The Orioles announced they’ve signed Charlie Morton to a one-year deal. It’s reportedly a $15MM guarantee for the Wasserman client. Baltimore designated catcher René Pinto for assignment to open a 40-man roster spot.
Morton, who turned 41 in November, joins the sixth team of his career in what’ll be his 18th MLB season. The two-time All-Star has spent the past four seasons with the Braves, where he combined for a 3.87 ERA over 124 starts. While Morton’s production has dipped slightly over the past couple years, he has avoided the kind of dramatic drop-off one might expect from a pitcher in his 40s.
The righty took the ball 30 times and worked to a 4.19 earned run average across 165 1/3 innings last year. He reached 30 starts and surpassed 160 frames in all four seasons during his late-career run in Atlanta. Morton struck out 23.8% of opposing hitters against a slightly elevated 9.3% walk rate. The strikeout rate was his lowest since his 2017 breakout in Houston but remained a couple points above the league average for starting pitchers.
Morton hasn’t lost much velocity despite his age. His fastball averaged 94 MPH last year, a tick below where it had been for the prior three seasons. His primary offering, his curveball, landed at its customary 81.5 MPH on average. Morton continues to generate elite spin and generally strong results against the breaking pitch. Opponents hit .200 against the curveball last season.
In aggregate, Morton’s 2024 production was that of a solid fourth starter. He ran into some trouble in the second half, though. Morton allowed 4.37 earned runs per nine while giving up a lofty .279/.357/.469 batting line after the All-Star Break. Morton rebounded in September following a shaky August, while his strikeout and walk marks held steady throughout the season.
Atlanta, seemingly working with strict budget limits, never appeared interested in keeping Morton for a fifth season. There’s annual speculation that he could retire, but it became clear last month that he planned to return for another year. The Athletic’s David O’Brien has written that Morton wanted to sign with a team that played Spring Training near his Bradenton, Florida home. The Orioles qualify. Their complex is in Sarasota. Morton won’t be as close to home as he’d been in Georgia once the regular season begins, but that’s evidently less of a concern than the Spring Training geography.
Morton is Baltimore’s second veteran rotation addition of the winter. His signing comes three weeks after the O’s inked 35-year-old Japanese star Tomoyuki Sugano to a one-year, $13MM contract. Both pitchers project as durable back-end starters at this stage of their careers. The Orioles needed to add to their rotation behind Zach Eflin and Grayson Rodriguez. Sugano and Morton each make sense in isolation, but neither brings anywhere near the upside they lost when Corbin Burnes walked.
The offseason is halfway complete. Baltimore has been tied to Jack Flaherty, the best unsigned starter. They’re an obvious fit for potential trade candidates like Luis Castillo and Dylan Cease. There’s no guarantee this is their final move. Through the offseason’s first couple months, however, they’ve shied away from making the kind of splash that many in the fanbase anticipated under new owner David Rubenstein. In addition to the rotation acquisitions, they signed outfielder Tyler O’Neill to a three-year deal that guaranteed just under $50MM and brought in Gary Sánchez as a backup catcher/designated hitter on an $8.5MM signing.
Eflin, Rodriguez, Morton and Sugano form the top four in Brandon Hyde’s rotation for now. Dean Kremer projects as the fifth starter. Albert Suárez, Trevor Rogers, and younger pitchers Cade Povich and Chayce McDermott are behind them. They’re building decent depth but arguably still need an impact arm to slot at the top of the staff.
Pinto, 28, was claimed off waivers from the Rays at the start of the offseason. He’s out of options and can’t be sent to Triple-A without clearing waivers. His spot on the 40-man roster seemed tenuous after the Sánchez pickup. Baltimore will have five days to trade him or put him back on the waiver wire. Pinto hit .231/.263/.404 in 82 major league games with Tampa Bay between 2022-24.
Mark Feinsand of MLB.com first reported the $15MM salary. Image courtesy of Imagn.
murphy8
Oh my god, what on earth are they doing
YourDreamGM
Picking up the remaining scraps.
FletcherFan
Making a huge buy low to compensate for the loss of franchise players Connor Norby and Kyle Stowers
NYCityRiddler
The Baltimore -anything to save a buck- Orioles. Ahahahaha!
Thornton Mellon
Sure. Certainly there’s a clause that if Morton dies of old age or natural causes before the end of the season they don’t have to pay the rest of the contract out.
Ra
The Orioles who have spent 7th most on FAs this off-season. Sure, right.
84LeFlore
LOL. I couldn’t wait to read O’s fans comments when I saw the headline.
WestVillageTiger
Don’t most corporate life insurance policies pay out at 150% of his full salary if he dies on the job?
Ra
Love the sarcasm Fletcherfan: “Franchise Players!” ROFL!!!
FletcherFan
I wasn’t kidding…
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Morton can pitch to Goldschmidt in the Seniors League.
slowcurve
How the hell am I older than Goldy? Dude looks 57. A good healthy strong 57, but still.
Fever Pitch Guy
slow – He looks younger now without the beard …..
debubba
The going rate, it appears, is 15 mil for a fifth starter. Wow.
YourDreamGM
#4 starter. Not a good one any longer but still eats innings and strikes out enough.
Dumpster Divin Theo
The difference between a #4 and #5 starter: one.
debubba
Alex Cobb, is another who got 15 mil.
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@YourDreamGM
What is that comment based on. An era a tick over 4, pitched 165 innings and went 8 10. 20 out of 30 starts he gave up 3 or less and you’re saying that’s not good. What a joke of a comment. 17 out of 30 he have up 2 or less. It’s why you’re not the Dream GM. A lot of games he pitched in he kept the Braves in the game pitching on egg shells due to lack of run support. His record would have been much better except for that.
debubba
It makes the Guardians look pretty smart. Ortiz looks like the same kind of player but they are cost-controlled for years.
YourDreamGM
@Fred I’m definitely not your dream gm. I never even looked at his win loss era. Don’t care about about any 2024 stat actually but especially two worthless ones. That’s history. Only concern is 2025. All 30 teams agree with me. His contract tells you exactly what they think about him. If they thought he was better he would have gotten 20m. Just like the Braves were happy to give him previous years.
I thought this was a good signing at 13m. 15m is fine. It’s a red flag though Atlanta didn’t want him back. I just ran a formula but Atlanta watched him everyday and knows him medically. Maybe they can’t do the salary. Maybe better plan. It’s interesting though.
NashvilleJeff
@YourDreamGM’ Thinking that the Braves have more interest in using their abundance of AAA arms in the bottom of the 2025 rotation than they do in over spending on 4th and 5th starter types. They’ve got a several arms they need to evaluate in the rotation. Good time to do it now — especially because they could spend funds to fill outfield and bullpen needs instead of starting pitching.. Holmes, Ian Anderson, Waldrup, AJSS, Hackenburg. Wouldn’t surprise me to see AA deal for a cheap vet like Fedde as insurance ($7.5M on a 2025 expiring contract,) but Imo it’s not necessary. The organization shows no fear of throwing young pitchers into the mix. Secondary consideration is not spending to stay under the luxury tax (currently $24M under the first barrier) and also have money to spend at the trade deadline.
YourDreamGM
@Nashville You’re my Braves guy. I figured they were set or had something better in mind. Or at least cheaper.
I was just saying if anyone thought Morton was more than a 4 for 2025 he would got a lot more $. Atlanta could have had him for a bit less than 15 and they didn’t do it. Even with all that depth I don’t think they turn down a #3 for 13m.
Prospectnvstr
Crime dog: How dare you SPOUT FACTS that get in some other person’s gibberish narrative.
84LeFlore
$1 million per inning. Good work if you can get it.
YourDreamGM
I like his facts. They back what I said. 165 innings 8 and 10 record 4 something era keeps you in majority of games. Sounds like a #4 starter to me. I like Morton but he is what he is and why he got 15m and not 20. He was a 3 heck even a 2 but I don’t like the odds of getting back there at his age.
Ra
Morton hasn’t missed a turn in the rotation for 8 years but you think he’ll be finished within three starts. I hope you aren’t a gambler.
martevious
He’s a good 4th starter; he’s a great 5th starter. The guy is a steady eddie
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@YourDeamGM
You clearly don’t understand the game, the Atlanta Braves franchise, or the needs that they have. The Braves will be fine, it’s not that they didn’t want Charlie Morton, they have other priorities, now if you were astute you would have realized this. Furthermore, they have a big hole to fill in the bullpen with the injury to Joe Jimenez, and at the All Star break if the Braves are in contention AA can then make other moves as required. Again, stop repeating ad nauseam that the “Braves didn’t want Morton”, it’s just not correct.
There are at least 5 guys in the minors who have high ability that can take Charlie’s spot with priorities for the Braves elsewhere at this time, as has been explained to you by NashvilleJeff.
You are not “Dream GM”, you are Nightmare GM. Have a nice day.
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edit ***gave up 2 or less…
FrontRowBob
The price for starting pitching is crazy this off-season. I like this deal more than the Clay Holmes Deal. There is a big difference between pitching 1 inning and 6-7. It”s much easier to go from Starter to Reliever where you can give it your all for 1+ innings. Sure Morton is old and will likely regress but I wager his numbers are better than Holmes. The one thing that will help Morton is he has become a PITCHER and not just a thrower. It’s why he is better now than in his mid 20s. I don’t LOVE this deal and I’m sure the O’s GM does not LOVE the deal….but the Pitchers and their agents know they have the upper hand.
pt57
@84LeFlore Huh? Maths is hard.
dasit
might i interest you in marcus stroman?
cooperhill
Lionoflambs
Yeah, money is like 34 trillion in debt. Pujols signed for 200 million 10 years as a record breaking contract in 2011. That Juan Soto money back then? But not quite get a cheese burger for 25 cents
tuck 2
Holding down the fort until Bradish comes back.
30 starts last year, 9.3 k/9, 4.19 era not an ace but he’ll keep you in games.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Does Pat Dobson have any eligibility left? Asking for a friend.
MacGromit
@Theo
except the comment was about the Mandela Effect which references a collective memory that Mandela had *died*. Morton may be well done, but he’s not a dead steak.
it’s fine to tease the O’s for their slow FO in acquiring rotation help but it’s odd how in this comment section there are both comments about how expensive Morton was and also that Baltimore is saving a buck. If that’s a reference to Burnes, it takes 2 parties to be on the same page to sign. Corbin understandably wanted to be closer to his family and infant twins in AZ. Good for him, he was certainly as advertised in 2024. too bad the Oriole bats didn’t back him up in the playoffs.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Thanks for the pop culture explanation MacGromit. How’s MacWallace these days?
Dumpster Divin Theo
“Holding down the fort until Bradish comes back”. Kinda like that time Sam Houston left the Alamo and told Davy Crockett: “I’m going out for smokes and a little dice. B right back”.
JackStrawb
@tuck 2 Yeah, because if 41 year olds in pro ball are notorious for, it’s holding serve year to year.
Damn Yankee$
Also in negotiations with Jamie Moyer to round out the rotation.
King Floch
Punting on the rotation after being aggressive in upgrading the offense.
Kind of a weird offseason altogether, but I guess there was no free agent SP other than Burnes out there that they wanted on a big money, multi-year deal. I can’t say I disagree if that is the case, the only guys whose deals I would have matched or beat were Burnes, Kikuchi, and…that’s about it actually.
chemfinancing
I really like the move it gives them depth but they now seem unlikely to sign Flaherty
pt57
1 year of Morton at $15 million > 3 years of Flaherty at 3/+$60 million.
Off season isn’t over.
Ra
And I’ve heard rumors he Flaherty wants 5 years! That’s risky.
C Yards Jeff
When Orioles saw the bidding war for Lorenzen was getting pricey (multi year deal probably), they moved quickly to get a vet SP on that 1 yr deal deal.
Os FO sees older guys Eflin, Sugano and Morton as placeholders. While they value younger guys Rodriguez, Bradish and Wells as long term 1-3 pieces.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Oh my god, they’re eating the dogs. They’re eating the cats
Simm
He seems pretty washed to me. Maybe he has another year left in him but idk.
YourDreamGM
AA and Atlanta agrees.
I think it’s more realistic expectations. No longer a 10k guy but 9 or even 8 is still useful and worth a 1y 13m. And to get better many times costed 20 25 million multiple years or opt outs options.
YourDreamGM
Mandela effect. It was originally 13m. Not it’s 15m. So 12m to 13m for Atlanta. They can just get Hoffman for cheaper and make him a starter.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Except we all celrbrated, as Nelson Mandela was free. This dude costs beaucup moolah.
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YourDreamGM
You have no clue whatsoever what Atlanta or AA believes.
YourDreamGM
Sure I do. They just told me. Told you too but you couldn’t figure it out so I will explain it to you. People are creatures of comfort. Morton originally signed with Atlanta because it’s close to his family in Florida. Same reason he signed with Tampa. Extended contract with them. Still a playoff team world series contender. Only two reasons to leave. They had some falling out that I didn’t hear about or Atlanta no longer wants him or doesn’t think he is worth 12 13 million. You have to be a pretty weak pitcher to not be worth 13m.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Wasn’t that a Doobje brother ditty: what a Atlanta believes
NashvilleJeff
@Dumpstera: Nah, it was “what a fool believes.” Maybe McDonald was referring to a White Sox fan.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Touche. A Fonzie badge for you good sir. Tho Mister ‘Ya Mo B There’ actually penned “what a foodie believes” about the White Sox fan experience. Have you tried the Minnie Minoso Cubano samwitch, Elote corndog (with its muy bueno pairing of cotija queso, corn, jalapeño, red pepper and cilantro) or the succulent decadence of the smores in a glass Campfire Milkshake? Yum!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Haley Joel Osment: “I hear dead people”. YourDreamGM: “I hear Atlanta GM people”
micg
The voice in your head is not “them” speaking!
“Morton originally signed with Atlanta because it’s close to his family in Florida?” Have you looked at a map? You might as well say he signed with Atlanta to be close to his family in Cincinnati. All he was seeking is a Spring training site close to home (Bradenton Fla.) He did not commute 500 miles each way to home games in ATL!
Dumpster Divin Theo
All he was saying is Give Peace a Chance. All he was seeking is a home, where the bathroom is close to the kitchen
Ra
9 k/9 qualifies as “great” according to Fangraphs aka A-/B+ for an SP
YourDreamGM
If fangraphs knew anything teams wouldn’t have have so many employees. So 6 7 is good? 4 5 useful? Good luck with that. That’s for pretenders. Or teams rebuilding. Ground ball pitcher sure. Serious contenders though, I don’t want to go much below 8.
Ra
No, your numbers are wrong. You should have googled the Fangraphs article first.. They consider 7.0 K/9 “below average” aka C-. 6 K/9 is “poor,” like a D grade, 5 or below is failing or “awful” as they describe it. Being that Morton’s three-year K/9 average is 9.6, the probability is that he’ll provide higher than 8 K/9.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Ask Nigel. He doesn’t stop at 6 7. Or 8 9. His go to Eleven.
YourDreamGM
Wouldn’t waste my time with that garbage. My numbers aren’t wrong. I would never come up with such a ridiculous system. If 9 is great 7 below average doesn’t make sense. Either 9 is good or 7 should be average. 7 average 8 good 9 great I can accept. Or 7 below average 8 average 9 good. And what’s 10 11 12 13 14 really great! Excellent! Super duper awesome!
Card AG
You don’t seem to like to look up anything before you talk about things. You just speak
PutPeteinthehall
30 starts and 160 frames. That’s the definition of a full seasons work for a starter now. The guys been out there every fifth day. Much better bet than Scherzer.
bwmiller79
Orioles fans are going to love this guy, he is one of my favorite pitchers of all time. He loves pitching, gives the best post game interviews of any player I’ve followed.
I think it’s an overpay, I’m surprised he commanded 15M, but he has the right type of arsenal to pitch well into his forties, great curve ball. Rich Hill had a couple good years in his forties with a great curveball.
He pitched some good games for the Braves late in the ’24 season. There is good reason to believe that Morton can give the O’s a full slate of starts and they should give him some run support. Braves didn’t give him any run support last season. I peg him for fourteen or fifteen wins with an Orioles team that should score a lot of runs.
Ra
Your estimate might be a tad high on the Ws but I agree with the main points.
SoCalBrave
As a Braves fan who watches all the games and also one who loves Uncle Charlie, last year was the first time that I noticed Morton having really bad body language when he was at the mound and things weren’t going his way.
I’m not saying he quit or gave up, not at all. But he seemed genuinely frustrated and defeated. I thought for sure he would retire.
I hope the change of scenery will revive his career at least for 1 more year.
Ra
Yeah, I watched Flaherty in an Orioles uniform and never saw a pro athlete with body language as bad as his. And then he put it together with the Tigers right after. He ended the year well after that August 8th shellacking vs the Brewers, so that may be a good omen.
bwmiller79
He doesn’t have too many seasons left, but I’d bet he could pitch in the bullpen effectively until he 45 or 46 if the starting role doesn’t work out.
As a Charlie Morton fan, you hope it does because he is a pitcher that thinks a lot about his game, and I think he would miss the strategic gamesmanship that comes with the second pass through a lineup, and on a good day the third run through an opposing lineup.
Fatigue has to be a factor, inevitable at 40. But some of the toughest old timers made it work for a few seasons in their forties.
JackStrawb
@Simm He’s still K’ing 9.1 per 9 IP, and the other peripherals are under control. Still, he’s been a little below average in 2 of the last 3 seasons. I think he’s got one more ‘bent, but didn’t break’ seasons left.
Call it 140 IP with a 4.50 ERA.
Simm
That seems fair to expect. Though when it goes bad it can go bad quickly. His age and numbers starting to decline means he is on the ropes. Lowest k/9 in 7 years…though over 9 is still good.
Maybe it’s worth a 15m dollar chance. Idk, I find the O’s to be a frustrating franchise. This team had the making of a dynasty type run them but I feel like in 5-6 years or sooner we are going to look back and say they wasted it.
It will be mainly on the pitching. The org doesn’t have enough pitching coming up so you have to acquire it. Spend some more
Money or makes some good trades to get the pitching. They made a good trade for Burnes last year and terrible one with the marlins. Now it’s this every year they have to find a pitching staff. Idk, it’s one thing to draft well with high draft picks it’s another to build a compete team. I’m a padres fan and this for a while felt like prellers issue. I think he is finally figuring it out but may require some failures to do so. But he at least pushed his chips in while the O’s go about 3/4 of the way in my eyes.
murphy8
Everyone said Mike Elias was such a great gm he lowkey is on the hot seat after this disgrace of an offseason. 28 mil between Sugano and Morton while Burnes signed for about the same is wild, Orioles “not spending” and then give 15 mil to a 40 year old. Who’s next Scherzer for 30???
ryrockak
Burnes wanted to pitch close to home after his wife had a baby. That’s why he signed with the D Backs. His agent called them. He was set on the D Backs if they would take him and that’s why he also took less money….
Dogs for Hire
……but now the kid can afford pre-school.
O'sSayCanYouSee
…given the price of pre-school these days, it feels like you do need be a Cy Young winner to afford it.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Especially around Maryland county. My brother paid a healthy ransom to get his 3 kids through those Catholic schools. Good education and sharp unies tho. When all was said and done, he left for Louisiana singing Oh Sussanah with a banjo on his knee.
Ra
What state is “Maryland County” in? Not in Maryland…
Dumpster Divin Theo
Oop meant Howard-Anne Arundel County. So sorry. Have another crabby cake, Old Bey the way you like it
Ra
Those who know use J.O. seasoning, not Old BAY.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Zing. You’ve spotted the carpet bagger transplant whose first Bawlmawr residence was the corporate Marriott up Light street. Tho I got up to speed quickly by palling with the Charm City Roller Girls. Good times. Say, know anyone who’s got a beeline on Raven playoff tickets, asking for a friend.
JackStrawb
@Rick Pernell Given most parents would rather raise their children from infancy than hand them off to strangers, this isn’t surprising.
YourDreamGM
1 Ownership loves him being able to work within such a small budget.
2 You don’t fire someone who builds that elite farm system even if they stink at every other aspect and he doesn’t.
3 Burnes would have been a awful signing. They wanted that draft pick and smart to want it and 200m could do a lot more than Burnes. You can ask why they didn’t sign a better pitcher but Burnes isn’t the one they should have went for.
Simm
Will see how long that farm is strong. It’s starting to drop quickly. Add in soon enough some of the better players will start to get paid. If they don’t retain them this run maybe over before long.
YourDreamGM
@Simm team friendly extension or trade. Just reload and hope to hit on new players. Will have a lot of draft picks so instant farm reload coming.
roob
Baltimore can’t compete with the big boys again this year. It’s a shame. I guess new ownership isn’t spending the bucks. Too bad for O’s fans. They could have really had something special if they just got a couple of front line starting pitchers.
BigV
Nailed it
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@Simm Latest Rankings by Bleacher Report has Orioles dropped down into the bottom third of all farm systems. And Elias is philosophically opposed to long term contracts for free agent pitchers.
Simm
Not that the BR rankings are all that great but they were near the bottom bottom in that ranking.
They have tried to play the we willing trade and continue to win card. That card is about to be tested in the next couple of years. This is a team that should win a championship if their owners paid for the right pitching…and or traded for it. Now they are in danger of a rebuild soon enough.
Simm
Not a lot of them team friendly extension happening. The time for those are started to pass by as well. The closer to arb each guy gets the less likely anextension happens. They can trade off some players.
Ragnarok
The O’s dropped down because Kjerstad, Cowser, Povich and Holliday dropped off the list. That doesn’t mean anything at all. They’re contributing to the big league club.
Simm
It means everything when it comes to farms. People drop off on every team every year.
Ra
“Isn’t spending?” 7th total FA spending, payroll more than doubled. They missed on Burnes, who wanted to pitch where he lives.
Ra
Bleacher Report is not a reputable source. It’s just amateur writers. Did you write the article.
Professional baseball writers rank the Orioles’ farm from 3rd to 7th.
Ragnarok
It means nothing because those players still hold value. They aren’t dampened as trade chips.
They aren’t reflected on somebody’s “list” but that doesn’t change that they hold value like prospects. Povich, Holliday and Kjerstad can be controlled for 6 full seasons like a prospect can.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I think Bleacher Report is the only updated list. All the others are only updated thru end of season AFAIK. Also I would like to see receipts of the offer that Baltimore dangled in front of Burnes to stay because I never heard that reported anywhere. And one other thing it was my understanding that Burnes went knocking on Arizona’s door and they had no intention of signing him prior to that. Wasn’t on their radar at all.
Ra
Doubly stupid: citing the amateurs at BR for your reference and not recognizing that there is no need for the possibility for a “rebuild for at least five years or more. It doesn’t matter where your farm ranks as long as you graduate top end MLB talent, which they have done. And are about to do with two more Top 10 prospects in Basallo and Mayo.
Professional baseball writers rank the Orioles farm between 3rd and 7th.
Ra
Nobody gives one shtt about how many minor league championships are won. Nothing matters except MLB.
Ra
We’ll never know for sure what the offers were from Baltimore or SF. But there is a very real chance that Burnes took a little less to sign with the team in his family’s backyard.
Northeasternskier
Time to offer Roki Sasaki a deal he can’t refuse.
stymeedone
That drop couldn’t possibly be from players graduating to the majors. The goal is never to have the top ranked system. The goal is to win at the major league level.
Simm
You have to wait until the new season adjustment come out.
The rankings change pretty quickly
Dumpster Divin Theo
Simm speaks the truth. Simm knows a thing or two about farms. And cities. Don’t quibble with Simm. Lest he play the Simm card
MattStats5
Agree. Folks don’t get it…Burnes was heading west regardless of money.
Big whiffa
Good lord. How is that true ? What he was bargaining for in the media was a 7 year deal. Not one publication had him going to Arizona. NOT 1. Yet after he signed, you’d think he’s a home grown hero going back to take his people to the promise land. Rotf.
He signed in Arizona bc no one else was in on him where he wanted to play and make the amount of money deserved. The orioles didn’t offer nearly enough, he didn’t want to play on Toronto who offered him 10’s of millions more than what he signed for. It came down to Arizona or SF and he chose Arizona. If any number of other teams offered him Toronto money – he’d be in a different city 100% !
terry g
Keep thinking that.
Ra
I knew he was going to pitch near his home with SF being the only other viable option. The Orioles at least had a slim chance because of relationships built. Never in a million years was he signing with the Yankers, Mets, BJs or any other Northeastern team.
Your claim is just wrong and shows an ignorance of who Burnes is and his motivation to sign with AZ
Scott m
Everyone knew Burnes wanted to pitch close to home. That is not the issue. Issue is Orioles pretended to be all in on him while rest of the pitchers fell off the board. They played some fans perfectly because see these post too often.
JackStrawb
@ryrockak Does he know his wife is capable of motility?
CGG12
Yeah but their they are 1 year deals. Not long term like Burnes. He has to get long term deals worked out for Rutch and Henderson. Maybe even jump on early extensions for Holliday, Cowser, Westburg.
A Burnes long term extension limits those possibilities. He’s playing it safe to keep the core intact. He promised a perennial contender, I guess that’s what Baltimore fans are getting.
horaceallen
I am not convinced they are a playoff team. Probably, but certainly not a lock. Division isn’t happening.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Well guess they’ll be mired in wildcard mediocrity. Not so bad. As long as they get to host the occasional playoff round game all will be good. Sell some hats and Boogs BBQ and my brother makes some bonus change. Still better situation than lower mid dregs like the Angels or Cubs
danumd87 2
I think they are a lock for the playoffs and given talent, age, etc. should be considered the favorite over the yanks
dpsmith22
slowly put the kool-aid down and back away.
this is not a playoff rotation. we need serious forward steps from our young core to have any shot
Ra
I wouldn’t claim the Orioles can’t win the division. The Yankers are overall worse by losing Soto. The offense is weak, only Judge is a producer. They now are reliant on iffy replacements like Bellinger and Goldy!. Fried might be a downgrade from Cortes, based on elbow health. The Sox are incomplete and bad on D. The Rays have holes. The BJs look like 5th place. But any team could win the division.
cooperhill
Fried is HOF compared to fat little Nestor!
Ra
Take a look at the 2024 Dodger rotation and tell us how the Orioles can’t make the playoffs with this rotation.
Ra
And Fried is probably getting TJ before 40 starts as a Yanker.
Veejh
A perennial 1st round loser! Yippee!
metsin4
Henderson isn’t getting signed by Baltimore. He’s destined for a massive payday with one of the New York teams or Dodgers.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Adley Henderson’s never leaving! Loyal to the charmed city! A Balto lifer! Just like…Mussina
dpsmith22
I will deal Henderson in 2 years. he isn’t extending. but damn is he good.
Ra
His workout barn is painted in Orioles colors and logos. You may be assuming things about Gunnar based on other people like Bryce Harper.
stymeedone
It will need to be repainted in a few years, whether he stays or leaves. Only the colors may change.
jumps
It’s tough, a damned if you do/don’t scenario. Something to remember though is that of those guys you mentioned. Westburg, Gunnar, & Holiday are all Boras guys. The chances of any extension is slim/none right now. Maybe you can get Adley on an extension but Wasserman is Boras-lite, they get their guys paid. So that extension is gonna be pricey. It’s tough though because if they don’t win within the next 3-4 years, who knows what the team will look like? The next 2 years are probably gonna be the strongest looking O’s roster (in total). Having a true ace would take a lot of pressure off the team. But it seems like they were fighting uphill to re-sign Burnes anyway. But they should really start looking at improving the top of the rotation. The adds aren’t bad but most contenders can’t rely on a rotation that’s mostly #3 starter types and a couple top of the rotation guys that have healthy concerns.
One TRUE top of the rotation arm will do wonders for the O’s.
O'sSayCanYouSee
^ This!
(Hat tip Jumps)
Dumpster Divin Theo
^ That!
(Cow jumps over Moon)
Ra
They can’t sign Adley. The only one they should sign is Gunnar. And it can still happen, But it would only extend team control by ~ 2 years. Buy out the ARB years and add two premium FA years and it’s a no-brainer – it ensures a huge payday in case he suffers a career ending/damaging injury. And that would be fabulous. It’s OK if he walks at 30.
Ra
Last 2 WS winners relied on MOR SPs. As long as they can bridge to the bullpen they can earn a playoff berth. Then SPs see their innings reduced.
JackStrawb
@CGG12 a “perennial contender” when 40% of teams make the postseason is a meaningless term.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Murph
I completely understand your frustration, but I think it’s likely unwarranted to place blame on the GM. What GM wouldn’t want to put the best players on the field? He wants to justify his current and future job opportunities fielding a winning team. He’s likely trying to do the best he can within the budget constraints placed on him. if you can’t go big game hunting, then you try and play the margins and hope that guys like Morton have another good year in them. Blame the owner.
Veejh
Budget constraints? They get revenue sharing and own 75% of the Nats TV rights. Even the new owner is greedy and cheap.
seriouslysteve
What are you talking about??? How does the orioles offering more money than the D-backs make the owner cheap???
YourDreamGM
They offered more $? Did more $ include the player opt out? I only heard franchise record not more $. And needed to be a lot more $ to make up for taxes and location preference.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Veejh
It doesn’t matter how much you have, it’s good much you’re willing to spend. That’s my point. Maybe he’s been given a budget to work on, and he can’t spend $200 mil on one player? I’m sure he wished he can spend like the Dodgers, Yanks or Mets, or even 75% of what they spend. I’m sure the GM would love to add a bunch of impact players. The better the product, the better he ends up looking. Blame it on the owners.
Ra
Ignorant take Veejh. The new ownership group bought the Orioles despite MASN being valued at $0. RSNs are going insolvent across the country. But you think the Orioles should further enrich the team that MLB financially backed when conspiring to highjack the Expos franchise. There’s a reason why MLB agreed to the negotiation. You believe the Orioles should damage themselves after MLB took a shotgun to them. Nah dude. BTW: Rubenstein just donated $10Million to PANDAS!!! Greedy is not the word you are searching for.
Reynaldo's
Don’t bother trying to explain the intricacies of baseball operations to casual fans who are used to running their teams on MLB The Show.
Ra
Totally wrong take. The Orioles offered Burnes a franchise record. Both Baltimore and SF may have offered more than AZ did. Rubenstein has stated he has given the green light to increase spending. Payroll has more than doubled since the change on ownership 10 months ago. Orioles are 7th in FA spending this off-season. I could go on.
stymeedone
@murphy8
Nice! Like they way you compare contracts for just 2025, and not the entirety of Burnes contract. Doubt Burnes would have accepted a one yr for that amount.
Reyday
Didn’t you see Burnes was offered 250MM to pitch elsewhere and declined it. Y’all don’t use your heads at all. Probably would of cost over 260+MM to get Burnes.
YourDreamGM
250 probably from Toronto. Toronto $ not same as Arizona $. Family doesn’t live in Toronto. Spring training isn’t in Toronto.
If he turned down 250m from Baltimore he is a idiot.
Reyday
It’s not reported it was Blue Jays tho it just said AL East team. Either way it would have cost O’s a lot more money to sign Burnes than what he actually signed for.
tuck 2
And he didn’t sign for the same – he signed for 5 times more. Let’s see how that contract looks in 4 years. So tired of idiots that aren’t fans. All you want is to mortgage the future which works about 1% of the time.
Dock_Elvis
That low key hot seat could be caused by the new ownership group transition. If they had to put up a lot of capital up front it might constrict the budget.
Ragnarok
If it was a tight cash flow issue. I think they’d be looking at these multi-year deals with deferrals rather than these one year deals at reasonably high salaries. That’s $45MM this year for the 3 fa’s.
Rubinstein also has significantly more money than PA too. I doubt that is really the cause.
Dock_Elvis
Ragnarok….those delayed deals are kind of scary. Not every team is the Dodgers. They’re playing with the interest on their money, basically. Smaller markets…the game regresses…anything that could effect the bottom line. It’s trouble. And I’m inclined to think some of these states seeing half a billion in deferred taxable income punted will start closing loopholes. California was super not happy about the Ohtani deal. Crumbling schools and he’s being taxed on like 7M or less.
Ra
“Affect,” not “effect” the bottom line, in English.
Ragnarok
I don’t think Rubinstein buys this team if he’s that worried about baseball’s revenue shriveling up down the line.
A cash flow issue directly after buying a team is more plausible. But given what Rubinstein has and his main business being the money maker that it is—-don’t think that’s it either. (Not to mention the O’s were definitely profitable last season with the payroll they ran out there)
I think Elias didn’t like the long term plays after he missed out on his targets and wasn’t going to panic and tie up significant future dollars on players he didn’t deem to be worth it.
Ra
No Dock, the Orioles have more than doubled payroll and rank 7th in FA spending this Winter.
Dock_Elvis
Ra- You’d think wielding 35M would have gotten a pretty solid player and less risk. Morton is a solid innings eater. But for me…when you’re paying 15-20M for that 4 starter…there was a failing to develope.
I think we’re going to find soon whether the Orioles brain trust can win and not just build using high picks.
They are slapping a decent floor. But they have had parts to trade…money to spend. And they’re operating on the cheap cheap. A lot of money for a talent floor by my perspective.
CleaverGreene
Burnes wanted the desert. Too much money to convince him otherwise.
micg
Comparing $210 mil over 6 seasons for an ace ($35 mil avg) to $28 mil for one season for two starters is childishly simplistic. imho
bhambrave
I was hoping the Braves would have re-signed him, but they wouldn’t have been willing to go to $15M.
YourDreamGM
They wouldn’t have to. It’s closer to his family and he was comfortable there. They had absolutely zero interest in him to force him to sign with Baltimore. Atlanta probably could have got him for 10m.
YourDreamGM
13m
braveshomer
I believe they could’ve had him for less as well…Goes to show Braves aren’t going to do anything meaningful and are doing a ‘reset’. Them making the playoffs with ‘castoffs’ as everyone likes to say was the worst thing they could’ve done. AA and management i would assume is believing they can do it again…3rd place finish / wildcard hope season is in full swing smh
YourDreamGM
Morton was talking retirement last decade. Signed with Tampa because had family in Florida. Signed with Atlanta because close to Florida. Signed with them again. Unless something drastic happened he liked it there. No reason to leave unless the Braves no longer wanted him at anywhere close to his value. No reason to leave your comfort zone for a few million more. Only a mercenary like Freddie Freeman does that.
braveshomer
Exactly….I’m a huge Freddie Freeman fan but he could spare me those crocodile tears leaving Atl blaming his agent. Freeman wanted to go to LA and AA didn’t wanna resign him for anything of real value. They both were fake in that situation just for show.
YourDreamGM
I think he was crying because he lost a lot of $. Braves were his only market. LA came in with their deferred $. They are smart and can’t pass up a bargain. I loved it though. I wish I could have licked those sweet tears off his face. Rooting for Pete to cry now.
YourDreamGM
Gotta see what Nashville Jeff Bridges thinks though. I’m a jack of all trades. As a Pirate there’s only 1 team for me matey. Nash always seems to have the Braves pulse.
As a fan of smart teams I would consider myself a Braves fan. They been really good for a long time. I would guess they really wanted Freddie back but they couldn’t afford to play around with him any longer. They had to get a 1b. Maybe some ego involved as well. AA probably enjoyed seeing him cry as well. Might have wished he waited a bit longer in hindsight.
NashvilleJeff
@Dream: You’ve got it right Dream. The Braves did want FF, but AA’s firm in his bidding. Freeman’s agent tried to play games w/AA over an extra year (that FF didn’t get from the Dodgers either.) Freddie’s agent lost the game of musical chairs when AA tired of his BS and pivoted to the A’s for Olson. FF had to take LA’s deferred money deal. He had no other option.
NashvilleJeff
@Dream: Skenes gonna make a lotta guys walk the plank this year. Hitters gonna scream “Arggggggh matey” when they see him on the mound.
YourDreamGM
Skenes better because he ain’t getting any runs with that line up. When the shell of himself 40 year old cutch is your 3rd best hitter and I think 3rd in hrs you are in trouble. Their gm needed fired so the best thing for them is another losing season so ownership finally wakes up. Bottom 5 payroll needs top 5 player development.
bhambrave
I think the lockout may have played a part. The negotiation window was artificially short, if you believe that they didn’t talk during the lockout.
NashvilleJeff
@Dream: Yeah, pretty much all pitch, no hit for your Pirates. Adding a couple of decent bats could give the rest of that Division fits w/your pitching.
YourDreamGM
2025 2026 2027 already determined. They can sign Winker Pillar and get lucky wim division or last wild card. Do a rebuild when Skenes Jones Keller are gone and try again 5 years later. But a new gm who somehow finds good development coaches could just keep it rolling like Cleveland Milwaukee Tampa. Can always wish and dream on new hitting coach making Davis and Suwinski good. 20 and 30 hr guys just failed by poor coaching.
NashvilleJeff
@Dream: I really wanted the Braves to try and deal for Suwinski last off season before they got Kelenic. I thought Suwinski would’ve been a good candidate for swing improvements under Seitzer’s tutelage. Still think he’s got untapped potential.
YourDreamGM
He was already good. 800 something ops vs RHP. They tried to teach him to hit LHP and cut down on strike outs and made him where he couldn’t do anything other than stand their and take strike 3. They might make playoffs if they fix him. He’s a legit ok CF (have cruz so not needed but nice for LF at pnc) and 30 hrs as just a strong platoon. Davis hit everywhere but MLB. Pirates failed to teach him to catch so I think being so behind there messed his hitting up at mlb. Then just threw him in RF. What a mess. The week or month or whatever he spent at drive line taught him more about catching then the Pirates did in years. Really impressive what they did for him. I can right a novel on Pirates development failure. To sum it up you better be highly motivated to seek out non Pirates instruction.
Ra
Meanwhile, he lives near the Orioles Spring Training facilities, which is very important to a lot of players. And he can fly from Baltimore to Bradenton in 2.5 hours. Not like he signed with Seattle.
Joemo
Low risk signing, I like it.
schwender
It’s not low-risk, the risk is not pushing the chips in while the playoff window is open.
YourDreamGM
With their farm scouting development the window can always be open or no window. But no better time than the present and seems there was better pitchers available.
Ra
There were better pitchers “available?” Who? They wanted Burnes. They had no interest in Fried, who is staring down a TJ really soon. Eovaldi stayed where he wanted to be. Elias values Rule 4 draft picks so there is little appeal to losing ~ #34 in order to sign Pivetta or Severino. Are we sure Manaea, who also would have lost them a pick, sustainable with his changes going forward. Is Kikuchi definitely better? That 3 year commitment at $21Million AAV looks like another doomed Angles signing. Max and Verlander??? The Orioles signed two of the healthiest, most durable pitchers that were available on the open market. Maybe that played into their calculus in determining whom they wanted to sign.
YourDreamGM
Keep naming names. There’s no upside with Morton. Heck you just hope the music doesn’t stop and you get stuck with his last year. Plenty of others have at least the same floor. Plenty of those have a higher ceiling. Plenty of those younger. It’s a fine move. Just not a I want to win the world series move.
Ra
I’m still looking for those “better pitchers available” you claimed existed. Couldn’t find any. Do you not think health and durability was important to Elias’ decision making process? Do you not agree that losing top draft picks for a guy like Pivetta – who is still available and might not be as good in 2025 as Morton – is likely bad strategically? Are you really signing Flaherty for 4 or 5 years – because I sure wouldn’t. So yeah the available duo of Max and Verlander look like far, far greater gambles that are highly likely to be a big failure for some teams.
YourDreamGM
Kikuchi is better. Snell easily. Crochet easily. Springs. Luzarado. Montas. Holmes. Some names have more risk than others but if you don’t want to lose draft picks risk it is.
Diggydugler
To be fair the window is like….5 more years. But yes.
Joemo
So … He is a high risk signing then? Based on what? The fact that he’s not an ace?
I would kill to have someone like Morton on the Red Sox staff. Someone with a proven track record of giving 30+ starts of good baseball.
It’s not a classy or exciting signing, but it’s one that should help Baltimore compete this year. If he’s bad or father time comes knocking, it’s a one year deal. Not the end of the world.
YourDreamGM
Red Sox this decade have you trained to just be happy making the playoffs. Hey alright we got a wild card we are in. You guys celebrated getting a average 2b prospect for a cy young winner. Baltimore fans have been in and exited quick. They are craving more. They know Morton doesn’t match up vs what other teams will bring. This is a let’s just be above 500 and see what happens pitcher. Not a let’s try to win a championship move. They would gladly trade with you. Walker much more upside than Morton. Crochet upside is best pitcher in baseball. Red Sox are finally going for it. It’s about time but I love it. That’s what Baltimore would like to see. Most fans want to see.
Joemo
Compare Morton in 2024 and Buehler. One of them had a better season, I’ll let you decide.
Buehler is high risk, high reward. Morton is low risk, low to medium reward. He’s not going to win a cy young, but he’s going to give you a stabilizing force in the rotation. He’s a guy who is going to give you 30+ starts. Now if he’s your 1/2 going into the season sure get concerned, but as a middle or back of the rotation arm it’s a great addition.
And I did not celebrate getting Grissom for Sale, I thought the return was abysmal. That trade also signified them punting on the season, and well we see how that turned out. A trade of Sale should have brought back a pitching prospect, not yet another middle infielder.
If the Red Sox were going for it they would have actually made good on their publicity around Soto and sign a proven ace (making actual good offers to Fried and Burnes), not gambling on Crochet being able to replicate one good half season of SP after having TJ as a reliever and hoping Buehler magically recovers well from his second TJ after having an abysmal 2024. These moves are more a way to keep fans interested while FSG reinvests the money from the Sox elsewhere while investing the bare minimum.
YourDreamGM
Soto Fried Burnes cost prospects. And $. Soto isn’t actually worth 800m. Is to Mets because they have a lot of tickets to sell. Boston fans watch whatever they give you so ticket sales don’t have much room for growth. Soto to Boston would have been a awful move. Burnes awful because you could have got Fried for more years and he is a lefty. Fried ok but do you want to beat NY offer? The smart teams didn’t. Tampa Cleveland Milwaukee field entire teams for 100m and you want to spend 800m on 1 guy? That’s Devers Mookie Sale. I’ll take those 3. And yearly av doesn’t matter for a team like Boston. They print $. Total $ is what matters.
Joemo
What prospects do Soto, Fried and Burnes cost? They would cost a second round draft pick, oh no!
I didn’t think Soto was a good fit, LH heavy lineup and a full outfield with some great prospects coming up. But the fact that FSG was selling their pursuit of him and then coming up miles short was hilarious. Also his AAV is what 51MM, Betts and Devers are around 30MM so that puts you WAY way over. I’d personally rather have both of those guys than Soto but just adding some facts.
And money in general shouldn’t matter to the Sox. FSG has been able to reap the benefits of the successful Sox years and build a very diverse portfolio. If more Boston fans put their foot down when they refuse to reinvest in them, they might actually change their mind. But that’s also difficult to do as Fenway and Boston is such a tourist spot. FSG should be able to spend like Cohen and the Dodgers and choose not to, because there has largely been no repercussions for the horrible half hearted rebuild they went through under Bloom.
Fried for 8 years is a little much, but I would have loved to get Burnes on a 6 year deal, even for say 240. Higher AAV but an earlier end? That’s how the big market teams should operate.
NashvilleJeff
Not just the loss of the draft pick. Draft pool money for the pick is also gone. So is $1M in ifa money, iirc.
YourDreamGM
Jeff will tell you. Braves ever find anyone decent in 2nd round? 800m is 8 Acunas. Or 327 Albies.
NashvilleJeff
@Dream: Braves have had better luck in the 3rd (Michael Harris II) and 4th rounds in recent years (Strider), but Spencer Schwellenbach was a strong 2nd round pick in 2021. They got Acuna for $1o0K of ifa bonus money in 2014. Albies only cost them $350K ifa cash. Sweet signings as kids, even better contract extensions.as ML’ers. Braves are about value.
YourDreamGM
@Nashville You guys lost some picks for a stretch as well.
I got a few 2nd round picks that the pathetic Pirates have on their team that you may have possibly heard of. Mitch Keller, Jared Jones, and Bryan Reynolds.
Joemo
Ah yes, let’s not sign the guy who has proven he can be an ace or star player because they have to give up a chance at a lottery ticket. That makes a whole lot of sense.
The Braves also did a very good job at extending their star players early. But Acuna’s contract is showing you why it’s also risky. Sure it still looks good now, but he needs to figure out how to stay healthy.
NashvilleJeff
@Dream: Good ones.
YourDreamGM
@Joe You can sign them but ot hurts. What Arizona did was a contract you do. NY did well. But you are talking about beating those contracts. Burnes really wanted to be in Arizona. They have really low state tax. You’re talking 20 30 million more minimum.
Acuna would be a free agent right now and if not hurt getting how much? Already a win. Spend 100m now and bet the odds vs 500 600 700 800 in free agency.
Ra
It’s fine to lose your draft pick by signing Burnes but it’s strategically foolish to lose the picks by signing Severino or Pivetta.
Joemo
I would 100% have been completely ok with Burnes at like 6/240 because you get out of the deal quicker. Now if you stretch that deal out to like 8/300+, now it looks really bad because of the extra two years.
And there’s been plenty of players who had great starts to their careers only to have them cut short because they can’t stay healthy. Grady Sizemore is one example.
OaklandA'sFan!
Say what you want, but I think 15 is way too much for a 41 year old.
Joemo
Yeah, but pitching is expensive and Morton has a history of being able to give you 30 starts a year with decent results.
It’s not a high upside addition, but a safe one.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@oak
Age is somewhat irrelevant on a one year deal. The team has a small budget to blow, and Moron was a solid, if not spectacular pitcher last year. They’ll hope he has one more year left in him, and if they aren’t in contention, then they can trade him for an asset by the trade deadline.
stymeedone
He got $20MM as a 40 yr old.
tuck 2
$500,000 per start – I guess is one way to look at it…
YourDreamGM
A+
YourDreamGM
It’s 1 year. Well under 20m. If he can still do it you get a #4. Good value. If he’s finished it’s 1 year. If his stuff declines I would try going back to ground chuck. So maybe he isn’t finished if he is finished.
Alarming Atlanta didn’t want him. Maybe they got a better pitcher in mind. Hoffman?
RunDMC
Not necessarily that, but they need some room for AJSS, Waldrep, etc to grow into though they don’t want to commit 15M to a SP5 would be in most seasons, just like they didn’t want to do 8M for a backup C (d’Arnaud). There are still some other bands out there for IP to not give him that 1/15M. Also, Holmes is underrated and wouldn’t doubt him being a weapon out of the pen and sporadic GS.
YourDreamGM
I would guess they add someone but I have no idea. You need 8 or 9 guys and maybe they have it it. I don’t watch enough to know. If they got them already then sure they are ready to go.
YourDreamGM
Mandela effect? Timeline change? I can’t read? Mlbtr mistake? I seen 13m and it’s 15. Still fine signing but no longer A+. They physiological difference between 13 and 15 really hit me.
Ra
I never saw 13.
YourDreamGM
Depends or should I say depend on when you seen it. When I clicked on article there was 1 comment. And I could have seen it wrong. But if it wasn’t misprint I lean towards Mandela.
Ra
When I saw it? Five minutes after it was announced.
Fred McGriff HR
@YourDreamGM
There’s a difference between “not wanted” and fitting other people in, sometimes there isn’t room.
YourDreamGM
Their rotation may be so good they don’t need him. We’ll see. I prefer too much pitching if that’s such a thing so I don’t need to make expensive trades at deadline.
DroppedThirdStrike
Maybe they decided that the future is now and wished him well.
Goku the Knowledgable One
He’s 41
Love to see it
choof
Make sure to ask Roger Beshens about him saving the career of Charlie Morton. If you ask him all 15 mil should go to him. I’d have to agree, the football slider is a thing of legend
poopdollar
You’ve also heard the Good News of our Lord, Roger of Beshens? Have you heard the tale of how he taught 10 fish and 50 loaves of bread the football slider, and how all those fish and loaves became CY winners?
YourDreamGM
I actually watched the videos of him teaching it to mlb players coaches and even managers. Thought it would be a waste of time. Boy was I wrong. It was truly something.
Reynaldo's
has the Roger Beshens guy waken up from his afternoon nap yet?
poopdollar
@reynaldo. After he rose from the dead, all Beshenites take an afternoon nap.
Gwynning
Ahhhh shiiii… not you too!
rct
I am eagerly awaiting new innovations from the Roger Beshens Baseball Laboratory. The Roger Beshens Basketball Slider, the Roger Beshens Curling Slider, etc.
Gwynning
Consider me unimpressed… until I see the Atlatl slider.
YankeesBleacherCreature
I’ve got a mean electric slide!
poopdollar
@rct Quiet! Roger hasn’t revealed himself yet and to even begin to predict his next slider is akin to heresy.
All will be shown in time.
Praise him.
rct
I apologize for my ignorance! I’ll light a candle and say 20 Hail Rogers as penance.
choof
We eagerly await for our savior Roger Beshens to awake. We will sit like children at his feet as he regales us with tales of the legendary football slider and weaves stories of nobodies turned Hall of famers. He then tells us, “You too, can be like them. All you must do is learn”
We cry tears of joy that we bask in his presence and knowledge
poopdollar
@choof. I haven’t cried this hard since Obama cured my cancer. I heard Beshens is 6’8” and weighs 1 ton just like George Washington
choof
I heard he can jump 12 feet high and run 30 miles per hour. Plus he can throw a football slider 150mph
poopdollar
You only need like 6 non-relatives and $500 to formally start a church.
Who’s with me? I know I got you Choof. Weekly service is pickup beer league and baptisms are football slider-ing infants into a baby pool.
choof
I’ve never been more excited in my life. Worship will consist of take me out to the ballgame before and after service. Mr. Beshens will preach about the Almighty football slider that can save all
poopdollar
The real Roger Beshens were the friends we made on the way.
choof
It’s the football slider on the inside that counts
Baseball_dude
Lmao.. that’s all I have to say about that move for the Orioles $15 Million.. when I was reading it, I was expecting like a $5 million no risk signing. This is why after 35 years of watching these freaks I had to stop last year. “All we need is pitching” since the last 40 years.. 40 years later they still don’t know what pitching is
sorengo99
If you think the Orioles haven’t had excellent pitching in 40 years, you certainly have not been watching them for 35 years, LOFL.
Baseball_dude
lol besides Burnes for one year, Our last true Ace was Mike Mussina.. and that was 20 years ago. Unfortunately I did watch them, I don’t think you did tho
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Erik Bedard had a nice season and then you trade him to the Mariners where he he melts down. That was when the Mariners couldn’t develop squat for pitching and Bedard was going to be our knight in shining armour.
Ra
Bedard was better for Seattle than we remember him to be. But he missed a lot of starts.
tuck 2
Good year to stop – right after 101 and 92 win seasons. We’ll done
Baseball_dude
It doesn’t matter how many they win if they lose every playoff game. You think too simple with the Orioles. After 35years I’m done with their excuses
Ra
It 100% matters how many they win. That’s the only way of getting to the playoffs. But it’s cool with us if you have stopped watching; nobody cares.
sorengo99
Guess you didn’t watch the ALCS or division series games. We won’t miss you!
Mike the Fat Oriole Bird
This is an amazing deal for Morton. Both Boog’s BBQ and Pickles Pub offer AARP discounts.
Orioles Legend Andy Van Slyke
Not to mention Johns Hopkins has a top-notch Gerontology department.
camdenyards46
Camden Yards Retirement Home
Orioles Legend Andy Van Slyke
I like the pickup, he’s been a league-average or better starter each of the past 4 seasons and has pitched at least 160 innings each of those seasons. The money is a little more than we should have spent on him but not that much and it’s only for one season. This is a very solid depth signing for a position that is plagued with injuries. We’re still 6 weeks away from pitchers and catchers reporting but every bama in the comments seems to think this will be the last move the Orioles make this off-season even though Elias made a huge trade last February.
Big whiffa
I think they are fine. O’s have 7/8 potential starters throughout the year. That will suffice ! Quantity of quality and then make a deal in season for an ace if no one on staff rises to occasion
dpsmith22
The price for an ace will be crazy for one and for 2, Elias already stated no rentals at the break.
Big whiffa
He’s banking on Grayson living up to his hype then. Not a bad bet ! This could be his breakout cy young contention year
Plus love that foreign guy O’s grabbed !
Ra
Can you provide reference for Elias saying “no rentals at the break?” Was that this offseason or previously?
fred-3
Lighting money on fire
stymeedone
Morton is basically getting the same money as Boyd or Cobb. Its just the going rate this year. Two years ago, Heaney set the rate at 9MM with his signing, and last year was Gibson and Lynn at 12MM.
C Yards Jeff
Os FO sees Sugano, Morton and Eflin as placeholders.
Rodriguez, Bradish and Wells are their long term TOR type arms with Rodriguez possibly maturing in to a 1 as early as this season. And before injury Bradish was already a 2 and still developing.
Os are gonna be breaking ST camp with a better rotation than they had in 2023. Stay healthy fellas. And with Bradish and Wells on the mend …
back sometime mid season?
Ragnarok
Wells will be in the pen or possibly DFA’d at some point this year
Ragnarok
The wall moving in is really going to hurt Wells too. That guy gives up way too many HRS.
I definitely don’t think he’s turning into a TOR type. Might be an effective reliever but we’ll see after the surgery.
Thornton Mellon
Jeff
I’m sorry, but
1. Rodriguez has yet to prove that he can put together a sustained stretch of excellence. He has not cleared The Ballard Hurdle. Plus he’s coming off a significant injury. He’s a 3 at the moment, a 2 upside.
2. Bradish is coming off a major injury. He was closer to a 2. We’re not seeing him until July at the earliest (unclear if the rehab was to start in July or if the rehab would start and he might be back in MLB in July)
3. Wells has a Ken Dixon-esque propensity in giving up dingers. The 2023 WHIP despite how hard balls get hit against him was one of the biggest statistical anomalies in baseball, like Kyle Gibson winning 15 games. Not a MLB caliber starter. And how much upside can he have? He’s almost 30…the Orioles will be looking at him again in 2036.
dpsmith22
Braddish is a low #1. we will see after the injury how he returns.
Ra
Wells isn’t a future TOR nor was he ever viewed as such. He used to project as a MOR or a BOR. After two TJs he might be a long reliever at best.
Ra
Also, idiot Thornton has no effing clue trying to compare Grayson to Jeff Ballard. Ballard had one good MLB season, was not drafted high, was never a top prospect and had modest success in the minors. Ballard racked up some Ws in the Orioles “Why Not?” 1989 season but could not strike out batters and got hit hard consistently. The two pitchers couldn’t be much more different. What a moron!
C Yards Jeff
Guys. You got me rethinking about Wells. That said, I stand firm with Rodriguez and Bradish as high end arms and for multiple yrs to come as Orioles.
showmebb
15 mil per is the going rate for a back end starter these days. Crazy.
Bnickles127
Grats! Morton and Japanese pitcher for same price as Burnes
Susannah
$210 million?
Samuel
Bnickles127;
Tomoyuki Sugano will receive $13million.
Charlie Morton will receive $15million.
Corbin Burns will receive $210 million.
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I assume you have a graduate degree from an American college and are hoping for a career in the Federal government, the American media, or both.
Many of the posters here have 6-7 year-old grandchildren that don’t understand your posts. However, with another 10-14 years of American education I’m sure in time they will.
HumbleO'sFanWhoHatesYourFace
If you say American one more time you will get the high score. It’s there for you if you want it
rct
@Samuel: you’re being awfully snarky for someone who doesn’t understand that they clearly meant for 2025.
Sugano $13 million plus Morton $15 million = $28 million
Burnes (not “Burns”) = $32 million AAV
So, two pitchers for the price of one in 2025. Won’t be as effective but their point stands.
Susannah
Still not the same price considering guaranteed contract status. Also, there was no indication that Burnes wanted to sign with the Orioles.
Ra
There was at least the slight possibility of signing with Baltimore, because of relationships built and winning years coming for the length of the contract. But there was no other city in the northeast that had a legit shot. He wanted to live with his family
NashvilleJeff
@rct: Samuel probably just added you to his famous “Over 100 MLB Posters Muted List.” Congratulations on joining the club! Be careful. Next thing you know, blackpink/BITA will do the same.
Ra
… and Thornton
Ra
I agree with you, basically. But we both understand that we can’t view those salaries in a vacuum. The Burnes’ commitment is for 6 of those ~$35MM AAV. The Orioles probably won’t be paying either of those two SPs in 2026. Nor Eflin. PS Even Samuel understands, which makes his comment that much snarkier. And intellectually dishonest. And then he tries to get political while insulting others’ intelligence, making himself look even worse.
THEY LIVE!!!
YAY!!!!!
UpintheAir
Good grief. What a shock!
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I await Morton’s introductory press conference where he tells the media he was leaning toward retirement to spend more time with his family but that something completely unrelated to the money drew him back to the game.
The_Porcupine
If it was one of morton or sugano, id be ok. But both? Horrible. This is not how you upgrade your rotation. Ive been quietly trust elias but this is a great disappointment.
cooperhill
Hey Mike, this is not an ace! “D’OH”
Ra
Nor was he signed to be. He was signed because he hasn’t missed a start in 8 years. Durability is appealing,
Ragnarok
Morton still has a great curveball but I don’t know about this. If I was gambling on a 40 year old my choice was Max.
rocky7
So if his junk is now his trademark, he’s in big trouble when that pitch gets barreled up consistently in the Al East lineups…..
Ragnarok
Good news is that he does get to play against washed up lemahieu & goldy!
YaGottaBelieveAgain
Max wants more $.
Is he worth $21M? – He is probably asking for more
Ra
The difference being that Max’s injuries make some worry he is breaking down. Morton’s durability has been epic. He hasn’t missed a turn in the rotation since 2017!
Smith 3
Now they need to commit to adding to the bullpen. Any of Yates, Hoffman, and Scott all make sense.
tuck 2
Except 2 of them aren’t actually starters but thanks for your valuable input
Ra
You don’t add “starters” to the “bullpen,” generally speaking.
screamer2244
Is there any news on Verlander?
rocky7
Exactly aside from Kate Upton who cares?….the guy is DONE!
oldgfan
Don’t know how he gets away with that scruffy beard look. Gotta produce a pretty gnarly motor boat rash.
screamer2244
I don’t think he’s done. Be interesting to see how his 2025 stacks up against the rest of the 40+ starter group.
energel
Love this guy, cool he gets to get at least another year on a good team… but still orioles wtf are you doing?
gorav114
This is brutal. Have spent close to 100 million on junk. Its like dumpster diving at Nordstroms
Dumpster Divin Theo
Great analogy. Or maybe the Os are trafficking the clearance aisle at Target or Kohls Better off going large like your supposed rivals Yankees, Red Sox. Mid market grabs are really the worst. Go big or go the other extreme like the White Sox (Goodwill).
Ra
Sandoval and Buehler mean “going large?” I can’t see that. Is Crochet for real or made of glass?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Real. Looking like 3rd place or bust
Ra
We’ll see, won’t we. Not like his track record screams continuing health for the future.
longines64
A good 1 year fit.
bravesfan
I don’t get this move for the O’s. They are just building a rotation full of 4th and 5th of the rotation type pitchers, and although there is value in having those guys and having depth, you have to have that dog/ace in there that you can really lean on. Corbin was that guy but after that, everyone else is a question mark in my opinion, with some guys having a little upside.
On top of that, this is a clear overpay. Braves kept paying 20 mil for his services and last year he finally showed he wasn’t remotely worth that contract. He’s still a capable 5th but 15 mil is too much for his age, recent perform, and risk lvl due to age.
Orioles Legend Andy Van Slyke
Just because they make a depth move today doesn’t mean they aren’t working on a bigger move. Every crybaby O’s fan was wetting their pants last January saying much the same things they are saying here in this thread and complaining the team would never make a move for an ace, then February came around and Elias brought in Burnes. We’re still a month and a half away from pitchers and catchers reporting. Not to mention how last off-season we didn’t bother with depth moves for the starting rotation and that killed us once the young guys kept landing on the IL..
As for the price, maybe it was a slight overpay but Alex Cobb is a lot more injury-prone and signed for the same amount of money. They have a nearly identical ERA+ number over the past four seasons but Morton has thrown twice as many innings despite Cobb being 4 years younger. Cobb is a little more consistent but $15M is what a veteran backend SP goes for nowadays.
bravesfan
The O’s are having a really rough offseason in my opinion, have cash to spend, prospects to trade, and a window to capitalize on and aren’t doing so. They could easily do better than Morton simply closing their eyes and pointing their finger at the farm and offering that person for a trade to any organization.
FanGraphs values Morton’s performance last season around $8 million. Factor in age and regression I’d value him at $6-7 million, then the overpay of a 1 year deal I’d say 8-10 mil is appropriate for a 1 year deal for his services. Is this truly a bad deal, absolutely not. It’s a perfectly fine, acceptable deal. It won’t hurt them and they are better today than they other would be for it and there is no bad 1 year contract. I just don’t see a deal on the market currently that will be an impact move unless they trade, which they have shown they won’t do. There isn’t a FA left that is truly an impact pitcher. And JF isn’t the guy
Orioles Legend Andy Van Slyke
“I just don’t see a deal on the market currently that will be an impact move unless they trade, which they have shown they won’t do.”
I don’t know how you came to that conclusion when they traded for Burnes last off-season and Eflin at the deadline.
Ragnarok
Corbin Burnes and Zach Eflin were literally acquired via trade.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Morton had made just under $45.1M over 11 seasons and 17 overall years (or 11 major league seasons) as a professional baseball player when he first started to talk about how he was retiring- and he has made or will have made at least $110.556M over 7 seasons (or about $120M if the 2020 season hadn’t been pro-rated) since he insisted he’s on the cusp of retiring or would rather retire.
I don’t hate him or anything like that, I just find it a fascinating approach.
Look- a lot of entertainers announce their retirement when they really mean they’re taking the summer off or a year off from releasing content, I just find it funny that a baseball player takes the same approach.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Ozzy’s first farewell tour was in 1991.
Maybe Charlie’s wife fills him full of pills and spends all his money so he has to keep pitching.
Who knows.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
In all honesty I think some of these guys have a relatively low financial goal when they first get into whatever insanely lucrative business they’re in, the seasonal/touring schedule is truly exhausting and they likely look at what they’ve earned vs what they’ve spent and what their annual cost of living is and can’t imagine needing more money and they honestly do want a break that is longer then their typical gap between seasons or between tours or between film projects or whatever the case may be- and by threatening to quit it really does convince people to throw a little extra money at them and once their downtime sets in and they realize the massive difference between “I wish I could get a few extra weeks of downtime than I usually get” and “I am no longer working, I have rescheduled my self imposed pinnacle and by doing so I set my bar surprisingly low, given the career I would’ve walking away from.” They change their minds and then every time they complete a work cycle (a tour, a season, a bunch of films, whatever) they get feel so exhausted they once again you with the idea of all that extra downtime retirement could bring them and they declare themselves retired… only to “conscious of retirement” sane tons next year and repeat the cycle can extra 5,10,15 years or more beyond that original “final year of working”.
I know tons of very successful people who “retired” around 50 or 60 only to get bored quickly and start consulting or joining all kinds of boards or investing in a start up just to give themselves something to do without it being a requisite 40+ hour a week commitment they found potentially be fired from.
I truly do not know anybody who has fully retired with zero work type efforts despite “retiring” years ago.
I guess it’s the same with baseball- and just like how a guy like Morton is making more money than ever to keep coming back, these aforementioned retirees I know tend to get paid a quarter or a year’s worth of their old salaries for only a few days or weeks of consulting while being technically retired.
It’s just a thing in our society I guess. We live to work and exercise it didn’t hurt to keep making very good money, if the opportunity is there to do so, even if we emotionally want to be done with our working careers.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
*sorry for the typos but you get what I mean…
JackStrawb
@TrillionaireTeamOperator The rare “wall of text” I got through anyway. Good comment.
rocky7
Welcome to the AL East where pitchers on the down side of their careers, go to die…….the entire Al East are offensive beasts….no relief up and down these lineups……
tuck 2
no relief in Yankees, Rays or Jays lineups – ok – whatever you say
Ra
LOL! Yankers don’t have anyone you can’t pitch to except Judge. I guess Caminero is for real but the rest of the lineup is mid. Besides Vlad and Bo, the Jays lineup looks pretty bad.
Motor City Beach Bum
Guess thst means Flaherty is re-signing with the Tigers to slot in as the #2 pitcher!
spirit of truth
It’s like they’re purposely trying to go in reverse. After last year’s trade deadline where they traded to become a worse team I knew the “window” was closed. They’ve shown multiple times that they’re not serious about contending. They’re nothing more than a passive source of income for whatever ownership group is running things. These moves are a disgrace.
Aiden Awe
Window is not closed anytime soon. Rubenstein is not a cheapskate.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Window may not be closed yet fo sho. But the shades are being drawn, lights are turning up and the stools are getting flipped on the tables. Time to decide who you’re taking home
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Unfortunately I never find out who I went home with until the next morning, and that can get awkward.
Ra
They really are not. Do you not know the Orioles roster or are you trolling?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Do you not know the difference between what it takes to amass 101 *(checks notes), er 91 regular season wins against the rump of middle America, versus what it may take to excel in a short series against elite competition? Unless you’re ginned up about adding another adult medium orange and black “MLB postseason” tshirsey to your closet, the design suspiciously mass produced for 11 other cities with different colors. Nothing screams “I’m unique” at the Lutherworld Church picnic more then sporting that 2003 Minnesota Twin AL central hoodie over my Sunday finery. But, hey, you do you.
Ra
The 100 win 2023 Dodgers were swept out. Then guess what happened.
I have a strong feeling you are projecting with the medium t-shirt comment. Your online personality is that of a tween. Ain’t no way in the world you ever played competitive baseball at the college level or semi-pro level like some of us. Your ignorance of the game comes through.
gorav114
They spent close to 100 million. The crap they’ve spent it on makes me think the owner is pushing to spend but Elias is forced to take leftovers
Ra
Orioles improved at the deadline. Eflin’s acquisitiion was brilliant and important. Good job getting Dominguez and Soto last year too.
Also, it’s pure idiocy to think Rubenstein needs a “passive source of income” from the Orioles. He’s a huge fan – native Baltimorean, lifelong Oriole fan – staking a vanity project. He’s willing to pay to win a WS. He has so many other sources of income, he and his ownership group only need the long-term increase in franchise value to make the money work.
BigRedMachine
I don’t think that this puts the O’s over the top, I would say that the team is not a strong as last year as it sits right now after losing a #1 Starter in Corbin Burnes. Don’t know if each side even tried but the O’s and the Mariners seem like such a great match. Mountcastle (O’s also have O’Hearn) and a 2b or 3b for Luis Castillo? I understand that it’s not going to be Mountcastle and Westburg but the O’s have a lot of infielders-Urias, Mayo,Mateo…Castillo is not Burnes but he is close in durability, make-up, consistency and overall stuff. Castillo at $22.75 million and Morton $15 million, albeit Castillo has 2-3 years remaining on his contract. Still three years from now will be much younger than Morton is right now.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Over the top! This is the year they break thru to win one playoff game. You can do it O!
YaGottaBelieveAgain
I don’t think BAL is necessarily done bolstering their starters. They may want to assess things in ST and then they can still make a trade for someone good
Cease, Castillo, Montgomery or other AZ SP, S. Gray, J. Gray, Fedde, P. Lopez, One of SEA SPs besides Castillo
Like every team they could improve their Bullpen
gorav114
Losing Bradish, Wells, Means, and Bautista was a huge blow. Hoping Bautista is back and Bradish will come back in 2nd half
Ra
Bradish is more like late August at earliest.
Ra
Last year at this time, they didn’t have Burnes.
Seattle would probably prefer to keep Castillo over trading for Mountcastle, whom they’d control for only 2 years and would be paying about $20MM for those two ARB years. Nor would they find Urias or Mateo worthwhile. And Mayo’s value is so much higher than Castillo’s that there is no possibility of a trade including him. I’d really like for the Orioles to trade for Castillo but it would be more appealing to me to trade Cowser for Castillo plus a little salty relief. Cowser’s value will never be higher than now.
JackStrawb
“Salty relief”?
Hm…
HumbleO'sFanWhoHatesYourFace
There aren’t many players I would trade Cowser for. Castillo is not one of them
Ragnarok
@Ra
I also don’t believe Cowser will ever be better than the version we saw last year but even at that he’s pretty valuable long term. Mullins will walk and we have no idea if Bradfield or Beavers will hack it in the majors. CF would be a black hole v lefties because Mullins can not be in the lineup against one.
Has to be more than Castillo to give up a guy like Cowser.
sultan of swat
Hopefully this leads to a trade for Castillo including Kremer.
Dumpster Divin Theo
No coffee,no Kremer
JackStrawb
The first half doesn’t work.
DanielDannyDano
Isn’t this what you are supposed to do? Build an outstanding young core, and surround them with solid veterans? Save your top prospects for the trade deadline? I don’t see how this is any kind of problem. If Morton sucks, the O’s cut him loose, no loss of prospect, international bonus .loss, no draft pick compensation loss. All upside. All killer, no filler!
Dumpster Divin Theo
You must take your date to Arby’s for your anniversary. Not that there’s anything wrong with dat.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Nah Costco for that hot dog/soda combo for $1.50. Best deal in town
Dumpster Divin Theo
Except Ace Ventura here didn’t spring for the membership. So makes his partner dash in thru the exit through the labyrinth of rush hour shopping carts hoping the homeroom marm is preoccupied checking off receipts
Ra
Are you drunk or just stupid?
Also, who celebrates an anniversary with a “date?”
Dumpster Divin Theo
Noted. Drunk fat stupid. Faber college. Good times. Wonder what Otter is up to.
DanielDannyDano
Are you kidding! I don’t have Arby’s money! McValue menu for us.
Dumpster Divin Theo
All killer, no filler. Outstanding! Like the Buzzcocks set. 23 songs, 49 minutes. No breaks or encores. The one I missed in its entirety by oversleeping and getting to the club an hour late even though my room was on the 4th floor in the same building. True story. No opening act and the lights came on as I scurried in. But I digress
Dumpster Divin Theo
[You merit your third Fonzie thumb up for using ‘All Killer, No Filler!’ in a sentence]
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
And I thought I was bad for oversleeping my 2:30pm Statistics 101 midterm in college. But it takes a true punk rocker to oversleep and miss an ultimate punk rock concert. I don’t think anybody can beat that. (I mean the punk rockers themselves even managed to show up to their own concert.) Truly astonishing and ultimately badass behavior bro!
O'sSayCanYouSee
Okay, like it! Charlie Morton welcome to Charm City!
Vergil9000
Are they out on Dylan Cease now?
Ra
Unsure. They could package Kremer now with a prospect like Fabian or Beavers for Cease. That might appeal to SD.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
I don’t know IF I was a BAL fan I would be cautiously optimistic.
I WOULD have concerns that his gas gauge is down to a 1/4 full.
The $ is kind of the going rate. There are other SPs I might prefer but …
a lot of competition for players and so many want 3 plus years so
I hope his stats are something like 14-8 3.85 ERA with 140 IP WHIP 1.25
Beat NYY Beat NYY Win the Division.
I hope Sugano works out well also.
GO Orange and Black Birds.
Time for the Baby Birds to leave the nest and SOAR also! Viva! Viva!
YaGottaBelieveAgain
BAL has GOT to strengthen their bullpen to compete with NYY and BOS in that division
Ra
A lot depends on how strongly Bautista returns. It’s a good pen if he’s pretty good. It’s a great pen if he returns to what he was.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Fly Eagles Fly! Oop wrong city
Thornton Mellon
In the AL east…if he stays upright…. 4.5 ERA WHIP 1.3 or so, 150 IP over 30 starts if they leave him in?
Ra
Re, the gas gauge. His k/9 last year was 9.1. That qualifies as “great according to Fangraphs, or an A-/B+ grade. My guess is closer to 11-7, 4.00 ERA, 160 IPs, 1.30 WHIP. Either one of those results would prove serviceable
thickiedon
New O’s owners really fooling their fans
Ra
Idiotic take. Do some research before making a fool of yourself by exposing your ignorance.
BITA
Yuck
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
One word review from Joel. I don’t think he’s impressed lol.
BITA
Just not what the Orioles needed. Hopefully your Mariners do something soon. Rojas was a decent player.
letitbelowenstein
My guess is that Charlie will do “okay” for a few months, then start to deteriorate. Does this mean the Flaherty talks are off?
C Yards Jeff
Yep, I see him fading too. Hopefully timing of it overlaps with Bradish return.
Ra
Probably Flaherty is no longer in consideration. I read they wanted a 5-year contract! I would never commit 5 years to Flaherty. Three is the very most I could conceive of.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Poor man’s Bartolo. In some circles he goes as Hobo sexy
YaGottaBelieveAgain
Rich Man’s Rich Hill?
davemlaw
Sorry, but how does Cobb get the same money as Morton?
I like Cobb a lot but he’s coming off an injury laced season and Morton will give you 170 IP in his sleep at an acceptable ERA. Also, Braves could have ponied up $15M for Morton.
Ragnarok
Morton’s age and geographical desires played into this. He wasn’t going to go west. Lives close to the O’s ST site.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Cobb may have the higher ceiling if he stays healthy? That’s my only guess.
Letsgolos
Only way this makes sense is if Kremer and his 3yrs remaining get packaged with Mountcastle for a solid SP or Mayo for a front-end SP.
If not, I just don’t see the point.
sultan of swat
I’m praying you’re right regarding Mountcastle and Kremer (maybe something else). No on Mayo.
Rsox
Kremer, Mountcastle, and perhaps Beavers to the Padres for Cease?
Letsgolos
Not sure what the padres would want with Mountcastle.
Rsox
They need a First Baseman or a DH depending on Arraez
Letsgolos
I guess that’s true. But the only reason the Padres would want to move Cease is because of freeing up cash and he’s only set to make about $13MM. Mountcastle will make about $6MM. I feel like if they move Cease, it would be for all prospects.
Ragnarok
Cease will fetch more than that.
Ra
Might just take Kremer and Beavers or Fabian plus a competitive balance pick if the Padres want to dump salary.
Ragnarok
Cease is worth well more than his salary so that’s pretty irrelevant.
It’ll take what it did to get Burnes. That’s the going price and Free agent starters got a lot more this year than last.
Thornton Mellon
Sigh.
Orioles walk into the casino and sit at the 50 cent blackjack tables.
This signing does not move the needle. Another body for the back end does not make the rotation better. You can only improve it from the top. Instead of spending 35 million next year for one of those they would rather spend 28 million on two question marks you’re not even sure can spend the year on the back end!
I’m 50, and I can still run it up there well above 60 mph. They can have me for 6 or 7 million.
This is maybe slightly higher “back end innings eater” signing than Kyle Gibson was 3 years ago when the team was supposedly not ready to win yet. Guess what? They still aren’t!
scruffmcgruff
So I don’t hate the low risk/gamble pitching signings of Sugano and Morton but they certainly don’t look that good when they’re replacing one of the best pitchers in baseball last year. These are the depth types of moves you make after finding an acceptable replacement for that ace level type of production. If this is all they’re going to do, Grayson and Eflin are going to literally have to lights out from the start. You can’t feasibly rely on guys coming back from injuries (Wells/Bradish) and you dont know exactly what you have from Povich/McDermott yet.
Ra
Right, they are not replacing Burnes with them. Eflin and GrOD Almighty become the TORs, Kremer, Sugano and Morton have all shown excellent durability. Their value should be providing consistent bridges to the bullpen.
Ragnarok
I want to see McDermott in the pen this year. He’s 26 and can handle that role. There’s plenty of depth for the rotation as it stands.
Devlsh
Better than nothing but less than Baltimore deserves.
Thus far, the front office has shown it can draft/develop some excellent prospects, but hasn’t shown a great knack for putting the finishing touches on a potentially great team.
Ra
They have only been allowed to spend for 10 months now. The former owner, John Angelos, insisted on extracting every penny of revenue from the franchise since it was his sole source of income.
dasit
i know this isn’t how it works, but as a fan i believe the job of a gm is to do everything they can to convince the owner to spend as much money as possible. this goes for elias, cashman, stearns etc. overpay for burnes if that’s what it takes. they’re in danger of missing the halley’s comet of baseball: an oriole championship window
Ra
You don’t have a knowledge of baseball history, obviously.
Camden453
Morton for 15 is a bargain in this market. You might get high end Morton and get a 130 ERA+. Almost a guarantee to be at least league average starter
Most of the starts will be high end 6/7 IP 3 ER or less. He gets lit up worse when he doesn’t have it because he’s older, but watching him last year he still has plenty in the tank to dominate like a #2 most of the time
The probability that he loses it completely and tanks the season is extremely low based on his starts from late last season
Very very good and smart signing by Baltimore
NashvilleJeff
@Camden: Well said. As a Braves fan, I’m glad to see an O’s fan that gets what Morton brings to you guys. Strong intangibles too. Braves kid pitchers going to miss his influence.
Dodger Dog
O’s should sign Rich Hill next
AL B DAMNED
The Atlanta Braves AA Balked on Morton’s demands for $15M and has reportedly been in talks with the Dodgers Peanut and Popcorn vendors just to make a splash in the 2025 free agent and trade market and to avoid questions from Braves fans hearing NOTHING BUT CRICKETS!
GriffeyJrFan
The track record for 41 year old starters is amazing, no wait…………….
Bartolo Colon is out there
Fred McGriff HR
@GriffeyJrFan
There are plenty that pitched well at over 41 years of age
Nolan Ryan
Randy Johnson
Phil Niekro
Rich Hill
Greg Maddux, to name but a few, and imagine criticizing Colon who played till he was 45. How many major league diamonds did you make it on to, maybe a baseball diamond at the local park where you pretended or attempted to hit a ball off a tee.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Jaime Moyer ! Charlie Hough !
Doral Silverthorn
ThE sYsTeM iz BRokeN!
GriffeyJrFan
This isn’t a good signing and his numbers this year won’t come close to matching last years. Father Time is undefeated
Fred McGriff HR
@GriffeyJrFan
Can you share next week’s lotto numbers since you have a crystal ball to see into the future.
Ra
The probability is his numbers will be VERY SIMILAR to last year’s. He has been extremely durable. I’m sure you are ignorant of the fact that he has been so healthy he hasn’t missed a start since 2017.
NashvilleJeff
@Ra: You appear to be ignorant of the fact that Morton was placed on the 15 day IL on 9/23/24 due to right index finger inflammation that forced him out of a start vs the Nats on the 23rd. He missed the rest of the season and the NLDS due to the injury. While Morton has been quite durable over the last several seasons, it’s not true that “he has been so healthy he hasn’t missed a start since 2017.”
King Floch
It’s not super exciting but I’m fine with it. I guess.
Burnes was clearly Plan A, but that didn’t work out, and Flaherty probably wanted more guaranteed years than he deserves right now, so sign a pair of 1 year deals with competent veterans who should be able to cover innings at an acceptable level and keep the payroll flexible for the trade deadline and next offseason.
BITA
Lol. The ole “I’m fine with it I guess”. Quite a ringing endorsement.
Well they spend money. Some. On a 40 year old.
King Floch
We’ve got a solid 1-5 with Sugano and Morton joining Eflin, Grayrod, and Kremer, and there’s good depth behind it with Suarez, Povich, Rogers, McDermott, and Young, plus Bradish and/or Wells returning in the second half.
It’s not super sexy but it’s plenty good enough when paired with one of the best offenses in the sport like the Orioles have, so I’m fine with it to at least get us to the trade deadline.
BITA
Is that what wins championships? A solid 5?
Hey at least they got those extra draft picks……
King Floch
The Orioles were already one of the best teams in baseball prior to the Morton signing and the Morton signing only makes them better.
What exactly am I supposed to upset about here? At least in your estimation.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Orioles really need to make a trade now though for Castillo or Cease or Lopez etc. It would behoove them greatly to make that one last move. Icing on the cake.
Ra
The past two WS winners won championships with just “a solid 3.” So, yes, that is what (can) win championships.
Ra
The Morton signing positions them well to trade Kremer-plus for a better SP
BITA
I doubt that’s happening lol. The Morton signing positions them to be finished for the offseason
King Floch
ISOB- I don’t really see the need for it at this point. Adding another SP would require moving Kremer to the bullpen or trading him, and I don’t see that happening since he will be needed for 2026’s rotation.
BITA- I still expect an addition of at least some note to the bullpen, but even if that doesn’t happen, it was a pretty solid offseason overall, especially when compared to the John Angelos era of penny-pinching at all costs.
DroppedThirdStrike
They’ve got still got almost 7 MONTHS to make adjustments. As of today, only the Dodgers know their playoff roster, +/- Roki.
King Floch
This also gives Elias a chance to see what he can get with our 3 first round picks in the draft next year, which in turn may make guys like Beavers, Bradfield, and Honeycutt, maybe even Mayo or Basallo, expendable at the deadline if upgrades are still necessary.
Ragnarok
He better draft at least 1 pitcher with 3 top 35 draft picks. It’s time to put some sort of organizational investment there.
Can’t trade away pitching prospects and never draft any and expect sustainability. We’ll have to sign guys like Morton and Sugano forever with that philosophy.
We were able to grab Bradish, McDermott, and Povich in rebuild trades. Hard to acquire those guys when you’re not in rebuild mode if they aren’t coming from the draft.
He was fortunate to have been left Grod and Kremer from Duke. And to have DL Hall there as well.
King Floch
Elias has been adding some young pitching via the international market but I agree that it would be nice to see some draft capital expended on some high upside arms at some point.
bravos4life
He’ll be back in Atlanta at the trade deadline
Ra
I guess stranger things have happened but that would be very peculiar. I’m trying to conceive of a scenario where this occurs and am coming up empty.
D2323
Feel like they’re better off spending like 5 million extra for Scherzer or Verlander at least those guys bring gravitas and a hall of fame resume to your young team but what do I know?
Ra
Morton has taken his turn in the 5-man rotation every time since early 2017. Scherzer looks like he is breaking down. Verlander too. Morton’s greater value is in his health and durability
HalosHeavenJJ
The dude is consistent and durable. Hopefully for Baltimore that remains the case.
Ra
This can’t be stated often enough.
Thornton Mellon
Just thought of another guy the Orioles are overlooking!
Yeah, he’s lost 10+ games the last several seasons, and he had a 4.25 ERA his last season…he also hits a bunch of guys like Morton does. But he’s got experience and he was a top pitcher a few years before that. A national league guy. Also can fill in the outfield in a pinch with a career OBP higher than Mateo.
Orioles can probably get him cheap, too. Should be well rested. Definitely an innings eater.
Old Hoss Radbourn’s agent is sitting by the telegraph…
MacGromit
I thought the rumors of Cease for Mountcastle and Kramer were crap but Morton’s signing has wondering if that wouldn’t be a reasonable play.
More Mayo PAs as he can play more 1B and while I don’t dislike Kramer, he seemed to have a lower ceiling outside of a tremendous game in TX a couple years ago. the trade would allow them to kick the can down the street another year while awaiting Rodriguez to mature into a possible #1 and Bradish to heal up and regain his form later this year. And it allows the Birds to keep developing their young prospects. if they did that trade, the last piece would be a little bullpen help.
Ra
I think the competitive balance pick would have to be included to offset the Padres loss of the qualifying offer compensation pick for when Cease walks. I am unsure about whether Mountcastle would appeal to them. Might be they’d prefer to take the chance on 6 years of control of Beavers. Maybe Elias can trick them into taking O’Farrell.
prhood
I think it’s a very solid deal. While a #1 SP is great, the most important consideration is to make it to the playoffs. We’ve had ample evidence that a solid rotation backed by a strong bullpen can win in the playoff crap-shoot.
Rsox
O’s fans wanted a veteran arm, they don’t get more veteran than this…
jonathanh1020
Wow if he got 15 mil I won’t be surprised
if scherzer or Verlander got 30 mill . AS a braves fan am happy we didn’t pay 15 mil for another year for him.
outinleftfield
Who needs Burnes! We got a 35 year old out of Japan and a 41 year old. Now we are cooking with gas!
FOmeOLS
This is bad… Very bad…
rickyism
Proven durable above replacement pitching isn’t cheap. They need as much as they can get considering their depth. It’s certainly not “very bad”. Sure getting an ace would be neat, but these kinds of moves would be needed regardless.
FOmeOLS
You are wrong. It is very bad, because he takes a roster spot that could be used for someone younger and better.
I wanted the Os to sign Morton, but that was 10 years ago.
He’s 41. They gave him 15 million. that was stupid.
He was also a member of the cheat team.
rickyism
Let me know when you find them.
Ra
This is stupid, Very stupid.
FOmeOLS
It should go without saying(but apparently doesn’t) that just because you can’t buy someone good, that doesn’t mean you should overpay for someone bad.
It should be pretty easy to find a pitcher capable of equaling Morton’s ZIPS prediction of 1.4 WAR. And for a lot less than 15 million, too…plus you don’t get the ‘17 Astros taint.
So yeah. My point remains entirely valid.
See you in April.
Mr_KLC
Verlander is licking his chops now.
Fred McGriff HR
Good luck to Charlie Morton and the Baltimore Orioles, I hope he pitches superbly for them, just not against the Braves if they get to face him. He’s a good man, a good teammate, extremely knowledgeable, and a a very good pitcher. I have nothing but the utmost respect for Charlie Morton.
NashvilleJeff
Ditto Fred.
Skell 2
RA Dicky is available but he wanted $16.5 Million
Niekro floater
Nice pick-up for O’s. Can do alot worse than Morton filling out starting pitching staff. Now they need to pull-off Cease trade.
Yankeesforever
what does this say about the stasis of youth coming into baseball, when these fossils continue to find a payday.
Talent in is not matching talent out.
BrandonJ33
Rats. He is 10 days younger than me. I am a relic.
TheToasters
With all these soft tossers, them Orioles boys are going to break a record for double plays turned. I’m not sure how Heston grades in right, but there’s a going to be a really good defense behind these crafty vets.
Ra
Heston is better than the common view of him. He’s not fat and slow like some people make him out to be. His sprint speed is higher than Cowser’s, whom everyone thinks is a defensive wizard based on 2024 OAA. He has a strong, accurate arm. He needs some consistent reps in the OF to get his feet under him. Worst case is the value of his bat will far exceed his defensive metrics.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Well so much for retirement Charlie. Or is that just a way to get more money every off season. Hmmm…. Braves are doing terrible this free agency period.
Thornton Mellon
Rubenstein is just a figurehead. The real owner of the Orioles must be Rachel Phelphs.
More and more similarities every day. Next pitcher is coming from the California Penal League.
Mjls
Love this guy and I’m pretty sure most fans will as well. May not be the name everyone wanted but will no doubt help the team. Not complaining!
Mjls
I think there’s a lot of value in having the “old guy” around. May not be the ace but can certainly bring something that this team lacks imo.
Scott m
Tebu Dan D. strikes again.
Salzilla
Lots of negativity here, but I’ve always been a Morton fan. He’s lost a bit, but I mean for his age? He’s still a totally fine 4-5th starter. Is it what the O’s needed? No, but that rotation isn’t terrible overall and he solidifies it a bit.
bcjd
I compared Morton’s age 36-40 seasons with the same for Rich Hill, Jamie Moyer and Bartolo Colón. Morton has taken the mound more than Hill or Colon, but much less than Moyer. His ERA is 3.91, compared to 3.77 for Moyer, 3.41 for Colon, and 3.01 for Hill. His WAR is basically identical to Colon and Hill, because he pitched more innings but not quite as well.
Salaries for age 41:
Moyer $7m in 2004
Colon $9m in 2009
Hill $2.5m in 2021 (?) — BB-ref has incomplete salary info for Hill, so I’m not sure about this
I’d say $15m for Morton represents keeping pace with salary growth since 2004 and 2009. Seems pretty in line with what I’d expect, assuming Hill is an outlier.
jdgoat
Mike Elias special. Maybe they’ll try to win a World Series next year, every year
Holden Hiscoch
I guess the allure of spending more time with his family wasn’t that strong…
Lyman Bostock
He must have hated the Houston clubhouse. I remember him talking about retirement like 6 years ago. Good to see him still going. Why teams like the Mets couldn’t fork up 15mil for a quality starter I have no idea
Doron
It seems to me that the new owners of the Orioles are content to contend, and not try to capitalize on the immense amount of young talent that has graduated to the Big Leagues after thier epic tanking for several seasons.
Figure that they will be selling in 2-3 years once the young talent starts making real money in their 2nd and 3rd years of arbitration.
gorav114
You accidentally put the letter D in your screen name instead of an M
Doron
My name is in Hebrew.
It means Gift.
Jews are named with meaning.
What does your name stand for?
Other than being at the very least rude.
FOmeOLS
Stopping for a second on the way to my reply to say that’s a beautiful name.
Mitchell Page
LOL I did
Memorialstadium
$15M for a 41 year old 4th starter?!?
Enrico Pallazzo
He will always carry the cheating stink of the trashstros with him
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Sleeping Tigers.
whyhayzee
The Orioles toe the bill for Morton.
Multiple puns there.
Mitchell Page
I was hoping for Jim Palmer.
Bobby Mongan
For all of those who are either confused or upset at this move should think about this move logically. First off even though the Orioles made a great offer to keep Corbin Burnes he was never going to sign. He wanted to be closer to home thus he’s a Diamondback now. Other pitchers such as Flaherty and others want long term contracts offered. The Orioles do not want to invest in long term contracts with pitchers other than Corbin Burnes. They will have Bradish, Wells coming back maybe this year but most likely next year. They have young pitchers like Povich and McDermott on the rise. Signing someone like Charlie Morton is a smart move. It cost them a one year contract at 15 million and gave them a solid 4-5 starter who can eat up innings, is a pitcher not a thrower and is money in crucial games. And for those who think the Orioles have been cheap and frugal ? They are the 6th highest spending team in MLB this offseason so far.
Thornton Mellon
Bobby Morgan
I will apply logic to your post
“made a great offer for Burnes” – this offer is undisclosed. Even the supposed “franchise record” offer they made could be 7 years/162M which is nowhere close to competitive. If they indeed made something competitive, disclose and confirm exact terms. Then we know you’re trying. Until then, I’m guessing your offer was 20% low.
“other pitchers such as Flaherty and others want long term contracts…” of course they do! That’s how the entire rest of the league works! The Orioles continue to think they are smarter than everyone else not playing along and continue to have this deficiency.
“Bradish, Wells” – Bradish is an August return at earliest, he’s got 2 upside but coming off injury. Wells is not a viable MLB starter. He gets hit hard.
“Povich and McDermott” – need to see a lot more . Right now they’re in contention with many others for 4/5 slots.
“6th highest spending team in MLB offseason so far…” – have to look at what they’ve NOT done versus what they’ve done.
1. O’Neill is a cheaper, injury prone replacement instead of signing Santander
2. Sanchez is a one year replacement for McCann who wants a multi year deal (a probable wash in terms of impact)
3. Morton and Sugano are back end starters. Not even close to atone for the loss of Burnes. If they wanted Morton’s leadership so badly they could have paid him 150K and made him a pitching coach.
4. They’ve made 1 year commitments to guys like Soto and Dominguez. Same as every offseason.
Look through that lens, this team has taken steps backward. A lot of depth at the 4/5 spots just means you have enough bodies to take the mound every game. That’s improvement on Dave Trembley’s TBD every 5 games, but its not exactly competitive.
Other teams, notably the Yankees, took significant steps forward.
DroppedThirdStrike
Orioles are a young team that will improve year over year as they develop. They have lots of time to evaluate where they stand before the trade deadline and then adjust.
Morton is exactly the kind of steady hand that lets a young staff develop and gets them through the inevitable inconsistencies that will come. If there is no room on the roster for him come July, he can always be flipped to the Dodgers to cover an IL player and win a ring before he retires.
CarolinaCubsandKush
Well now I’m worried what Verlander and Scherzer’s 1 year deals look like. Decent pull from Morton after putting up a 4.20
DroppedThirdStrike
Morton’s value isn’t just in ERA. He’s also going to reliably take the ball every 5th day and give you approximately 170 innings. Verlander throwing that number of innings is beyond hopeful.
FOmeOLS
Charlie Morton projects for 1.4 WAR and is costing 15 million.
Reid Detmers projects for 1.7 WAR and is costing nothing.
And as much as he probably adores sunny Anaheim, I bet he’d be overjoyed to go to Baltimore, where there is a good team for the next few years.
Bobby smac9
THe O’s pocketed a lot of dough in 23 and 24. This is a business. No room for people in charge to follow their heart.