subsidy could work like a combination of the international signing pool and the draft slot amounts, working in reverse order of standings.
The White Sox would have the largest subsidy pool amount. (I realize Chicago is not a small market, but if parity it the goal…)
They could choose to use the subsidy pool or not, but it’s essentially “free” money for them, so there’s no reason not to.
Teams could also trade their subsidy pool money for prospects if they wish, allowing smart teams with strong farm systems to trade from their farm surplus and sign free agents they otherwise couldn’t afford.
Again, just brainstorming here.
@Usurper How was his answer a non answer? MLB is one of most lucrative pro sports leagues in the world. They also do not have to comply with anti trust laws. Because of that freedom to operate with impunity in regard to anti trust laws MLB has generated billions. I’d assume if MLBTR had the same issue of having a government sponsored monopoly they’d gladly agree to revenue sharing. As that’s obviously not the case for MLBTR, the comparisons just don’t jive with reality.
@Usurper The Dodgers might not be happy when they are cutting the revenue sharing checks, however they are a necessity to keep MLB viable. They are part of what has allowed Dodgers to generate billions and keeps MLB afloat. So at end of the day it’s in the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, etc best interest to pay revenue sharing, it’s part of what keeps MLB as a whole economically viable.
Tim Dierkes: Billy Sample, who collected a payout from one of the free agent collusion cases in the 1980s, told me in the 1990s that the desire for a salary cap amounted to the players being made responsible to settle a dispute between large market owners and small market owners.
It’s better than a work stoppage and more or less does the same thing, actually better cause big market teams can still spend whatever they want, but a lot of people in America (me too) are opposed to socializing industries or anything where the big just hands money to the small to even the playing field. Especially when a lot of what happens in MLB is organic. Pittsburgh is a small market and can’t pay anyone, than they shouldn’t have a team. We don’t need 30 teams if 30 teams can’t be supported by their base. The Dodgers should have an advantage by being a marquee team in a major city but something has to give when they’re signing virtually every player.
Great idea! contract the teams that cant support a competitive salary we can have the Pittsburg Reds of Cleveland. and the Miami Rays. Keep adding small markets until it equals a big market.
They’ve signed the #4, #14, #26, and #32 free agents. Retained the #11 free agent who will now cost them significantly more than the previous year, while losing the #8 and #37 free agents.
Hardly ‘everyone’
This is my hope. I don’t care that the Dodgers are doing what they’re doing. Deferred money is not the issue that many are claiming it to be. The NFL has void years on contracts which has the exact same effect on the salary cap/luxury tax number. My biggest problem is the number of teams i.e. owners not spending the revenue sharing money. Sure…they may “claim” it’s going into the team in other ways like the minor leagues facilities, or academies in the DR, but we as fans and consumers of the product don’t see that. That creates a major division amongst fans and the teams owners. Revenue shared money should be required to be spent on the “on field product.” Period. Oh…and their needs to be a international free agent draft.
A cap? No, a floor? Yes. No massive deferrals
and no opt-outs. Maybe an NBA style “max contract”
I want something to be done about the deferred money, not a cap.
Agreed. I don’t have an issue with a player making money, though I think they still make far too much. There is no way that the Dodgers would be able to have the team they have if they weren’t allowed to defer money. The funny thing is that they seem like the only team that is doing it. (Yes there are probably others but I can’t recall them right now). Look at Ohtani. He allowed them to defer most of his contract so they could go out and sign Yamamoto.
You do realize the Dodgers still have to put ALL of his money in an account every year, right? They are just using the deferred money as a way to manipulate the CBT. And yes, every team can and does do it. If your team is not doing it, I suggest you get mad at them instead of being mad at the Dodgers.
ButCanHePitch: Why do you believe the players make too much when they are performers fans pay to watch?
They’re no different from Billy Joel, Taylor Swift, or Leonardo DiCaprio. Do you think they make too much?
That depends on whether they bank millions every performance/screening.
Of course they do, especially touring pop musicians.
If they ever strike again and miss games, I will NEVER watch MLB or spend a single penny on anything baseball related. I left the sport completely following the 94 strike and only came back because of the summer of McGwire and Sosa. I didn’t REALLY care again until the 2002 World Series. But I was a lot younger then. I would not put up with it again.
These guys make more in one game than most people earn in a year. They should NEVER have a reason to strike. This is not the Teamsters needing health insurance or coal miners needing workplace safety. This is grown men playing a game for a living and getting extremely wealthy doing it. I don’t begrudge them for making that much money, but I DEFINITELY begrudge them whining about not earning more.
People are already doing this because of what the Dodgers have done. League is hemorrhaging lost revenue.
As a Rockies fan, that doesn’t really thrill me either. But playing games in a broken system is still better than playing nothing.
League saw a near record revenue level last year. Would be higher if Covid year had not stunted everything.
Which people? some sour grape guy on a chat?
its not about salary cap as much as its about deferring salaries
there has to be some type of regulation
LAD have over 1 billion $ in deferred salaries, thats insane
i’d also suggest a cap on korean/japanese players per tm. its like companies that create monopolies and are regulated by anti trust laws. mlb needs something similar
Tim you should have just made your poll:
Are you willing to lose a season to stop the Dodgers from getting better. You probably would have still gotten the same amount of “yes” votes…
Dodgers can improve to their hearts desire
My point is they are taking advantage of a broken system. The system needs to be fixed
Broken due to deferrals? If that’s your case it isn’t broken at all. What else you got?
There should be one draft that includes both international as well as Americans. The shady side of the international signings should be done away with.
The amount of sketchiness that’ll come to the surface with an international draft in place is probably not something MLB can handle.
I’m not arguing or attacking, I’m just genuinely curious what sketchiness you think will surface from an international draft. I think an international draft would be good for the game, but I’m more than willing to hear the other side.
Players are signed and spoken for through different trainers. Those trainers cut deals and get parts of the contracts. It’s similar to a 15U coach getting kids to sign contracts with teams because they get kickbacks. So the kids get less say in it as this adult (who’s driven by money) is choosing for them. Then once those agreements are come to at age 13/14 or whatever, they are training in that signing teams facilities and are basically in a baseball academy that commits them to one team/job path. A lot of great sounding things, but with no oversight like high schools and colleges have there is plenty room for corruption, and with money involved that corruption finds its way to the surface. If those coaches were no longer receiving the kickbacks, they would have no reason to stay silent on what goes on behind the scenes which could be dangerous for MLB as a lot of that involves child labor laws, and for every Acuna who makes it out a star, there are hundreds of players who never make it to A-ball
Had a friend who signed a couple significant overseas players (one big one still in MLB) who got fired after speaking up on those things.
Makes a ton of sense. Thank you for explaining.
The reason there isn’t an international draft is that for the most part, players in those countries would be low-balled due to there not being a plan b if they don’t sign through the draft. Players in America always have the option of going to college, giving them another way to showcase their skills. Players in Latin America , not so much. So instead of limiting them to a single team to negotiate with they allow all of them to negotiate for them.
Some players are totally full of themselves,yes some owners are filthy rich.not millionaires but billionaires then again small market teams can’t come close to paying players like LA or NY teams . If this keeps up there will only be 12 teams in MLB & there will be another league started with end 5 years.
MLB has to replace teams who refuse to field a competitive team.
They’ve put in measures to fix that and they’re already working. The White Sox and As aren’t capable of stockpiling draft picks like the Astros and Orioles did. So there isn’t a reward for tanking as much anymore. It does need some adjustments so teams like the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Phillies don’t force non-competitive teams on the league.
Yeah because all of these small market teams were winning so many world series even before the spending got out of control lol.
It’s another cry from Rich Ownerships complaining about the cost of doing business. As it stands teams hardly spend and use the CBT and Shared revenues to secure profits for teams’ people shouldn’t even pay money to see and other teams that work on a shoestring budget and put out a great product to watch and competes. Personally, I would not like to see a salary cap in the MLB. I rather see the CBT raised and deferred monies counted only for years played. That balances what Teams actually pay. Today Teams already cull their teams with war. an expensive player. vs a cheap controllable player, teams usually don’t pay a player more monies than WAR players unless it’s a bad contract. another topic with CBA is the guaranteed contracts. will they be the next to go? on the next lockout? thanks for the space – Can’t wait for the 2025 season to begin!!!
Just make the luxury tax non-monetary penalties stiffer.
Losing / having draft picks pushed back further would make teams think twice. Losing a big chunk of your international amateur bonus pool, with trading to add to it prohibited if you’re a luxury tax offender, that would also make teams think twice.
Right now it’s too easy to have your cake and eat it too.
Losing the season means losing 30%-40% of your fan base for ten years.
Doing nothing means losing more…
Small changes are always needed, but the dodgers are also en route to a ton of dead money or salary dumps in the next few years. When you expand playoffs and make it easier for anybody to win a WS by getting hot at the right time, a team like the dodgers is going to do this. Let’s stop trying to manipulate the rules.
A salary cap has ruined the other sports son of course whiny baseball fans want to ruin it. The same people who want four playoff teams and no replay. Sad
What’s MLB offering for this? A real floor with both loss of revenue sharing and preferred draft picks and international draft money? Doubtful. The end of the QO system? I don’t think so. How about earlier arbitration and FA periods? Lol, no chance. So, there’s not going to be a trade, it will be imposed. What happens when a player loses a year to injury and the team has to replace him?
I’m not a big fan of telling labor that no matter how skilled they are, they have to take what’s leftover–not because of owner’s ability to pay–but because of a rule.
The whole process is flawed….
Big market teams over spending. Small market teams not spending enough.
Players and owners are NEVER going to buy into a salary cap (the floor would have to be somewhere around $200m) because small market teams can spend little and because of revenue sharing are profitable even putting out a bad team. Players want to earn as much as possible (thanks Boras).
But if there was a solution needs to be 100% revenue sharing and a floor of $200m with a ceiling of $300m. No more 30% signing bonuses with a 1 year opt out and no more deferrals.
If an owner doesn’t spend $200m they are fined the first time and required to sell team second time. Any team over the cap forfeits 1 win for every 5m.
Just thoughts on the backside of an envelope. But this will never happen!!
Let’s try a floor first and see if it works
Salary floor. Some teams have to spend more. Much more.
What is the point of a team spending $150-200 million instead of $80 million when you know teams like the Dodgers and Mets and Yankees are going to spend $400 million? Big market teams have a distinct advantage when it comes to revenue and will always spend more than small market teams if there is no cap in place. If you put in a floor, there HAS to be a cap as well. Simply because if you don’t put them both in at the same time, you will NEVER get the second one in without a labor dispute.
A cap and floor is needed along with tv revenue cat have teams making 300 million and others 30
I do think what the dodgers are doing is hurting baseball just from an overall competitive aspect.European soccer is the same way no cap and best teams always buy best players so they always win.I don’t want a salary cap though maybe harsh penalties for the teams always over might be a solution?
Without a salary cap in place we’re always going to have the big spenders in the Dodgers, Yankees, Giants & Red Sox and the no spenders in the Pirates, A’s, Marlins & White Sox. In addition the big stars will get paid astronomical sums while the aging stars will wait until Spring Training to sign their pillow contracts like we’re experiencing now. With a reasonable salary cap of say $250M, that forces every team to spend at least 80% ($200M) it should mean higher salaries for those aging vets and mid tier players. The only players not in favor will be those in the top elechon, but they’ed be throwing the other 90% of their peers under the bus by not supporting a cap. The owners need to be more transparent in these next negotiations in willing to demonstrate to the players how a cap would benefit both parties. With franchise values increasing every year to the point they’re all worth at least $2B I fail to understand why the owners wouldn’t do everything they can to get this done, other than sheer ignorance and stupidity. Based on those last 2 words, we’ll never see a salary cap in baseball and by 2030 the sport may even cease to exist.
Minimum payroll enforcements, international draft lottery, and limits on deferrals are the answer imo. Making sure every dollar of pool money smaller market teams get goes to that years payroll is a must.
Anyone who doesn’t think there needs to be a cap is delusional. The MLB is exceptionally unbalanced and it’s completely unfair for teams like the Dodgers and Yankees to be competitive every season simply for being in huge markets. The salary caps is an effective method that has worked phenomenally in other sports leagues. Look at the NFL. While you do have “dynasties” like the Chiefs and previously the Patriots, the playoff roster is never the same and teams can quickly bounce back from a rough season. Look at the Commanders, they went from the 2nd worst team in the league to making it to the NFC championship (and possibly further). That kind of stuff doesn’t happen in the MLB.
Diamondbacks went from 4th in the NL west (74-88) to playing in the World Series in 2023. NEXT.
Only communist would want to cap a person’s earing capacity!
Oh no! The C word!
I think I’d be more in favor of stiffening luxury penalties than having a hard cap. I’d also be interested in restricting deferred money and even contract length, rather than putting a limit on absolute dollars. Either way though, I’m not cool with losing any part of a season for it, the league and players should be able to figure this out without resorting to deadline stand-offs
I disagree with the push for a salary cap and the willingness to sacrifice the 2027 MLB season for it. Competitive balance already exists in MLB—teams like the Royals and Rays have shown small-market success under the current system. A salary cap would unfairly suppress player earnings and undermine the free-market principles that make baseball unique. Sacrificing a season would alienate fans and harm local economies, with no guarantee of creating lasting parity. Instead of drastic measures, we should focus on improving revenue sharing and holding owners accountable for reinvesting in their teams. Let’s not dismantle a system that works for the sake of a flawed solution.
well said OY!
thankfully, the players are the ones that will need to weigh in and resolve this problem of increasing numbers of owners being satisfied to reap huge profits by NOT spending or suppressing spending in order to avoid the risk of lower profits. The issue is we have many, many organizations that are NOT COMPETING.
As you state, how can the solution be a rule that allows owners to avoid risk by controlling costs further? the players will never agree to that as a solution—no matter how beautiful the color of the lipstick placed on the pig (e.g., compensation floor). Incentivize competition!
Start luxury tax at 150m with increased penalties and create a salary floor.
I agree with increasing penalties, and maybe the tax should start at 20% above the average team payroll (or some percentage tied to the average payroll). Salary floor could be some percentage below the average payroll. Maybe give teams a year grace period to get back above the floor.
What if they capped the percentage of money that can be deffered so you can’t pull off the bs ohtani pulled or say you can defer but the tax hit will be for the full 700MM contract so you get rid of the present day value issues. It’s not easy but i feel like there’s a way to let people defer, but also not let them abuse it via penalties.
really simple just make it a rule that as long as the player doesn’t sign with the Dodgers he can defer as much as he wants,
1000000% yes. It’s out of control
At the very least get rid of deferred salaries.
Should players be paid more than those who truly benefit society: doctors, teachers, police officers, etc? When any relief pitcher makes more than $10 million a year, that’s ridiculous. Let’s also put a cap on ticket prices and concessions while we’re at it
As long as fans keep spending money and consuming the product at the current (and ever increasing) prices, salaries and revenues will rise. If fans stop, salaries will fall.
Both statements are true. Why are guys swinging wood getting paid more than people who save lives?
On the other hand, why do we allow them? I’m very happy to say I’ve never given money to the sport as I’m just a casual fan, but the hardcore fans need to realize what a sham this is turning into. Not only baseball, football and basketball as well. Gambling made sports 100x worse as now there is too much money circulating within. Bloated organizations that are becoming as corrupt as FIFA.
The only way we let them know is to not show up for games, not buy merch, and not pay to watch games. For smaller market teams, they will threaten relocation. Let em. Let’s have all the small market teams relocate to Vegas or California where there are many more people with lots of money. Maybe then it’ll be more fair competition.
I might be willing to give up a season for a salary floor of 150 mil,though.
As long as incentive bonuses wouldn’t go against the cap, I would definitely be in favor.
I’d only possibly see it happening if players were able to hit free agency several years and the minimum salary was raised significantly.
But the players association seems to be pretty clear they’re cool with letting the vast majority play for relative peanuts while a handful of guys make the lions share of available free agent dollars.
I for one do not like comparing MLB to other sports because I don’t follow other sports.
No to a salary cap, but I would like to see draft order/picks be impacted more by free agent signings. Let teams sign players to big contracts but at the cost of losing picks. I don’t want to punish players, but there has to be some impact to the team.
A cap is long overdue and salaries are ridiculous. Otherwise, LA and NY will just be taking turns as champions like in the old days.
Common sense says a $700 million contract for 10 years is $70 Million per year. Deferrals is nothing more than cap manipulation. There lies your problem. 1. Axe the cap manipulation. 2. implement an international draft so all clubs have a fair shot at international talent. its become painfully obvious this is needed. 3. Elevate the salary floor and make all CBT money received has to go dollar for dollar to free agents.
With salary cap must come salary minimum. Total amount spent could still benefit players and parity (or at least the belief that each team could improve quickly relative to the field) could increase viewership and increase the size of the pie. Easy for a Marlins fan to say though..
I would trade that to get rid of Manfred and every crappy owner: Fisher, Reinsdorf, Nutting, etc.
I support labor. Full stop.
That said, if the union agrees to a cap it will be good for the sport. I’m confident that there are creative solutions that can protect the players’ while also creating more parity. I suspect the union of being stubborn when it comes to giving ground and thinking outside the box. It’s understandable; they have a lot more to lose by changing the economics of the sport’s labor relations.
If one assumes teams are spending as much as they can then a salary cap will do nothing except push down player salaries.
IMHO, teams are extremely profitable but want to pocket the cash. Aggressive newer owners are making them look bad. As the article states, some teams aren’t even putting all revenue sharing dollars into payroll. As if ticket/concession sales and naming rights in the stadiums we paid for, local tv revenue, apparel sales, advertising/sponsorships isn’t enough money to run the franchise and take a profit.
There’s already a cap on international signings, how’s that working out?
Tim, I have been a reader for almost as long as you have had the site. This is your worst article.
No, there does not need to be a cap. It is awesome for the fans when a team cares enough to spend to make it better.
Yes there needs to be a floor.
Yes, players should be allowed to play where they want to play.
No, not every player will want to play in Colorado, and that is the burden Colorado has to bare (or KC or Pitt, etc).
Yes some teams are going to have an advantage. Life and nature is unfair.
Yes, all teams need to watch what the Dodgers are doing and mimic as much as they can.
No, Japanese players do not need to be in a draft.
Yes, almost 90% of your readers have NO IDEA how deferred money works.
Yes, we want to see these great import players play on great teams.
No, we do not want to see great players like Mike Trout play exactly ZERO meaningful games in his career just so Anaheim can have a player.
No, it is not fair that Texas teams get to recruit players there with their zero state tax, that needs to be accounted for.
What makes it my worst article?
You answered a bunch of questions that I don’t think anyone was asking, but I’m not clear on your problems with what I wrote.
I almost took that line out, because it is very subjective. lol
It is a nonsense article because you are fanning the flames of upset fans, in return for people like me interacting with your article. I get it, this is what you need. But as a reader, it is annoying to see a respected site like this one take a stand like this one…just to get some views.
With respect, you know damn well your readers are not smart enough to understand why this is happening (the Dodgers getting these players) but you are okay stoking the fire. They don’t understand the CBA, they dont understand deferred money, they dont understand the posting system. Hell, they can’t even comprehend that the pretty girl in High School almost always chooses the hot, athletic, wealthy quarterback instead of the nerdy, poor, weakling…..so they think these free agents should want to go play in cold Toronto instead of suiting up for the best run org in baseball, in one of the best cities in the world, in front of all the celebrities, with teammates like Betts, Freeman, Ohtani, and Kershaw. How about writing an article explaining the virtues of why any free agent would want to play for that team so your readers can understand it.
I didn’t take a stand, though. I’m not advocating for anything here.
When you see the word “poll” it means we want to see what the opinion of our readership is on something, often something topical like this.
I put in context to explain why the average fan wants a salary cap, and what I think a serious push by ownership for one might lead to – a lost season.
It is one thing to say you want a salary cap, and another to say you’re willing to lose a season to get it. Not that those who say they would lose 2027 for it in January 2025 would necessarily still feel that way in July of ’27 with no baseball being played.
This is what I need? No, I haven’t put up a poll like this myself in years. And if I needed it for traffic or something I wouldn’t have done it on a Sunday night. I genuinely wanted to our readers to vote on these questions so that we can see the answers. Do I like engagement on the site, sure, but that’s always true.
@usurper
Boy your personality really shone through in these posts. You must think really highly of yourself.
That is a logical reason. The timing is suspect. You are not going to get a statistically relevant answer based on the timing. Ask this again in the middle of July during the All-Star Break, not when 29/30ths of your readers are pissed their teams are not doing what they want them to do.
@Userper
“I almost took that line out, because it is very subjective. lol” (Barf.)
How smarmily concessionary of you – lol.
As if your whole accusatory POV isn’t a highly subjective rant, FFS.
This league is dying. If you believe in nature so much guess do nothing and let it die.
Dying? Attendance is up. Revenue is up. Even with all the stupid new rules.
Drama much?
A single round international draft of 30 players without signing limits allows the best international players to be signed by the worst teams for very good money. Those 30 players were already going to have nice paydays, now they would be more evenly distributed. The remaining players would be subject to international pool limits.
I voted yes for a cap/floor and being willing to lose the 2027 season for it.
My one reservation is that I don’t trust MLB and the union to agree on a good system.
There is too much animosity and not enough focus on the overall health of the game.
Increased and strict revenue sharing. Limit deferred money. I’d lose a season for that. But the owners won’t do it.
I am disinterested in watching a season that has just been bought by 3 teams.
relegation .. owners that run their team like a triple A organization can be relegated .. bye white sox .. have fun playing the trash pandas
@alstott40
MLB does need relegation but we would need a completely new league to be linked to the MLB but no the MiLB.
Does a bear crap in the woods, is the Pope catholic?
What an embarrassing poll. How about asking for a floor instead of calling for suppressing wages?
Man, I definitely did not “call” for a salary cap. You would only claim that if you did not read what I wrote.
How about both? Player and owner salaries are just disgusting to look at. It’s why I’ll never spend money on MLB. Football and basketball are bas too, but baseball numbers are eye popping.
I really don’t understand all the hate towards the Dodgers.
I’m a Pobres fan. My guys have problems. They will not win the division for a long time. They probably won’t even be competitive until the ownership drama is settled. It’s pretty hopeless in Friarville
None of that is the Dodgers fault. MY Padres have just been criminally mismanaged by a souped up area scout posing as a POBO.
You should be so lucky to be a Padres fan! At least they have spent and had exciting players on their team. Imagine what it’s like to be a Rays fan like me, or a Marlins fan, or a Reds fan. We have almost nothing to cheer for. No stars. I’m mad at the Dodgers because they use their incredible wealth to set salary precedents. Even the ‘poor’ teams in California are incredibly lucky (minus the As of course). The Rays have spent a total of 9 million dollars. TOTAL. While I think a cap is not as important as a floor, there still needs to be some major fixing in the game.
If I was a Reds fan I’d be livid. That division is wide open and they’ve done little to take a run at it. Every team in the NL Central should be grateful the Rays aren’t in it, they’d own it every year.
Cap would be great but I could also live with an even harsher penalty for going over the tax line.
Plus get rid of deferred money. It’s used to avoid paying taxes.
The other options is full local tv revenue sharing. Or at least greater than the 48%. I don’t mind an mlb team making more revenue if they are getting it from attendance. I just don’t like that certain markets even if the teams have great attendance can’t generate the same revenue as large market teams because of their tv deals.
I don’t see this stuff happening because the dodgers have long term deals with tons of money still to be paid out. If they had to give up a bunch of money or try to get under a cap in a few years that would be very difficult.
So if the Dodgers do really well at building their team and generate at ton of TV revenue, you think the Colorado Rockies, whose management doesn’t apparently even know what shape a baseball is, should get a cut of that money? How does that make sense?
Yes, because even if the Rockies were doing great their tv deal will never be anywhere near the dodgers. Not even in the same stratosphere.
So if you do better at your job, and get a promotion and pay raise, are you okay giving it to someone less talented than you are?
Markets sizes control tv deals. If you don’t get that then I can’t help you.
You keep comparing normal companies and jobs to MLB, as if they can be reasonably compared.
Lol, that is crazy. Of course they can be compared.
Jeffrey Loria bought the Marlins for $158MM in 2002 and sold it for $1..2MMM in 2017. There is an extra M in there. In 2025 it is expected FL will receive over $70MM in rev share money. They basically operate a team the Dodgers bench would be better than, but the Dodgers have to share revenue with them, meanwhile the new owners of the Marlins are seeing their franchise value increase just because they are in the league.
MLB can be compared to a normal person’s job? Do you know a bunch of normal people who are part of a legal monopoly?
Someone above pointed out that without baseball’s anti-trust exemption, you could put another team in L.A. and it might help level the playing field. But in MLB that’s not allowed, so one team gets to have a huge market.
Why are you comparing jobs to companies? Each mlb team is a company, not a job. They operate to make a profit. They are not there for the public. There is no civic duty. They are not firemen or mayors or teachers. They are not employed by the municipalities they exist in. Those cities fight tooth and nail to keep them, which tells you who values who. When was the last time you saw a team fighting to stay in a city that was trying to get rid of it?
As for anti trust, the other leagues do not have that exemption but the Lakers are not worried about five teams starting up in LA. Hell, the Clippers have the richest owner in the sport and its still a purple and gold town, always will be. Now maybe the Hornets might need to be concerned…
I can understand why you want all 30 teams to be on welfare and have complete parity. If that happens, you will get readers from KC and Colorado visiting your site, waiting on the next rumor of who they may trade for. Be careful though, the NBA is actually struggling now that there is “parity” in the league. People like superteams. People like to have a villain.
Tim, some people might call the Angels a team.
Why shouldn’t a large market team be able to take advantage of their location? This is still the United States, right? Where capitalism is worshipped and the strong are rewarded for taking out the weak? Why should sports, baseball specifically in this case, be allowed to not take part in that system? Big box stores and online giants have destroyed communities around the country and people are finally getting upset because it’s invading their precious game? This the line where congress needs to get involved? LMAO Give me an f’n break…
Because you end up with only a small handful of large market teams and the league collapses. Also, most people do not live in la or ny. Mlb will lose 90+% of it’s total revenue.
Oh well, Jeremy. My town lost a family owned hardware store when Home Depot moved to town. What’s the difference? With less teams the remaining ones would be amazing and people would be willing to watch the best of the best battle it out all summer.
What about evading taxes? Do you also support that? Because that’s basically what the Dodgers are doing.
Evasion is when you illegally use a method to not pay. They are not doing that.
They’re not doing that at all, they’re working within the boundaries they were given. Legally.
Ray- That’s not remotely accurate.
The point is, baseball is not about capitalism nor the rich vs the poor. It should be about putting together the best product for fans in all markets. When that level of entertainment decreases, so will baseball’s popularity.
And yeah, you got me. They aren’t evading taxes. What they are doing is manipulating taxes within the rules. As slimy as lawyers. Find a loophole and exploit it til it gets fixed. Maybe they really are America’s team after all.
Well when we have a “president” of the country who has made it his lifetime’s work to exploit loopholes it’s kind of hard to call out others for doing the same.
Of course it’s about capitalism and should be if that’s the system that our country promotes. Why should baseball be any different and be a socialist venture? Because some markets can’t survive? Oh well…
Ray, still not right. The contracts are taxed at their value, the same as every other free agent contract. It just pays more because those accounts the money is deposited into earn interest over time.
Value is unchanged. Nothing shady going on. At all. Not even a little.
The only way fans should want to gift owners a salary cap is if owners are also stuck with a revenue cap.
If your team doesn’t spend, cancel cable and stop buying tickets. Because a salary cap isn’t going to make them competitive. It’ll just make the owners richer.
A salary cap would greatly increase profits for owners, while decreasing players’ share of revenue. If implemented along with a salary floor, it would increase the wealthiest owners’ profits. There has to be a better way to hobble insanely wealthy owners. Perhaps MLB should implement a net wealth cap for team owners. (Sarcasm)
I think the poll is interesting to get a measure of fan tolerance.
Perhaps the next poll question would be: would you be willing to watch MLB that had a salary cap but only non-union players–that is, not the best players in the world.
That would get around it. MLB says there won’t be another CBA, here’s the new salary rules for anyone who wants to play, players with existing contracts report to camp on day one and make sure you don’t violate any non-performance provisions or your contract will be voided.
Whose terrible idea was this poll, article, and website?
All mine
Hell Yes! SCREW THE DODGERS!!!
I think many are missing the collusion that is happening this offseason. 4 teams are spending more than last season and just one is spending large sums more. The owners WANT you to say this isn’t fair, we need a salary cap to keep the Dodgers or Yankees or whomever from buying a title.
All the while they are laughing their way to the bank with all the increased revenue in the sport. The commish said during the winter meetings that 2024 had the highest revenue in history while teams were trying to cry poor over what was happening with TV deals. Can’t both lose money and make more money at the same time.
Don’t be reactionary suckers. Realize how they are trying to con you into raising a ruckus to get the players to cave in. Before the owners should be be allowed to have a salary cap, every team should be required to release their financial statements like the Blue Jays and Braves do.
We know for a fact that not including the Battery, the Braves total revenue was $581 million. A fair share of that for players is $290 million. What is the Braves CBT payroll?
Keep in mind that the Braves are not one of the top 5 in revenue. The Dodgers and Yankees are at least 20% higher.
So when you hear owners crying poor, just say FU. No cap for you unless you release your financial statements.
Yes, Yes, Yes! This is absolutely the truth. Don’t let the owners take away from the players leverage in getting paid what they deserve.
Was thinking this too…Dodgers are pushing MLB to lockout for a salary cap. Makes sense…I’m in favor of that too. No Salary cap is insane..
I think with a salary cap take away free agency the only way a player can switch teams is via trade if you get drafted by a team you play for that team until you retire or get traded
I don’t want a salary cap in baseball. So, not only do I not want to lose the ’27 season for it, I’m probably done with baseball if that was the path it went. There have already been too many changes that have diminished my enjoyment of the game.
I’m also not a Dodgers, Mets or Yankees fan.
It is what it is. Without a salary cap. Big teams will over spend knowing that there still making lots of money. Time will come when Pittsburgh has to make an easy decision and that’s trading Skenes bc can’t afford keep him. Same will be for Cincinnati when they have trade away Elly. Then look at baltimore.and Gunner. Can they afford keep him. There going end up getting more then whatever Vlady gets. He’s getting $450/500m Elly and Gunner are going want be paid as well. Just saying. Not good for the game when small market teams can’t keep there home grown stars.
I want a SEC type investigation into the Dodgers. They aren’t using personal money . They’re using investors’ money. If this practice spreads, no good will come from it.
Instead of a salary cap, pool 100% of local revenue, instead of the current 48%
Alright, so highest payroll does not guarantee a WS victory… just ask the Mets. That said the deferred money thing is getting ridiculous, at least how it’s being calculated into the luxury tax. Ohtani has a 700M 10 year deal, so why shouldn’t it be on the books for luxury tax calculations as 70M a year.
One radical thought that wouldn’t be taken seriously… I wonder if there’s another way around the salary cap and luxury tax issue. Simply make the luxury tax unbearable. And I’m not talking about a larger tax… What if for consecutive years paying luxury tax a team starts forfeiting all draft picks? The lack of infusion of young talent would scare most teams.
It’s hilarious how many people think that baseball is broken and unfair. Life is unfair but we all do it everyday. Baseball is fine and only getting more popular. It’s in a better place than it was 10 years ago. The only thing broken in baseball is the legions of whiny fans who want to make up new rules.
It doesn’t matter how much money you spend you can’t guarantee buying a championship. It doesn’t happen as much as many of you are acting like it does. Baseball has more parity than any other professional sport in North America whether you want to admit it or not.
Do you have some stats to backup your claim that baseball is getting more popular?
Tim, to have a conversation about CAPS people should find out what portion of profits are being reinvested into the team. I do understand that the MiLB went through a reorganization and pay scales were raised. Even the NY Yankees who spend over the CBT and they spend less than 40% of profits. When George was around, I had read it was higher of likes of up to 60% of profits. As said earlier, by you and others no one knows what profits are exactly on MLB Teams with all the monies gained in a season. I am not sure if any other teams are actively traded on wall street that a ledger would be something to see. I am not aware, but I do believe the Atlanta Braves are traded do somewhat report to stockholders or a board of directors. As fans or as a FAN, I would like to root for my team (the NY Yankees) and hope I don’t have to wait another 16 yrs to win another world series. With the influx of teams entering the post season. the sheer number of games and series to win to get to the world series let alone win it all. It’s a crapshoot. We have seen teams spend gobs of monies and go nowhere. We have seen teams spend little compared to others and win it all. I don’t want a cap, a floor nor CBT. Money doesn’t win championships. Pitching wins Championships, healthy and hot teams win championships. Can’t wait for the 2025 season to begin …!!!
Instead of a floor, they should just change how revenue sharing is paid out. The money should stay with The Commissioner’s Office. When a team eligible wishes to tap into it, they should first come to an agreement for some form of new commitment (free agent signing or contract extension), then submit a request that the commissioners office pay that player for them with the revenue sharing funds they are eligible to receive.
If they don’t sign anyone, they don’t get any money. The money would be exclusively earmarked to make small market teams more competitive, not necessarily more profitable.
Yes. Someone proposed this to me tonight and called it a Competitive Balance Subsidy.
This would be a soft floor on par with the soft cap that players already agreed to. Good luck making it happen though.
I think this and a floor would ultimately achieve the same results. Look at the A’s as an example of that.
Some might argue that this soft floor is already in place: the A’s had to spend 1.5x their revenue sharing money or risk a grievance.
Perhaps instead of just leading into a multi-year grievance of unclear consequence, however, strict financial and/or draft penalties could be established for a team that doesn’t spend 1.5x its revenue sharing money on payroll. And/or the 1.5x goes higher.
You could make these changes, call ’em whatever you want, and basically have a floor without calling it that. Maybe they could then sidestep the “If you want a floor, you gotta give us a cap!” thing.
Still a soft floor. You want to spend nothing on players, fine, but it’ll be painful to the point of not making sense.
That said, the CBT slowed teams down for a while, but some have so much to gain from winning or signing certain players. Signing Ohtani is simply profitable for the Dodgers. I’m not sure you can make it less so.
Analytics has made the MLBPA’s stance on a hard cap obsolete. Teams know what to pay for and what not to overpay for.
It’d be better for the PA to agree to a high floor/hard cap that rises with revenues, where owners have to spend 90+ percent of the cap each season.
Because one way or the other, the rest of MLB owners aren’t going to stand for the Dodgers buying every championship from now on. Even if it costs them a season or two of no games.
The Dodgers are not going to win every championship from now on. The chances of them even going back to back are slim.
Television revenue should be a matter of obscelescence at some point with streaming frankly.
The CBT should be based on the % of the teams profit to labor ratio. If a team is spending 54% of its profit on player contracts it shouldn’t pay as much penalty as a team paying only 27%. The floor needs to happen. Teams not spending need to be balanced aswell. I also think teams in conjunction with the players union could contrive an ESOP program whereby high rate of return players can benefit from profit sharing while under contract as a result of their direct contributions. This would encourage “stars” to consider smaller teams because they would be larger “share holders” being “ larger contributors” to the bottom line by procuring organizational income vis a vis the pipelines of fan draw, sponsorship, network promotions, advertisements etc. a team full of stars would have smaller pie pieces than a small team with fewer stars to share the pie. ESOP shares eventually are absorbed back into an organization and reassigned as players retire and new players emerge like a normal esop. This will alleviate and also relieve the team of the decade long contract obligations without forcing them to hold an actual roster spot and still technically employ them. This type of plan could potentially make a 20 million a year contract blossom into a 50 million a year contract if a player is captain America without actually draining the team ownership unless they actually create that revenue.
You idiots realize this just makes it easier for owners to continue the status quo and be profitable without trying to win right?
The fans ARE baseball and shouldn’t be robbed of another season for any reason other than natural disaster. If these million and billionaires can’t figure out a solution before 2026, then that proves how little they value the average fan, and perhaps it’s the fans that should be doing the striking.
I’ve been lucky enough to live in a city whose ownership/team has perennially put a contender on the field despite it’s mid market status, but I’m 100% in favor of whatever changes are necessary to give small market teams a fighting chance of annual contention.
The SMARTEST ballclubs should win every year, not the richest.
Exactly. Right now the richest teams can buy the smartest personnel and poach them from teams like the Rays or Guardians. People seem to forget that Friedman was a long-time GM of the Rays before being bought off by the Dodgers. If all things were equal, you can bet that the Rays and the Dodgers would be very similarly built teams. But the Dodgers have the money so they will win hundreds of games and rings while the Rays search the bargain bins or trades with other bargain binners. It gets boring after a while being a small market fan.
Right. Meritocracy? Or oligarchy? Fairness, or domination of the wealthy? What kind of a world do you want to live in? This kind of echoes the debate we’re having as a nation, actually.
Right or wrong it shouldn’t come as a surprise. Both Ohtani and AF came out publicly following his signing and stated they would spend to compete every year. Every player in the world dreams of coming to the US and playing with the best. How can you be the best in the world if not even the best on your team?
Lastly, it took a 50/50 year for LAD to overcome the injuries last year. They had 1 starter who was in the rotation at the beginning of the year start a game in the playoffs. They lost from 21-23 and almost 24 due to depth.
This article doesn’t even mention the most important factor in the Dodgers’ spending sprees. Ohtani. It literally all comes down to him.
It’s a simple truth that had the Dodgers not signed Ohtani, they would not be spending at this level. There’s literally a competitive clause and a key-man clause in Ohtani’s contract, and the $100+M revenues Ohtani brings to the team.
If Ohtani were all about money like Soto, he would have garnered an unthinkable contract; as you know, there was no true bidding process for Ohtani. Heck, he didn’t even try to enage teams like the Yankees and the Mets.
That’s why Ohtani’s contract is the most team-friendly one ever. He’s not playing for free for the Dodgers. He’s actually playing for the Dodgers while paying them. And this is why Soto getting more money than Ohtani is so ridiculous.
$70 million in sponsorship revenue alone.
forbes.com/sites/justinbirnbaum/2025/01/09/sports-…
Not surprised at the results.
Those who are fans of teams who take advantage of the UNFAIR system could care less about a salary cap(which all salary caps include a floor)
Those of us who are fans of teams who get taken advantage of obviously want a cap.
While it absolutely is unfair economically, some of these owners are still part of the blame.
I’m starting to despise MLB because of this. It sucks.
Same. Well said. Although I wouldn’t even enjoy the current system if I was a Dodger fan. Because it cheapens every win we get. I want to know that the game was fair, and we dominated anyway. We don’t slant the ice in hockey, we don’t have some teams using 12′ rims on one end of the court and 9.5′ on the other, and we shouldn’t have teams spending five, six times more than other teams in MLB.
Here’s the list of people ruining baseball. It’s not deferrals or the Dodgers.
Bob Castellini
Charles Monfort
Richard Monfort
John J. Fisher
Robert Nutting
Jerry Reinsdorf
Stuart Sternberg
Rob Manfred
And in risk of starting political debate, a little diversity in ownership groups would help.
Don’t forget the Pohlad family .
A cap is not a universal fix. A cap would be nice but there are too many other underlying issues that need to be fixed/hammered out. Limitations on deferred money (either limit on number of players / years / amount of money). A salary floor to force rich team owners to spend more. A soft cap, but with more enforcement and less loopholes. Even more rules/enforcement to prevent prospect hoarding/tanking teams + service manipulation. Maybe something to limit how much foreign money a team can receive per year (similar to TV deals).
But honestly baseball might be too far gone. All or a mix of these solutions would definitely make the game fairer for smaller markets and improve competitiveness. But I honestly don’t see the MLBPA + owners agreeing or conceding anything.
I know baseball is a business first and foremost, and I know many people would be up in arms over limiting deferrals or foreign income… But baseball is going to miss it’s chance to prevent the parity gap from widening if it does nothing.
1. No salary cap and maintain CBT penalties. They are effective and serve as a soft cap. This is good for the players and owners.
2. Establish a salary floor AND establish revenue sharing of TV contracts. With revenue sharing from the CBT penalties and TV contracts, even cheap-ass owners will have plenty of dough to pony up or sell to someone who will. This is good for players.
3. No fully guaranteed contracts. In no other business (except maybe some other sport I don’t follow) does anyone get paid to suck. Quid pro quo contracts, full stop. This is good for the owners.
Both sides get something and the sport survives.
Guaranteed contracts are less likely to get removed than a cap is to get added.
MLB revenue works much like the electoral college and it doesn’t seem right no matter what side you’re on.
There should be a salary cap or a max salary a player can earn period. NDL will soon have this issue too.
NFL*
I’d only like a cap if it came with a floor and that floor was much higher than I’ve heard, maybe 100m. The players deserve 50%+ of the money being made and I oppose the cap because I don’t want them to lose money to selfish owners who leave cities or blackmail them for stadium and land funds.
I voted no cap and I wouldn’t want to lose a season. But I do think there is a serious problem that teams like the Dodgers are out of parity with say the Marlins because of who happens to own the teams.
We deserve better.
Fan opinion that supports a cap is easy to garner in this current situation. So many teams’ fans are watching their franchises collect revenue (handouts) and profits, but rather than hold the owners accountable, they go after the labor force. They’re mad that their teams aren’t competing, but the target is the team willing to spend. Makes total sense. This is America 2025
I generally agree…it is clear that public sentiment is on the owners’ side.
I see a lot of people here asking for transparency from MLB owners. That’s not their thing.
To form a reasonable conclusion, fans need all relevant information. It’s a devious tactic to hold this information hostage, sway public sentiment, stir animosity against your own product (the players), and then pretend it’s all in the interests of the sport.
We targeting the teams that are appear to be driving the increase in cost for the average fans by signing players of a kids game to contract with Monopoly money numbers and far beyond the expected value.
I’d love to see a study in baseball where we can compare the cost of a ticket at X park to tickets sold. Something tells me that the cheaper tickets aren’t selling.
Before a cap, how about a salary floor? Teams have money but refuse to spend any.
Would you enjoy playing Monopoly if 1 player starts with $500 and gets $50 every time he passes go, and another starts with $3,000 and gets $300 every time he passes go? Any little kid could tell you that would be a dumb way to play the game.
I have been reading this site for years without commenting because I never registered. That all changed tonight, when I finally took the time to register, just so I could voice my support for a salary cap and a floor, spaced pretty closely together. I’ve been thinking this over for close to an hour, and at first I thought five, but now I think I’d be willing to trade TEN years of MLB games if it brought about a balanced economic system. I’ve got 50 years of pent up frustration around this issue, haha, and I figure I’ll live another 20-40 years, so I’d be willing to give up 10 if it meant my favorite game could finally be fixed. I used to listen to basically 162 M’s games a year, and the last several years I’ve been massively cutting back out of disgust over this issue. It’s just hard to believe in the product when the team resources are so uneven. And I’ve discovered it’s kind of freeing to not be chained to the game. I told my brother it’s like I’ve finally woken up to the fact that I’ve been in an abusive relationship where my partner isn’t nearly matching my commitment level, haha.
Even if Bill Gates bought his hometown team, my beloved Mariners, and spent like a drunken fool, that wouldn’t fix this issue. And I would NOT swap my stance. Even if this happened for EVERY team, they still would be spending different amounts, and we’d be rooting for our billionaire vs your billionaire – is that what people want? Because it’s what we already have. As long as the teams are spending wildly different amounts, the game isn’t fair.
I don’t think it’s impossible to fix. One prerequisite hurdle that is maybe the most difficult step is the teams have to open their books, all the books, to some kind of impartial and independent audit. Not MLB’s auditors, nor the MLBPA’s. Truly independent. Only then can all of the revenue streams be identified. Many teams use multiple business entities to split the revenue stream up into smaller portions (parking, concessions, gate, TV, etc). That way they can say “The team made X in 2023,” and they can be underreporting total revenue, without necessarily lying. Anyway, IF the real numbers can be determined, then we can determine the average % of total revenue that the players have been receiving every year. And we could lock that percentage in. For example if players have been getting 50-55% of total revenue over the last 10 seasons (I’m totally guessing), we can keep it in that range, and the same auditor would be responsible for running the numbers each year and then reporting the next year’s floor and cap. Teams would have a LITTLE wiggle room, like maybe $235m to $260m or something with no gap between them greater than say 10%.
Glad you joined the discussion.
I think the problem is this:
“IF the real numbers can be determined”
Based on baseball history, I do not think the players could get to a point where they’re happy with and confident in how teams report their revenue.
Right. That’s why it would have to be neutral auditors that are given full, unfettered access. And if the owners don’t like it they can pound sand. This is the part that might shut the game down for 10 years. ; – )
Sad that people won’t sacrifice a season to make the sport better. I guess they’re happy with those stupid rule changes that don’t make the sport better at all.
The MLBPA will never agree to it so I’d rather not throw a season down the tubes we need to in the next CBA all teams like the Dodgers accountable for the deferred money in the present and if they don’t wan’t pay a huge penalty they would have to trade away some of their big contacts players.
This is a revolting headline / poll. I will never clock on a mlbtr link again.
Why?
The union won’t even talk about a cap until they get the owners to discuss a salary floor, which will never happen.
I think that’s backwards. MLB already proposed a cap/floor system.
At the highest level in baseball, there’s no cap on your earnings. This is one of the reason a lot of players choose to play baseball over other sports. MLBPAs like Tony Clark and Michael Weiner have publicly stated there will never be a salary cap. It’s not even a discussion now. The time to implement that was in 1994-1995.
I am not sure owners believe that they have no chance at a salary cap. We will see how hard they try. If they don’t try that hard, then yes, they’re taking Tony at his word. It’s been 30 years since they really tried.
It doesn’t matter how hard they try. There will not be a salary cap. Get it out of your head.
How could you possibly know that?
Because Ive followed sports a long time and there is no stronger union I’ve ever seen than the baseball players union. That’s how I know that. Those players will not agree to a cap to their salaries. Mark it down. I know that and you should know it too.
Historically, the MLBPA has obviously been stronger than any other union. I agree, everyone knows that.
What you do not know is how these 1,200 players would act when they start losing money. As I said, how could you? Any player under the age of 29 wasn’t even alive when the last strike ended. Those guys having solidarity says little about these guys.
I don’t like proclaiming certainty about stuff like this.
You can keep talking about it. You can wish it into existence. It’s not going to happen. So we can keep going back-and-forth and in the end it still will not happen. There will not be a salary cap in MLB. You’re also assuming the owners will be in solidarity on this issue. Either way it doesn’t matter. It’s not going to happen. If you don’t want to say it with certainty you don’t have to. I will.
OK
You’re wise. Predicting the future with certainty is something most of us do, but it’s still foolish. Crazy things happen all the time that we never would have predicted.
I feel quite confident predicting this with certainty. I don’t do that about a lot of things, but I will with this.
Sorry not sorry. But this is all on you guys for continuing then, ”Dodgers will lose in the first round anyways” diatribe. They weren’t always this way. There was a time of Brandon McCarthy, Scott Kazmir, and Craig Kimbrel. But no, you guys ha fb to persist. Well, eat it up, trolls. The Dodgers are here to destroy and they aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.
Yeah I’m sure the Dodgers make large operational strategy decisions based on what random internet commenters are saying. Great point.
Except real life and playoffs don’t always work that way. Injuries happen. Regression happens. It doesn’t always go that way. One year of a team winning the World Series is not here destroy. Let them prove it further.
I wouldn’t mind a cap/floor, but not at the expense of a season. I think you could definitely achieve it, though, if they made the cap high, say 275m and the floor 125m. I think the higher end teams having to dial it back a bit helps, but doesn’t hurt, and the lower end teams would get slightly better just for having to spend a bit more.
As for things like deferred money, I can see more teams taking this tactic and probably should, but there should definitely be some sort of percentage rule over how much should be allowed.
Lastly, a better system of allocating foreign talent needs to be in place for players coming from outside professional leagues. One way to do it (similar to what MLS does/did) is incoming talent is added to teams on a rolling basis somewhat like placing a waiver claim. Once the team at the top of the list gets a player they go to the back of the line. Like any draft, any team can trade up the line. If that player elects not to sign with the negotiating team, that player is ineligible to sign with the league until the following season. That said, once in the league for a season, they are now considered a standard free agent. So maybe there’s a contractual limit of that initial entry contract like one year plus an option. This way, players wouldn’t feel disappointed about not signing with their preferred team right out of the gate, but it would both give other teams an opportunity to get their feet in these international pools and have a chance win over said talent.
This is one of the worst/dumbest articles I have ever read on this site.
Explain
Tell me what’s dumb/terrible/whatever, and I’ll answer for it.
Tim, surely you must know by now… Don’t feed the trolls.
Hey, I’m here for the discussion. I thought I wrote a reasoned brief explanation of why fans want a cap, and why a major push for it by ownership could cost us the 2027 season. That it could go down that way is entirely reasonable to me.
We’ve written almost 100,000 posts over 19+ years, so if you’re gonna come on here and tell me this is one of the worst, state your case. I like criticism when it is not personal.
Kinda my point. That’s not a shot at reasoned argument. It’s just a shot.
But if you want a criticism I will say I think you’re getting pretty close to suggesting the strike was the players fault for not accepting a salary cap. The bigger issue was the lack of trust due to collusion by the owners. That is what will always stand in the way of a salary cap. The fact that the player won’t trust the owners to use it to their advantage
I could’ve said more on the topic of the 1994 strike, I suppose. Owners imposed the salary cap on the players, and it’s easy to see why they felt their only choice was to strike.
Irony – I’m also a sad Mariners fan, and I registered on the site for the first time after years of reading without commenting, because I thought this article was so good/important. The narrative in the baseball community is to blame the cheap owners, not the system itself. But I can’t understand that because even if all of the owners spent more, they’re never going to spend about the same for each team, and that’s inherently unfair.
Fans have to believe in the integrity/fairness of the game. That’s why players can’t gamble on baseball. I see the payroll inequity issue as similar and it’s gotten to the point that I’ve backed away from the game that I used to be completely obsessed with from ages 10-45. These days I watch minor league ball or amateurs and enjoy it just for the game, and I’ve gone from listening to 162 M’s games a year to maybe 20-30 games a year now. Almost entirely due to this issue.
I’d be interested in a competitive salary floor.
When competitive balance paid teams have to be threatened with grievances unless they spend to a minimum based on their share of the pool because they refuse to it creates a larger competitive issue within the league than a lack of salary cap does.
Teams should learn to maximize their profitability within their market or stop crying poor.
When MLB continues to place (and leave) clubs in inferior markets-TB,Mia,Oakland,the players deserve every red cent. A club should be allowed to buy any player out of a contract the first day after the WS is completed without penalty
All this salary cap, and salary floor talk really makes me wonder if anyone thinks about the consequences of those 2 actions. A salary cap punishes the teams with the most fans. Most “big market” teams are in high tax places, like NY, and LA. Where smaller market teams, like the ones in TX, and FLA have no state income tax at all. 1 million dollars in TX or Fla is worth more contractually than 1 million in NY, or CA. So does it make sense to punish the areas with the largest consumers of the product? No, it doesn’t. Well then why does it work in the NFL, and NBA? Does it? When was the last time you saw a legitimate football team in NY? When was the last time you saw one of those franchises not have money problems because of the cap? Same with the NBA.so before you go thinking that a cap is a good idea, ask yourself if a cap is going make small market owners spend more? The answer to that is a resounding “NO”. And therein lies the problem. A salary cap isn’t going to be less than 350 mil. How does that help the small markets? It doesn’t. It only puts more money in the pockets of small market owners, and doesn’t improve their clubs, or make high end players more available to their clubs.
If you really need an explanation of how a salary floor would only make the problem more expensive, you don’t belong in this conversation at all.
Doesn’t matter because fans are starting to check out. Baseball is trying all kinds of things to keep people interested and shorten the game but fans in small cities are finding better things to do and it’s only going to get worse. Season goes for 9 months and tickets go up and taking a family to a game is rediculous. The sport is dying.
Please explain how ticket revenue is up 15% and sponsorship revenue is up 20% while viewership is up 11%
I have no sympathy for players or owners. Let them all lose a season to see how good they really have it. People can’t afford groceries or utilities, yet guys who make more in per diem than some fans gripe about how they’re getting screwed? Owners charging $9 hot dogs and $15 beer, cry poor mouth? Tired of both of them.
I think the solution is clearly a salary floor as well as a salary cap and more teams embracing the signing bonus/deferrals contract structure-
I think that cap can be as high as $300M but the floor would have to be high as well, like $175M or something.
The reality is that most low budget teams can actually afford to spend, they just don’t want to- the ownership knows the math where they can field a team that is “competitive” at $70M or whatever and the ownership pockets the difference and yes there are teams like the Yankees and the Dodgers who have such a strong international presence that they can afford to spend more- but the deferrals and the signing bonuses are really what is messing things up- if the Dbacks could pay Greinke, any team can pony up.
The other thing is- there have been teams in the past that were preferred destinations for international players (be it the Mariners, the Yankees, wherever), but somehow the Dodgers really figured out the formula to this between Ohtani, Yamamoto and Sasaki. They’re just three players, but when you look at the structures of their deals, of Mookie Betts’ deal…. a lot of teams can do this.
Part of the appeal for the players is that they understand that by taking less annually they afford the club the ability to sign more people of higher value and they’ll still get their money later, or they see value in waiting later in their life, post career, to continue collecting their money.
Why can’t more teams do this with some players and why don’t more players embrace this structure? If this system works so well for the Dodgers- paying a guy $2M or $5M or $7M a year on an AAV contract of $35M or $70M a year or whatever, why can’t other teams?
I think the other major issue is that cyclically, as teams collect a roster of generational talent, players will begin to gravitate toward them. It’s why 25 years ago some guys went with the Yankees whenever the option arose and its why in the mid 2010’s and early 2020’s a lot of guys went with the Astros whenever the opportunity arose, etc. and right now that team is the Dodgers. It can’t last forever and these rosters are never a guarantee to win the world series and dominate in such a way that the game is effectively rigged.
Super Clubs have losing streaks, balanced budget friendly clubs have winning streaks.
Yankees falling apart last year wasn’t because the Dodgers were so amazing- a lot of the Dodgers’ higher profile players didn’t play like gods during the post season- and on a long enough time line, the Dodgers would have experienced a losing streak and the Yankees would have locked in and the win-loss for the number of world series games would have been reversed.
So a lot of it is still luck, no matter how much talent and money one team has.
But even so- I think forcing teams like the A’s and the Pirates and the Marlins to spend more and forcing the Dodgers to not spend how they’re spending right now would help parity- but there’s no clear cut solution.
Some of it is just cyclical and we’re in a Dodgers cycle right now, much as it sucks.
Since when does a Cap mean parity?
The NFL had the Patriots dynasty…thought that couldn’t happen in capped leagues.
When was the last time the Wizards made the Finals…thought that couldn’t happen in Capped leagues.
I just don’t buy the Cap = parity and last time I’d seen data on this it also showed it’s a myth.
Upset people make bad decisions, and folks will come around and see how the Dodgers do over the long term.
I’m a HUGE dbacks fan and say no. What it boils down to is buying teams doesn’t always win games. We made it to the WS in 2023 by playing really well together. I think let teams spend as much as they want.
Why would I forgo any baseball for a cap when all these billionaires owners can do the same thing the dodgers are doing? And here’s the thing, I’m sick of people saying “small market teams cant” because the 100% can. Here’s what happened and what the only difference was, the dodgers have been pressure testing the deferred money model as a sustainable business model for years now, all while having a elite farm system and developing from within. What they could afford to do that other teams couldn’t was to do that pressure testing. Because it was very risky as no one had done it before. But then they saw they can do it and do it well and it was really a none issue. So they went crazy. And every other team is just late to the game. Now… I’m personally curious how they will be in 10-15 years…. I suspect they will be fine but, this obviously could completely blow up. But to force a salary cap? Na, that’s outrageous. This has stirred the most interest in baseball in a long time and everyone is going to hate the big bad dodgers and that desire to beat them is only gonna be better. Now it’s time for an AL team to do the same thing as them and build their own power house cough cough, Yankees….
I think the problem is becoming the disparity in the resources of the “billionaire” owners. MLB reminds me of the airline industry. Just because you can “afford” to start an airline, doesn’t mean it’s going to make you a lot of money. Baseball is becoming the same way. White Sox, Marlins, and the list will keep growing. Big market teams that can’t hit .500 baseball and have no attendance. In huge markets. It spells trouble down the road without a salary cap. If you need a new MLB-ready facility – ouch. Welcome to the Rays and A’s world.
I agree with a floor/cap approach but it’s challenging to come up with a system that fairly measures anything. Some teams sit in baseball neighbourhoods with ball played in high school, college and at university (NCAA) levels and some much less so. Maybe some amateur ball but nothing in organized schools. So getting paying fans to show up isn’t so easy. Some teams have been sideswiped by the collapse of cable options and rise of streaming.
The league apparently thinks the long slow games are bad and so has tried to speed things up with rules changes. But the relaxed pace has attracted many fans, and the loss of traditions has been a turn-off for some.
If you control costs you can also better evaluate front office performance…
With the offseason the Yanks have had, a Bregman, Arenado, or Arraez would put then in powerhouse mode already.
But yeah, building the way the Dodgers have done will take years for a team, IF that ownership even wants to go that route. It’s been said Hal Steinbrenner doesn’t do deferrals.
200 ceiling 160 floor. Salaries would rise by more than the normal 3-5%, at least initially.
And the players will never agree to a $200 million salary cap. Think about that.
Salaries would explode in that setup. Players would love it.
Player salaries are driven by free agency and raising the bar every year. A cap blocks that and will suppress salaries.
Players will never agree to any cap.
Time to tell both the owners and players to go screw themselves
The cost of seeing a game is pathetic
Try checking in on what an NFL ticket costs. Or an NBA ticket costs. You’ll begin to see that MLB is about the most affordable of the major professional sports. the only way you find a cheap ticket in the NFL or NBA is if your team sucks, and season ticket owners are just trying to break even on the secondary market, and they’re not playing a competitive team.
I dont see your point
There needs to be a cap, probably percentage of money, that can be deferred. I don’t see how in the long run the Dodgers don’t become a financial disaster.
Explain how a salary cap would help baseball.
The current rules for teams exceeding the CBT threshold are listed below.
“A club that exceeds the Competitive Balance Tax threshold is subject to an increasing tax rate depending on how many consecutive years it has done so.
First year: 20 percent tax on all overages
Second consecutive year: 30 percent
Third consecutive year or more: 50 percent
If a club dips below the luxury tax threshold for a season, the penalty level is reset. So, a club that exceeds the threshold for two straight seasons but then drops below that level would be back at 20 percent the next time it exceeds the threshold.
There’s also a surcharge threshold for clubs that exceed the base threshold by $20 million or more.
$20 million to $40 million: 12 percent surcharge
$40 million to $60 million: 42.5 percent surcharge for first year; 45 percent for each consecutive year after that
$60 million or more: 60 percent surcharge
Clubs that are $40 million or more above the threshold shall have their highest selection in the next Rule 4 Draft moved back 10 places unless the pick falls in the top six. In that case, the team will have its second-highest selection moved back 10 places instead”
The simple solution is to create a fourth tier (i.e. being $80 million over) that has even worse penalties.
Breaking rules would involve outright losing draft pick(s) as well as 100 percent surcharge on overages with the requirement that the paid surcharge must be paid out as salary to free agents by t(he receiving teams.
I agree. And I think teams would, on the whole, spend less if you made the CBT hurt even more.
Something like this seems a lot more likely than a cap.
But I bring this up because I do wonder if owners will make one of the bigger cap pushes we’ve seen since ’94. Too soon to know that, but…it’s possible.
I can’t see the PA allowing a cap. It’s a genie they’ll never get back in the bottle.
Correct, but so was the first modest competitive balance tax in the 90s.
Just make the luxury tax much more severe
No salary cap.
One draft for all amateur players.
Stiffer penalties for each level of the luxury tax.
Additionally, stiffer penalties for teams NOT spending.
IMHO: Baseball needs to be left alone!! This past year’s World Series was played by 2 of the highest spending teams, and the best team won!! Not because of how much they spent, but because they got hot at the right time!! The year before(’23) was played by 2 #6 seeded W.C teams, and the best team won because they got hot at the right time. Yes sometimes spending is out of control, but the spending does not guarantee success. If you place a cap in baseball, the league will no longer receive the overage fees from the CBT taxes the teams pay, that some of which is going to pay the younger players the extra money they are not getting because they have not reached arbitration yet. I do agree that some things need to change, but a salary cap/floor is not one of them. Thanks for the speaking floor!!! Have a great night!! 26 days till teams start to report for spring training, I CAN’T WAIT!!!!
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Here are my thoughts:
1. I don’t want a cap at all. If the owners want to throw around insane amounts of money to put a better product on the field, as a fan I welcome that.
2. In fact, more owners need to have that mindset. So rather than a cap, I want a floor. They don’t need to set a cap to set a floor, and the floor amount doesn’t need to be arbitrary. They can back into it by setting it at a certain level beneath whatever level of spending gets you to 49% of the previous season’s total leaguewide revenue. Divide that figure by 30, and there you go. Each team is required to spend that much at a minimum. Based on the 2023 league revenue of $11.34 billion per Statista, players should have been paid roughly $5.55 billion which works out to $185 million per team. Let’s say we set the floor at 80% of that, then every team would’ve been required to spend $148 million. The good news? That’s not that crazy! 14 teams already did that in 2024. Another handful were within shouting distance of it. This doesn’t have to turn into the NBA where you get complete random scrubs getting massive insane contracts like Timofey Mozgov in 2016.
3. The “Dodgers problem” can be fixed with some simple accounting rules. I have nothing wrong with deferring money as a concept, it is a great way to help the players spread out their income which can help with longevity and potentially reduce their taxes. It also helps teams because it allows them to pay players their worth without putting excess stress on year-to-year finances. There’s no reason to discourage deferred money, but it needs to be accounted for in a way that doesn’t give the mega market teams a tool to evade the luxury tax. So make a guy’s CBT earnings equal to the AAV of the contract. A 10 year, $700 million deal should be a $70 million CBT value, even if half of that money is deferred. Problem solved.
4. I’m for equal leaguewide revenue sharing of all TV/streaming money. Teams that are collecting more than they contribute to the revenue share pool should be required to spend a certain percentage of the difference on player salaries or have their entire share clawed back from the league if they don’t.
5. There needs to be an international draft. Clearly, the international bonus pool system hasn’t created a level enough playing field. Time to fix that and instill a draft.
Let’s imagine a real free market MLB. (1) No more baseball draft, every amateur is a free agent. (2) MLB teams contract with each other as to how much of the gate receipts, TV revenue, and any other relevant income stream the home team will pay to the away team for playing. (3) All teams can have no more than 120 players under contract at any time. This is the one basic rule that MLB members have to abide by to be in MLB. (4) Player contracts can be sold at any time. (5) Any player who doesn’t make a team’s 40 man roster within 5 years becomes a free agent. (6) Any player dropped from the 40 man becomes a free agent. (7) For items (5) & (6), the original contracting team is liable for any salary remaining under the player contract. Those contracts don’t count against the 120 player max. (8) By a vote of 75% of the teams, an underperforming team can be suspended from MLB or the ownership is forced to sell the team. Just some ideas for an orderly free market MLB.
I love free market economics, but the problem here is pro sports leagues are a cartel and not a free market. They are always going to be a cartel, so while free market thinking is almost always the answer in the broad economy it’s not always going to be the best answer in this market. First and foremost the goal of a cartel is to ensure the stability of the cartel. The current path MLB is on is not sustainable for the cartel because the smaller market teams are getting left behind by the financial behemoths. Giving even more advantages to the financial behemoths is not going to help solve anything.
Exactly, pro sports leagues are not a free market, because not anyone can form a team and join the league. About the only “free market” part of baseball is free agency. The league is a monopoly and the MLB players’ union is also a monopoly. When you have one monopoly bargaining with another monopoly, the outcome is indeterminate.. Minor league players get screwed because they aren’t in the union. Fans get screwed because we put up with an overpriced product.
It doesn’t matter if anyone wants a salary cap or not, it’s never going to happen.
I agree with the sentiment, but stop short of “never.” The idea that a group of 1,200 players that have never been tested on this will definitely never agree to a cap, I’m not convinced. I don’t know the percent chance that MLB breaks ’em, but it’s not zero.
You don’t have to be convinced. It’s never. It’s 0%. The baseball union is so strong. It will not happen. Repeat it will not happen.
We will have to agree to disagree on this.
You: 0%
Me: >0%
OK, and when do we have a resolution to this? I mean there’s not an end date to never having something so how will I prove to be right? Do I have to wait 10 years to say I told you so? 20 years? I’m good with just saying it right now. Lol. I’m just having fun with you but honestly it’s not going to happen.
We can never know who was right.
I believe it’s highly unlikely the players agree to a salary cap in the next CBA. Just don’t think it’s zero. If the owners ever give it a 1994-style shot again, they then also didn’t think it was zero.
I think few things in life are ever definitive, but I feel so strongly about it I will say this, baseball isn’t getting a salary cap. Even if it does, that’s not the be all end all to all issues. But these players are never going to let their salaries get limited. That players union is too ferocious. You bring up 1994 well if they were ever going to get a salary cap it would’ve been then. The time has come and gone.
The problem is that MLB has nothing to offer the PA that’s the equivalent of a cap. A floor is worth way less to them than not having a cap.
Well put
I’d expect they’ll offer a bunch of goodies that they say more than balance out a cap.
Tim Dierkes:
Sounds good in theory, but what kind of “goodies” can the owners offer that would make it worth their while for the players to accept a salary cap? I can’t even imagine what that would equate to.
You’re asking me to take the side of “players should accept a salary cap because it’s good for them.” That’s not something I believe, so it’s hard.
But off the top of my head, they could offer a salary floor (they’d almost certainly include that), a notably higher minimum salary, arbitration for all players with 2 years (or even less) of service, and elimination of the QO system.
They’d also offer their own data purporting to demonstrate that their new cap system will actually make players more money. They may also try to demonstrate a system that would pay pre-free agency players much better.
Tim Dierkes
A good reasonable argument. A salary floor definitely helps players but capping the salaries is going to hurt the high-end players, and those are the guys with the power and I don’t think they’re ever going to agree to it. Or it will be like the NFL where the quarterbacks are making all the money and then other positions like running back are upset that they are getting squeezed out because they’re considered to be not as important. So certain positions are going to start getting paid less and that’s not going to sit well with the players. Those other things you mentioned would help, but I just can’t see it being that the players are ever going to cave in and let their salaries get capped. I think it’s the one thing that’s completely nonnegotiable for them. Plus, I think there’ll be issues with the owners as well. As much as they want to cap salaries there’s plenty of owners that don’t want to see a floor.
Tim- if they offered the PA something that they thought would pay the players more…they wouldn’t offer it.
Owners are interested in keeping salaries low, not redistributing it from top players to lower players. In theory this hurts small market teams more to the benefit of large market teams.
I’m not sure if I want a salary cap, but if it happened, there would need to be a minimum salary cap as well, and likely other concessions. Speaking of, forcing MLB owners to take a page out of the Atlanta Falcons playbook and charging reasonable prices for food/drink would also be a huge addition to such a package.
At the end of the day, the goal has to be to limit the runaway money everyone but the fans are seeing. Otherwise, you continue to jeopardize the future of America’s pastime.
No cap is needed with 12 teams making the playoffs. All teams have enough revenue to field a team that can make the playoffs. The teams that consistently don’t make the playoffs make poor decisions, or pocket money that should be spent on payroll.
Will a salary cap also come with a ticket and comcessions price cap?
A cap is an obvious solution but not a good one. If it is a sport management video game, then all managers should have equal resources. Now back to reality, many don’t realize that none of the owners or the players care about parity. MLB restricts the number of teams to 30 so there is a barrier to entry, securing the excess profit of owners. The MLBPA is less of a trouble but it is a monopoly when it can unify players and go on strike.
Americans don’t realize they live in a country controlled by monopoly and/or oligopoly, when the essence of your country is free market. Owners should be allowed to build new teams wherever they want; Fans should not be blacked out and they should have the freedom to watch all games they want, at their own cost of course; TV stations and online broadcasters should bid for broadcasting rights equally; Top 30 teams can compete in the major league but other teams can compete in lower level leagues for chances of promotion to the major.
Think more about free market, rather than market regulations. The owners are fooling you and making more and more profit by hypocritically calling for parity in the form of a salary cap.
Good points here.
Particularly that owners nor players care about parity. They might start to if league revenue goes down, but that hasn’t happened.
One thing will never change–in either football or baseball. Quality management counts–in choosing a coach/manager, in drafting, in deciding who to trade for. Having been a Jets fan shows this over and over. In baseball there are teams that are managed well, and some who you just scratch your head (or rage at). Assuming you get the cap (and floor) you can’t engineer-by-structure a quality product–or parity. .
As fans of English football (soccer) and Ted Lasso know, the worst teams in the English Premier League are relegated to a lower league until they improve.
I voted ‘yes’ to both, and I’m a Dodgers fan.
I know people say things – like they will move out of the country if their candidate doesn’t win, yet few actually follow through with those dramatic claims. However, after a long talk with family and friends we have come to a group decision to not attend any MLB games this season. There’s no one thing, we just feel like the game is going down an ugly path. The Roki charade followed by the Tanner Scott signing was one F U too many coming from down south. So let the Dodger$ play the season alone, win everything they need to, and the rest of us will just carry on with our non-baseball lives. For what it’s worth, and I’m sure it’s basically nothing, we’re talking over 200 tickets, plus parking, plus food and miscellaneous. Caveat – if LA starts to lose like crazy, we will reassess!
Tell it goodbye I agree I had enough I made similar decision to check out . The Roki decision and the way it was played out was fishy . Of course nothing can do just like. I cancelled everything MlB won’t get a dime from me until rules change so rich don’t get richer .
I did the same with my mlb season streaming subscription as well…cancelled. Usually spend a good chunk on team apparel…but not anymore.
Prices of game day tickets and or anything associated with the MLB will naturally only go higher and higher like any other sport…and while I don’t mind spending some…when that $15 stadium hot dog becomes a $25 one soon…you guys and gals can have it.
I think some of these players are truly rare & awesome talents in the world…but also feel the owners and them make more then enough right now if you ask me…so Manfred and co. can kicks rocks, blow bubbles, or whatever they do…it’s time for me to find a new pastime.
Beauty of this country is every body has that choice…one can stay loyal or move on if they really want to…
…like the great Bob Ueker once said: “juuusssttt…a…bit outsiiiddde!”
Def not saying it for all, but in my grand scheme of things…that’s the way the MLB feels to me now…if you know what I mean:)
Bob Uecker that is…one the best…
What difference would it make? The Dodgers and wealthy teams would still skirt it by deferring money. Then the best international free agents sign with the wealthy teams because they are the Dodgers, Yankees and Red Sox. The low market teams can’t keep up with them. The Rays and Guardians are an exception. They have a great player development department.
There needs to be a salary floor, as in a team below the floor loses all shared revenue, all draft picks, all international money, etc.
More players would make more money by imposing a cap and floor than under the present system Middle relievers may have longer careers.
Superstars could still get paid market rates, but clubs would have to do be creative in balancing and drafting. They should probably offer the players an international draft with a slot system like the Americans go through. No more postings and no more postings or signing kids at 14.
And, I would also give up the entire 2027 year to get rid of the Manfred Man in the extra innings
I would be willing to see them continue to allow 1B to be stolen by a battery at any count. It would make every pitch more exciting
I couldn’t care less about a salary cap but if that’s what’s needed to get a floor I’m all in favor. Profligate spenders like the Dodgers don’t usually win championships but bottom feeders like my A’s just about never do. Maybe a decent floor would motivate penny pinchers like John Fisher to SELL THE TEAM!
The little metric club think that the owners pay the players’ salaries.
… adults know that that fans do
All this talk about a salary cap just because the Dodgers have signed what feels like every available free agent.
The Dodgers want to win. Teams are owned by billionaires who cry poor because if they sign a player to a 12 year, 500 million dollar deal then they won’t make a profit.
With a few exceptions, EVERY team can do what the Dodgers are doing but they won’t do it.
Wrong
Every team with a few exceptions can do what the dodgers are doing
No they can’t
The Dodgers are literally throwing the deferred money into essentially a savings account letting interest accrue and using that to pay off everyone’s deferred money.
When all is said and done they’ll be pay everyone off and make a small profit simply because of the banking aspect associated with their ownership group.
Not all ownership groups have anywhere close to that kind of financial power to back those kinds of investments
How many teams do you think have 680 million in available funds lying around to toss into a savings account for Ohtani? Serious question. I’d wager 5.
That’s not how deferrals work
Sorry to burst your bubble but that’s exactly how deferred money works.
Deferred money is put into an escrow account- a secure place to hold money or assets until certain conditions are met and in the state of CA banks are required to pay interest on escrow accounts.
Dodgers don’t pay Ohtani until 2034 meaning that 680 million is gaining interest for 9-10 years along with however much more deferrals they add to that escrow account. Theres no rule saying each player needs their own escrow account so any deferred money dodgers are putting into the same one as ohtanis letting interest do it thing.
Still wrong. Accounts are funded not all at once but as they go on a year by year basis. Any team can do deferrals.
That doesn’t mean they can do them to the same degree, but the deferral itself has no effect on whether a free agent can be signed
by a team.
In Ohtani’s case, $2M goes to Ohtani, $44M goes into escrow and starts earning interest. The next year same thing. The Dodgers fund the account according to the terms of the contract. At the end of the term the money in the account is worth $70M per year and gets paid out then.
Pittsburgh Pirates could do the same thing with Ke’Bryan Hayes. He’s due to make about $7M this year. If they both agreed, he could be paid $4M this year and have $3M go into an escrow account where it would earn interest. At the end of the term he could be paid out $5M, or whatever they agreed upon.
Literally any team can do it and it’s spelled out in the CBA.
Incorrect. Once again. Droppedonyourheadasakid is a more appropriate username for you
Because of the nature of the amount of money involved and it’s required to be in an escrow account yes required the account should reflect 680 million+ accruing interest over the specified time period 2025-2034
A pay as you go structure makes that arrangement impossible since the interest accruing on monthly payments per year isn’t the same as it accruing on 680 mill and it’s interest every year
Pay as you go would force the dodgers to pay out a few 25-50 mill out of their own pockets to make up for the interest payments being severely short if not more just on ohtanis contract.
Dodgers are many things but dumb enough to cost themselves 25-50 mill 10 years down the road isn’t one of them.
I see what you do with your extra chromosome.
The payout isn’t a lump sum either but rather over a staggered 10 year period. Each year can be treated as its own calculation.
But you’ve got your own narrative. Rock on.
Payout still reflects 680 mill with interested accrued over the 10 year period in the escrow account. Ohtani isn’t charging the dodgers interest meaning they dodgers will keep the interest portion of whatever his account accrues the next 10 years. Hence the small portion I originally stated.
Math is hard for you. I get it. Your parents should have done a better job not letting your head make contact with the ground so often.
It’s also the deferred money aspect to the hatred AND escalating cost of FAs l. On what planet is Soto worth more than Ohtani, even with a longer deal? The Mets are dumping a ton of money into the system, along with the Yankees.
The real currency of all sports is hope, not money. With the big spenders basically repeating in the postseason this century (not necessarily winning the WS), they are cutting off hope for all other teams boys foreclosing hope
Smaller market teams have to create “windows” of opportunities, and then have to suck when their team gets too expensive
The big spenders do not have to create windows ..they just buy it every year. And if they don’t like what they bought, they eat enough of the players salary to make it affordable for other teams to trade quality prospects to offset their lower draft picks
The current system is not working. It’s time to do something else.
Tim, I’d love to see the data for the results for fans of all teams except the Dodgers, Yankees, and Mets. My bet is that it would skew much more heavily towards a mandatory salary cap, even if it cost the sport a year ,(I doubt that it will last that long)
David MLB has ALWAYS been this way though. Small markets and even large markets operate on windows, the difference is that big markets can shorten losing windows or extend them to a certain degree. The problem is that fans are looking at this through a very narrow lense. Longterm, the game has always been this way.
Reds owner has 400 million.
No fool will spend every pennie they own & the
N haves pandemicc& make nothing!
Reds sell tickets as low as $5 Fodgers lowest probability &50
You must share tv revenue & have a cap
A floor & a ceiling it’s the only way to fix the game
& the foreigners that sign must count as their draft pick at the very least
@joegriff Revenue sharing already exists in MLB. Cheap owners of teams like the Reds and Pirates make millions off of the profits that the Dodgers make.
I’ve been trading seasons for decades. <~~~ Pirates fans #SellTheTeam
All this because the Dodgers spent a bunch of money and won 1 World Series? We haven’t had a repeat champion since 2000 and now competitive balance is so off we need a cap? How about you let the next couple years play out…we seen this century, the Tigers, Cardinals x2, Marlins, Royals, Diamondbacks, Nationals and Braves all win WS Titles and the Rays x2, Royals x2, Tigers x2, Rockies, Diamondbacks, Cardinals x2 and Indians all make the WS…but now the games broken because the Dodgers spent a bunch of money and so far won 1 title? Just seems like a huge over reaction.
Number of professional sports without a salary cap? Enough said. The dodgers made themselves their own worst enemy. Declining fan base and revenue but f it just sign who we want and pay them later? Come on. Under the table deals and a gambling gig which true or false would anger “every pete rose fan” and rightfully so. I love baseball, probably more than any of these admins (very serious about that statement) but just because i have more than most (also a reality) doesn’t mean i drive a vehicle thats less than 11 years old. Facts. Big markets have the most money and drive revenue but there is a reason why EVERY. SINGLE. OTHER.
Professional sport has a cap. Players themselves bite the bullet if they choose to play for a “super team”
Adding to that and the ‘government’ investigating whatever it is they do for whatever reason they are doing it? Use your brain.
Ticket sales and revenue are up.
In LA? I’m sure
In MLB
First $20 Million over the threashold, 100%. Second $20 Million, 150%. Next $20 Million, 200%. Anything over, 500%. And 80% of revenue sharing should be spent on roster every year.
What’s more important is a salary floor that is tied to the luxury tax or salary cap. In the NFL, teams must spend at least 89% of the salary cap over a four-year period. Maybe in baseball that could be 70 or 80% including draft picks, international signings, minor league contracts and the like.
Salary cap yes. Not all teams have financial resources as dodgers Mets Yankees etc
Capping or eliminating deferred money per year. Yes. Again not all teams like dodger Mets Yankees can toss lump sums of money into a bank associated with their ownership group let it mature the next 20 years and not owe Ohtani a damn thing cause interest will pay off what he’s owed and others money who they deferred as well.
Change it so the contract reflects cbt hits as signed not as reduced by deferred money? Yes.
Ifa draft? No. Just toss everyone into one draft pool and increase slot values for the first 30 rounds. Really no different than nba drafting high schoolers vs college players back in the day.
Would I lose a 2027 season over it? Sure would
MLB was literally ready to step in and veto judge to padres deal cause of deferred money structure but suddenly dodgers can play tax dodger cause it’s the dodgers. F that. Mlb willing to mess with one teams contract structures but not another shows the system needs fixing even if it costs mlb a season.
Everything you just said is categorically wrong.
Didn’t disprove one thing I said as wrong. Saying the equivalent of nut uh means you’re full of it.
You obviously don’t know teams are required to put deferred money into escrow accounts
You obviously also dont know in the state of CA where the dodgers are located banks are required to pay interest on escrow accounts
You obviously also also dont know there’s no rule stating each player needs their own escrow account meaning dodgers can toss all deferred money into the same one as ohtanis
I get it. You’re poor and don’t have enough money to know how a savings account works but billions of dollars accruing interest over the next 10 years is gonna pay off any deferred money owed to players including Ohtani and leave some for a small profit.
They are absolutely not lump sum funded. They are pay as they go, year by year. And yes, any team can do them.
Many escrow accounts when dealing with interest require the funds to be in there esp such large sums cause since the money is required, yes required, to be in the account banks aren’t taking chances they come up short on interest payments under a pay as you go structure in case payments are missed or short.
As long as sucker taxpayers dump millions into building and maintaining stadiums the market will favor high salaries. Socialism for billioniares but no national health care. And these billioniares are paying less and less in taxes. Whatever.
From the article… the most important…. “Assuming the MLBPA has enough solidarity under Tony Clark and Bruce Meyer to match its legacy,…..” And the MLBPA under Clark and Meyer is so weak they will never convince players to hold out. Way too much money being made by the players to do anything different.
All tv revenue needs to be split.
Large market teams have no league if small market teams decide to not play.
A team spending 368 million playing a team spending 100million is called a champion if they win the series!
Seriously, you’re proud of beating up on teams that can afford 1/4 your payroll.
Unbelievable….they should be ashamed!
It’s not supposed to be about how much money you can make it’s supposed to be how good the sport is the competition on the field revenue should be divided at least TV revenue ain’t no game to show if the small market team isn’t playing cause that’s what it’s gonna end up happening how much fun is it to ripper team that can never win I’m a Reds fan at least I have a chance Rockies. They don’t have a chance they’re not gonna compete against the Dodgers in fact, any team in that division hasn’t really had a chance unless they spend two and 300 million just for the Dodgers to increase their pay or get some people from Japan to play on their team and don’t even have to give up draft picks to do it. They have free players Superstars use your brains people I’m done that’s enough. I love baseball, but please fix it.
if you play the “we will take our ball and go home” card, i’m fairly certain the Pirates would lose a lot more than Dodgers. There are tons of cities that can support a franchise heck baseball can go international. Not that any of this would ever happen we are just crazy fans arguing in a message board but yea…
Deferred money needs to count 100% against the luxury tax or shouldn’t be allowed.
I’d be inclined to add salary floor, limit defer money total usage and amount of usage, say 1-2 deferal contracts every other year max value 20% of avg mlb team salary. International draft, easier pathway to FA. Increase tax penalties, draft penalties for repeat offenders. Change roster to 27 players. If teams don’t spend a certain amount, the difference gets split with the MLB roster like NBA
how would you handle the non-income tax states having an advantage… maybe calculate the tax as if it is universal and add it to the total luxury tax amount?
Not a Dodgers fan, but this is not the first or last team in MLB history to spend big and most of those teams do not simply spend their way to titles and those payrolls also do not last forever. Teams like the A’s used to run huge payrolls, things change over time.
And what is the obsession with parity? If everyone gets a championship do any championships matter? As the post notes, the dodgers aren’t guaranteed any titles and the insane playoff format makes it almost a moot point anyway when an 82 win team can make the World Series.
The only thing the parity conversation has given us is teams that tank and the Jerry Reinsdorfs of the world. I’m no Phillies fan either but very supportive of their owner who realises the point is you spend to put a great team on the field to try and WIN. And yet here’s a post asking if we should stop that, at the cost of an entire season, in a sport that’s already hugely declined in popularity and desperately needs stars and marketable teams. Amazing.
The MLB rewards tanking, and penalizes teams that spend and compete, trying to make the playoffs and up each year.
That is much more of an issue in my opinion.
They also reward owners of small market teams by not forcing them to spend 100% of their revenue sharing income on the players and coaching staff. I can understand teams getting revenue sharing, but cannot accept them pocketing said money instead of spending it.
There also HAS to be a re-evaluation of player compensation.
Juan Soto’s deal changes EVERYTHING after Ohtani’s deal changed EVERYTHING.
4th and 5th slot rotation starters making 16-20 million.
Setup men making 10 million.
The inflation of salaries is insane.
The players need to make 3-4 times more in thier pre-arbitration years (based upon performance of course) in exchange for capping Free Agent earning potential with a max contract like in the NBA.
A Larry Bird rule should also be implemented, covering players brought up in a teams system that sticks in the big league team, and players that were traded for using prospects.
No. I don’t support a cap nor a lockout. If the owners of your team refuse to put a competitive product on the field then root for a different team. The Dodgers aren’t doing anything wrong. They have a great ownership group who will put a winning team on the field. Let’s Go Dodgers!
Would it also be accompanied by a salary floor for the anit-Dodgers owners that pinch pennies every chance they get while hoarding revenue sharing handouts?
Make exceeding the flexible cap truly expensive. You could still sign a Soto or Ohtani at what they signed for but the penalty would be loss of draft picks and tax penalties that would escalate higher and faster and stay longer than current ones. Loss of all International picks for 3 years if you exceed the “cap” by over $100 million, for example. Cut other picks by 50% or 75%.
In short, change the dynamics and force teams to grow their own. It would be better for baseball and all the cities which have teams at every level.
Also a ticket price freeze that would promote attendance over profits.
The players coming from off-shore are going up and the current draft controls don’t appear adequate. And stimulating baseball in US and Canada needs to be a priority.
Be creative. Baseball is on the brink and billionaire corporations can hijack the World Series if something isn’t done. Example: limit number of free agents a team can sign each year above a certain salary level.
Have to something about deferred money in contracts. The Dodgers have 8 contracts that they deferred money in and that deferred money is over a billion dollars. Sorry, that’s ridiculous. Either get rid of deferred money in contracts, like the NHL is discussing doing with the players apparently willing to do so, or put a limit on the number of contracts that can have deferred money & a limit on the percentage of the contract that can be deferred. This would prevent the Dodgers from deferring 90% of a contract like they did with Ohtani.
Whatever the solution, all I know is even the local paper concedes my Padres have no chance to win their division, and the same team has won it for a decade straight, minus one fluke year.
That just is not a product I am compelled to spend my time on. I am dreading the upcoming season, not looking forward to it.
Something has to change.
Hard no to salary caps but they need to yet rid of differed money.
Teams are absolutely betting on the a Collective Bargaining Agreement having a salary cap in the future with no penalties towards buyouts/deferred money.
I’m also sick of owners crying the blues when they have teams all valued at billions and don’t want to spend a 100M-200M+ payrolls.
The sport has revenue in it, why are we punishing the teams who want to win every year and rewarding the teams like the former Oakland As?
A lot of people seem to forget that the large markets drove salaries beyond most teams ability to pay.
So they need to suck it up and help to solve the monster that they created. Players need to help save the sport or they will be losing a lot of jobs in the next decade.
Floor and ceiling, all local TV money shared equally, international draft, full value of deferred money in that given year, no shenanigans to avoid a cap.
There will still be mismanagement, of course, but it will be a more even playing field.
When the average baseball fan is over 50, and you are losing a lot of those, you have a problem. You can save your sport or watch it die.
I would get rid of
1. Loopholes
2. Deferred Contracts
3. Boras Nonsense
Yes I would have a salary cap
I would force all the owners to be audited and open the books
Get rid of the baloney commercials the MLB added to Mlb Extra Innings….let the fans see the local commercials again
Plus force the fans of baseball to actually fund the league…you should not make non fans pay for baseball or sports…
I don’t ask for much….but you can file all of this happening….under Never
Good, those are all terrible ideas.
Salary caps are anti-labor and anti-worker. Unless you want someone to put a cap on how much you make at your job, a worker should never support these measures. Every single owner of a baseball team is a billionaire whose multi-million dollar making baseball team is basically a side-hustle, AND they often they shift the tax burden to the middle and lower class by not paying their fair share of income tax, and getting tax and property incentives AND tax payer money to build their revenue generating stadiums. Don’t support a salary cap just because the billionaire owner of your favorite team is stealing from right under your nose.
There IS a cap to what people make at their job. Any job has a salary range. Maybe you should understand how American corporate business really works.
No salary cap. The compete level of teams in the current system is off the charts.
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To answer the question posed, absolutely yes. Salary cap AND floor with a narrow corridor between the two, like the NFL.
There is absolutely a spending problem in MLB, and it’s got nothing to do with the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, or even the Padres (who everyone seems to forget spent $888 million during the 2023 offseason) — it’s the cheap billionaire owners who lie and pretend that they’re doing their best to win. Do y’all really think the Marlins and Pirates are doing everything they can to win?
As for deferrals, there’s not really any point for in-depth discussion when so many are ignorant as to how future dollars compare to dollars today. Y’all never heard of inflation?
Also, I’ve noticed a lot of talk about parity between large and small markets, and how the NFL is the model and MLB is broken in comparison. Yet, if you look at each sport’s respective 2024 playoff teams, they’re basically all from the same markets. What gives?
MLB – NFL
LA – LA
KC – KC
BAL – BAL
SD – LA
PHI – PHI
HOU – HOU
DET – DET
MIL – GB
The KC Chiefs have won three out of the last five Superbowls, including the last two as back-to-back champs.
Meanwhile, there hasn’t been a back-to-back WS winner in MLB since the three-peat Yankees from 1998-2000 — which was 23 seasons ago.
Yet somehow the NFL is lauded as the model for parity and the MLB is seen as a dumpster fire.
Well take the Commanders….went from drafting the 2nd pick to the NFC Championship game and maybe the Super Bowl because of Jayden Daniels
Houston went from 2nd pick to playoffs with CJ Stroud
You don’t see that in MLB too often. I guess you can say Kansas City with Bobby Witt Jr getting into the playoffs. It’s just sad to know that Witt’s time in Kansas City is ticking and that Kansas City has to trade him in a couple years because they know they can’t re-sign him he’d cost too much. Paul Skenes in Pittsburgh is going to be priced out of his team, it’s just not a good look for baseball.
I completely agree that this is a bad look for baseball; I just disagree with how the discussion is being framed. Instead of “Are the Dodgers ruining baseball by spending money?” we should be talking about “How many MLB teams are legitimately trying to win a WS in 2025?”
For example, two days ago, the owner of the Cubs (a large market) said “We [the Cubs ownership] just try to break even every year.” Does anybody really believe that? And if they’re struggling just to break even every year, why not cash out and sell the team?
I mean, the Ricketts family’s net worth is $5.3 billion — do y’all really think they’d be doing the baseball thang if it wasn’t getting them a return on investment? Be real.
Edit: parts of this post are just me thinking out loud, and not necessarily meant as a direct response to kingbum (All Hail Kingbum!!!).
Yes. I agree with that. Giants owners say it constantly and their spending supports it.
I believe they work for the capital gain. The guys who buy these teams don’t need personal cash flow year to year. They have that covered before they buy a team. It’s a long term investment that pays out when you sell. They work at increasing that pay out number.
I’m not sure a salary cap addresses parity much unless players’ private marketing/endorsement earnings are somehow considered, which would be extremely difficult. What can player earn playing in LA or NY vs Cincinnati? There’s also national and international deals and what does the brand of a team attached to that star player do for their earnings?
MLB has major integrity issues. Shut it down for a year.
I’d vote for giving the Dodgers twice as much money via a tax on every other team if MLB banned sports gambling in every park and on every broadcast and fined anyone who so much as used a draft kings water bottle in the stands.
And I hate the Dodgers.
MLB does not have open books but we do have an idea from a couple of sources. First, the Braves are owned by Liberty Media and their books are open. No, the Braves could not afford a $370M payroll. Forbes Business of Baseball has been put out annually for over 20 years. It’s an educated guess but the best we have. From them, the Dodgers probably can’t afford $370M payroll. Following them for years a few themes come out. First, richer teams are generally owned by richer individuals. They also make less money on a year to year basis than the smaller market teams. Even if smaller market teams spend all profits on player salaries they still couldn’t come close to what the richest teams spend.
Sports that have a cap also have the cap based on a percentage of revenue. Revenue disparity between large and small market teams is larger than in any of the capped sports. IF MLB had a cap based on a percentage of revenue it would still likely be high enough to not really be effective. So it would have to be set lower than that which would shrink the share of revenue the players get. There would have to be a mechanism for the players to get money outside of the cap. A pool of money the players could control. That might be the only way the players would agree to a cap.
Parity is what makes the NFL great. You can’t have parity without a cap and floor. Now some markets don’t even deserve a team because baseball just isn’t a thing there, it lacks fan support. The Florida teams come to mind, Tampa and Miami fans go to games to do other things other than watch baseball.
This article is reflection deadcatting 🙂
Why not write an article on “The field of Schemes”. Kind of open the door, strip some blinders off, of the people being headed ?
Write an article on 1972 Flood V Kuhn? Why did no one consider these cost saving wages when 40 milb teams were being cut?
The CAP push “Talk” is to prepare for whats coming in the next 4 years. With the courts ruling on the collegiate levels that tackled what amounts to antitrust violations and prohabitions, the writing is on the wall for the MLB and it’s protection against antitrust laws.
So a cap benefits the owners and teams, nothing else. A cap means more revenue from TV rights and endorsements, not less. Tickets won;t get cheaper, apparel won’t get cheaper, only players will get cheaper. There is a, as my conspiratorial mind sees it, concerted push through antics over the last 2 years for that direction. Name a year, hell, name 10 combined, where deferment exceeded 1,000,000,000 by the entire league, much less 1 team. This is abuse with intent and it is not to BUY WINS!
So, vote for or against, as it is moot and more prestidigitation to me. Antitrust laws will be pressed, MLB will loose it’s protection, and a “Change” will have happened in 1 manner or another prior to that, so maybe that is where the cap talks…but no…these and this article all stem from Kelly’s rant on a podcast 🙂
but it does not detract from what is happening in the courts, in deferment, and with fans who are fed up.
Ex-Dodgers fan
Major League teams don’t release their financials to the public for a reason. A salary cap will only benefit the owners.
The “greedy owners” are being replaced by the greedy players association and their greedy minions, Scott Boras.
Man what a terrible article. MLBTR should be ashamed of themselves. Tongues planted firmly on the boots of MLB owners, giving them exactly the type of coverage and spin they want. This is utterly pathetic. I’m done with this site.
you seem fun
Such a silly thing to say if you’d A) actually read the article or B) read anything I’ve written on labor basically.
The problem isn’t a salary cap. Dodgers have won one 162-game World Series since 1988, and the Yanks none in 15 years.
The problem is we need a salary floor or introduce relegation. The Marlins are the poster franchise for bad budgets. Not the Dodgers.
Sure….. let the inmates run the show……
Like when these idiots let the kids “vote” on social issues and how to run the schools to “empower” the kids……
Yeah, they’re kids….
YOU are the adult, the leader = the one who is being paid to guide these kids
Instead we have kids telling the adults?
Gee, a bunch of kids snickering because they’re getting away with the chitlins.
Tired of the comment “They’ve deferred money for decades…”
Don’t matter, we’re complaining NOW!
1 team has over done it and made a mockery of that rule. Only stupid people think humans can’t react and change something gone off the rails.
Kind of like gun owners who claim they have the right to military firearms to “protect they’re house” because they get a chub watching the original Red Dawn movie.
Intelligence dictates the vast majority of MLB teams CANNOT afford to do what the Dodgers do, and the vast majority of the fans hate it too.
If they’ll never agree to a floor/cap then ban deferred payments and play it straight up. They’ll adjust and fans will rejoice. All those who support 29 of the 30 teams that is. Heaven forbid the Dodgers only have the highest payrolls and not be able to afford a $400m+ payroll after the next CBA.
Want to make mb competitive without screwing over the players?
If a team finishes last in their division three times in 5 years the franchise is rebooted.
– all players on the 40 man can opt out
– all minor league players become rule 5 eligible
I don’t know about the MLB, but Chris Illich has had a spending problem for a long while now. 10+ years.
Rebuild as an excuse.
But never once, did they fork out for JUST ONE MLB LEVEL PLAYER TO TRADE AND ENTERTAIN THE FANS until just this year.
They stink.
And it really is a waste of my time to support them.
The Illiches are not sincere.
I don’t think its a cap problem.
I think it is an INTEGRITY PROBLEM.
The owners look at fans as easy marks and when it get right down to it, they have very little respect for their customers.
They’re fn billionaires for Christ’s sake…..
WTF, they can’t give a little bit? To help.out our country?
No.
I guess not.
The last lockout was bad for the owners, and the fans largely blamed owners over the players. Things might shake out differently this time as more fans might put the blame on the players. It’s a fight of millionaires vs. billionaires. And while some of us might not like siding with the billionaires the reality is they’re going to be rich no matter what and they will always pass along their inflating payrolls to fans. If they want a salary cap in a baseball I say let them have it, and maybe someone other than NYM or LAD will win the world series the next ten years.
Uh, the Mets haven’t won a World Series since 1986. The Dodgers have won only twice since 1988.
There have been plenty of other teams that have won in between.
The Mets have just started to spend, and two of those LA wins were within the last 5 years, kind of curious why you decided to go back to 1988. The 2024 LA dodgers are not the dodgers of the 90’s
Shouldn’t be a cap, if teams are willing to pay the tax penalties then so be it, the problem is you have teams like Miami doing nothing, that’s the true crime, it’s disgusting to see how the Marlins are run, cause no one can say Miami is a small market, or that players don’t want to play there, cause last time the Marlins spent money they grabbed some of the best players, I know people say oh their tv deal sucks, sure it does, look how they are run, if you spend money on players if you keep winning and not doing fire sales every few years fans won’t check out mentally and will show up to games, will watch the game on TV that would allow the team to have a bigger rights fee, that would lead to more tickets sold, but nooooo can’t do that, Miami is a sleeping giant, just need good ownership to wake it up, cause what’s going down ain’t it.
Communist baseball ? One salary fits all ? Why should the fans or the players go to watch or play such nonsense ? Detroit, Kansas city, Cleveland competed very well. Now the howls that the game is broken ? To quote the idiot leaving “COME ON MAN”!
A whole lot of players play for the minimums, and the high pay gives everyone a target to aim for. Free market works well. Commie baseball won’t work here. There’s a reason I don’t watch other sports because you need real skills to play baseball. I’m not looking to make the players play for less than the market will bear. Bregman and Alonso and other still looking for work, the free market works.
Those teams had zero chance of winning the World Series
Genuinely curious as to what commenters think about what the owners should give to get the MLBPA to consent to a cap? And, what they should give each other, since each team is a separate business, and the health of that business is both measured by secular factors like size of market and and “esthetic” factors like quality of management.
Mikenmn — Good question. Giving up the Salary Cap would be the Holy Grail to owners. Seems like the players could/should ask for the moon.
What is the impossible ask the Players could/should want.. that’s a billion dollar question.
I got nothing.
There is nothing more valuable to them than blocking a cap. Nothing.
What a stupid question. Whoever wrote this, do you remember what the strike did to baseball after 1994?! This I feel like comes from some loser who doesn’t care about the game that wants to make changes so everyone that doesn’t care about baseball becomes a little interested. Ridiculous ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS to even think baseball would be Better off canceling a season for a salary cap
Yes, I remember the 1994 strike and have read a good bit about it as well.
“doesn’t care about the game” – it’s literally my livelihood
“wants to make changes” – nothing advocated for in the article
“baseball would be better off” – did not say anything remotely like this and in fact, if I’m making a point it’s the opposite of this.
My recommendation would be to carefully read the article, think about what it says and does not say, and only then write a comment.
Such a strange construct because (1) if the problem is one team spending too much, there are solutions other than a salary cap (for example, changing luxury tax penalties, changes to the draft and international pool allocations, free agency/QO, etc) and because (2) usually a salary cap comes with a floor as part of CBA negotiations, which solves a different problem (teams spending too little). In any event, my team will still suck in 2027 and I might have lost interest in baseball entirely by that point so WTF do I care.
It’s not a strange construct because like I said, the salary cap is both the most obvious thing and also something owners have wanted and tried for to the point of getting a season cancelled for it (and who knows, they might’ve let 1995 get cancelled too if they could have). The idea that owners will make a big push again on this is entirely reasonable to me.
Make no mistake: the owners historically have wanted a salary cap, not because of real interest in bringing parity to the game, but to put a greater piece of the pie in their coffers.
I’d much rather the players have that money than the obscenely wealthy owners any day. A salary cap is not a necessity to bring more parity to the game. A greater revenue sharing mechanism with a salary floor that addresses deferred contracts and other issues is what is so badly needed now.
No salary cap but a salary floor. As in teams must be over an amount every year and must spend over an amount every year on a major league roster minor league contracts do not apply to this number.
Trade an entire season?? Dont even put this in the universe
It’s a hypothetical. Relax.
“The thing about a salary cap is that it would almost certainly increase parity…”
No salary-capped sport has parity, I don’t know why a baseball salary cap would.
If the goal is really parity, the league would institute near-100% revenue sharing. But that is not and has never been the owners’ goal, the goal is always to maximize revenue at the expense of players, so let’s stop pretending a salary cap would be any different.
This is not salary cap advocacy.
But I do think that lower payrolls mean fewer star/good players for teams that currently have many of them. Those players then go to other teams. Do you think those assumptions are incorrect?
Again – not pushing for a cap, but I also think it’s disingenuous to suggest that distributing good players more widely would not increase parity.
Again, we have examples from other leagues that have salary caps. This does not happen.
Across-the-board revenue sharing would theoretically accomplish the same thing and allow also salaries to rise along with league revenues, but no one ever talks about that because it doesn’t accomplish the owners actual goals.
Pretty different sports, though.
Say a salary cap is instituted in MLB. What actually would happen, in your opinion?
Cheap owners would still just spend the minimum required salary…. probably come up with some BS line that its not responsible to pay a player x percentage of their budget. Players would still flock to the larger markets for better visibility and promotional opportunities. Costal teams would probably still be able to pay more for off-field personnel that are better at scouting and optimizing the team.
Pre-free agency the competitive landscape was similar to this.
The league needs to incentivize winning and to another extent it should incentivize player retention. Maybe allow homegrown players to no count towards the cap or only a smaller percentage of the cap.
Tim. Really good point. Does a salary cap mean fewer star/good players for teams that currently have many of them? It seems obvious at first glance, but I wonder. Where you set the salary cap probably matters.
If the cap is at $300 million, probably not. Too few teams and too few players. Cot’s projects 5 teams with a CB roster over $250M. Would a cap that affects 5 teams make a difference? How many star players actually would be pushed to other teams by a cap on 5 teams – one per team? Two?
A cap of $225M would include 3 more teams. How many players would be pushed to other teams by a cap on 8 teams? Obviously, the lower the cap, the more teams affected and the more players who will be paid less. I’m not sure a “reasonable” cap will have that much impact on making the Pirates talent comparable to the Phillies unless you have a cap that approaches the lower salary levels. I also doubt that a cap would move that many players on any given team, e.g. LAD unless the cap was low enough to limit the signings of more than half the league.
Another open question is if a cap will push teams to pay less money for the players who are at the low end of a team’s salaries to allow a couple million more for a star and remain under the cap. One absolute certainty is that a MLB salary cap will have at least some unintended consequences. Governments can’t make two changes in a row without creating all kinds of problems nobody predicted. Why should MLB be different?
Last and maybe most important, I’m pretty sure players won’t support a cap. The sole purpose of a cap is to reduce player salaries. I’d love to know how players in leagues with caps feel about a salary cap. Do they view it as a necessary evil to keep the league in business or resent it as a means to reduce player salaries to increase competitiveness while pushing the now unspent revenues to owners’ profits. Perhaps we should consider an owner’s profit cap instead. I’m guessing fans would be all for it.
There does need to be a cap and a floor. I’d agree to all TV revenue being shared equally. Something else that needs to change is the way international players are signed. They all need to go through a draft like USA players do. It can be a seperate draft but the present system isn’t working.
Why ain’t it working? Because Roki signed with a team that ain’t yours? That’s one example. How many can you name that will justify making the change?
That’s one of the problems of MLB being big business. Some owners buy a team solely for business reasons. No passion for baseball, no passion for the team they own. Profits are their passion. Winning doesn’t matter.
In the past baseball teams were mostly owned by fans of a town or a team. There passion was to win. Profits were a side benefit.
If MLB changed the rules, the MO of small market teams wouldn’t change. The end result would be the players would make less. The players are the product not the owners.
Fans go to watch the players not the owners. They root for the team not the owners.
So the MLB is allowing mega teams just so fans can claim foul and provoke the idea of a salary cap. The owners must be salivating.
For those who have the best interests of the game of baseball in mind and heart, it’s hard not to conclude that the Dodgers reflect a serious problem that needs addressing.
The race in the National League West is now over. The counter to the parity issue, of course, is that there have been myriad WS winners in recent years and that the Dodgers are not a lock to go back to back. Even if that’s true, it doesn’t negate the problem. Many of us watch and love baseball, not just to see who wins the WS, but because of a competitive day-to-day landscape with the best sport on the planet at the center.
To conclude that no other team has a realistic chance to win its division in the middle of January is an issue — despite the cherry-picked and flawed defenses here against a more robust revenue-sharing system that is sorely needed.
The idea that such a system is “socialism” or penalizing a well run team is nonsense. See the Green Bay Packers.
One defense against a greater revenue sharing mechanism is to point out the poor management decisions of teams with money like the Cubs and Blue Jays, the first which has been unwilling to pony up offers like the Dodgers. Nowhere does that defense mention the Brewers or the Reds or the Jays or the Pirates or the Twins or the Guardians etc.
The idea that smaller market team owners would pocket additional revenue, which has already been the case, is legitimate. That’s why any dramatic change in the system, which I fully favor, must be accompanied by a salary floor.
A salary cap alone should be supported. What inevitably will end up happening is that these lords of the game will get wealthier. But a thoughtful and dramatically escalated revenue sharing plan that centralizes television rights revenue and addresses deferred contracts that the Dodgers are able to provide, and comes with a mandatory salary floor, is a desperately needed fix.
I wouldn’t want to be a fan of a team that eagerly awaits spring training with the hope that my team makes the playoffs as a wild card winner…because the Dodgers can already pop champagne bottles while snow is still on the ground.
*Correction: A salary cap alone should NOT be supported.
Cap yes and deferrals gone yes!
hard top, hard bottom.
A salary cap won’t change the fundamental problems. A dollar from the Yankees is worth more to a player than a dollar from the Pirates. Basketball has a salary cap, it didn’t keep players from joining superteams for lower money so they could win a title.
Things that I’d be curious to see (without having thought through the full implications): adjust the qualifying offer based on team’s payroll — scale the threshold so that it represents a percentage of past team payroll adjusted for the league median instead of a flat dollar figure. Accordingly, the Reds could make a QO that’s less than the Yankees, but if you’re the Pirates and haven’t spent on a player since Matt Morris, you don’t get a windfall for never trying. If you’ve been over the luxury tax in the last three years, you get no compensation for QO free agents signed away from your team. If, over the span of a decade, you’re never cracking the 25th percentile in payroll, same.
Tax deferred money at multipliers that at least partly negate the present value deferrals and continue to tax it for the entirety of the contract. It’s bad for the game to kick bill-paying to future generations.
“A dollar from the Yankees is worth more to a player than a dollar from the Pirates.” – very good point. Aside from going after the Yankees’ various revenue streams, it’d be hard to make this stop being the case.
#fountains. “It’s bad for the game to kick bill-paying to future generations.” Agree, except that bill paying isn’t what’s being deferred. Players receiving taxable income in the year it’s earned is what’s deferred. Teams have to pay the present value each year into a fund that’s used to pay the salaries in future years. LAD doesn’t get to defer bill paying. That’s why the LAD AAV doesn’t match the total value of the contract. Hence the name “tax-deferred salaries.” Businesses don’t pay taxes on employee salaries – employees do.
No to salary cap. Have a salary floor and if you go over the tax you lose international free agent signings. All the allotted money would be spread evenly to all those under the tax. Either have no referred money or limit the amount you to a specific %.
Teams have to be encouraged/forced to spend money sign players give their fans something to be excited about
What a topic.
All of these responses so quickly and the site owner replaying directly.
Hot topic.
If you want a salary cap and are willing to sacrifice a season to get it, you’re an idiot.
Good hot topic. Should have some more articles polls like this stashed away for slow news stretches.
Skimming the article a lot of bad takes. “Other sports don’t have parity” That’s because in other sports 1 player is a difference maker. You gotta stink and get that hall of fame player. Once the stars align and you get that center or qb you are set. And thanks to salary cap you can keep that player. There’s 1 reason why Patriots Chiefs dominated. It’s the qb stupid. Obviously baseball (trout Ohtani) 1 player doesn’t make a difference.
Just because Milwaukee Tampa Cleveland can make playoffs pretty regularly doesn’t mean 100 million vs 300 million is fare. Only 1 bottom half payroll team has won world series.
Doesn’t seem like players want a cap and I doubt rich teams want to share a much larger portion of their $. Owners might not want to open their books. Cap has a lot of issues.
There’s other answers though. Instead of completive balance picks alternating just give them both each year. Tie revenue sharing into payroll. Or luxury tax into it. More you receive the more you should be able to spend.
I am not so worried about teams just pocketing $ anymore. With the collapse of cable tv teams will need to put out a better product.
Despite what fans say they like the current system. They keep watching and going to games. When they finally stop giving mlb $ they will fix it. “I just watch because I love the game” Great! No need for change! You’ll watch whatever garbage we give you. Rockies White Sox etc are depending on you.
Why ask fans if they’d be willing to lose a season for changes in any agreement between teams or any labor agreement between players and owners? Fans don’t have any skin in this debate.
Definitely true that fans don’t have a seat at the table.
2/3 of fans wanting a cap could help embolden owners in the PR battle and influence their efforts.
The other part of the poll is, “OK, you want a cap. Enough to miss an entire season for it?”
I’m a bit surprised half say they would.
I’m not. Saying is easy. Especially right now. When it comes time for the doing I very much doubt it would be running at half
The teams that everyone wants to protect through a lockout are the teams that would suffer most. Can the Rays, Reds and A’s roll through an extended stoppage?
That’s the great thing about banging your head against the wall. It feels so good when you stop. This is another way of saying that most people have little concept of their own best interests.
There already is a soft salary cap….They just named it luxury tax threshold so the owners could get it aprroved. Needs to be a floor. The tax threshold and the floor need to be floating every yr depending on MLB revenue. 50% of the revenue needs to go to the players per union laws.
Very few fans know this, but the collusion that is happening currently is through a 3rd party comapny…..this 3rd party through the MLB advises teams on every single player and deal and “reccomends” what their offer should be for every FA. They are the ones driving the bus and handing down the owners talking head to trickle down to each team. For example…they send a noticed out to all 30 teams and say ALonso is 3 yrs 60 mill….so now that where all the offers come through.
That has to be done away with next CBA so we have a true free market each free agency.
“No” leads “Yes” on the “Are you willing to lose a season?” question by 36 votes at time of writing, almost an even 11k to 11k vote split.
Fascinating to see such an even split.
Salary caps ruin sports and impact players salaries. If there is a 300 mil cap then the floor should be 200 mil. Too many owners taking the enormous profits for themselves. We cant reward them by capping other teams.
I want a salary cap in MLB but i don’t think that we should give up an entire season of baseball for it. I couldn’t stand not having baseball for a whole year.
There was an article a few years ago that quantified that the CBT had the overall affect of lowering total players salaries as a percentage of league wide revenue. In other words the owners pocketed more money than they previously did.
A salary cap would do the same thing. Limit what the players make while the owners pocket additional profits.
This idea that the players are evil for accepting the money the owners throw at them is ludicrous.
If the owner offered you a large raise would you say, No I make enough already? I doubt it.
Owners always claim they are losing money but every time a team is up for sale there are prospective buyers lining up to pay billions for the team. What business people line up to spend billions on something that is going to lose money?
There’s lots of big money just looking for a “safe” home. Entertainers making tons now that don’t want it frittered. Companies who want to hide it. Wealthy families looking at long-term, etc. Team values continue to rise so they’ve become a safe place to park ‘private’ money. Not mega returns, but low-risk with some side-benefits. NHL, NFL and NBA teams all rising in value. I don’t follow NBA at all, but I understand they may be ready for another golden age. Meanwhile, when athletes at the youngest levels look at careers where do they choose? Danny Ainge played baseball for the Blue Jays then jumped to the NBA.
In hockey, skating is paramount. In football, fleetness and toughness. In basketball, height helps along with speed and manual dexterity. In baseball, running, hitting, etc. If you’re in a poor, warm country, hockey is out (except for road hockey), but baseball, basketball and football are options. Baseball offers chance for long career and few injuries from being hit by others…
I’m the guy who isn’t THAT worried about all the Dodgers spending.
Just this past fall, the Padres blew two leads in a back-and-forth Game 1 of the LDS which could have gone either way. If the Padres had managed to hang on in that game, they would have swept the Dodgers out in the first round. Credit to the Dodgers for winning, but it wasn’t “automatic” in any way.
Baseball playoffs are a crap shoot. You need to spend *some* money to be competitive (maybe Top Ten-ish), but I do not agree that you need to have the highest payroll to win it all.
The Dodgers are spending a lot of money, and good for them if that’s what they want to do. But they will have the oldest roster of any team in baseball in 2025, and history has rarely been kind to aging, expensive franchises in any sport
For example, in 2027 the Dodgers will have:
34 yr old Mookie
37 yr old Freddie
33 yr old Glasnow
34 yr old Snell
32 yr old Shohei
32 yr old W Smith
32 yr old Edman
$174M guaranteed with just these aging veterans alone. For the Dodgers sake, hopefully all remain healthy and show no signs of age-related performance decline.
So – they NEED to win the WS at least once in the next year or so.
Absolutely correct, they see their window is small with the age of a lot of their major stars, they’re trying to make it happen ASAP. Eventually the contracts wont be worth it like all contracts aren’t at their tail end…and they’ll have deferred payments etc. etc. Their will be issues for them to deal with down the road, so they’re trying to hit it as hard as possible for the next 3-4 years. Now they have a great farm system, great at player development and will probably be smart about their MLB ready prospects that are blocked…Trade some of them to get younger in the farm system for the future to help mitigate things, But there will come a time, when they have an older expensive core and they are back filling/rolling the dice with up and coming young prospects to fill out the team to save money…and whether or not those prospects pan out will be the difference between whether they sustain success for the next 3-4 years or the next 10 years,
I agree. Round ball, round bat, many opportunities for alternate results. And perhaps Dodgers will even change the ownership structure and flip ownership again while the big attention is on them.
This is not unlike how the Yankees and Blue Jays re-tooled after their first World Series wins the 1990s and added new players to win the second one (and the Yanks a third in a row). Teams age. And in the Blue Jays case their owner, Labatt’s Beer Company, was purchased by somebody with no interest in baseball and cut budgets (Interbrew from Belgium) which led to a sell-off or dribble off of big name players, and ultimately sale of the team several times until stability came.
But a hard cap would also protect fans from being held hostage to pay for egregious spending.
If your barometer is based only on the idea that this overwhelming spending spree by the Dodgers doesn’t absolutely guarantee them another ring, then I guess I understand the lack of concern. It doesn’t.
But I have a much different barometer. What we’re seeing is a significant imbalance in the way one team is able to accumulate the highest free agent prizes on the market — one after another. Other teams cannot keep up. Regardless of whether the Dodgers slip up in the playoffs or run into serious injuries, it’s inconceivable that they don’t easily win their division; in fact, it’s inconceivable that they don’t win in the neighborhood of 100 games or more!
I’m not sure how anyone who cares about the health of baseball overall thinks this is OK…especially given that we’re a month away from Spring Training.
A salary cap is not the answer. Baseball is going to make what it makes and a cap will only allow the owners to pocket more money. There must be a much more significant revenue sharing system put in place that incorporates a floor mechanism and addresses other issues like deferred contracts.
But by no means can we look the other way and say what we’ve been seeing the Dodgers do the last two winters is good for the game of baseball.
Needs to be a floor and cap
No and no.
IMO, this is a solution in search of a problem. No one is going broke.
IMO, the players will be better in the long-run taking a percentage of the revenue and growing the game. But teams sign these contracts voluntarily, as do the players.
I believe MLB should not only have a salary cap but they should also have a salary floor.
The biggest issue in baseball isn’t the top teams spending, but rather the bottom teams not spending.
MLB teams averaged $378m of revenue last year – despite this, 15 teams had a payroll under $150m. including 5 under $100m.
While people climb all over each other to hate on the Dodgers, Mets etc for spending, cheap owners continue to rob baseball and its fans.
Your “spending” numbers likely apply only to player salaries. There are other costs. Ballpark rental or mortgage or reno or upkeep costs. Training camp or year-round rehab facilities. Management, debt, travel, farm costs…
But the questions raised are resonant. And it’s why floors and ceilings should be discussed together. Higher minimums and contract caps can both help the younger and lower paid players by spreading money around. But teams with sharp accountants can lose money every year if they choose.
All of the teams in baseball get a portion of revenue sharing. The Marlins got $70 million. I wonder what they did with that money? I wonder what the other teams did with their money? And all of these teams that are paying luxury tax, a huge chunk of that luxury tax gets distributed to smaller market teams. I wonder what they’re all doing with all that money? But yet everyone says our small market team is poor…… give me a break.
Cheap owners pocketing cash is an easy out. The evidence isn’t there. These guys want the game to grow because that is what increases the value of their team and the eventual financial reward for their efforts. That’s what the evidence points too in terms of them getting paid.
The issue for me is the deferrals. On the surface of it, it looks like the Dodgers have a capability to do that, while others don’t. No idea on the details of why, just going on the fact that they do it and others appear not to be able to do it.
Owners not spending is not an easy out. It’s a fact. The current CBA requires a team that receives revenue share must spend 150% of that amount on payroll the following year. The A’s, Marlins and Pittsburgh have been in breach of this clause causing the MLBPA to file grievances.
Build it and they will come. Build a good team. The Rays manage to be competitive year after year with lower revenue and lower payroll.
@Tim Dierkes,
Please ask and poll the right question. Salary caps and floors do little to level the playing field.
Owners should agree to more extensive and strictly enforced revenue sharing. No team plays any game by themselves.
All television, broadcast and streaming revenue should be shared. Income from gambling sites should be share.
The players have little say in this. The owners have to agree in this to establish level playing field for competition.
After that, go ahead and work with the union on salary floors and caps if you want. But losing a season just for a cap that solves nothing is not worth anything. Just a bunch of talk.
It’s just a different question. Would people prefer owners to sort this out amongst themselves, keeping the players out? Worth asking, but perhaps no more plausible than players agreeing to a cap.
Do you have the IP address data of the votes? It would be really interesting to see if there was a bot driving up the votes on the first question and if so, who was it trying to influence the perception of the poll? That would be the biggest story of the off season if it was someone in Manfred’s office.
major issues in mlb right now and its getting worse. Small market and poor teams can’t compete. Look at the NFL right now. Its thriving because Buffalo and KC are dominating and the Detroit Lions as well.
Teams can’t compete head to head in free agent spending, and if that was the only way to build a club and improve then a cap would be warranted.
It isn’t, and it isn’t.
mlb already has a cap….its a soft cap but its still a cap…..they just branded it as luxury tax threshold
If they aren’t going to fix revenue sharing to level financial competitiveness across all teams,….
Restructure the league. Dissolve Al and NL
Establish 1 league with 4 divisions.
Membership in a division is fluid and changes year to year. Not based on geography. But based in spending.
The highest spending teams going into a year go in one division.
Next tier of spending go into 2nd division
3rd division and 4th division are likewise structured according to spending.
One champion from each division makes playoffs.
Along with a tourney for a few wild cards. Say there are 8 wild cards. No division gets more than 2 wild cards.
You can’t compare the NFL thriving with small market teams to MLB to show that a salary cap wouldn’t hurt the sport. When you have small market teams in the World Series, nobody watches. If it was a one game series, it might be different. However, nearly the entirety of the audience is made up of fans of the teams in the particular series. I love baseball, but I can’t muster interest in watching 4 to 7 games of the Diamondbacks versus Rangers at 2-4 hours a piece. And those are not even small markets, they just play in markets that are dominated by football and/or NCAA.
That said, something needs to change with deferred money and international signings, as well as imposing a salary floor with penalty of losing revenue sharing money or a forced sale/contraction of the team.
Maybe some players would be on board. It seems either get a large contract with the dodgers this year or Yankees previous years and there’s a likelihood to compete. Other teams aren’t so pending to top the dodgers. Definitely close the deferred salary loopholes and add a salary floor.
No cap. If you don’t spend then that’s too bad. Blame your team. Why have your team in a
Small market if You can’t market your team? It’s the owners fault for having a terrible product. Get better. There is no guarantee the LAD win another World Series
Moron
I’d like them to be able to trade draft picks just like all other sports.
why you need? the cubs already do that with the Tucker trade and Lou brock to the cardinals.
Why would they do that?
The whole point of MLB is to have the big market teams thrive to juice ratings, attendance, etc. in the places with the biggest pools of revenue and to have a bunch of other teams there for window dressing.
It works for almost everyone.
The league makes more money, the players like that, the TV partners make more money and the only losers are the saps in the bottom 20 markets.
PLENTY of suckers out there.
Just keep bilking them with “hope” while the big money players rig the game amongst themselves and pay off the little guys to keep up the charade.
Hopefully a hard cap with a hard floor
One third of mlb teams are basically the Washington generals
One point I see a lot that I think is made in bad faith by fans of big market teams but just in case it’s not…
The “the other teams should just spend more” argument.
If the low payroll teams all added another $100 million to their payrolls the Yankees and Dodgers would just add another $250 million to theirs…so the losing teams would still lose, they’d just lose more (or make less) money for no purpose…so they don’t bother.
Bad faith???
Bad faith is suddenly having an opinion on how international free agents get distributed based on one players signing with the wrong team.
So you cry babies goals are to make owners richer and force players to take less money to play where they want? Just so Milwaukee and Pitt can continue to cry about life being unfair. Come on.
Absolutely not.
Salary floor, maybe. Definitely needed.
A salary cap only puts more money in the pockets of billionaires while they reap record profits. Force them to share the wealth. THAT is how to level the playing field.
The Dodgers are the only team with guaranteed TV revenue that has been that way since the owners bought the team. That’s why they can have a payroll over $375M, then add to that the Japanese money flowing in, unless MLB does something this will be a one team league.
Does an owner of a small market receive more $ from the share than organically by fielding a team? And does the owner have any limit on how much can be pocketed?
If the small market owner pockets an acceptable amount (to them) without restriction then they have no incentive to invest in the team. It’s actually in their interest to not invest.
If this is correct (I honesty don’t know), then steal a page from business marketing that limits how much market development funds can be self directed – stated differently, limit how much of the share can be pocketed by the owner. The worse the team, the less $ can be pocketed (the more $ they must invest in the team). Improve the team and get less share but enjoy a higher percentage in the owner’s pocket (plus organic returns from success).
It’s not about cap or floor but about owner motivation in terms of cash flow.
Why would we want to give up a season to line the pockets of billionaire owners for the seasons thereafter? Might as well ask if we’d give up a season to eliminate free agency. (I wouldn’t, by the way.)
Just figure out the TV Deal. The salary cap shouldn’t happen.
How about just capping the deferred money to a lower percentage of the overall contract. Say you can only defer 25% of the total value?
A change that would have zero impact.
It makes them feel better because they don’t understand.
Please do something
What about a qualifying offer system? A players max could be only 1.5 to 2x the value used for qualifying offers. It would probably shorten deals overall but we might get a lot of free agent movement. Might also achieve more parity between the large and small markets because the offers would be the same or close enough that other factors such and city, fans, coaching, etc would be a larger part of the equation. Lot of details to work out but it might be something to think about if a salary cap is absolutely necessary. To be clear i am not in favor of a cap but i dont mind discussing it or alternatives.
Is that Mr Roper?
Next CBA
1. Max contract
2. Revenue sharing
3. International draft
4. Salary Cap (something few will spend too/ but something from keeping 3 or 4 teams from getting EVERY free agent superstar)
5. Salary Floor
6. Owners have to “open up their books”
A) Foreign players need to enter a draft. Because the money for foreign acquisitions means nothing without it.
B) Shared television contracts should be obscelete in a streaming world. We should have all games available nationwide in 5 languages and all kinds of commentary options
C) floor on % of of CBT disbursements required to be spent directly on player salaries. And cap should be on % of CBT disbursements collected on how much of team profit is going to salaries.
D) we cannot allow another lockout. We will lose fans. The Dodgers are deferring because they know the lockout generates 0 revenue and they won’t have to generate money to pay obnoxious salaries during a shutdown.
Simple solution: relegation
Exactly…. if these cheap owners wont sped and these fans won’t hold their ownership accountable then let them lose their team. San Antonio, Monterey, MX, Nashville, San Juan, PR, London, Montreal etc.
As long as they set salary floor too
Salary caps solve nothing. It hold back teams from getting better and just a profit making device for the owners. In the next CBA they should get rid of the CBT. High revenue teams ignore or just pass it on to their customers. Low revenue teams will never get near it and actually are the only ones who benefit from it in kickbacks. It’s the middle revenue teams that are impacted. They are punished for trying to get better. They have to pay a tax instead of investing in a player. It’s dumb. If you want to penalize a team for being an outlier, both hi and low, talk about draft picks. Get rid of the QO. Players don’t want it is rarely accepted and again punishes the mid-market teams trying to get better. Have one big draft for international and domestic amateurs. Why have different rules. Get rid of the salary tiers. Finally think about contraction. There are teams out there that should just fold. They are poorly run, don’t compete enough to draw fans and are basically owners interested in trying to make a profit. Miami, Tampa, A’s and Rockies should dissolve and their players and farm systems transitioned to the rest of the league. So get better owners who want to compete or dissolve them.
28 of the 32 NHL teams are currently in playoff contention.
And if any of the 4 who are not go on a hot streak, they could get back in, too.
Yes but in Hockey they get pts for losing in overtime. If we started calculating Extra inning losses as half a win where would that leave us. Not to mention, that there were plenty of teams in contention for the wildcard last season as well.
Burn the whole thing down, hit a hard reset button and go back to how baseball was originally. I know that’s impossible, but a guy can dream. Something has to be done. I’m so disillusioned on baseball at this point I only watch a dozen or two games a year on TV. And my team is in the playoffs nearly every year with a recent WS title.
Feudalism and TTO…
Crazy how bad baseball has become.
Good luck.
What happened to poll results?
Where’d they go?
They’re back. Thanks.
At the end of the day, the owners and the players DO NOT CARE about the opinions of the fans. Owners want to make as much money as possible. Players want to make as much money as possible. Agents like when their players win championships and awards because they add “perceived” value. All of it is done at the expense of the fans. Payroll goes up? Ticket prices increase with operational costs. Team wins championship and payroll stays the same? Ticket prices go up for supply/demand reasons. A family of four generally cannot afford the cost of sporting events consistently. Even if the team stinks, and ownership doesn’t spend, there’s a good chance ticket prices go up. If I can’t sell out home games, I’ll just raise ticket costs based on opponent coming. World Series contender? That ticket in the same seat could cost anywhere from 10% to 100%+ more just because of the draw.
Owners make too much because players make too much. Players make too much because owners make too much. Neither side is gonna accept taking less money. Thank god the radio broadcast is available.
Easy fix, hard salary cap, hard floor, no deferred money, international players are drafted instead of choosing which team.
2/3’s of y’all are capital “I” Insane