The Giants were known to have had interest in Kyle Tucker before the Astros traded the outfielder to the Cubs, and The Athletic’s Andrew Baggarly shared some details on that pursuit plus the new information that the Giants were one of the many teams who talked to the White Sox about Garrett Crochet. San Francisco “made legitimate offers” for both Tucker and Crochet, Baggarly writes, “to the point that [the Giants] were said to feel a bit uncomfortable with the players they were willing to sacrifice.” However, neither offer included top prospect Bryce Eldridge, and thus no trades materialized since the Astros and Sox each viewed Eldridge’s inclusion as “a prerequisite.”
Eldridge was the 16th overall pick of the 2023 draft, and he has already hit .292/.379/.514 with 29 home runs over 649 plate appearances in the minors even before he turned 20 years old last October. This hot hitting saw Eldridge moved up the ladder to four different affiliates during the 2024 season, though it is worth noting that his numbers dropped off (in small sample sizes) as he played higher levels of minor league ball. Eldridge had a more modest .785 OPS in 40 PA with Double-A Richmond and then a .601 OPS in 35 PA with Triple-A Sacramento.
Since he has already reached Triple-A, it isn’t out of the question that Eldridge’s MLB debut could come during the 2025 season, especially given how San Francisco was already aggressive with his early promotions. LaMonte Wade Jr. is a free agent next winter and has been the subject of trade speculation even this offseason, so the path should soon be clear for Eldridge as the Bay Area’s first baseman of the future. While the Giants will naturally want to see him post better numbers in the upper minors before calling him to the Show, it is easy to see the potential in the 6’7″, 223-pound first baseman.
Eldridge fits the mold of a classic left-handed slugger, and scouting reports from both MLB Pipeline and Baseball America praise his huge power and his mature approach at the plate. Pipeline and BA each place Eldridge 35th in the most recent editions of their league-wide top-100 prospects rankings. He is the only Giants minor leaguer in Baseball America’s rankings, while Pipeline also has James Tibbs III (the 13th overall pick of the 2024 draft) 88th on their list.
In either case, Eldridge is certainly the top prospect in a San Francisco farm system that is considered to be relatively thin, so it isn’t surprising that the Giants aren’t eager to move him in any trades. Obviously this is a big roadblock in negotiations, since as Baggarly notes, “any team dangling a solid-average everyday player or better is going to start by asking for Eldridge — and not likely to move off that position.”
The White Sox were known to be focusing on young position players in exchange for Crochet, and indeed three of the four prospects Chicago received from the Red Sox in the trade package were position players. As per Pipeline’s rankings of San Francisco’s farm system, the Giants are slightly deeper in position players than pitchers, though not to the level of Boston’s depth. Likewise, the Cubs still have a wealth of position players in their minor league system even after moving Cam Smith as part of the Tucker trade.
Giants president of baseball operations Buster Posey and GM Zack Minasian have yet to complete a trade in their limited time leading the San Francisco front office, though in the view of rival executives, Baggarly hears the Giants have been “hyperactive in attempting to generate trade dialogue.” Since questions remain about how much ownership is willing to commit to the payroll this season, the trade market could therefore be the Giants’ best method of adding talent to the roster, though that creates another layer of complication if other teams are chiefly focused on Eldridge among the minor league prospects. As Baggarly frames the situation, some other front offices have been trying to see if they can get Posey or Minasian to bite on an unfavorable trade out of sheer inexperience, which has “led to a few opening offers…that have amounted to non-starters and time wasters.”
In terms of other trade candidates, Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle details some of the players the Giants could still look to pry away from rival teams, and reports that the Giants “had some interest” in Cubs second baseman Nico Hoerner earlier this winter. The past-tense phrasing, however, indicates that San Francisco moved on after signing Willy Adames as the new everyday shortstop, so Tyler Fitzgerald now looks to move from shortstop to second base.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Giants and blue jays, always links but never finishes
AndyWarpath
Willy adames, Matt Chapman, Blake snell
Paleobros
Arson Judge, Carlos Correa, Kyle Tucker, Garret Crochet
Boe Jiden
Ohtani, Yamamoto, Stanton, Harper
laynestaley2002
Miles Mikolas, Stephen Matz, Matt Carpenter, Taylor Motter
deweybelongsinthehall
Pale and Boe, you both need to be realistic as most were never going to SF or Toronto like Soto was never going to Boston. Stanton has a full no trade, the Dodgers were always the Japanese players, Judge was never going anywhere and with Correa the deal was done until the medicals came up.
boachthecoach
Stephen Piscotty, Kolton Wong, Edmundo Sosa, Jeremy Hazelbaker
Big whiffa
@ Paleobros, I’ll take Eldridge over every single player you mentioned. He cleared 3 minor league levels in one season. He’s a sure fire elite prospect
deweybelongsinthehall
Big, he just might not be ready. At his age, let him dictate by his play. While it was a very small sample, his AAA production in a hotter’,s environment suggests he may need more time. That is one thing that is on his side…
Ernie Riles
only 35 AB’S in AAA. Not much of an indicator.
larkraxm
No such thing as sure fire! Injuries are not fireproof.
Big whiffa
I agree ! He will most likely start in double A. He projecting to make the team next season thou and with giants desire to win – they won’t be holding him back. His high K rate will play at 1st due to his power potential so I can see him get the call up early and have a chance to play for rookie of year and first year player awards
Jean Matrac
larkraxm, I agree. There’s no guarantee that Eldridge will live up to his potential, and there’s no guarantee that Tucker won’t spend a lot of time on the IL.
seamaholic 2
He was good-not-great in AA and AAA. I’d hold you sure fire horses there, pardner.
seamaholic 2
I don’t see a better hitter than Wade tbh. Maybe. Potential is there, but I see no sure thing at all and median outcome is below what you have at that position.
larkraxm
There is certainly the risk that any/every player will spend time on the IL. I have no problem with the Giants not wanting to mortgage the future for one year of a player coming off an injury plagued season.
Fenway 1
Taylor motter is a nice pull
Candlestoked
@paleobros Although OP said never, sfb.
Simm
Not sure I’d use the word cleared 3 minor league stops. He barely played in some of those stop and didn’t hit all that well on some of those stops.
Then you add in the jump to the big leagues and plenty of player fail that looked good in single a.
youngliam
Why would they give up their next big call-up for a year of Tucker? That would be the most idiotic move possible.
danumd87 2
I don’t disagree but given the lack of prospects in their system he’s the only real chip they have to acquire an impact player via trade.
Whifff
Wow. If you can flip a first baseman for a pitcher that gives you an outstanding chance to win every 5th day, I’m pulling that trigger. Especially if that 1B is only a prospect and that stud pitcher is cheap.
larkraxm
Crochet is hardly a stud. He had a few months of success as a converted starter and then wanted an extension before pitching any innings for a contender. That seems risky to me, not a free win every 5th day.
willthethrill22
Other teams trying to take advantage of the inexperienced (but fortunately not stupid) front office certainly at least partially explains the relative quiet of the Giants off season since signing Adames early on ! Stay strong Posey, no reason to sacrifice the future just for the sake of making headlines!!
Blah blah blah
Hm, great point. Experienced GMs cleverly out-maneuvered the non-traditional GMs like Dave Stewart and Brodie Van Wagenen and they were driven out of the profession rather quickly. Posey holding firm is a good sign for SF fans.
Fred2023
To his credit, BVW did some useful/creative things with the Mets. He got shoved out when the new regime took over.
davemlaw
Yes!
For non Giant fans unfamiliar with Eldridge, he’s quite impressive to see! 6’7″ with a full beard and he just turned 20 years old. He’s the most exciting Giant prospect in a long time, perhaps since Buster. The potential of a homegrown Judge is worth hoping on.
Tucker would’ve been great but I’m happy SFG stood firm and held onto Eldridge.
semut
lol what relevance is his “full beard”?
davemlaw
Hey good buddy, it’s part of his overall impressiveness.
If I had time and crayons I’d draw you a picture. Perhaps you can do a search? Take care and bless you.
semut
I’ve seen him, I just don’t see what relevance his beard has to his overall accolades and baseball prowess
tikiagedola
If he had an ugly girlfriend, would that make him less of a prospect for you?
poopdollar
Why would you draw a picture of Eldridge and his beard with crayons?
That makes him impressive? You’re a weirdo.
oldgfan
Someone going by poopdollar calling someone else a weirdo ? Classic.
poopdollar
Oh? So you understand how drawing a picture of a prospect with crayon means something.
Someone going by Old Girlfriend An? Classic
Pike
Put that drawing and a piece of jersey in a player card and baby we’ve got a stew going…
Candlestoked
Fear the beard.
30 Parks
Giants should have made that deal. Acquiring Tucker would be worth the uncomfortable vibes.
The Usual Suspect
For 2 or 3 years of Tucker? Maybe. But for 1? Given how far away from contending they probably are? No.
Reyday
What about 2 years of Crochet for cheap? I honestly think that’d b worth it. 1b is not a tough position to fill at all, and there’s no telling if his swing will translate to the next level at all star level.
Justanotherstrosfan
“First base isn’t hard to fill at all.” If that’s the case how about looking at Abreu and Alonso and others. Toronto gets offers all the time for Vlad Jr. The job is a lot harder to fill with someone that has the ability and athleticism than most people think. The league is filled with passable first basemen that play more AAAA than stars.
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
If it costs Eldridge, I’d rathe the Giants take their chances with Harrison & Birdsong, both of whom I believe will be better long-term than Crochet.
I’m extremely low on the Crochet train, and while I think the return Boston gave was not good, either, I don’t think Crochet will be very good for them.
oldgfan
SFG depth is young starting pitching.
Why trade for more of the same.
Agree some of the birds in hand is probably going to be better than a crochet bush. Especially in the long game. One year of Tucker ? Hard Pass. Good job Buster !
Bruin1012
The return the White Sox got for Crochet was outstanding. Boston imo overpaid a bit to get there man it’s highly unlikely the Giants could beat that offer.
Reyday
It’s literally one of the easiest positions to fill though? It’s not debatable it just is, and why would they grab Alonso or others when they still have Eldridge. If he’s traded for Crochet and then they sign Alonso for say a 3-4 year deal I think that puts them in much better position to win, without totally gutting the future as well. A lot of people overvalue prospects and the saving for the future but this team is ready to win now with a few additions.
rememberthecoop
Based on what, intuition? It sure as hell isn’t based on the numbers. Crochet appears to be a legit #1 starter.
rememberthecoop
Yeah, while I wanted to see Hoyer take a big swing for a change, I didn’t like giving you Cam Smith for 1 year of Tucker. Now, if the Cubs were ready to win then maybe. But they lack an ace starting pitcher, a closer and now a third baseman. I know, Matt Shaw; but his arm is too fringy for the hot corner.
SweetCubbieBlue
It’s important to have good players at any position but his point is valid. It’s the deepest, therefore the easiest position on the field to fill.
boachthecoach
His arm still isn’t built up. Hasn’t even cracked the 150 inning mark
goldenstatelaw
They are not overvalued- they are valued. The giants aren’t competing for a chip and if Eldridge hits like it appears his value is exponentially better.
Reyday
Giants most likely aren’t going to be competiting for the Chip in the years Eldridge is playing anyway. They have one of the worst farms in majors and Dodgers aren’t going to be bad anytime soon. So I really don’t see the difference waiting 2-3 years till the kid really starts producing (if he does) and you have a 2-3 year window with him vs opening the window now for at least 2 years.
merrilld
That would be funny
30 Parks
Usual: Giants need to change the narrative. They have trouble landing free agents. Acquire Tucker & extend him – Giants need a new approach to acquiring talent.
boachthecoach
Ah yes, because it’s so easy to do that. Look how easy the Yankees did that! Oh wait
Edcheffsfungo
The only way they’re getting left handed power is through the farm and they know it. That’s their approach
KnicksFanCavsFan
@30
Didn’t Tucker announce he intended on testing the FA market?
30 Parks
Knicks: that’s just good bargaining strategy – “going to free agency.” Every player should say the same. Mookie Betts said likewise – it’s bargaining. I’d take a chance on Tucker – he’s a rare talent. Giants have the money.
30 Parks
Boach: the Yankees didn’t resign Soto, so the Giants shouldn’t take a relative risk on Tucker? Makes no sense. Giants need to be bold – endless half measures in San Francisco.
boachthecoach
No, the giants shouldn’t dump the farm for a year where they aren’t nearly as close to a WS run as the yanks were this past year, with a 0% guarantee he will resign. That is stupid
Jean Matrac
There are far more guys that went to free-agency than signed an extension. For every time someone like Mookie Betts, or Jose Altuve was extended, you have multiple numbers of guys like Juan Soto, Aaron Judge, Shohei Ohtani, Blake Snell, Pete Alonso, Corbin Burnes, Alex Bregman, etc., etc., I could go on, that did test free-agency.
The Usual Suspect
@ 30. You realize the player actually has a say in the matter? It’s not just the team’s narrative.
Simm
I wouldn’t have traded him for one year of Tucker…saying 2-3 years maybe? It would have taken a hell of a lot more than him for 2-3 years of Tucker.
Mark in L A
One year of tucker w/ no guarantee he’d re-sign .. for loss of eldredge ?? Nein !
boachthecoach
Absolutely not. 1 year of Tucker is not nearly equivalent
revolver
Remember when the Giants refused to trade that sure fire catching prospectvfor a couple years? How’d that work out?
boachthecoach
Remember when they traded Bryan Reynolds for half a year of Andrew McCutchen? Zach Wheeler for a year of Carlos Beltran? Luis Castillo for Casey McGehee? I can keep going
Jean Matrac
Remember when the Giants traded that prospect for a one year rental, Andrew McCutchen? How’d that work out?
And remember when the Giants traded that top pitching prospect for another one year rental, Carlos Beltran? How’d that work out?
YankeesBleacherCreature
No. Holding onto six years’ worth of a promising Eldridge is not worth one year of Tucker. Neither was two years of Crochet. Posey made the right call making him untouchable.
Fenway 1
How do you not trade an unproved 1st baseman primary, for a top outfielder or future ace?? They have shown willingness to spend. Extending them shouldn’t have been tough.
boachthecoach
What? He’s 20 and already one of the best hitters in the minors with 6 more years of control. Trading that for a pitcher with 2 years of control or a top outfielder with 1 year of control is beyond stupid. See Bryan Reynolds
Fenway 1
Just an idea but how about you extend him once you got him?
Jean Matrac
You make extending him sound easy. There’s no way Tucker signs an extension. He will test free-agency. There’s no way the Cubs extend him. They may be able to re-sign him, but then maybe not. It’s their gamble now, but an extension is out of the question.
boachthecoach
lol yeah because that went so well when the Yankees tried to do it with Soto
revolver
See Joey Bart
Jean Matrac
See Bryan Reynolds and Zack Wheeler.
seamaholic 2
He was one of the best hitters IN HIGH A. His ranking is all about ceiling – i.e. age – and he wasn’t nearly as good in AA.
boachthecoach
Yes, that’s what prospect rankings are. Hope this helps!
Big whiffa
Unproven ? Dude cleared 3 minor league levels in one season ! Go check the history of players doing that. Acuna and Soto come to mind ! Eldridge would be the blue chip prospect the white sox claimed they were gonna get but didn’t. Eldridge alone would have been a bigger haul than the whole package the Red Sox gave. He’s that good
Fenway 1
By the end of next year Montgomery is probably more valuable than Eldridge. teel might not have a crazy high ceiling but is an everyday quality catcher in the making so what are you talking about?
Big whiffa
Montgomery, who’s older than Eldridge and never played pro ball before ? By the time Eldridge is Montgomerys age – he’s projected to be the majors. So absolutely no chance that happening unless Eldridge spends the next two seasons on the IR
If you go back through the past 15 years of prospect rankings- you’ll find 30 catchers or more ranked higher than teel. Only two that panned out is posey and ruschman. What makes teel in their group instead of the next catcher who hits 210 and 20 homers over 400 at bats ?
Can you back up your point ? Or are you just a Red Sox homer ??
Fenway 1
Eldridge plays a position not of much value overall. You’re telling me if you signed Alonso you wouldn’t have traded him for crochet or tucker?? What happens if Eldridge doesn’t pan out. I never said Montgomery and teel were untouchable. They have value and breslow had the balls to make the deal.
Bruin1012
Teel already hit AAA while he struggled to start his tenure there he finished very strong. He hit .375/.516/.542 he walked at 22% clip and struck out at a 14% clip. He’s going to be a good big leaguer he’s a line drive hitting machine who will most likely hit in the big leagues. He’s extremely athletic quick pop times and is learning to handle a pitching staff. He’s going to be a good big league catcher and probably as early as this year. He’s a top 25 prospect and he’s hit AAA already the White Sox got a good one.
Big whiffa
You can’t sign Alonso. The floor is too high on Eldridge
And breslow made a great trade ! He kept all 3 blue chip prospects in a trade that required a blue chip prospect. He’s ballin in Boston rn. Their farm just exploded ! Campbell and Eldridge have the same trajectory and are both untouchable. Breslow also has done a great job being patient. RS fans put a ton of pressure on them to win every year but they needed to be patient and now it’s about to pay off !
Bruin1012
Teel is a blue chip prospect and a very likely big league catcher. I do agree Breslow did what he had to do ownership isn’t helping his quest.
Big whiffa
No catcher is a blue chip prospect. In fact, they should take catchers out of prospect lists all together and give them their own ranking. 90%+ of catchers do not live up to their rankings yet the generate other value that’s not measurable in ranking prospects
Bruin1012
Dude cleared High A he was pushed through AA after 40 plate appearances he didn’t earn his promotion to AAA in 40 plate appearances. He was clearly overmatched in AAA by advanced pitchers. He should start in AA this season as a 20 year old and show he can handle AA pitching before being promoted. I’m sure they will keep him at AAA but what they going to do if he continues to struggle.
Big whiffa
He cleared A and high A. Had 130 hits in a 116 games as a teen – remarkable stat ! 20+ homers- remarkable. And 92 rbi. All of those rank at tops in minors
His comp is Wood from Washington who started last season in top 10. Do you know who Montgomery’s comp is ? NO ONE bc he’s never played pro baseball before
Bruin1012
Big I’m not arguing that he’s a good prospect he is a good prospect. My argument is he didn’t earn a promotion to AAA after an uninspiring 40 plate appearances in AA.
Obviously Eldridge is a really good prospect and SF probably shouldn’t trade him. My argument is he didn’t blow through three levels he earned his promotion to AA he did not earn his promotion to AAA. Feels a little like the Padres and rushing Ethan Salas when he clearly didn’t earn it.
tikiagedola
Rbi’s? lol
Big whiffa
He most likely got the call when the 2A season ended
Simm
Yes this happens. Minor league seasons end and high quality prospects get pushed up to be able to keep playing.
That doesn’t mean he cleared a leveler though.
This issue is his value will be held down by the position he plays. Everyone loves war and war is harder to come by at 1b.
These really big humans 6’7” can struggle with holes in their swings that good pitchers can exploit. He has a long ways to go but I wouldn’t trade him. I don’t see the giants as a push all the chips on team atm.
willthethrill22
I’m sure there will be a lot of people posting here with the old tired “Giants can’t finish a deal” trope. But with the Adames signing — admittedly not Judge, Soto, or Ohtani — Giants critics should change their tune. Also, blaming Posey for the mistakes of Zaidi is irrelevant. Haters and trolls gonna hate. Giants’ fans should just ignore them.
oldgfan
I do.
Off season is not finished yet, and the Posey regime has just begun.
Redwolves3
True Giants fans stay the course! I have since days of Willie Mays & won’t waiver now
Posey might be a first time President of Baseball Operations however he’s smart enough to do what’s best to make the Giants competitive & contenders once again. Neither will Posey be taken advantage of just to sign FA or make trades that aren’t in the best interest of the Giants
boachthecoach
It’s the going price for a top 10 shortstop
amk1920
Adames is not worth nearly 200 million dollars. His offensive game relies on power which will be dismished by Oracle. That contract could be a disaster
Pete'sView
Not at all. See Adames spray chart and realize that it’s left handed hitters that have a tougher time at Oracle.
Simm
I’ll say he won’t hit 30 homers. The giants streak will still be alive after the season.
johncoltrane
Right call by SF. Eldridge is an elite prospect
I think cubs/sox will regret giving away cam & teel
junkwax
Montgomery was the real steal in that Crochet deal. We’ll be kicking ourselves for a loooooooooong time for letting him go.
johncoltrane
Yes braden has alot of potential too
I generally dont see the value in sending away great prospects for 1 or 2 yrs of an elite player who likely wont remain with the tm
junkwax
I don’t even consider Crochet a proven commodity yet. Sure, he had a nice half of a season, then was on an innings limit and performance fell off. I think it was a giant overpay. I hope he works out, but his chances of success are worse than other established options.
johncoltrane
I think boston made the move in desperation bc they failed to sign soto. They had to make a splash
Coulda been even worse tho. They coulda sent kristian , marcelo or roman. I feel bad for braden/teel. I’m not sure they develop as well as they could have in the redsox organization
junkwax
Last desperation move had us sign Trevor Story on an overpay when everyone else passed because they knew he was cooked. That’s turned out sooooooooo well.
Bruin1012
No Breslow made the move because ownership is on record on how much they don’t want to give long term contracts to 30 year old free agent pitchers. He overpaid to get his guy. Teel will be felt he was a big loss. The Red Sox are absolutely loaded in the outfield only so many positions to go around. It would be nice to have Montgomery he’s might be really good we really don’t know it will all come down to hit tool. Breslow put a package together that wasn’t going to be beat. I’m sure he would have preferred to get Burnes and Fried and keep Teel and the other prospects but ownership wasn’t going to green light that. Breslow did what he had to do to get his guy.
DarkSide830
That deal was highway robbery for CHW. Shame they can’t develop prospects worth a darn…
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
Nah, the Red Sox didn’t give away any stars in the Crochet deal.
Teel is a run-of-the-mill catcher, and I doubt he’s good enough offensively or defensively to provide much value. And the rest of that return was bad, bad, bad. (Montgomery’s injury is massively concerning, as are reports of his slow recovery from it). Meidroth is AWFUL.
I think giving up Cam Smith and Paredes for a year of Kyle Tucker was colossally stupid, though.
johncoltrane
@jaso
Teel coulda been next adley with redsox
He’s been v solid in minors so far
He’s probly doomed with whitesox
And what reports are you reading abt braden?? I havent seen anything even remotely concerning abt his ankle . In fact when the trade happened he said he’s running & sprinting & ready for 2025. If not for the ankle he woulda been a top 5 pick
junkwax
Medroith is a sleeper in all of that. Can get on base at a very good clip and is solid defensively. He could turn out to be another Youk.
Also, all reports I’ve seen about Montgomery’s recovery have been positive and that he’s on track for a normal spring training.
Blah blah blah
Cam Smith has already been moved off 3B to corner OF. He hits a lot of ground balls and doesnt project for more than 15 HR a year.
Paredes is a park-specific player and below average defender at 3B, belongs at 1B.
All reports of Teel praise his framing and receiving, and his above average athleticism will have him a plus defender at C, and of course, Montgomery has monster potential.
Redwolves3
Unlike Zaidi (who I never trusted to succeed), Posey will only sign FA or make trades that won’t make the Giants better.
Posey’s not going to be taken advantage of just because he’s a first time President of Baseball Operations. He can walk away (like he did with Eldridge) when he’s feels the Giants won’t benefit
Simm
Red- Posey will only sign FA or make trades that won’t make the giants better.
I’m sure he eventually will make a move that will make the giants better.
mab51357
Don’t want Eldridge included in any trade. I don’t think Posey would ever let that happen. Also not hearing Kim from Padres being mentioned by any teams lately. I think he stays in San Diego.
willthethrill22
Totally agree.
revolver
How do the Padres afford Kim? They’re trying to shed payroll.
dougjay
San Diego management is a little disappointed with him last season after the amazing season prior to that. Not only was he bad at the plate he was really bad in the infield which gave them real cause for concern. It’s normal for batters to fluctuate from year to year but when you’re an AllStar-capable infielder every year and then you just fall apart out of nowhere it gives a real concern to management that something else is going on.
The amount of money they’d save on him they could resign Tanner Scott or one of their many bullpen arms
John Bird
Fangraphs rates Eldridge’s power potential as 70/80. With as much trouble the Giants have had signing power hitters it make no sense to trade the one legit power hitting prospect in the system. The idea that you could extend Tucker…for a below market rate, no less…is incredibly naive. Trading from their surplus of pitching prospects make more sense but apparently other teams don’t value them as much as the Giants do.
Datashark
Giants do not have the farm depth to trade from as they have many holes to plug in mlb team – they currently are built for 75-81 wins
outside 3B/SS – they lack power / run producers
willthethrill22
I’m gonna be cautiously optimistic that, with the return of Lee, plus Adames and Chapman on the left side, plus their young starting pitchers being one year more mature, the Giants will finally break their .500 rut. I’m guessing 82-88 wins in 2025. But I do look for regressions from Fitzgerald, Ramos, and Tyler Rogers.
Simm
You say the win total is going up and then list 3 of the giants best players from last year who will be worse.
boachthecoach
Ramos is a top 10 LF and Fitz damn near had a 20/20 season in less than 100 games, we’ll be fine once Eldridge is ready
Datashark
Ramos while having a nice long awaited break out – he is still unproven to be able to be viewed as that long term — this season will be telling if he is the power hitting outfielder they lacked.
Fitz I hope will turn out but I saw him come on like gangbusters then drop off late in season
junkwax
Is Jairo Pomares anything to talk about still? Don’t follow the Giant’s system closely, but I recall people being excited about him not too long ago.
Pete'sView
Datashark —
The concern with Ramos are his splits [lots of swing and miss against RH] but he’s still not an easy out. Same goes for Fitz.
John Bird
Has fallen off the top 30. Seem to remember he had a pretty bad hand injury a couple of years ago.
John Bird
Shark
Both Ramos and Fitz faded down the stretch but that’s not uncommon for young players in their first seasons. It’s happened with Baily twice. As Pete says the big concern for both is the strikeout rate but both those guys seem like they can make the adjustments with the right coaching. Like you say both have much to prove but the upside of Fitz’s power/speed combo and Ramos’s RH Cove power is worth the wait.
tikiagedola
He will sign there anyways.Best City,Best politics,Low Crime,Best fans,Most diversity
willthethrill22
Who will sign where?
dougjay
Lol right? This article is about 3 different players… Who is he talking about?!?! What a moron
tikiagedola
Not hard to figure out based on the information in the article
terry g
Wow. 0 for 5, that’s hard to do.
energel
real
seamaholic 2
If true that was dumb. Eldridge is a good prospect but you don’t turn down a Tucker or Crochet for a 1B prospect whose great 2024 was all in high A (he wasn’t nearly as good at higher levels). Yes he’s young, but people make too much of that. Some guys just peak early. And 1B who can hit are a lot easier to find than All Star level corner outfielders or #1 starters.
Gmen777
Giants probably don’t make the playoffs next year and Tucker is a one year rental. Crochet I could kind of understand if that trade is made but Eldridge for a one year Hail Mary toss with Tucker is beyond stupid.
dougjay
There’s no law that says he HAS TO BE A ONE YEAR RENTAL. There’s nothing stopping them from making him a 10 year $350m contract offer once you grab him in the trade. Now he’ll hit free agency and he’s gonna get $45m-$50m per year x 10years
YankeesBleacherCreature
@dougjay
10/350 would be Tucker’s starting bid in free agency. That’s a dream he would take that extension offer.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@doug
He stated it to begin with. That’s the only reason the Astros traded him was because he wouldn’t entertain the idea. If you know he will hit free agency and likely get $450 then why would any team think they could get him for $350. Besides the Soto and Mets fanbase, you know who were the happiest for Soto getting all that money? Vlad and Tucker bending they both know they’re about to get crazy paid this winter.
YankeesBleacherCreature
You’re kidding, right? How many 19 year-olds rapidly make the ascent to AAA? It’s a huge jump and you’re basing 35 AAA plate appearances to reach a conclusion. Peaked at 19. Lol.
boachthecoach
Brain dead take lmao
dougjay
I agree with you 100%. Turning down a proven MVP calibre left hand bat who hits for average and power for a guy you HOPE will give you the same results is pure stupidity.
And to the guy who answered you and said Tucker is a 1 year rental, well he is stuck in Media-Mirroring-Mode; there’s nothing in the rule books that says they couldn’t make him an outstanding offer today and lock him up for 10 years. In fact you’d probably be able to get him for 10y/$350m today but next year he’s going north of $40m x 10years.
Jean Matrac
You’re delusional if you think any team can extend Tucker for 10/$350M. First, he’s going to test free-agency to see how high teams will go. Second, it will be more than that. The reason the Astros traded him was because they know he’s going to get $400M+ offers and that’s more than they’d want to spend.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@doug
tone down the arrogance. Tucker made it clear he would test free agency. that’s the very reason Houston traded him.
boachthecoach
@doug does not know ball
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Seam
You mean the 17 games he split between AA and AAA? Really?
Pete'sView
seamaholic 2 —
Not for a one-year rental.
Boe Jiden
Everything about the Giants screams 4th place. This is just a mediocre franchise from top to bottom.
merrilld
Mariners fan here. Things could be worse!
dougjay
It seems silly that the Giants wouldn’t trade Eldridge for Tucker. Tucker is NOW, TODAY, the player you HOPE Eldridge will be tomorrow — a left hand bat who hits for average AND power and plays outfield. So you gambled a bird in the hand now for the 50/50 chance of having a bird in the hand tomorrow….
boachthecoach
1 year of control for Tucker
mab51357
It’s entirely possible that Eldridge takes care of 1B for many years. I’d love to have Tucker but Eldridge should be around much longer than Tucker. I’m tired of 1 year deals and optouts. Possible Tucker would have signed an extension but more possible he wants free agency after this year with the Cubs. Already lost Gausman, Rodon, Manea and Snell after 1 year. That’s a pretty good start on building a pitching staff. Makes me sick. Zaidiot says come have a good year with us and we’ll let you go somewhere else when the season is over.
Reyday
They should have got Crochet, he’s only 25 and seems to want some assurance money wise. Could have offered him a 4 year deal buy out 2 arb / 2 FA years and he would only be 29 1/2 when the deals up. That or sign him to a longer extension with his lack of history prob could have got him for a decent price compared to what guys are getting now in FA. There’s injury risk but his upside is there with the best pitchers in the game. But can’t fault Posey for not wanting to trade Eldridge.
differentbears
Dodger fan here. Really wish the Giants had included Eldridge in a reached deal for a rental, but San Francisco seems to be too smart for that.
pepenas34
If your window in now, go for it try to get the ring without regretting with the prospects.
But this is not SF`s case.
willthethrill22
pepenas, exactly.
differentbears
Correct.
DroppedThirdStrike
The issue is that the Giants need to play this year to see if their window is now. A couple injuries, some developmental stalls, window might be after this season. Then signing Tucker might make sense. By then Eldridge might be the 1B of the future.
But you gotta know first. Still too early to bet the farm
energel
man I hate drop third strikes.
DroppedThirdStrike
I like the guy running hopelessly to first, stretching, and then still getting thrown out.
Enrico Pallazzo
Hilarious!
DigglinDickers
As a Dodger fan I think it’s better for the game and rivalry when the Giants are in contention.
Simm
Check back in a few years.
rocky7
Smart non-move by Posey..Crochet is a wildcard who may be wildly successful or may be just another pitcher on his way to TJ again…….when you look at his accomplishments, the ChiSox were baiting all potential suitors to sell their best players to acquire him……Posey is the best thing to happen to the Giants in a long time…..a guy who trusts his eyes other than just analytics……
Acoss1331
I’m satisfied with what the Cubs gave up for Tucker. Triantos and Shaw are ready to take a stab at 3B in Spring Training. The Giants did good not trading their prospects. Hoyer and Ricketts will need to open up the pocketbook next free agency, and that number is starting with 400 million.
RotiniRick
Maybe he winds up really liking Chicago, likes the direction they are headed and signs an extension, but you’re right. That number is at least 400 and the Cubs have never even given out a 200. 184 to Heyward was the highest I found. We’ll see, but I agree they got a heck of a player for some expendable players and if it’s only a year it’s still a good trade
Jean Matrac
Even if he absolutely loves Chicago, it just means he’s more likely to re-sign with the Cubs after testing free-agency. The only way any team could get Tucker, or any other elite talent like him, to sign an extension is with an overpay that significantly beats all predictions for the offers he’ll get. But he’s not leaving tens of millions, if not more, behind just because he loves some city.
rhandome
Good. Would be nuts to give our top prospect away for a rental.
Giantshavetherings 2
Farhan had 2 tasks, rebuild the system from the ground up, and remain competative. The Giants have been a marketing based org from before Jesus. Signing big name players to huge contracts pleases marketing people but it doesnt always equate to good baseball. The last few years of Bonds’ tenure support that. I’m not too worried about missing those deals.
The minor league system has turned out some talent recently. Bailey, Ramos, and Fitz in 2 years time. That is more position players it has created in a very long time. I’m a bit sceptical about how “thin” the system is.
Projections are based upon past performances. The giants have some young talent that we haven’t seen hit their ceilings yet. I’m also not counting out Wade turning in a good season again. If he can stay on the field.
I’m happy they held on to Eldridge. And I dont see them winning the division, but they will compete. The lineup is longer and the pitching is deeper that projections think.
aussiegiants53
Well said mate, I don’t think the farm system is as thin as it’s made out to be, but also could be way stronger. Hoping Harrison takes a step forward as does Birdsong, Whishenhunt could be a 4/5 SP with a better 3rd pitch. Luciano getting reps in the OF might settle him down finally, Tibbs could be a good hitting DH as his defensive liabilities might be too much. Anyway, lots of work to be done but some exciting things on the farm
Anachronismo
Eldridge is the future. Soon he’ll be blasting balls into McCovey cove.
Ernie Riles
Giants need to build from within. Trading Eldridge for one year of Tucker isn’t the answer. I’d trade rentals Yaz and Wade for minor league high-risk, good upside guys. Get younger, improve the farm is the only way to bridge the gap between SF and LA, AZ, SD
Jean Matrac
The Giants don’t really need to get younger. There is value in experience, but last season they were the 14th youngest team overall, and they’ll be younger this coming season, not having the 3 oldest from last season, Casali, Canha, and Ahmed. Right now the Rogers twins, Yaz, and Murphy at 33 are the oldest guys on the roster. Last season the pitching staff was the 2nd youngest in MLB.
bbgods
Have you ever done an article on those prospects that teams refused to trade who ended up being mediocre major leaguers or not even making it to the show?
SFGRab
The article would be way too long, would have to be more of a book. No matter how many great prospects flame out, we cherry pick the few that become stars and buy the hype of the next shiny thing….probably sounds cynical, but I think it’s the reality. Prospects rise and fall like the tides, great today, gone tomorrow, but sometimes a great one washes up on the shore.
merrilld
That would be a fun one
HalosHeavenJJ
Looks like a good call on Sf’s part. Time will obviously tell but at this point 6 years of Eldridge looks a lot better than 1 of Tucker.
آلي مكبيل_.._.بيتزا بيبيروني آشتون كوتشر
Bryce is their future first baseman. I wouldn’t have traded him either. There are other pitching possibilities.
energel
yes.
Rsox
The Giants haven’t developed a decent First Baseman since Will Clark or a true slugger since Matt Williams and in Eldridge they look to have both. Good call holding on to him, especially for a rental like Tucker
TigersLoveCinnamon
Brandon belt was definitely decent. If 2020 wasn’t a covid year, he also would’ve been the first giant with 30hrs since bonds.
Rsox
Belt is a definite case of “What could have been” if he could ever stay healthy
Jean Matrac
More like what could have been had he not played in a park so punitive to LHHs.
foppert3
Well there you go. The boys are amongst it. Reads like fresh meat trying to fend off the lifers in the prison shower. Welcome to the trade market, Buster !
Fred2023
Interesting mix of metaphors there, not sure it made sense though.
foppert3
Duly noted. Something where the experienced prey on the inexperienced. That vibe caught me off guard.
Orcas circling a new born whale calf ? Nah. Different species. The prison thing is the best I’ve got !
oldgfan
They are probably running into the same issue with a Castillo-Mariners trade. They need a 1B so will probably be offered a package around Wade. Mariners will ask for Eldridge. Maybe Buster can spice it up with one of the young guns.
foppert3
It’s got me thinking, Oldg. I can’t imagine going into that trade market cold can be an easy thing . I’ve been focused on the benefits of player to recent player positive with free agents. Probably going to be an offset in the trade market when you think about it.
merrilld
M’s fan here, I don’t see them trading Castillo. They have zero depth. Maybe at the deadline when some young guys have performed well in the high minors. Right now they have their top 6 and nothing beyond that. Nothing trustworthy, anyway.
Basically they’d be creating a hole to fill a hole.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Give Buster a break, he still busy delivering that baby
nrd1138
If the White Sox would have gotten him they would more likely either ruin him, or trade him for a over the hill starting pitcher.
Bruce wulff
Not only the cubs bench is weaker still and they have no proven 3rd baseman and the extent of the bullpen is a left handed 38year old has been but looks as if rickets pocketing bellinger savings instead of going full force to improve team like the world champion dodgers have done now and going forward regardless of cost like the Yankees, Mets , Phillies, giants etc.
SFG.1
The Giants appear to be doing a better job than with Zaidi. If you can’t sign or trade for the player you want for the price you are willing to pay, move on. The problem with Zaidi was that he’d fail making the deals and then would go plan B, C or whatever. He’d end up signing a marginal player and leaving the prospects lingering in the minor leagues.
Eldridge isn’t the type of player you give up in exchange for short term gain. He’s 3 months into his 20th birthday. Look at the Wheeler trade, they got half of a season out of Beltran and didn’t even make the playoffs.
I’m not saying the Giants have a Willie Mays sitting in the minor leagues, but when Mays was called up he started out 1-26 in his first 7 games. Zaidi would have sent him right back to AAA, which is what he had done repeated.y. Look at Ramos, if not for all the injuries, he would have spent the entire season in Sacramento.
What they are doing now is good, they aren’t likely to win the WS in 2025. It’s ridiculous to expect the team to go pay whatever it takes to win now and have an old team strapped with bloated contracts in 4 or 5 years.
forever on deck
Eldridge is the future – I’ve seen him play in Eugene and he really stands out. His attention span isn’t great as is his fielding but he absolutely rakes the ball.
RickEO
Dammm. You definitely give him up for Crochet. Dudes filthy
energel
nope.
semut
I remember when Gary Brown was the be-all end-all prospect for the Giants., who they would decline to ever make available. A more recent example is Diego Cartaya in LA.
Of course Eldridge might turn out to be everything they project him to be, but I do remember hearing all of these same lines about Gary Brown. Not sure what ever became of him
oldgfan
Slinging rock on Filbert ?
Greeter @ Walmart ?
The possibilities are endless…
semut
Remember that though? It was constantly “Wait till Gary Brown is here”, but they would never call him up. His number in the minors were “ohhhkay” if I remember correctly, not spectacular though after setting some franchise hitting record in singleA(?).
Then when they finally did call him up he went something like 7 for 15 but they DFA’d him a week later. I don’t know what ever became of him after that, if he ever got called back up wherever he ended up.
Granted they’re not even remotely comparable in their sets of skills but it worries me hearing the EXACT SAME canned lines from the front office about Eldridge.. Hopefully he pans out differently though. (Full disclosure is that I’ve never had a chance to see Eldridge play yet, only read about him)
oldgfan
I do remember the great Gary Brown hype debacle. It taught me to not trust the view of paid team reporters. I have seen Eldridge play and he looks good.
Old regime over seasoned prospects in my opinion, and did not give enough regular playing time when finally brought up. Hopefully this changes.
Eldridge should plan on a call up mid season. Wade may not last long be it trade or IL.
TigersLoveCinnamon
@semut 3 for 7. It’s pretty easy to look up. You don’t have to write an entire paragraph to show you’re clueless.
merrilld
I just looked the guy up and saw zero reason for him to ever have been hyped. Weird.
TigersLoveCinnamon
Eldridge is much different than brown, for one brown was basically a failed prospect by the time he reached triple a. He was also 24 by then, Eldridge went through 4 levels last year at 20.
oldgfan
Gary Brown was on American Ninja Warrior in 2020.
Bruce wulff
Dodgers may have resigned teoscar Hernandez for paltry $66m along with Kim but we have happ and Horner so there is no comparison who has the better package now and going forward.
oldgfan
Duck the Fodgers package.
Domingo111
Without eldridge the giants can’t really make a serious offer for a top Player. Eldridge and wisenhunt are the only top 100 prospects they have. The Red sox offer was better than getting both of them.
Simm
Think wisenhunts value took a dump last year.
aussiegiants53
Happy that Buster didn’t move Eldridge, if the farm was deeper and he was the 3rd, 4th, 5th ranked prospect then fine, but he’s not so Lee him, go HARD after Tucker in FA next year,
Old York
Really too bad he gave up being a two-way player.