Ya’ll getting destroyed trying to bait Steve into saying something negative about deferrals. Quit crying about it and email your complaints to your team’s POBO.
Destroyed? Lol…knock it off, unfortunately this has raised some concerns even with sports writers. CHANGE NEEDED: NEWSWEEK’s Jon Paul Hoornstra noted The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal suggested on the latest episode of “Foul Territory” that there is a “loophole to be closed in the next round of CBA negotiations around how deferred-money deals are calculated toward the competitive balance tax.” Rosenthal said, “Shohei Ohtani’s contract, for example — $70 million for 10 years — that $70 million should count against the luxury tax, not the present-day value. That would prevent the Dodgers from playing games with this. It’s not that they’re doing anything illegal. It’s perfectly legal. But it would prevent them from skirting the luxury tax calculation in that fashion” (NEWSWEEK, 11/30). In N.Y., Mike Lupica wrote at some point, baseball is “going to have to come up with some new rules” and “stop the Dodgers from gaming the system this way” (N.Y. DAILY NEWS, 11/30).
If Rosenthal said that he’s clueless. How can it be a $700 million when $680 million of it is paid in years 11-20? It doesn’t make any economic sense. There is only ONE MLB player who you could structure a deal like Ohtani structured given his massive endorsement deals. Players have to agree to the deferrals. Something that gets lost in the deferral narrative. Tell me how much money Soto was willing to defer in his massive contract? Players at the end of the day determine what net present value they’ll get paid at and that’s what determines AAV.
He’s clueless? Hahaha, no matter how anyone feels about deferred contracts, it’s being talked about right now for the next round of negotiations. I personally couldn’t care less about any of this. I think anyone who’s getting mad about MLB and player’s salaries is laughable. Just keep being a fan of your team or don’t. Stop watching for all I care.
I find MLB to be entertaining as it is. Heck, my Orioles have had three consecutive winning seasons. Didnt see that coming in 2021. Its proof that spending gobs of money to win is not the only way to win. I’ll take it.
That said; it would be interesting to see how competition would fare if a hard payroll floor and ceiling cap was employed. IE. all teams would be roster building within a same pay parameter.
Steve, ONE Posey will not sign Alonso. He has CLEARLY stated they’re changing the K or Homer mentality. The Padres and Dbacks had great success last year with situational hitting, 2 strike adjustments, etc. The Alonso way is fading out (and Pete is fading as well) and TWO, Posey refused to sign Burnes to an opt out style contract. He wants players that want to play there awhile. I understand the posters begging for Alonso but I don’t understand why you agree with them.
claude, Yeah, I agree. From what I understand, the supposed interest in Alonso was just from some non-committal comment from Posey. Were they to sign Alonso to a short-term deal with opt-outs, and if his numbers are suppressed at Oracle, as I suspect they will be, does he opt-in since his value would drop? It has the potential for a disastrous, under-water deal for several years.
Wade/Flores should provide 75-80% of Alonso’s normal production for 33% of the cost, with no guarantee the Giants would get that normal production from him. Why risk getting potentially stuck with a big contract for an underperforming Alonso?
I wonder how much the deferral narrative would be different is LA had had the exact same off-season….. but was coming off a Game 5 loss to San Diego instead of a World Series win.
Maybe the media/MLBTR should only report on the money committed by said team in these deferred deals and not include the interest that’ll accrue over time? It’s very confusing for the general public, aka the fans. Btw, the Dodgers now have as much deferred money owed to players compared to the total evaluation of the Cleveland organization (~1.4B$). Let that one sink in!
Agreed! So much pathetic crying about deferrals. It’s hilarious to see all the petty jealous comments so easily shut down with facts and receipts by Steve. None of these people ever gave a single sold crap about this before the Ohtani contract. Even when it was being leveraged by other WS champions. And even now when they know that Ohtani offered the same structure to other teams. It’s like they only hear what they want to hear. These losers need to go be mad at their own owners who are playing this purely as a business instead of playing to put together a winning team if they can (see my Mariners along with the other usual suspects).
Ya’ll getting destroyed trying to bait Steve into saying something negative about deferrals. Quit crying about it and email your complaints to your team’s POBO.
Destroyed? Lol…knock it off, unfortunately this has raised some concerns even with sports writers. CHANGE NEEDED: NEWSWEEK’s Jon Paul Hoornstra noted The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal suggested on the latest episode of “Foul Territory” that there is a “loophole to be closed in the next round of CBA negotiations around how deferred-money deals are calculated toward the competitive balance tax.” Rosenthal said, “Shohei Ohtani’s contract, for example — $70 million for 10 years — that $70 million should count against the luxury tax, not the present-day value. That would prevent the Dodgers from playing games with this. It’s not that they’re doing anything illegal. It’s perfectly legal. But it would prevent them from skirting the luxury tax calculation in that fashion” (NEWSWEEK, 11/30). In N.Y., Mike Lupica wrote at some point, baseball is “going to have to come up with some new rules” and “stop the Dodgers from gaming the system this way” (N.Y. DAILY NEWS, 11/30).
Reading too much into so-called ‘sports journalism’, especially from Mike Lupica and Newsweek, should be considered a Balk.
If Rosenthal said that he’s clueless. How can it be a $700 million when $680 million of it is paid in years 11-20? It doesn’t make any economic sense. There is only ONE MLB player who you could structure a deal like Ohtani structured given his massive endorsement deals. Players have to agree to the deferrals. Something that gets lost in the deferral narrative. Tell me how much money Soto was willing to defer in his massive contract? Players at the end of the day determine what net present value they’ll get paid at and that’s what determines AAV.
He’s clueless? Hahaha, no matter how anyone feels about deferred contracts, it’s being talked about right now for the next round of negotiations. I personally couldn’t care less about any of this. I think anyone who’s getting mad about MLB and player’s salaries is laughable. Just keep being a fan of your team or don’t. Stop watching for all I care.
You’re still doing it. Read my comment again, rinse and repeat.
I find MLB to be entertaining as it is. Heck, my Orioles have had three consecutive winning seasons. Didnt see that coming in 2021. Its proof that spending gobs of money to win is not the only way to win. I’ll take it.
That said; it would be interesting to see how competition would fare if a hard payroll floor and ceiling cap was employed. IE. all teams would be roster building within a same pay parameter.
Just reporting what was said, take it up with Rosenthal and whoever else stated what was coming the negotiations.
“hard” as in no loop holes to get around the cap; like a deferred payment plan(s) escape clause.
Thanks for answering so many questions!
Steve, ONE Posey will not sign Alonso. He has CLEARLY stated they’re changing the K or Homer mentality. The Padres and Dbacks had great success last year with situational hitting, 2 strike adjustments, etc. The Alonso way is fading out (and Pete is fading as well) and TWO, Posey refused to sign Burnes to an opt out style contract. He wants players that want to play there awhile. I understand the posters begging for Alonso but I don’t understand why you agree with them.
claude, Yeah, I agree. From what I understand, the supposed interest in Alonso was just from some non-committal comment from Posey. Were they to sign Alonso to a short-term deal with opt-outs, and if his numbers are suppressed at Oracle, as I suspect they will be, does he opt-in since his value would drop? It has the potential for a disastrous, under-water deal for several years.
Wade/Flores should provide 75-80% of Alonso’s normal production for 33% of the cost, with no guarantee the Giants would get that normal production from him. Why risk getting potentially stuck with a big contract for an underperforming Alonso?
I wonder how much the deferral narrative would be different is LA had had the exact same off-season….. but was coming off a Game 5 loss to San Diego instead of a World Series win.
Maybe the media/MLBTR should only report on the money committed by said team in these deferred deals and not include the interest that’ll accrue over time? It’s very confusing for the general public, aka the fans. Btw, the Dodgers now have as much deferred money owed to players compared to the total evaluation of the Cleveland organization (~1.4B$). Let that one sink in!
Thank you and nice job Steve! You handled the Dodgers’ deferrals stuff like a pro.
Agreed! So much pathetic crying about deferrals. It’s hilarious to see all the petty jealous comments so easily shut down with facts and receipts by Steve. None of these people ever gave a single sold crap about this before the Ohtani contract. Even when it was being leveraged by other WS champions. And even now when they know that Ohtani offered the same structure to other teams. It’s like they only hear what they want to hear. These losers need to go be mad at their own owners who are playing this purely as a business instead of playing to put together a winning team if they can (see my Mariners along with the other usual suspects).
What a bunch crybaby’s