Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak met with reporters (including Jeff Jones of the Belleville News-Democrat) at the team’s Winter Warm-Up event today, and discussed several topics related to quiet St. Louis offseason. In general, Mozeliak didn’t have much new to offer on the Nolan Arenado trade front, other than to say that “I think priority one, two and three is still Nolan” in terms of how dealing the third baseman is the clear focal point for the rest of the team’s winter plans.
Mozeliak has been open abut the team’s intentions of cutting payroll and giving more playing time to younger players in 2025, even if the PBO and other Cardinals’ officials have stopped short of officially considering next season a rebuilding year. During the Winter Meetings, Mozeliak candidly said that “It’s my intention to try” and trade Arenado to aid in this process, and Arenado was tacitly on board with these endeavors, though Arenado ultimately has control over his own fate via his no-trade clause.
The eight-time All-Star already used this influence to reject a proposed deal in December that would’ve seen him dealt to the Astros, with Houston taking on — according to conflicting reports — at least $45MM and as much as $59MM of the $60MM still owed on Arenado’s contract. (The full total is $74MM, but the Rockies are covering $10MM of that figure and the other $4MM is reduced due to deferrals.) In the wake of that scuttled deal, the Astros moved on entirely by signing Christian Walker to address their corner infield needs, leaving St. Louis still in need of a trade partner.
Later reports suggested Arenado hadn’t entirely closed the door on joining the Astros, but just wanted more time to evaluate the situation considering that Houston had just dealt Kyle Tucker to the Cubs earlier that same week. Mozeliak admitted today that he “was a little bit surprised” Arenado turned down the trade, and suggested that the Cardinals were hampered by the timing of the Tucker deal. “It was almost more like order of operation. Had we been a few days ahead of that, I think there would’ve been [a trade]….So yeah, things happen.” Mozeliak said.
In regards to the lack of other interest in Arenado, Mozeliak said “I would imagine the free agent market would be what’s slowing that down,” referencing the fact that Alex Bregman remains unsigned. Some movement on the Arenado front could happen once Bregman chooses his next team, and Mozeliak said he hadn’t yet spoken with Arenado or his camp about possibly expanding the third baseman’s list of preferred trade destinations.
In fact, Mozeliak said he hadn’t directly spoken with Arenado for close to a month, as the two last had contact before the holidays. Given the calendar, their next conversation might also have to address the scenario where Arenado isn’t traded prior to Spring Training, so he’d have to go through his normal spring routine under the weight of a potential change of scenery.
“There’s the mental side of this too, right?” Mozeliak said. “He’s probably thinking, like, OK, if I have to come to camp, I want to start preparing for that, and maybe he wants to be committed to [staying in St. Louis] at that point. So I don’t want to speak for him at this point, because we have not discussed that. But clearly, as we get closer to Jupiter, that is something we will have to touch on.”
In a piece for MLBTR Front Office subscribers earlier this week, Anthony Franco described the Cardinals’ winter as “a half-measure offseason,” given how the team hadn’t dealt any of its higher-salaried players, let alone Arenado. Willson Contreras and Sonny Gray left the Cards’ hands tied by refusing to waive their own no-movement clauses, yet impending free agents Ryan Helsley, Erick Fedde, and Steven Matz all seem like obvious trade candidates, and all remain on the roster here in mid-January.
Mozeliak provided some explanation for not moving Fedde or Matz today, noting that the Cards “don’t really love [the] idea” of potentially leaving the team short-handed on the pitching front. “We really feel like we have some depth in our rotation right now, so I really don’t want to start preparing tearing away from that, in terms of thinking about moving a position player to achieve some financial goals,” Mozeliak said. “That would be something we could consider as well, but we really don’t want to.”
Fedde is owed $7.5MM in 2025, while Matz is owed $12MM and would likely be more of a salary-dump candidate given his injuries and struggles in recent years. Helsley will receive $8.2MM in his final season of team control. While all have substantial salaries, the $27.2MM total is only slightly less than the $27MM owed to Arenado in 2025, when Colorado’s $5MM contribution is subtracted from his $32MM price tag. Between that math and the $27MM also owed to Arenado in 2026, it seems like the Cardinals simply want to exhaust all possibilities in moving Arenado before moving onto other payroll-cutting moves.
The more salary St. Louis is able to unload, the more the team can also add to the roster. Mozeliak suggested that if the money becomes available, the club could look at “obviously [the] bullpen” or possibly “a right-handed bat with some thump, something like that.” The Cardinals have a decent amount of lineup balance already, but with Arenado on the move, the team would presumably be looking to replace him with another righty bat at a much lower price tag. In theory, this bat might come in the outfield — right fielder Jordan Walker is right-handed, but Lars Nootbaar, Victor Scott II, and Michael Siani all swing from the left side.
How do Cardinals fans feel about Mozeliak being gone after this season? Is that a good thing? It seems to me like he has given up.
Most cards fans think Mo is a POS. He has been teeing off from the women’s tees in the nl central getting praised for stringing bogeys together for a decade.
Over the past decade the NL Central has more playoff teams than any NL division.
Not true. NL West 19, central 17 and East 16. Janice try though.
*Nice not Janice lol
You are correct. I was counting 2014-2023. did not include 2024.
There’s no such thing as women’s tees. It’s front tees or back tees or middle tees. Based on how far you hit the ball, you choose the appropriate tees. His problem is he thinks he should hit from the back tees when in reality he needs to be on a putt putt course.
Red tees have always identified as woman’ tee box in my experience. Mo has underwhelmed for 8 yrs.
Stop being soft. It’s the women’s tees and NOBODY should be offended by that. If you are, then those tees are for you.
Exactly
You can change your gender and pronoun. But not your tee box.
He has actually done a remarkable job in his tenure, given the constraints put on him by his boss. Then again, professional sports are a “what have you done for me lately” industry and his past few years (and their notable whiffs) have left a bad taste in every one’s mouth. I’m glad to have a new leadership team coming in, but fans also forget how good we had it for most of his tenure.
How long has it been since the Cardinals had a playoff team? Doesn’t seem to be very long.
It’s a tale of two stories. Great first half of his tenure with us, terrible second half. He has slowly bled us to the bottom of the cellar with no prospects.
shord03 —- you’ve hit the nail on the head. The first half of his career he was pretty good while he was working with the remainder of Walt Jockerty’s contracted players and minor league organization.
Mozeliak originally worked as he was trained by Jockerty by replacing Quality players as they left with Quality players….
The second half of his tenure that process changed. Either by his own philosophy or as funds were cut off by the DeWitts.
The situation in St. Louis is horrible now.
The Fans feel like it’s a complete Betrayal of the Organization!!!
Mozeliak has done some good things and a lot of fans refuse to give him credit for those things. But it’s time to move on. He ran LaRussa out of town because he wanted more control. The team wasted some really good years with Matheny then found a good manager in Schilt and Mozeliak fired him for another rookie manager. Firing Schilt was the last straw for me personally.
The Dodgers didn’t want you Nolan, plain and simple.
Take a ride down the 5, not too far from your Lake Forrest roots, and join the Pads.
We want you down here!
Defeat the evil empire and join the rebellion!
Dude the Padres have Machado. There are moves for the Padres to make but getting Arenado isn’t one of them.
Like signing Plawecki haha.
Dodgers get Sasaki and the Seidler Bros counter with…another coach.
Can we trade the Seidler Bros to the Dodgers for prospects or heck, even cash?
Padres already have a good 3B on a big contract. What are they going to do in your scenario, move Machado to LF?
Not that they will be getting him but Nolan said he would play 1b. Where the padres could use him. Especially if they traded cronenworth or Arraez.
Don’t get me wrong I don’t see this happening at all.
Have you noticed the dude standing at third base for those Padres in the last few years?
He reminds me of Pujols a little. Once revered….going through the reviled stage. In time Cards fans will realize how well he did, and what solid baseball they experienced during his tenure.
Dock Cardinals fans do not want to get rid of Arenado. Arenado wants to leave. No fans are hating on Arenado at all. Perhaps they are tired of talking about it.
I was referring to Moz. Really not a fan of the commenting layout.
Mozeliak does not want to trade Arenado. Arenado wants to be traded.
@Joel When are you going to provide a link to anything backing your claim of Arenado wanting to b traded?? You keep making this claim yet you ignore any requests to back this claim….
I appreciate him for what he did pre 2015. Mozeliak that is. After 2019 it got ugly for Mozeliak, no way to defend that.
The audience is spoiled and perhaps also throwing alot of spoiled tomatoes? They watched since 2000 Jim Edmonds, Albert Pujols, Yadier Molina, Edgar Rentaria, Jaime Garcia, Lance Lynn, Trevor Rosenthal, Jason Motte, Kevin Seigrist, Chris Carpenter, Paul Goldschmidt, Nolan Arenado and Adam Wainwright absolutely own stuff with Larry Walker, Will Clark, Chuck Finely, Jon Lester, John Smoltz and Jared Weaver as rental pieces along the way
Forgot Jason Isringhausen and Scott Rolen this is perhaps why they are spoiled….
Pujols only stunk for the Angels so he was only reviled there. Came back home for one last swan song season. Arenado was great and is still a valuable player but his bat seems like toast. Not sure he has much bounce back left but maybe in a smaller park than Busch.
I’m glad he’s gone after this year. He’s made some good moves and bad. Not getting Arenado dealt and not getting any core players extended would leave a bad taste in many Cardinal fans’ mouths.
The only thing that could be better is if he was gone already.
Good vibes – agreed. They’re in a lame duck phase of transition. Watching teams basically need go take seasons off to reset is frustrating. But in the grand scheme there’s the Pirates fans, etc. They’d love to have this issue once in awhile.
Honestly it really makes me think about Theo Epstiens limit of ten years for himself. If Mo had left at the end of ten years, he would have been going out on a much higher note. That seems to be about the time things turned for the worse.
Nuggethoarder- Epstein’s schtick only worked by tanking and using high picks. He wasn’t able to operate a team once successful long. I truly find Moz more impressive in the sense that the Cardinals sustained a very long winning run. The end is rarely pretty, because too often people don’t know when to exit.
And in St. Louis now….there’s an entire generation who can’t recall them even being non-competive. Whitey to the Mcgwire era was quite awhile. Drought in the 70s until Whitey too. Its phenomenonal how well they sustained this run.
The Cardinals skill has been DOWN the draft. Having a #1 overall from tanking and drafting high takes a lot less skill.
This team took Albert Pujols in the 5th round….guy was sitting a mile from Kauffman Stadium across the state. Royals had 4 chances. They weren’t on him.
Albert was actually drafted in the 13th!!! Round.
Thanks for the correction. No idea why I always say 5th
Mo was one of the best GMs for over a decade. I personally think he lost his way trying to play keep up with the Cubs when they made their run from 2015-2018 (Fowler, Ozuna). Those both hurt a lot. Trading for Goldie and Arenado represented somewhat of a renaissance but he paired that with too many mid-tier free agent signings that cluttered up the roster and stole playing time from younger players, some of whom excelled elsewhere.
It’s unfortunate his reputation has been tarnished by the last two years – but he made the deals that led to them. I think it is time.
Nuggethoarder- it’s also just very hard to stay competitive for so long. Very few GMs build the system and franchise the Cards have over these seasons. It seems like a failure, but it’s the product of success. Hang out long enough and it’ll happen. Most GMs get fired without winning much of anything.
In the 2000s Braves fans were whining because the 14 year core run was ending.
Law of diminishing returns.
Outinleftfield- As 45 year Cardinal fan I get a little nauseous when I see his face or him hear him speak.
I find it difficult to assess a front office because of lagging indicators (how much success was due to the prior FO, such as draft and development) and how much ownership is responsible. Mo seems good at least in some ways. He strikes me as a guy who can capitalize on a good transaction every year or so, but if the franchise needs an overhaul or a new direction maybe he’s not your man.
I’d say he’s the quarterback that needs a good running game. He won’t throw many interceptions, but he won’t air it out, either.
The problem with Mozeliak is he insisted on hiring managers with no experience. 3 managers in a row not one of them had big league experience managing. Sure everyone needs an opportunity but they shouldn’t be getting it with a contending team they should get it with a lesser team. Matheny was literally managing little league before he got the job. Then Schilt did a good job and Mozeliak fired him.
A good leader of an organization knows how to find other leaders and let them do what they do and Mozeliak failed in this regard.
I totally agree. But he was there in StL a LONG time. Its probably not possible to sustain an organization that long. His talent was down the draft. The teams were built right.
Oh..1000% a team effort Moz is the product of his staff. Scouts….etc. but anyone wanting to throw him off the Arch now needs to think about the past too.
See also: We have given out some contracts that didn’t work out on our end and it’s just not freaking fair that this guy we keep dumping on won’t just bail me out of this mess we created.
Arenado isn’t going anywhere anytime soon
Isn’t the chucklehead that whines incessantly about all of the Cubbies “bias” a Cardinals fan?
It is hysterical that the Cardinals roundup occurs right after yet another string of diatribes by the goofball in the preceding thread.
Yeah and this article is spun in a negative light. Really Mozeliak had nothing new to say at all but the writers here don’t want to miss a chance to talk about the Cardinals lowering payroll so here it is.
There is a term that we see used quite often today for a large subsection of society that lives in a world filled with little but grievance, whining and a made up world of false narratives, while riddled with contempt for others.
Make Arenado Great Again?
In my observation from the other side of the world, that term would be Democrats.
Astros fan neither party holds a monopoly on that. They’re both nothing more than the opposite sides of the same coin.
I disagree strongly, Joe. In normal times with normal liberal / conservative bents you are correct. And I would hardly state that liberals and Democrats are in any way above the fray whatsoever. They fail in most ways to a degree.
But the issue today is false equivalency. There is no moral or relative equivalence between the failings, the lies and the nonsense of magatville and the alt-right under the orange guy with a red hat, and that of the rest that are trying to at least remain democratic in nature and work towards ends that are not purely corrupt, power-seeking and autocratic by demand. The Dems are a mess as usual, but the crud that is entering office is self-serving and evil. And this from a former lifelong moderate republican. I will leave it at that, as no one is changing anyone’s mind on here, especially when the “minds” of those in magatville are wonky to begin with and thoroughly lacking in coherence.
Dang, these are some pretty deep thoughts for a Cardinal’s article. Ahahahahaha!
@BITA
Dude it’s newsworthy because an event just took place where the GM talked about the future of his team. He’s made it clear, several times in print, that his main intent this drain is to lower payroll and focus on youth development. You argue this point several times over the last month. Why ate you acting like this is a son job when he clearly says it in his own words.
Mozeliak said he was lowering payroll ONE TIME. It just seems like it’s more because every single article posted on this site mentions it.
Nobody has been traded. That’s not my opinion that’s a fact. Not one single player has been dealt. Not one.
So then he must still be trying to lower payroll. Cue the Arenado rumors…
He made the lowering payroll comments at the same time he declined the options for Lynn and Gibson and then Goldschmidt left. Payroll has already been lowered.
The timing of these reports aren’t “hysterical” at all. The Cubs and Cardinals are both having a winter event for fans this weekend.
Oooooooooooo, consiracy!
@eaton – In order to help your comprehension skills, please let me relate an old but true story in brief. My oldest buddy was half-Polish; life of the party kind of guy and he loved to tell Polish jokes. So, one evening we are all hanging out…5 or 6 couples; one girl has a new boyfriend that none of us had met. A really big guy; very nice but kinda’ quiet.
So eventually my buddy starts riffing with a bunch of his jokes; everyone is laughing and having a great time. But the new guy is getting quieter and quieter. Finally, my buddy asks him if everything is OK. New guy says, quietly….”well, I am Polish and I don’t really appreciate the jokes”. The room goes quiet.
My buddy pauses for a minute; looks at him thoughtfully, and says too him in all sincerity (remember, this guy is really a big dude): “Hey, I get it man – I am half-Polish and I have to deal with this as well. Tell ya’ what, my friend, let me start over again…when you get lost, I will slow it down and try to explain things for you”.
After a long heartbeat, the room lost it…including the new guy.
This whole Arenado saga is starting to sound like Charlie Brown’s teacher, “Waant Waant, Waant Waant, Waant Waant.”
Except, he earned the right to decide his future which is unbelievably difficult for an athlete to achieve. I don’t blame him one bit.
He earned that right, then sold those rights in a contract.
Except, no he didn’t. He clearly kept the no trade clause which is obviously very public knowledge. Are you sure you follow baseball?
That was negotiated into his contract, which he signed.
Try to keep up.
Didn’t Cardinals fans used to be smart?
He didn’t sign it with the Cardinals. Funny story, the Rockies GM at the time was the one who wanted to include a no trade clause (presumably to save a year on the contract and some bucks).
It’s a unique situation. He wants to be traded. He has a NTC. The Cardinals don’t have to trade him but they will once they find a fair deal. And if they find a fair deal Arenado has to say yes to it.
Yep, sports are a business and the owners win a LOT more often than the players do. I don’t fault him at all for not jumping at the first option with the questionable moves the Astros were making.
Please outline those “questionable moves”.
Not really all that unique. Not even unique in Arenado’s career.
People like to think of these guys as singular video game players. They have families. When you’re 10 years in and long tenure with a team. You’re often married. Your kids have been in the same school for years…have friends…stability.
There’s not many professions where someone can be traded to another city and really have zero say if they still want to have a career.
Exactly, and the average fan has absolutely no clue how hard these guys have worked to be the best of the best of the best and one of the most competitive industries in our society (since SO many kids play baseball). And then they expect them to waive the right to block a trade because it would help their favorite team out? There is no way on the planet that a reasonable person should be expected to please strangers over their own families well-being. That’s just silly.
How is this relevant? Arenado wants to leave.
He doesn’t want to leave. He wants a better situation, as evidenced by the small number of teams he is willing to be traded to.
If all he wanted was to leave, he would be gone.
I have no problem keeping Arenado, Gray, Fedde and Helsley and see how things go in the first half. My concern is that Mikolas and Matz are going to have rotation spots.
The idea that they need to open space to give Nolan Gorman 600 ABs at 3rd is a joke. I’m so effing sick and tired of watching guys strike out 35% of the time.
See if Mikolas would OK a trade to Miami and maybe they can unload him if they retain salary.
Mikolas can do what Lynn and Gibson did last year. He’s not a bad pitcher.
Matz can’t stay healthy but if he’s healthy he’s probably worth a rotation spot.
Gorman will get opportunities but he’s not getting 600 at bats.
Assuming both perform like last year, Mikolas is gone as soon as Mathews is ready.
Mikolas had some bad luck last year. I think he’s still gone at the deadline regardless but he’s not washed up imo.
My guess is Mikolas, Matz and Fedde are all dealt at the deadline. Some will have ore trade value than others and obviously Mikolas and Matz are paid well but they all get dealt.
Good gosh you guys need to chill with this nonsense narrative of the Cardinals needing to cut payroll. Arenado is being shopped BECAUSE HE ASKED TO BE TRADED! He’s not being shopped because the team is desperate to lower payroll. Thats an assumption this site has made all offseason time and time again and it’s not true.
BITA, please show where Arenado is forcing the issue. As I recall he has a no trade clause and is limiting where he will agree to go in response to the team’s desire to try to trade him (for whatever reason).
I don’t understand what you are saying
He asked to be traded Mozeliak admitted it in so many words. And since then Mozeliak admitted he’s trying to trade him. Arenado is definitely forcing the issue. Yes he’s picky and thats causing the holdup but he wants to be traded to a good team.
Arenado did not ask to be traded. Mo and Dewitt announced a payroll cut and finding a trade partner for Nado. It’s been widely reported this was initiated by Mo.
Cards1994 you are wrong
Arenado has a NTC just like Contreras and Gray.
If Arenado didn’t ask to be traded then why is Mozeliak so adamant about trading him?
Explain that. You cant.
To mitigate some of his gross contract
Who said Arenado is overpaid? He’s a good player.
If it’s about getting out of a gross contract why hasn’t Matz been dealt? He doesn’t have a NTC.
Would you willingly sign him to his remaining contract if he were a free agent? Of course not. He’s overpaid, by a lot
He’s making what Christian Walker is making and doesn’t cost a draft pick to sign.
He’s not overpaid.
$25MM/year for what he provides is overpaid
25 million a year isn’t what the team trading for him would have to pay.
They’d be in the hook for $74 million minus the $10 million the Rockies are covering
BITA; Matz doesn’t have anyone interested in him & his salary. Hard to make a trade in that case.
The Cardinals could eat half his salary and save the other half. Just because he’s overpaid doesn’t mean teams don’t want him or he can’t be traded.
BITA, also because he doesn’t think the team is ready to win and by the time they are, Arenado won’t be as good or a part of the team. Also, it could be a situation where he’s doing it to save face for Bloom. Obviously, Mo is a figurehead at this point and nothing gets done that Bloom isn’t on board with.
If the motivation for trading Arenado was the team isn’t ready to win then why haven’t they traded anyone else?
Its clear as day Arenado asked to be traded and that’s why Mozeliak is trying to trade him. Not sure he had to say this publicly but he did.
BITA. From what I read between these lines? It’s more a mutual thing. Seems like team goes to him. “We’re looking at a rebuild..we could use some prospects. We know you want to play in a winner. Is it ok to find a potential trade. Arenado responds…”Yeah, sounds good for everyone.” But of course he wants to have a real say.
Players notoriously like playing with the Cardinals.
We see management and players as too adversarial. Because that’s what makes good print. That’s just what I’m reading. But it comes from time in and around the game.
I think it’s more like Arenado came to them and asked to be traded. The team is looking at the glass half full and thinking about the money saved. But they don’t really want to deal him.
Arenado stated at seasons end, he wanted us to add players this offseason, with Goldy becoming a FA. AFTER, Mo approached the NTC’s about possibly being traded. Arenado did not ask STL to be traded.
Nozeliak stated at seasons end 1 player asked to be traded
Shortly after Mozeliak said he’s trying to trade Arenado
Arenado asked to be traded.
Careful. Joel will mute you if you don’t agree with everything he says 😉
Plus Joel says here they are not cutting payroll and below that they are. Split personality?
“According to Derrick Goold, St. Louis Cardinals’ third baseman Nolan Arenado has not requested a trade from the team.”
Arenado has not requested a trade, sources confirmed.”
Where and when did that quote come from???
I think you are making stuff up
It’s from an article on something called red bird rants that quotes the Goold reporter. The article is Dated 11/22.
It’s out there. Do your own research.
And actually any google search will tell you that Arenado did not request a trade. I think you may be the only one who says he did. Not the team, not the agent, not the reporter assigned to the team, not Nolan. Only you for some reason. I’m not making anything up. I think you may be though.
You have no idea what you are talking about
Mozeliak said publicly 1 player requested a trade
Shortly after this Mozeliak said publicly he’s trying to trade Arenado
You are quoting an article from a secondary source from 2 months ago.
Let’s try it this way. If Arenado doesn’t want to be traded and he has a NTC which of course makes it difficult why is Mozeliak trying so hard to trade him???
Okay. I guess the world should trust BiTA and not people who actually know things. Take your pettiness elsewhere. No wonder people here stay clear of you. I should have known not to engage with someone so unhinged.
I will say it again Rick
Arenado has a NTC just like Gray and Contreras do. And if you believe the reports Mozeliak asked Contreras and Gray and they said they didn’t want to wave it.
So why is Mozeliak trying so hard to trade Arenado?
It doesn’t make any sense dude. Think. Use your brain. Unhinge it if you have to.
He is annoying and can’t admit when he’s wrong.
It’s very important to Cards fans that their players all love to play on their team because they “play the right way, the Cardinals way” and would never ask for a trade. Cards fans are weird. Anyway, of course he asked to be traded. This isn’t even the first time he’s done so in his career.
BITA; If I remember correctly, I think Mo approached Arenado back in September or October on what the F.O.’s plans were for the 2025 season and if he would approve a trade if he didn’t want to be a part of it to a team of his liking. Arenado agreed to it. Mozeliak also talked to Gray & Contreras about the clubs plans & would they wave their N.T.C. They said no. So, this is why the Cardinals are trying to find a deal for Arenado but, he has the final say on it.
The team approached him about a trade. He didn’t request one, but is willing to work with the team. They want 3B for Walker or Gorman. That’s what this is about. Continuing to play both out of position is not the best outcome.
No that’s not true Styme. He’s asked to be traded. He requested the trade.
Walker will never play an inning at 3b. Gorman will get a shot but he’s probably destined for 1b long term.
When are you going to provide a link that shows any evidence of Arenado requesting a trade???
You ve been asked numerous times to back this claim, yet still nothing…
@BITA
You choose to ignore all the evidence shown. In previous posts I showed you the quote where the GM clearly days he wanted to move Arenando’s salary. Arenando, to his credit, didn’t demand a trade. He simply gave them a list of preferred locations he would Wayne his no- trade if they were able to make a deal. Why do you fight it so much?
What quote?
Arenado demanded a trade.
Mozeliak said publicly 1 player requested a trade. He said this i can find the quote if I have to.
Shortly after this Mozeliak said publicly hes trying to trade Arenado
You don’t know what you are talking about.
And why the heck do you care so much? I can explain why I care. Why do you care?
That doesn’t mean that Arenado was the one player requesting a trade. It’s entirely possible that a player requested a trade and then Mo said he was trying to trade Arenado. Those could be two entirely different circumstances.
Arenado has a NTC. Yet Mozeliak is making it priority number 1, 2 and 3 to trade him. That makes no sense unless he asked for a trade. Not to mention Arenado has a history of requesting a trade.
He requested a trade. Its a fact.
Cited your source then.
Come on Joel, if it’s a fact then support it…
It doesn’t need this complicated . St.louis should trade with the Mets now. Alonso is gone. So move vientos to first. Trade Nolan Arenado for starling marte. St.louis takes all martes cost (19 million) maybe possibly throw another 5 million or less… If that . Mets take arenado’s salary…
Bonus try to include Steven matz maybe .. problem solved
Marte isn’t a terrible fit for the Cardinals but I doubt they will take on his entire contract. I like the idea of working a deal out with the Mets. Matz is available at I imagine roughly half of his salary. Cardinals could use Mauricio and if not Marte either Siri or Tsylor would be a fit. Taylor particularly would be a good fit for the Cardinals.
The Cardinals do not want or need Marte.
Right handed hitting outfielder who can play center is definitely a need. My concern is Marte can’t play center anymore but he could still fit.
@BITA – Marte definitely can’t play center at this point in his career. He’s at this point a bad defensive RF.
Over the past 2 seasons, Marte’s played ~1,400 innings in RF and has been -12 runs by Statcast defensive metrics. That’s roughly Jordan Walker level RF defense.
Jordan Walker level defense lol.
Yeah Marte isn’t the best fit. Taylor is the guy I would like to have. He’s a nice little player.
Doesn’t matter if they want him. It’s all about bad contracts and financials. They take a hit of 20 million for one year and then they save 40 million in the long run. God they could just dfa him at that point. If the Mets were willing to go 58-70 for Alonso. They would definitely do 60 for arenado
I don’t think Arenados contract is all that bad. Like you just said in the next sentence I think he basically has neutral trade value but the Cardinals wouldn’t DFA him because then Arenado wouldn’t get to choose where he wants to go.
Arenado plus cash for either Mauricio or Taylor or both. That’s a deal that makes sense for the Cardinals.
I like both maurico and Taylor. But Taylor could go if they move Nimmo back to CF
U still have Siri too.
Side note. I think the Mets Mets up.. I would of not signed winker and AJ minter. If Alonso left, I would of signed Santander and tanner Scott
Nimmo wouldn’t have to play much center. Williams is coming soon. And can’t Acuna play center too?
I like the Mets as a trade partner, especially since they seem to be moving on from Alonso.
That contract is nowhere near neutral and he has years left and he’s in decline. If it was a one year deal he might be close to neutral.
His contract declines as he gets older. He’s only owed 15 million for 2027. And he’s only 34.
He’s owed $74MM, of which the Rockies are paying $10MM.
He would be contract neutral if he was owed $15MM/year for 3 years. He isn’t and that contract is underwater by about $30MM
Its 60 million when factoring in deferals and what the Rockies are paying.
Why are you so sure he’s worth 15 million and not 20 million? What the f do you know?
I know he can’t find a taker for what you think is a fair market contract. Not saying I’m right, but all the evidence seems to agree with me.
You have no idea what trades have been offered for Arenado. None. And I don’t either I don’t pretend to.
Alonso declining, arenado declining, marte declining… There all declining. So it doesn’t matter. One year and the cardinals would be free. It’s a wash for the Mets since they were going to sign Alonso for 3 yrs no opt outs. At least arenado gives u defense which is more of what sterns is looking for
Neutral trade value doesn’t offer to pay down by 15mil.
It does if you get back 15 million worth of other players or prospects.
Sorry Matt, but the team can get more than just Marte. Did you mean they would have to pay down Arenado’s contract to facilitate that deal? That’s also not happening unless the Mets through in Acuna (not happening either). Marte can still hit and has a great arm still but cannot play RF any more in most parks. He’s tradable perhaps to the Yankees in my view for Stroman if the Mets would take him back and even then, his triggering option for 26 likely would force the Yankees to pay down the contract
Mets don’t want marte . He can’t run. Injury prone. Slaps singles and outfield play has declined . They are better off getting Santander (hope I spelled his name right) the switch hitter from Baltimore. The Mets would throw batey in if they want a prospect. They are happy with acuna and marrico
I like it.
It seems the Yankees could really use Arenado because they need another infielder and could use Matz because they need a LH relief pitcher. The Cardinals could take Stroman and his salary and this could be a foundation for a trade. Other details would need to be worked out.
This club has grown stagnant under Mozeliak; firing Mike Schildt for a DEI hire was a big mistake.
None of that happened. Schildt shot off his mouth to the wrong people. He thought being “Manager of Year” meant he could tell his bosses what they were going to do.
What did he say behind people’s back?
I don’t know if he said anything behind people’s backs.
According to comments made by Bernie Miklasz, Schildt said something about the direction of the club, things he wanted to happen.
The front office wanted other things and he was fired.
Bernie has close, off-the-record relationships with the owner (DeWitt) and the POBO (Mozeliak). He hasn’t said what it was, but he has made comments about Schildt becoming “too big for his britches.”
I don’t know how contentious it became, or if Schildt really did anything wrong. It basically came down to a boss telling an employee, “We’re not doing it your way, we’re doing it our way.”
None of us know the sticking point(s), but the Cardinals haven’t been successful since Schildt was fired.
In some respects, Schildt and others can always say, “Mo was wrong,” but we don’t know the particulars.
The failures of this organization are many. The firing of Schildt played a role, but I doubt it’s the main reason this team has failed.
MLB teams don’t DEI hire major positions. That’s a joke.
Keep your racist DEI talk to yourself please.
freddiemeetgibby;
Apparently you didn’t have a house in Pacific Palisades or other areas of LA.
P.S. You piled on. Stop.
Silly take to say Schildt was replaced for a DEI hire. They wanted a “yes” man as manager, had nothing to do with DEI.
Mozeliak has been open abut the team’s intentions of cutting payroll and giving more playing time to younger players in 2025, even if the PBO and other Cardinals’ officials have stopped short of officially considering next season a rebuilding year. During the Winter Meetings, Mozeliak candidly said that “It’s my intention to try” and trade Arenado to aid in this process, and Arenado was tacitly on board with these endeavors, though Arenado ultimately has control over his own fate via his no-trade clause.
This right here. This is garbage. Mozeliak said the priority is trading Arenado. He didn’t say why the priority is trading Arenado but it’s quite clear it’s because Arenado asked to be traded. Yet this site ignores that and pretends the reason behind trading Arenado is to lower payroll and makes up this false narrative.
That’s garbage
They ignore your suspicion because there is no evidence to support it. Arrenado did not request a trade, no matter how many times you keep saying it.
He requested a trade. I guarantee it
Earlier in the offseason Mozeliak said 1 player had requested a trade and he didn’t specify what player. Shortly after that Mozeliak said they are actively looking to trade Arenado.
He requested a trade. That’s the truth. It’s not shocking he requested a trade out of Colorado. Mozeliak publicly said they are cutting payroll and Arenados hometown team just won the championship. He wants to go to the Dodgers specifically. Hes said so with Instagram posts.
Lol what offseason? They haven’t done anything!
The following is a quote from the Jeff Jones article:
“[Trading Arenado] does give us some financial flexibility on perhaps adding to areas that we weren’t able to do so far,” he said. “So obviously bullpen, if we decided to look for a right handed bat with some thump, something like that. But it really just gives us some financial relief in a stressful environment right now.”
Mo is sometimes difficult to interpret, but sounds to me like adding a reliever and a right-handed bat are at least somewhat contingent on getting payroll relief from Arenado’s salary.
I think the team is adding a reliever and a right handed hitting outfielder no matter what. But the quality of those players could certainly be contingent on trading Arenado and how much money that frees up. Thanks for sharing the quote.
What on earth are we doing??
Either spend the capital to push this team into real contention, or reset by trading guys like Helsley & Fedde and reload for 2026. Either option is better than standing pat when this roster is clearly not a legitimate contender for a post season run.
Idk if it’s the Dewitt’s pressuring to reduce the budget, or Mo being entirely incompetent, but PLEASE DO SOMETHING
I only come here for the BITA comments.
Lindor
Well he had 13 posts on the MLBTR Cubs post earlier this afternoon and he has 12 posts here. BITA obviously thinks each of his 25 posts this afternoon provides kernels of wisdom for the rest of us. [Insert laughing emoji here.]
“But clearly, as we get closer to Jupiter, that is something we will have to touch on.”
I wonder how the ball carries on Jupiter.
This site Is a completely and unappologized fraud, undoubtely controlled by the commissioner’s office. They did not allowed any comments on Sasaki’s signing with the Dodgers. What a shame and absence of balls!!!!
Huh? At the moment it says there are 1014 comments on that post.
Is anybody else kind of mad they have now decided to not trade fedde, helsley? The team as constructed has little chance of the playoffs and about zero chance of a world series. Helsley and fedde’s value will probably not be higher. So you can only get current value or worse. Matz, mikolas and arenado could actually up their value since they don’t have much now. I’d hold those 3 eventhough it blocks the youngsters. But the other 2 could fetch nice pieces now. The half measures with this team is bizarre
If an 83 win team has zero chance of winning then what are all the other teams in the league doing?
Nice word salad from Mozeliak who, were it not for the presence of Perry Minasian, would be the worst GM/PBO in the game. Standing pat with a losing squad should be unacceptable to Cardinals fans.
I’m just here for the Mo-hate.
“Fedde is owed $7.5MM in 2025, while Matz is owed $12MM and would likely be more of a salary-dump candidate given his injuries and struggles in recent years. Helsley will receive $8.2MM in his final season of team control. While all have substantial salaries, the $27.2MM total is only slightly less than the $27MM owed to Arenado in 2025, ”
The total is $27.7M and like your incorrect number of $27.2M is slightly more, not less, than what is owed to Arenado.
BITA/Blackpink should apologize to MLBTR writers after his complaint fest on the Cubs article. Whining about how the favorite team of the writers gets coverage while his precious cardinals get nothing. Now he has two articles at the top of the feed.
Two nonsense articles that portray the Cardinals in a negative light.
Get lost dude
The cardinals have done nothing to deserve being portrayed in a positive light. It’s just an update.
Just apologize for being a boomer.
They have done nothing. Period. Why there is post after post about their offseason when no moves have been made is anyone’s guess.
@Joel How is this painting the Cardinals Ina negative light? It’s an article relating to Mo speaking on where the team stands this point in the offseason. Would you like it to praise them for all the additions they have not made??? You are seriously unhinged…
There are problems all around. Is it Mo’s fault he can’t deal Arenado? If I were a GM would I want to trade for a guy who was average last season? Arenado needs to own his recession at the plate. If he wants out of St. Louis, go work out with Driveline or someplace to get his bat speed up, have a great 1st half, rebuild value and then get traded. Also MO is lying about spending if they do send Arenado somewhere, they won’t be getting any new players of note even post Arenado. The got screwed out of $20 million on their TV deal. And they need another $20 million to fix their minor league programs. They are going to start behaving like the Angels and rushing folks to the majors to fill holes on the cheap.
Does Mo even care?, since he’s a lame duck.
Mozeliak has run this once proud Midwest organization into ground. I remember growing up, they always had strong teams, n there was a “Cardinal way” of doing things. Pitching, great D, n they were very aggressive on basepaths. Beat u w/their smallball. Always competitive n had ability to hang w/big market teams. Players would give St Louis home discount just to stay. Always talked about their home field advantage w/great fan support.
Niekro floater;
Best, most rational, truthful post on here.
Mo obliterated the Cardinals Way, and moved anyone out that wanted to continue it.
He’s a lame duck GM that has been tasked with doing his best to clean up his messes, which will give Chaim as clean a slate to work with as possible.
I have no idea why people on this chatroom keep posting about the Cardinals chances in 2025, and why they need to spend more money and sign yet more veterans on the backside of their careers to large long-term contracts. In which those veterans will spend a good portion of time on the IL. Those moves will further hamper the Cardinals FO from flexibility to build a winning team over the next 3-5 years.
The Cardinals and Jays are the same team. The inept baseball heads kept giving out long-term contracts to over-the-hill players in FA and salary-dump trades for years, and their fans are mad that they aren’t doing more of it.
Ok after literally 15 years, I no longer have any excuses for Mo. He is lost if he’s hanging on to all of these guys. TRADE THESE EXPIRING CONTRACTS!
The only thing I want to hear from him is he’s leaving early. His performance over the past 3-4 years has been abysmal.
The team won 93 games and won the division in 2022 on the backs of 2 guys that he went and traded for in Arenado and Goldschmidt.
Come on dude
Cardinals could easily compete for the NL Central with current roster. I’m looking forward to a pennant race this year.
Terrible editing. It talks about the Cardinals looking for power and Nootbaar, Saini and Scott positively in the same paragraph. Clearly the author is not intentionally eluding to any of this as power options.
This would never happen but if the cardinals would take Jeimer Candelario and Emilio Pagan I’d love for Cincinnati to get Nolan Arenado to play 3rd.
I don’t want to hear from the Cardinals how disappointed they are with the fans this year for not showing up. With this team that will battle the Pirates to stay out of the NLC cellar no one cares. I don’t care how many Yadi, Pujols, Gibson or Edmonds bobblehead giveaways they have; people aren’t showing up..
He has a no trade clause, thus he controls his future. Your turn: how has he “sold those rights”?
I can’t wait to hear your explanation, “smart” guy.