Approximately eight teams are involved in the market for Pete Alonso, writes Jon Heyman of the New York Post. However, Heyman suggests that most of those clubs are interested in a shorter-term, opt-out laden deal with the star slugger.
That aligns with recent reporting from ESPN’s Jeff Passan that suggested that Alonso is likely to turn to a short-term contract. Will Sammon of The Athletic wrote in a reader mailbag last week that contract length appeared to be the holdup in talks between Alonso and the Mets. Heyman frames things similarly, reporting that the Mets prefer a short-term deal.
According to Heyman, Alonso had been seeking a deal of at least six years with a guarantee in the $150-180MM range at points this offseason. It is unclear how far his camp at the Boras Corporation has moved off that ask. In any case, it doesn’t seem that any teams were willing to go those heights. That’s not especially surprising considering the way teams have devalued defensively-limited sluggers over the past decade. Freddie Freeman and Matt Olson each got six-plus years and narrowly topped $160MM (albeit with deferrals in Freeman’s case), but they were each coming off superior platform seasons to Alonso.
Alonso turned 30 last month. He hit .240/.329/.459 with 34 homers across 695 trips to the plate. That was his lowest full-season home run total and slugging percentage. Paired with the defensive limitations as a middling defender at first base, it’s easy to understand teams’ hesitance to make a long-term commitment. At the same time, there’s clear value in a player who plays every game who hit 34 homers in what is a relative down year from a power perspective.
MLBTR predicted a five-year, $125MM contract for Alonso, who rejected a qualifying offer from the Mets. As we noted from the beginning of the winter, though, it wasn’t difficult to foresee a situation where his market didn’t materialize as his camp envisioned. Alonso had previously declined a seven-year, $158MM extension offer (albeit not while he was represented by Scott Boras). That covered his final arbitration season, in which he made $20.5MM. To come out ahead, he needed to beat $137.5MM over six free agent years. While that was evidently a goal, it looked like an uphill battle.
Alonso could end up taking the route traversed by Cody Bellinger last offseason. When his market didn’t materialize as hoped, Bellinger signed for three years and $80MM with opt-out chances after each of the first two seasons. Alonso would probably expect to beat a $26.67MM average annual value if he’s going with a short-term contract. A return to the Mets still seems the best fit, especially if the team successfully waits him out into pivoting to a three-year guarantee. New York could keep Mark Vientos at third base for another season.
Teams like the Angels, Giants, Blue Jays and Red Sox have been loosely tied to Alonso in recent weeks. Los Angeles, Toronto and Boston all have in-house options at first base who could clutter the picture. San Francisco seemingly wanted to upgrade over LaMonte Wade Jr., but Heyman reports that they’re reluctant to meet Alonso’s asking price.
BITA
I like the Bellinger comp. Limits the risk for the team who signs him to 3 years and gives him chances to opt out if he bounces back. I think he’s worth about the same amount of money as Bellinger too.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Belli dint have a choice getting non-tendered. Alonso turnt down over $150 mil guaranteed….
Sunday Lasagna
Pete turned down 7/$157 prior to last year. Mets paid him $20.5M in 2024. Mets are offering 3/$90.
If Pete makes $16M per year in his age 33-35 seasons he will exceed the 7/$157 he was offered.
Buckner
Boras mouthpiece (Heyman) writes “8 teams are in on Alonso!”
I’ll wait here for the “mystery team” announcement, which I’m sure is coming soon. Thanks Scott.
Raymond Flagstaff
Why wouldnt they be if they thought the price was dropping? Basic supply and demand. They thought the supply at x price was zero, but it may be 1. Teams in should be about 24
Miken31
But is the price dropping or is just sitting where it’s at? We’ve heard about this three years $90 million contract for a while now and it doesn’t seem like anyone else is really stepping up to the plate. At least nothing that has been reported.
Raymond Flagstaff
A lot of mchinations go on. I doubt we are informed accurately so we have to stick with what makes sense. Imo someone will pay well over that. I think fans are mostly talking this one up
Miken31
Yeah, I agree there’s so much behind-the-scenes we don’t know, but if there was a market for Alonso, seems like something would’ve happened by now. He’s found himself into the no man’s land of the off-season for free agents. Obviously he will sign a contract, but I can’t see any team getting roped into a huge contract. Something that will blow three years and 90 million out of the water? I just think that would’ve happened by now if it was going to happen.
Raymond Flagstaff
If so i see the adames contract as a huge mistake. Just like the burnes vs fried contract
Miken31
Well, Adames does play a far more premium position.
Raymond Flagstaff
Oh u mean like lindor vs ohtani?
Miken31
I’m not getting the comparison. Yes Lindor plays a more premium position than Ohtani when he’s not pitching too, but what’s your point?
Raymond Flagstaff
Mvp race didnt even consider it
Miken31
Well, I’m sure it was considered, but in the end Lindor had a 6.9 WAR while Ohtani had a 9.2 WAR so…
geofft
Easy, now. We first heard about the 3 years 90 million about two weeks ago. Its not that long a while. We’ve just gotten too excitable about these things. There were eight weeks left till spring training at the time, and it was the holiday week.
Miken31
Two weeks are long enough in the off-season. Things tend to happen quickly. The big contracts don’t tend to come very late in the off-season anymore. December becomes January and January comes February and then we have spring training. It all comes pretty quick.
geofft
None of what you are saying is absolute. There are no set rules to this thing. Some deals happen quickly, some percolate for a while.
Miken31
Yeah, of course nothing is absolute, but we can use some common sense and look at recent history, right?
Joe It All
The Reds are the mystery team so no reason to worry about the mystery team signing him.
Pete Cruise
Toronto could easily take him on at put him at first base, as vladdy has said that he would prefer to play 3rd.
But the ownership group runs this team like crap.
Raymond Flagstaff
No one wants to move to canada anymore. Maybe once turdeaus gone.
seamaholic 2
FoxNews is on in the next room over dude.
Raymond Flagstaff
So glad im here then. Maybe go turn it off so you can open your mind?
braveshomer
see @CarverAndrews…it’s literally the only thing you guys can say. Told ya!…Fox News this or that blah blah blah
Raymond Flagstaff
Never watched fox news a day in my life lol, some people think the only sources of information are government approved network tv lmao
braveshomer
@RayFlag exactly lol…just wait you’ll get called some names and get screamed at louder just because
JoeBoe
Who do you decide to get misinformed by, if not foreign owned fox propaganda?
Raymond Flagstaff
I dont
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Ray
Guys getting what Akonzo can get paid aren’t affected by what’s going on in Toronto.z They’re just there to play and get a check and head neck to their US homes in the off-season.
Raymond Flagstaff
If im not mistaken during the great hysteria when they were calling their trucking industry horrible names, you werent allowed to travel there without your government mandated gene therapy. Hard to forgive with the same woketard still running the show. The legalized and utilized euthanasia for poverty stricken individuals probably has nothing to do with it either
metsin4
Another moronic Foxnews reply.
Raymond Flagstaff
Give the lemmings something to upvote. Their wars arent doing so well
lfcredsox
yeah, fox news is too smart for your idiocy, which says alot when you make fox look bright
lfcredsox
exactly as I thought you make fox news seem intelligent, which is very sad for you
Raymond Flagstaff
Hyuck hyuck u sure showed me
braveshomer
@metsin4 it’s literally all they have to say with their hive-like mind mentality…I don’t watch Fox News personally but man it really makes me want to lol. Some things must be right if you judge others based on their uncontrollable auto-responses smh
Raymond Flagstaff
Theyve just been trained in red team vs blue team and the only state approved red team outlet is fox. So being stupid lemmings they assume everyone else is as well
spliffTONE
@braveshomer: Ahh….you poor, poor babies
spliffTONE
@Raymond Flagstaff: The enlightened centrist has spoken!
bigjonliljon
Or after Canada becomes the 51st state.
Raymond Flagstaff
Enough woketards here no thanks lol we got a hard enough time keeping our fire hydrants filled already we dont need a new pile of dei morons
spliffTONE
@Raymond Flagstaff: wOkEtArDs
foppert3
The Greenland thing is funnier. Watching the coke addled government representative playing in the Greenland snow and hanging with a dozen red cap wearers was international comedy of the highest order.
God Bless America !
Idli Amin, the Last King of Sambar (fka Senator Tankerbell)
Hiding behind terms like “woketard” and “DEI” is cowardly. Don’t be a coward; come out and say what you really mean! Also, I thought you people—y’know, Real Americans™️—hate when others inject politics into sports? (Or is the word “others” doing the heavy lifting there? Sorry, I’ll go back to being “one of the good ones” now!)
Raymond Flagstaff
Words are used to narrow down what u hate refering to. The one for you would be gamma @idli
Not a clever name
They can keep Greenland, but we have the others military in the world so Denmark better turn over all their butter cookies! And while we are at it we want that senorita bread from Mexico!
Not a clever name
^largest, auto correct got me.
TigersLoveCinnamon
I’ve been to Canada like 7 times, probably equals out to a little over a month. Loved the place, would gladly move there
Raymond Flagstaff
Go ahead toronto needs some warm bodies
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Vlad at 3rd would be even worse than Rafael devers
At least devers isn’t as fat and has more experience at 3rd
Raymond Flagstaff
Didnt vlad come up at 3rd?
Pete'sView
Yes, but he’s no longer a fit at 3b.
Ezpkns34
Vlad’s D at 3rd (or lack thereof) would immediately negate any positives Alonso’s bat provided
willthethrill22
First! And, the Giants aren’t getting him.
runningwithnailclippers
First to do what? Will Clark was cool btw.
Ann Porkins
With less than $20M in space until the luxury tax, you’re probably right. That, and I doubt the Giants are as willing to give up draft picks for another opt-out free agent deal.
But they could use one more potent bat in the OF/DH/1B mix if they’re going to seriously try for contention. After giving $333M to Chapman and Adames, I’d rather the Giants make a splash and try than straddle the middle and win 80 games again.
So perhaps there is a non-zero chance they’re lingering in the periphery of negotiations for guys like Alonso. Far more likely, though, is that they’ll stand pat, make a trade, or simply take a flier on someone via minor league deal with a spring training invite
Pete'sView
The soon-to-be emerging Bryce Eldridge is another reason the Giants signing Alonso makes little sense unless it’s a two-year deal which Alonso has already said he doesn’t want.
John Bird
Boras likes to use the Giants for leverage. Everyone knows he wants to sign in NY, it’s just about at what price.
slider32
Mets have their eye on Vlady next year!
TheBull
The Giants. Haha
Shizzy 4th place team that has only booked 1 winning season over .500 since 2016 Thst play in ballpark where it’s cold in the summer and home run hitters only reach the warning track. Yeah sure Pete Alonso is gonna love that
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Pete gone done messed up….
Tomas7
I agree, Pete didn’t learn from his ex-team mate Michael conforto’s experienced with Boras. If I were Pete, I’d fire Boras and get someone more realistic and get signed and get ready for spring training, this waiting must be a bad experience. Stay with the Mets…..
Canosucks
As a long time, Mets fan this has gone on ad nauseum.
Look at his HR numbers by team last year, only about 5 against good teams. All his metrics are declining, can’t catch up to the heat anymore.
Just sign Bregman, move Vientos to First and Dump the Polar Beer!!
Vientos 27 HR in only 413 AB
Polar Beer 34 HR in 695 AB
Please go away Pete, no one is going to do 6 years for 180 million
Raymond Flagstaff
Fans are so fragile its sad
spliffTONE
@Raymond Flagstaff: Says the absolute clown that won’t stop crying about “woketards” in the comment section of a sports site
dugmet
695 PAs not ABs.
Canosucks
#dugmet I’m sorry 608 ABs; doesn’t change my point but thanks
spliffTONE
@dugmet: Lol ole’ Dugmet from PSD. Holla if you trying to connect with the old PSD Mets crew; we got a Discord group going from the remnants of PSD
Lalo says show me
There’s no guarantee vientos won’t have a sophomore slump or be able to competently play 1b. I’m not sure why many Mets fans think moving vientos to 1b is a great idea.
I don’t want the Mets to pay pete long term either, but I still want him at a higher aav short term with opt outs
Raymond Flagstaff
Because theyre in a hissy fit that alonso is waiting for an offer he likes. Petulant children
Canosucks
#Raymond Flagstaff Mets fans can have any opinion they want on thread about the Mets. Your on here why; nothing better going on in your life than to criticize Mets fans?
This whole space is about opinions.
Raymond Flagstaff
Yea andi gave mine. U havent even picked up im a mets fan
metsin4
How’s he going to have a sophomore slump when last year was his sophomore season?
Lalo says show me
He didn’t really have many at bats the prior year
I’m hoping he continues to improve, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see pitchers adjust to him early on this year was more my point
It’s more about fans thinking letting Pete walk wouldn’t create offensive issues
Angel 4ever
Bregman’s best years were the trash can years. Pedestrian since and going into his 30’s. Meh.
Raymond Flagstaff
All the fans keep crying, doesnt pete know he has no market, why wont he sign. They wonder what leverage he could possibly have, then they rant about boras, then without any self awareness whatsoever go on to say how much they think alonso fits with the mets and dare I say it need him…
Alonso has always had a huge market. Its simply a matter of at what price. We will see, will it be closer to the fans “come on just take it pete you cant get any more” 3 for 90-110 or a more justifiable 4-6 for 130-175?
johncoltrane
Another satisfied boras client lol
Pete will sign in may for 5 months
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
He’ll take the $20 mil and pray….
Raymond Flagstaff
I love this, people really can see whatever they want i guess. Dudes landing clients and bloated contracts constantly but fans seem to keep hee hawing about how foolish he is. Smh
johncoltrane
@flag
Ye bec soto rly needed boras to land 765$ mil
Last yr snell & belly settled for 1 yr deals. Snell started off terribly before miraculously rebounding. Belly took a nosedive. Jordan montgomery fired boras & then had the worst yr of his career. Alonso expected $180mil & might be forced to take 1 yr deal too
But Tell us more abt landing clients bloated contracts
Raymond Flagstaff
What are u talking about. Whats any of that have to do with it? So he couldnt get monty a deal and monty stinks is your argument? What about belly or snelly is reliable? Were u trying to make my argument or something?
10centBeerNight
Tedious ongoing saga because NY media won’t shut up about it. Maybe ask Pete why his offensive stats have basically made him Lucas Duda
Raymond Flagstaff
Maybe ask yourself why you think duda was a bad player?
Pete'sView
Because Lucas Duda wasn’t especially good.[3 decent seasons out of 8 based solely on HRs]
Raymond Flagstaff
Duda was good a, and b he wentto the WS with the mets. C alonso is better
Discostu
Bye Pete.
Bivouac-Sal
who cares?
Raymond Flagstaff
Mets fans, mariners fans etc… Duh
Bivouac-Sal
Duh is an appropriate response for a Mets fan
Raymond Flagstaff
So hilarious u go straight to mute BUH bye
Bivouac-Sal
aww gee whiz say it aint so
Goose
If there were eight teams involved he would be signed by now. This is looking like Snell, Montgomery and Bellinger all over again. Shooting the moon.
I will not be surprised if he fires Boras after he gets a shorter deal.
Moff_Nick
Snell seemed to do pretty well after betting on himself last year
Raymond Flagstaff
Thas not logical at all. 8 teams are involved because he hasnt. Does anyone understand price at all?
Poolhalljunkies
Would love to see the red sox steal this guy from the mets just let him dh/1b with casas he would obliterate lf in fenway
SupremeZeus
Stearns time in mke provides some insight into how he values 1b and what kind of resources he allocates to the position. These never ending reports seems to indicate that Boras believes his public pressure campaign will eventually lead to the Mets increasing their offer. The clock is ticking and the Mets leverage seems to get stronger with each passing day.
DugoutJester
Boras “Here take this envelope and write this article, thanks.”
crise
You mean “Here’s an article to run, thanks. No, just run it, no need to read it.”
Moff_Nick
As much as people what to dunk on Alonso and boras, the problem here is that only 5 or 6 teams seem to want to spend any money. If any free agent hesitates to sign they get left out in the cold. Mlb needs a salary floor much more than a salary cap
jswanny41
Cmon Cohen give him 6-180, there’s NO WAY you’ll regret it
Raymond Flagstaff
Ever lose your cell phone? Thats about the loss he would feel
slider32
I’m a Polar Bear guy but if it’s him at 30 or Vlady at 26 I would wait for Vlady!
Raymond Flagstaff
I dont think thats the question. They cant know theyll get vladdy. So youre tradng a certainty for uncertainty. But if the can trade for him and sign now im on board
rct
Watch, after all of this back-and-forth, he ends up returning to the Mets at like 5/$125 million and everyone forgets this whole saga in a year or two.
ReyDay
Wishful thinking, it’ll be a miracle if he cracks 100MM now from the Mets, I think they’d rather just wait a year and sign Vlad to pair with Soto for the next decade.
Raymond Flagstaff
Over 100 seems more likely to me. Hardly miracle territory
ReyDay
He probably will get over 100 just not with the Mets. They’d have to go at least 4 years with him which I don’t think Stearns wants to commit too.
Raymond Flagstaff
Seems like the kind of thing cohen would override. I think cohen likes the idea of long tenuredplayers and would eata extra year if he had to.
ReyDay
Earlier Cohen most definitely but I think he’s cooled off a bit and trust Stearns judgment after this past year.
Raymond Flagstaff
I think pete is different. For the same reason now gooden straw and david will have their numbers retired. Not saying pete will reach that, tho not many other players have a reasonable shot at 500 hrs
rct
I’m with you, Raymond. Stearns on his own probably wouldn’t sign Pete long term, but it’s Cohen’s money and Cohen cares a lot about tradition and branding and Mets history. Keeping Pete as he chases Strawberry’s HR total and then 300 HR and beyond is important to Cohen.
Raymond Flagstaff
Yea and to be clear i think cohens override wouldnt be used to make stearns sign pete, but only say if pete gives us the best chance over the next 3 years (or something similar) i want you to give him a fourth out of his own pocket not necessarily our baseball money
thecheddahbob
As a Mets fan I’ve been spending most of this guys career preaching he’s absolutely not worth a long term contract. His best comparables are Ryan Howard and Chris Davis, who both signed historically bad contracts and both of which had the value of a paperweight by age 31. I’ve been laughed at for years. Suddenly, in the last month, every Mets fan has changed their tune to agree with me as if they had this opinion the entire time
scruffmcgruff
As an O’s fan who watched Chris Davis (both the crazy good and horrendously bad) Alonso is a way more disciplined hitter than Davis ever was. In hindsight Davis certainly wasn’t worth that absolutely terrible contract and while Alonso probably isn’t worth that same contract, he definitely would’ve been more deserving of it than Davis. I will say this though, I’m typically all for players getting paid as much as they can, it doesn’t take much to end a career in sports and there are a lot of owners and teams that are very much unwilling to pay for even the most consistently productive and healthy players.
I was thinking of a random scenario at the beginning of the offseason for my O’s a ways back, if we couldn’t bring back Burnes, package Mayo in a deal to get Cease, maybe move Mountcastle for some more pitching depth and make a run at Alonso. Obviously thats just a hypothetical but I don’t think whoever signs Alonso is going to regret it in the immediate term.
rct
“I’ve been laughed at for years.”
As you should be. Howard and Davis are lazy comparisons. Howard was the worst defender in the entire league for much of his career and possibly the slowest player as well. Then he tore his Achilles, which is a very hard injury to come back from. He likely would have put up a few more decent seasons if not for that injury.
Davis was a real three true outcomes hitter. Alonso is much more consistent, with at least a 122 OPS+ in every season he’s been in the league. Davis was up and down (several seasons below average OPS+) and for whatever it is worth, Davis needed to take Adderall and was forced to go off of it and then back on it. I don’t see the comparison. Davis was a special case.
BforBrad
Seems obvious it will be the Reds at this point.
Joe It All
As a Reds fan that would be exciting because it would have the shock factor involved of a guy signing somewhere that you never expected him to go. Very doubtful that will happen though because I just can’t see them paying what it would take to get him.
With all the big free agents usually signing in large markets though if this happened it would be good for baseball just so fans that bemoan about the large market/ small market could calm down about everybody only going to big market teams.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Because obviously they’ve been looking at your comments for all these years, remembered what you said and went “man, he was right the whole time!”
scottn59c
8 teams are in on signing him to a 1-2 year deal, lol.
As for seven years, no team is signing a one-dimensional 30-something 1B to that kind of deal anymore. He should have taken the extension money when it was on the table. Now, he’ll be lucky to pretend that a short term, high AAV contract is saving face.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Alonso is like so many other one dimensional power hitting first basemen before him, but the difference is that guys like Ryan Howard and Chris Davis were smart and took the “team friendly” deal early, likely knowing they were cashing in a lottery ticket vs banking on themselves and losing out later as they cratered- I honestly don’t think Howard or Davis thought they’d do better on the open market later on- they knew what they were and they were getting paid to be franchise players more than anything.
Alonso isn’t quite a franchise player and he turned that kind of money down already.
He will be very lucky to get 4 years/$100M from somebody and he will more than likely have to settle for like 2 years/$40M or 3 years/$60M- it is what it is.
But who wants him? One dimensional first baseman power hitters no longer get that Ryan Howard/Jason Giambi level money, period, so who is going to take pity on him and give him his big free agency money?
That said…. I do feel like a lot of these guys work their tails off to get to this point, often times only their peripherals are worrisome while their overall performance their walk year is adequate to justify a lucrative multi-year contract from someone, but teams are so wise to this type of player’s ceiling and age issues etc that basically nobody bites… and I genuinely feel bad for some of them.
They’re already rich, they’ve already made a tens of millions in upfront salary and have many many millions after agent fees and taxes and some team would happily sign them for much less than what they were hoping for or projected to earn, but still tens of millions in guaranteed income- but it must suck when analytics indicate you’re worthless even though you still put up decent numbers in your walk year- plus he is only 29- which is that mystical baseball age where a guy is both at his peak and no longer worth a roster spot, according to many people in the MLBTR comment section.
I hope someone, for the sake of the game, gives him 3 years/$70M or 4 years/$78M or 5 years/$100M something like that- an amount that nowadays feels like a bargain and a token consolation prize for someone like Alonso, but still sets him for life and then some- because guys like him bring in a lot of money and fan engagement and has plenty left in the tank, even if it isn’t super charged like some are using to argue they shouldn’t be given their due.
All that said- he did this to himself when he apparently turned down the mets offer of, what essentially equates to 6 years/$137.5M, which would have been a perfectly cromulent deal for him and a deal he wasn’t going to top by very much even in the best of circumstances for himself on the open market…
FRL
This might be coming from Alonso’s agent. 8 teams
Hexbreaker
Jon Heyman is a hack.
Miken31
“Approximately eight teams are involved in the market for Pete Alonso“
Yeah, the Mets and seven “mystery teams.”
crise
And the Twins: “So if you need a transition year we can hook you up, How’s about $8m and… no just $8m. Wait hang on, Lemme call you back, gotta make sure about $8m…”
Mikenmn
“He hit .240/.329/.459 with 34 homers across 695 trips to the plate. That was his lowest full-season home run total and slugging percentage.”
This is not the platform year you want when you are looking for 6 years, $150-180. And if he declines just a little bit–from a 2.6 WAR player he was last year to a 2.0 WAR one, that’s a ton of money to spend on a purely average player. It’s a little troubling that his best season was his rookie year. He should have taken the offer on the table. Maybe he lucks out here, but…
jeffreybecker77
dugout issues maybe? he’s definitely batsheet
Zippy the Pinhead
I hear the Mariners offered him Pike Place Market, the Space Needle, Bill Gates’ 60-acre waterfront mansion, and the Troll, in addition to $100,000,000 per year for 37 years…but then again, it might just be a rumor.
VA/NC Orioles
If he’s willing to take that opt out laden contract I could get on board with the O’s making moves to bring him in. Pair him with the young guys and be a true power source in the middle of the order. I like Mounty but he is so streaky. He plays a good 1b which keeps him in the lineup. A rotation of Mounty, Pete, and O’Hearn wouldn’t be the worst IMO.
It was obvious that Mayo needs more time as he was over matched in the bigs. I’ve mentioned before that it appears he has a hitch in that swing which exposed him in the majors. Obviously not a professional hitting instructor but he rarely looked on time for anything in Baltimore.
Rsox
A decade long contract for a one-trick pony on the wrong side of 30 isn’t happening, four years with an option after 2nd year is a likely possibility
sfjackcoke
He lands somewhere between Chapman and Bellinger guarantee but more importantly without the back loaded pay and likely just one opt-out.
The Bellinger deal didn’t work and Alonso has more risk being a year old w/zero defensive value with his one skill trending the wrong way
kingmanscorner
Pete should remember what happened to Conforto.
Tomas7
Amen