The Blue Jays finally have a big splash, plucking a slugger from a division rival. The Jays officially announced the signing of star outfielder Anthony Santander to a five-year contract. The Beverly Hills Sports Council client is reportedly guaranteed $92.5MM, though heavy deferrals drop the net present value. For luxury tax purposes, the contract reportedly comes with an average annual value around $14MM — suggesting MLB calculates the net present value closer to $70MM. Santander can opt out after the third year, though the club will have the ability to override that by picking up an option for 2030. That has a base value of $15MM and contains a $5MM buyout.
The option and various escalators could tack on another $17.5MM over that sixth season. The deal is frontloaded and contains upwards of $35MM in deferrals, which can push beyond $50MM depending on the opt-out/option result. Toronto designated lefty Brandon Eisert for assignment to create a 40-man roster spot.
Santander, 30, has established himself as one of the better power bats in the league in recent years. That included a huge 44-homer tally in 2024. That was his personal best but it was also his sixth straight season in double digits and third straight with at least 28 long balls.
Earlier in his career, he undercut that power production somewhat with more tepid results in terms of batting average and drawing walks, though he has been better at drawing free passes over the past three years. From 2019 to 2021, he hit 49 homers in 240 games but only had a 5.2% walk rate. That led to a .252/.295/.474 batting line and 100 wRC+, indicating his strengths and weaknesses evened out to league average production on the whole.
For the 2022 to 2024 seasons, Santander improved his walk rate by a few ticks, finishing between 8.4% and 8.7% in each of those. That’s roughly league average, with all MLB hitters walking at an 8.2% clip last year. He added those walks without sacrificing his power, putting the ball over the wall 105 times, which made for a productive combination. He had a combined line of .244/.317/.478 for those three campaigns, which translated to a 124 wRC+.
Apart from those home runs, Santander’s contributions have been fairly limited. As mentioned, the on-base abilities have been subpar overall, though fairly decent in the past three years. He’s not a burner on the basepaths, having only once stolen more than two bases in a season. His outfield defense has generally been graded as a bit below league average. He has a career tally of -3 Defensive Runs Saved in over 5,000 outfield innings, with Outs Above Average having him at -13.
Though he’s not the most well-rounded player, he’s a strong fit for the Blue Jays for multiple reasons. The club’s offense was actually around league average last year, though with far better on-base ability than power production. As a team, the Jays slashed .241/.313/.389 for a 101 wRC+, tied for 13th in the league. Their 8.4% walk rate was actually one of the better marks, tied for seventh among the 30 MLB clubs. But they only hit 156 home runs, with just the Marlins, Rays, Nationals and White Sox below them. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. was the only guy on the team to reach the 20-homer plateau.
On top of that, Santander is a switch-hitter, with the Jays having been more right-leaning in recent years. Guerrero, Bo Bichette, George Springer and Alejandro Kirk all project for regular roles next year and each is right-handed. Ernie Clement, Davis Schneider, Leo Jiménez and Orelvis Martínez are also righties who could earn spots on the team. The Jays do have a few lefties, with Daulton Varsho, Andrés Giménez, Will Wagner and Joey Loperfido among them, though there are question marks there. Varsho and Giménez have been more glove-first players while Wagner and Loperfido are still lacking in big league experience. Santander’s splits have been fairly close to neutral in his career. He has hit .252/.320/.467 for a 116 wRC+ against lefties, .243/.302/.470 for a 111 wRC+ against righties.
The defensive hit from rostering Santander is also perhaps not a huge deal for Toronto. The Jays, as a team, led the league with 102 DRS last year. Their 26 OAA tally was fourth in the league. Sacrificing a bit of defensive value for the big power bat they need is a sensible tradeoff for them. They also don’t have a regular designated hitter and can perhaps keep Santander in that slot with some regularity. Justin Turner took most of the club’s DH plate appearances in 2024 before being traded to the Mariners at the deadline.
Beyond the on-field fit, the Jays have clearly been looking for a big offseason W for quite some time. The past year-plus has seen them make strong pursuits of marquee players, such as Shohei Ohtani, Juan Soto, Roki Sasaki, Max Fried and Corbin Burnes, but with the Jays coming up just short in all of those.
After missing on Ohtani last winter, the Jays pivoted to modest moves, re-signing Kevin Kiermaier as well as adding Turner, Isiah Kiner-Falefa and Yariel Rodríguez. No one in that group got a guarantee larger than $32MM. The 2024 season then went on to be a massive disappointment, with the Jays engineering a midseason selloff and finishing at 74-88. They seemed to come into this winter looking to mollify a disgruntled fan base but the near misses on Soto, Sasaki, Fried and Burnes only appeared to make things worse. Whether Santander is a true star is subjective, though this signing will be Toronto’s biggest since they signed Kevin Gausman three years ago.
One silver lining of the 2024 season falling apart for the Jays was that their midseason selling dipped them below the competitive balance tax, which lowered their penalties for signing a player who rejected a qualifying offer. That is the case here, as the Orioles extended a QO to Santander, which he naturally rejected. Had the Jays paid the tax in 2024, they would have forfeited $1MM of international bonus pool space by signing Santander, in addition to surrendering their second- and fifth-best picks in the draft. By ducking under the tax, the penalty is just $500K of 2026 pool space and only their second-best pick. Since Santander is guaranteed more than $50MM on this deal, the O’s will receive a compensation pick after the first round of this summer’s draft.
Coming into the offseason, MLBTR predicted that Santander could secure a four-year, $80MM pact. He seemed to have plenty of interest, with the Jays connected to him early on. Clubs like the Red Sox, Tigers, Yankees and Angels were also rumored to be interested at various times. Santander and his reps reportedly tried to parlay that interest into a five-year deal and/or a $100MM guarantee in December, per Jon Heyman of The New York Post. But he lingered unsigned into the new year and reportedly had some openness to considering a shorter pact.
In the end, he has gotten his five years, though at a lesser average annual value than he was seeking. The sticker price of $92.5MM over five years leads to an $18.5MM AAV, but the deferrals reduce that by a decent amount. The opt-out gives him a chance at some more future earnings, though the Jays could pick up the option and effectively make it $110MM over six years.
Using the pre-deferral $18.5MM AAV, RosterResource projects the club for a $237MM payroll and $263MM CBT calculation for this year. The club opened with a payroll of $225MM last year, per Cot’s Baseball Contracts, so they’re already beyond that. President Mark Shapiro previously suggested that he didn’t expect the club’s spending to drastically change compared to last year, perhaps suggesting there’s not much room left in the budget now. Though Scott Mitchell of TSN suggests that signing Pete Alonso is still a possibility for the Jays even after getting Santander, seemingly indicating otherwise. The club also reportedly has some interest in starting pitching upgrades and has been working to bolster the bullpen all winter. The CBT number is already beyond this year’s $261MM second tier, though the club will be a “first-time” payor on account of ducking under last year.
Perhaps the Jays will make some more additions, such as bringing in Alonso. Such a move would force him and Guerrero to share first base and the DH slot, thus pushing Santander into being an everyday outfielder. If that comes to pass, he would surely be in one corner with Springer in the other. Varsho will be the club’s regular center fielder once he’s healthy. Guys like Loperfido, Nathan Lukes, Myles Straw, Jonatan Clase and Alan Roden will either be options for depth roles or bench jobs. If Santander is able to serve as the DH more regularly, that could perhaps open more outfield playing time for those others.
For the clubs that missed on Santander, the outfield market is fairly thinned out. In addition to Santander, guys like Soto, Teoscar Hernández, Michael Conforto and Tyler O’Neill have come off the board. Jurickson Profar now stands alone as the top unsigned option, so perhaps his market will now pick up. Guys like Randal Grichuk, Harrison Bader, Mark Canha and others are also available.
Jon Morosi of MLB Network first reported that Santander and the Jays were in agreement, pending a physical. Ben Nicholson Smith and Shi Davidi of Sportsnet later reported that the physical was complete. Ari Alexander of KPRC 2 first reported the five-year length, the opt-out/club option override, the signing bonus, the $92.5MM guarantee and the possibility to get to $110MM. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic first reported that the opt-out is after 2027. Nicholson-Smith reported the frontloaded nature, as well as the approximate $14MM CBT value. Alexander reported that more than $35MM was deferred.
Jays got someone!
Respect the hustle and not giving up trying to improve the squad. Could be the Cardinals.
I respect that the jays tried but this signing will not fix the team
Whats probably going to happen is the jays are well under .500 and they trade Santander at the trade deadline kind of like Jorge soler this year
Too premature. Let’s wait until we see what the rest of the signings look like for the rest off the off season before we break out the crystal balls. Too early for that….
It’s getting late early.
I think it’s good to never break out the crystal “balls.”
I don’t have any confidence that Atkins will do anymore than this.
@178
You keep dating the same thing. Soto wasn’t protecting Judge. He was hitting in front of him. The only guys not with the Yanks that took turns hitting behind Judge last year were Rizzo and occasionally, Verdugo, and that’s not saying much. Wells, Stanton, and Jazz are all returning. Belli and Goldy should help, too.
I wouldn’t assume Guerrero’s numbers get automatically stronger just because Santander is added to the lineup. He isn’t a patient hitter and can be pitched around. Santander will help Guerrero the most when he’s on one of his 3-week heaters that Santander goes on 2-3 times a year. Don’t be shocked if the Jays’ offense disappears for 3-4 weeks at a time when Santander takes a vacation at the plate which he regularly does 3-4 times a season.
Nice addition to a lineup that could rebound and produce as they are capable.
They likely haven’t done enough to be a serious contender but they definitely won’t trade him at this deadline.
I really like this signing though. He may not hit 44 again but it is a legitimate clean up hitter for a team that’s been without that for several years.
Do the Red Sox pivot to Justin Turner for their righty bat? They’re obviously waiting it out for either the price of either Arenado trade) or Bregman (FA) to drop but I’m thinking another one year deal for Turner fits Henry’s budget better.
To me, the obvious move for the Red Sox is to pivot to Bregman and move Devers to DH/1B.
Trade Yoshida for whatever you can get while eating half his contract. Platoon hitting DH who has played terrible defense in Japan and in MLB and is coming off shoulder surgery that will keep him from throwing at all early in the season doesn’t have much value or a have a place in the OF on that team. Both he and Abreu hit LH and Abreu plays great defense. He won’t be spelling Abreu in the field.
For those that want to come back with “but Cora/Breslow said Yoshida would play a lot of OF in 2025”, I have a bridge I would like to sell you. He has not progressed in his rehab to the point where he can start throwing yet. Spring training starts in 3 weeks.
I pretty much agree with you Web but it’s unclear where it will end with Bregman or Arenado and thus my suggestion of Turner, Given how Henry seems to have changed, I’m not sure if he has the stomach to just get rid of Yoshida.
Dewey ‐ God I hope not. Turner at 40 reminds me an awful lot of Nelson Cruz. He is a primary DH now whose numbers declined with two teams last year. Unless he starts using Papi’s supplements, hard pass.
He had no protection last year and did just fine
Sori – It’s still way too risky, better safe than sorry.
Not disagreeing but the in-house options this year are definitely better than last yr. I was on board with signing a bat to be a true 4 hitter, even if he’s not a defensive asset, so an Alonso or Santander. I think it’s a disservice to judge and Cole to half ass going for a championship as they get older by crossing our fingers and hoping goldy isn’t cooked. I never wanted bregman or arenado but my opinion is changing slightly as the offseason drags on with no 4 hitter or 3Bman
Sorinotsori
I think it’s a disservice to judge and Cole to half ass going for a championship
=======================
So you think the NYY aren’t spending enough?
Whether it’s spending or trades to say we are playing for a championship while starting the season with DJ, Cabrera, peraza at 3B or 2B doesn’t seem right.
Knicks – I definitely wouldn’t sleep on Stanton.
He had an amazing postseason last year, if he can ever stay healthy enough to play in more than 114 regular season games, he will put up at least an .870 OPS like he did in 2021.
All it takes is paying the most $. Going 5 years. Giving opt outs. Giving draft pick. They got someone alright.
I mean, that’s not true. People often don’t want to play in certain cities/ballparks/etc
Right, ruthless? But ya know…that’s our dream gm.
Players go where they can make the most $. If you want them to go to another country with awful taxes and a mediocre team you gotta pay them. If the $ is the same they ain’t going to Toronto. If it’s a little more they ain’t going to Toronto.
Thanks to better available options and the QO Santander and Pete are perfect fits for Toronto. They got Santander for a reasonable price. Should be able to get Pete if they want to.
atkins grasping for a life preserver
Athletes “often” go to the team offering the most money. It was not difficult to type.
They’re not going after Pete, fer god’s sake. That would mean putting Vlad on third. That aint happening.
Pete going to take significantly less $ just so he can play 1b? I don’t think so. He will dh in Toronto.
Players always go where they make the most $. Living in a place you enjoy or near family has value. They aren’t taking less $. They just value living in one city more than another that’s more than the pile of cash.
Right, @paddyo…see Corbin Burnes.
Corbin didn’t take less $. His family lives there. Dbacks not only play there but have spring training there. Arizona has superior taxes. Arizona gave very player friendly opt outs.
Other teams may have offered a larger dollar number but not more $.
For Pete’s sake?
I hope they do make another move. I actually was hoping they wouldn’t panic and sign Santander. Sure, the AAV is nice, but 5 years is too long for a guy who had a career year during a contract year. I was hoping that Alonso was their move over Santander, but I def don’t have any hope in this regime anymore.
Putting Vlad at 3rd isn’t going to be too bad with all the defensive signings this team has been doing the last couple of years. I think signing Alonso would allow them to rotate Vlad and Alonso at 1B and DH, and Vlad at 3rd occasionally.
@Pete
He can DH. Also, I don’t suggest it, but Vlad wants to move back to 3rd.
@Jen, maybe you are unfamiliar with the definition of often.
“How can we lose when we’re so sincere,,,”
~ Charlie Brown
It could happen. It would not shock me at all to sign Alonzo and have Vlad play 3rd twice a week.
I may be in the minority of jays fans here, but Alonso is exactly the next piece they should be after. Let’s call a spade a spade. There is a good chance vladdy walks this offseason, so Pete provides lineup depth and an option at first from 2026-2028. Alternatively, get orelvis reps at 1B and Bregman could be viable FA.. but why risk that orelvis doesn’t cut it?
For one season.. then Vladdy will leave and Pete is the future 1B
lol…..they also might regret it as soon as year 1
Did you read the article?
As a Dodger fan, I respect the deferral..
Dodgers didn’t want him I guess…
Dodgers are saving for Kyle Tucker
yankees are getting tucker (manifesting)
I’m pretty sure he goes to Philadelphia
i think you mean “my team may consider letting him go to philadelphia but only if they’re feeling generous” 😉
I hope philly gets Tucker or Vlad Jr
I think Mets get Vlad and the Yankees get Tucker. They won’t defer payments.
And Vladdy Jr. This is the final guaranteed year on Muncy’s contract. Don’t pick up the option for 2026, sign Vlad to play 3B. Freeman’s contract ends in 2027 when he’ll be 37 years old. Vlad slides over to 1B at that point. Pick up a new 3B at that point.
are vlad and soto friends? i remember a couple of funny on-field exchanges that made me think they were buddies
He’s going wherever he can make the most $. Next geographical preference. Next odds of winning. What team his friends are on isn’t at the top of the list and won’t factor in.
I think that’s how it’s flying to go down as well.
Shocking since Santander’s contract is partially deferred.
@Jays
The Jay’s are like the guy that goes to the strip club at 2pm when the C squad is working and he’s just so happy to find that 1 slightly good looking stripper working because they have a pocket full on 1’s burning a hole in their pocket. Just kidding Torontonians. Love you guys.
5/$125?
Speaking from experience?
It did sound oddly specific. lol
@meckert @joe
I had a lunch meeting with a radio programmer in Toledo, OH. He said they had great chicken wings there, and it was his favorite spot. Can’t say no. Aside from the c- section scars, she was OK. Had all her teeth, too. Some pointed in different directions, but hey, like I said, 2pm.
Hilarious.
asking for a friend…
@dasit
are you from Toledo by any chance? a serious question.
Honestly, we’ve probably all been there! LOL
There right now.
I mean I never turn down a free meal.
@Wade
I have heard you’re very fond of chicken. And tig ole bitties
nope raised in new york now in dodgerland
And about 100 beers!
Was it finger lickin good?
Uhhhhh… Lol
What team was the “runner-up”, as if there is some sort of thing?
Shapiro & Atkins finally signed someone
Boras got him a substantial guarantee that probably no one else would come even close.
*Next on his checklist see if OF needy team will pay more than expected for his client Profar off this result albeit couple years older.
Good for another out of the money finish.
As a Padres fan innthe Blue Jays court.Great signing! Pulling for you guys!
Yeah the Jays are paying for 2 War a year( $14 Mil) and Santander has delivered an average of 2.73 War/yr for the last 3 years. Hopefully he can average the same for the next 3 yrs and then ops out.
Rumors have it 17 others teams had deals lined up but backed out because his medicals revealed extensive quadriplegia and typhus.
Glad for Jays fans.
Big win for a small market team!
You misspelled Dodgers…
Aw man, I was hoping they just wouldn’t get anyone it would be funny
As a Jay’s fan so was I.
Kind of deal without even knowing the terms that can end up being either a steal or one that is regretted. I initially loved him as an O’Neil replacement in Boston after his 40 bombs season. Being a switch hitter I thought would more than offset his defensive liabilities. The more I reviewed his stats, I realized he’s not really a true switch hitter and I’m tired of the HR, BB or SO player. That said, hopefully he does his damage against the Yanks and O’s.
I don’t see Santander as a 3 true outcome player. He doesn’t walk a lot or strike out a lot. He hits a whole bunch of fly balls and that means lots of HRs and lots of routine outs. Low BABIP but the ball is in play a lot.
@dewey – the article states, splits-wise:
“Santander’s splits have been fairly close to neutral in his career. He has hit .252/.320/.467 for a 116 wRC+ against lefties, .243/.302/.470 for a 111 wRC+ against righties.”
I was initially hoping for O’Neill on the Jays, but with his injury history, I think we Jays’ fans (at least this Jays’ fan!) would much rather have Santander. He was always a Jays’ killer! Will be really nice to have him not perpetually crush us in ALE play!
Thanks Jay, I guess I was relying on last year when he had his career best.
While Santander won’t hurt the Jays batting against them anymore I would be worried about his career slash at Rogers — .194/.275/.398 for a .673 OPS. With 121 PAs under his belt there it’s a sizable set of numbers to be concerned about.
Jen – Santander is definitely the better choice over O’Neill.
If you want the Jays to add a Canadian, it should be Pivetta.
Jeff Hoffman?
@clofreesz. Gimenez.
The sad thing is that this one deal puts them way over the CBT penalty. Toronto needs so much more than Santander to be competitive again. They are not getting the bang for the buck from their existing, high priced veterans like Springer, and their pitchers are starting to age too. It might be time for a full rebuild. If things don’t go well in Apr-Jun, they can sell Vladdy and Bo off at the trade deadline, along with a pitcher or two and start their rebuild this season with some solid, young prospects.
They finally get someone. Good news for the couple of Toronto fans.
Toronto has like a top 5 fanbase size. Am I misunderstanding this?
“Am I misunderstanding”..That guy has apparently never watched the Bluejays. The Blue Jays have a whole country of Canadian fans and many also in America.
A few seconds you can easily look up their attendance and since you have absolutely zero knowledge on the subject see how it ranks vs other teams.
Toronto was 9th in attendance last year with just under 2.7M tickets sold. They usually draw north of 3M, but their team was bad last year so there was a fall off in ticket sales. Funny how that works, isn’t it?
Meanwhile, the Dodgers drew 3.9M fans last year, about 600K more than the 2nd place Yankees.
Jays have a huge market and fanbase, but thanks for the ignorant comment.
Comments like this really affirm my viewpoint that the MLBTR comments section is just a group of 60 year olds with really outdated opinions and thoughts on the game. Pretty amazing that people still believe this about a nearly 50 year old franchise in a huge city.
@Change
Or he was making a throw-away comment and didn’t truly care whether it had any validity but wanted to get a rise out of you maple chuggers. Lay off the sticky guys.
“Lay off the sticky”, “maple chuggers”, is every commenter on this site Red Forman?
At your advanced age you should really watch your blood pressure 🙁
@Change
“The Sticky” was a reference to a Netflix series about male syrup bootleggers. Yes….outlaw maple syrup runners.
@Derek
I try to… but the sticky!!! the sticky keeps me coming back.
laughed out loud
fantastic
Maple chugger is objectively funny, thanks.
It’s not 60 year olds with the ignorant comments on here. It’s the 12 year olds.
Why, there are no children here at the 4-H Club either. Am I so out of touch? No. It’s the children who are wrong.
okay, boomer 😉
Ah this was great.
60 year olds remember the Jays as selling out every game and leading the league in attendance and fielding a good team every year.
We provided you with a job, and thats what you think of seasoned veterans? Bad take.
Don’t be jealous a couple people like them and you’re lonely
Well well well
Say it ain’t so Tony, say it ain’t so.
This should mean no Alonso for Toronto.
Alonso to the REDS!!…sigh, I can only dream…
@ Stingray
I assume most NL Central fans woud love seeing the Reds commit a sizable chunk of their payroll to a 1B with stats trending down
He would literally be an improvement on anyone they ran out there last year. I know he is not an option as we need another outfielder but I don’t think they are serious about signing one.
Santander to the Reds would have been the best fit.
No….Luis Robert would be the best fit for Reds at a fraction of years/ price.
As a White Sox fan the past 60 years, I wouldn’t be upset seeing “El Pantera” start fresh somewhere else. He’s had 1-good season and been hurt every other season.
They could use both and pinching pennies is not something they should bd doing.
Reds payroll is a joke. They should be ashamed of themselves. Dodgers pay Ohtani and there DL list more then there 26 man roster
Would be nightmare. Draft pick could cost them a high upside hs player. Unless he takes less than Mets offer it would be awful.
The smart team in Ohio traded 2 1b, picked up 4 pitching prospects and a draft pick and signed Santana. That’s how you do it. Instead of keeping awful salary they dumped it on Toronto.
Sure, but the Reds get competitive balance picks anyway. They can move money around the draft still.
I was more thinking about the entertainment value of Santander who hits so many fly balls playing 81 games in that park.
Alonso would be a great veteran presence in the Cincy lineup. Not a Reds fan and don’t think they would go after Alonso but seeing Elly, McLain and Steer hit in front of Alonso would be fun.
@lasagna: The main veteran presence is Francona getting the most collectively out of his players. They’ll get Robert or some OF.
Alonso and Tony taters w that young reds nucleus could have meant danger for the Cubs n brewers
I mean it might, but 5 years seems like it could mean they are spreading out the $$$ a bit to try and bring in something else as I don’t think anyone expected 5 years for AS
Which is for the best as it would force Santander to be an everyday LF whereas now he can DH more
Not necessarily. In the article I read about him signing it said they are still open to signing Alonso as well. That makes sense as they need more than one player to contend. If they just signed Santander and stopped, there would be not much point to even signing Santander (at least in my opinion).
They can still fit him in the lineup with Santander playing in the outfield and Vlad switching between first, DH, and third. Alonso can just switch between first and DH.
Hey they got somebody. Atta Boys! 2nd no Mas!
One-year deal or a multi-year deal with an opt-out.
The source: Probably
Can someone explain why the Jays are so desperate to sign a bunch of guys. There roster as currently constructed is kinda terrible? One guy with an OPS above 800 last year lol. They’re like 5 moves away from being good.
Atkins’ Last Stand? Trying to prove to Vlad Jr/Bichette they can be competitive before inevitably walking with nothing but memories and comp picks.
Jays have a big remodeled building to fill. Ohtani would have filled it. Soto would fill a nice chunk. No one cares about Santander though. But getting a few guys. Being in on everyone. Will keep more ticket buyers than doing nothing. Rebuild would lose fans. Extending Vlad would definitely keep most ticket buyers.
@Your
I think having guys like Santander, while he may not move the needle on his ownsome, could help future FA in that the cupboard won’t look so bare. These guys talk to each other. Maybe sometime down the road, he can recruit a former Orioles FA to sign with the Jay’s.
@KnicksFanCavsFan They go wherever they can make the most $. But sure if your odds of winning are better it might just takes millions instead of tens of millions.
Toronto biggest problem is taxes. They have to pay more to begin with. Next is endorsements. Sure they got a huge country but not huge population. For those who don’t know it’s similar to California. NY LA have the endorsement $ and odds on favorites to win. They spend every year. Contend every year.
Unless Toronto pays significantly more they won’t get free agents.
But anyone NY LA PHI ATL BOS CHI HOU etc doesn’t want is a bargain for TOR. No one else wanted Santander so good for them. They got him for a solid price.
A dream GM should know that taxes in Toronto are a push with taxes in CA. If its not stopping players from signing with LA, SF, or SD, then it shouldn’t be a deterrent for TOR.
@YourDream GM – Isn’t the problem though they’re not extending any of their young crop? They’ve signed free agents (Springer, Gausman, Bassitt). ATL would gladly take Santander as COF (def limitations notwithstanding), but they wouldn’t come close to a 5-year deal AND an opt-out. So maybe TOR did have to overpay in that respect.
So ive looked into alot of this. In Canada you are taxed 50%-54% on $1M+ incomes and places like California are essitally the same. The no state tax states ypu are taxed about 37%. Canada populution is equal to cali and NY state combined. Canada also as some type of tax provision where you can set aside a certin % of your income that is taxed less as they realize no athletes would come otherwise. This % that is put aside and taxed less is what Bautista, Martin and Donaldson where recently in court for with the Canadian government which the players won. So all in all the taxes are just ahead of cali, the weather sucks but the people are more friendly. You hqve a huge market and away games in seattle, ohio and Florida are more like home games. There are sponsership oppurtunitys for sure but the stayes has better 1s
@stymeedone I’m not a dream accountant. I did read that article about Martin Donaldson and that sounded like a nightmare that wouldn’t have happened if they signed with California.
And I didn’t say California was cheaper. Just combined with odds of winning and endorsements LA is more favorable to majority of players. LA is more favorable than SD SF. If everything is equal you would rather win than lose.
@RunDMC Epic failure. Since the early 90s when Cleveland gm saw Pittsburgh lose all it’s talent the blueprint has been to extend your players for less $ in exchange for financial security. Cleveland still does this. Atlanta does it famously. Heck even Pittsburgh does this.
Santander was easy as it gets for Toronto. Seems like Pete will be the same. Maybe Bregman. Big dogs NY LA already ate. SD ATL PHI HOU about maxed out. If CHI BOS SF ain’t interested it’s easy street for them. No better year time for Toronto to sign guys.
Murphy NFLD. Population of California 39M, New York state 20M. Total 59M Population of Canada 40M.
Plus adding a couple players and add in some bounce back candidates on the roster, jays could surprise
They could be at memorial day in the hunt for the wild card and then people may pour in during the summer…… thus selling more tix which means a lot more revenue
They could be at memorial day in the hunt for the wild card
======================
Almost everyone is in the hunt on Memorial Day.
Nobody wants to go to canada lol
With how the Dodgers see just giving the middle finger to the league right now. The Jays should tear it all down and rebuild. Be good with all the Dodgers can’t afford to pay league minimum.
Dodgers may be eating up the league for this offseason but they HAVE to win. They’re currently projected at $79MM over the highest threshold if they make no further moves, and remember, no matter how badly they want someone, or how badly the player wants them, they only have 26 roster spots for ML roster construction.
That means, they simply cannot operate this way in the future unless they simply dump players and eat the money.
So, another way of looking at this is that the Dodgers are doing the league a favor. They will have to dump key names and eat salary to open up spots (or just DFA them) which will get these names to other teams for far lesser pay; or, they will sit out of future offseasons (not completely, of course) while other teams scoop up talent.
Add to that the millions upon millions going to the revenue sharing teams from the Dodgers alone (in LAD’s case, about $35MM total, iirc), and the teams are already benefitting financially from the Dodger’s spending.
And remember, they MUST win. Otherwise, they’re the joke of the league (much like my Yankees were before last season).
Your logic is sound but the likelihood that the Dodgers don’t make it to the WS is quite small I would think. On a side now with all the premium pitching they have I would not let Othani pitch unless it is somewhere in his contract that says he needs to. Why risk blowing out his arm?
He is way to valuable as a hitter IMO.
Dodgers will be fine. I would guess the luxury tax only goes up. More likely than a cap. Owners players all making so don’t fix what ain’t broken. And it’s not like they signed Boegarts Bryant Baez Rendon. All these contracts are impact players. They won’t be mvps but all stars or close enough. Freeman can be Goldschmidt. Mookie Cutch but maybe still being able to play field. Ohtani will be able to hit above average right? And by 2030 2035 imagine what contracts will look like. These will be ok enough contracts. And the deferred $ isn’t a issue. Other teams have spent more or close to same as Dodgers and they don’t have Dodgers attendance or tv deal. Eventually the Dodgers will also get some home grown aka minimum wage talent.
If you are waiting on the downfall of the Dodgers you will have a long wait.
As great a team as the Dodgers have, the odds will always be stacked against them making it again to the WS. It’s the nature of short playoffs series when you could be facing a hot and lucky team. Ohtani should absolutely pitch. It’s what they paid him for.
They have the best odds this year. Probably next and next. At worst 2nd 3rd 4th best odds. If they don’t make a ws in next 5 years it will be considered a disappoinment. But yeah they shouldn’t make it every year. Even 100m Pirates Reds or someone could knock them out 1 year.
@YankeesBC – and health…they can never seem to stay healthy.
They have to get through a short series. The White Sox can win three games in a row on occasion.
“And remember, they MUST win. Otherwise, they’re the joke of the league”
The things people say to cope lol.
Do you disagree? It’s not coping, it’s true. You guys will be unrelentingly battered if you lose. Much like the Mets were when they tried to buy a championship. And much like the YanKees were for many years, particularly when they failed to make the playoffs two seasons ago.
Pride before the fall….
I don’t live on the internet. I don’t spend time thinking about other teams or fan bases much. I watch the Dodgers. I root for the Dodgers. I don’t view baseball from the same cynical view that you have. I understand how difficult baseball is and I appreciate these amazing athletes that give it their all. Maybe that’s because I root for a team/organization that’s committed to winning? I don’t really worry about what other teams are doing or what randos on the internet are thinking.
Uh, that’s seems like a very, very defensive posture. You’ve no idea how I feel about the Dodgers, and I’m a Yankees fan, so I’m not worried about any team. And my view is not cynical, it’s objective. But I’ve been a vocal supporter of what the Dodgers are doing. That doesn’t negate my position.
For someone not worried about other teams you sure seem to take personal offense to an innocuous statement. Again, pride before the fall.
To your other point, I’m certain no one lives on the internet.
Again, this is what you wrote.
“And remember, they MUST win. Otherwise, they’re the joke of the league”
You have a cynical view of baseball. Just try rooting for your team and spending less time thinking about who is and isn’t a “joke.”
@unpaid
That series with Sister Agnes School of the One Legged was tight right down to the last pitch, but you’re right… the Southsiders ave won’t in a row before, albeit rare.
@Yank Clip, Muncy will be gone soon, Kershaw will be gone soon, freeman will be gone soon. They can be replaced by the next 3 superstars when the time comes
Sure, and I think they will. It just won’t be every year… and 1B may very well be Murakami. They’re not going to tank, they’re going to spend, and they’re going to compete every year. Many people seem to think every offseason they are going to grab every FA, much like the past two offseasons, but it’s just not going to happen.
Dodgers already winning. They got the best tv deal. Huge stadium that’s full. They didn’t have to spend all this $. They are investment guys. It’s just going to make them more $.
They don’t have to win another championship. How long has it been since Yankees won? They probably spend around the same amount in that time frame. Mets have been spending recently. Just as much pressure on them. Well LA has 2 championships this decade so even more pressure on NY.
If you think Andrew Friedman hasn’t figured out everything you’re referring to many times over, then I feel a little sorry for you. That guy is the best GM in the game by a lot, and he knows how to plan-out a payroll 10-15 years into the future.
I’m not a Dodger fan, but with the LAD ownership group’s cash and Friedman’s brain, they’re going to be the favorites going into every season for a long time into the future.
Get used to it, Yankee boy — most of us already have.
“That guy is the best GM in the game” In the game… maybe. In the universe definitely not.
Sadaharu: I’ve already said they have the best FO in the game. So what, they’ve won twice in five years, only one of which was a full season… and they were almost beat again last year by the Padres.
Sure, they’re the favorites. But, who cares? That’s why the games are played on the field.
DreamGM: I agree, the Yankees have far more pressure. In fact, I’ve said many times that the pressure they were under to deliver should’ve resulted in Cashman/Boone being fired years ago. But they have not operated like the Dodgers in a long time. They’ve always spent a lot, but it’s been since 2009 that they’ve gone all-in like LA.
And to clarify, as long as they keep touting their glorious past and current administration, the Yankees should be slammed every year they don’t make it to the WS. I know I slammed them plenty over the past decade, and they deserve every bit of it. This year, they seem to be at least getting more well-rounded, but they’re not in the same stratosphere as the Dodgers, unfortunately.
I’m happy for the Dodgers fans. I love to see a team this set on winning. They’re using every single advantage at their disposal and it’s awesome.
@Yankee Clipper
According to usa today opening payroll 2024
Mets − $305,624,274
Yankees − $303,322,047
Dodgers − $249,823,654
Phillies − $243,476,617
Astros − $236,524,482
Yeah dodgers are deferring lots but as Toronto shown NY could as well.
I don’t think theres any pressure on any of them. How longs it been for NY. Stadium still full. If they don’t win this decade stadium likely still full. Fans and media will still yap but no reason for Hal to give a it about it.
I like Cashman. Makes all these trades and prospects don’t usually amount to much. Unfortunately a lot of prospects he keeps doesn’t amount to much. But other teams value them so he’s doing something. Only gm with average intelligence to get Tim Hill. That was a gift and 29 other gms were too stupid to realize it. Maybe even Cashman as he should have claimed him. Maybe he was so smart he knew the others wouldn’t!
But yeah. Could do better maybe. Could do worse absolutely.
Friedman is not a GM.
Pirates are joke of league. Haven’t won a playoff series since 1979
Yes the Dodgers r great, but….as a direct result of their current off-season, the calls r already raining down like a noreaster on all of baseball for a salary cap to be force fed to the union in the next CBA which comes up in just 2 years so its likely the Dodgers r biting their own ass atm bc the 2027 season is unlikely to take place due to an owners lockout!!!
That will not take place
Kind of following the path of the Mets. Buy some players while you rebuild the farm.
The Jays are trying to sign players to fix the roster, I think that’s obvious.
Should they just trade everyone away and tank? What else should they be doing?
yes they should.
You’re bang on. A last place team acting like they need a nudge over the edge of the table to win. Sad to watch really.
@PT
It says a lot about how the expectations of hands had changed when you admit the team sticks them question why they would attempt to sign “good” (admittedly a relative term vs the contract given) players. To improve hopefully?
hands=fans
sticks=sucks
The same reason any team adds to the roster, to get better. Sure, it will take more than one move, but if you never make the first move, you will never complete the upgrade.
To be fair, zips was projecting them for mid-80s wins before they even signed Santander.
There’s bound to be a bunch of improvement simply because it’s very unlikely the bullpen will be that bad again. They were dead last in bullpen era. A lot of games were coughed up.
Guess Alonso won’t be going there either. Really only one team that is willing to sign him. Cmon Steve get it done
@burn0820. Alonso might not have anywhere to go unless it’s a one year deal.
It’s time for Alonso and Boras to face the facts about how teams value him.
It’s his pride. I think there are teams who would give him 3/70ish, and I think they’d get really good production. But no, he’s not getting the 6/150+ he wanted and he needs to deal with it.
Alonso is dumb he should have taken the 3 year deal. Walker got a 3 year 60MM at 34, if Pete matched that 3 years down the line it would have been right around the Mets previous offer of 6 year 138MM he turned down.
@Ray
the fact that this feel into the winter, he torn down a 3 yeast deal from the Mets, which makes me think they have at least a 4-year deal from someone. maybe even Toronto? Remember how the Dbacks came out of nowhere to sign Burns?
Burns came to D Backs tho I can’t see any team really needing Alonso that bad to offer a 4 year deal, especially when we know the team with biggest 1b need (Mets) only offered 3 at 70MM. I could see Blue Jays or RSox making n offer but I can’t see it being better then Mets with the exception of giving him opt outs.
@Rey
Even better. Jay’s have money and need. Offer Alonzo 4/$85. It’s clear that the Jay’s need to overpay for good talent.
For that price he’s better off going to the Mets w/ 3 years 70MM. If they offer 4 years it’s prob gotta be around 100MM if there’s no opt outs.
Alonso wouldn’t be a great fit for the Jays unless he and Vladdy switched off 1B and DH (or Vlad to 3rd!). Vlad rarely sits, so it would be a strange acquisition. Or Alonso DH only? Money can be better spent, methinks. If someone will take it! I think the Jays make a few (better) trades before the offseason ends…I keep thinking they will try to get Montgomery to get a lefty. Could bounce back, who knows?
This doesn’t prevent Pete. Santander can play outfield. He isn’t a dh yet. And if they can’t sign Vlad Pete will be their 1b.
A player with nowhere else to go is a perfect fit for Toronto.
@burn
The Jay’s have 3 OF with an OPS of .700 and under. Last year’s DH, Justin Turner, I think, is an unsigned FA. Why would this Santander signing prevent them from signing Alonzo? He could be the full-time DH, or they could move Vlad back to 3rd. I wouldn’t suggest it, but I’ve read that Vlad wants to return to playing 3rd base.
Alonso isn’t going to rebuild his value by being a dh.
@Stym
If he’s offered a 5 year deal, there is no rebuilding his value. He’s a one trick pony. He hits homers. By last year’s standards, 34 hrs was a great year. For him to forgo a 5/$100 deal at age 30 would be foolish to do so with the intent of taking a 1 year deal to try and surpass 34 homers. Even if he did that and slugged 45 homers, what would he get the next year? More than Santander just teched from them after he hit 44 at the same age? This next multi year deal will likely be his last multi year deal.
@KnicksfanCavsfan
I’m making the call that Alonso won’t be signing that next multi year deal this off season. Toronto still has hope of keeping Vlad long term, so I don’t think they would look at Alonso except on a one year. But yes, if someone offers him that long term deal, he won’t need to rebuild his value. I would expect that mystery team to plan on him playing 1B, and not being a full time dh, unlike his fit in TOR.
DH is irrelevant. You already know what he can do at 1b. Playing another year at 1b isn’t going to increase his value. Nothing will increase his value other than hitting the ball harder.
DH is not irrelevant. Playing at 1B won’t increase his value, but becoming a DH only will decrease it. Just ask JDM. As to hitting the ball harder, that is irrelevant. Hitting more HRs will matter. Improving his average will matter. Hitting the ball harder doesn’t guarantee better performance. It just guarantees that his outs will be hit harder.
@sty
If the team has a 1b, then he can DH. If they don’t, then, in the short-term, he plays 1b. It’s not that difficult.
@Your
If he gets a good multi year deal like 4+ years, then I don’t think he would worry about rebuilding his value.
@stymeedone Come on sty. You are too active here to believe these things. Moving to DH because you are old washed up and simply can’t do it anymore is different than doing it because a team star is already there.
Teams aren’t absolute idiots anymore. Well most of them. They know if hrs are because of luck or ballpark. If someone hits 30 hrs or 50 it doesn’t matter. Teams don’t care what you did in someone else’s park or in past years. What are you going to do for my team moving forward. They look at data. Not stats. Except AJ Preller who paid for inflated Fenway stats. Why Bellinger didn’t get his 200 300 million or whatever ridiculous number he wanted. Data. Not stats.
@KnicksFanCavsFan agree 100%. And he never destroyed the ball. Hard to start hitting it harder at 30. Isn’t becoming more athletic. Likely not becoming better defensively. I don’t like the odds of him increasing value. What he can do is maintain value and enter into a better market for him with no QO.
If he slashes .250/.350/530 w 45 bombs….. his value will be fine if he plans on re-entering the open market
BANG
santander has rough #s in toronto. career .194 avg, .275 obp
blujays must have paid alot of maple syrup to get him
You know that has more to do with the pitching he faced there, and not as much to do with the stadium, right?
yes and no. if he struggles to pick up the ball with the batters eye, it’s a big problem.
I seldom see that stand up. When the Panda joined the RS, the overlay of his previous year stats, converted to Fenway, looked like he would hit 30+ HRs. I wouldn’t dismiss it, but I don’t weigh that heavily.
They did it! Congrats Blue Jays!!
5 years is INSANE!
I agree, unfortunately, Atkins is desperate and everyone knows it.
I’d give him 6. Years don’t matter. You’re only buying the productive years. If the player lets you stretch it out awesome. Maybe he ages well and it’s a steal. They only paid in my evaluation for 4 years. 5th year is free if he doesn’t opt out.
No it’s not
It is and it’s almost certainly going to end badly for Toronto.
Santander is a completely one dimensional slugger heading into his 30s coming off a career year. It’s a foolish deal founded in pure desperation and I am glad the Orioles went in another direction despite him being one of my favorite Orioles of the last 20 years.
Give me a break dude. The Orioles swapped Santander out for a guy who gets hurt using the bathroom. And if ONeill does manage to actually stay healthy and has a good season he’s going to opt out after 2025.
I’m extremely happy with how it played out. It’s exactly what I wanted, in fact.
O’Neill upgrades the area the Orioles actually needed to upgrade (hitting against lefties) and it came without a risky 5 year commitment for an aging one dimensional player, plus it doesn’t completely block Kjerstad since he will get a decent amount of ABs in RF against righties. AND we get a draft pick from a divisional rival.
I literally wouldn’t change a thing here.
Have you read the details of his contract? With the deferred money the value of the contract is 5 years 70 million. That’s less annually than ONeill. And you are happy the way it played out? OK homer……
Yes, I am extremely happy with how it worked out, because O’Neill better suits our actual needs and it’s not even really that close. We desperately needed to improve against lefties and his career OPS against lefties is like 150 points higher than Santander’s and it was almost 400 points higher in 2024.
I fully expect the combo O’Neill and Kjerstad to outperform Santander next year and probably pretty comfortably at that.
Lol ok
Concession accepted 🙂
Agreed: I’m good with paying about half the amount that Tony Taters got for O’neil and Kjerstad to get on base more frequently and have about the same power production.
And improved defense over Santander in all likelihood.
It’s not half the amount. With the deferred money Santander is actually making less annually than ONeill is making. And Kjerstad is on the team regardless not sure why he’s being mentioned.
Santander has had more than 800 at bats more than ONeill over the last 3 years. ONeill is good when he plays. But he misses a lot of games.
Kjerstad is being mentioned because he is completely relevant to the discussion since he will be getting a notable portion of the ABs that would have gone to Santander and would have had virtually no path to semi-regular ABs if Santander had been retained.
Under the new arrangement, he will get fairly frequent starts against righties.
OHearn isn’t that good and a soon to be free agent. Kjerstad could get at bats at DH or in the outfield or at 1b. You need 10 good players for the 9 spots in the lineup because guys need days off and guys get hurt.
O’Hearn has a 122 OPS+ since joining the Orioles in 2023.
Seems pretty good to me.
Yeah good OPS and no defensive value at all. He put up a similar WAR in 2 years that Santander put up in 2024 alone.
Why should I care about his defense when he is going to be the primary DH?
Mountcastle is the everyday 1B and he is pretty excellent defensively.
Like most of the Orioles, I always thought Santander needed to be more patient. 10-15 additional walks per season would do wonders for the perception of him.
He’s a palatable defender, I guess. Certainly not great. He can (and will in a couple of years) DH and he can fill in at 1B.
He’s also been good for 150+ games per year and 30 HR, not 40. I think Santander’s career year was 2024 and Jays fans should not expect a repeat.
The Orioles were unwilling to make the commitment even at the Jays’ rate of pay. If O’Neill is healthy and goes off, the Orioles benefit in 2025 and then O’Neill probably opts out. Then they are surely hoping that Kjerstad has become established (because he’s CHEAPER) with the two both playing RF and DH. Kjerstad has showed at least promise at being more than a platoon player at this point.
Odds are O’Neill will miss some to significant time, giving Kjerstad the opportunity to display himself as a FT player and O’Neill possibly staying to give future platoon opportunities because no one wants to take the injury risk on him. Orioles also probably losing O’Hearn next yr and possibly Mountcastle, so there will be more DH AB’s available.
Let’s also not overrate O’Neill’s defense, which has certainly degraded from GG quality to a bit above average the last couple years – not a huge difference maker at this point.
Will be interesting to look back after the season to see who made out better.
Santander is a pretty terrible defender actually. His “highlight reel” plays would be completely routine and unremarkable for even an average defensive OFer, but he just barely makes them because of his well below average range and speed, and those are things that are only going to decline more as he gets further into his 30s.
Yeah good points Thornton
In regards to ONeills defense it’s hard to say. I think he has been playing tentatively lately to avoid injury. Will.he continue to do that? He might. And he did that last year and still got hurt. I am a huge ONeill fan I know more about him than most people do. He trained with his dad who was a pro bodybuilder and because of that his body hasn’t held up. It’s a tricky thing because his training got him this far but I am sure it’s why he’s had a hard time staying healthy.
Not if the annual salary is lower. 5/85 wouldn’t be too bad.
He’s a 2.5 to 3 win player coming off a good year. 20 per for 5 years sounds about right to me. And I think the Jays might have to pay a little more to cover the extra taxes.
Coming off HIS BEST YEAR, you are assuming his best year will be the next 5 years as well. The odds are astronomically low for that to happen.
I didn’t assume that at all. The 2.5 to 3 wins is an average over his career i was just pointing out that he is coming off a good year. Because he is. If he was coming off a poor year people would say he’s in decline clearly he’s not.
if he is getting 5*20 Atkins has completely lost his mind.
I agree with boatmen, 5/85 maybe. the fact there is an opt out after year 4 likely indicates the $$$$ value is lower since I cant imagine he’s getting more than $20m per in 4 years
I probably am going to hate the $ and years it took to get him, but screw it! We got someone!
I doubt you’ll hate the $. I think the Santander line was pretty short, and this sounds like pretty team-friendly deal to me (not knowing the $$ yet).
Nothing to hate. They got him for fair price.
Yeah, I’m good with this. Nice get. Now get some pitching! I’d take another bat, too
About time I got a pick right it had been a while. Santander is a really good fit for the Jays.
That’s a funny way to spell Dodgers
Dodgers to free agents: Don’t sign with anyone unless we tell you we aren’t interested.
Beauty!
I was hoping the Angels signed him – they need another big bat in their lineup.
Pete
That’s my fear.
@orange I dont want Pete, either.
Salary wise he will be fair. Losing draft pick is the major blow. But a team that drafts for mlb ready over ceiling it won’t hurt as much.
Maybe Alonso now? Move Shanuel to left and trade ward for pitching help.
Who cares?….
Fire Atkins
Congrats Jays fans!
5/115?
@YankeesBleacherCreature
A guess or the actual numbers?
It was just a guess for guaranteed dollars.
Hopefully this doesn’t make Alonso think a five year deal is coming for him.
Would you rather 3 years of Teoscar or 5 years of Santander? Asking for a friend. Very unlikely Teoscar doesnt take a 4 year deal from Toronto if offered.
5 of Teo if I’m being honest.
@Digdugler
Teo took less money to play in with the Dodgers.
I think it’s a reasonable question, but it’s really based on the context of what they need. Santander is great if they had a relatively balanced lineup and were solid on defense. He’s kind of like the power version of Luis Arraez to me. Power from both sides, but nothing else.
I think Toronto as it is currently constructed would’ve benefited more from Teoscar, honestly. I just don’t think he wanted to go anywhere but the Dodgers unless he was significantly overpaid.
I think that probably depends on how you feel about the roster. I think Teo is the better player right now but is older and maybe more of a win now player. Santander still has a few years of prime if the Jays can regroup quickly enough.
For the Jays? Santander. For any other team it is Teoscar. I think Teoscar is a better player but the Jays need a LHB. The lineup is RHB heavy and as a switch Santander fills that role. I haven’t checked Teoscar splits in awhile but with the Jays he had a heavy platoon split with him crushing LHP.
Teo but the jays need LH slug badly so Tony Taters fits them better
Congrats to him I’m glad he got signed before Bregman lol.
Glad Arte let the Angels dodge that bullet. We will probably trade for him in a few years once he totally bottoms out a la Vernon Wells.
Santander looks to receive full market value after settling for shorter term contracts had been considered an increasing possibility.
This should help solidify, checks notes, a 4th place finish in the AL East for Toronto. I see them trying to move AS like the Cubs forced Belli out soon after.
If TOR signs 1 more SP (like a #4 or 5) for 1 or 2 years and another complementary player for their offense a WC isn’t beyond reach imo.
They still need another bat, a starting pitcher and a bullpen arm or two.
Not insurmountable but not much money left
The Angels should be rebuilding not signing big free agents.
They could be spending that Jorge Soler money to make that happen.
Angels are toast. Been toast for a long time. They got payroll but make too many stupid decisions in every aspect.
Positive view they are operating now better than they have in a long time. They spend enough $ they can hang around 500 make some playoffs possibly.
More like low iq angels fan
Worst thing they could do right now is a desperation over-sign, and I’ll bet that’s exactly what they’ve done. Giving up draft picks and entering into unmovable contracts. A boomerang signing after pretending they were contenders for Sasaki.
This career mediocrity had a barely playable OBP in his age 29 season, and I’ll bet they’ve committed to him for at least 4 years.
Edit Worse than I thought. Just read on X that it’s a 5 years deal between 120-140 mil. I felt sorry for Toronto before, but it’s hard to continue feeling sorry for a team so stupid. as this. A guy who doesn’t move the needle for a last place team.
5 years at 90+ is what is being reported.
Dude, you need better sources,
>pretending they were contenders for Sasaki.
Pretending?
>Just read on X that it’s a 5 years deal between 120-140 mil
Come on.
@Best
Why? Who is he blocking? They have 3 OF with an OPS of .700 or less? They have cash to spend. They draft 7 this is not an encumberance to any other move.
Well, I am happy Santander landed on his feet!!!
Good move, and I say this a Yankees
I realize toronto is going to have to overpay to get players, but 5 years is too long. Id rather them overpay vlad as he can at least anchor the lineup. The lineup will be brutal next year if he leaves.
If Vlad leaves, Santander very likely gets dealt.
They only paid for 4 years got 5th year free.
Is that the 2-win or 6-win Vlad?
Does anyone know?
Now profar to the reds…
If it is only one year, I am on board. More than that…I wouldn’t.
I doubt he’d sign a one year after the season he had, he seemed like an all around good hitter i don’t think he’ll regress that much.
Feel bad for Tony, man.
I’m not a Jays fan, but if I was I’d like the signing because it signals that no matter what happens with Guerrero and Bichette, the organization hopes to stay competitive over the next five years.
We all know the organization hopes to stay competitive (or really after last year the task is get back to being competitive), but unfortunately they lack any sort of coherent plan to achieve that besides spending lots of money inefficiently and hoping to get super lucky.
The current management came in with a nice plan to build a sustainable long term competitive team via player development… then they completely failed at that and keep trying to paper it over with free agents and trades that take on money. Which is fine if it works, but it doesn’t for long.
One of the players i was hoping for, now the Jays need to go full bore for Bregman and another BP piece!!!
Good for Santander, bad for Toronto. We’ll see how this looks two years from now.
If he can hang on as a 2 win player in 2027 the Jays may slip the noose when someone else offers him 3/50m for his terminal decline.
Five years is an overpay but as a Mariners fan I am jealous and respect a Blue Jays ownership that is trying to make their franchise the best it can possibly be. Good luck Jays.
Not overpay. Years irrelevant. $ all that matters.
Says who? You? You righteous tool.
Most will take my track record over yours.
Track record on being a tool? Yes. Most would agree.
Fortunately or maybe unfortunately most already figured out that shtick.
Phew. Was wondering who is going to backup Myles Straw.
People should really wait to hear the details before judging this deal.
I know he’s technically a switch hitter but with such a large percentage of his production coming from the left side of the plate, he’s the best left handed hitter the Jays have had in many, many, many years.
I like this signing for both sides.
People complain when teams don’t try and then criticize them when they do try so Jays are damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
He mashes from both sides. He had over 7% HR rate against lefties and righties last year, over 5% against both for his career. Batting average not great against either tho
Do you really not realize those are two different groups of people?
Alright.
The Jays get a thumper for the clean-up spot and to be the DH/OF.
Still need another bat, ideally a lead-off hitter for left field (whether it’s Jurickson Profar, or giving Jonatan Clase an opportunity).
Still… this team is barely an 84 win team
Not terrible for a 40 homer guy. Honestly with this signing thats now a decent offseason haul for the Jays: Santander, Hoffman, traded for Gimenez and Sandlin, resigned Yimi. I think their catching more flak than is deserved. Extend Vlad and it elevates it pretty massively.
Extend Vlad and most is forgiven.
*they’re not their.
They really, really have to extend Vladdy. Countdown to the 18th is on… Shatkins needs to get it done. Time now.
The Blue Jays have an opportunity to end this off-season as one of the big winners if they go out and sign Bregman to play 3B and Sherzer for the rotation.
Springer RF
Guerrero 1B
Santander DH
Bregman 3B
Bichette SS
Giminez 2B
Kirk C
Varsho CF
Loperfido LF
Gausman
Berrios
Scherzer
Francis
Bassitt
Sounds good on paper
dont want Bregman, makes no sense. Extend Vlad instead, Ernie is more than capable at 3B.
I would rather they got Flaherty or Pivetta. Scherzer is done.
No Bregman. Get Alonso and let him and Vladdy alternate DH and 1B. Let Vladdy play 3B on days Springer DH’s.
I would also rather Alonso. Bregman has been declining and that first half last year was pretty bad.
Bregman will also cost a lot more.
They could hit 300 homers as a team w some good luck and healthy
Flaherty is a key piece……. they can easily be wild card contenders adding those 2
Anthony Santander would’ve been a fool not to take their offer. Who else would have given him five years? No other team reeks of desperation more than the Jays (speaking as a lifelong Jays fan).
Other teams would give him 5 6 7 8 years. Years don’t matter. If anything more years the better. Teams aren’t actually paying the same amount of $ for every year.
Good luck with that. To bad you will be taxed to death and health care will be a mess. Don’t get hurt Tony!
huh? what does free healthcare have to do with a 20 million dollar baseball player? He will also be in the states every week.
Yep. With that kind of cheddar, the doctors come to you on-call 24/7.
These players and agents are much smarter than you. They factor taxes into their decision. And MLB players have excellent insurance so no need to depend on Canadian government and unless he is a Canadian citizen he probably couldn’t get that insurance I would guess. If they just gave it to anyone the migrants would just keep migrating up to Canada.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
@jimmy….What are you even talking about?! Maybe stop relying on crap you hear online and actually look into healthcare for professional athletes, taxes, etc., before posting nonsense and looking ridiculous while at it. I bet you think MLB players in Canada get paid in Canadian dollars, too, right?
A lot of it is deferred apparently too. That deferred money likely will not be taxed in Canada.
You sound like the kind of guy who thinks we’re buying Greenland and the Panama Canal.
I am just mad Teoscar took such a discount to go to the Dodgers.
Didn’t seem like a impressive discount to me.
I guess Toronto won’t be signing Alonso than , unless they’re trading Vlad, which would be smart on their part to do especially trading with the Mets getting a couple of prospects than they sign Alonso ?
They don’t need a dh?
good for Blue Jays. If it’s under $90 million over 5 years, nice pick up.
Finally another correct guess! It’s been awhile.
He’ll hit some homers in that ballpark. Otherwise it’s hard to get excited about a two or three WAR player who’s hardly the solution to all of Toronto’s problems. Not to mention that it’s a five-year deal for a guy on the wrong side of thirty. But the team had to do something after missing out on every free agent in baseball history.
I wonder why players going to a team like Bmore want to accept deferred money? it’s one thing to do it so they can bring in other players so you can compete, but it’s that the case here? at the end of the day, you’re allowing your money to be devalued. or I guess, if it’s deferred past his career, maybe he won’t pay Canadian taxes assuming he’ll live in the US upon retirement? Am I correct with the assumption that Canadian based players don’t pay taxes on deferred money if they move back to the states when the money is paid our? If so, then that’s the mechanism the team might need to employ in the future to nab players. maybe add in a 20% bonus increase, too. So a 5/$100 deal could be bumped to a 20% “I have to play where fee” that grows it to 5/$120 with large chunks deferred.
It’s all factored into decision. I’m sure he didn’t turn down the same contract in non deferred $.
did not expect him to get 5 years. by all accounts a great teammate. blue jays are a mess but toronto is a world class city. good for him getting long-term security
Breaking news… his plane stopped in TOR, now on the way to LA.
The Jays need to sign him BEFORE he gets on that plane to Toronto. Everyone who get on that plane first always sign elsewhere.
Almost fell out of my chair when I heard that it was not the Dodgers who signed him!!!
They already signed 2 better outfielders and have a dh.
Now they need to make a decision about 3rd.
Are they going to do nothing (typical jays)..
Or
Bringing in Alonzo and move vladdy to third.
Or
Bring in Bregman and possibly have Alonzo/vladdy doing duel duties at 1st and DH.
Makes more sense to add a LF still than a 3B. Ernie’s defense makes up for his tepid bat, Santander will be DH mostly so the biggest area of need is still outfield offence. The jays had the worst offensive outfield in the league last year if I recall and Springer is a year older now..
Clement to start until Orelvis gets the call. Power bat to go behind Santander.
When did this lunacy about putting two bad fielders into a defensive platoon at 1B become popular?
If you want worse that Alonso and Vlad at 1B, alternate them.
Fools gold. He will be traded along with Vlad.
You misspelled Dodgers…
Yeah!! Toronto signed a free agent!!
I enjoyed going to his BRef page and learning one of his nicknames is Tony Taters. The mlbtraderumors subscription paid for itself today friends.
Generic comment complaining about deferred money….. oh wait that’s right we only complain about that when the Dodgers do it. Right, right. Sorry guys! My bad!
Rule 5 draft pick to over 90 million dollar contract is impressive work.
Good for Tony Taters. Nothing but love. Hope he does great in Toronto. He’ll also be a great club house guy, so that’s an added bonus.
Thanks that’s nice to hear. We need that boost in our clubhouse
C for Toronto. What I expected it would take. Fair contract.
How’d the Dodgers miss one?
Seriously though, good for the Jays. Santander is a good power bat for their lineup
The Blue Jays are breaking baseball this is SO crazy!!!
Good on Tony!! From a Rule 5 to a 5 year contract!! Toronto is getting a good player and a really good person and clubhouse guy.
He will be missed in Baltimore. Good Luck Tony!! I
But not irreplaceable.
@ ChangedName. Nothing quite like pigeonholing people certain age groups. The initial comment was trolling, and then you top it with your updated opinion. Good work, Junior.
Getting Trump in office is already benefitting Canada! /s
Hallelujah!
Good for the Jays but don’t fool yourself, their fans are pretty fickle. Had access to seasons tickets for 10 years. Packed when winning, extremely empty when not. More so than most places.
Good. The front office should feel pressure to build a winning team then.
Good for them
Seems like a terrible signing.
His recent performance raises concerns about the sustainability of his production, making the Blue Jays’ $92.5M investment risky. His career-high 44 home runs in 2024 is likely an outlier, with metrics such as HR/FB rate, BABIP, and xStats suggesting potential regression. While his walk rate has improved, his strikeout tendencies, high chase rates, and below-average contact skills could lead to declining offensive output, especially as he ages.
Defensively, Santander’s -13 Outs Above Average (OAA) and -3 Defensive Runs Saved (DRS) highlight his below-average value in the field. Combined with his limited speed and switch-hitter splits, his contributions are heavily reliant on maintaining elite power numbers, which are difficult to sustain long-term.
Given his inconsistent on-base skills and the likelihood of decline, the Blue Jays may have overpaid for a player whose value might not match the financial commitment.
Correct, but they will be bad once Vlad and Bo walk so may as well have fun this year if you arent going to extend or trade Vlad and Bo.
Really? You think his career high in HRs might be an outlier? I am so sorry that you did not post this in time to dissuade TOR from signing him! Why were you keeping this to yourself all this time!? Next you will try to tell us that Profar is not likely to repeat his season. Are you going to wait until after he signs, too?
It is extremely unlikely Profar will repeat his season given his past 10 years. Not impossible, but he shouldnt be paid as if he will repeat the year. Santander has had 3 or 4 similar seasons in a row so less risk of immediate decline.
92m in Toronto deferred $ isn’t the same as just 92m. If he got 4 80m would that be more reasonable? Because it’s probably something closer to that. Pretty much got that 5th year for free if he doesn’t opt out.
Any team in the FA market is overpaying.
Its why good organisations draft and develop.
Unfortunately, Atkins has not done it well, so he has no choice but to chase all the FA’s.
I’m fine with it. They can make one final push this season. Then Vlad, Bo and Bassitt walk, and Atkins is fired. Then they can start the rebuild.
Teams sign free agents for less than their projected worth and actual worth all the time.
@Old York Well said. Santander’s xSLG in 2024 was just .455, and the percentage of balls he squared up on was in the worst quartile of MLB. Throw in his brutally slow sprint speed and a dismal OBP and you have the hallmarks of steep decline.
It’s only his very low BABIP that gives much cause for hope.
“Any team in the FA market is overpaying” is false. It’s thoroughly understood what the $$$ per FA win is, on average. If you pay more than that, you overpaid. If less, you underpaid. If you sign Pete Alonso to a 5/$150m deal, you’re an overpaying idiot. It doesn’t matter if you fluke into his best 2% outcome and he ends up being worth it. It was still a bad signing, just like betting your house that you win the lottery with $250,000 in tickets.
The Jays can hope Santander is worth it, and if they get three years like his last three years they’ll probably think so. There are a lot of worse contracts out there.
Interesting…and a place where opt-outs kind of work. He’s a bit one-note, but (Alonso notwithstanding) the note has value. If he really has the juice in the tank to make him want to trigger an opt-out after the first three years–then Blue Jays do well-
I’m a fan of this opt out type.
True, but the problem is the Jays are already paying a steep price for a one-d slugger.
The player opt-out just adds to their cost, as in if they’re in the process of getting real upside on what from their pov appears to be a 5-year commitment, they lose a hefty chunk of that upside when Santander walks. They’re already overpaying with 5/92.5m, but add in the cost of the opt-out to the team and they’re up to 5/102.5m, at least.
That could easily end up worse than the Springer overpay, where George was good enough you could hope his decline would be fairly slow—whereas Santander has just the one skill.
Agree generally, and certainly that opt-outs are predominantly a risk and cost to the club. There’s an aspect to this that could work out for Toronto: This is Satander’s year 30 season. If he stays healthy and performs he’s likely to opt out of the last two–which would be good for Toronto under most circumstances, as those later seasons should show some decline. I do think the whole deal it is a lot for the player.
‘
It’s really not that steep of a price. With the deferred money, the present day value is only 14 million a year. That’s nothing in this day and age.
Decent value on that deal for the lefty power the Jays are getting.
Where have you gone Pete Alonsooooo …
Maybe Toronto. Bregman good option too.
What, deferrals??? Investigate the MLB! Blue Jays aren’t playing fair!!!
MLB should have structure and limitations on deferrals. They are horrible for baseball and for creating a competitive balance to the league.
Every team can defer salaries.
Mets should of gotten him…5 years but can opt out after 2 (2027) at about 93 million. Perfect substitute for Alonso… Once again , they screwed up getting winker ..
I’ll take Winker draft picks international $ and $ any day.
It does seem the NYM really value their draft picks of any kind. They are not the only team that feels this way.
Even though they can afford to play up in the LAD team salary stratosphere I think they would generally like to have a team salary below any penalty thresholds
I think NYM is trying to create a younger foundation of players sprinkled with a maybe 3 or 4 type A players which Lindor and Soto are 2.
Currently they have some B and C players and short term role players to complement. Like Nimmo, Senga, Manaea.
Kind of a Tier B team with upside and mucho resources.
Between Now, ST and the trade deadline I suspect NYM will have 4 significant subtractions and 4 additions but PHI and ATL will also make some big changes
I am not really a fan of bringing Winker back. They wanted a LH hitter and lost out on Pederson. He will platoon with Marte and DH.
Somebody is gonna get traded by end of ST Usual Suspects –
Marte, McNeil, Megill, Blackburn probably in a package.
Every team should value draft picks. And there is tiers to valuing them. I would speculate teams that know what they are doing place a value on the pick and factor it into their signing.
The Mets didn’t lose out on Pederson—they just didn’t want him at that price.
Winker provides most of that value for 1/4 the price and just missed the NL top 10 for OBP.
The Mets are an old team doing some interested water-treading while they work on getting the farm system to produce more than the very occasional 1-3 win player.
It’s not that they value picks so highly (most of those picks have a concrete value in the 5-10m range, ie not very much), it’s that when you can build a solid wildcard team—currently in the 88-92 win range—in the era of the Crapshoot Postseason, why would you go for broke by loading up on the Bregmans, Alonsos, and Santanders and saddle the team with that many more old players in steep decine once you get to 2027 and after just to bump your shot at the WS from something like 7% to 9% in 2025?
The Dodgers take pains to win their division since that almost doubles their chance of winning the World Series. The Mets are nowhere close to that level of domination unless they literally go for broke, ie build that team for 2025 and end up carrying $180m in old players by 2027, plus Soto at $51m per.
(No–Starling Marte will not be on the 2025 Mets on OD. No team platoons two players at DH who can’t (really, really shouldn’t) play the field. They’ll use the DH for 40-50 games against LHP to rotate their regulars and occasional bench guy through.
The Mets already struggle to organize their pitching staff. They aren’t using up a critical slot on Marte.
boras enjoying the atkins diet
If this was near top of page it would get massive thumbs up. But me reading and replying is better than 100 thumbs up. Excellent comment.
He signed cuz the Tigers found out Alonzo is out on NYM, and bowed out and now Alonzo will play for Detroit and move Keith back to 2nd.
So Torres will just ride bench? Makes as little sense as signing Torres in the first place. I’d rather just put Torkelson back at 1B.
Cmon man… move Torres to short.
They need one more bat to make the lineup longer, Santander is a start. But why not a Bregman or Alonso
Only the Dodgers can get everyone.
copium
Good idea. Load up on overpriced bad defenders and baserunners who don’t get on base—and ensure you sign them to long enough deals to get ALL of their decline phases.
Their payroll would be around 270MM that’s quite a lot of money to a team that probably finishes 3rd or 4th in the division. Then you have to factor in Vlad contract next year and it just seems like a waste of resources, they should have started their rebuild this year trading Bo, Vlad and anybody else of value.
As a Giants fan I’m really happy for the Jays landing a big bat. I was rooting for them to land Sasaki too after it was clear he wasn’t going to SF. Hope things turn around for them this season!
Big fan of Tony ever since Os grabbed as a rule 5, but this contract will not end well for Jays.
Guy has one season with a 3 bWAR. Every other season sub 3. ~100 million. Sheesh.
1 WAR is worth like $10M a year in theory. So he only needs to have 1.8WAR ish/year to be fine. Also, WAR is dumb. Too many years but the price isnt bad.
WAR is a terrible stat. A statnerd creation.
Dumps like Varsho have good WAR, just shows you how useless the stat is.
Varsho is a terrific defender thats why he has a high WAR. WAR is the best way to judge a players overall contributions to winning.
It ain’t perfect but it ain’t useless.
@RedFraggle The usual whining about WAR to follow because it shows TEH HRZZZ without OBP for a bad defender at a non-premium positions just aren’t particularly valuable.
What do the idjits think WAR is based on—Einstein’s field equations?
For position players it’s a combination of hitting, fielding, and baserunning. Outrageous advanced stats like BA, OBP, SLG, taking the extra base, and variations thereof.
—-Staggering overpay, in short, although Santander’s performance curve as opposed to Alonso’s steep decline in 2023 and 2024 offers fractional hope.
Desperation is a hell of a drug.
Toronto loses a pick. O’s pick one up and don’t commit ~ $100MM to a corner OF in his 30’s.
Hard to be upset. Hope he still has another couple years left in him.
Big question. Who do they DFA? Or trade?
Jays have finally signed a top FA!!!
He’ll get on a plane to Toronto, but disappear mid-flight and will be seen landing in NY after signing with the Mets.
Gotta respect the Blue Jays; they’re definitely trying. Very solid contract for both sides. Hope this works out, the Blue Jays deserve it.
Great pickup. Now add Alonso or Bregman and really beef up the lineup. Then get Vladdy signed to the extension he wants.
I love this move so much.
5 years? For a guy that is arguably a DH? On the bright side, it helps my contest score.
Now there is deferred money??? Everyone start clutching their pearls!!!
Watch out Yankees. Blue Jays not going to roll over and play possum in 2025.
This is the new normal:
5 years/$92.5M but $13.5M upfront and $35M on the back end so annual cost over the real time life of the contract is only $8.8M a year annually for the Blue Jays from 2025-2029.
The Dodgers won. This is the new normal. Watch virtually every team do this going forward.
Players have learned and teams have learned- lower real annual costs are way more manageable, players would rather continue to get paid a third of their “annual salary” for decades rather than all of it over a few short years- it prevents them from going broke, it feels good to get a paycheck and the lifetime cost to the team gets progressively lower over time.
We used to see 6 years/$106M deals with $3.5M signing bonus, $10M the first year, $12.5M, $12.5M, $20M, $20.375M, $22.275M and a $4M buyout or whatever over the life of the contract
That was the old way of structuring these deals.
Clearly, now the more standard structure is going to be 6 years/$106M with a $15M signing bonus, $7.5M annually with a $4M buyout on an option and $46M paid out in annual $4.6M installments for an additional 10 years.
This is the new normal.
And maybe there’s nothing wrong with that? Maybe the Dodgers were ahead of the curve on this?
The Mets started this years ago with Bonilla I believe.
I mean, Bobby Bonilla Day is a time honored tradition. $1.19M bay-bay! But alas, it’s really not the same.
That was a unique circumstance and a really poor business decision for the then-Mets ownership and a brilliant move by Bonilla that had nothing to do with real time contract structure- I believe that Chris “Crush” Davis received his own version of the Bobby Bonilla deal when the Orioles wanted/needed to dump him early in his contract and didn’t want to be stuck paying him $23M per season or whatever to not play for them anymore.
What the Nats did first, followed more recently by the Dodgers and now the Blue Jays with Santander is a different beast entirely, because they structure these deals in this manner upfront with the whole thing fully mapped out in advance, not trying to salvage anything.
Think about it this way: The new normal is “we are paying you $100M over 15 years for you to play for us for 5 years and we don’t want to have to spend more than $8M a year to accomplish that” versus the old reason for this, which amounted to something like “we owe you $25M a year for the next five years and you are clearly gassed as a ball player and that money is guaranteed, so we’d like to re-structure the contract and stretch the money out over 25 or 30 years so that you do technically get paid, but you are not a financial albatross for us while you are not playing or producing for this club.”
Also the Mets did this for ridiculous reasons, purely not wanting to pay Bonilla $5.9M for one year in 2000 ($10.75M today in real inflated dollars or likely closer to $17M in modern baseball salary equivalent)
They could have just released Bonilla, weathered a sunk cost of an extra $5.9M and been done with it.
What teams are doing nowadays is trying to build *super* expensive clubs that should cost them like $400M per season on paper, but structure the larger contracts so that they’re actually only spending like $300M per year in cold hard cash, etc.
Very different reasoning and circumstances.
I absolutely hate deferrals in contracts. They need to be removed in the next CBA
Honestly just curious…why? why if everyone can do it, why does it bother you? No trolling, just curious.
Because I don’t like the idea of teams being able to sign free agents and kick the can down the road as far as paying them. If you sign someone to a deal in a league without a salary cap, you should have to pay them what the yearly salary should be per the contract. A 10 year 500m deal should be spread out over the 10 years. Not 10 years 500m over the next 20 years.
Is it rational? Probably not. But it just rubs me the wrong way.
You realize that teams have been using deferrals for a long time already right? The year the nationals won I think the majority of Scherzer’s contract was deferred. Were you crying about it then? Or did you just start crying about now that the Dodgers made it more famous? Pretty much every major FA contract this winter including the ones with the Mets and many other teams are using deferrals. Time to get over it. Don’t worry though I’m sure you’ll find something else to be upset about in no time at all.
You need to get laid.
I would like to see the amount of $ that can be deferred be limited. Have to be negotiated in the CBA.
Just seems if taken to extremes it hurts overall ability for most teams to be competitive. I realize no one cares what I think. Maybe no more than 40% of $ can be deferred plus a total amount per team.
Probably only something a REAL commissioner looking out for the best long term interests of the league with independent authority could convince both sides to accept.
Another one who doesn’t understand what deferred money is.
Sigh.
That’s a dumb comment speak for yourself I was just saying too much deferred money is bad for the game. The problem is your lack of reading comprehension genuis
A concept such as the letter and the spirit of an agreement or law
I was just saying too much deferred money is bad for the game.
===========================
But you never explain why deferred money is bad for the game. Social Security and 401k’s are both forms of deferred compensation. If my boss told me “I’ll give you a 30% extension bonus, but I will pay it out over the next five years with 5% interest”, I’d have no problem with it.
Nor should anyone else.
Teams have been doing this for years, everyone has fun with the Bobby Bonilla deal not realizing that there are many others.
The Nationals are a key one to look at when they started paying Max Scherzer $15 million a year from 2022-2028 in deferred payments and will also be paying deferred money to Stephen Strasburg, Patrick Corbin, and Rafael Soriano during that time.
The Red Sox are actually still paying Manny in deferrals
BJs never should have walked away from an all-offensive team approach; they are a far cry from the day of Bautista, Donaldson, Collabello, Encarnacion, Hernandez. Now Vladdy will leave because he has no friends to speak Spanish to in that clubhouse.
Dude…
Santander is from Venezuela
Vlad was actually born in Canada. And there are 10 guys on the 40 that were born in Spanish-speaking countries.
Anybody who signs with a team other than the Dodgers should be given a 20 million signing bonus.
Salary caps are legit
Meh. This isn’t the difference maker for Toronto. This is the front office scrambling to save their jobs. They should’ve just blown it up.
It will be more of a difference maker if they lose jr
finally jesus christ, now lets get bregman or Pete Alonso plssssss
You deserve both.
I really wish we could get Bregman, Profar, Flaherty, Scherzer, Pivetta and Arenado traded in the next week.
Rumblings MIN might do something.
I think they should keep P. Lopez and Pa ddock and build some depth to stabilize a talented but too often injured offense.
MIA has to add like 40M in payroll just to reach like the Athletics level. I don’t see how that is happening. ???
Marlins aren’t under MLBPA’s scrutiny yet so they don’t need to spend. The league would’ve vetoed the Luzardo trade without a firm commitment to add payroll otherwise.
Speaking of solid outfielders. Braves should pursue profar, create some flexibility with that lineup.
Solid hitter
If you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em.
This feels like a contract the mariners could easily fit into their budget if their owners weren’t the biggest scamming cheapskates since John Fisher and Bob Nutting
Meanwhile..in Boston ownership is busy preparing to bid on the Celtics..
That’s a relief. One less mistake out there for my Red Sox to sign. Now Detroit, please go sign Bregman. Just need someone else to trade for Arenado & I can breathe a bit easier.
Probably the Orioles last chance at a lineup upgrade just passed. I don’t think the O’s will hit much against the upgraded pitching in the AL East.
The Orioles already upgraded the lineup.
Their lineup is worse. They lost their best power hitter and replaced him with an injury prone platoon player.
Simple minded answer is to say the O’s lineup is worse.
Dig in and realize Kjerstad has all of the same tools as Tony & O’Neill rakes lefties. Santander had a huge gap between his xwoba and WOBA.
I doubt he ever hits 40 HRs again. I’d guess he goes for 25-30 this year.
The lineup needed significant upgrading against lefties and O’Neill accomplishes that with aplomb, and Kjerstad will be used to protect him against the tougher righties out there, plus O’Neill should be an upgrade defensively over Santander.
I’d be pretty shocked if the combo of O’Neill and Kjerstad doesn’t outperform Santander next year.
Could see that too. The deal will be good for the Jays if they get 3 years of 2022-2023 Santander.
Can he do that into his 30’s? We’ll see. But I don’t think you’ll ever see his 2024 numbers repeat. Kjerstad/Oneill is a perfectly suitable replacement. Upside there to outperform as early as next year.
Over paid avg at best player
Can’t wait for MLB Trade Rumor story on who else was in on Santander.
Gonna miss the guy, he was the pulse and essentially the personality of our team but I’m glad he got paid. He can be a bit streaky, but when he’s hot he’s blazing and he’s got the personality to let you know when he’s on. Jays fans will love him guarantee that. Also 150+ games the past three years which can’t be understated in todays game where folks are getting injured so so much. Doesn’t strike out too excessively but also not prone to walking a lot either. He’s looking to do damage and I think both him and Vlad Jr. will benefit from the other’s presence.
Meanwhile the SS Mariner is still avoiding UBoats in the Atlantic
Ugh. 5/92.5m for a defensively inept 2-3 win slugger turning 30 with a line of .235/308/506 and an xSLG of .455. Squared UP in the 22nd worst percentile ??
As slow an OFer as exists in MLB, bottom quarter by percentile of all OFers—slower even than DJ Stewart.
But TEH HRZZZ1!1!1!
If you’re a Jays fan who likes this deal I wish Pete Alonso on you, as that’s who Santander’s going to be in 2025.
Congrats Jays fans I hope he does well for you guys! Hopefully Vladdy ends signing an extension.
Still need another power bat and a lead off type.
Say what you want about the Dodgers but they’ve allowed Soto, Burnes and now Santandar to sign elsewhere. Benevolence should be appreciated.
Where were they going to play those guy’s
This also gives them an option to transition Santander to 1b if Vladdy decides to leave the org. Good signing for them.
Excellent article.
All other teams had a sigh of relief. Outside of HRs, he brings nothing to the table. Therefore, Toronto overcommitted to a one-sided player, and will be penalized by draft pick compensation.
Sad to see Tony Taters go but happy that he got paid. It would have been cool if we could have kept him but he’s not a good long-term investment and it’s time to transition to Kjerstad, so it had to be this way.
Thanks for pick, Blue Jays!
He certainly didn’t help Pete’s cause. Now I’m wondering if Pete is worth $20M per.
16 minutes ago? LMFAO!
Nice to see us acting as a big spender. Getting that tax hit down to 14 million is amazing.
After seeing what the Blue Jays ran out to LF last season, I am liking this signing for them. If Santander produces at the average of his last 3 seasons, that is a 2 WAR improvement for the Blue Jays. It also adds 20 HR or so to a squad whose HR output was the lowest in the AL. The deal also ends with his age 34 season, so none of the typical deep regression years from 36 and on.
If they go after Alonso as well, I wonder what they can get for Guerrero in trade?
Santander is a RF too. Below average there but still playable. I don’t know that going to LF is going to work out. Sure didn’t for Juan Soto.
This is the type of deal the jays were always truly trying to land. I honestly believe they just pretended to be in every other market to appease their fans to say “we’re trying” but not really.
This is a fine move for them but they have so much more they need to do. Extend valdy prob bo also, although after last season I get why you’d be a little nervous there. They need to add other pieces also,
Wow, 4/&70MM is a really nice get for the Jays. Pairing Santander with Vlad Jr. is gonna be fun to watch.
Edit: typos in my post, should have read “5/$70MM”
At the end of the day, Santander is a wealthier man’s Conforto. Certainly not a bad thing, but nothing that’s going to put them much closer to the Yankees, Orioles, or even Red Sox (especially if they land Bregman.)
Bregman is another javy baez waiting to happen.
Santander has stayed healthier than Conforto.
sloppy seconds for the Jays again
I cannot believe a team, actually gave him a 5 year contract. That’s absolutely ridiculous.