It appears the Pete Alonso era in Queens is coming to an end. Andy Martino of SNY reported this afternoon that the Mets expect Alonso to sign elsewhere and have begun to turn their attention to other pursuits.
After initially facing a gap on contract length, the sides recently turned their attention to a shorter-term arrangement. Will Sammon of The Athletic wrote this afternoon that Alonso and his representatives at the Boras Corporation pitched the Mets a three-year deal with a high annual salary and one or more opt-out chances. Sammon reports that the team countered with a three-year proposal at a lesser salary which Alonso declined.
Joel Sherman and Dan Martin of The New York Post provide some specifics, reporting that the team’s offer came with an overall guarantee in the $68-70MM range and included opt-outs. Sammon writes that the Mets were open to pushing that guarantee slightly higher, though it seems there was still a significant enough gap compared to Alonso’s asking price (which is not known) for the team to turn its attention elsewhere.
The Mets’ proposal was clearly not to Alonso’s liking, which isn’t all that surprising. It’s less than the frontloaded $80MM guarantee which Cody Bellinger landed when he returned to the Cubs on an opt-out laden deal last winter. It now seems as if Alonso will be moving on, though the Mets haven’t pushed all their chips in to an alternative target yet. New York agreed to bring back Jesse Winker on a $7.5MM deal. He’ll slot in at designated hitter and/or as a left-handed bench bat. If Alonso indeed walks, New York will probably move Mark Vientos to first base and allow Brett Baty, Ronny Mauricio and Luisangel Acuña battle for reps at third base.
The Post’s Jon Heyman writes that the Mets are now “heavily focused” on adding to the bullpen. Sammon tied them to top free agent reliever Tanner Scott last week. Adding a high-leverage arm in front of star closer Edwin Díaz makes sense. A left-hander would be an obvious fit considering Danny Young is the only southpaw in the bullpen at the moment. Scott is far more than a situational matchup option, but he has certainly shown himself capable of attacking the best left-handed hitters in the sport.
The Athletic reported this morning that the Blue Jays were among the teams still engaged with Alonso’s camp. It’s not clear whether those discussions also involve a short-term deal. Jim Duquette of MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM first reported last week that Alonso’s camp was offering the three-year term with opt-outs to the Mets alone in an effort to stay in Queens. He may still be seeking a longer-term contract from other teams, though it’s not clear whether that kind of proposal will be on the table anywhere.
bucsfan0004
This one-dimensional player sure gets a lot of love from MLBTR
towinagain
Would love to see him wearing the Brown and Gold in SD, just sayng.
Rothbard
SD already has too many very regrettable contracts. They don’t need Pete on the books too.
SD would be wise to sign a few of the veteran arms available. They could get full plate of Quintanna, Scherzer, and Flaherty for the same price of one Pete.
Jbigz12
Don’t worry SD isn’t putting out the cash for Flaherty or Alonso.
Unless Max wants to take his money deferred I doubt they touch him either.
Jackalopal
Alonso for three years is incredibly safe.
Queen Soto
That’s not true at all Flaherty will get at least $18-20M per year on at least a 2yr deal, Quintana at least $12-13 and Scherzer around $15M, Pete isn’t getting more then 3yr-$80M, I mean it was a one team race and the money wasn’t even that high. These teams are getting involved to use the leverage of the Mets no longer being involved. Those 3 will combine for about $20M more this season then Pete and even on a 2yr for Flaherty & 1yr for the other two the total commitment is in the ballpark of what Pete will get over 3 years.
Consigliore
Pods won’t pay any player not now on their roster > MLB minimum. Where have you gone Peter Seidler?
Giantkiller000
Me too! And I’m a Dodgers fan.
Enrico Pallazzo
I’d love to see them add another horrible contract to their growing pile
178iq
So where’s he going? Boston?
DarrenDreifortsContract
The people on here love to overhype mediocre players.
stymeedone
Ties to NY means they will get hits.
Psychguy
Everyone is replaceable. Looks like the Boras magic did not work this time.
pando8888
Soto is a one dimensional player and he got $800 mil!!!
geofft
Soto was overpaid by a lot. But Soto is not one dimensional in the sense that5 Alonso is. Alonso’s value is strictly as a HR hitter. Soto is a complete hitters who hits for average and gets on base via the walk. Soto has better plate coverage and can hit just about everyone. And he’s only 26.
DanGrant2185
When you hit 226 bombs in 5.3 seasons, they’ll give you some love too mon frere
Never Remember
Other than Sasaki he is the player most fans have been looking for an update on and him likely moving on from Mets is big story. No one made you read it did they? Sad.
bucsfan0004
Hey, he’s no Soto. No reason to treat him as such with the daily articles. But sadly, he’s going down the same path as Chapman/Bellinger, which generates content, because its apparent he made a huge mistake by not taking the extension in ’23.
lapmando
I watch nearly all the Mets games. Pete can pick it at first base. He’s not one dimensional. He’s always been clutch. This Mets team is not as good as last years team without him. Now, if I see vlad jr in Mets orange and blue, losing pete isn’t so bad.
JackStrawb
Pete, clutch?
Put down the mushrooms, pal, and go the Baseball-reference and look at their entries under clutch and leverage.
Pete in the overall is abysmal everywhere that matters. He only excels when the Mets are up by 4 or more runs.
metslvt17
Wtf?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Polar Bear impacted by global warming
NYCityRiddler
More like Panda Bear now. Ahahahaha!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I was thinking he can go to a team in the South and be nicknamed the Koala Bear.
Certainly NOT ….. “smarter than the average bear” …. right Boo-Boo Bear?
braveshomer
He never earned that nickname anyways….Evan Gattis was the OG lol (seriously tho)
YourDreamGM
Definitely didn’t earn it. He just lucked out with the genetics lottery having that face and neck.
10centBeerNight
Opens up a world of possibilities for NYM.
JackStrawb
If the plan isn’t to let the kids play (at 3B) at this late date, color me baffled.
realist101
I think that’s probably the plan, but there are other options.
Mets could sign Bregman, or trade for Arenado.
Lankster19
Hey Alonso you’re just a power hitter who does not hit for average. You’re not a 30 million dollar a year player. Shoulda took that offer and from the Mets and put your name forever held in Mets lore
mlbnyyfan
That’s a slap in the face to their franchise player. Yankees never would have done that to Judge. Alonso waiting the Off-season for this crazy.
backmeupvito
Yankees did do that to judge… they offered him less money then both the giants and the Padres. almost nearly 100 million more from the Padres. Yankees got lucky he didn’t leave.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Facts do not get in the way of his whining.
stanthefan
And there was this guy named Derek Jeter that they lowballed on when he was trying to retire a Yankee for life. When the year before his injury he hit .316 & was a perrenial
stanthefan
All Star. While the Yanks may have been right to only give him 12 million from his previous 17 mill per year, the Yankees don’t exactly have room to criticize their crosstown rivals
YaGottaBelieveAgain
Cashman announced that Judge declined an extension around spring training. Saying it publicly didn’t make Judge happy, NYY were trying to make him sound greedy, selfish or embarrass/manipulate him. OR NOT wanting to be a Yankee bad enough “wear the pin stripes” the history the Aura etc.
Judge knew he could get and was worth more but he wasn’t a jerk about it. He was classy.
Hal had to step up to keep the SF or SDP from signing him.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@back
Yanks offered 9/$360 mil. The fact that some other team offered more didn’t mean the Yanks low bid him. They may but have even known the details of the other offer.
Gwynning
Cash was aware of the Padres’ offer, Judge said as much.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
He wanted the $40M per AAV and the higher profile of the Yankees.
The issues with the other offers were that they were for too many years (in order to keep the AAV down)
I’d say he was never really going to leave unless someone had offered him like 10 years/$500M, which he wasn’t going to get and with his endorsement deals he didn’t need the extra $.
sanfranb27
Lindor is still alive isn’t he?
stanthefan
Exactly!? Lindor is their franchise player at the moment albeit Soto might unseat him, but I can’t say it was ever Pete. I thought he’d have learned from DeGrom. Grass isn’t always greener.
Cohen's _Wallet
@mlbnyyfan
Alonso is not Judge, not even close to. Comparing them is a slap in the face to Judge. Even in the context you’re using.
Patriot12992
So because he is a franchise player they should write him a blank check for more than he is worth into his mid to late 30’s? Great way to stay a poverty franchise. Mets have been more than generous with him they made a solid offer he wanted to play hardball. This situation is 100 percent on the player.
george d
He could be a franchise player for Miami
GarryHarris
Alonso isn’t near the player Judge is. $23M per is hardly a slap in the face…
stymeedone
Alonso would have never been the face of the Yankees. Comparing him to Judge leaves him lacking.
geofft
mlbnyyfan: Bad analogy. Judge is a much, much better player than Alonso on many levels. And also a better leader.
Jaysfansince92
In Alonso’s defense though, at least he shows up in the playoffs. Judge doesn’t do squat in the playoffs.
Zerbs63
That’s not true Judge drops the ball in the playoffs
toptimrubies
Alonso is no Judge, not even close.
reflect
Franchise player?!?! Per fWAR, Alonso hasn’t even been among the top 3 most valuable Mets hitters of the last 3 seasons. He’s a very average player who just happens to be popular in Queens. I like him. I’m also glad we didn’t meet his very silly asking price.
YourDreamGM
Players hate arbitration hearings. They got nothing on mlbtr comment section. I almost feel bad for Pete. Almost
Prospectnvstr
Yep, it’s looks like he’s got symptoms of FFS (Freddie Freeman Syndrome).
RoyWhite55
Mets making a big mistake letting Pete walk
ReyDay
No he’s just not worth the 30MM he wants per year. Olson and Freeman don’t even make that and they are both better hitters and defensive 1b. Plus with the luxury tax Mets pay it’d be way over 30MM.
charles73
This is the answer. Polar Bear was asking for alot more money than 1st basemen that were a fair bit better than him. Freddie Freeman is a level above Pete. And Olson may be more comparable offensively to Pete, but he brings gold glove defense to the table.
wineguy
Well, he has to walk because he’s not good at running
2014giants
So he’s going to Toronto?
Diggydugler
on a 1 year deal? after Roki signs there? (I am squinting)
DarrenDreifortsContract
And still finish in last place.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
He bet on himself and he lost. He should just accept it and move on. Alonso is worth around 3 to 4 years at 20 million per year. He is not going to age well
MLB Top 100 Commenter
LFG
Wait for the mystery team! Pete is not as good as he thinks but there are still plenty of teams that could use his services on a shorter contract.
Big whiffa
I just don’t see how the Mets improved this offseason to this point. The pitching seems to be taking a step back and I don’t see Soto bringing that many more wins to the equation with the loss of Alonzo. Mets still have work to do imo
geofft
The off season isn’t over, though. Now that Alonso is gone for sure, the offense will get addressed some more.
You only think the pitching took a step back, but that is hindsight. A year ago, we had no idea that Manaea and Severino would perform anywhere near as well as they did. Peterson was injured and a question mark. And if we get ANYTHING out of Senga this year, it will be an improvement.
The bullpen is deeper than at this time last year, and there are still a lot of relievers on the market who can be upgrades, some of them significant upgrades. .
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
@Big whiffa the main issues with this team don’t lie in the offense. We lack a true ace and the relief staff is bottom 5. Reliability is what they are lacking. I would reccomend for an ace that they either trade for Luis Castillo or buy low on Eury Perez/Sandy Alcantara. For the relief staff, they need about 1 top tier reliever, and 2 above average reliever. Tanner Scott or a trade for Helsly/Camilo Doval/Alexis Diaz can fill that top tier spot, and signing/trading for 2 of Aj Minter, Justin Lawrence, Ryan Stanek, Kenley Jansen, or Jojo Romero can fill the other areas of the pen
Big whiffa
I agree LFG, Castillo is the perfect fit and Scott. They are a good match with Seattle too.
Salzilla
He hasn’t lost anything yet. Let’s wait till he lands a contract before declaring W/L.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I think it is safe to say he won’t get what he allegedly was offered a year ago. But I agree that he may still do better than what the Mets were allegedly offering this month. Would not be shocked to see a team offer a very high AAV for a one year deal, too. Might even get a tea to trade their 1B for something else and plug Pete in the created-vacancy.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
Who is going to give up QO picks for a 1 or 2 year opt out? He’s going to have to hope that somebody offers him 3/78 with no opt out and no NTC.
The team that might jump on that structure is Tampa, because you know they’ll trade him during season 2.
Big whiffa
Seattle might if they trade Castillo to Mets. Reds would only give up their 3rd pick and when they traded their 2nd to dodgers – their gm said they now can save the signing bonus money and invest it in free agents. So there’s def buyers.
Also a 240 BA is now league average and when u carry an obp a 100 points higher than that – you are an above average hitter. So Alonzo has 2 tools and they are the 2 most important ones !
Niekro floater
Boras’ pot of gold mirage. So now your out $156Million n $70Million. Negotiating the wrong way on pay scale.
Hyatt Visa
BORE ASS!!
Blue Baron
Too much Dave Kingman in Alonso’s game.
avenger65
Blue Baron: He trips over his own feet too?
Patriot12992
The last 2 years you are definitely correct. I’d argue his other skills were under valued early in his career. He did use to hit .260/.350/.510 in his first 4 years. That guy would probably have signed by now.
Ma4170
Two years ago was actually a very good year too but he had an unusually low BABIP which lowered his avg and obp. Kind of a fluke.
Last year just wasnt a very good year at all.
Acoss1331
Blue Baron,
That’s a great comp. Yeah I definitely see Dave Kingman in Pete now.
kylegocougs
Alonso’s K rate is relatively low for this era of baseball
N Boylston St Parker
Reminds me of Darrell Evans
Stan "The Boy" Taylor
It’s more about the production than the player. They might be better off with a platoon, and it will probably be cheaper too.
RunDMC
Not going to happen, but I’d love to see him signing a pillow deal with hometown TB to play home games (George Steinbrenner Field) that has similar dimensions to Yankee Stadium to pad his stats.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
Maybe not a pillow deal but I could see Tampa offer him 3/78 with no opt-out and no NTC. Leverage the heck out of Steinbrenner Field then deal him with 2/56 left next off season.
THEY LIVE!!!
The Angels will sign him….
johncoltrane
What was boras’ offer to mets? How much $ and what opt outs
ReyDay
3/90MM with multiple opt outs I believe.
geofft
Boras reportedly wanted 3/$93M with opt outs after each year. He wanted to set a record AAV for 1st basemen.
johncoltrane
Hmmm
3/90 aint that bad for a franchise icon who routinely hits betw 35-45 hr
This almost feels like mets declined just out of spite or something
geofft
@ johnc Mmmmmmaybe. But thats only part of the picture. His HRs declined to 34 last year, and that was the third decline in a row. His Ks went up. All of his other numbers went down. He’s just trending in the wrong direction. What is he worth if his HRs decline to 28 or 26, he plays the same sub-par defense, and the rest of his hitting declines? Not 30. Maybe not even 20.
johncoltrane
Everyone’s focused on his “decline”
Whys everyone writing him off? Players bounce back all the time
And pete had a great postseason
And hes a great clubhouse leader
He is def worth 3/90 especially if theres opt outs . Didnt mets offer him this deal? I feel like bc boras said no 3 months ago now that the market has been unkind to pete & he’s willing to take that $, mets are basically saying f you its too late
geofft
He could bounce back. Or he could regress. That uncertainty is not worth $30M a year.
You say “especially if there’s opt outs”, and I’m not sure why. opt outs favor the player and screw the team.
And I’m so sick of hearing what a great clubhouse leader he is. That is a total fan contrivance. When have we ever heard of one example or instance of his ‘leadership”. huffing and puffing when he strikes out is not leadership. Where was his leadership in 2023? When did we hear of him calling a team meeting? Or calling out a teammate who was underperforming? Or taking a young player under his wing? Lindor has done some of that. Pham did it. JDM did it. When did Alonso?
geofft
And the decline is not one-off. He’s been trending downward for three years now. And its not just a reflection of him. Its a reflection of the type of player/hitter he is and trends that show those players not aging well after 30.
ReyDay
It’s more about the opt out and less to do about $. Pete wants flexibility to be able to opt out if he has a good year while also being able to opt into above market AAV with a down year. You can’t have both espcially with 2 down years in a row. I hear Mets were willing to probably get closer to his #’s without the opt outs.
Cohen's _Wallet
@geofft you hit it spot on. Must not be a Mets fan to believe Pete was anything close to a leader.
I would have liked to get Pete back, but I believe Stearns is doing the right thing. Been a LONG time since Mets fans can trust its front office. Pete had many chances to stay a Met, he chose Boras. I believe he’ll get more than the Mets last offer, just not from the Mets. I’m happy the Mets FINALLY have a competent front office.
george d
Correct, he is not a leader but a sulker. His stats have declined over the last 3 years. Not worth anywhere near $30M/yr. His Met career ended when he switched to Boras last year. Bye-bye.
johncoltrane
You guys are all correct
Winker, siri, and baty will all compensate for the loss of pete in the lineup
That is, if we were living the f’ing twilight zone
Ma4170
I wouldnt pay 30m/year for pete, but yes, theyll miss his production.
Reynaldo's
Gonna settle for the Marlins, watch.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
I hope Alonso gets less than what he turned down from the Mets. Greed.
gbs42
Unlike owners, who are incredibly generous to others and parsimonious toward themselves at all times.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Merc
Think about it. As of Jan 16th, what are the odds they turn down the Mets offer without knowing they have another offer on the table?
pando8888
Talk about greed! Look at Soto, $800M, suites, 4 premium seats and security! Thats greed, I would hate to be any other Met! And then do this!!
gbs42
Players have been getting suites and seats a long time. Ripken got a suite.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@gbs
not the point. he’s saying they went above and beyond for Soto but are playing hardball for him. obviously Soto is s much better player but so much for the “family” narrative. They could’ve out the same offer on the table they offered initially.
❤️ MuteButton
Wouldn’t be a good thing if the owners colluded to ruin Boras? Quite frankly the Astros offer to Bregman was fair, and I think the Mets were fair to Alonso.
gbs42
You’re supporting collusion? That’s the worst take on this comment section by far, and some others have been pretty poor.
GarryHarris
I don’t think so. The players have agents and a union. The agents have multiple clients and they do talk to each other under union solidarity protection as cover.
Pads Fans
Ruin Boras. One of his clients just signed the largest deal in history for any sport. He represents 15% of all MLB players.
RynoScoobs
Yikes. When you buy a ticket, are you going to see the owner play?
Players have the talent we pay to see. Boras tries to get them the best deals he possibly can. It’s okay to dislike him when a player he reps leaves your team or chooses another, but he’s good for the players and they will seek him out because he negotiates fiercely on their behalf and gets the best deal possible.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Thank you for a brief glimpse of sanity on these boards today Ryno!
10centBeerNight
One year ago exactly at this time, many NYM fans were calling Vientos a bust and 4A. Now he’s untouchable. So perhaps some patience with Baty and Mauricio is warranted.
ny papi
I really thought Alonso’s game winning hr against the brewers cemented him as a Met for the next couple years. Until he signs with another team I don’t fully believe the Mets are out on him
Swingandamiss
You clearly don’t know how Boras operates then and how teams don’t like to negotiate with him.
ny papi
You must not know Andy Martino isn’t the most credible of sources
realist101
I highly doubt that Stearns’ decisions are being swayed by a single playoff game HR. And Mets’ fans should be glad of that.
Diggydugler
Pete and Santander are very similar hitting DHs of the same age. I think I would rather Santander if the same terms. Can play some spot corner OF for the time being.
Samuel
Diggydugler;
You kids come on here and repeat that narrative about Santander’s defense.
Clearly you haven’t watched him play.
geofft
Its a moot point. The roster already has 6 other OFs.. Santander would be the full-time DH unless there is a major slew of injuries.
george d
Santander has played 1B in the past so that would fit perfectly with the Mets and leave Vientos at 3B. Profar would also fit well, he played infield for most of his early career with the A’s. Santander’s numbers have been increasing over the last 2 years. Also both are switch hitters which is a bonus.
JackStrawb
Santander has played 152 innings at 1B in 12 years in pro ball.
He’s not a 1Bman.
Patriot12992
Mets made a legitimate offer to keep him in the fold, he wanted to go chase max dollars, it backfired, why should the Mets have to now bail him out? He didn’t take the solid deal when it was on the table, then the Mets tried to give him a solid short term deal and he doesn’t want it. This is all on Pete.
WestVillageTiger
That approximate $23M AAV is one helluva reality check!
Birdie man
Can’t expect a guy to get by on $68-70M can we?
stanthefan
And why shouldn’t the organization offer a lesser AAV if the player wants opt outs!? Good for them.
JackStrawb
In any case, the Mets counteroffer was designed to be rejected.
Alonso doesn’t project to provide more value than internal options at 3B with Vientos moving to 1B.
They do NOT want him back.
foppert3
Wow. That’s impressive.
Cohen is nobody’s b@tch.
TAKERDBACKS
Gonna regret it if you don’t protect Soto. Paying all that money for 1 guy. Doesn’t work. Typical mets. Better trade for Vlad
justkidding
Pete isn’t protection , he runs into a bad pitch every now and again.
Salzilla
Pretty good at finding those bad pitches, though.
george d
Vlad is not going anywhere. Our lineup looks like Nimmo=Soto=Lindor=Vientos 1-4. If Acuna or Mauricio work out they can lead off and move Nimmo to 5. We can sign Vlad next off season as a FA with the money we save not paying Alonso.
baseballteam
What could Mets offer for Vlad ?
YourDreamGM
500m and a suite
Gwynning
Suite good, sweets bad.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Mets not budging on the aav….
John Bird
Can’t see a lot of options out there, especially with the QO. Maybe Cin or Sea?
YourDreamGM
They be stupid to lose the draft pick.
cbraves
A’s on line 2. Actually wouldn’t be a bad fit honestly.
THEY LIVE!!!
Justin Turner is available for about $19m.
bryzzo
Somewhere Anthony Rizzo is peaking his head around a corner and saying what about me.
Gwynning
I’m convinced he’s coming back to San Diego. No data to support my theory, just a gut feelin’
YourDreamGM
I’d rather have him. QO killed Pete for me. I like a Rizzo bounce back
pando8888
Yankees should have waited and to him for a nice hometown discount!
YourDreamGM
They pounced early on a just as good 1b for much less $ and years.
Attystephenadams
Pete’s obviously gotten bad advice from both his former agent and Boras, and fails to understand the market, which collapsed on him after he overvalued himself. He’s not going to get a better offer than what the Mets gave him just now, and Stearns isn’t going to bid against himself. He needs to swallow his pride and take the offer and hope he has a good year so that he can opt out next year, but apparently he’s not doing that.
The Mets will be fine with their young players at first and third, I trust that Stearns knows what he’s doing. In the meantime he can focus on using the money he would have spent on Pete to work on the bullpen.
Honestly, Pete did this to himself. Reminds me of another Boras client who played for the Mets, Mike Conforto. Only difference is that Pete hasn’t got hurt yet and lost a season.
justkidding
It’s a miracle that Conforto has made what he has since leaving the mets, I think its now 3/$54M, that’s a feather in Boras cap.
JackStrawb
Problem is, Conforto turned down either 5/120m or 5/125m from the Mets.
That Zaidi actually went to 2/36m was… mystifying. Still, MC’s expected slugging was 20 points higher than Alonso’s actual SLG of .459.
The Dodgers aren’t fools. They aren’t paying him 1/17m to hit the way he did in SF.
YourDreamGM
All on Pete. 2 different agents. 2 turn downs. Although the year deal doesn’t compare to the epic disaster of rejecting the extension.
Bizzle
I guarantee that former agent negotiated that deal and strongly advised Alonso to take it and told him he wouldn’t get a better deal, which is why Alonso fired him.
JackStrawb
@Bizzle Sounds plausible. It’s fari to assume the original agent was at least competent, since he got the Eppler-Cohen Mets to go significantly beyond what it appears anyone else is willing to offer. “Pete, you don’t understand… you’re just not that good.”
In fairness to Boras (can’t believe I typed that) it looks as if Alonso was coming off the 2023 season when he hired Boras, where he put up 2.8 fWAR. He might have genuinely thought the .217 BA was an outlier (it wasn’t) and that the 46 HR were more representative of his current skill set. 3nd in the NL in HR, 2nd in RBI—he’s emptyheaded enough to think that teams pay a lot of attention to HR and RBI. He missed the part where he was 42nd by bWAR, 141st in OBP, and 231st in BA.
Swingandamiss
Boras is going to get fired again like with Montgomery.
Niekro floater
If Alonso fired Boras right now then quickly hired new “not so combative” representation, he might be able to work something out w/Mets still. Might have to be a full on beg n cry mea culpa. Him n Bregman both said piss off to $150Million offers, to play a kids game.
mike156
If the offer was $68-70M for three years with opt outs then the purpose had to be Met’s showing Alonso they weren’t a serious buyer, They probably looked at his dismissal of their extension offer, thought they’d never even be close, and looked for a way to end it. This offer, if it occurred, is that message. 3 and $90 with optouts wouldn’t have been
Patriot12992
firmly disagree, that is a solid offer with the opt outs. Right in line with his value.
Mets&SkenesFan
Exactly. That is what Teoscar got. And the Mets even offered Teoscar less years.
mike156
I wasn’t talking about absolute value. What I meant was that Alonso might rationally have thought that the extension he turned down was a floor, and the Met’s would have paid more.
YourDreamGM
3 61m to beat Walker. Anything much more you should have just signed Walker. Yeah yeah Walkers older. Other than hrs I like Walker better and it’s not like he doesn’t hit hrs. Goldschmidt the real deal steal. Teams giving up draft picks and more years and $ and Yankees laughing.
pando8888
The Mets already signed a one dimensional player for $800 MM! Can’t wait to see his fielding in Citifield and base running!
Acoss1331
Pete wants to be paid like he’s Freddie Freeman, and he’s nowhere near Freeman’s level. Pete has one thing going for him and that is he can slug, but that’s not showing to be sustainable. He’s a one-trick pony and the trick isn’t that great for the price tag he’s looking to get paid for.
Gwynning
Rarely mentioned here but signing Pete would easily put the Mets into Tier 3 of the CBT already. With the Mets as Triple-Dippers, then we’re talking about a 90% tax on Pete’s contract… potentially a 110% hit if they go into the 4th & final Cohen Tax level. Is Pete worth $55MM a year, even to Uncle Stevie?!?! Doubtful.
geofft
Roster Resource had them at $276M before today, so Tier 3 ($281M) was an inevitability regardless of what happened with Pete. Had Alonso taken the Mets offer, (and Winker not been signed), it would have brought them to $299, or just $2M shy of Tier 4.
Instead, they’re at $284 now (with Winker). Seems like Tier 4 is a pretty strong likelihood unless they unload salary in a trade.
Gwynning
Bingo.
JackStrawb
Figure on shedding $2-4m when they deal Marte for a bag of balls.
They can snag an extra roster spot by moving him, and by cycling regulars through the short-side DH platoon with Winker rate to do a lot better than if they kept Marte to pinch run and DH in 40 games or so from the right side.
cencal
I predicted 3/65 way back when.
I didn’t know he would be dumb enough not to take it though.
This is fair for his skill set, age, etc.
Not a Mets fan, so I don’t emotional attachment at all. They are better off letting him walk is was wanting 3/90 with opt outs.
AM21
He’s in for a rude awakening.
3 finger split
He totally screwed himself…He turns down a 150 million dollar plus contract that would have kept him with the Mets for the rest of his career and pissed off the owner so this offer of 3 years – 68-70 million was Cohens way of giving Pete the finger and the Mets win…when Pete doesn’t get close to the 30 million a year he wants or what Boras wants so he can claim HE got the biggest contract for a first baseman and he comes crawling back to the Mets to sign the 3 year deal he just turned down…Cohen will drop the offer to 3 years and 64 million with mutual options after year 1 and 2 and say “Take it or leave it”. Now the ego comes into play…does Pete take it when he has no other offers on the table ?
Pete can’t take the offer and be offended and tank the season because the options are mutual and if his game declines like many think it will…the Mets decline the mutual option…if Pete tanks the season because he thinks the Mets did him dirty…the Mets decline the mutual option and they can tell the fans that they tried but couldn’t make it happen.
Huge advantage to the Mets right now.
VonPurpleHayes
While still a fair deal, a lot lower than the 90 that was reported.
geofft
@ VonPurpleHayes The 3/$90 was never confirmed. I think the press just assumed that it came from the Mets and reported it that way. . Two weeks later we read that Boras offered 3/$93. I immediately wondered if that was the deal to which the e press had been referring for two weeks ad nauseum.
As for fair deal, yes, it was. but the Mets also knew it was not going to get the job done. It would not have hurt them to offer him $75 just to put him in the Freeman/olsion neighborhood (two to three years later) and say, “OK, you’re one of the premier 1Bs to us.”.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Someone needs to give this man $500M and pay the agent fees and taxes on for him to account for this injustice.
/s
At this point I am projecting 1 year/$20M from a team like the A’s or the Tigers, to look competitive… but I don’t think either of them need or have room for him. No way he gets completely iced out of the league….
So where is he actually a good fit?
Gwynning
San Diego on the sly… and cheap. $5MM-8MM??? P
TrillionaireTeamOperator
In the past? Absolutely. But when guys like Gleyber get 1 year/$15M, Alonso will beat that by some degree, as he’s been more productive, higher WAR value, more power etc.
Gwynning
Desperate strokes for desperate folks. Pete’s market might be dry, should take advantage if it is. SEA, CIN, DET, BAL, ARI, A’s, Padres all make a certain amount of sense… but who’s *really* in? We’ll see, Trill!
JackStrawb
2023-2024:
Gleyber, 5.3 fWAR
Pete 4.9 fWAR
CaseyAbell
Ross Atkins might be desperate enough to agree to Boras’ proposed three-year idea. The Blue Jays have missed on so many other big name FAs that they might bend over for the Mighty Scott on a high-AAV short-term deal.
But I can’t see anybody giving Alonso big bucks on a long-term deal. Everybody expects this guy to decline pretty quickly. Tough fact of life for Pete and Scott.
So watch some mystery team waltz in with two hundred mill over seven years. Nah, that really is fantasy baseball.
tigerdoc616
Another Bora$$ client having trouble getting a contract to their liking. Like we haven’t seen that before.
Skyrider123
Regardless of what happens with Pete, he probably dumps Boras as his agent
geofft
boras was not his agent when he turned down the 7/$158M extension offer back in 2023.
icantstandyous
Stearns is too full of himself this roster he created looks more like the brewers than the Mets. How do you think 7 #5 starters is a good idea. With this pitching, they need to put up over 5 runs a game and honestly I don’t see that happening with this lineup. Leaving Soto unprotected. Wonder if he is questioning his deal now. Either way, last years success was a curse and they should have never signed Soto if they are installing the money ball approach. But I guess Stearns didn’t see the movie.
YourDreamGM
I don’t think Soto was too concerned about being protected other than the security he demanded. I think the giant pile of $ is what made the Mets appealing.
Compo
I’m just curious if the 30aav is what he thought he was really worth, or did Boras put it in his head that he could actually get that. The thought that he’d be worth more than Freeman or Harper is just ridiculous.
YourDreamGM
He turned down that overpay extension so he is full on delusional.
Aoe3
Why not take a discount for a winning team? Hes 1b in his 30s, being too greedy. This is going to backfire on him big time I think. Have fun playing for a mediocre club.
Pads Fans
3/68 was an insult.
Mets&SkenesFan
Teoscar says it isnt
YourDreamGM
We’ll see what he ends up with. You think it will be drastically more?
Mets&SkenesFan
Alonso is going to wind up getting 1 year because he looks selfish. He would be lucky to get the offer Chapman got last year and if he does he needs to suck it up play like the game in Milwaukee then he will get the contract he is looking for.
Redwolves3
What’s Boras’ next move to find a team willing to take Alonso? Especially now that the Mets appear to be moving on
geofft
There are moves. Whether he chooses them is a good question. A 1-year pillow deal. A 2- or 3-year deal for less than the $30M he demanded. Or a deal for the $23M the Mets offered, but with incentives that could boost it to $26 or $30M if Alonso bounces back.
KnicksFanCavsFan
I can almost guarantee you they must have a better offer on the table from another team. It’s Jan 16th.
Salzilla
I hope he indeed signs for more and bounces back. It seems to me both the Mets and their fans checked out on him after he rejected their initial offer. Not even his postseason performance was enough for them. It was their way or the highway. This last offer was definitely rejectable and they know it. It wasn’t made in good fairh at all, otherwise the counter would have been 3/75. They’ve got googly eyes for someone else. Gross. Hope they get rejected as well.
Norm Chouinard
Setting up for 2 years/$62 with opt out as a compromise. Boras gets his AAV trophy. Somebody would give him that in today’s market.
JackStrawb
Then ‘somebody’ is a fool. Pete’s not worth one of the highest AAV’s in the game and with 1 WAR going for roughly $8-9m in FA, he’d have to turn back the clock to 2022 to be worth it.
yanks2323
It’s an unvitation!
JackStrawb
It is. Pete was too dumb to take a deal that was a huge overpay compared to what Nimmo received as a 5.4 fWAR CFer in 2022.
Cohen tried to make him a Met for life, and instead Alonso spat on it then, with the arrogance of the true imbecile, he actually had the gall to hire Boras.
RoastGobot
lol good luck bro
Low IQ Angels Management
He’ll hit 60 bombs for the Halos next season!!! Sadly, the Halos will still win 60 games next season.
MrLOLMet
Watch him sign for less after opening day
soxprospectsroverrated
But I thought Uncle Stevie was going to spend unlimited money?!
Probably better to not add another DH to play with the 12 years of Soto-Dhing in 2028
YourDreamGM
He will. Just on much better players.
SupremeZeus
Mets wanted Pete. Pete had two separate opportunities to accept significant offers from the Mets and turned them both down. Turning down offer #1 was the biggest financial mistake of his life. Whether #2 was a mistake is tbd. The only question now is will Pete cry like Freddie when he returns to Queens as a former Met:)
YourDreamGM
He’s probably been crying for months now. Probably got it all out of his system. Unfortunately.
3 finger split
This is what I posted yesterday about a Mets offer to Alonzo and I wasn’t too far off…the Mets offered more than I would but I think he is not going to get what the Mets offered today and I think it’s going to be closer to what I predicted…he is going to regret turning down the Mets 3 year offer with opt outs…68-70 million…22.6-23.3 a year…Bone Head move on his part. C-ya Pete
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“Alonzo turned down 22.5 million to 22.9 million a year and if I’m the Mets I offer him 64.3 million for 3 years with opt outs after 1 and 2 years
First year pay him 22.9 million, 2nd year 21.3 million and 20.1 million…he will decline and start sinking fast but get one more decent year and if he tanks then 21.3 million then 20.1 million protects the Mets and the Mets can still go after Vlad and split 1B and DH if he doesn’t opt out and if he does… he still isn’t going to get more than 23 million a year from anybody otherwise he would have signed already. 22.9 million for 2025 is better than what he has now which is zero, zip, nada, nyet.”
YourDreamGM
I been saying for awhile 3 61m. 1m more than Walker to make him feel good. Mostly just because I am a as but Mets offer in NY $ is right there. I wouldn’t give my draft picks for either but think I’d rather have Walker.
AgentF
Seems to be a little bit of spite involved in this, even if it is still somewhat reasonable at the same time. Is Pete worth 150/6… no, probably not. Is he worth 90/3… maybe. Is he worth more than Severino… definitely. They offered him basically the same deal that Sevy got in Oakland and I can easily see Pete being offended by that, especially when it’s less than half of what they offered him as an extension two years ago. But, they have every right in the world to offer him that, just like he had every right in the world to accept the extension when the opportunity was there.
bravesfan
I don’t get it. 3 years with opt outs and it’s your team… take the deal.
Bizzle
Yeah man like in any other job, another company would have to offer you significantly more money to leave a good situation. He has a good situation now, on a team built to win in an organization he likes. So foolish on his part
robart
I keep saying, if you look at Stearns’ record in Milwaukee, he does not value the first base position as much as other positions. In eight years, from 2015 to 2022, the Brewers had seven first basemen, including Vogelbach. They averaged a tick over 25 home runs a year, including the covid year. I think he wants to take the money they would give to Pete and allocate it elsewhere. Now next year may be different, when Vladdy Jr. hits the open market.
JackStrawb
@robart Sounds right, and for the 30m AAV Alonso wanted the Mets could sign Flaherty and Tanner Scott.
Ewok_Schultz
Such a weird hill for Cohen & Stearns to die on…
JackStrawb
You’ve got to be kidding.
It’s an appropriate hill for the player to die on, one so ignorant he’s as smitten by his HRs as any tween.
“But.. but… I won the HR Derby!”
wesleycoxx
Next Chris Davis incoming
Zippy the Pinhead
Batting fourth for your Kiwoom Heroes…
orangenblackattack
He has major flaws in his game. But I’d take him on a 3-year deal with the Giants as a 1B/DH.
John Bird
Giants are 18 mil under the luxury tax and there’s no way they’re going over it AND give up draft picks and international money. Not with Eldridge a year away.
That guy you argue with on the Internet.
Rockies should sign him to a one year 25 million with a second year option for 30 million. Option would be a team option if he sticks with the club all season, and convert to player option in the event of a trade. 5 million buyout, so effectively a one year guarantee of 30. Would love to see how that power plays at Coors, even if only half a season, and force the Rockies to be a deadline player.
MrPeanutHead
Pete isn’t worth 3/90 and Fat Guerrero Jr definitely isn’t worth trading for or giving money to in free agency.
Doug
On 6/15/77, the Mets traded Tom Seaver to Cincinnati, and nine year old me switched to being a Yankees fan. Forever thankful to M. Donald Grant for that move, as I avoided decades of misery. Welcome to Yankee fandom, all the kids with Alonso jerseys, when he signs in Seattle because the Mets came up $20 mil short in their offer.
dugmet
You ate equating Pete with Seaver? As a fan since 1971, no. Thete’s no comparison. Pete is not a HoF player.He probably wont be an AS again. He is not the face of the team. And he is not going to be as missed as some fans think. BTW, I have never been miserable as a Mets fan – and had plenty of chances to switch to Yankees as I often had tix to Yankee games in the 70s because a relative worked in the Yankees’ front office. Ive been in the clubhouse, on the field for BP, etc. LFGM!
Tomas7
I think my wife is right, Pete may not be getting along with someone in the clubhouse and has wanted to move on. I’m getting tired of all this drama.
Captainmike1
I guess the Mets aren’t as stupid as the cubs
The Mets’ proposal was clearly not to Alonso’s liking, which isn’t all that surprising. It’s less than the front loaded $80MM guarantee which Cody Bellinger landed when he returned to the Cubs on an opt-out laden deal last winter
YourDreamGM
The 2025 roast of Pete Alonso
padam
This is certainly interesting. Wondering if the Mets are playing good cop (Cohen)/bad cop (Stearns) with Boras. Soto gets paid (Cohen plays it up directly) while he defers all other activity to Stearns (bad cop). Boras can’t do a thing while the Mets still keep a relationship with Boras through Cohen when they really want someone.
That guy you argue with on the Internet.
That’s exactly why this team will be a dumpster fire in the next few years. Anytime you have the front office and owner in a pissing match you’re going to have sports media lapping it up. It being New York is just all the more fuel to the fire.
HalosHeavenJJ
I’m shocked Arte has held out this long. This is exactly the type of non sensual, expensive mistake he loves to make.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
“non sensual” ?? I think you meant nonsensical