2:36pm: Per Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet, the deal is slightly frontloaded but with heavy deferrals. Per Ari Alexander of KPRC 2, more than $35MM is deferred, with the deferrals capable of going beyond $50MM depending on the opt-out/option result.
1:50pm: Beverly Hills Sports Council congratulated Santander on his deal, saying that it has an opt-out clause and “escalated option provision.” That could mean Santander’s salaries in 2028 and 2029 would be increased if he triggers the opt-out and the club picks up the option, thus getting him to $110MM over six years. The Jays still haven’t officially announced the deal.
11:23am: The Blue Jays finally have a big splash, plucking a slugger from a division rival. The Jays and outfielder Anthony Santander are reportedly in agreement on a five-year deal that guarantees him $92.5MM. The Beverly Hills Sports Council client can opt out after the third year, though the club will have the ability to override that by picking up a club option for 2030. There is a $13.5MM signing bonus and deferrals, which will impact the net present value, though the details on the deferrals haven’t been made public yet. The exact salary breakdown hasn’t been reported either, though the option is worth $15MM with a $5MM buyout. That will only add $10MM to the total if it’s picked up, though it’s apparently possible for Santander to earn $110MM over those six years, perhaps indicating there are some unknown bonuses or incentives. Santander has reportedly passed his physical already, though the Jays haven’t yet announced the deal. Their 40-man roster is full, so a corresponding move will be required to make it official.
Santander, 30, has established himself as one of the better power bats in the league in recent years. That included a huge 44-homer tally in 2024. That was his personal best but it was also his sixth straight season in double digits and third straight with at least 28 long balls.
Earlier in his career, he undercut that power production somewhat with more tepid results in terms of batting average and drawing walks, though he has been better at drawing free passes over the past three years. From 2019 to 2021, he hit 49 homers in 240 games but only had a 5.2% walk rate. That led to a .252/.295/.474 batting line and 100 wRC+, indicating his strengths and weaknesses evened out to league average production on the whole.
For the 2022 to 2024 seasons, Santander improved his walk rate by a few ticks, finishing between 8.4% and 8.7% in each of those. That’s roughly league average, with all MLB hitters walking at an 8.2% clip last year. He added those walks without sacrificing his power, putting the ball over the wall 105 times, which made for a productive combination. He had a combined line of .244/.317/.478 for those three campaigns, which translated to a 124 wRC+.
Apart from those home runs, Santander’s contributions have been fairly limited. As mentioned, the on-base abilities have been subpar overall, though fairly decent in the past three years. He’s not a burner on the basepaths, having only once stolen more than two bases in a season. His outfield defense has generally been graded as a bit below league average. He has a career tally of -3 Defensive Runs Saved in over 5,000 outfield innings, with Outs Above Average having him at -13.
Though he’s not the most well-rounded player, he’s a strong fit for the Blue Jays for multiple reasons. The club’s offense was actually around league average last year, though with far better on-base ability than power production. As a team, the Jays slashed .241/.313/.389 for a 101 wRC+, tied for 13th in the league. Their 8.4% walk rate was actually one of the better marks, tied for seventh among the 30 MLB clubs. But they only hit 156 home runs, with just the Marlins, Rays, Nationals and White Sox below them. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. was the only guy on the team to reach the 20-homer plateau.
On top of that, Santander is a switch-hitter, with the Jays having been more right-leaning in recent years. Guerrero, Bo Bichette, George Springer and Alejandro Kirk all project for regular roles next year and each is right-handed. Ernie Clement, Davis Schneider, Leo Jiménez and Orelvis Martínez are also righties who could earn spots on the team. The Jays do have a few lefties, with Daulton Varsho, Andrés Giménez, Will Wagner and Joey Loperfido among them, though there are question marks there. Varsho and Giménez have been more glove-first players while Wagner and Loperfido are still lacking in big league experience. Santander’s splits have been fairly close to neutral in his career. He has hit .252/.320/.467 for a 116 wRC+ against lefties, .243/.302/.470 for a 111 wRC+ against righties.
The defensive hit from rostering Santander is also perhaps not a huge deal for Toronto. The Jays, as a team, led the league with 102 DRS last year. Their 26 OAA tally was fourth in the league. Sacrificing a bit of defensive value for the big power bat they need is a sensible tradeoff for them. They also don’t have a regular designated hitter and can perhaps keep Santander in that slot with some regularity. Justin Turner took most of the club’s DH plate appearances in 2024 before being traded to the Mariners at the deadline.
Beyond the on-field fit, the Jays have clearly been looking for a big offseason W for quite some time. The past year-plus has seen them make strong pursuits of marquee players, such as Shohei Ohtani, Juan Soto, Roki Sasaki, Max Fried and Corbin Burnes, but with the Jays coming up just short in all of those.
After missing on Ohtani last winter, the Jays pivoted to modest moves, re-signing Kevin Kiermaier as well as adding Turner, Isiah Kiner-Falefa and Yariel Rodríguez. No one in that group got a guarantee larger than $32MM. The 2024 season then went on to be a massive disappointment, with the Jays engineering a midseason selloff and finishing at 74-88. They seemed to come into this winter looking to mollify a disgruntled fan base but the near misses on Soto, Sasaki, Fried and Burnes only appeared to make things worse. Whether Santander is a true star is subjective, though this signing will be Toronto’s biggest since they signed Kevin Gausman three years ago.
One silver lining of the 2024 season falling apart for the Jays was that their midseason selling dipped them below the competitive balance tax, which lowered their penalties for signing a player who rejected a qualifying offer. That is the case here, as the Orioles extended a QO to Santander, which he naturally rejected. Had the Jays paid the tax in 2024, they would have forfeited $1MM of international bonus pool space by signing Santander, in addition to surrendering their second- and fifth-best picks in the draft. By ducking under the tax, the penalty is just $500K of pool space and only their second-best pick. The Jays added $2MM of pool space last week as they tried to get Sasaki, which didn’t work out, so they’re not hurting in that department. Since Santander is guaranteed more than $50MM on this deal, the O’s will receive a compensation pick after the first round of this summer’s draft.
Coming into the offseason, MLBTR predicted that Santander could secure a four-year, $80MM pact. He seemed to have plenty of interest, with the Jays connected to him early on. Clubs like the Red Sox, Tigers, Yankees and Angels were also rumored to be interested at various times. Santander and his reps reportedly tried to parlay that interest into a five-year deal and/or a $100MM guarantee in December, per Jon Heyman of The New York Post. But he lingered unsigned into the new year and reportedly had some openness to considering a shorter pact.
In the end, he has gotten his five years, though at a lesser average annual value than he was seeking. The net present value can’t be known without details on the deferrals, but the sticker price of $92.5MM over five years leads to an $18.5MM AAV. The opt-out gives him a chance at some more future earnings, though the Jays could pick up the option and effectively make it $110MM over six years, which would be an $18.33 AAV. The deferrals could lower these numbers, though the notable signing bonus will counterbalance that to some degree.
Without clarity on the deferrals, calculating the exact CBT hit for the Jays can’t be done, but some ballparking can give us some guidance for how this affects their balance sheet. RosterResource now projects the club for a $237MM payroll and $263MM CBT calculation for this year. The club opened with a payroll of $225MM last year, per Cot’s Baseball Contracts, so they’re already beyond that. President Mark Shapiro previously suggested that he didn’t expect the club’s spending to drastically change compared to last year, perhaps suggesting there’s not much room left in the budget now. Though Scott Mitchell of TSN suggests that signing Pete Alonso is still a possibility for the Jays even after getting Santander, seemingly indicating otherwise. The club also reportedly has some interest in starting pitching upgrades and has been working to bolster the bullpen all winter. The CBT number is already beyond this year’s $261MM second tier, though the club will be a “first-time” payor on account of ducking under last year.
Perhaps the Jays will make some more additions, such as bringing in Alonso. Such a move would force him and Guerrero to share first base and the DH slot, thus pushing Santander into being an everyday outfielder. If that comes to pass, he would surely be in one corner with Springer in the other. Varsho will be the club’s regular center fielder once he’s healthy. Guys like Loperfido, Nathan Lukes, Myles Straw, Jonatan Clase and Alan Roden will either be options for depth roles or bench jobs. If Santander is able to serve as the DH more regularly, that could perhaps open more outfield playing time for those others.
For the clubs that missed on Santander, the outfield market is fairly thinned out. In addition to Santander, guys like Soto, Santander Teoscar Hernández, Michael Conforto and Tyler O’Neill have come off the board. Jurickson Profar now stands alone as the top unsigned option, so perhaps his market will now pick up. Guys like Randal Grichuk, Harrison Bader, Mark Canha and others are also available.
Jon Morosi of MLB Network first reported that Santander and the Jays were in agreement, pending a physical. Ben Nicholson Smith and Shi Davidi of Sportsnet later reported that the physical was complete. Ari Alexander of KPRC 2 first reported the five-year length, the opt-out/club option override, the signing bonus, the $92.5MM guarantee and the possibility to get to $110MM. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic first reported that the opt-out is after 2027.
cybertron
Jays got someone!
christaylormvp
Respect the hustle and not giving up trying to improve the squad. Could be the Cardinals.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I respect that the jays tried but this signing will not fix the team
Whats probably going to happen is the jays are well under .500 and they trade Santander at the trade deadline kind of like Jorge soler this year
Retroelectrik
Too premature. Let’s wait until we see what the rest of the signings look like for the rest off the off season before we break out the crystal balls. Too early for that….
gomer33
It’s getting late early.
paddyo furnichuh
I think it’s good to never break out the crystal “balls.”
178iq
That’s a great bat to have next to Vlady. Watch. valdy’s numbers are going to strengthen. NYY has no protections for AJ in the line up at all. All .199 bats 1-9. AJ’s numbers will struggle.
coloredpaper
I don’t have any confidence that Atkins will do anymore than this.
YourDreamGM
All it takes is paying the most $. Going 5 years. Giving opt outs. Giving draft pick. They got someone alright.
ruthlesslyabsurd
I mean, that’s not true. People often don’t want to play in certain cities/ballparks/etc
Dock_Elvis
Right, ruthless? But ya know…that’s our dream gm.
YourDreamGM
Players go where they can make the most $. If you want them to go to another country with awful taxes and a mediocre team you gotta pay them. If the $ is the same they ain’t going to Toronto. If it’s a little more they ain’t going to Toronto.
Thanks to better available options and the QO Santander and Pete are perfect fits for Toronto. They got Santander for a reasonable price. Should be able to get Pete if they want to.
dasit
atkins grasping for a life preserver
paddyo furnichuh
Athletes “often” go to the team offering the most money. It was not difficult to type.
Pete'sView
They’re not going after Pete, fer god’s sake. That would mean putting Vlad on third. That aint happening.
YourDreamGM
Pete going to take significantly less $ just so he can play 1b? I don’t think so. He will dh in Toronto.
YourDreamGM
Players always go where they make the most $. Living in a place you enjoy or near family has value. They aren’t taking less $. They just value living in one city more than another that’s more than the pile of cash.
Jays_Jen
Right, @paddyo…see Corbin Burnes.
YourDreamGM
Corbin didn’t take less $. His family lives there. Dbacks not only play there but have spring training there. Arizona has superior taxes. Arizona gave very player friendly opt outs.
Other teams may have offered a larger dollar number but not more $.
chiefnocahoma1
For Pete’s sake?
coloredpaper
I hope they do make another move. I actually was hoping they wouldn’t panic and sign Santander. Sure, the AAV is nice, but 5 years is too long for a guy who had a career year during a contract year. I was hoping that Alonso was their move over Santander, but I def don’t have any hope in this regime anymore.
coloredpaper
Putting Vlad at 3rd isn’t going to be too bad with all the defensive signings this team has been doing the last couple of years. I think signing Alonso would allow them to rotate Vlad and Alonso at 1B and DH, and Vlad at 3rd occasionally.
Degaz
Dodgers didn’t want him I guess…
PhilliesFan91
Dodgers are saving for Kyle Tucker
dasit
yankees are getting tucker (manifesting)
Dodger Dog
I’m pretty sure he goes to Philadelphia
dasit
i think you mean “my team may consider letting him go to philadelphia but only if they’re feeling generous” 😉
PhilliesFan91
I hope philly gets Tucker or Vlad Jr
LordD99
I think Mets get Vlad and the Yankees get Tucker. They won’t defer payments.
die defunctorum
And Vladdy Jr. This is the final guaranteed year on Muncy’s contract. Don’t pick up the option for 2026, sign Vlad to play 3B. Freeman’s contract ends in 2027 when he’ll be 37 years old. Vlad slides over to 1B at that point. Pick up a new 3B at that point.
dasit
are vlad and soto friends? i remember a couple of funny on-field exchanges that made me think they were buddies
YourDreamGM
He’s going wherever he can make the most $. Next geographical preference. Next odds of winning. What team his friends are on isn’t at the top of the list and won’t factor in.
steelehere83
Shocking since Santander’s contract is partially deferred.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Jays
The Jay’s are like the guy that goes to the strip club at 2pm when the C squad is working and he’s just so happy to find that 1 slightly good looking stripper working because they have a pocket full on 1’s burning a hole in their pocket. Just kidding Torontonians. Love you guys.
5/$125?
meckert
Speaking from experience?
Joe says...
It did sound oddly specific. lol
KnicksFanCavsFan
@meckert @joe
I had a lunch meeting with a radio programmer in Toledo, OH. He said they had great chicken wings there, and it was his favorite spot. Can’t say no. Aside from the c- section scars, she was OK. Had all her teeth, too. Some pointed in different directions, but hey, like I said, 2pm.
blues1967
Hilarious.
dasit
asking for a friend…
KnicksFanCavsFan
@dasit
are you from Toledo by any chance? a serious question.
sascoach2003
Honestly, we’ve probably all been there! LOL
Cohn Joppolella
There right now.
WadeBoggsWildRide
I mean I never turn down a free meal.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Wade
I have heard you’re very fond of chicken. And tig ole bitties
dasit
nope raised in new york now in dodgerland
WadeBoggsWildRide
And about 100 beers!
GOBLUE37
Uhhhhh… Lol
MLB Top 100 Commenter
What team was the “runner-up”, as if there is some sort of thing?
Redwolves3
Shapiro & Atkins finally signed someone
cwsOverhaul
Boras got him a substantial guarantee that probably no one else would come even close.
*Next on his checklist see if OF needy team will pay more than expected for his client Profar off this result albeit couple years older.
worthington
Good for another out of the money finish.
towinagain
As a Padres fan innthe Blue Jays court.Great signing! Pulling for you guys!
explodet
Rumors have it 17 others teams had deals lined up but backed out because his medicals revealed extensive quadriplegia and typhus.
Pete'sView
Glad for Jays fans.
BadMojo
Big win for a small market team!
chiefnocahoma1
You misspelled Dodgers…
murphy8
Aw man, I was hoping they just wouldn’t get anyone it would be funny
scissormetimbers
As a Jay’s fan so was I.
deweybelongsinthehall
Kind of deal without even knowing the terms that can end up being either a steal or one that is regretted. I initially loved him as an O’Neil replacement in Boston after his 40 bombs season. Being a switch hitter I thought would more than offset his defensive liabilities. The more I reviewed his stats, I realized he’s not really a true switch hitter and I’m tired of the HR, BB or SO player. That said, hopefully he does his damage against the Yanks and O’s.
KamKid
I don’t see Santander as a 3 true outcome player. He doesn’t walk a lot or strike out a lot. He hits a whole bunch of fly balls and that means lots of HRs and lots of routine outs. Low BABIP but the ball is in play a lot.
Jays_Jen
@dewey – the article states, splits-wise:
“Santander’s splits have been fairly close to neutral in his career. He has hit .252/.320/.467 for a 116 wRC+ against lefties, .243/.302/.470 for a 111 wRC+ against righties.”
I was initially hoping for O’Neill on the Jays, but with his injury history, I think we Jays’ fans (at least this Jays’ fan!) would much rather have Santander. He was always a Jays’ killer! Will be really nice to have him not perpetually crush us in ALE play!
deweybelongsinthehall
Thanks Jay, I guess I was relying on last year when he had his career best.
Clofreesz
Jeff Hoffman?
Rexhudler86
@clofreesz. Gimenez.
mlbnyyfan
They finally get someone. Good news for the couple of Toronto fans.
Baseball’s Topics on Baseball Today
Toronto has like a top 5 fanbase size. Am I misunderstanding this?
mlb fan
“Am I misunderstanding”..That guy has apparently never watched the Bluejays. The Blue Jays have a whole country of Canadian fans and many also in America.
YourDreamGM
A few seconds you can easily look up their attendance and since you have absolutely zero knowledge on the subject see how it ranks vs other teams.
GB85
Jays have a huge market and fanbase, but thanks for the ignorant comment.
ChangedName
Comments like this really affirm my viewpoint that the MLBTR comments section is just a group of 60 year olds with really outdated opinions and thoughts on the game. Pretty amazing that people still believe this about a nearly 50 year old franchise in a huge city.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Change
Or he was making a throw-away comment and didn’t truly care whether it had any validity but wanted to get a rise out of you maple chuggers. Lay off the sticky guys.
ChangedName
“Lay off the sticky”, “maple chuggers”, is every commenter on this site Red Forman?
DerekBellsMoistMoustache
At your advanced age you should really watch your blood pressure 🙁
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Change
“The Sticky” was a reference to a Netflix series about male syrup bootleggers. Yes….outlaw maple syrup runners.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Derek
I try to… but the sticky!!! the sticky keeps me coming back.
dasit
laughed out loud
fantastic
roob
It’s not 60 year olds with the ignorant comments on here. It’s the 12 year olds.
DerekBellsMoistMoustache
Why, there are no children here at the 4-H Club either. Am I so out of touch? No. It’s the children who are wrong.
dasit
okay, boomer 😉
smuzqwpdmx
60 year olds remember the Jays as selling out every game and leading the league in attendance and fielding a good team every year.
Dock_Elvis
Don’t be jealous a couple people like them and you’re lonely
big boi
Well well well
C Yards Jeff
Say it ain’t so Tony, say it ain’t so.
SomTeaver
This should mean no Alonso for Toronto.
Stingray16
Alonso to the REDS!!…sigh, I can only dream…
Ezpkns34
@ Stingray
I assume most NL Central fans woud love seeing the Reds commit a sizable chunk of their payroll to a 1B with stats trending down
KamKid
Santander to the Reds would have been the best fit.
Larry Brown's crank
No….Luis Robert would be the best fit for Reds at a fraction of years/ price.
MikeBSoxFan
As a White Sox fan the past 60 years, I wouldn’t be upset seeing “El Pantera” start fresh somewhere else. He’s had 1-good season and been hurt every other season.
YourDreamGM
Would be nightmare. Draft pick could cost them a high upside hs player. Unless he takes less than Mets offer it would be awful.
The smart team in Ohio traded 2 1b, picked up 4 pitching prospects and a draft pick and signed Santana. That’s how you do it. Instead of keeping awful salary they dumped it on Toronto.
KamKid
Sure, but the Reds get competitive balance picks anyway. They can move money around the draft still.
I was more thinking about the entertainment value of Santander who hits so many fly balls playing 81 games in that park.
Sunday Lasagna
Alonso would be a great veteran presence in the Cincy lineup. Not a Reds fan and don’t think they would go after Alonso but seeing Elly, McLain and Steer hit in front of Alonso would be fun.
cwsOverhaul
@lasagna: The main veteran presence is Francona getting the most collectively out of his players. They’ll get Robert or some OF.
MoneyBallJustWorks
I mean it might, but 5 years seems like it could mean they are spreading out the $$$ a bit to try and bring in something else as I don’t think anyone expected 5 years for AS
Unclemike1526
Hey they got somebody. Atta Boys! 2nd no Mas!
jamesryu14
One-year deal or a multi-year deal with an opt-out.
The source: Probably
PTkirk
Can someone explain why the Jays are so desperate to sign a bunch of guys. There roster as currently constructed is kinda terrible? One guy with an OPS above 800 last year lol. They’re like 5 moves away from being good.
RunDMC
Atkins’ Last Stand? Trying to prove to Vlad Jr/Bichette they can be competitive before inevitably walking with nothing but memories and comp picks.
YourDreamGM
Jays have a big remodeled building to fill. Ohtani would have filled it. Soto would fill a nice chunk. No one cares about Santander though. But getting a few guys. Being in on everyone. Will keep more ticket buyers than doing nothing. Rebuild would lose fans. Extending Vlad would definitely keep most ticket buyers.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Your
I think having guys like Santander, while he may not move the needle on his ownsome, could help future FA in that the cupboard won’t look so bare. These guys talk to each other. Maybe sometime down the road, he can recruit a former Orioles FA to sign with the Jay’s.
YourDreamGM
@KnicksFanCavsFan They go wherever they can make the most $. But sure if your odds of winning are better it might just takes millions instead of tens of millions.
Toronto biggest problem is taxes. They have to pay more to begin with. Next is endorsements. Sure they got a huge country but not huge population. For those who don’t know it’s similar to California. NY LA have the endorsement $ and odds on favorites to win. They spend every year. Contend every year.
Unless Toronto pays significantly more they won’t get free agents.
But anyone NY LA PHI ATL BOS CHI HOU etc doesn’t want is a bargain for TOR. No one else wanted Santander so good for them. They got him for a solid price.
stymeedone
A dream GM should know that taxes in Toronto are a push with taxes in CA. If its not stopping players from signing with LA, SF, or SD, then it shouldn’t be a deterrent for TOR.
RunDMC
@YourDream GM – Isn’t the problem though they’re not extending any of their young crop? They’ve signed free agents (Springer, Gausman, Bassitt). ATL would gladly take Santander as COF (def limitations notwithstanding), but they wouldn’t come close to a 5-year deal AND an opt-out. So maybe TOR did have to overpay in that respect.
Murphy NFLD
So ive looked into alot of this. In Canada you are taxed 50%-54% on $1M+ incomes and places like California are essitally the same. The no state tax states ypu are taxed about 37%. Canada populution is equal to cali and NY state combined. Canada also as some type of tax provision where you can set aside a certin % of your income that is taxed less as they realize no athletes would come otherwise. This % that is put aside and taxed less is what Bautista, Martin and Donaldson where recently in court for with the Canadian government which the players won. So all in all the taxes are just ahead of cali, the weather sucks but the people are more friendly. You hqve a huge market and away games in seattle, ohio and Florida are more like home games. There are sponsership oppurtunitys for sure but the stayes has better 1s
orbitsbrother
With how the Dodgers see just giving the middle finger to the league right now. The Jays should tear it all down and rebuild. Be good with all the Dodgers can’t afford to pay league minimum.
Yankee Clipper
Dodgers may be eating up the league for this offseason but they HAVE to win. They’re currently projected at $79MM over the highest threshold if they make no further moves, and remember, no matter how badly they want someone, or how badly the player wants them, they only have 26 roster spots for ML roster construction.
That means, they simply cannot operate this way in the future unless they simply dump players and eat the money.
So, another way of looking at this is that the Dodgers are doing the league a favor. They will have to dump key names and eat salary to open up spots (or just DFA them) which will get these names to other teams for far lesser pay; or, they will sit out of future offseasons (not completely, of course) while other teams scoop up talent.
Add to that the millions upon millions going to the revenue sharing teams from the Dodgers alone (in LAD’s case, about $35MM total, iirc), and the teams are already benefitting financially from the Dodger’s spending.
And remember, they MUST win. Otherwise, they’re the joke of the league (much like my Yankees were before last season).
redsorbust
Your logic is sound but the likelihood that the Dodgers don’t make it to the WS is quite small I would think. On a side now with all the premium pitching they have I would not let Othani pitch unless it is somewhere in his contract that says he needs to. Why risk blowing out his arm?
He is way to valuable as a hitter IMO.
YourDreamGM
Dodgers will be fine. I would guess the luxury tax only goes up. More likely than a cap. Owners players all making so don’t fix what ain’t broken. And it’s not like they signed Boegarts Bryant Baez Rendon. All these contracts are impact players. They won’t be mvps but all stars or close enough. Freeman can be Goldschmidt. Mookie Cutch but maybe still being able to play field. Ohtani will be able to hit above average right? And by 2030 2035 imagine what contracts will look like. These will be ok enough contracts. And the deferred $ isn’t a issue. Other teams have spent more or close to same as Dodgers and they don’t have Dodgers attendance or tv deal. Eventually the Dodgers will also get some home grown aka minimum wage talent.
If you are waiting on the downfall of the Dodgers you will have a long wait.
YankeesBleacherCreature
As great a team as the Dodgers have, the odds will always be stacked against them making it again to the WS. It’s the nature of short playoffs series when you could be facing a hot and lucky team. Ohtani should absolutely pitch. It’s what they paid him for.
YourDreamGM
They have the best odds this year. Probably next and next. At worst 2nd 3rd 4th best odds. If they don’t make a ws in next 5 years it will be considered a disappoinment. But yeah they shouldn’t make it every year. Even 100m Pirates Reds or someone could knock them out 1 year.
Jays_Jen
@YankeesBC – and health…they can never seem to stay healthy.
unpaidobserver
They have to get through a short series. The White Sox can win three games in a row on occasion.
DeusSexMachina
“And remember, they MUST win. Otherwise, they’re the joke of the league”
The things people say to cope lol.
Yankee Clipper
Do you disagree? It’s not coping, it’s true. You guys will be unrelentingly battered if you lose. Much like the Mets were when they tried to buy a championship. And much like the YanKees were for many years, particularly when they failed to make the playoffs two seasons ago.
Pride before the fall….
RGR
Yes the Dodgers r great, but….as a direct result of their current off-season, the calls r already raining down like a noreaster on all of baseball for a salary cap to be force fed to the union in the next CBA which comes up in just 2 years so its likely the Dodgers r biting their own ass atm bc the 2027 season is unlikely to take place due to an owners lockout!!!
TheBoatmen
Kind of following the path of the Mets. Buy some players while you rebuild the farm.
Joemo
The Jays are trying to sign players to fix the roster, I think that’s obvious.
Should they just trade everyone away and tank? What else should they be doing?
MoneyBallJustWorks
yes they should.
Best Screenname Ever
You’re bang on. A last place team acting like they need a nudge over the edge of the table to win. Sad to watch really.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@PT
It says a lot about how the expectations of hands had changed when you admit the team sticks them question why they would attempt to sign “good” (admittedly a relative term vs the contract given) players. To improve hopefully?
KnicksFanCavsFan
hands=fans
sticks=sucks
stymeedone
The same reason any team adds to the roster, to get better. Sure, it will take more than one move, but if you never make the first move, you will never complete the upgrade.
burn0820
Guess Alonso won’t be going there either. Really only one team that is willing to sign him. Cmon Steve get it done
Rexhudler86
@burn0820. Alonso might not have anywhere to go unless it’s a one year deal.
meckert
It’s time for Alonso and Boras to face the facts about how teams value him.
Ma4170
It’s his pride. I think there are teams who would give him 3/70ish, and I think they’d get really good production. But no, he’s not getting the 6/150+ he wanted and he needs to deal with it.
ReyDay
Alonso is dumb he should have taken the 3 year deal. Walker got a 3 year 60MM at 34, if Pete matched that 3 years down the line it would have been right around the Mets previous offer of 6 year 138MM he turned down.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Ray
the fact that this feel into the winter, he torn down a 3 yeast deal from the Mets, which makes me think they have at least a 4-year deal from someone. maybe even Toronto? Remember how the Dbacks came out of nowhere to sign Burns?
ReyDay
Burns came to D Backs tho I can’t see any team really needing Alonso that bad to offer a 4 year deal, especially when we know the team with biggest 1b need (Mets) only offered 3 at 70MM. I could see Blue Jays or RSox making n offer but I can’t see it being better then Mets with the exception of giving him opt outs.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Rey
Even better. Jay’s have money and need. Offer Alonzo 4/$85. It’s clear that the Jay’s need to overpay for good talent.
ReyDay
For that price he’s better off going to the Mets w/ 3 years 70MM. If they offer 4 years it’s prob gotta be around 100MM if there’s no opt outs.
Jays_Jen
Alonso wouldn’t be a great fit for the Jays unless he and Vladdy switched off 1B and DH (or Vlad to 3rd!). Vlad rarely sits, so it would be a strange acquisition. Or Alonso DH only? Money can be better spent, methinks. If someone will take it! I think the Jays make a few (better) trades before the offseason ends…I keep thinking they will try to get Montgomery to get a lefty. Could bounce back, who knows?
YourDreamGM
This doesn’t prevent Pete. Santander can play outfield. He isn’t a dh yet. And if they can’t sign Vlad Pete will be their 1b.
A player with nowhere else to go is a perfect fit for Toronto.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@burn
The Jay’s have 3 OF with an OPS of .700 and under. Last year’s DH, Justin Turner, I think, is an unsigned FA. Why would this Santander signing prevent them from signing Alonzo? He could be the full-time DH, or they could move Vlad back to 3rd. I wouldn’t suggest it, but I’ve read that Vlad wants to return to playing 3rd base.
stymeedone
Alonso isn’t going to rebuild his value by being a dh.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Stym
If he’s offered a 5 year deal, there is no rebuilding his value. He’s a one trick pony. He hits homers. By last year’s standards, 34 hrs was a great year. For him to forgo a 5/$100 deal at age 30 would be foolish to do so with the intent of taking a 1 year deal to try and surpass 34 homers. Even if he did that and slugged 45 homers, what would he get the next year? More than Santander just teched from them after he hit 44 at the same age? This next multi year deal will likely be his last multi year deal.
stymeedone
@KnicksfanCavsfan
I’m making the call that Alonso won’t be signing that next multi year deal this off season. Toronto still has hope of keeping Vlad long term, so I don’t think they would look at Alonso except on a one year. But yes, if someone offers him that long term deal, he won’t need to rebuild his value. I would expect that mystery team to plan on him playing 1B, and not being a full time dh, unlike his fit in TOR.
YourDreamGM
DH is irrelevant. You already know what he can do at 1b. Playing another year at 1b isn’t going to increase his value. Nothing will increase his value other than hitting the ball harder.
stymeedone
DH is not irrelevant. Playing at 1B won’t increase his value, but becoming a DH only will decrease it. Just ask JDM. As to hitting the ball harder, that is irrelevant. Hitting more HRs will matter. Improving his average will matter. Hitting the ball harder doesn’t guarantee better performance. It just guarantees that his outs will be hit harder.
JRamHOF
BANG
johncoltrane
santander has rough #s in toronto. career .194 avg, .275 obp
blujays must have paid alot of maple syrup to get him
longsuffering
You know that has more to do with the pitching he faced there, and not as much to do with the stadium, right?
MoneyBallJustWorks
yes and no. if he struggles to pick up the ball with the batters eye, it’s a big problem.
Lou Sassoll
They did it! Congrats Blue Jays!!
Digdugler
5 years is INSANE!
GB85
I agree, unfortunately, Atkins is desperate and everyone knows it.
YourDreamGM
I’d give him 6. Years don’t matter. You’re only buying the productive years. If the player lets you stretch it out awesome. Maybe he ages well and it’s a steal. They only paid in my evaluation for 4 years. 5th year is free if he doesn’t opt out.
BITA
No it’s not
TheBoatmen
Not if the annual salary is lower. 5/85 wouldn’t be too bad.
BITA
He’s a 2.5 to 3 win player coming off a good year. 20 per for 5 years sounds about right to me. And I think the Jays might have to pay a little more to cover the extra taxes.
Digdugler
Coming off HIS BEST YEAR, you are assuming his best year will be the next 5 years as well. The odds are astronomically low for that to happen.
BITA
I didn’t assume that at all. The 2.5 to 3 wins is an average over his career i was just pointing out that he is coming off a good year. Because he is. If he was coming off a poor year people would say he’s in decline clearly he’s not.
MoneyBallJustWorks
if he is getting 5*20 Atkins has completely lost his mind.
I agree with boatmen, 5/85 maybe. the fact there is an opt out after year 4 likely indicates the $$$$ value is lower since I cant imagine he’s getting more than $20m per in 4 years
bhd360
I probably am going to hate the $ and years it took to get him, but screw it! We got someone!
For Love of the Game
I doubt you’ll hate the $. I think the Santander line was pretty short, and this sounds like pretty team-friendly deal to me (not knowing the $$ yet).
YourDreamGM
Nothing to hate. They got him for fair price.
BITA
About time I got a pick right it had been a while. Santander is a really good fit for the Jays.
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
That’s a funny way to spell Dodgers
letitbelowenstein
Dodgers to free agents: Don’t sign with anyone unless we tell you we aren’t interested.
JaysSinceBirth
Beauty!
orange2001
I was hoping the Angels signed him – they need another big bat in their lineup.
YourDreamGM
Pete
orange2001
That’s my fear.
kellin
@orange I dont want Pete, either.
YourDreamGM
Salary wise he will be fair. Losing draft pick is the major blow. But a team that drafts for mlb ready over ceiling it won’t hurt as much.
bestone
Who cares?….
Fire Atkins
Low IQ Angels Management
And the Halos take another L. They now have a 1-23 record to start the off-season. Looking forward to 2032.
BITA
The Angels should be rebuilding not signing big free agents.
Low IQ Angels Management
That would require having competent talent evaluators, scouts, developmental personnel, minor league instructors, management, coaches
and ownership. All of which they have been without for about a decade now.
BITA
They could be spending that Jorge Soler money to make that happen.
Low IQ Angels Management
Trading for Soler is a perfect example. They need to collect as many DH’s that hit 25 HRs and strikeout 200 times. That’s a winning strategy!!!
YourDreamGM
Angels are toast. Been toast for a long time. They got payroll but make too many stupid decisions in every aspect.
Positive view they are operating now better than they have in a long time. They spend enough $ they can hang around 500 make some playoffs possibly.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Congrats Jays fans!
YankeesBleacherCreature
5/115?
NoSaint
@YankeesBleacherCreature
A guess or the actual numbers?
YankeesBleacherCreature
It was just a guess for guaranteed dollars.
Miken31
Hopefully this doesn’t make Alonso think a five year deal is coming for him.
Digdugler
Would you rather 3 years of Teoscar or 5 years of Santander? Asking for a friend. Very unlikely Teoscar doesnt take a 4 year deal from Toronto if offered.
longsuffering
5 of Teo if I’m being honest.
NoSaint
@Digdugler
Teo took less money to play in with the Dodgers.
Yankee Clipper
I think it’s a reasonable question, but it’s really based on the context of what they need. Santander is great if they had a relatively balanced lineup and were solid on defense. He’s kind of like the power version of Luis Arraez to me. Power from both sides, but nothing else.
I think Toronto as it is currently constructed would’ve benefited more from Teoscar, honestly. I just don’t think he wanted to go anywhere but the Dodgers unless he was significantly overpaid.
KamKid
I think that probably depends on how you feel about the roster. I think Teo is the better player right now but is older and maybe more of a win now player. Santander still has a few years of prime if the Jays can regroup quickly enough.
Kris-78
For the Jays? Santander. For any other team it is Teoscar. I think Teoscar is a better player but the Jays need a LHB. The lineup is RHB heavy and as a switch Santander fills that role. I haven’t checked Teoscar splits in awhile but with the Jays he had a heavy platoon split with him crushing LHP.
BurnerK
Congrats to him I’m glad he got signed before Bregman lol.
stretcharmstrong1
Glad Arte let the Angels dodge that bullet. We will probably trade for him in a few years once he totally bottoms out a la Vernon Wells.
Mynameisnoname
Santander looks to receive full market value after settling for shorter term contracts had been considered an increasing possibility.
This should help solidify, checks notes, a 4th place finish in the AL East for Toronto. I see them trying to move AS like the Cubs forced Belli out soon after.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
If TOR signs 1 more SP (like a #4 or 5) for 1 or 2 years and another complementary player for their offense a WC isn’t beyond reach imo.
Dustyslambchops23
They still need another bat, a starting pitcher and a bullpen arm or two.
Not insurmountable but not much money left
Best Screenname Ever
Worst thing they could do right now is a desperation over-sign, and I’ll bet that’s exactly what they’ve done. Giving up draft picks and entering into unmovable contracts. A boomerang signing after pretending they were contenders for Sasaki.
This career mediocrity had a barely playable OBP in his age 29 season, and I’ll bet they’ve committed to him for at least 4 years.
Edit Worse than I thought. Just read on X that it’s a 5 years deal between 120-140 mil. I felt sorry for Toronto before, but it’s hard to continue feeling sorry for a team so stupid. as this. A guy who doesn’t move the needle for a last place team.
TheBoatmen
5 years at 90+ is what is being reported.
terrymesmer
Dude, you need better sources,
>pretending they were contenders for Sasaki.
Pretending?
>Just read on X that it’s a 5 years deal between 120-140 mil
Come on.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Best
Why? Who is he blocking? They have 3 OF with an OPS of .700 or less? They have cash to spend. They draft 7 this is not an encumberance to any other move.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Well, I am happy Santander landed on his feet!!!
jerseystrongsports
Good move, and I say this a Yankees
The_Porcupine
I realize toronto is going to have to overpay to get players, but 5 years is too long. Id rather them overpay vlad as he can at least anchor the lineup. The lineup will be brutal next year if he leaves.
terrymesmer
If Vlad leaves, Santander very likely gets dealt.
YourDreamGM
They only paid for 4 years got 5th year free.
Wire to wire 2024
Now profar to the reds…
This one belongs to the Reds
If it is only one year, I am on board. More than that…I wouldn’t.
Wire to wire 2024
I doubt he’d sign a one year after the season he had, he seemed like an all around good hitter i don’t think he’ll regress that much.
just_thinkin
Feel bad for Tony, man.
Therealeman
I’m not a Jays fan, but if I was I’d like the signing because it signals that no matter what happens with Guerrero and Bichette, the organization hopes to stay competitive over the next five years.
smuzqwpdmx
We all know the organization hopes to stay competitive (or really after last year the task is get back to being competitive), but unfortunately they lack any sort of coherent plan to achieve that besides spending lots of money inefficiently and hoping to get super lucky.
The current management came in with a nice plan to build a sustainable long term competitive team via player development… then they completely failed at that and keep trying to paper it over with free agents and trades that take on money. Which is fine if it works, but it doesn’t for long.
jaysfansince1977
One of the players i was hoping for, now the Jays need to go full bore for Bregman and another BP piece!!!
NattyBroh
Good for Santander, bad for Toronto. We’ll see how this looks two years from now.
BigRedMachine
Five years is an overpay but as a Mariners fan I am jealous and respect a Blue Jays ownership that is trying to make their franchise the best it can possibly be. Good luck Jays.
YourDreamGM
Not overpay. Years irrelevant. $ all that matters.
BigRedMachine
Says who? You? You righteous tool.
YourDreamGM
Most will take my track record over yours.
diehardtoronto
Phew. Was wondering who is going to backup Myles Straw.
BITA
People should really wait to hear the details before judging this deal.
ChangedName
I know he’s technically a switch hitter but with such a large percentage of his production coming from the left side of the plate, he’s the best left handed hitter the Jays have had in many, many, many years.
I like this signing for both sides.
People complain when teams don’t try and then criticize them when they do try so Jays are damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
I Want to Believe
He mashes from both sides. He had over 7% HR rate against lefties and righties last year, over 5% against both for his career. Batting average not great against either tho
LilChiliDawg
Alright.
The Jays get a thumper for the clean-up spot and to be the DH/OF.
Still need another bat, ideally a lead-off hitter for left field (whether it’s Jurickson Profar, or giving Jonatan Clase an opportunity).
Still… this team is barely an 84 win team
Salzilla
Not terrible for a 40 homer guy. Honestly with this signing thats now a decent offseason haul for the Jays: Santander, Hoffman, traded for Gimenez and Sandlin, resigned Yimi. I think their catching more flak than is deserved. Extend Vlad and it elevates it pretty massively.
Digdugler
Extend Vlad and most is forgiven.
Salzilla
*they’re not their.
Jays_Jen
They really, really have to extend Vladdy. Countdown to the 18th is on… Shatkins needs to get it done. Time now.
mikeyny
The Blue Jays have an opportunity to end this off-season as one of the big winners if they go out and sign Bregman to play 3B and Sherzer for the rotation.
Springer RF
Guerrero 1B
Santander DH
Bregman 3B
Bichette SS
Giminez 2B
Kirk C
Varsho CF
Loperfido LF
Gausman
Berrios
Scherzer
Francis
Bassitt
Wire to wire 2024
Sounds good on paper
Digdugler
dont want Bregman, makes no sense. Extend Vlad instead, Ernie is more than capable at 3B.
Sk8
I would rather they got Flaherty or Pivetta. Scherzer is done.
Sk8
No Bregman. Get Alonso and let him and Vladdy alternate DH and 1B. Let Vladdy play 3B on days Springer DH’s.
Sk8
Anthony Santander would’ve been a fool not to take their offer. Who else would have given him five years? No other team reeks of desperation more than the Jays (speaking as a lifelong Jays fan).
YourDreamGM
Other teams would give him 5 6 7 8 years. Years don’t matter. If anything more years the better. Teams aren’t actually paying the same amount of $ for every year.
jimmymlb1
Good luck with that. To bad you will be taxed to death and health care will be a mess. Don’t get hurt Tony!
Digdugler
huh? what does free healthcare have to do with a 20 million dollar baseball player? He will also be in the states every week.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Yep. With that kind of cheddar, the doctors come to you on-call 24/7.
YourDreamGM
These players and agents are much smarter than you. They factor taxes into their decision. And MLB players have excellent insurance so no need to depend on Canadian government and unless he is a Canadian citizen he probably couldn’t get that insurance I would guess. If they just gave it to anyone the migrants would just keep migrating up to Canada.
terrymesmer
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Jays_Jen
@jimmy….What are you even talking about?! Maybe stop relying on crap you hear online and actually look into healthcare for professional athletes, taxes, etc., before posting nonsense and looking ridiculous while at it. I bet you think MLB players in Canada get paid in Canadian dollars, too, right?
Digdugler
I am just mad Teoscar took such a discount to go to the Dodgers.
YourDreamGM
Didn’t seem like a impressive discount to me.
jvent
I guess Toronto won’t be signing Alonso than , unless they’re trading Vlad, which would be smart on their part to do especially trading with the Mets getting a couple of prospects than they sign Alonso ?
YourDreamGM
They don’t need a dh?
norcalblue
good for Blue Jays. If it’s under $90 million over 5 years, nice pick up.
Longtimecoming
Finally another correct guess! It’s been awhile.
CaseyAbell
He’ll hit some homers in that ballpark. Otherwise it’s hard to get excited about a two or three WAR player who’s hardly the solution to all of Toronto’s problems. Not to mention that it’s a five-year deal for a guy on the wrong side of thirty. But the team had to do something after missing out on every free agent in baseball history.
KnicksFanCavsFan
I wonder why players going to a team like Bmore want to accept deferred money? it’s one thing to do it so they can bring in other players so you can compete, but it’s that the case here? at the end of the day, you’re allowing your money to be devalued. or I guess, if it’s deferred past his career, maybe he won’t pay Canadian taxes assuming he’ll live in the US upon retirement? Am I correct with the assumption that Canadian based players don’t pay taxes on deferred money if they move back to the states when the money is paid our? If so, then that’s the mechanism the team might need to employ in the future to nab players. maybe add in a 20% bonus increase, too. So a 5/$100 deal could be bumped to a 20% “I have to play where fee” that grows it to 5/$120 with large chunks deferred.
YourDreamGM
It’s all factored into decision. I’m sure he didn’t turn down the same contract in non deferred $.
dasit
did not expect him to get 5 years. by all accounts a great teammate. blue jays are a mess but toronto is a world class city. good for him getting long-term security
Captain_Bigelow
Breaking news… his plane stopped in TOR, now on the way to LA.
GarryHarris
The Jays need to sign him BEFORE he gets on that plane to Toronto. Everyone who get on that plane first always sign elsewhere.
redsorbust
Almost fell out of my chair when I heard that it was not the Dodgers who signed him!!!
YourDreamGM
They already signed 2 better outfielders and have a dh.
Hunteraustin
Now they need to make a decision about 3rd.
Are they going to do nothing (typical jays)..
Or
Bringing in Alonzo and move vladdy to third.
Or
Bring in Bregman and possibly have Alonzo/vladdy doing duel duties at 1st and DH.
Digdugler
Makes more sense to add a LF still than a 3B. Ernie’s defense makes up for his tepid bat, Santander will be DH mostly so the biggest area of need is still outfield offence. The jays had the worst offensive outfield in the league last year if I recall and Springer is a year older now..
TheBoatmen
Clement to start until Orelvis gets the call. Power bat to go behind Santander.
DarrenDreifortsContract
Fools gold. He will be traded along with Vlad.
JScottG
You misspelled Dodgers…
Ketch
Yeah!! Toronto signed a free agent!!
Big Hurt
I enjoyed going to his BRef page and learning one of his nicknames is Tony Taters. The mlbtraderumors subscription paid for itself today friends.
Enrico Pallazzo
Generic comment complaining about deferred money….. oh wait that’s right we only complain about that when the Dodgers do it. Right, right. Sorry guys! My bad!
Patriot12992
Rule 5 draft pick to over 90 million dollar contract is impressive work.
rayw
Good for Tony Taters. Nothing but love. Hope he does great in Toronto. He’ll also be a great club house guy, so that’s an added bonus.
YourDreamGM
C for Toronto. What I expected it would take. Fair contract.
Rsox
How’d the Dodgers miss one?
Seriously though, good for the Jays. Santander is a good power bat for their lineup
jerfbeezy21
The Blue Jays are breaking baseball this is SO crazy!!!
Bobby Mongan
Good on Tony!! From a Rule 5 to a 5 year contract!! Toronto is getting a good player and a really good person and clubhouse guy.
He will be missed in Baltimore. Good Luck Tony!! I
RedFraggle
But not irreplaceable.
The Usual Suspect
@ ChangedName. Nothing quite like pigeonholing people certain age groups. The initial comment was trolling, and then you top it with your updated opinion. Good work, Junior.
letsgooakland123
Getting Trump in office is already benefitting Canada! /s
enteluj88
Hallelujah!
Angel 4ever
Good for the Jays but don’t fool yourself, their fans are pretty fickle. Had access to seasons tickets for 10 years. Packed when winning, extremely empty when not. More so than most places.
yick04
Good. The front office should feel pressure to build a winning team then.
TAKERDBACKS
Good for them
Old York
Seems like a terrible signing.
His recent performance raises concerns about the sustainability of his production, making the Blue Jays’ $92.5M investment risky. His career-high 44 home runs in 2024 is likely an outlier, with metrics such as HR/FB rate, BABIP, and xStats suggesting potential regression. While his walk rate has improved, his strikeout tendencies, high chase rates, and below-average contact skills could lead to declining offensive output, especially as he ages.
Defensively, Santander’s -13 Outs Above Average (OAA) and -3 Defensive Runs Saved (DRS) highlight his below-average value in the field. Combined with his limited speed and switch-hitter splits, his contributions are heavily reliant on maintaining elite power numbers, which are difficult to sustain long-term.
Given his inconsistent on-base skills and the likelihood of decline, the Blue Jays may have overpaid for a player whose value might not match the financial commitment.
Digdugler
Correct, but they will be bad once Vlad and Bo walk so may as well have fun this year if you arent going to extend or trade Vlad and Bo.
stymeedone
Really? You think his career high in HRs might be an outlier? I am so sorry that you did not post this in time to dissuade TOR from signing him! Why were you keeping this to yourself all this time!? Next you will try to tell us that Profar is not likely to repeat his season. Are you going to wait until after he signs, too?
Digdugler
It is extremely unlikely Profar will repeat his season given his past 10 years. Not impossible, but he shouldnt be paid as if he will repeat the year. Santander has had 3 or 4 similar seasons in a row so less risk of immediate decline.
YourDreamGM
92m in Toronto deferred $ isn’t the same as just 92m. If he got 4 80m would that be more reasonable? Because it’s probably something closer to that. Pretty much got that 5th year for free if he doesn’t opt out.
Ducey
Any team in the FA market is overpaying.
Its why good organisations draft and develop.
Unfortunately, Atkins has not done it well, so he has no choice but to chase all the FA’s.
I’m fine with it. They can make one final push this season. Then Vlad, Bo and Bassitt walk, and Atkins is fired. Then they can start the rebuild.
Mikenmn
Interesting…and a place where opt-outs kind of work. He’s a bit one-note, but (Alonso notwithstanding) the note has value. If he really has the juice in the tank to make him want to trigger an opt-out after the first three years–then Blue Jays do well-
YourDreamGM
I’m a fan of this opt out type.
YanksPhan42
Decent value on that deal for the lefty power the Jays are getting.
RustysWorld6986
Where have you gone Pete Alonsooooo …
YourDreamGM
Maybe Toronto. Bregman good option too.
taran7
What, deferrals??? Investigate the MLB! Blue Jays aren’t playing fair!!!
KcsMsFan
MLB should have structure and limitations on deferrals. They are horrible for baseball and for creating a competitive balance to the league.
Matt m
Mets should of gotten him…5 years but can opt out after 2 (2027) at about 93 million. Perfect substitute for Alonso… Once again , they screwed up getting winker ..
YourDreamGM
I’ll take Winker draft picks international $ and $ any day.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
It does seem the NYM really value their draft picks of any kind. They are not the only team that feels this way.
Even though they can afford to play up in the LAD team salary stratosphere I think they would generally like to have a team salary below any penalty thresholds
I think NYM is trying to create a younger foundation of players sprinkled with a maybe 3 or 4 type A players which Lindor and Soto are 2.
Currently they have some B and C players and short term role players to complement. Like Nimmo, Senga, Manaea.
Kind of a Tier B team with upside and mucho resources.
Between Now, ST and the trade deadline I suspect NYM will have 4 significant subtractions and 4 additions but PHI and ATL will also make some big changes
I am not really a fan of bringing Winker back. They wanted a LH hitter and lost out on Pederson. He will platoon with Marte and DH.
Somebody is gonna get traded by end of ST Usual Suspects –
Marte, McNeil, Megill, Blackburn probably in a package.
dasit
boras enjoying the atkins diet
YourDreamGM
If this was near top of page it would get massive thumbs up. But me reading and replying is better than 100 thumbs up. Excellent comment.
t0bIe1CaN0bI
He signed cuz the Tigers found out Alonzo is out on NYM, and bowed out and now Alonzo will play for Detroit and move Keith back to 2nd.
stymeedone
So Torres will just ride bench? Makes as little sense as signing Torres in the first place. I’d rather just put Torkelson back at 1B.
BlueBirds187
They need one more bat to make the lineup longer, Santander is a start. But why not a Bregman or Alonso
wineguy
As a Giants fan I’m really happy for the Jays landing a big bat. I was rooting for them to land Sasaki too after it was clear he wasn’t going to SF. Hope things turn around for them this season!
tuck 2
Big fan of Tony ever since Os grabbed as a rule 5, but this contract will not end well for Jays.
RedFraggle
Guy has one season with a 3 bWAR. Every other season sub 3. ~100 million. Sheesh.
Digdugler
1 WAR is worth like $10M a year in theory. So he only needs to have 1.8WAR ish/year to be fine. Also, WAR is dumb. Too many years but the price isnt bad.
Hank Murphy
WAR is a terrible stat. A statnerd creation.
Dumps like Varsho have good WAR, just shows you how useless the stat is.
BITA
Varsho is a terrific defender thats why he has a high WAR. WAR is the best way to judge a players overall contributions to winning.
Jbigz12
Toronto loses a pick. O’s pick one up and don’t commit ~ $100MM to a corner OF in his 30’s.
Hard to be upset. Hope he still has another couple years left in him.
Bluejaysjunkie
Big question. Who do they DFA? Or trade?
THEY LIVE!!!
Jays have finally signed a top FA!!!
Hank Murphy
He’ll get on a plane to Toronto, but disappear mid-flight and will be seen landing in NY after signing with the Mets.
DugoutJester
Gotta respect the Blue Jays; they’re definitely trying. Very solid contract for both sides. Hope this works out, the Blue Jays deserve it.
hersch
Great pickup. Now add Alonso or Bregman and really beef up the lineup. Then get Vladdy signed to the extension he wants.
RotiniRick
I love this move so much.
JoeBrady
5 years? For a guy that is arguably a DH? On the bright side, it helps my contest score.
jerfbeezy21
Now there is deferred money??? Everyone start clutching their pearls!!!
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Watch out Yankees. Blue Jays not going to roll over and play possum in 2025.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
This is the new normal:
5 years/$92.5M but $13.5M upfront and $35M on the back end so annual cost over the real time life of the contract is only $8.8M a year annually for the Blue Jays from 2025-2029.
The Dodgers won. This is the new normal. Watch virtually every team do this going forward.
Players have learned and teams have learned- lower real annual costs are way more manageable, players would rather continue to get paid a third of their “annual salary” for decades rather than all of it over a few short years- it prevents them from going broke, it feels good to get a paycheck and the lifetime cost to the team gets progressively lower over time.
We used to see 6 years/$106M deals with $3.5M signing bonus, $10M the first year, $12.5M, $12.5M, $20M, $20.375M, $22.275M and a $4M buyout or whatever over the life of the contract
That was the old way of structuring these deals.
Clearly, now the more standard structure is going to be 6 years/$106M with a $15M signing bonus, $7.5M annually with a $4M buyout on an option and $46M paid out in annual $4.6M installments for an additional 10 years.
This is the new normal.
And maybe there’s nothing wrong with that? Maybe the Dodgers were ahead of the curve on this?
philliesfan215
I absolutely hate deferrals in contracts. They need to be removed in the next CBA
jerfbeezy21
Honestly just curious…why? why if everyone can do it, why does it bother you? No trolling, just curious.
Enrico Pallazzo
You realize that teams have been using deferrals for a long time already right? The year the nationals won I think the majority of Scherzer’s contract was deferred. Were you crying about it then? Or did you just start crying about now that the Dodgers made it more famous? Pretty much every major FA contract this winter including the ones with the Mets and many other teams are using deferrals. Time to get over it. Don’t worry though I’m sure you’ll find something else to be upset about in no time at all.
Reynaldo's
BJs never should have walked away from an all-offensive team approach; they are a far cry from the day of Bautista, Donaldson, Collabello, Encarnacion, Hernandez. Now Vladdy will leave because he has no friends to speak Spanish to in that clubhouse.
Jays_Jen
Dude…
KcsMsFan
Anybody who signs with a team other than the Dodgers should be given a 20 million signing bonus.
Al castleberry
Salary caps are legit
'Tang It
Meh. This isn’t the difference maker for Toronto. This is the front office scrambling to save their jobs. They should’ve just blown it up.
Al castleberry
It will be more of a difference maker if they lose jr
zuffahd
finally jesus christ, now lets get bregman or Pete Alonso plssssss
YaGottaBelieveAgain
I really wish we could get Bregman, Profar, Flaherty, Scherzer, Pivetta and Arenado traded in the next week.
Rumblings MIN might do something.
I think they should keep P. Lopez and Pa ddock and build some depth to stabilize a talented but too often injured offense.
MIA has to add like 40M in payroll just to reach like the Athletics level. I don’t see how that is happening. ???
Al castleberry
Speaking of solid outfielders. Braves should pursue profar, create some flexibility with that lineup.
Al castleberry
Solid hitter
TheBoatmen
If you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em.
Enrico Pallazzo
This feels like a contract the mariners could easily fit into their budget if their owners weren’t the biggest scamming cheapskates since John Fisher and Bob Nutting
Poolhalljunkies
Meanwhile..in Boston ownership is busy preparing to bid on the Celtics..