The Blue Jays and right-hander Max Scherzer are reportedly in agreement on a one-year deal with a $15.5MM guarantee, without any deferrals. The deal for the Boras Corporation client is pending a physical. The Jays have a full 40-man roster and will need to make a corresponding move to make this official.
Scherzer is obviously a legend in the game and a future Hall of Famer. He debuted back in 2008, has almost 3,000 innings in the majors with a 3.16 earned run average, three Cy Young trophies, eight All-Star selections and two World Series rings.
The question is what he has left in the tank at this point. He is now 40 years old and coming off an injury-marred season. He started 2024 on the injured list while recovering from offseason back surgery. Though he recovered from that, he also battled a nerve issue in his hand, shoulder fatigue and a strained hamstring throughout the season. He was limited to just nine starts and 43 1/3 innings.
That obviously creates some concern but Scherzer has been remarkably durable throughout his career. In each full season from 2009 to 2023, he made 27 or more starts and logged at least 145 1/3 innings. From 2013 to 2018, he had six straight seasons of hitting the 200-inning plateau. In short, 2024 was the first season of his career where he missed significant time.
Even though the volume of his output was low, some of the results last year were still decent. He posted a 3.95 earned run average over those nine starts. His 22.6% strikeout rate was a drop for him personally but still around league average, while his 5.6% walk rate was still a very strong mark. His velocity was down as well on his fastball, going from 93.7 miles per hour in 2023 to 92.5 mph last year.
There are obviously some yellow flags in there but it’s of course possible that better health could lead to some better results. It’s a bit of a gamble for the Jays but this is clearly the market rate for a veteran pitcher with some question marks. Each of Justin Verlander, Charlie Morton and Alex Cobb secured one-year deals worth $15MM this offseason. Scherzer symbolically got past that group with an extra half mil.
There are many ways in which Verlander and Scherzer are similar, given their lengthy careers full of accolades. The two have also crossed paths many times, as they were both in the Detroit rotation just over a decade ago, before reuniting with the Mets more recently. Verlander’s 2024 was also injury-marred, though with perhaps some more concerning numbers. His 17 starts and 90 1/3 innings were more than Scherzer managed but Verlander had a 5.48 ERA and his strikeout rate dropped all the way to 18.7%. Verlander is also a bit older, about to turn 42 next month.
Cobb is only 37 but he only managed three starts last year, plus two more in the playoffs, thanks to his own maladies. He also doesn’t quite have the same legendary track record as Scherzer or Verlander. Morton, who is now 41, managed to make 30 starts for Atlanta last year but he seemingly limited his market by having a preference for clubs with spring training sites near his family in Florida.
The Jays have been connected to just about every available free agent this winter. That has included some high-profile position players like Juan Soto, Alex Bregman and Pete Alonso, as well as starting pitchers like Roki Sasaki, Max Fried and Corbin Burnes. There were obviously some frustrating misses in there, but the club has had a couple of strikes more recently. In the past three weeks, they’ve added Anthony Santander to their lineup, Jeff Hoffman to their bullpen and now Scherzer to the rotation.
While the Jays may have preferred to get one of those other starting pitchers, Scherzer keeps their commitment short. It also gives the club a very veteran rotation core. Kevin Gausman is 34, Chris Bassitt will turn 36 next month and José Berríos will be 31 in May. Those four are sure to be taking the ball with regularity, as long as they’re all healthy.
If Scherzer avoids the injury bug this year, he’ll upgrade the rotation and could perhaps indirectly upgrade the bullpen as well. Prior to this signing, Bowden Francis and Yariel Rodríguez were projected as the top options for the fourth and final spots in the rotation. Even with Scherzer in the fold, Francis will likely still get a rotation spot. After the Jays traded Yusei Kikuchi at the deadline last year, Francis got a rotation audition and ran with it. He finished out the campaign with 59 innings over nine starts with a 1.53 ERA, 26.5% strikeout rate and 3.3% walk rate. He still has one minor league option but the Jays would surely like to see if he could carry that forward.
That could push Rodríguez into a relief role, something he has done with success before. Last year was his first in the majors and he made 21 starts with decent results. He had a 4.47 ERA, 23.1% strikeout rate and 10.9% walk rate. But prior to signing with the Jays, he was a dominant closer in Japan. In 2022, he made 56 appearances for the Chunichi Dragons with a 1.15 ERA, 27.5% strikeout rate and 8.3% walk rate. He sat out 2023 while attempting to be declared a free agent.
Going into last year, Shi Davidi of Sportsnet reported that Rodríguez’s contract stipulated he could only be optioned for the 2024 season. The Blue Jays did indeed option him a few times last year but it seems they won’t be able to do so from now on, so perhaps he’ll end up in the bullpen instead. He could compete for a leverage role alongside Hoffman, Yimi García, Chad Green and Erik Swanson.
That would subtract from the rotation depth a bit, but the Jays have a few more options there than they did last year. They added Jake Bloss, who already has a bit of Triple-A and MLB experience, in the aforementioned Kikuchi deal. Adam Macko is on the 40-man roster and should be in Triple-A this year after spending most of 2024 in Double-A. Alek Manoah had internal brace surgery in June and could make a late-season return. Since Scherzer is one a one-year deal and Bassitt is going into the final year of his pact, there are long-term openings for that group if any of them have a good showing in 2025.
RosterResource now sets the club’s payroll at $250MM and and their competitive balance tax number at $273MM. That puts them already well beyond last year’s Opening Day payroll, which Cot’s Baseball Contracts put at $225MM. Their CBT number was over the line in 2024 but they ducked under when their disappointing season lead to a deadline selloff, so they will go into 2025 as “first-time” payors. They are now within striking distance of the third CBT line, which will be $281MM next year. Going over that marker this year would mean their top pick in the 2026 draft would be pushed back 10 spots.
Despite running those numbers up to new heights, it doesn’t appear they are done. Per Bob Nightengale of USA Today, the Jays are still interested in Pete Alonso if he doesn’t circle back to the Mets while Keegan Matheson of MLB.com also suggests they should still have some flexibility. Maybe the Jays will add Alonso or someone else, or finally get an extension done with Vladimir Guerrero Jr. It’s been a long, frustrating winter for Jays fans but a lot has changed in the past few weeks, perhaps with more to come. Pitchers and catchers report to spring training in about two weeks.
Jon Heyman of The New York Post first reported that Scherzer was headed to the Jays. Bob Nightengale of USA Today first reported that it was a one-year deal. Heyman then reported the $15.5MM guarantee. Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet first had the lack of deferrals.
dbacksrs
Welcome to Canada, eh?
LordD99
Max is mad for Molsons.
bigdaddyt
Mad max Zamboni edition
Poolhalljunkies
Labatts > Molson
runningwithnailclippers
Ya hoser. 🙂
VegasSDfan
Huge overpay, he has pitched what 17 games in two years
MuleorAstroMule
Matt Boyd got $29M over two years. Severino got $67M for three. Montas got $34M over two years. I’ll take Scherzer at that price.
JackStrawb
That’s the definition of a false choice. “Here, I’ll point to two bad deals, one of which is singularly ridiculous, and claim that bc the Scherzer deal might not be quite as awful (it really is), it’s actually good.”
This is the essence of a GM trying to look busy.
BennyG1919
What else do you want them to do? Nothing? You sound like the idiots saying Santander is a bad deal… it’s like do you want the player or not ? Not every deal is in your favor when you have needs. If you need to borrow money you have to pay interest , you are in a position of weakness and the lender is in a position of strength . Same goes for sports… you need the (money) player so you have to pay the cost
bwmiller79
Definitely fair deal, Scherzer and Verlander both signed on the 40 and over discount.
carlos15
True, almost all players in the end are a bad deal. There are few deals where you look back and think it was successful from the teams perspective.
holecamels35
There aren’t a lot of good cheap deals in free agency. Have to pay the market price or accept getting nothing but minor league deals or extremely flawed guys on bounceback deals.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Jack
Or is it a low risk high reward move? They likely don’t have any better options. They have money to spend. If he turns out well, then maybe they can compete? If he’s good but the team isn’t in contention them they could absolutely trade him at the deadline for a low-end prospect, and if he sucks then you cut bait and just release him. It’s just a one year deal. No harm.
MuleorAstroMule
@JackStrawb For one, I pointed to three deals. I did that to give a cross-section of other pitchers who have injury history, had significant success at the ML level, were free agents coming into this season, and signed contracts. I think that’s a fair criteria and I didn’t just cherry pick bad deals. If you feel those deals are bad, doesn’t that suggest that Scherzer’s isn’t?
JackStrawb
@KnicksFanCavsFan It’s a fair point, but I think it goes over better if the Jays weren’t clearly shooting for a wildcard berth and didn’t have significant problems with their starting pitching which Max doesn’t do a lot to solve.
If they’re looking for upside or someone they can flip if it’s all going wrong, a 40 year old coming off league average results in 2024 with lower than league average peripherals and a worse FIP (4.18) who could only take the field for 43 innings probably isn’t going to yield much of a return in a reasonable best-case scenario even if he’s fairly healthy and pitching as of the Deadline. He just doesn’t have the arm any more to really take off the way true high-upside guys can.
We can disagree of course over what his upside looks like—but I’m just not seeing the kind of upside the Jays desperately need after a 74 win season with a 94 ERA+ pitching staff. A gamble on someone like Seth Lugo or the 2025 version of Lugo in Clay Holmes at a similar AAV to what Max is getting makes (or would have made) a lot more sense for a team like the Jays who have to hit and hit big on at least a few significant gambles in order to have a shot at the postseason.
To push the metaphor, signing Scherzer seems like needing to make $100k on your last roll of the dice to save your house (what with Vlad and Bo departing) but rather than putting $20k down on a 5 to 1 bet, you put $1k down on a 2 to 1 bet. Even if you win, it doesn’t get you what you need.
gomer33
Alex Cobb got 15mil. 27 starts in 23, 9 last year but overall very durable for his career. They even put some of these things in the articles you are commenting on.
LaFleur
But that would actually require taking 5 minutes to read the article before saying it was a massive overpay.
JackStrawb
@gomer33 Cobb made only 3 starts last year, 5 if you count the postseason, but the overall point is a good one.
vtadave
Padres fans aren’t the brightest
dasit
how am i supposed to read the article when easy local girls are out there waiting to be searched?
BennyG1919
You are just jealous… what’s the right price then ? 12? Yea 3 mill big freaking whoop they are gonna have a 300 mill payroll
realist101
@ Vegas –
39 games
9 starts last year, 30 starts in 2023. That includes postseason starts in 2023.
bertod
27+9 = 17?
case
I watched a youtube video that proved 27 + 9 = 17
U-S-A U-S-A
gbs42
VegasDan was pulling a number out of thin air…or from some dark cavity…
bertod
They probably don’t know how to use baseball reference and saw 9 games last year and 8 games for Texas in 2023 and added them together not realizing that he also pitched in 19 games for the Mets in 2023. It conveniently adds them together above but the smart ass remark was more important to send than to fact check first.
JackStrawb
@VegasSDfan Yes, it doesn’t get much dumber than this.
It’s not a question of who also got $15m, it’s how these contracts are usually significantly worse than either upside gambles on converting very good relievers like Clay Holmes and Seth Lugo to starting roles, or deals for much younger players with significant, demonstrated upside like the 2024 Mets 2/27m deal with a player opt out to Manaea, or if you’d rather go in the other direction and you’re GM’ing a team desperate for innings with an ERA under 5 with promising peripherals, finding 3 starters in the Canning tier.
1/15.5m to Scherzer is better than 1/15m to Verlander, but both deals are obviously bad—low upside for old pitchers with real problems, the worst of all possible worlds.
JackStrawb
Btw, the prattle about “there’s no such thing as a bad one year deal” is obviously just that—sign a foolish 1/15m deal every year for three years and you’ve just thrown away a solid regular’s contract, or a shot at Ha-Seong Kim by going to the third year, or a high-risk high-return contract with Seth Lugo…
avenger65
Vegas: Still, Santander and Scherzer are better than what the Jays’ previous outlook was.
bruinskip
While SDfans are all too familiar with huge overpays, Scherzer started 36 games over the past two seasons, not 17. In between he had back surgery. From 2022-24 Max posted a 3.16 ERA, identical to his career mark.
NYCityRiddler
He’ll be on the IL by May. Ahahahahaha!
towinagain
Kudos to the Blue Jays and another L for the Padres.
MacGromit
L for Labatt
Longtimecoming
Glad SD didn’t invest 15 mil in a guy that is over 40. Those just aren’t sound investments banking on what he once was and what he might if everything goes right, be again 1 more time.
BITA
I was holding out hopes the Cardinals would sign him. Oh well. Jays are trying to make a run in 2025 good for them.
murphy8
Ummmm, why the Cards, to get their rotation somehow even older? To flip him at the deadline when they r 10 games below?
BITA
To sell tickets?
I promise you people would show up to see him pitch for his hometown.
CubsIn25
He went to the better birds.
Canuckleball
They’re in Baltimore
Jays and Cardinals are in somewhat similar circumstances.
CubsIn25
You’re thinking of the best birds
LaFleur
You mustn’t have seen that meme…
The one with the Blue Jay, the Oriole, and the Cardinal, they were arguing who was better based on world series trophies and the Cardinal has 11 of those. Albeit the two worst teams to win the World Series in the last 30 years ’06 and ’11, also two of the best teams to not win the World Series in ’04 and ’05
pingston
But if you calculate how long the Blue Jays have been in MLB (same as Mariners, since 1977) and apply the calculus on how few teams there were when the Cards won most of their trophies, and how bad the Orioles have been vs how great they have also been and how old that franchise is, and the excellence of the logos of all 3 teams… you get a headache.
But the Jays have won more World Series since 1990 than Cards or O’s!
(And just as many as the Dodgers…)
realist101
@LaFleur –
I’ll grant you 2006, when the Cardinals went 83-78 with a losing record after the All-Star Break. And that team was really patched together after Pujols, Rolen, and Chris Carpenter. (Molina was still in his early career, weak-hitting phase.) Worst regular season record of any WS champion. Roster had <2 WAR players in lots of spots.
The 2011 team, though, was 90-72. Better record than the 2000 Yankees and 2014 Giants. Same record as the 2023 Rangers. champsorchumps.us/records/worst-regular-season-to-…
And the 2011 Cardinals team was good, especially the very deep batting lineup when everyone was healthy. Pujols had a down year by his standards which still was 147 wRC+. Holliday and Berkman both hit better than Pujols that year. Freese's 123 wRC+ was 5th-best in the lineup (after those other 3 names plus Molina, who was a very productive hitter by this point of his career).
The 2011 team's main weakness was thin starting pitching after Carpenter. (Wainwright was out all year after TJS.) LaRussa did a great job in the playoffs of having a quick hook with all non-Carpenter starters – back before that was the norm – to limit that weakness in the post-season.
King Floch
But not the best birds!
(The Orioles)
Phree4u
Eagles would like a word
King Floch
This is a baseball site, bro.
Tacoshells
Why would you think that ? They’ve openly stated they’re scaling back payroll and trying to shed salary, even putting their starts on the trading block.
deweybelongsinthehall
I’m guessing either he fully controls his destination in the event of a trade or he got assurances that Vlade is not getting dealt. Probably both.
CKinSTL
It would be awesome to see Scherzer pitch a year back home in St. Louis before he retires..
CubsIn25
I’d be all for that. It’d give Cubs hitters some extra batting practice.
mlb fan
“Hopes the Cardinals would sign him”…The Cards never seriously considered signing Max Scherzer. He’s not one of the original members of the band they try so hard to bring in or keep together every year.
Champs64
Bita, I know that you wanted Max to join the Cardinals, but you do remember what MO said which is that he must get priority #1, #2, and #3 accomplished. We know what those are and we also know that he is not good at multitasking. I wish I felt better about our team but it looks to be a year of frustration.
Mondesi’s Cannon
Mad Max! Good for the Jays.
Samuel
LOL
They keep doing exactly what put them into the mess they’ve been in for years. Their Baseball Ops people can’t do anything else. Totally incompetent.
The McNasty1
Signed him right to the Disabled List
TheBoatmen
What list?
ATinz
Sound it out
yeah, sure!
differently abled list
CubsIn25
“Pending a physical”
Whu-ohhh
clrrogers
Yes!! Now sign either Alonso or Bregman.
pando8888
Nope, they probably gave up on Alonso!
BennyG1919
Ummm no Scherzer signed because he knows they are getting Alonso or Bregman
clrrogers
Isn’t Boras the agent for all three of Scherzer, Alonso, and Bregman? Maybe Boras told Scherzer the Jays were getting one of the other two.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
Bregman would make the off season at least a little decent. I definitely prefer Schwarzenegger at 1 year than Flaherty at anything more than that
Gwynning
Get to the choppa! Nowwww!
CubsIn25
Yeah, but if you sign Schwarzenegger for one year, you just know he’ll be back
clrrogers
Haha! Good one!
ATinz
We’ve heard this one before…….
JaysSinceBirth
We have?
ATinz
Something about Ohtani being on a plane to Toronto……
Something about Sasaki contemplating playing in Toronto……
But you knew that already.
murphy8
I’m really hoping your not comparing Shohei Ohtani and Roki Sasaki to Scherzer right now
NickTheDev
They claimed to be close to having Yamamoto at one point too!
ATinz
Uh, read it again, this time slowly.
gomer33
The Jays don’t claim these things.
Phree4u
And Suzuki and judge and Soto
Gobraves88
Noooo I wanted my Braves to get him w signing by jays
pando8888
Looks like the Mets are signing Alonso and this is a pivot move.
SomTeaver
Maybe, or they were never really in on Alonso, since most rumors came from NY beat writers who normally do not have detailed knowledge of Blue Jays upcoming signings…?
Jaysfansince92
There were a lot of rumors that Scherzer wouldn’t sign with them unless they got Alonso or a comparable player. I wouldn’t say this put them out of anything.
Goolius Boozler
In other news, the Yankees have signed Daniel Camarena
Gwynning
Heyyyyy, Slamarena!
(Sing to “Macarena”)
Aoe3
I really like this as a TOR fan. They have excellent medical and pitching staff from how their aging SP have fared last few years. Even if hes passed his prime this is still exciting and will help with pitching depth. Whole country cheering him on! Also Max’s experience and knowledge is invaluable to the team.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Go Jays!
CravenMoorehead
Jays fans excited for the chance to see 1 of his 3 or 4 starts at the former “Sky Dome” this season 🙂
bhd360
Well, I wish this was in 2016 but hey, I’ll take it!
Ducey
We all wish it was 2016
LaFleur
Last 8 years really did a number huh?
I blame covid and those responsible for its handling, but what does it matter.
wifflemeister
Why would Atlanta pay $15 mil for a what is now a fading middle-to-back end starter when they can get at least comparable performance from their young (and cheap) up and comers?
This was a good pass from AA
Higgins
because they paid Morton @ 20M for the same reason for years?
wifflemeister
Morton was a much more reliable and durable pitcher these last couple of years than Scherzer has been.
Plus, he pitched with, you know,…a broke laig!
That earns you some street cred for sure
Scherzer brings to mind the phrase, “dead arm.”
PTkirk
Went from Roki and Soto to Santander and Scherzer lmaooo
JaysSinceBirth
You’re an idiot
PTkirk
cope
whyhayzee
We’re all trying to cope with you being an idiot.
ATinz
Careful, there is a sensitive Jays fan in the comment section.
ATinz
Told ya!
Moonlight Graham
I hate it when my team signs 40-homer guys. Even worse, three-time Cy Young winners with a strong leadership presence.
PTkirk
3 time cy young winner with a back made of dust!! exciting!
LaFleur
I don’t believe the back was the issue last season? The article states he recovered and pitched then had nerve issues in his hand, not back, Hamstring issues, and a shoulder problem. I’m not a doctor, but a herniated disk is a real issue, and he thought he just “tweaked” his back? Seems like a guy you’d want around perhaps gives to much effort
Phree4u
Licncecum might be available, and he’s younger.
MuleorAstroMule
As opposed to most other teams who didn’t have a shot at either.
PTkirk
Do YOU think they really had a shot at either? haha. like they had a shot at Ohtani? no one wants to go to canada
GB85
Yimi Garcia, Max Scherzer, Anthony Santander, and Jeff Hoffman do.
MuleorAstroMule
Every year the Jays sign a high-end free agent and usually a couple mid-tier guys. There are teams that every year sign one mediocre starter, wipe their hands, and start the season. And yet the same tired narrative persists.
Toronto has a payroll around $242M. You don’t get there by not signing players.
Sk8
What a letdown.
baseballbrains
Jays are a bat and bullpen arm away from being a serious contender. Good depth get for the rotation as they can look to add a high end starter if needed by the trade deadline. Bregman in my eyes resigns with the Astros but if the Jays could get Alonso that would be huge. the market besides the mets seems pretty slim for him.
BeenThereDoneIt
This gives them the bullpen are as well.
GB85
Yariel Rodriguez will very likely be moved to the pen after this signing, but I’d still like to see Atkins sign another quality reliever. If Alonso or Bregman sign, that will be the bat they need.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Given how seemingly nobody wants to play for them, they’re kind of sort of in rebuild/re-tool mode, etc. I wonder if they had to pay a king’s ransom for Sherzer.
1 year/$40M or even 1 year/$50M or something truly unprecedented like 2 years/$150M.
Yankee Clipper
Or….. he’s a HUGE fan of Canadian Bacon on pizza….
whogg72
He voted Dem and decided to move to Canada – for real.
HalosHeavenJJ
who isn’t?
bestone
Fyi….you can’t buy “Canadian bacon” in Canada.
We tariffed that stuff out decades ago.
Phree4u
Just say “ham”
baseballbrains
1 year 15 mil
Naylor01
Try probably $15-16 million.
BuyBuyMets
Should take care of 61 innings.
Simm
I don’t think he will pitch that many innings in spring training.
DanielDannyDano
If all goes according to plan, 61 regular season innings, and 44 post season innings
Canuckleball
44 post season innings… After he gets traded at the deadline, I presume.
ron_karate
Ohh, he’ll make em edgy
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
He’s really becoming a journeyman. Good for him finding a team that would oay him 15.5mil at the the age of 40
cooperhill
One blue, one brown, creepy!
NickTheDev
Just pick one to look at 😉
WadeBoggsWildRide
How!?
Gwynning
Sounds exactly like my girlfriend, cooper… except she wears an eyepatch.
DanielDannyDano
Careful, she’s probably seeing someone on the side…
Gwynning
This guy gets it! Good one Dano lol
Ducey
Well, one side possibly
raisinsss
This is about 2x what I’d want him on the Mets for.
Take him.
joebourgeois
Mets are already DFAing arms
Phree4u
Aren’t the Mets still paying him?
raisinsss
No this comment/article is about Max Scherzer not Bobby Bonilla.
KamKid
I don’t think so, but the Nationals are.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@TrillionaireTeamOperator If the Jays had pursued Soto, signed Santander and Max, and not traded Vladdy, it’s not a retool.
baseballbrains
totally agree they can definitely compete this year after a down year from bichette and vlad in a contract year
Clofreesz
Hope he has one more great season before he retires.
Armaments216
So you’re already writing off 2025, and hoping he helps the Dodgers to a 3-peat in 2026?
Golfsucks
There has to be something brewing in TO.
I can’t see how he would sign a 1 year deal up there unless he knows that they are in on someone else.
This is a great move by Toronto!
ocladfan
Congrats jays your money don’t jiggle, jiggle, it folds
ImYourHuckleberry
Well, if he’s healthy…that’ll be the motto of this entire signing.
Tacoshells
Lol just had to one up Verlander with an extra 500,000
Rothbard
I wonder how much that rivalry led Max to leave the Tigers. Illitch was willing to pay anything to keep him.
Phree4u
Canadian tax upcharge
Motown is My Town
Over/under on # of inning he pitches… I’m setting it at 105…anyone else!
Rothbard
I’d set it at 65 innings.
jimmertee
If he gets to the Allstar break healthy, it will be a miracle.
bcjd
Ten starts, 60 innings, 4.80 ERA, on the IL by July.
Phree4u
Under
die defunctorum
De plane! De plane!
Deckard
Looking ahead to the trade deadline, which contender will go after him?
jdgoat
Now I’m not going to say they’re for sure making the playoffs, but this same Jays team made the playoffs two years ago despite being unable to hit. Last year they had an awful lot more go wrong than right. I wouldn’t write them off just yet, especially in a very weak AL.
Dustyslambchops23
Jays were randomly 16-3 vs the Red Sox that year.
While I agree with you, I don’t think it’s out of the question to compete but the Red Sox and Orioles are both improved, Yankees are a good team which look to be atleast more well rounded to handle the Soto loss, rays everyone will write off and then end up being a good team.
Lots could go right for the jays and we could see them put together a 90 win season, could also have a few injuries with no depth and finish in last.
ReyDay
Even with all these moves and a resurgent Bichette, I don’t see them improving +16 wins from last year. The ALE is too stacked and Jays haven’t done enough I see them more around 80-85 win team.
Dustyslambchops23
They sold at the deadline, so I don’t think their win total last year is the be all.
Bichette, Gausman and Kirk need to be at their best for the jays to stand a chance
ReyDay
Who did they move that would have been an impact? Im generally curious I don’t remember any big pitchers or hitters moved IIRC but I could be wrong ?
Dustyslambchops23
They traded like 8 roster players but probably most impactful was Kikuchi, Jansen and Garcia.
bcjd
None. He’s going to perform like a #5 starter, and he’ll spend most of the year on the IL. Ten starts, sixty innings, 4.80 ERA, on the IL by July.
10centBeerNight
Good for Jays. Hope he can stay mostly healthy
Acoss1331
That’s not bad considering the price tag. Hopefully he gives the Blue Jays at least 25 starts of Mad Max baseball!
TheBoatmen
Prerequisite to Alonso agreeing and Vlad resigning.
doss44
Mets resign Polar Bear confirmed. Thank you Toronto.
Best Screenname Ever
This is very good news for their franchise. It has to be discouraging for their fans to spend the offseason watching player after player turn their nose up at playing in Canada. I doubt they’ll get much more out of Max than the Rangers did last year, and they only got 40 innings or so of mediocre, but people in Canada won’t know that and what they’ll think is they’re getting a big name star. So it will be exciting for them at first, anyway.
I predicted they would get Bregman too, as he is clearly over the hill and no one else I thought would give him the big payday he’s seeking, but the reports say Houston is still offering him the same contract, so it looks like he won’t have to go to Toronto.
Santander and Scherzer aren’t going to move the needle for them, but it’s better than coming up completely empty I guess. Congrats!
YankeesBleacherCreature
This takes the top pretentious post of the day.
Ducey
“but people in Canada won’t know that”
We are not getting our news by dogsled or stagecoach up here.
Look! I have access to the internet and have all the same info as you!
Phree4u
You Canadians flood the USA this time of year, so that explains it.
Your relatives back in Maple country are waiting for their telegraph’s though.
pingston
Sort of thanks, I guess.
The Jays have added Hoffman, Garcia, Santander. Gimenez and Scherzer, have Manoah coming back from surgery mid-summer, Bo coming back after a winter to recover from 2024 injuries, and a bunch of the Buffalo Boys with more strength and experience (that’s the crossed fingers stuff).
It’s been a good off-season. Alonso would blow it out of the water, and given that Cohen massively over-spent on Soto and with no deferrals that team is $$ crippled in the next few years and taking a big hit in draft losses… from luxury penalties, there’s a good chance Alonso doesn’t end up with the Mets.
Be interesting to see today what will happen over next month. Alonso would be super-appreciated by Toronto fans.
Niekro floater
Most teams coulda used Scherzer. Not Cy Young #s anymore but he can pitch. Can he stay healthy ? Love his competitiveness, mad bulldog out there. Was hoping Bmore would sign em.
pete toms
I’m setting the over/under for IP at 89.2
WadeBoggsWildRide
56 innings for the Blue eye and 78 for the brown one.
bcjd
I predict ten starts, 60 innings, 4.80 ERA.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Good place for washed up Mad Max.
jdgoat
Just the guy I wanted to fill out the rotation. Now bring in Alonso (or Bregman although that one will be too long) and this offseason has been pretty good despite missing out on the elite players.
Dustyslambchops23
Alonso makes sense, also gives them a plan b for vladdys departure
Unsure what money they have left tho
jaysfansince1977
Hey chops, pretty sure they have money they are only what the 3rd or 4th richest owners in the game!!!
Dustyslambchops23
That’s not how corporations are run.
SHARKmapiro
I guess Shapiro and Atkins aren’t so bad after all. Jays looking better every week that goes by. Now, get the Vlad extension done and we’re laughing.
3768902
I knew the jays were connected to the dry husk of max scherzer. Kudos for getting this one across the finish line
DarrenDreifortsContract
What a waste.
Citizen1
Sherzer should do what every former Cy Young winner has done and become a closer
Sk8
Green/Garcia in the 7th, Hoffman in the 8th and Scherzer in the 9th would be pretty sick.
Salzilla
Two possibly risky signings with him and Hoffman. But if healthy it’s pretty good.
King Floch
Decent enough gamble for Toronto, I guess.
bcjd
I predict about 60 innings of 4.80 ERA. I look forward to seeing hat at Fenway. Welcome to the AL East, Max!
Treylum
Now go get Alonso! 2021 was the trailer. 2022 was a lacklustre movie. 2023 was a flop of a sequel. 2024 was a box office disaster.
2025 is the finale!
CTS4
Good going Max, You are the next typical shapiro stop gap signing…!! Stay healthy …
Sk8
This will end up exactly the same way when the Jays acquired Phil Niekro.
whyhayzee
Phil Niekro was 83 when they got him.
SkenesandSlopes
10 years late.
jimmertee
As someone previously mentioned, to go from Soto to Santander and Sasaki to a 40 yr old Scherzer….is not a good thing.
I applaud the Jays effort. If Scherzer makes the Allstar break healthy with 10-12 starts this signing is a win.
Look at what then Yankees did when they lost out on Soto compared to what the Jays did. Sorry Jays fans, as usual the BlueJays are not getting out of the American League to the playoffs promised land in 2025.
GB85
Thanks for the crystal ball – we might as well just give the division to the Yankees and the WS trophy to the Dodgers now and save everyone the trouble of playing any games, right?
Jaysfansince92
As usual? In recent seasons they’ve made the playoffs more often than they haven’t.
Dash 2
Brilliant career, but over 15 million for a guy whose best days are behind him?
Where else can you get paid like that when you can no longer get the job done?
Higgins
ask Verlander, Morton, or Cobb. or even better ask DeGrom and Strasburg
Jbigz12
Chuck takes the mound every 5 days. I have no confidence in the other 3 to do that with regularity.
nanokelvin
Get him quick before the tariffs!
sovietcanuckistanian
like this is a good move and all, but at the same time, I don’t feel this moves the needle as much as the front office would have you believe. that said, he’s done well and generally (obviously not always) wins (contributes to success) wherever he goes, so hopefully some of his intangibles/attitude can rub off on the team – for the better.
snowyphile1
Best to pass on Boras’ clients.
DugoutJester
He must have looked really good at that workout for that pay day…
HalosHeavenJJ
Hopefully he pitches when the visit Anaheim so I can take my son.
He’s not the same Max I saw with Detroit years ago, but one day when he’s getting inducted into Cooperstown I’ll be able to remind my son we saw him pitch with Toronto.
Non Roster Invitee
Who would you rather have? Scherzer or Verlander?
CGG12
I’d rather have Verlander, honestly.
GB85
Verlander is always at risk to have a motor-boating accident…
Sean P
lol.
christaylormvp
THE SYSTEM IS SO BROKEN!!!! THE ORIOLES NEVER HAD A CHANCE!!!!
Whyme
Lol O’s could have offered him that. Plus they have a deep farm to trade for someone younger and better
bullred
I have seen a couple of rankings where Baltimore is 20th (Law) and 24th (BR) overall. Are they still a strong farm?
Jbigz12
O’s obviously preferred Morton. Scherzer probably wasn’t a good fit with the wall moving in. He might be a backend starter at this point but I understand the temptation of thinking you might get some Scherzer magic.
We’ll see which old pitcher puts up the best numbers. Could be the last deal for Scherzer, Morton, & Verlander
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Cue the nay-sayers who will say he is no good or that this is an “overpay”.. The bottom line is that he is still one of the best pitchers in the game and the BlueJays rotation will be better for his inclusion.
After so many recent disappointments, I think the fans deserve something to get excited about. Good luck to them and Max.
Old York
Not sure how adding even more pitching is going to fix the Jays lack of offense.
larkraxm
Not sure either, but in theory a defensive run saved is a run earned. In, other words, if you can limit your opponents’ ability to score, then your offense will need to score less runs per game to win. In theory communism works!
Thurman8er
Is that 4 teams now that are paying Max?
coloredpaper
I mean, you kinda hope you catch lightning in a bottle and you can get a vintage season from him.
In any case, still think the offence needs more help. Santander alone isn’t gonna fix it (and yes, they signed Gimenez, I know.)
Andujar
He picked the right time to move out of the US.
Degaz
Dodgers didn’t want him…
BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?
Amazing signing. Especially with their starting depth and Manoah around the corner.
And based on his comps there was no over pay required to come to TO
He’s a great guy to root for as well.
Still need 2 mlb bats and a lefty in the pen.
TacomaMike23
Mariners suck
longines64
Funny, as great as he’s been, he’s got a lot of stops on his baseball card.
bullred
He would get in the HOF regardless but its probably a good idea to go to a few towns to pad your chances of getting in for the borderline players. HOF voting is a popularity contest after all.
Bluejaysjunkie
Resign Vladdy
Bo if you can get him
Bregman if it makes sense.
Avoid the polar bear
zuffahd
old and washed up, we need pete alonso sign him and i ll start to believe.
BurnerK
Why do I feel like there’s a Phillies trade here on the Horizon for a position player.
casualfan
I think it’s a great signing. HOF players have a lot of wiggle room. If you get 140IP out of him even at just reasonably decent for Scherzer standards; that’s a good starter. I love the can do attitude of this guy. He’s even more insanely competitive then your typical professional athlete; I think he’ll go ok and next year then someone will be foolish enough to offer him 2 years, THEN the wheels will fall off.
bullred
Yeah I wouldn’t want to bet against this guy, he is too competitive. He will find a way to get you out with his soft stuff.
vaderzim
I guess this is where he begins his Roger Clemens arc.