After agreeing to a $28.5MM salary to avoid arbitration last week, the Blue Jays and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. can turn their focus to a long-term deal. The four-time All-Star said last month that the Jays had offered him around $340MM, which he said was well below his asking price. That offer reportedly predated Juan Soto’s $765MM agreement with the Mets that shattered prior contractual precedents.
Ken Rosenthal and Will Sammon of The Athletic report that the Jays have not had any extension talks with Guerrero’s camp since before Christmas. That indicates there was little to no discussion about a long-term deal in the talks to avoid exchanging arbitration filing figures. However, Rosenthal and Sammon write that extension talks are expected to pick back up before the beginning of Spring Training.
Guerrero said last month that he would cut off negotiations as soon as Spring Training begins. It’s common for players to publicly impose deadlines — many prefer not to discuss contracts once the regular season gets underway — but some players will ultimately continue talks beyond those “cutoffs” if they feel negotiations are making progress. If both team and player are amenable, extension discussions can take place at any point.
While Guerrero isn’t going to get Soto money, he’s clearly looking well beyond the $313.5MM extension that Rafael Devers received from the Red Sox over the 2022-23 offseason. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale wrote last week that Guerrero’s asking price was believed to be at or above $450MM. Jon Heyman of The New York Post suggests similarly, reporting that the former MVP runner-up is looking to top $400MM and could aim for a deal closer to the half-billion dollar mark.
It remains to be seen whether the Jays have the appetite for that kind of investment. They made bigger offers to Shohei Ohtani and Soto, suggesting they’re amenable to a huge expenditure for certain players. Ohtani and Soto presented opportunities to add superstars from outside the organization. Extending Guerrero would be a major boost to a fanbase frustrated by a series of near-misses in free agency over the last two winters. It could also be necessary to keep the team from going into a rebuild after next season. Toronto already faces an uphill path to contention in the AL East. Competing in 2026 if Guerrero and Bo Bichette walk may not be feasible.
In any case, the focus seems squarely on an extension. Rosenthal and Sammon write that the team much prefers to keep Guerrero rather than trade him. They suggest that, in order to even consider a trade, the Jays would need to receive a haul that tops what the Yankees sent to the Padres for one year of Soto’s services last winter.
New York sent two seasons of Michael King — who had proven himself as a multi-inning relief weapon and flashed significant upside in a limited look as a starter — as the headliner. The Yankees included highly-regarded pitching prospect Drew Thorpe (whom San Diego flipped as the centerpiece of the Dylan Cease deal), controllable depth starters Jhony Brito and Randy Vásquez, and backup catcher Kyle Higashioka to the Padres. The Yanks also got Trent Grisham in the deal.
That’s a massive haul for one year of any player, which reflects the Jays’ preference for holding onto Guerrero. Perhaps that’d change if extension talks don’t progress, though it’d be a major surprise if they dealt him before Opening Day. Toronto hopes to compete for a playoff spot this season. They could still add one of the top unsigned hitters (e.g. Anthony Santander, Alex Bregman, Pete Alonso). Even if the Jays don’t succeed in extending Guerrero, they’d presumably prefer to see how things play out in the season’s first half before deciding whether to make him available.
O'sSayCanYouSee
Pay the man Toronto!!
ThatsIT?
No team is giving fat loaf 1b 400 million. Not a single team in mlb. If any team was willing Pete Alonso would be signed by now.
YankeesBleacherCreature
He gon git paid! Hope you can eventually realize that Vladdy is almost five years younger and doesn’t have the same hitter profile as Alonso.
Payne Train
The Blue Jays should get an opt out clause after he hits 300lbs
Eric Ferrari
He’s supposed to be in his physical prime and he’s obese. Imagine when he’s 35 and 300 lbs.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Eric
He’s an athlete. You can’t just assume that he’ll put on weight just from being older.
ChapmansVacuum
Gonna be a Prince Fielder style career
ThatsIT?
Pete Alonso turned down 158 million by the way. Now he can’t get a team to sign him for 3 years. Is vladdy younger and a better hitter than Pete yes. But vlad is Pete in 3 years. If Alonso isn’t worth 90 million to anyone vlad isn’t worth 400 million.
YankeesBleacherCreature
My points still stand as you’re choosing to ignore them and run with your own narrative.
Silent Bob23
Yet all these Mets fans excluding me want Vlad. He has not been the most consistent player and he isn’t even in the top 10 of all MLB players. Probably not in the top 20 if you include pitchers. Mets should have met Pete halfway and offered him 3 years at 75 million with a possible 10 million of incentives.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@That
If Alonzo turned down a 3 year deal then I would assume he probably has a better offer on the table. It’s one thing to turn down what is the best offer in November vs mid- January. Also, your comparison isn’t very good. Pete, at any age, was never as complete of a bitter as Vlad was/is. There’s no rain to think that Vlad won’t be an above average until at least 33.
Jason m
Ben Nicholson-Smith reported today that the Jays are in active negotiations with Vladdy. So, I’m not sure where Rosenthal is getting his info.
Diggydugler
Atkins and Shapiro are ass clowns
Ducey
As a Jays fan, I am torn. Vladdy is a wonderful human being and a lot of fun to watch play. He is also capable of monster seasons.
On the other hand, they dont have anyone to play with him over the next 15 seasons, he can have some Meh seasons, and is likely to have conditioning issues.
A massive contract isn’t likely to age well. Although there has been a lot of wage inflation in baseball, so who knows.
cooperhill
FAT!
Big whiffa
Toronto needs to go all in on this FA class and just let Bo and Vlad walk or trade them. Vlad is signing elsewhere 100%. Go get Santander and Bregman and scott.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
First basemen are getting undervalued just like how the running back market is dying in the nfl and some centers in nba
Vladdys comp is prince fielder and if fielder was around today he wouldn’t have gotten his same money
Just like how Alonso should’ve taken the 158 Mets deal, I wonder if vlad should’ve taken the 340 since that’s like mookie betts money
Silent Bob23
My question is, when is it enough? You are fortunate enough to play the greatest game in the world as an adult and get paid millions of dollars. Yet your child’s teacher is lucky to be making $60,000 a year (based on USA average).
texasguscc
G R E E D
Enrico Pallazzo
It’s called supply and demand. Very few people can hit a 100 mph fastball. Many people can teach children to read or do basic math. Education is very important but that doesn’t mean teachers should earn 300M over a 10 year contract. Low pay for teachers has absolutely nothing to do with how much baseball players make and it certainly has nothing to do with greed. They aren’t competing with each other. If you don’t like it maybe you can go move to Bangladesh or Honduras or Africa and see if you still think our society is all that bad.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Silent
Find someone willing to pay $50 to watch your kids’ teacher teach. I get it but that’s our society. We want to be entertained, and they’re are free that can touch, let some crush, a 90 mph pitch.
YankeesBleacherCreature
$340M less ’25 $28.5M arb salary is $311.5M. We don’t know if there is deferred money in the Jays’ extension offer. Betts signed his $390M contract almost five years ago.
slimeecito
They’re not gonna add Pete Alonso it’s nuts to me that some media are still throwing that out there. Although knowing this FO they’re “in on” everyone!!
cooperhill
If he doesn’t start take conditioning seriously, he will be out of baseball in 5 years. I am 64 and could run circles around him!
C-Daddy
Vladdy has slightly above league average sprint speed per Statcast. I very much doubt you are that spry at 64.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@coop
You act like he is walking around with a huge belly. Saquan Batkley is 6’1 and 235, and he’s leaping over ppl.
bestone
@Cooperhill…
If you’re running circles, watch the hips.
You probably don’t repair as fast however.
Jizzrael
$340 mil is well below his asking price?? Delusional. I’m pro union all the way, but he’s just a young obese 1b. He bought his own hype and hasn’t worked to improve other facets of his game like the players that get mega contracts.
rct
If he doesn’t get extended before the season starts, he better hope he has another season like last year (6.2 bWAR, 5.5 fWAR) and not one like his 2023 (2.0 bWAR, 1.3 fWAR) or this could end up being the biggest bag fumble we’ve ever seen. He should have pounced on that $340 million offer like Garfield on lasagna.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Age is on his side. Can always do a one-year, opt-out pillow deal and try again at 27.
Camikey
If they trade Vlad, I doubt the Blue Jays will get anywhere near what the Padres got for Soto. The true comp is probably the return that the Astros got for Tucker.
bjhaas1977
He’s gonna sign with the Mets so he can play with his brother.
Samuel
The Jays Baseball FO and organization is so poor that I find it hard to believe Mr. Guerrero Jr. will sign with them without testing free agency.
He’ll use the Jays like other FA’s do that talk with them….to run the price of their subsequent contract up.
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The Jays are exactly like the Cardinals. They threw money at sexy FA’s and trade candidates from teams dumping their contracts. Now they’re stuck with over-the-hill players whose skills are eroding while their salaries are climbing. If either one of those teams could actually develop young players and make young veteran players better – as winning organizations do – they wouldn’t be in the situations they’re in.
Obviously teams will be lining up to sign Valddy after the 2025 season.
SHARKmapiro
Jays spend a lot on the payroll and are definitely not cheap or poor.
Also, there’s always the possibility that no matter what the Jays offer he’s going to hit free agency to try to maximize his value. Nothing wrong with that either but it’s easy to blame the team “for letting him walk” without factoring the player’s intentions.
C-Daddy
I think I speak for a lot of Jays fans when I say I have very mixed feelings about a lucrative long-term extension for Vladdy.
He has had two elite seasons that have sandwiched two pretty average seasons for a first baseman. He’s not great defensively and makes a lot of base running mistakes. While good last season, his conditioning has been poor in previous years. For these reasons, it’s a huge gamble to sign him for 10+ years.
On the other hand, he’s a homegrown fan favourite and basically the only good offensive player on the Jays – he was essentially the only reason to watch games last season. Given the Jays highly publicized inability to sign high-profile free agents the last few offseasons, letting him walk would be a PR disaster.
desertdan
As good as a power hitter he is, it feels like Prince Fielder 2.0. Some team will drastically overpay and regret it within 2/3 years at most.
astros_fan_84
They should trade him and rebuild, but that’s easy for me to say. I’m not a Jays fan and I’m not in their front office.
Hot Corner IJ
In the article it says he will not get Juan Soto money. Then later in the article it says the Jays want at a trade package that is greater than the 1 year trade package for Juan Soto. The Jays are going to be disappointed if both of these statements are accurate.