With hours left to go before his posting window closes, Hyeseong Kim and the Dodgers signed a three-year contract worth $12.5MM. The deal includes a two-year club option (which would need to be exercised together) covering the 2028-29 seasons. If the Dodgers exercise the option, they’d pay an additional $9.5MM over those two years. Los Angeles designated catcher Diego Cartaya for assignment to open a 40-man roster spot. Kim is represented by CAA Sports.
Kim’s former team, the Kiwoom Heroes, officially posted him on December 5, giving him until 4:00 PM CT this afternoon to sign with an MLB club. As the days ticked by and the rumor mill remained relatively quiet, it seemed like a legitimate possibility that Kim would return for one more season with the Heroes. Instead, the Dodgers, who hadn’t been closely linked to Kim this winter, swooped in and made a winning offer in the nick of time. In addition to Kim’s salary, the Dodgers will have to pay a $2.5MM release fee to the Heroes (20% of the guaranteed $12.5MM on his deal). Their total investment is $15MM.
Kim, soon to be 26, is a four-time consecutive winner of the KBO Golden Glove Award, given annually to the best overall player at each position. He won the award at shortstop in 2021 before moving to second base and winning each year from 2022-24. In addition to playing a strong second base and at least a capable shortstop, Kim is also an asset on the basepaths. He led the KBO in stolen bases in 2021 and has swiped at least 20 bags in all seven full seasons of his career. His glove and legs should give him a relatively high floor as a utility player in MLB, if nothing more.
The big question is how Kim’s bat will hold up against MLB pitching. While he struggled at the plate early in his career, the lefty batter blossomed into a well-above-average hitter during his last three years in the KBO. From 2022-24, he produced a .326 batting average and a .384 OBP, while his wRC+ was never below 118 in any season. However, Kim has never hit for much power, even by the slightly lower power standards of the KBO. His 2024 season was the best of his career power-wise – he reached double-digit home runs for the first time – but his .132 isolated power was still below league average. Thus, it’s fair to worry that Kim might not have the necessary power to be an everyday player in MLB. Just look at his former KBO teammate Ha-Seong Kim. Ha-Seong Kim was a genuine power threat in the KBO, socking 30 homers in 138 games during his final season in Korea. Since coming to MLB, he has become known as a soft-hitting contact specialist. His career .137 ISO in MLB is 15% worse than the league average over the last four years.
When MLBTR ranked Hyseong Kim at no. 26 on our Top 50 Free Agents list, we predicted he’d sign a three-year, $24MM contract. His actual deal guarantees him a little more than half of that predicted salary. That said, it’s worth mentioning that Kim reportedly turned down more money from at least one other team. A representative from Kim’s agency, CAA Baseball, told a Korean media outlet (passed along by Jeeho Yoo of Yonhap News) that the Angels offered him a five-year, $28MM deal, while the Mariners, Cubs, and Padres also made offers with undisclosed terms. Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register contradicts that report. According to Fletcher, the Angels made an offer to Kim but did not top what he received from the Dodgers.
To that point, Kim might not have a guaranteed starting role in L.A. The Dodgers already have Gavin Lux to play second base, Mookie Betts at shortstop, and Max Muncy holding down the hot corner. Furthermore, they have the talented defensive shortstop Miguel Rojas and the versatile Chris Taylor on the bench. Center fielder Tommy Edman can also play all around the infield.
According to Fabian Ardaya of The Athletic, Kim will play a “super-utility role” in 2025. The use of the prefix “super” seems to imply that he’ll be playing several positions. While he has significant experience at both shortstop and second base, he has only played a handful of games at third base in his professional career. He also played 44 games in left field during the 2020 season, and it will be interesting to see if the Dodgers consider using him in the outfield at all. As a “super-utility” player, Kim will presumably have a bigger role than that of a typical bench bat, but with so much competition on the Dodgers’ talent-filled roster, he’ll have to earn his playing time.
The fact that the Dodgers signed Kim despite already having so many infielders is evidence of how much this team values depth and flexibility. It’s also a sign of how much they value what Kim can bring to the table. Funnily enough, manager Dave Roberts has already made his team’s affinity for Kim quite clear. After the Dodgers played an exhibition match against the Korean national team last March, Roberts told reporters (including Yoo), “Our scouts like the second baseman: just the way his body moves.” That second baseman, of course, was Kim.
Various reports out of South Korea were first with the news that Kim was signing with Los Angeles on a three-year deal with a two-year club option. Jon Heyman of the New York Post was first to report the $12.5MM guarantee and the $22MM maximum value.
troutfishing
What a buzzkill
rondon
Next year they should change the Free Agent contest to “Who won’t the Dodgers sign??”
karmabad
if anything it should inspire other owners to actually make these types of moves. all other MLB owners have deep pockets as well…they just don’t have the brains I guess to keep up.
Devlsh
That’s like saying if Bill Gates buys something, you should be ‘inspired’ to spend more. All ownerships are not created equal, and the spending power of the larger market teams (and their ownership groups) far surpasses that of the smaller markets.
Asking the smaller gerbils to run faster on the wheel does nothing to level the playing field.
Memphis Kong
The only owners with Dodgers money are the Yankees and maybe the Cubs.
Captain K-Midd
The only way someone is competing with Guggenheim and the Dodgers is if Saudi Arabia gets involved…
bag o ballz
it’s not even just small teams- when a team is a large investment group full of multimillionares and billionares that deal in financial instruments they can basically dwarf every other team. even other big market teams like the giants, red sox, cubs need to deal with some financial limitations whereas teams like the dodgers and mets don’t
gregn213
Are you forgetting the Mets?
DaRaiders23
The Mets led baseball in salaries last year. The Phils were very close to what the Dodgers spent. There are plenty of owners who have just as much money as the Dodgers owner. Look at the net worths of the owners for the Braves, Twins, Giants, Angels, Nationals, Red Sox, and Cardinals, they all have the money to spend but choose not to.
fred-3
bag o ballz
The Giants have a group of multibillionares, as well. The principal owner, Charles Johnson, is probably the 2nd richest owner in MLB. Any financial “limitations” they have would be self imposed because they can afford anyone.
DaRaiders23
Guggenheim (Mark Walter) is worth less than a 1/3 of the Mets owner Steve Cohen. There are roughly 8 owners who are worth about the same as Walter, he is just more willing to spend money to make money.
fansincethe80s
False narrative. Very few owners have a net worth of over 350 billion with an 8 billion dollar budget set aside for the department that manages the baseball team like the Guggenheim partners have done.
stymeedone
@karma bad
What type of move? The one where the player takes less to only play with that team? I’m sure they would, if it happened. Unfortunately, not all teams are closer to Asia.
Jrambo5
I think the Mets are doing ok as well
Never Remember
Not true but if it helps you excuse your favorite billionaire have at it. Pathetic as it is.
lejamesbron
Forgot about Steve Cohen
Devlsh
You seem to be saying SOME owners should operate their ballclub at a loss and spend their own money while other (rich) owners can spend the same amount but because of their larger market and TV contract, operate in the black.
Is that your argument?
longtimefan
Agreed as many comments seem to think everyone can spend the same . Ownership wealth and size of market differ greatly and to expect them to have same budgets is ridiculous when tv contracts are 10 times as large for some
dano62
You don’t think they were trying? He left millions on the table to join the supergroup… This is the reason why MLB needs the dreaded ‘hard cap’…
rondon
Don’t forget fellas- It’s LA. Nobody else can compete with the weather, the marketing, houses on the beach, rubbing elbows with stars.. It’s surreal- How can they turn it down?
oldguyG
Take away dodgers/yankees tv revenue like Bally did to half the league would be fun. MLB needs to fix the TV revenue , blackouts are big problem for the league and fans of teams . 350 million for one team and 30 million for another is huge difference . They have the sharing but it’s still broken. Same team s winning division every year and making playoffs 20/25 years ruins it for fans of teams that cannot compete financially. CBT does nothing if it is no problem to pay it for certain teams.
bag o ballz
the giants have one major billionaire owner worth 6 billion who cannot leverage things like financial instruments – the dodgers ownership group is worth 355 billion built on financial instruments
nacb55
Wrong… Met owner is the richest.
Cohen has 16 billion (Mets)
Rogers has 11.5 Billion (Blue Jays)
Malone & Lerner Families have 6.6 billion (Braves and Nationals)
Johnson has 5 billion (Giants)
Dolan has 4.6 Billion (Guardians)
DeWitt Jr has 4 Billion (Cardinals)
Pohlad, Ilitch and Steinbrenner all have 3.8 Billion (Twins, Tigers and Yankees).
The Dodgers are run by an asset company and are run to add revenue to their portfolio. I’d say that Steinbrenner is a family but operate the team as their primary investment as their wealth is largely built off the team Hal purchased the team for 8.8 Million and has built them into the juggernaut while a lot of these other owners were rich then decided to venture into sports ownership.
enteluj88
Based on the last “ownership net worths” report that was released, the Dodgers weren’t even top-3. Mets, Blue Jays, Phillies, Cubs, Braves, Yankees, Red Sox were all higher or around the same. There’s really no excuse for a half dozen teams in MLB to not outspend the Dodgers. They just don’t want to.
fred-3
Bag o ballz – all those assets aren’t going into the baseball team. The Guggenheim Partners have many investments, including other sports franchises.
This one belongs to the Reds
Ownership net worth means nothing if the BUSINESS does not generate enough revenue to cover costs. No one operates a BUSINESS at a loss and becomes a billionaire.
Devlsh
Do you really think the ownerships of the Dodgers, Mets, Cubs, etc. are spending their own money? They’re MAKING money hand over fist and spending a portion of it on payroll.
That’s operating in the black. And the profit margins aren’t comparable between (fill in the small market) and a Los Angeles or New York.
This one belongs to the Reds
Mark Cuban said owning a baseball team was a losing proposition in all but a small number of markets. He was right, of course.
WeggieJackson44
It’s not as glamorous as all of that. You’re forgetting about the homeless, air pollution, crazy cost of living, and crime ridden dirty streets. It’s beautiful
JSC Cubbs
Pretty easily with that garbage contract. To have no chance of making the big money for 3 to 5 prime years, with no route to a starting spot, to play on a team where a giant graphic will go over my ABa to say how many batters away my team mate is.
He could have just stayed in Korea for one extra year and come back to states a proper FA with no posting fee.
TheGr8One
And yet the most profitable team was Seattle.
Curious
Having it and spending it don’t go hand in hand.
Fred2023
You seem to forget the guy who signed Soto.
Rexhudler86
@jsc cubs. I believe that option is after the first year. It said 9.5 additional the next two years if picked up.
Doral Silverthorn
@devish Why do things have to be fair, and at what point before 2024 and “their first real World Series win” was it not fair? Is it only not fair when the Dodgers win a Workd Series? Was it only fair when the Marlins and Rangers and Cubs and Red Sox won World Series, which was more recently than the Dodgers until “last season”?
People would rather watch the Warriors than the Pistons despite them both not winning.
Free agents would rather play in Los Angeles than Minnesota.
Maybe Minnesota should improve their farm system, where they get better picks than the Dodgers and extend the right players while they still want to play there, make a yearly contender before trading them away saying “we can’t (won’t) afford them”.
Go figure.
Fred2023
LA proper is a pit. Heaven help them if their chauffers get lost.
Doral Silverthorn
@DaRaiders
Even the A’s had all the players at one point. Then, ownership changed and their spending changed.
Option: Cry about not fair
or
Option: Get better. Keep your young stars and extend them to keep them around longer.
In short: teams are competing wrong
Blue Baron
Memphis Kong: And the Mets.
Blue Baron
Very few people in the world are worth $350 billion.
Steve Cohen is one of the 100 wealthiest at about $21 billion.
17dizzy
The DeWitts of the Cardinals don’t have that kind of money!!! That’s why they’re selling or trying to trade off all of their Quality Baseball Players.
SeanStL
The Cubs have the money but will never spend it, which is why I’m surprised they didn’t pick this guy up and trade Hoerner for a depth piece to continue the “strategy” of continuously giving just enough now (Tucker) and strengthening their team 5 years from now.
Blue Baron
dano62: A hard salary cap wouldn’t solve anything, and it won’t happen anyway.
SeanStL
By giving them millions more.
bag o ballz
you just made my point for me – you somehow think the giants who primarily have money from real estate should mortgage their properties in order to overspend when the dodgers can actually use financial instruments to make money off of contracts as part of their portfolio?
Zerbs63
statista.com/statistics/1125149/wealthiest-mlb-tea…
Top 10 wealthiest MLB owners. Dodgers aren’t even in the top 10.
Pads Fans
Cohen is worth 22.3 billion. Rogers Communications has a market cap of 21.5 billion. The Braves are owned by a publicly traded company. As far as I know, all other teams are part of partnerships with multiple partners.
avenger65
Memphis: And possibly the Mets.
Sarge-21
In the history of baseball – this is nothing new… Look at Yankees from 1920-1960… How many championships did they collect…?
fred-3
Yeah, I wasn’t familiar with the Giants org structure, but there are others teams owed by multi-billionares who have other investments (Rogers Communications – Blue Jays, Liberty Media – Braves).. I do believe the Saudi gov. will own a MLB team in the next 10 years.
Ehup
Bill Gates and I both don’t own baseball teams that exist on the premise that their teams ought to compete and win games.
If you own a baseball team and you cannot field competitive players and make an honest effort at investing into the product on the field, maybe you shouldn’t own a baseball team? You’re right, all ownerships and markets are not created equal, so why do baseball fans even care if it’s such an efficient market?
It couldn’t possibly be because 16 different teams have won the World Series in the last 25 years, could it?
energel
mets?
desertbull
A conglomerate of owners worth over 300 billion collectively own the Dodgers
No other team comes even remotely close to this
l9ydodger
belongs to the reds; EXACTLY. All of these owners are making money, but the majority of them, if not all, refuse to open their books. That’s why the players & their union doesn’t trust them. IMO, the biggest issue between the large & small market clubs is their respective TV deals. Those ownership groups along with MLB need to address that. It’s not the fault of the bigger markets. If the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, Phillies didn’t sign these mega stars, the players union & y’all would be screaming collusion & why aren’t the Big Boys signing them. Then, when they do, y’all cry foul, poor, poor pitiful me! Your issue with your favorite team’s ownership and yourself!
l9ydodger
$4 billion plus! Probably more, the private owners won’t open their books.
luckyh
Um the Mets?
l9ydodger
My/this reply about the Dewitts & their not having the money like the bigger markets is for 17Dizzy.
Devlsh
“so why do baseball fans even care if it’s such an efficient market”
Because the fans in small market teams deserve the same hopes and fan experience as the ones in the large markets. The discrepancies between large and small market spending has grown over time, and it’s currently not a level playing.
TheGr8One
No they don’t. Tell that to Tampa and the 11,000 fans that show up
redmatt
Unless Pittsburgh, Kansas City, and Cincinnati import 15 million more people, there won’t be a level playing field. And that’s fine.
920falcon
Stevie Cohen’s beautiful money.
Sam66mvp
The Dodgers are backed by $321 BILLION.. Who else can spend like this?
Bivouac-Sal
exactly what is your source for these numbers?
Bivouac-Sal
@fansincethe 80s
derail76
Bivouac-Sal Do a quick google search on Guggenheim. They control 335 billion dollars in assets. They also have a guaranteed, 8.5 Billion dollar TV contract, paying them 334 million per season through 2038.
Bivouac-Sal
Thank you derail. The 335 billion Guggenheim has under management has no bearing on Dodgers operations. The TV revenue is huge, exceeded only by the Yankees package I believe. But I thought you might be referring to some separate budget Guggenheim had for the Dodgers. But why stop there? Don’t discount the revenue from nearly 4 million tickets sold annually, not to mention concessions, merch, sponsorships, all of which are at the top of the game.
cecildawg
Brilliant.
belowme29
Rondon you nailed it. Plus they get to see watch you on TV because of pacific standard time. Go Dodgers
DroppedThirdStrike
Your team couldn’t scrape together $12M to get this guy? Coulda had him if you wanted him. You didn’t, so you don’t
Captain K-Midd
@DaRaiders23 – The difference is the Dodgers are not owned by Mark Walter, they are owned by Guggenheim Partners, which has a net worth of $310 billion with a B
Rexhudler86
@dropped. Who are you responding to? The wall, the window or the voices in your yead.
Bucsfan4ever
Mets too
Calsurf
They got him for $5 million per year. He wanted to be a Dodger. Maybe small market teams should change their culture of complaining.
Bucsfan4ever
The taxes, the smog, the mud slides, the fires, the water shortages, the morons, the earthquakes
Calsurf
You do know that the Braves owner, Giants, Mets, Blue Jays owners all have more than Mark Walter’s, right? Not to mention the Cubs and Yanks. They just spent their money as an investment not using the team as an ATM.
Champs64
So very true. Well said.
Bivouac-Sal
You forgot The Championship.
I don;t live in LA but you live in or near Pittsburgh and you’re talking about morons in southern Cal?
Bucsfan4rever is about how long you will be waiting to win anything. Though you do have one of the best pitchers in the game. For a while.
unpaidobserver
The TV deal the TV deal the TV deal.
Lemonade24
Uhm Mets have the most $
DigglinDickers
“The resulting surge in values — the Dodgers are now worth $6.3 billion, according to a valuation by Sportico — helped power Walter to a personal fortune of $12.1 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index.” fortune.com/2024/10/27/world-series-dodgers-owner-…
DigglinDickers
Walters is worth over 12 billion.
DigglinDickers
Johnson is worth about 6 billion while Mark Walters is worth 12 billion.
178iq
Yankees don’t buy.
cecildawg
cap’n k-midd? Brilliant. Thankyou.
ThatsIT?
A hardcap solves zero problems. Congrats you just made the owners billions more well taking billions out the players pockets great job. You can’t stop guys from signing in desirable destinations, they just take less money.
You dumb people act the dodgers have won 5 straight years in a row.
Blue Baron
Bucsfan4ever: Morons? Like some of the people on here?
JackStrawb
@Devlsh Well said. It’s just like telling those crushed under the plutocrats’ economic wheel, “work harder!”
JackStrawb
@fansincethe80s It’s also the case that, to do what the Dodgers do, requires a huge investment that only really pays off if you’re willing to invest for five years and more. And if you want to actually get paid off for it, you’re going to keep feeding the team money for a decade, makng it a billion-dollar gamble, at least.
Pads Fans
Guggenheim Partners has $300 billion under management. That doesn’t mean the company is worth that much. It means that is money the invest for other people. Mark Walters, the managing partner of the Dodgers and CEO of Guggenheim has a net worth of $6 billion.
The reason the Dodgers can spend so much is that they have $700 million in revenue each season with $130-140 million in non-baseball operations expenses.
Goku the Knowledgable One
Karmabad
It has to do with the population size of their market
Maybe your brain is the one who can’t keep up you moron.
Anyhow I guarantee you don’t even live in LA and are just a total schmuck bandwagoner
You’re tye kind of guy who gets friend zoned and used for rides
Paleobros
And Mets
Paleobros
Actually living there isn’t exactly like that dream version day to day. It’s fine and good, but nowhere is quite that shangrila-ish.
DigglinDickers
“ the Dodgers are now worth $6.3 billion, according to a valuation by Sportico — helped power Walter to a personal fortune of $12.1 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index.”
fortune.com/2024/10/27/world-series-dodgers-owner-…
pino
And the mets
please disperse
Easy for the dodgers not to be the top spenders when they deferred 600M of Ohtani’s contract
Letsplaytwotomorrow
Dear God, careful what you wish for.
Pads Fans
That would only help his net worth by that amount if he was the owner of the team outright. He is not. He is the managing partner. The largest single share of the partnership, but only 37%.
Other owners include Todd Boehly (owner of DraftKings), Peter Guber (part of owner of the Golden State Warriors and the LA MLS club), Stan Kasten (owner of the LA Rams), Magic Johnson, Bobby Patton, Alan Smolinsky, and others. Boehly alone holds 20%. Guber and Magic another 10% each.
Pads Fans
The Dodgers are not owned by Guggenheim Partners. They are owned by Guggenheim Baseball Management, a total separate legal entity and a partnership that includes Todd Boehly (owner of DraftKings), Peter Guber (part of owner of the Golden State Warriors and the LA MLS club), Stan Kasten (owner of the LA Rams), Magic Johnson, Bobby Patton, Alan Smolinsky, Billie Jean King, and others.
Pads Fans
I mistyped/mispoke. Magic currently owns 2.3%. Magic sold a portion of his shares in 2023 reportedly to Stan Kasten who is the President and CEO of the Dodgers and who now owns 15-17% depending on the publication reporting his stake in the team.
Magic is also in the ownership groups of the Washington Commanders, Los Angeles FC MLS team, Los Angeles Sparks WNBA team, and the Washington Spirit NWSL club.
Walter owns 37%. Buehly 20%. Kasten 15-17%. Guber 10%. The others have smaller stakes.
DigglinDickers
The Dodgers owner is worth 12 billion.
Pads Fans
Nope. Once again you are wrong Ryan. The Dodgers OWNERS are worth far more than that.
Walter, who is one of 9 partners and controls 37% of the Dodgers, is worth around $6 billion as of this month. forbes.com/profile/mark-walter/
At $8.5 billion Todd Boehly, one of the other partners that holds a 20% share of the Dodgers, is actually has a net worth that is more than Walter.
DigglinDickers
Walters in now worth 12 billion and his spokesperson confirmed that amount. When I say owner, I’m referring to the controlling owner which Walters is. fortune.com/2024/10/27/world-series-dodgers-owner-…
DigglinDickers
I have no idea why you keep calling me Ryan.
PiratesFan1981
Yup, another signing heading to LA again. This system is so broken
metsin4
Nobody else was really interested in him. I wouldn’t get up in arms over this.
PiratesFan1981
You think this is just about him? Again, the system is broken
metsin4
I mean you’re getting upset for them signing a very low valued player. They could have brought Bregman in and then you could say the system is broken.
BlueSkies_LA
You should try standup comedy and being funny on purpose. Any team could have afforded this contract.
cmanson
what did the Pirates offer him ??
gregn213
Which other teams were competing for him?
stymeedone
If you read everything that is posted now, he didn’t want to sign with another team, and took less money to do so. Wet Coast advantage for acquiring players from Asia.
enteluj88
He signed for $4 million a year. There’s not a team in baseball that couldn’t match that. Word is, he had 5 offers; he picked the one he wanted.
TheGr8One
He had 5 offers to choose from and didn’t take the most money (Anaheim)
Sounds broken to me.
Doral Silverthorn
What about the Pirates system has you excited? They extended Hayes, and he went right into the tank, and are presently watching their diamond of the system Cruz flounder so much at SS they moved him to CF.
That’s the Dodgers fault?
Trade for the right players, and extend the right players before crying you can’t sign a free agent.
17dizzy
Wait and see if you say the same thing when Sasaki signs with them too!!
The Dodgers may very well have the entire Japanese World Championship Baseball Classic Team by the end of next season.
I agree! The system is broken and will remain that way as long as the current Vommissioner
TheGr8One
How exactly is it broken? Explain please.
wallabeechamp
The system isn’t broken.
The Angels, Padres etc…
They’re broken. Kim made probably made decision based upon his chance to win. No chance with either of those two clubs.
Bivouac-Sal
@PiratesFan
you’re mad because players aren’t rushing to live in Pittsburgh and play for the Pirates??
Captain K-Midd
I wouldn’t say no one was interested. This is similar to like the trade deadline where teams are trying to haggle until the last second.
fox471 Dave
Does everyone (anyone) realize that the Dodgers only signed three NEW players and Resigned three players that were on the 2024 roster? Conforto for one year at $17 million and Kim for three years at $12 million total. Snell was expensive but less than other front line starters. So what is the issue?
Bivouac-Sal
as someone else has pointed out Dodgers have signed three, count ’em, three new players this off season, Snell, Conforto and Kim. Snell–expensive to be sure–but at or below market price given some of the more expensive signs like Fried, Burnes and $17 mill for Conforto and 4.25 mill for Kim. The other signs were retaining guys from the 2024 team, Teo, Treinen, extending Edman, And that’s what you are bent out of shape over? They were affordable for any team EXCEPT THEY ALL WANTED TO PLAY FOR THE DODGERS. All of them with the possible exception of Conforto took less than they could have made elsewhere.
rondon
Not sure where you get “Nobody was interested” thing. There were a number of teams very interested in him.
metsin4
So much so that he was almost on a plane back to South Korea to stay in the KBO.
Bivouac-Sal
MetsinNever
As usual you are privy to inside info no one else has. How exactly do you know what went on during and the timing of the contract negotiation? Dodgers had Kim in their sights since they played against him in March last year. And exactly when did all of his other interest come in and then get rejected? Do tell us oh oracle.
metsin4
What are you even ranting about? When did I ever say he had interest and it was rejected? I’m sorry you are claiming to know inner Dodger knowledge but running your mouth that others don’t know anything going on. Congrats you signed a very light hitting backup player.
Bivouac-Sal
we can all read smartass.
“Nobody else was really interested in him.”
this despite reports from at least 4 other teams who were interested and one other than LAD that reportedly made an actual offer. I don;t have “inner Dodger knowledge.” I simply read the reports. You should try it instead of just shooting off your mouth.
The Dodgers faced Kim last year in Korea before the Seoul Series against the San Diego Padres. After the game, Dodgers manager Dave Roberts said the team’s scouts were impressed with Kim. Nine months later, the Dodgers signed him.
dodgersnation.com/hyeseong-kim-took-less-money-fro…
“Our scouts had flagged that he was potentially going to be posted this year. I think there was that dynamic athlete and explosiveness that he showed in that game against us that really stood out,” (GM) Gomes said. “When you’re able to add somebody with that type of athleticism and that tool package its something that we’re really excited about.”
rondon
Sal… Bingo.
chiefnocahoma1
MLB has become a microcosm of America. Haves and have nots. The Dodgers are The Evil Empire.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
That’s the Yankees tag line. Come up with something original….
paddyo furnichuh
The Mountains and Beach Empire.
Doral Silverthorn
@chiefnocahoma
Spread the misery.
Because that’s fair.
What a load of dookie.
Ezpkns34
Not sure this is the signing to hang your hat on the mantra that “LAD is ruining free agency for everyone!”
machurucuto
What are you complaining so much about? The Dodgers are paying a total of $15M for this player. It’s something any other team could have done. The reality is that the owners and managers of other teams are all incompetent, while the Dodgers’ management is far superior.
towinagain
Well, I’ll try a little optimism.
The Dodgers only have so many roster spots, as do the DBacks and Giants so…that leaves the Padres as a desirable destination.
Can’t play for the Dodgers because they have signed half the baseball world, well there are still some roster spots available on the Padres.
Sunny, southern California is destination. Beautiful San Diego, despite what Blake Snell says, is a desirable place to live and play.
SD is an alternative on par with LA as far as weather and nightlife.
The team won 93 games and is currently what Boston was to NY in 04′.
Join the other side. The SD side.
LA doesn’t have the space, doesn’t want you, there is a place down the 5 you might like.
whyhayzee
Beem to San Diego and it IS lovely. Won’t go anywhere near LA. But that’s just me.
Longtimecoming
Hayzee – I’m with you. Lived all over SD for about 9 years from IB up to Del Mar and all points in between.
Went to LA a total of 2 times.
For all of those that love it (I’ve got friends there), enjoy and I’m not bashing – just agreeing with the guy.
toptimrubies
@Longtimecoming if you only went to LA twice then you really haven’t seen much of the vast city. Sure it’s jot for everyone but you can barely even see what a single neighborhood in LA has to offer in two days.
San Diego is lovely but doesn’t have the same depth of experiences or diversity of LA.
Longtimecoming
Fair points and different people look for different thing for sure but not as applicable to me. I also didn’t venture downtown SD unless I had to do so either (pre Petco). I get that LA has some non downtown areas too but, the traffic congestion to get there was he— and there was more than enough for me in SD. I prefer to see where I’m going and the tall buildings stacked just isn’t my thing.
To each his own and that is why I’m carefully not knocking it. I think a person can not like something while not saying so in an unnecessarily negative manner. We are expecting ice and snow in a couple of days and single digits so, you got room at your place for a week or so?
WeggieJackson44
LA is disgusting. I live in Orange County and commute to different parts of LA for work (Brentwood to Hollywood, etc.). Glad some enjoy it but it’s not for me
fox471 Dave
Quit!
FOmeOLS
@ agtowinagain
“LA doesn’t have the space, doesn’t want you, there is a place down the 5 you might like.”
If those aren’t song lyrics, they should be. That’s a terrific line.
Longtimecoming
Just have to add “beer”, “mom”, “my old dog” and a divorce and you could put that together!
Devlsh
I like the new you, Tow. Keep up that optimism!
dasit
stay classy san diego
stymeedone
Too close to that open border thing. Lots of rapists coming across according to our future President.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
429 comments so far. Wow.
Gwynning Look. Mira! Mira!
Tow has morphed into Tigger!!!
O Frabjous Day! Callooh! Callay!” He chortled in his Joy. ;O
The Sun will come out Tomorrow. Tomorrow
Beat LAD. Beat LAD.
Hopefully There is NO Room in the Inn for Sasaki in LA Cali
empirejim
If Seidler would crack open his piggy bank maybe you could land a free agent or two, but the reality is that the only guys headed to SD are other team;s unwanted DFA’s. Padres going hard reverse. Doubly sad for Padres fan because they were so close.
belowme29
Here comes cry baby never fails. Dude tour owners don’t have the money to spend. Might as well sell it to the Mexican Cartel since your just across the fence. I’m sure they have no problem making a dynasty with that money laundering
Captain K-Midd
Signed him just for the memes
17dizzy
Are the Dodgers going to be 2 All-Star players deep at every position on the field for the 2025?
In 1968 ……. 57 years ago ….. The St. Louis Cardinals became the first 1 Million Dollar Team. Yes!! The entire 25 man player roster’s annual individual salaries had a Grand Total of $1,000,000. I heard Lou Brock personally laughingly say —- “They Called Us the
“Fat Cats!” LOL! “We were over paid to play the game of Baseball.”
In 2024 —- the Dodgers were able to extend close to 1 Billion dollars to only 2 players.
My how things have changed in just those short 57 years!!
The Dodgers aren’t by themselves as Owners who can now afford to pay such iconic individual salaries.
Fans of the game can’t hold anything against Super Star players such as Othani or Soto for accepting $700,000,000+ multi-year contracts from wealthy Owners.
Although the tide has completely turned. The New York Yankees use to be classified as “The Best Team Money Can Buy!” back in the early Hal Steinbrenner ownership days. That tag now falls on the Dodgers, but with other Owners soon to follow that Trait.
The down side of this —- soon to be —- the 1st One-Billion Dollar Team As seen going
forward — there are some Historic Baseball Franchises who no longer keep up the financial pace as the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, etc.
As an example of the times; —— that First Major League Baseball —- $$Million Dollar$ Team, the St. Louis Cardinals seems to be having to go in the opposite direction.
The Cardinals Historic Franchise is having to drop their best Quality Players for the upcoming 2025 because of either their high
Contracted salaries, future stars who are only becoming arbitration eligible, or have become Free Agents and they can’t afford them any more. The Cardinals are calling it a rebuild.
However as you know it takes money to rebuild with quality players. Just as the Dodgers have shown.
Teams such as the Cardinals and others of their caliber—- will end up having to either follow suit to be competitive or sell to Owners who can afford to purchase or trade for those Quality Players in the future.
fox471 Dave
Coulda said that in a couple of paragraphs.
rondon
He made Some good points, but I don’t Understand the random capital Letters..?
Sarge-21
Get ready for LAD to add another closer to create a three headed monster on the bad end of their bullpen…
CommentsSectionCommenter
@Sarge
This.
And when they do, this place is going to MELT…
just_thinkin
Lol
twozero6ix
Gavin Sux, you ARE a mariner!
batman2825
NO THANKS! I would rather they go sign Jose Iglesias.
tikiagedola
Classy. He has a family and is 100000 times better than you
King123
Gavin Lux is a better ballplayer than the random Mariners fan that commented? What great insight!
Mustard Tiger
He put up 2.1 WAR despite a bad start. That’s the kind of suck most teams would love to get from a 2B.
enteluj88
This is basically the worst part of Ross Atkins making another panic trade and taking on an albatross contract. If he had waited for Kim’s decision, he probably could’ve made a smarter decision, maybe gone after someone like Lux instead of.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I thought kim chose the mariners! Everyone on the Reddit is in shambles right now
Never trust shady sources
MWeller77
Just avoid u/jonheyman, who had “Hee-Seop Kim” signing with the Giants
StudWinfield
I wouldn’t mind Lux in the Bronx.
BlueSkies_LA
How about Rushing in Flushing?
Stevil
The Dodgers are far more likely to move on from Taylor than Lux.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
The dodgers are going to scam the mariners into a Chris Taylor+dustin may for Luis Castillo deal
Stevil
That would require blackmail.
MartialArtisan
Well…there are those pics of Stanton in women’s lingerie. LOL
neurogame
Whoa, whoa, whoa…. let’s not make this racial. The mail doesn’t have to be black, white, brown or any other color.
MartialArtisan
54% of Jerry Dipoto’s mail is fan mail. The other 46% is hate mail, but most of that is from Scott Servais.
BarryBondsEnjoyer
Man…enough already…
Yooooo
theyre like the yankees but they win championship(s)
Yankee Clipper
Uh…. Nope. They’ve won 3 since 1988. I wouldn’t go comparing them to the Yankees just yet.
On that note, many Dodger fans are so brazen with their championship predictions over the next ten years that they’re setting themselves up to be the laughingstock of baseball each and every year they don’t win.
However, there are many Dodger fans (on this site specifically) that are reasonable and level-headed. They shy away from the unreasonable claims that are espoused by the {minority} of the fanbase and simply enjoy the ownership’s desire to achieve those goals. Hell, I love it and I don’t even like the Dodgers.
jpauly12
I mean, They have the momentum. They’ve been consistently well run since the McCourt sale. If you asked to pick who’s better set up for success in the coming decade between the Dodgers and Yankees, you’d be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn’t pick the Dodgers.
Yankee Clipper
Jpauly: I agree with you. But that’s very different than claiming championship dynasties before they’re won. No doubt in my mind they’re the best team in MLB, without question. But, that’s only on paper. It means much less in terms of translating to dynastic runs in MLB.
Injuries, personal issues, management decisions, hot and cold streaks – they ALL factor in to championships. It’s why we don’t see dynasties in MLB like we do in other sports. Dodgers have been this way since before 2020, and they’ve only won twice in that five-year timeframe, and not again for 31seasons before that.
Dickiesox
Yankee Clipper-Except they just won the World Series so it’s not “only on paper”. And they achieved that goal during a season FULL of injuries. Half of their SP staff was recovering from TJS last season. Then, after winning, aside from some minor free agent walkers (see what I did there), they sign more talent. 2 in the last 5 years is pretty good and, no offense, much better than 1 in the last almost 25 years. 27 is truly amazing but if I’m a yankee fan, I’m going full Janet Jackson, asking WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY?!?
Yankee Clipper
Dickie: So did several other teams. I specifically referred to all the predictions about the future, which has nothing to do with the past. Winning the WS in ‘24 has little bearing on winning it in ‘25 for a host of reasons.
But I agree with your points overall.
derail76
Yankee Clipper, I’m a lifelong Dodgers fan of almost 50 years. I pretty much agree with everything you’ve said. If they repeat this year, I think we can start the discussion. 3 in a 6 year isn’t quite where the Giants were a few seasons ago, and I don’t know if I’d call them a dynasty. Some will make the argument, mostly Giants fans. There were some bad teams in those “odd” years. Dodgers have won the NLW, 9 of the last 10 years. They won 106 games in the only season that they didn’t win the west in that span. They haven’t had a “bad” season in a long time. What the Giants did was tough to do though, and the Dodgers have a lot of work to do still, just to get close to what they did. I’m not anywhere close to calling this a dynasty.. yet. I do like our chances though. Andrew Friedman has said that he wants this to be referred to as the Golden Age of Dodgers baseball. I’ll give him that. It’s a really good time to be a fan of the team.
Luis_Fazenda
I completely agree with you. As a Dodger fan for 50+ years, aside from this site, the Dodger fandom out there can get pretty nutty…at best. I don’t look down on rabid fans, but more than a few of our faithful have a distinct lack of acumen for the game of baseball….and don’t mind showing it. It gets a bit much at times.
kinkykontrol
Yeah there’s a huge difference between the folks who woke up Dodger fans this year and those who faithfully attended games through the McCourt, Grady Little and Davey Johnson years. No hate for the bandwagoners. Welcome all the same. I understand why you wouldn’t want to suffer through the afformentioned years, but they were definitely character building seasons as a fan. Frustrating but at the end of the day it’s baseball, and I loved it. Perhaps why I don’t spend a lot of time showboating or chest pounding. Just smile like a cat in his favorite sunny spot as the front office does right for the fans. About damn time. I’ll always be a fan, not more or less than before, but certainly a little less cray cray.
politicsNbaseball
What about Jim Tracy? He was the first manager I remember watching as a kid
stymeedone
The Dodger fans that annoy me are the ones who don’t acknowledge the advantage large market teams have, and berate small market teams for not doing what only the Dodgers and a few.other teams can do. If Detroit had a distinct advantage in recruiting players from Canada (they don’t), I’d enjoy it, but acknowledge that Miami couldn’t follow suit.
taran7
I always say in the McCourt years all the players were named Jason and they all hit .180.
Devlsh
styme – Amen, brother.
politicsNbaseball
Bringing back memories of Jason Repko
Doral Silverthorn
@taran7
Wilson Betemit, Juan Pierre, Delwyn Young and Yhency Brazoban would like a word with you.
derail76
There was one named Jayson that they let get away though.
cecildawg
yikes politicsnbaseball
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@Doral
Wilson Betemit.
Man, that’s Peak “Let’s Remember Some Guys”…….
Kershaws Back
That’s because 50% of Dodger fans are casuals. And they drown out the other half of real baseball fans
dasit
if i were a pirates fan i would be grumpy but as a yankee fan i love how they operate because they make it difficult for other large-market teams to cry poor. i almost wish the dodgers were in the AL because then the yankees would really have to up their game
fox471 Dave
Clipper: the Dodgers will never be the laughingstock of baseball. For them, definitely a bridge too far. However, the team that blew a five run lead, in the fifth inning in game five of the World Series is definitely in the running.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
At least the Yankees never signed Trevor Bauer.
derail76
Yankee Clipper, one other point.. this is a city that is also home to the Lakers. They had a couple of dynasty’s. I think anybody in LA saying that what the Dodgers have done is dynasty, can’t be Lakers fans, because they’d know better.
cecildawg
In the WS since 2017. jus sayn. sumtin.
Yes, mega bucks.
Walter had 23 one year contracts. Say again. No.
In the fifties the yanks won so many WS. Mostly agin the Doyers.
This is a trip being a Dodger fan, fair or not.
Matt Kemp was cheated out of the MVP. The year before he set a record for having hit home runs in the last 5 games of the season.
Tommy’s gut was an embarrassment. Then decades until the astos.
Decades brah.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Everybody in the world now hates the Dodgers except Japan and LA County. The Evil Empire is now on the West Coast.
MWeller77
There are some Angels fans in LA County, too. But there are a lot of Dodger fans in the Inland Empire, so I guess it balances out
derail76
No way to prove this, but I’d wager that there are more Dodgers fans in OC like myself, than there are Angels fans.
BlueSkies_LA
Dodger Nation is a lot bigger than LA County, bud.
This one belongs to the Reds
To the shock of NO ONE.
CarverAndrews
In related news, MLBTR is going through a redesign for next season. It will be divided into two columns – Dodgers News, and Everyone Else..
Periklos
Dodgers cornering the Asian market.
BeingARedsFanHurts
You’ve got the Asian market confused with the whole market.
dasit
you misspelled “planetary”
Lou Sassoll
Where are they gonna play all these guys?
JackStrawb
@Lou Sassoll Probably moving on from Taylor, now that they have Edman as well to patrol the OF.
And the Dodgers are getting younger, too. Their main issue is having a very, very old team by conventional standards (aren’t 7 of 9 regulars in 2024 30 or older in 2025?).
Of course, when three of your 30 and older position players are superstars, the decline tends to be more graceful and towards the end they can still pass as tolerable regulars
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@JackS
Problem is, unless they’re DFA-ing Taylor–which they should do, as he’s the definition of a “sunk cost” at this point–I think this move means Gavin Lux’s stay in LA could be drawing to a close. But trading Taylor kicks him an additional $3M as a payment for the trade, which means CT would cost $20M to move–and wouldn’t bring anything back, unless LA sent prospects too.
Meanwhile, Kim is a superior fielder to Lux at 2B…Kim can also play SS, which Lux cannot…and if Kim can even hit a little, that’ll be more than enough to use Lux and other pieces to grab a needed back-end rotation piece or a higher-end reliever.
DroppedThirdStrike
Lux isn’t going anywhere until they see if his second half is repeatable
Tom the ray fan
He’ll end up just being a bench bat, he’s no Junghoo Kang!!!
Rexhudler86
@tom the ray. Hopefully not Kang got three dui’s, sexually assaulted someone, and got deported in two and a half years.
Tom the ray fan
All fake news
Rexhudler86
@tom. I guess it didn’t pop up because you can’t spell his name correctly.
steelehere83
I believe he’s doesn’t pan out and spends much of the year in OKC. His profile of as an undersized contact hitting middle infielder isn’t super impressive.
JackStrawb
@steelehere83 He doesn’t need to hit much at all to be worth a 26-man roster spot.
.326/.383/.458 /.841 translates to a very playable utility guy in MLB, particularly when he has GG-caliber defense and steals at an 80-90% rate (46/4 a couple of years ago), and that’s before he gets to the Dodgers and their player development info.
politicsNbaseball
Agreed, guessing they see him as Taylor’s replacement for an infield utility guy
Rexhudler86
@politics. I’m sure he didn’t sign with dodgers to play in triple a.
Rexhudler86
@politics. Plus it’s a major league deal, he was a free agent. He’s 25.
steelehere83
The Dodgers signed a bunch of Cuban veterans to major league deals a decade ago for more money and years and they all ended up rotting away in AAA. No reason that can’t happen again with Hye-Seong Kim if his bat isn’t MLB ready.
Hector Olivera
Jose Miguel Fernandez
Erisbel Arruebarrena
Alex Guerrero
Rexhudler86
@steelehere83. The rules are different. Is Guerrero still missing his ear? Your thinking of Tomas. He was in the minors because he wasn’t getting claimed becausehis contract was crazy, but now it counts against cap. If he gets sent down he will get claimed on waivers 100 percent.
politicsNbaseball
Sorry I was agreeing with him being a bench bat not with him playing in OKC
PierceIn
Arruebarrena…holy crap. I haven’t thought of any of those names in a very long time. Amazing that Puig was the only one who had an appreciable impact.
BlueSkies_LA
You missed one: Yaisel Sierra
The Dodger paid him $30M. Never threw more a handful of innings above the double-A level.
JackStrawb
@steelehere83 Guys like Erisbel Arruebarrena didn’t “rot away” in AAA. They simply didn’t play well enough to warrant more than brief callups to the major league squad.
JackStrawb
@PierceIn The Dodgers discovered that the Cuban league numbers didn’t translate well. They rolled the dice on what might have been a new market, and lost. It happens.
It might even be that just with Puig they turned a profit on Cuban players vs. what those 17 wins would have cost through US players—about $40m to Puig for 17 bWAR, during the 2010s. That’s roughly $60-80m cheaper than what those wins would have cost in FA.
BlueSkies_LA
Arruebarrena was suspended due to disciplinary issues before his release. He returned to Cuba, the first and only player to do so.
Doral Silverthorn
Great, gold glove caliber SS, with zero hit tool. I wanted so badly for him to be “next” as the long term SS. Then he turned out to be a head case who couldn’t put bat on ball Like pitchers hitting bad. What terrible memories of that dude.
hllywdjff
The poor Mariners can’t even dumpster dive. Hilarious and pathetic at the same time…
Stevil
I’m personally glad they didn’t blow 4-5m on a lottery ticket with limited upside.
But since you mentioned ‘dumpster diving’, let me remind you that Robles was a waiver claim.
hllywdjff
Let’s see what he does in a full season. You’re going to lose your enthusiasm for this team eventually! You basically said yourself Kim was nothing special…Lol
Stevil
I don’t get it. I’m not trying to be rude, I really don’t understand your point.
I’m not happy with the Mariner organization, but I’m still a fan.
I was never high on Kim, so seeing him go to LA instead of Seattle doesn’t bother me.
If he has success, good. But that wouldn’t change how I feel. And a full season for him on that Dodger team will likely mean 200-300 PAs at the most (and he’ll have protection all around him).
Seattle can’t afford to take risks on low-ceiling players that cut into the limited funds they’re allowed to spend.
hllywdjff
Explain to me why you think a team like Seattle with the market they have and the money they make and the crowds thay get when they win would have to have a bottom feeder budget??? Why should ANY Mariner fan have to tolerate that at all? It’s not right bro it’s just not right…Somehow some way this fanbase has to force ownership to hear our pleas to try to win a championship not this 54% bs that Dipoto is selling and I’m not sure how we do it…I want to at least have a world series appearance before I die for God sakes!
Stevil
Why do you think I believe they have to have a low budget? I have never suggested that. I’ve literally said the opposite.
I simply look at things rationally within the reality that we’re facing. That doesn’t mean I don’t want a new ownership group or that I agree with or like they way the organization is run. I don’t.
Fans should be vocal with their displeasure. But fans should also understand that not every player is a fit and someone of that has nothing to do with ownership.
Some players don’t want to live so far away from their homes. Some players want to play for a team with a more established history.
Some players have a hitting profile that wouldn’t likely work at T-Mobile.
MartialArtisan
You make some valid points there. I’m curious though, why can’t the Mariners alter the dimensions of the ballpark again to make it a little more hitter friendly? Under Dipoto they’ve proven they can develop pitchers. They have done so with the young core of the rotation. What they haven’t been able to do under Dipoto is develop hitters. That, combined with his history of unwillingness to offer free agent contracts has to work against them for players and their agents. It seems to me that by not making T-Mobile a little more hitter friendly, they are suggesting that they don’t have all that much faith in the pitching staff, especially considering their splits.
Stevil
If it was up to me, I would bring in the corners. But there’s an argument that making the park more hitter friendly would offset the pitching advantage.
This is something they might give more consideration to once guys like Emerson and Montes are ready to debut.
good vibes only
It would definitely offset the pitching advantage. It’ll just make M’s easier to score against, while the M’s continue to strike out more often than their opponents as constructed.
The team shouldnt even consider this until their lineup is a strength to be emphasized. Has nothing to do with ‘not trusting the pitching’. This is completely in their control. There’s a reason they haven’t done it. They know it’ll cost them run differential.
Baltimore waited til their lineup was a strength to pull the fences back in. M’s should do the same.
MartialArtisan
I get that, but it does nothing to attract free agent hitters. And their contention window is now due to the starting rotation. They can’t afford to wait several more years for the prospects to be ready. They have to find a way to upgrade the lineup and it seems like their options are dwindling by the day.
JackStrawb
@MartialArtisan It’s probably the case they don’t have a lot of faith in their pitching in a more conventional park, though it should be easy for a Mariners’ fan to document how the pitching fares in other parks since the M’s park was set up as it is now.
Bill James said, a lot of what we think of as good pitching, is actually good defense.
He might have added, what we tend to think of as good pitching is actually a consequence of a pitching-friendly ballpark.
Stevil
I think the cost to move in the fences is more prohibitive than any fear of run differential.
We’ve been waiting 6 years for a formidable lineup and they’ve produced exactly two hitters. Trying to produce more at T-Mobile the way it is probably isn’t a great recipe for success.
VonPurpleHayes
It’s getting silly. And they’re favorites for Sasaki too. It’s just an embarrassment of riches.
Yankee Clipper
You’re right, but they still have to win on the field. If they don’t, it’ll be worse than the 1990’s Braves….
Mustard Tiger
They’ve already won 2 World Series championships in the last 4 years. They could go 0-162 for the next 5 years and be better than the 90’s Braves.
stymeedone
I think you mean 2*.
Doral Silverthorn
@stymee
If we are playing the asterisk game, that’s 4 in the last 8*.
Cheating didn’t matter in 17-18 all of a sudden but playing 60 games does.
Can’t have it both ways.
Mustard Tiger
Nope. I mean 2. Asterisks are for whiners and losers.
i like al conin
The system is broken, and left to the owners and players it won’t be fixed. There needs to be external pressure for change, starting with the media, but they are toothless. Media is quiet like with steroids years ago.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
The media is taking pride in driving up player salaries.
They are not on the consumer side. They are acting like advocates for higher wages and higher prices.
TheGr8One
What makes you think anyone in the media cares about who makes what in baseball? They cover the game and that’s where the job stops. Be the reporter who dies on the salary cap hill and see how your next locker room interview goes. Silly take to think the media should be getting involved.
BlueSkies_LA
But you know, the media! The system is broken!
cecildawg
Mother media has been broken since its inception. Gossip.
DroppedThirdStrike
Media should be abolished in favor of rumor-mongering.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
I read.
JackStrawb
@i like al conin The system is hardly “broken.” Even with all the advantages the Dodgers FO has created, they still don’t have as much as a 1 in 4 chance of winning the World Series.
metsin4
are you really concerned about this signing? A low power contact second baseman that was having a hard time finding a market?
Devlsh
He’s pointing to the larger problem and inequities of the system.
metsin4
By all means if getting role players like this is a problem then baseball really doesn’t have many problems.
BlueSkies_LA
Once you learn to repeat “the system is broken” endlessly, everything you see is just more evidence of what you already believe. No logic required.
i like al conin
The system is broken. The Dodgers have a payroll more than 3 times the small market teams with more resources. Logic requires empirical evidence and quantitative research – all concluding the system is broken.
TheGr8One
This is an odd topic to stand on the system is broken hill. He was offered more money by Anaheim and turned it down. Payroll and resources figured into it not one bit.
BlueSkies_LA
The record is broken. The record is broken. The record is broken….
JackStrawb
@i like al conin The onus is on you if you hope to convert others—what would an “unbroken” system look like?
Would it increase the already significant penalties punishing intelligence, innovation, creativity?
i like al conin
@Mets: it’s not the role player signing but the payroll. The Dodgers will never have to rebuild/retool like the bottom half has to every few years once their windows close.
JackStrawb
Does everyone get payroll of $180m and no more than that?
dasit
i agree with the overall sentiment but i wouldn’t include kim in the “riches” category. i expect buddy biancalana level production
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
How do they even have a spot for him? They only needed a starter and an OFer. They got both. Where is this dude gonna play?
seamaholic 2
Utility INF, and they may well trade Lux now.
fox471 Dave
Yeah, now that Lux has recovered from his injuries and is proving valuable, time to trade him.
CommentsSectionCommenter
@Fox471
Proving valuable? Outside of a six-week stretch in July/Aug, Lux last year was who he’s been for years now:
A platoon bat virtually unplayable against LHP and limited defender capable of a playing a passable 2B–and nothing else.
The injury sucked, but Lux wasn’t a MLB shortstop before it, and would’ve been exposed defensively anyway. It’s obviously not his fault, but Lux was overrated as a prospect, which has led to a very long runway for meh results.
But if you can sell that 2024 second-half OPS to someone as being a sign of things to come, there are several teams that would see him as a solution to their 2B issues (the Yankees among them).
But YES, it’s definitely time to trade him.
JackStrawb
Or eat salary and deal Taylor. He’s probably the least productive member of the roster, currently.
DroppedThirdStrike
He’s also the player most likely to bounce back. Though highly unlikely he’ll bounce back enough to justify his salary
solaris602
Keep in mind the Dodgers have a 60-man roster because some teams are just a little more special than others.
Armaments216
I think Kim plus Hernandez puts the roster at 41 so they’d need to cut someone when these become official.
HHBruin
Kim can be optioned, until a bunch of pitchers are put on the 60-day
chucklesxavier
Stone and Sheehan are still on the 40 man I think. Neither is pitching next year as far as I know.
Rexhudler86
@hhbruin. He’s not a minor league free agent. He could get claimed.
AHH-Rox
But the injured pitchers still have to take up a 40-man roster spot during the offseason (unless they get released). The 60-day IL that doesn’t use a 40-man slot doesn’t exist in the offseason.
28rings
they deffered their roster… they get 60 man roster now, but from 2031-2050 they can only have an 8 man roster (no pitching changes & 2 outfielders) but it will be someone else’s problem by then.
Wire to wire 2024
28 that’s the best deferred joke to date
BlueSkies_LA
But then, it’s a very low bar.
bluesteele
Trading Lux.
fathead0507
Move Lux to OF is one way
Doral Silverthorn
@fat
You’re not a Dodger follower, are you?
leftcoaster
He’s a nice replacement for Taylor.
Mustard Tiger
They will trade Gavin Lux.
fox471 Dave
They will not.
Mustard Tiger
I hope not. I’d rather see Chris Taylor gone.
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@Mustard
Think we all would, but moving Taylor is even costlier than simply cutting him.
That said, there’s no reason these two things need be mutually exclusive, as Lux has no place on this roster anymore, and his two years of control could be packaged with other pieces to bring a meaningful piece. (And since it was reported that Lux was in the Dodgers’ offer for DWilliams, it seems the team might agree.)
I’d be stunned if Lux is a Dodger on Opening Day…..
Joemo
The luxury tax sure is doing its job….
Now all we need is Sasaki to announce he’s signing with LAD. (Unrelated to the luxury tax comment?
murphy8
Sasaki better go elsewhere, hopefully the Cubs
Joemo
Why would he? Unless he doesn’t want to live in the shadows of Ohtani and Yamamoto, it’s his best option.
I’d love for him to come to my team (Red Sox) but because ownership doesn’t care about winning anymore they didn’t even get a meeting with him.
MeowMeow
Maybe if we trick Henry into thinking he’s actually looking to play for the Pittsburgh Penguins he’ll wake up
Joemo
I am secretly hoping the Sox aren’t in on Sasaki and right after he signs elsewhere, they trade or DFA Yoshida.
VonPurpleHayes
Because of deferred money, they’re not even spending the most this year. It’s wild.
Seamaholic
They are. Teams with deferred contracts pay every dime of it every year. They just pay it into escrow and not to the player.
VonPurpleHayes
Right, but it allows the team to spend more per year, avoiding CBT penalties. That’s my point. So, the Dodgers are quite fortunate to have players willing to take deferred money.
Teams like the Phillies and the Yankees are paying more in penalties than the Dodgers.
DaRaiders23
Do research before posting. The Dodgers by far had the highest penalties this year. The deferred money doesn’t lower their penalties it only lowers the amount of salary they pay out. The penalty system counts the deferred money in that year not when they actually pay the salary. Listed below are the penalty payments for 2024
Dodgers: $103MM
Mets: $97.1MM
Yankees: $62.5MM
Phillies: $14.4MM
Braves: $14MM
Rangers: $10.8MM
Astros: $6.5MM
Giants: $2.4MM
Cubs: $570K
VonPurpleHayes
You’re talking about 2024. I’m talking about right now. 2025. The Phillies currently have a higher payroll and less flexibility to avoid the highest threshold.
Thanks for last year’s numbers, but it’s irrelevant to what I just said.
Check out this article:
lonestarball.com/2023/12/11/23996986/deferred-mone…
“Deferred Compensation shall be included at its present value in the season to which it is attributed, said present value to be calculated by increasing any such payments by the Contract’s stated interest rate, if any, and then reducing such payments back to their present value by applying as a discount rate the Imputed Loan Interest Rate for the first Contract Year covered by the Contract.”
That above quote is where things get tricky and allows the Dodgers to save in CBT penalties.
Joemo
Just jumping in here – Now imagine what the Dodgers would be spending if the deferred money didn’t lower the luxury tax hit. Which is how it should be.
DaRaiders23
It doesn’t lower the luxury tax hit. The deferred amount of $68 million per year is taxed at $68 million per year. In reality the $68 million that will be paid in 10 years is more like $55-60 million now so the Dodgers aren’t saving anything.
DaRaiders23
The 2025 season CBT hasn’t even been hit, it won’t hit until November of 2025. The Dodgers will once again lead the league in luxury tax penalties since they will have the highest payroll this year (Mets and Yanks will be close) and they will be penalized for being over the threshold for 5 straight years. Do research before looking ignorant in your posts.
oldguyG
Braves and rangers were a part of the ballys bankruptcy but were not dropped .
VonPurpleHayes
Yeah. I meant payrolls and said penalties. So that’s definitely my bad. The Dodgers have been over the penalty multiple years in a row so they’ll pay more in penalties, but my point was they don’t even have the highest payroll in 2025 as of right now because of the deferrals, and those deferrals do impact financial flexibility longterm.
Joemo
DaRaiders – it infact does lower the luxury tax hit…. Look at Ohtani’s contract. His salary is 70MM per year. Since there is such a large deferral, his luxury tax hit each year is only 46MM.
DroppedThirdStrike
You misunderstood the paragraph. CBT is not skirted or manipulated
DroppedThirdStrike
His salary is actually $46MM per year but due to the deferrals he will be paid a total of $70MM when it comes due. I know it’s not easy to see this, but literally everyone with a stake in this agrees on the valuation.
Joemo
Dropped – ok, so Ohtani signed a contract saying the Dodgers will pay him 46MM a year for 10 years?
What, no he didn’t? His contract says the Dodgers will pay him 70MM a year for 10 years of playing baseball for them? Oh ok. So that means his salary is 70MM a year. No matter how you try to manipulate it, it’s really not a hard concept.
At the end of the day, Ohtani is receiving 70MM for his services per year from the Dodgers. It’s not 46MM.
DroppedThirdStrike
The value of it is $46MM due to the deferrals. It’s not a manipulation. It’s completely safe for you to ignore because all the people who actually know how it works all agree that it’s not a manipulation of CBT or luxury tax.
Joemo
The value of the 70MM that Ohtani is receiving for his year of playing baseball is 46MM? So then why not just give him the 46MM now and be done with it? Why deal with the deferrals?
I’m not ignoring anything. I get the concept. It just doesn’t make sense to double dip in luxury tax savings by 1. having to pay less and 2. having the players salary count less towards the luxury tax. Doing both of those goes against the purpose of the luxury tax.
I’m not saying the Dodgers did anything wrong or illegal or skirted any rules. I’m saying there’s a problem with the rule. Kudos to the Dodgers for doing this. It’s an exciting time for Dodgers fans.
DroppedThirdStrike
Because that’s the way they structured it. It’s $46MM plus interest. It’s exactly the same as if Ohtani loaned the money back to the Dodgers and they pay for using that money. If you borrow $10k from the bank you don’t just pay $10k back. You pay interest. His money accrues interest while the Dodgers still have it. And because it’s a fixed term loan, they can calculate exactly how much he’ll receive when it pays out. $70MM
Which was worth $46MM when the contract was signed, thus the valuation. It’s still not a luxury tax manipulation
CommentsSectionCommenter
@Joem0
LA is paying this guy $12.5M over three years.
ANY TEAM could’ve afforded that number.
So tired and basic…..
Joemo
Comments – that’s true. I don’t necessarily care about this individual signing as much as how the situation looks big picture.
Fangraphs has their 2025 projected payroll as 360MM. The whole point of the luxury tax is to prevent teams which are over it (for multiple years in a row) from making moves like this by making the moves more expensive. That’s clearly not working here.
DroppedThirdStrike
Still wrong
jaysmooth2121
See ya later lux !
rct
Woooow, sucks for Mariners fans. Do the Dodgers even need him?
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Is that rhetorical?
rct
No, it’s literally the same question you asked a few comments up.
bluesteele
So you asked a question you saw someone else ask first???
fox471 Dave
Did he get an answer?
Redwolves3
Lux may become an ex-Dodger. Don’t be surprised if Friedman packages Lux & prospects to Mariners for Castillo
MRSHOWTIME
They have spent enough on the rotation. … that’s not happening ….. perhaps at the deadline.
THEY also probably having Roki coming too
solaris602
That’s about the only logical way for them to create roster space for Kim.
leftcoaster
They could waive Chris Taylor.
karljans
Why so Castillo could be the #8 SP for Dodgers?
bluesteele
Agree! Lux is gone but LA does not need an SP. Roki is already slated for #6 role.
Bivouac-Sal
that chicken is not yet counted
bluesteele
You’re correct, the rules dictate 12 more days until they can actually say it. Worst secret in baseball.
BobbyAyala94
They might just DFA Chris Taylor.
batman2825
Why the hell would the Mariners do that!?
Doral Silverthorn
@redwolves
That’s where I’m at with this as well.
Rays in the Bay
The Mariners would be stupid to take that deal. Lux is league average. If they get some great prospects then sure. But Lux alone isn’t worth diddly.
CommentsSectionCommenter
@Rays
How about Lux, Outman and Knack for Castillo?
CardsFan57
Japan market check.
South Korean market check.
earmbrister
US market check
BlueSkies_LA
Whining right on cue, check.
CardsFan57
Why do you think that’s whining? It’s stating a truth. I’ve always said this is smart business by the Dodgers.
Devlsh
Tone deaf, check.
BlueSkies_LA
Without a clue, check.
murphy8
3 years, 300 million is the confirmed money, 299 mil is deferred 2174
Rexhudler86
@murphy8. So he signed for free.
murphy8
To play with the Dodgers I would if I were him honestly lol
Rexhudler86
@murphy8. Just looking at the year, you would pay taxes and die before you see a dollar
Rocker49
Just saying you’re a Los Karen won’t pay the bills lol
murphy8
Bro it was a joke lmao
Rexhudler86
@murphy8. The funny part fell flat. I thought you were serious
fox471 Dave
Have to have a sense of humor to get the joke. Rocker, well let’s just say comprehension does not come easy to some.
Rexhudler86
@fox. You must be the guy that fake laughs, slaps your knee, and says it was a joke when you don’t get a reaction.
fox471 Dave
Why?
bluesteele
Also how many times will someone post this joke? I have read it no less than 200 times.
Rexhudler86
@bluesteele. Probably the same fools.
kellin
@bluesteele
as many times as people use the “Los Karens” or “trashcan” in reference to the Astros.
bluesteele
Thats fair!
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Only 1 autist uses the dumb Los Karens reference. His explanation doesn’t even make any sense. Prolly cuz he’s a Trashtros fan….
LFGSD619
Congratz on being the only person to ever make that joke.
jack b
Billion dollar Dodgers strike again.
mostlytoasty
The reports are he turned down multiple deals worth more money in order to play for LAD. Can’t fault the guy but man this is getting exhausting. Reportedly met with Othani too (they share agents), which was no doubt a key influence.
Joemo
This is what happens when you have a team that is successful and is actively trying to win baseball games. People want to play for the Dodgers because the team is absolutely stacked.
If your goal is to win a championship, why would you sign with anyone besides the Dodgers? It’s embarrassing for the rest of the league.
Wire to wire 2024
Joe I guess if winning the World Series as an all star team feels good
Bivouac-Sal
It feels fantastic
Doral Silverthorn
It does. #winforvin
Pete'sView
Right, but when you have that kind of money to buy whoever you want, they spend because their farm system— despite all the hype,— turns out very meh players. What makes the Dodgers so fearsome is money and that is obscene.
Joemo
Pete – right, most prospects don’t meet their potential. So you have owners who will spend in FA to fill roster holes and then can trade their prospects for really good players because they already have a good team.
karmabad
bingo. LAD are playing an entirely different type of game. there’s a reason why other owners earlier this week straight up said the LAD front office is the best in baseball.
metsin4
Wow because they signed a no power second baseman that wasn’t dinging much of a market. Congrats on getting a a very poor mans Luis Arraez.
Devlsh
Then again, they’re playing Monopoly with five times the starting money of most of the other teams.
If you really want to judge a front office, have them all start with the same payroll.
Frankly, I don’t see how anyone can say the Rays aren’t the best run team, given the fraction of the money they have to spend and yet still turn out a quality product.
Bivouac-Sal
has here ever been a signing on any non-Mets team you didn’t piss on? and change your screen name will ya? mets don’t win anything in 4.
Devlsh
He might mean “four years”?
metsin4
They didn’t beat the Phillies in four games? don’t worry Dodger fans will be pissing on this signing soon enough.
Avory
Cleveland does an excellent job too, but the divisional competition the Rays have to deal with annually easily makes them #1.
Andrew Friedman proved his chops during his Tampa tenure, so I won’t assail his bonafides, but it’s laughable that guys like Brian Cashman or Theo Epstein were ever held in high regard considering the largess available to them.
I always said that it would get dicey if any big market team married smarts and deep pockets. Fans of small market teams depend on big markets to be dumb and wasteful in order to compete. Thankfully, most big market teams ARE run by incompetents.
taran7
Oh. Except for the gold glove and the many stolen bases.
stymeedone
You sign with a team that will actually have playing time for you. How fun is winning a championship from the bench?
JJJ returns
Where did you read that he turned down deals that were worth more? The only thing I read was that no one came close to matching what his camp was hoping for (something like 3 years $24 million).
Rays in the Bay
They know that if they are all on a super team they will be massively overpaid when they enter the FA market again. Being on the Dodgers hides a lot of the player’s faults.
King Floch
Gotta catch ’em all!
radhippo
Boring
ron_karate
On all that is holy, put Betts back in RF.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Has the advantage over Lux in marketability….
Digdugler
They are getting Roki, this one doesnt move the needle that much, But still funny.
Goetta
They just bought a World Series and turn around and spend like a billion dollars to improve their team this offseason. Baseball is out of control. Keep looking the other way Manfred. There is no way anyone can convince me that what is going on with the Dodgers is remotely fair.
Van Lingle Mungo
The only players they “bought” were Ohtani and Yamamoto, but even he has a more reasonable contract than Soto. I won’t convince you, but your take that they “bought” the WS is silly. They traded for Betts, Kopech, Flaherty, Taylor, Muncy, and Glasnow, signed Freeman to a reasonable contract, and had Teo on a one-year contract. Pages, Smith, Lux, Kershaw, Miller, Stone, Sheehan, May, Gonsolin, River Ryan are all home-grown. You’re mad that your team won’t spend. I get it, but be mad at your team’s owner, not Manfred. Manfred, who in most cases, but not this one, is an objectively bad commissioner, can’t violate the terms of the CBA because your owner cries poor,
A'sfaninLondonUK
@van lingle
Pretty sure Muncy was a free agent after being DFA/released by the A’s. Spent a winter with various coaches and at Driveline to remodel his swing. Around 2017/8? Anyhow, I’ve always admire his drive and effort to get back to the show. Plus I got a Muncy bobblehead on my one game to Chavez Ravine!
Van Lingle Mungo
@A’sfaninLondonUK That’s fair. I thought it was a trade, but I think that’s just Taylor.
Devlsh
“The only players they “bought” were Ohtani and Yamamoto”
Oh puhleeeze. The Dodgers use their deep pockets in every facet of the sport. When they trade for a player another team can’t afford, and then sign that player to a top of the market contract, that’s effectively buying the player. Aside from W. Smith, your list of homegrown players contributed little to nothing last season.
Van Lingle Mungo
Gavin Stone was their best pitcher until he got hurt.
Bivouac-Sal
so what?
Devlsh
I would say Glasnow and Yamamoto were….until they got hurt, but I will concede that is one other homegrown player who made a contribution.
fox471 Dave
Everything you just said is wrong.
Doral Silverthorn
@dev
Now do the Padres over the last few seasons and tell me who is better at signing good players as opposed to throwing something against a wall and seeing what sticks.
The Padres have legit turned their roster over four times (sarcasm) in the last five seasons and yet the Dodgers are the problem.
Because they win.
Because they sign the correct players.
Because they’re good at the business of baseballing.
Van Lingle Mungo
@Fox How so?
Rays in the Bay
@Van
The whole ‘they traded for X / they developed X’ argument is coping. What happens when those players reach free agency? The Dodgers outbid everyone to bring them back. They can afford to extend Glasnow/Betts/Freeman/Hernandez. They can overpay to match any other offer on the table and players will usually stay because they know it increases their market value. Buying Freeman and Ohtani and Yamamoto also is a marketing move for other players to sign there… But it’s not like they’re taking paycuts to do so. The Dodgers CAN and WILL but any FA they like. Other teams can’t or (more likely) won’t spend. Baseball IS broken. It is not the fault of the Dodgers or Mets. It is the fault of the league, a broken CBA, and cheap owners who don’t care about the quality of the game. It’s flooded with them. Manfred doesn’t do anything to pressure these owners to actually spend. Even the Athletics had to spend due to the MLBPA and not Manfred.
Van Lingle Mungo
@Rays Yes, they can extend those players, but that’s not how they acquire them. They develop prospects and have the smartest front office in baseball to do so. I’m not sure how it’s “coping” when they have the best team in baseball. They got Hernandez back at a rate less than he made last season. They can also get international players at a rate less than other teams offer because they are willing to keep their players. That being said, they also have a standard that they aren’t willing to go past. They weren’t interested in re-signing Seager at $300 million or Trea Turner at a similar rate. They’re wise in how they spend and in how they spend. In actuality, the “cope” is a product of fans of cheap owners. Manfred has no jurisdiction to direct owners to do anything other than what the CBA instructs them to do. He isn’t their boss. They’re his.
pepenas34
You can also be as mad about 1/3 of the league for not trying at all and your point would be more valid.
Just look at the hole picture.
Avory
Says the white collar executive peering down at the guys taking away his garbage. “Guys should try harder…they easily be up here with me!”
You’re the one without the “hole” (sic) picture.
pepenas34
Feel free to project yourself.
I was not blaming the world in the 90´s because my team was not performing, I was blaming the owner.
fox471 Dave
Actually, Goetta, no one is trying to convince you of anything.
hllywdjff
The dodgers own Major League Baseball and can and will do whatever they want to get whoever they want… you gotta respect that win at all costs mentality… You can’t take it with you when you die Stanton so you might as well spend it now. Like my mother has always said she’s never seen a u haul behind a hearse!
Seamaholic
They’re not winning “at all costs.” They’re still making tons of profit. They’re probably spending a lower percentage of their revenues than the Pirates and Marlins.
hllywdjff
I’m not just talking dollars. I’m talking a mentality to go out there and do whatever it takes and get the best players that they think will help them win championships
Avory
Do you defenders of big markets ever get it? The “mentality”? You mean if I just get my “mentality” right, I can have a Rolls Royce too?
It’s revenue, pure and simple. If the Dodgers didn’t have it coming in, it wouldn’t be going out. Stop acting like all owners don’t look at their revenue streams.
good vibes only
Pull yourself up by the bootstraps, Avory.
All joking aside I dont think thats the point he’s making here. The Mariners owner is a disengaged turd that refuses to invest in the club. SOME push from ownership to win should be expected and there just doesnt seem to be any pressure on Dipoto to actually make the playoffs nor resources provided to do so.
Mariners cant even pull a $4M/yr utility infielder in free agency lol
hllywdjff
So you’re telling me that Texas has way more money coming in than the Mariners?? 2023 the Rangers made 30 million more in revenue than the Mariners and they won the damn world series so I don’t believe that the Mariners don’t have the money to acquire great players like Texas did they just don’t want to…Pathetic
DroppedThirdStrike
They do look at them, they just look at them differently
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Reportedly for 3 years/$22M and I am sure it’s like $4M signing bonus, $12M deferred, $2M net present AAV.
mlbnyyfan
The Japanese Dodgers strike again.
Van Lingle Mungo
He’s Korean.
Rexhudler86
@van single. Also they only have two Japanese players.
Old York
Good to see the Karens beefing up their lineup. Rest of the league is just sitting on their hands or signing dumpster dives.
fox471 Dave
“The Karens?” Et tu, York?
wvsteve
Where’s he going to play? Is Mookie really an everyday shortstop?
kellin
2nd base.
chemfinancing
Sounds like a platoon situation for Kim until he can prove his bat and let’s just say I won’t be the one most confident he is ready to do that out of the gate
Bivouac-Sal
so you have them platooning a lefty bat with a lefty bat?
chemfinancing
Can’t you read?
Bivouac-Sal
What reality are you in? Kim is not platooning with Betts or Lux. He’s a utility bench player.
chemfinancing
Sal as far as I know, unless your not some secret alien being, we are in the same realm. With that being said, which player batted in the most runs in the 1969 World Series? was it A) Milky Betts B) Manny Rameriez C) Aaron Judge or D) Ken Griffey Jr.? It was C buddy you know it, i know it, and the stats show it.
chemfinancing
Steroids or not
Bivouac-Sal
buh bye now.
chemfinancing
Haha u guys are crazy and losers MLB is the most loser sport in the world and everyone says it
chemfinancing
No one wants to watch these losers take every pitch or swing and miss at every pitch
Bivouac-Sal
and yet here you are…on an MLB chat board.
murphy8
lol, we do like to watch losers comment in anger for no reason
chemfinancing
I’m not angry just disappointed but encouraged about my prediction of LAD over BAL. The Dodgers are head and shoulders above every team in the MLB something in a manner we may haven’t seen since the Yankees in the 1900s and 1920s
chemfinancing
I’m a baseball savant
Bivouac-Sal
@chem
you spelled cynic wrong
chemfinancing
I had it all wrong buddy – I thought they signed Ha-Seong Kim not this new one
MRSHOWTIME
NBA is the worst right now. Stars lucky to play 65 games
fox471 Dave
And yet, here you are chemfinancing.
Digdugler
Is there a site that has the math on the Dodgers CBT if there is no deferrals on any contract? We can even remove Ohtani as that one is obviously egregious.
marcfrombrooklyn
If there is no deferral, there is no way the Dodger pay him $70 million. They pay him the $46 million he’s actually getting and the CBT doesn’t change.
Penniless in Seattle
We aren’t going to do a DAMN THING, are we?
murphy8
No, you’re not, except for trade away Castillo , hold onto half his salary, and get nothing in return
chemfinancing
What’s a sweeter punch in the MLB than Arozarena and J Rodriguez? I’ll wait.
Teamspirit
Probably not, but maybe. Jerry likes to do trades as opposed to shelling out big contracts to FA.
Penniless in Seattle
What do you consider to be a “big” contract?
mynameisjeff253
AJ Pollock and Mitch Garver lol
yeasties
“Possibly maybe, probably no”, isn’t that a Bjork song? Fits the M’s for sure
Zippy the Pinhead
RF Robles
CF Rodriguez
LF Arozarena
C Raleigh
1B Raley
DH Haniger
3B Shenton
2B Bliss
SS Crawford
Bench players (4): Garver, Moore, Canzone or Marlowe, Rivas or Taylor.
It’s a juggernaut of maybe kinda sortas, with at least five guys who might hit ,200. Yeesh.
C’mon, Justin/Jerry, you’re just looking like fools now. The rest of the league is laughing at you. At least do the obvious thing and trade 2-3 high prospects for Lux. It’d be a miracle if you sign Sasaki, but even if you do, this might be the worst off-season yet. Except, of course, the owners want their first-in-MLB profit, so I guess you just don’t care.
chemfinancing
Trust me Seattle doesn’t want or need even probably Kim
Doral Silverthorn
@penniless
Why would anyone go anywhere near Seattle? They enjoy the rain, and enjoy not having laws?
Seattle has the fish throwing peeps and that’s about it.
wvsteve
The bad thing is they can trade Lux and one of their AAA starters for a very good player. Interesting to see the 40 man crunch and who they keep with options left.
Riffaxe
Of course they did.
craigin805
Four months ago most people would have said “Who cares they’ll just lose in the playoffs in the first round”. Now the sky is falling. Just think of all the joy that will be had when they lose in the playoffs next. Whenever that is
Avory
Yeah, all this does is position them. Nothing is guaranteed in this wacky sport. If you COULD guarantee wins, the Dodgers would have had many more than one non-Mickey Mouse championship in the last 35 years. Not that World Series wins are any evidence of sustained excellence.
buns cherington
he’s a bench bat calm down
Digdugler
he is a….field…glove?
Penniless in Seattle
He wouldn’t be a bench guy for us!!! At this point I just hope we do something, anything that might make our roster better!
Austinmac
The Dodgers payroll is more than $50M than anyone else. Incomparable.
Devlsh
And yet you just did….
BrianCashmansBurner
The Dodgers are so corny.
Bivouac-Sal
say goodbye to Kiké
Reynaldo's
They already said good bye 3 months ago.
Bivouac-Sal
oh gee I was not aware of that captain obvious.
Rsox
I think they were doing that anyway. Kike fits on a few teams that could use his versatility. Both Florida team’s as well as the Cubs, Angels, Twins, Mariners, maybe even the Braves are all fits for Hernandez
Bivouac-Sal
Kiké will definitely have multiple offers.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
He’ll get paid somewhere else. Then we’ll see him again at the trade deadline when his team is outta contention….
Reynaldo's
Does Hairston Jr really wear a toupee?
Zippy the Pinhead
Jerry Hairston’s Toupee: Sounds like a Mariner move to me if there ever was one.
batman2825
Screw the Dodgers! Leave some players for the rest of us. They don’t even need the guy. I hate them!
Bivouac-Sal
mature
17dizzy
Unfortunately MLB will not put in salary caps or rules in place which keeps teams from spending a billion dollars on only 2 players.
And you’re right!!! Small market team aren’t going to be able to compete in the future unless they accidentally have a minor leaguer accident Lt come up through their system.
DarkSide830
Gavin Lux, banished to the shadow realm.
Rsox
Probably Seattle, but you’re close…
chemfinancing
Trust me Lux is due for a big year if he can stay healthy I’d take him over Kim anyday
Reynaldo's
Twitter is wrong again!
Rsox
Hedging their Betts for Mookie’a inevitable return to the OF
Reynaldo's
Lux has fell out of favor with the Dodgers, just like Alex Verdugo 5 years ago.
minor league guy
*BREAKING NEWS* LA Dodgers stun baseball world by signing rest of free agent pool, lobbying for 136 man expanded rosters
kellin
There’s still only 9 positions on the field at a time per team…
vtadave
You sure?
TAKERDBACKS
Everyone knows if they win no one cares but dodger fans cause they are supposed to win. Just beyond disgusting. Every week is a new move
Bivouac-Sal
why would Dodger fans give a damn if you care when they win?
McGrundle
I think he will be the Korean Munenori Kawasaki without the dance moves.
whyhayzee
The Dodgers are doing the same thing the Yankees did after 1995. The difference is that the 1996 Yankees roster was full of cheaters and criminals. They didn’t care, they won. At least the Dodgers aren’t filling their roster with cheaters and criminals the way the Yankees did. So there’s that.
Pete'sView
whyhayzee — Bauer.
fred-3
Who was only a Dodger for like 2 months… because he was a “cheater” and “criminal”
whyhayzee
To the Yankees credit, they did eventually get slightly better at the employment of cheaters and criminals, but they’re still rewarding a big time cheater in Lump of Coal. And the Dodgers eradicated Mr. Hockey Skates as quickly as possible.
Doral Silverthorn
dude likes rough sex. If that’s a crime, lock him up.
Veejh
I thought Ohtani gambled on baseball but had a fall guy interpreter?
Rsox
But he’s a likeable guy so it’s ok…
DigglinDickers
Why would the interpreter take the fall when he’s looking at 30 years in prison? Prosecutors also said that he never bet on baseball.
Pads Fans
The maximum sentence possible is 33 years. As a 1st time offender and because he pleaded guilty what Ippei Mizuhara is facing for 1 count of bank fraud (Offense Level 15) is 18 – 24 months in a minimum security facility called Federal Prison Camp. FCI Lompoc is most likely. The sentencing guideline for and 1 count of signing a false tax return (Offense Level 1) is 0-6 months with probation most likely.
Take a look at FCI Lompoc on Google maps:
google.com/maps/place/Federal+Correctional+Institu…
Got to love the baseball field, track, and soccer field on one side and the tennis courts on the other.
Here is a link to the Federal Sentencing Guidelines
ussc.gov/guidelines/2024-guidelines-manual-annotat….
Bivouac-Sal
@ Veejh
“thought”? there was obviously no thought involved on your part.
Champs64
The MLB gets more ridiculous by the day. The inequity is going to be the death of this great game.
Bivouac-Sal
said the newspapers in 1920
Cincyfan85
There wasn’t much to do in 1920 for fun.
Champs64
Not true. Most of the players had to work a job during the winter. Few exceptions.
Reynaldo's
Your favorite team can play on easy mode too, but the owner is too greedy.
duffys cliff
Well this is just absolutely shocking.
Does this point to them trading Lux for pitching?
Bivouac-Sal
I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion Lux is being traded. Kim is more likely a utility sub.
Ben K
They also make movies in this town I’m told.
84LeFlore
It’s going to be so competitive! LA buys everybody in sight while small market teams dumpster-dive and sweat and scrounge for one signing or two.
Bivouac-Sal
If this guy is such a big deal, these other teams you refer to couldn’t come up with 4 mill per year?
ocladfan
See list of available free agents, maybe your team doesn’t want to spend?
THEY LIVE!!!
Sux to be Lux
BigGarg
I can’t wait until the Dodgers run out of roster spots and the higher ups in charge of things just expand the major league roster size so the Dodgers can just add more players. It’s not like they care about competitiveness at all. It’s a meme at this point.
Craviduce
in 2030 the Dodgers will announce plans to relocate to Tokyo
Devlsh
I think they’ll just buy the Marlins and let their overflow players play for the “East Coast Dodgers”
DroppedThirdStrike
They have exactly 2 Japanese players
Jabronie23
Guess they’re trading Lux?
norcalblue
Dodgers just live in the heads of so many….sheeesh
deepseamonster32
The boring part of the video game on easy mode, when you’ve signed starters to fill all bench & AAA roles, and you’ve got 5 closers & the best 12 set-up men money can buy.
But you play on anyway, amassing more championships. At least the Dodgers can’t reset the console when they lose.
Reynaldo's
Your favorite team can play on easy mode too, but the owner is too greedy.
deepseamonster32
No and yes. MLB’s revenue model does tier the teams. The Red Sox, Yankees and Dodgers, plus a few others can play at the highest end, while most teams do have payroll decisions to make.
Sure, my team could spend more, half the league could. But they all still would be outspent by the Big 3/4/5/6
nacb55
Good lord- just a bunch of sour people on this board. I think Craig in 805 is right- no one would have cared a couple of months ago and would have laughed at the efforts. Now the Dodgers are the biggest most evil team… I can’t wait to see the final spending at the end of the off season and people start to understand that the Mets have more deferrals than other teams and actually have the want/ability/drive to spend more than the others.
I’m tired of people watching the pocketbook of corporations and billionaires. There is obviously money to be made in baseball if you can field a good team… there should be a salary floor, screw a salary cap. Encourage investment in this sport- it makes it a million times more interesting.
BigGarg
I don’t think anyone has a problem with the Dodgers themselves. They are doing what they are allowed to do, and are one of only a very small handful of teams who are actually trying to field the best team they possibly can. It’s just a gut punch for the rest of us. Baseball is just broken, and no one really cares because all owners are making money and money is all that matters to rich people.
nacb55
I think it sucks that teams aren’t trying to field a competitive roster.
MLB needs something to put ownership groups under pressure to perform. There should be some type of “stick” that punishes consistent non-spenders and consistent poor results (If a team doesn’t spend but performs great then they can be omitted from the punishment).
I’m not super familiar with European soccer but they do have different levels of teams and the bottom teams get demoted and lose a crap load of sponsors and revenue so there is constant pressure to not be in the bottom. Perhaps we should be looking at creating a two tiered league where we have the upper MLB teams as ones who want to compete and then the other half with teams that get massive rewards for jumping up to the other league.
There just isn’t any pressure on owners to spend… my brother works for the Fisher’s and it is insane to me that it took MLB to pretty much allow the real version of Major Leagues to happen 30+ years after the movie came out. This time the Indians didn’t make the playoffs and stay in Cleveland.
Watch out Rays- Nashville here you come. Which sucks because they are actually run very well and not a standard bottom barrel team.
Devlsh
Do you really think the ownerships in Kansas City, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Milwaukee, etc etc etc. can spend the same amount as those in LA and NY?
If you’re reply is, “No, but they could spend more’, how exactly does that fix the payroll disparities, especially since the NY and LA teams could just spend even MORE to offset the smaller market’s additional spending?
I acknowledge some of the smaller markets could spend more….but that won’t level the playing field any more than you buying the nicest car you can afford and comparing it to the car someone else who makes 4X as much buys.
nacb55
I’ll play along…
In LA & NY your local people have about 1 million other things to do. These teams have to pay to be interesting to the average person in the community.
I’d say that most of the smaller market teams actually have an easier time making their teams interesting to their local fans but have failed to keep interests when tanking and hoarding prospects.
The Pirates of the 80’s/90’s were selling things out. So were the Royals, Cardinals and Reds.
This is a classic chicken and egg conversation. I’ll spend more when attendance grows, attendance won’t grow until you spend. These teams stopped spending because they wanted a reset of sorts- meanwhile they lost fan enthusiasm, belief that owners want to win or care, etc. If you look around these teams- almost all of them have a newer ballpark and nice communities/amenities in the surrounding area. The owners have money to spend… they are just too comfortable earning what they are earning while fielding mediocre teams.
Back to the car analogy- That same really nice car that most people can’t afford also requires a substantial amount of resources to maintain the vehicle- NY/LA/PA/SF/SD/TX have to pay more in interest taxes to keep their car on the road, it isn’t surprising or unexpected that they have to pay more but these other teams have the resources to pay a hell of a lot more than what they have been.
Devlsh
Thanks for playing along.
Attendance represents just part of a team’s income, but there’s a world of difference in a market the size of Milwaukee and Los Angeles.. Look at the discrepancy between the TV contracts for the Dodgers and the Pirates (or Royals or Brewers or…you get the idea). It’s not even close. Now compare the advertising and business base. Again, no comparison.
You seem intelligent; you’re not really trying to say that small market teams and ownerships with less money can spend the same as larger market teams and owners with more money, are you?
And (back to the car analogy), are you saying because Bill Gates had to spend more in taxes when he bought his hypothetical Maserati and that it costs him $125 to change the oil, that it somehow makes my Mitsubishi an equal or better deal because I had to pay less in taxes and get my oil changed for $25? I daresay the $25 means a lot more to me than the $125 does to Mr. Gates.
I openly acknowledge some teams could spend more than they are…..but that doesn’t negate the fact they CAN’T spend as much as the larger market teams, who can easily match whatever increase the small market teams achieve.
nacb55
Both cars get you down the street. They take you there in different fashions. If you choose your transportation to be a bus then you are going to give up time, patients and possibly comfort compared to the other vehicles.
The Rays have largely operated successfully for the past 20 years driving a Mitsubishi.
Spending money is one thing… spending it on what you can afford and being efficient with the money is the name of the game.
Cost of advertising in LA is different then media purchase in PIT. Land costs are significantly different. Employee salary is different… things are different. Each geographic area has their benefit and detriment- teams have to leverage what the can. For example- teams in states where there is no income tax have a massive advantage for mid-tier free agents who don’t have generational f-off money that want to shelter the wealth they are creating. Do we complain when it benefits those teams? LA/NYC are big cities full of opportunity, risks and busts. It’s just as easy to go broke with poor spending here than massive income.
My main point is that teams are sitting on their hands and trying to pick their timing for signing big names. That isn’t good for sports. I blame it on the Astros because they built a dynasty based on this method and started a movement of sorts… baseball can adapt and will adapt but fans need to point frustration at their own teams. They can point to the Dodgers as a model they’d like to emulate- but the owners need some fire under their @sses to get them moving.
Devlsh
Perhaps we’re arguing different things.
I’m in favor of a level playing field. I want to see what the ownership of the Dodgers, Rockies and Rays do with the SAME resources. I want fans in Pittsburgh and Cleveland and Milwaukee to feel they have the same chance to assemble a winning team as the fans in New York and Los Angeles, and to have the same chance of re-signing their homegrown players.
It’s an insular sport where 30 teams otherwise play by the same rules: 26 man active roster, 40 man extended roster, nine guys on the grass, same distance to first base, same baseball, everyone playing 162 games.
I strongly suspect you’d be against allowing one team to put 10 players on the field or use aluminum bats. It wouldn’t be fair. Allowing one team to spend 3X, 4X or 5X what another teams does isn’t fair either, and damages the integrity of the sport IMHO.
THEY LIVE!!!
Rays need to move about anywhere but Tampa Bay because of the huricanes & poor attendance.
nacb55
To be clear I think all teams can afford payrolls of at least 300 million.
Until you see that equity then you’re the one holding whatever in your hand while you’re convinced the billionaires aren’t making money.
DroppedThirdStrike
@Devlsh As an owner, allowing another team to outspend you by 3X, 4X, 5X and doing nothing when there are numerous, affordable, common sense ways to improve your competitiveness is what damages the integrity of the sport and is a disservice to their fans.
The financial playing field isn’t equal. But there is no monopoly on innovation, development, scouting, statistics, etc. If FA was the only way to improve a team you’d be correct, but it isn’t.
Frankie Bani
Dodgers become de Asian Team
Mickey Solis
And the funniest thing is people think these greedy pigs are done. Just let the bandwagon trolls posing as “fans” keep defending their “honor” while everyone else begins to tune out what has become a joke of a sport. Seriously. This is beyond disgusting at this point.
Bivouac-Sal
please do tune out Solis. You are so frigging boring.
Reynaldo's
Why, does your favorite team not play under the same CBA?
pepenas34
We have been very spoil as fans last 13 years, with owners willing to go always more, just be as mad about the ones that don’t care also.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
Do posted players retain their full set of options if they don’t include something to the contrary in their contract?
$4M/year for an optionable utility infielder is pretty good.
Reynaldo's
They most likely have stipulations to retain the right to refuse being optioned down.
Gwynning
I remember the Pads *could have* sent Ha-Seong down, but only with his permission. Contract stipulations permeate the game.
BronxBombers23
Who cares? Seems like no team wanted him…
Bivouac-Sal
the guy won four gold gloves in Korea. Dodgers simply collecting guys who can help avoid 5th inning, game 5 shenanigans. but who cares?
dasit
trigger warning, please
❤️ MuteButton
The Dodgers will probably win the World Series again, and they should with what they’re spending. It’s bad for baseball, but whatever :-/
em650r
Lux and Taylor got rings now they will be somewhere else in 2025.
Looks like the Dodgers have an infielder who has a great batting average.
differentbears
Lux and Taylor got their second rings.
please disperse
Guess this is what you can do when you get Ohtani for 2M a year and defer money on all FA contracts.
toptimrubies
The guy is making 4M a year. Any team could sign him.
Gwynning
Yes any team could sign him, tim… that’s not the point when *the player* can only choose one team.
yanks2323
LA Dodgers ensure winning the World Series for the next 20 years by signing everyone present and future in MLB
Moneybags 2
This is getting f%$king ridiculous!!! Other teams other than major market teams need to spend more money. He’ll, there are 4 or 5 that haven’t spent a damn dime.
metsin4
No one else really wanted him.
❤️ MuteButton
For the right price they would
Wrian Washman
This is getting ridiculous, and before someone cries “YAnkEeS aNd mETs dO It ToO” No. The. Hell. They. Don’t…
fred-3
The Mets had a higher payroll than the Dodgers the last 2 seasons
Wrian Washman
They paid for 2 players that weren’t even playing for them anymore find something else to be delusional about
fred-3
Wrian, that’s the Mets fault for buying players they no longer want. They still were paying for them, it still goes on the books. I know you would be complaining if the Dodgers were buying prospects by trading players but still paying for their salaries.
differentbears
So the Mets have been doing it, but in a dumber way?
nacb55
Yes they do. If the Dodgers signed Soto- then I could imagine why everyone would be up in arms.
And stop crying over a $4 million dollar player! Any team could have had this guy… I think he is a bench piece here or platoon (taking Kike’s spot) but good lord be mad at your team’s owner!
The baseball fans are turning into the Karens of the sports world. I thought most of us enjoyed the game because of the amount of strategy and thought that goes into every execution of the game. Now I see that we just cry and want a lolli everytime a big market team spends money.
Wrian Washman
Can’t wait for the next CBT negotiations to fix this mess. There’s no strategy anymore besides have the most money. Either cap the ceiling or make the luxury tax penalties more than just money. Start stripping draft picks for every tier and make them pay a higher percentage for revenue sharing. Bet this crap ends real quick when the dodgers can’t pick until the 10th round every year and all their profits go to the A’s.
cpdpoet
Just got back, happy hour starts a little early here in King of Prussia today. Some Sam Adams, start a fire and read these comments.
As a Phillies fan, he’s interesting but hot needed here…
It just seems like the Dodgers are collecting hummels or something at this point …… (insert bottle cap sound)
YaGottaBelieveAgain
Yeah Hey Everyone Just Chill and Mellow Out to
Shawn Mullins Lullaby –
A Classic Song
Smoove and As Cool as the Other Side of the Pillow
R.I.P. Stuart Scott – BLEEP Cancer !
angels fan for life
Dodgers are ruining baseball buying World Series
Bivouac-Sal
Angels. Now that’s comedy.
Reynaldo's
Save some grub for the miserly Angels?
nacb55
Angels weren’t complaining when they bought Pujols, CJ, Vlad, Upton, Mo Vaughn, Rendon and Hamilton…
Your team is just poor at decision making- they are too gun shy to spend now with how much they have been burned. (not all of those signings above were bad but it shows the team is familiar with signing top free agents).
Go back to Disneyland and hope you can be happy for a brief second.
RynoScoobs
If he’s even halfway decent, they control his 26-30 season for 4 million a year. What incredible value, and makes me just shake my head that the Yankees are one piece away from a complete team, and don’t even put in a bid on a guy like this because they’re so terrified of going over the luxury tax.
They could have signed this guy, and dealt Stroman. Even if they ate 4 million of his contract, they’d be ahead 10 million. We all know it’s coming. anyway… Friedman is a beast.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Why would you assume that the Yankees didn’t bid on him? They resigned Grisham right out of the gate for $5M to be a backup. Kim wanted to be a Dodger.
RynoScoobs
Kim wanted to be a Dodger? This was a cheap deal for 5 years of his prime agreed to hours before his posting deadline before he went back to the kbo. This was a panic signing on Kim’s team’s part.
And we didn’t sign Trent Grisham. We tendered him a contract to avoid arbitration.
Bivouac-Sal
Kim had offers from several other teams. Angels offered more than twice what Dodgers did. ($28 million). I know reading is hard but it’s all out there in the media if you’d bother.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Lol. No, teams have had plenty to time to submit their offers. Angels, Cubs, Padres, and Mariners all reportedly had offers on the table for Kim.
BlueSkies_LA
Where are you getting this? Not being reported here.
Bivouac-Sal
MLBTR says: Kim’s agency, CAA Baseball, told a Korean media outlet (passed along by Jeeho Yoo of Yonhap News) that the Angels offered him a five-year, $28MM deal, while the Mariners, Cubs, and Padres also made offers with undisclosed terms. Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register contradicts that report. According to Fletcher, the Angels made an offer to Kim but did not top what he received from the Dodgers.
So that report sites conflicting sources.
SI reported 4 hours ago: si.com/mlb/angels/angels-news/angels-offered-hyese…
JP Hoonstra wrote in Newsweek that the Angels offered 28 mill. But then Hoonstra said Ohtani was signing with Toronto.
newsweek.com/sports/mlb/angels-lose-free-agent-des…
Dodgers Nation echoed the $28 mill Angels report: dodgersnation.com/hyeseong-kim-took-less-money-fro…
BlueSkies_LA
Ah, thanks. Caught in the revised article trap again!
Still, no info to confirm that he passed on better offers than the one he got from the Dodgers, as some are saying here.
Bivouac-Sal
Yeah multiple conflicting reports. I’m as guilty as the others in publishing too soon. But it seems clear several teams were involved with Kim before Dodgers sealed the deal.
denistaylor
I think the Dodgers should stop wasting time and just join one of the Asian leagues. Then they could have the Asian market and the other teams in the MLB could sign everyone else.
DigglinDickers
How many Asian players do you think they have?
Bivouac-Sal
3 and a half with one in the oven
DigglinDickers
I was going to say 3 and half also but I was counting Edman as the half.
Bivouac-Sal
that is correct. the one in the oven is Mr January 23, he whose name we dare not mention.
freddiemeetgibby
Don’t forget Doc is half too!
freddiemeetgibby
The “Asian” league? Oh because Japan and Korea are the same place in your head?
dasit
just change the name of the site to ladtr
Bobcastelliniscat
Hope the small market teams shut down baseball when the current CBA expires. Let’s see how many championships the Dodgers win during a lengthy work stoppage.
Reynaldo's
Everybody is playing under the same CBA.
Wrian Washman
And it’s a bad one so what’s your point?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Yes. Cut off your nose to spite your face.
BigRedMachine
I certainly did not see this coming and just don’t get it. The Dodgers have four players already who can play 2b- Lux, Rojas, Betts, and Taylor. I guess Edman could play there as well. Why? They are collecting baseball cards. High priced baseball cards. If you are a Dodger fan you have to love the money the team spends to win. They must have guaranteed a starting role? He would have started for the Mariners as they were in on him and made an offer….
Reynaldo's
He takes over for Lux as the LHH at 2B; Lux will be on a different team soon.
Bivouac-Sal
not so sure. Kim strikes me as a utility guy.
BigRedMachine
Does Kim project to be better than Lux? Better glove, yes. Better Base running, SB,, yes. Better hitter? Not sure I see that.
Bivouac-Sal
agree with you Red
Doral Silverthorn
@red
devils advocate: Lux is just this side of Steve Sax defensively. Not remembering many throws to 1b where Freeman was comfortable on the other end. He’s a mess defensively. I’d take a weaker bat and better glove every day of the week and not have to worry about him throwing something into the cheap seats. Hide Kim down at the bottom, hit him 9th and go from there. Also, I’m no front office person so, as always, that’s my own opinion.
Simm
I hate the la dodgers and the current system but even I can’t complain when they sign a free agent for about 4m a year. Every single club can spend this easily.
Facts are if nobody offered more they didn’t want him.
CFS77
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=lee—009jun
Says hi. KBO bust train. All aboard.
Doral Silverthorn
He’s not expected to be MVP of the league and literally no one else wanted him that badly so as to sign him for “big” money. He’s paid pretty much as an extra piece, which he is.
Reynaldo's
The best opportunity to win on the West Coast holds the biggest appeal..
Simm
Money holds the biggest appeal and he didn’t get much.
terry g
Most anyone could have signed him at $4M. Why didn’t they?
fenwayfrank
This is really getting ridiculous. There are 30 teams in MLB and no one else can sign this guy ???
Rexhudler86
@fenwayfrank. Four hours ago, everyone said he sucks, and he was going back to the kbo.
fenwayfrank
I get that, but why aren’t the other 29 teams in on this. What have the Mariners, Cardinals, Twins done. Nobody needs a 2b.?? You sign him & create depth for a trade to fix other areas of your team. It’s just a crazy off-season with the same teams being active, while others sit on their hands. SMH
Reynaldo's
Mariners fans need not lose sleep over this; this signing alone wouldn’t have made a difference for the M’s.
good vibes only
While I agree, some sign of life from the club would be awesome.
James Midway
Do they have like 70 roster spots?
2dmo4
There needs to be a f’ing salary cal
Braves Butt-Head
The Dodgers have signed the entire continent of Asia…….
More on this at 11
freddiemeetgibby
Calm down. How many do they have, like 3 or 4? Tommy and Doc are only half Asian
foppert3
Ha ha.
The Dodgers are just trolling the baseball world now ! Too good.
Austinmac
His signing isn’t about money. He obviously wanted to sign there.
n2thecards
Most teams just need a 40 man roster but LA needs like 80.
Oldguy58
Dodgers fans hope that they did their due diligence and made sure that his “interpreter” doesn’t gamble
highflyballintorightfield
First-World problem with rooting for the Dodgers is that you don’t care about half of the FA and trade market because the player is not better than then worst player already on the team.
I don’t care about this guy for that reason. This signing doesn’t make the Dodgers better.
Echopark
Don’t think this has to mean Lux is gone. If they need a space – he can’t be stashed in the minors off the 40 man, best guess would be bu-bye Grove or Feduccia in a trade – if Grove is even trade-able. It seems the Dodgers value Lux more than other teams.
Odd signing for sure given the full roster. Unless they already have a trade lined up. They still need one or two pitching spots and room for kike! Of course, Kike can sign day one of ST when 5 pitchers go on 60-day.
I am in Dodgers don’t sign Scott camp. But they will add a reliever by FA.
CarolinaCubsandKush
Lot of crying in the comments over a utility guy who probably can’t hit…
vikingbluejay67
Dodgers single handily making sure there is a lockout in a couple years time.
TheGr8One
The Angels offered 28 and just that fast all the “can’t spend like the Dodgers” comments just went poof
fred-3
The fact so many of you just assume he’s Japanese shows how racist this site is
vikingbluejay67
You’re a horrible person because you assume he’s a he. How dare you.
Skell 2
Anybody else think the entire continent of Asia wanting to play for the Dodgers is not a good thing for Baseball? I mean enough is enough aint it?
poopdollar
Can’t mandate against great marketing and geography.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
To fight back Hawaii (HI) needs to be one of the next expansion teams.
freddiemeetgibby
That’s an “odd” comment to make. Would you say the same thing about the Dominican Republic? Or Canada? If that happened…
Jiggs
This Cubs fan breathes a sigh of relief
Skruf
I can’t WAIT to see all the heads explode when they trade Snax, Lux and CT3 for Nolan Arenado…… Bwahahahahaha!!!!
Coys Bacon
His bat looks very 70s-80s middle infielder type. Good depth. Great defense. The type a big market can afford to stash as depth.
Since they are like the 50s Yankees with half the other teams the KC A’s. They can do this. And then I read that his agent is the same as Ohtani? Even if the Mariners offered him more money it would not matter.
I read where the Mariners were in line with signing him.
The Yankees stashed Jose Canseco on the bench on waivers. Just to avoid having anyone else get him around the very late 90s.
Not really that big of a deal at this point.
aragon
Baseball is doing the most it can to make the game less interesting.
Skruf
…… and isn’t there an article somewhere on here about the Mariners in search of INF help? They coulda got THIS guy on the CHEAP!
Mikenmn
I don’t care what the Dodgers do. Any other team could have offered that same package–it’s not that big in total dollars or the posting fee. You want to see gross salaries for the high-value players stabilize? Dump the CBT thresholds and dump the QO penalties. Deferrals give the impression of higher prices. QO penalties of draft picks keep big spending teams from drafting younger talent–and when they don’t have a talent in their system they have to buy it, pushing up prices.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
This move pretty much garentees that the Dodgers are getting rid of Chris Taylor as soon as possible. They will have to pair him up with another prospect, maybe a lotto type like Emil Morales (who I’m very high on)
Rexhudler86
LFG. It’s only 13 million. With 7 million extra triggers if traded. Maybe the a’s need to spend more to hit the revenue share.
AM21
Shocker.
Chester Copperpot
Dodgers are becoming bad for baseball.
Doral Silverthorn
3 months ago, it didn’t matter because they always lose in the first round. Now they’re ruining baseball by signing a borderline ML player.
Where were you when San Diego literally bought everyone the last few seasons and traded for the rest. Christmas, they already had Soto and Josh Hader and they came and went.
The only difference is the Dodgers won a world series and the Padres didn’t?
Bivouac-Sal
Good luck being sensible with the seething crowd Doral. Commendable but fruitless.
halo2afault
They’ve been bad for baseball since the O’Malleys sold the team to Rupert Murdoch.
billysbballz
Now let’s see where Lux goes? Left handed batting second baseman? Guessing the Yankees will be in on him.
Bivouac-Sal
Lux is the LAD 2B
futuregm12
The players association needs to stop being p*****s and let there be a salary cap. The only MLB players that have a right to complain about not getting paid enough are the minor leaguers.
Begamin
a player signing for 12.5m over 3 years isnt a salary cap problem wtf lmao
futuregm12
It’s not so much in regards to this signing, but the fact the Dodgers can pretty much bring in any player they want.
TheGr8One
Yes the players association should absolutely vote to restrict their own earning power.
Brilliant take, I’m sure the secret ballot is being passed around as we speak
empirejim
futuregm? Caps are not going to make everyone equal. It shows in EVERY sport that has a cap. Some GM’s and owners are just smarter. Some just dont care about winning. The Dodgers have the winning combination of driven ownership and a very competent front office.
DarrenDreifortsContract
Ohtani 2.0
THEY LIVE!!!
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THEY LIVE!!!
Plus 2 thumbs
Cap & Crunch
Is this Taylors pink slip?
Kikis odds just went down the toilet now
How much more do they need to add with Outman and Lux for Munoz from Sea? I see another move somewhere coming soon
A nice cheap high leverage RP with some locked in years behind him would be on my radar
TheGr8One
Seattles not moving Munoz on that pillow of a contract. Not happening
energel
i wish as a pirates fan, i can just think of a star, and the pirates probably get him through trade or free agency.
BigRedMachine
Captain Crunch Berry- One sided idea. The Mariners are not trading there one and only stopper on that contract. .
Cap & Crunch
Was looking for the “More” part of the deal analysis in replies
I’m aware of how good Munoz and his contract is.
Id be careful using (Mid market team- Rp – would not trade) all together in the same sentence. There’s always a price and I’m curious what that would be roughly.
Plenty of other Rp candidates fit this bucket as well that they could target.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Heard that Kim can’t refuse being optioned to minors. Could the Dodgers keep him at AAA if he’s not yet ready to contribute, and fill in for any injuries? If true, seems like there could be some real spring training competition for bench spots.
Niekro floater
Really wanted Dodgers to sign other Kim from Pads. Know he’ll be dinged up for beginning of 2025 but dude is a stud n real team player. Whoever gets em gets very underrated infielder, who can play cpl positions well, has wheels, n is nice lil hitter. Trust the process. Go Dodgers !
empirejim
Major shoulder surgery is a lot more serious than “dinged up”. Until he shows he’s somewhere close to normal I think he will have to settle for a one year low dollar deal. Too bad, I hoped to see him in Blue as well.
BlueSkies_LA
In fact, they are both Ha-Seong Kims (slightly different English spellings but I presume the same name in Korean). So it’s only a matter of time before Ha-Seong Kim grounds out to Ha-Seong Kim.
THEY LIVE!!!
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Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
Oh thank god! I was afraid the dodgers would go a week without signing another free agent!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Yes, but the White Sox will match that by claiming the jettisoned catcher off the 40 man. Just you watch
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
The White and Red Sox will clunk heads going after him
PutPeteinthehall
No it’s at least 27.5. Highest luxury tier
Dumpster Divin Theo
Kim’s ball club the Kiwoom Heroes one of my faves. They possess a mighty jukebox.
Pads Fans
News from San Diego area radio is that the Padres never spoke with CAA or Hyeseong Kim regarding joining the team. They checked in early about what it would take to sign him but never made an offer. Preller did his due diligence and that is it.
tbone0816
I think k they should make a division of the following teams: Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, RedSox
denistaylor
No, Soto has to stay in the NL East and never get past the Dodgers to play in the World Series…
dasit
by june he’ll be in the rotation
sugoi51
Wow, Cartaya went from No. 1 LA prospect in 2022 to DFA land. I know Rushing is good, but poor Diego is only 23 and falling off the baseball map.
BlueSkies_LA
Yes, this seems like the news flying under the radar. That, and having two players in the NLW named Ha-Seong Kim.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Sleeping Tigers.
bravesfan
I just don’t understand… I can’t wrap my head around this. What are the dodgers gonna do with all this depth… like, they are literally running out of space to put them and most definitely play them. Then you think, we’ll trade some to upgrade, but what do you upgrade? Lol you 6th bullpen arm? Lol I mean seriously, it’s getting silly…
energel
its like they have 2 world series rosters now.
Niekro floater
Dodgers don’t want to have to give away prospect capital @trade deadline. Friedman hates dealing youthful talent for 2 month rentals. He’s stocking up w/real quality depth now n its only costing LA money. Knows thing or two bout competing w/injury depleted rosters n not getting hosed @trade deadline. Should make for exciting year @Dodger stdm.
BigRedMachine
Not sure that the Mariners would have offered three years with Cole Young hopefully a year away.
YankeesBleacherCreature
You can trade a player if they’re blocking somekne.
PrincessYuki
All in all it’s shaping up to be another boring offseason. The most exciting thing to happen was Juan Soto signing with the Mets and it was only exciting because he signed with the Mets.
FRL
Is this guy basically Mauricio Dubon?
Joe It All
You can keep blaming the Dodgers for signing everybody but they aren’t forcing people to sign with them. If you want to blame anybody blame all of the Kevin Durants that want to sign with them for an easier path to a World Series.
drprofkevin
As a Texas Rangers Fan I have to say bless y’all’s hearts! It is honestly adorable watching all this hand-wringing from the cheap seats. Let me tell you what the Rangers are going to do::: WIN. That’s it. That is the plan. No crying, no excuses, no overthinking trades or payroll. We took care of business in 2023, and we are locked and loaded to do it again in 2025!!!
Keep talking about salary caps, bench bats, or whether the Dodgers are “bad for baseball.” Meanwhile, we will be swinging for the fences and making moves that count. Y’all can keep debating over Gavin Lux or whoever; while you are doing that, we will be putting up rings and enjoying the view from the top.
And if anyone wants to argue, we have got one thing to say::: scoreboard. See you in October: if y’all even make it. Show some pride!!!
Bivouac-Sal
this will age well…
Citizen1
I remember at one point the dodgers signed every Cuban or amateur free agent under the sun. Few if any reached the majors. One bit the ear of another player. Andrelton simmons at his peak is a better signing than this.
Primitive Screwhead
OK, now I’m laughing at Mariners fandom thinking that he was a lock to be a Mariner.
Mariners fans are so codependent.
1979andcounting
MLBTR really missed on this player. Like by nearly 100% on their $8M AAV for 3 years and rating him #26 FA this offseason. KBO players are always going to be a crapshoot though.
Rays in the Bay
Boy at this rate the Dodgers bench team will be better than half the starting teams in the league.
Shrutefarm
I was hoping they would bring back Kike just because of the energy and clutch vibe he brings. I guess there’s still time I suppose. But now another roster spot is gone. With that said, it feels as if there is a move coming to purge some room onto the 40 man roster. Lux? CT3? Outman?
cecildawg
Some say ‘the system’ is broken. Actually, quite a few say ‘the system’ is broken. When the yankees were winning in the fifties, (mostly against the doyers), did people say the system was broken? I don’t know either. I do know that Walt got 23 one year contracts. Players worked during the winter. We, the fans got through it. Yes, the folk in Brooklyn still hurt. This system is winning and losing and is baseball. I love baseball. Baseball isn’t broken, unless i just have blinders on. I am a Dodgers fan since they got to LA. I went to a WS game in the Coliseum. Now that this Guggenheim runs them we have won multiple divisions and been in 4 WS in 8 yrs. If ‘the system’ is broken it might have something to do with parity. And the monopoly that is allowed. I do not know. I love my Dodgers as you love your team. I cannot afford to go to games. My fault or the system is broken. Baseball, i believe will get through this. Some how. Baseball is bitchin. Bottom line.
Maybe ‘systems’ are born to be broken.
Not in a straight line and nothing new here. When does the season start?
YankeesAreDodgersEast
Ah yes, this behomoth of a move broketed baseball.
Baseball never had a cap, it doesn’t have a cap, and will never have a cap, why, because it’s parallel to what this country is founded on. Free market.
You think it’s right, that all the revenue the Cowboys generate, from their brand and image, gets sent to the Bengals, who would probably let their players walk to road games if they could get away with it? Why do they get to give Chase a monster deal, from money someone else made?
Part of the parity of the league, is your ability to generate your competitive advantage. If you have hideous logo/colors, incompetent front office, don’t market your brand, and are cheap, why do you deserve the same advantage as someone who knows how to run a franchise? What’s the point of running a team then?
Joe It All
What’s with the Bengals hate? Haha
YankeesAreDodgersEast
Lol idk they caught shrapnel
This one belongs to the Reds
A level playing field keeps a sport healthy as the other sports surpassing baseball in popularity has proven.
There is a reason baseball is dying in flyover country and the average age of a baseball fan is over 50 now.
Baseball has been broken for two decades, it is just getting worse over time. Now people are finally noticing.
YankeesAreDodgersEast
That might be true, but has nothing to do with parity or competition.
You can have a payroll under 100m and win the World Series.
Popularity is less because the quality of human beings today is less. That’s my opinion. Not enough dopamine for the cockroach brain of today.
JoeBrady
Los Angeles designated catcher Diego Cartaya for assignment
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For all the 600 comments, I am a bit surprised that no one talks about DFA’g a former top-20 prospect.
Kewldude69
The Dodgers have literally signed two free agents that were not on the team last year – Snell and Kim. And Kim is only 12 million. Meanwhile when the Rangers won it all in 2023, their entire staff were free agent signings, along with Seager and Semien. Then look at them Phillies – Harper, Castellanos, Schwarber, Wheeler… It’s plain and simple, no matter what the Dodgers do (and they sure as hell do things right), they will always have haters
Bivouac-Sal
you forgot Conforto
Redstitch108* 2
Thank goodness Halos did not get him. They don’t need a light hitting utilityman. They need pitching and an impact-bat 3rd baseman. Money spent better elsewhere.
bluesfan76
I just can’t imagine he would rather be a bench player for the dodgers than a starter for either the mariners or even the angels. You would think he could have signed a shorter deal 2/yr with 3rd/yr option and show that he is good enough to play in the majors and then cashed in before he hits 30
Yankeesforever
Billionaires run teams but that doesn’t mean they desire to hemorrhage money to put a better product on the field.
Many baseball markets can’t generate the same R.O.I as the Yankee or Dodger market can.
If Cincinnati spent like the Yankees, they still can’t charge prices like the Yankees do or expect revenues to match.
Their market is simply not economically large enough to sustain the expenditure.
Dutch Vander Linde
They should just move the Dodgers to Japan cause is looking like every Japanese wants to sign with the Manfred Dodgers.
DroppedThirdStrike
Yup, all of them. Ohtani and Yamamoto. 100% of the Japanese market cornered.
Please be smarter. Or quiet.
Dutch Vander Linde
You have been brainwashed by them.
DroppedThirdStrike
At least I can tell the difference between Japanese and Korean.
Bivouac-Sal
@ Brainless Dutch
Kodai Senga — NY Mets
Yusei Kikuchi — Angels
Shota Imanaga — Cubs
Seiya Suzuki — Cubs
Yu Darvish — Padres
Yuki Matsui–Padres
Kenta Maeda–Tigers
Masataka Yoshida–BoSox
Naoyuki Uwasawa–BoSox
Shintaro Fujinami–Athletics
Ohtani-Dodgers
Yamamoto–Dodgers
Big Poison
New players entering the league should need to enter the draft, like every other pro sports league.
This isn’t about a replacement-level player in Kim, I mean he likely isn’t even good enough to start for the Pirates; the frustration fans have is this- OBVIOUSLY PLAYERS WOULD RATHER PLAY FOR THE DODGERS, especially compared with the Pirates. Athletes want to win. And even professional athletes are smart enough see they have a better chance to win in LA blue. Because the entire system is broken.
Free agents are one thing. But to me, the real inequity is the broken international free agent market.
Kim should be playing for whichever team used a draft pick on him first. Not due to being winners of a popularity contest.
DroppedThirdStrike
They were already drafted, and played out their contract. Now they’re free agents and free to sign with whomever they like, just like in every other pro league
Bounty Hunters IA
How much did the cheaters defer this contract?
Bivouac-Sal
Learn the rules genius.
17dizzy
What do we have in Major league baseball???
4-6 teams actually playing for a World Series Championship???
24-26 MLB Teams in Rebuild??
This Commissioner better grow some and get a handle on how much a team can spend per year or Baseball won’t be our National Pastime any more!!
Watch what happens in 2025…… those 24-26 teams who can’t afford to pay the big bucks will all lose money at the gates this season!!
It will be worse in the following years —- until spending caps or stronger penalties are put in place.
17dizzy
Something has GOT to be done!!!
DroppedThirdStrike
Free agency is merely one way to improve a team. Drafting and developing, and making shrewd trades are also ways.
Owners don’t see a need to make changes, neither do the PA or MLB itself.
A team signing a utility infielder to a very reasonable contract in no way demands that something in fact be done, no matter how many exclamation points you use.
This one belongs to the Reds
It’s not our national pasttime NOW.
Bivouac-Sal
This day in Los Angeles Dodgers history saw the team become the first in MLB history to purchase their own aircraft for player travel on Jan. 4, 1957. The Dodgers, who were in Brooklyn at the time, purchased a Convair 440 two-engine airplane for more than $700,000, which had room for 44 passengers.
And the hating began to take off.
Clif
I am reading a lot of blogs where people are getting upset that teams like the Dodgers have unlimited amount of money to spend on free agents. There is no denying that this is true. They can basically buy themselves a World Series ring by signing other small market all stars when they become free agents. The Dodgers have probably done this the most over the past couple of years. There are other large market teams that are also guilty of this. Instead of complaining, the fans are the only ones who can get this to change, and apply pressure to MLB to get a salary cap. My suggestion starting next year…. If it is large market teams playing each other in the playoffs, don’t watch. That is what I did once my Brewers team was knocked out of the playoffs. I did not watch teams like the Mets, Yankees, or Dodgers. I did not watch 1 inning of the World Series. If most baseball fans don’t watch the large market teams in the playoffs, it would be my hope that baseball will finally wake up. I plan on doing this again this year if it happens.
DroppedThirdStrike
When the large market teams make the playoffs, viewership goes up dramatically, because well, they’re the largest markets.
Bivouac-Sal
@ clif
Lots of us are planning for you to repeat your 2024 playoff experience
The Saber-toothed Superfife
This is getting ridiculous.
Apparently, the A’s should
MOVE TO LA.
ITs FUN
ITs.NOT.FUN
Another team.in LA would.make.sense.
THE DODGERS
drdback
I have a way to end limitless spending like the dodgers seem to have while not mind paying over $110 million annually for exceeding the MLB luxury tax threshold. I don’t know if the MLBPA would go along with it though. Team owners should get together and encourage fining teams that exceed the luxury tax threshold for three consecutive years to the same amount they are paying for team salary. Additionally, violating teams should lose ALL draft picks and international pool money for a year as well. Repeat violations in the following three years should result in the same penalties being imposed. This would all be based on year-end salaries.