The Blue Jays announced that they have acquired outfielder Myles Straw, cash, and 2025 international bonus pool space from the Guardians. Cleveland receives a player to be named later or cash in return. Per Ben Nicholson-Smith and Shi Davidi of Sportsnet, the Jays are adding $2MM of pool space in the deal. Davidi had reported earlier that the Jays were looking to add pool space. Nicholson-Smith and Davidi further report that Cleveland is covering $3.75MM of the money that is still owed to Straw. Per Zack Meisel of The Athletic, that will be $1MM in both 2025 and 2026, followed by $1.75MM after that.
With the international pool space, it’s fair to wonder about the Jays and their connection to Japanese right-hander Roki Sasaki. He has to choose his next club in less than a week and is subject to the international bonus pool signing rules. It has been reported that the Jays are one of three finalists for his services, alongside the Dodgers and Padres. Nicholson-Smith and Davidi both caution that this deal does not mean Sasaki has made a decision, rather that the Jays are being prepared for the possibility of Sasaki choosing them. It’s possible that the Padres view themselves as now out of the running, as they have reportedly started finalizing deals with other international amateurs, something they had put on hold while waiting for more info.
Unlike most free agents, Sasaki isn’t going to sign with the club that can offer him the most money. Since he is coming over to North America prior to his 25th birthday, having recently turned 23, he is considered an amateur under MLB’s rules. As such, he is subject to the league’s bonus pool system. Under this system, each team gets a set amount of money to spend on international amateurs each year. As laid out by Ben Badler of Baseball America, the 2025 pools are each between $5-8MM. Broadly speaking, the smaller-market clubs get a bit more than the bigger clubs. A club can also lower its pool amount by signing a player that rejected a qualifying offer.
Teams can trade their bonus pool space with each other, in increments of $250K, but a team can’t increase its initial allotment by more than 60%. As such, Sasaki won’t be able to sign for more than a few million bucks. There will also be a posting fee owed to the Chiba Lotte Marines, his Nippon Professional Baseball club, though that will also be minimal. If money were his primary motivation, he likely would stayed in Japan until he turned 25. That’s what Yoshinobu Yamamoto did, which allowed him to secure a $325MM deal from the Dodgers.
Sasaki is therefore presumably choosing his next clubs based on other factors. He and his agent Joel Wolfe have been fairly cagey about what those factors might be, leaving baseball fans to speculate. It has been suggested that geography, a team’s pitching development reputation and/or long-term competitive outlook are possible factors, though those are mostly guesses.
Though money won’t be the main factor, it’s possible that Sasaki and his reps would like a large bonus, simply out of respect and as a reflection of his status. Sasaki is far more coveted than even the top international amateurs from any other year. The vast majority of signees in the pool system are 16-year-olds from Latin America who are years away from contributing and come with the standard uncertainties that are present with even the best prospects. The best of those guys can sometimes get bonuses of $5MM or more. The Mets gave Elian Peña $5MM this week, the top bonus for an international signing of this year so far.
Sasaki, on the other hand, is viewed as a plug-and-play ace. He already has four years of experience in Japan, having posted a 2.10 earned run average in that time. Though he doesn’t have the ability to ask for Yamamoto money, perhaps he and his reps want to at least get to something in the $6-10MM range so that he at least gets the symbolic victory of being the top bonus of his class.
The Jays started with a pool of $6,261,600. The Dodgers had their pool dropped by $1MM for signing Shohei Ohtani, since he rejected a qualifying offer and they were a competitive balance tax payor in 2023, winding up at $5,146,200. Since the Jays are allowed to increase their pool by 60%, they can theoretically get that number as high as $10,018,560. This deal gets them up to $8,261,600.
In a normal year, all 30 MLB clubs would announced most of their signings on the first day of the international signing period on January 15. That’s because most of these bonuses have been negotiated years in advance. However, Sasaki’s presence has thrown a wrench into the normal operation of things. The Jays, Dodgers and Padres have reportedly been holding off on finalizing their international signings as they await Sasaki’s decision. His posting window closes January 23, so resolution will have to come soon. As mentioned, the Padres are reportedly going to start finalizing some of their international agreements. That doesn’t mean they are definitely out on Sasaki but is obviously a different approach to what the Jays are doing now.
Time will tell whether this extra pool space can help the Jays at all in signing Sasaki, but it suggests they still view it as a possibility. If Sasaki ends up signing elsewhere, they could perhaps try to trade some of that pool space later or use it in a different way. The Sasaki situation has also thrown a few other things into disarray, as a few prospects that were committed to the Dodgers ultimately pivoted to sign elsewhere, not wanting to wait around. Darell Morel, Oscar Patiño and Teilon Serrano each walked away from the Dodgers to sign with the Pirates, White Sox and Twins, respectively. As this game of musical chairs plays out, it’s possible that there will be some interesting ways to use pool space, even without Sasaki.
To get that extra pool space, the Jays are taking on the majority of Straw’s deal. He signed an extension with the Guardians early in 2022 and still has a few years to go on it. He will make $6MM this year and $7MM in 2026. There are then club options for 2027 and 2028, though they are highly unlikely to be picked up at this point. It seems fair to expect the Jays to eventually go with the $1.75MM buyout on Straw’s $8MM club option. As mentioned up top, the Guardians are sending $1MM to help with the 2025 salary and again in 2026, with a third payment that matches the buyout on the option.
The reason that the option seems so unlikely to be picked up is that Straw’s performance dropped up almost immediately after he signed the extension. An elite defender and runner, Straw had passable offense for a while but fell off a cliff. Through the end of 2021, he had a .265/.343/.341 batting line and 94 wRC+. But in the past three years, that line has been a dismal .229/.295/.284, which translates to a 67 wRC+. He also hit .240/.321/.329 in Triple-A last year for a wRC+ of 72.
His previous level of offense was still subpar but it made him a useful player when combined with his glovework and baserunning. FanGraphs considered him to be worth 3.0 wins above replacement in 2021, for instance. But the dropoff at the plate made Straw unrosterable, so the Guardians have outrighted him off their 40-man multiple times.
Since Straw has more than three years of service time, he can reject an outright assignment and elect free agency. But since his service clock is still short of five years, heading to the open market would mean forfeiting what’s left of his contract. He wasn’t on their roster at the time of the trade and therefore won’t have a spot with the Jays.
Though it’s mostly a salary dump, it’s possible the Jays could envision a path to Straw helping their big league team. Daulton Varsho is the club’s primary center fielder but he is recovering from shoulder surgery and might miss Opening Day. If that comes to pass, it’s possible Straw could help give the Jays a glove-first cover option until Varsho is ready, perhaps in a fourth outfielder role. Straw’s service time count is currently at four years and 125 days. A new “year” rolls over at 172 days, meaning Straw is 47 shy of the five-year mark. That makes it possible for the Jays to roster Straw for a few weeks and send him back off the roster again, knowing that he will clear waivers and accept an outright assignment.
For the Guardians, this is the second time this offseason that they have dumped a notable contract on the Jays. Just over a month ago, the Guards sent Andrés Giménez and Nick Sandlin to Toronto in exchange for Spencer Horwitz and Nick Mitchell, with Horwitz later flipped to the Pirates. Giménez is still guaranteed $97.5MM over the five years left on his extension.
Between Giménez and Straw, the Guards have sent $113MM of future payroll commitments north of the border. They did lose a useful player in Giménez but likely feel they have plenty of internal infield options to make up for his absence. They also lost Sandlin but they had the best bullpen in the league in 2024 and should have a strong relief corps without him. Straw wasn’t really in their plans. In short, they probably feel like the roster isn’t much worse, with now a great change in their financial picture.
Sacrificing $2MM of pool space will limit what they can do in that arena, but it’s theoretically possible that they can make up for that somewhat with the overall improvement in their ability to spend. Looking at the RosterResource page, they now have very few commitments apart from the José Ramírez deal.
Whether they will actually use that to upgrade the major league team or not is a fair question. The club’s broadcast deal with Diamond Sports Group, now known as Main Street Sports, has fallen apart. The Guards are now set to go into 2025 with MLB handling their broadcasts, which will almost certainly lead to less revenue coming in. On the other hand, they just engineered a surprise division win in 2024 and could have put some extra playoff revenue in the bank. RosterResource currently projects them for a payroll of about $91MM this year, which is a bit below the $98MM Opening Day figure that Cot’s Baseball Contracts gave them a year ago.
For the Jays, the Straw deal nudges their payroll up but only slightly. They reportedly made a strong offer to Corbin Burnes a few weeks ago, which was likely north of $30MM annually. He ultimately signed with the Diamondbacks for $210MM over six years, an average annual value of $35MM, though there are deferrals that knock those number down in terms of net present value. Still, the Jays were probably at least in that range. They have since added Jeff Hoffman, a three-year, $33MM deal with an AAV of $11MM. Straw’s deal will add another few million but perhaps there’s still some powder dry. The club has been tied to most of the top free agents still available, including Alex Bregman, Pete Alonso, Jack Flaherty, Anthony Santander and Nick Pivetta.
Jbigz12
Sasaki to Toronto.
horaceallen
Very interesting indeed.
tigers182
It would be cool to see a team outside of NY or LA sign a coveted player for once.
thebudlightknight
So the Padres don’t exist?
Gwynning
Always the bridesmaid, never the bride…
Or something masculinely akin to that.
CarverAndrews
SD Padres, starring in 27 Cassocks…
tigers182
I knew somebody would take this out of context so they could be offended.
Gwynning
lol
YaGottaBelieveAgain
It’s just good to be nominated.
Congratulations to all the winners regardless of your shameless attempts to curry favor.
Oh Sorry Is this the Oscars, Golden Globes thread correct?
Mr Magoo error –
Time for a new prescription Argh!
Apologies, (cough)
Is he on Tik Tok? Nevermind.
deweybelongsinthehall
San Diego just started signing others assumedly meaning they realize their out
Fever Pitch Guy
Ya – He moved from Tik Tok to Red Note.
Longtimecoming
Probably. They can still trade for that money back and get back to a 6 mil offer – more than LAD has at the moment – if that matters to him.
Just saying, signing 2 guys for 3 mil, while can be a sign, doesn’t mean they are out for sure.
It may be that these guys were walking and they had to just make a business decision while in limbo as opposed to he told they are out for sure.
Now, they may have to make a trade to get 3 mil back though to stay in.
We will all know the team soon. Will never know the twists and turns of his thought process.
Ballstothewall
Padres have started signing kids and their money is vastly reduced
runningwithnailclippers
No judgement here. Everyone is welcome. 🙂
Dodgerfan34
No. You just made the comment hoping somebody would so you could play the victim. Very popular these days. Well playe sir.
BrianS
it was reported this morning on SI.com that the Padres were told they were out.
Longtimecoming
Balls – read above. They can trade for they mo way right back (and more) and still exceed LAD current amount.
Longtimecoming
Then Roki is def on a plane to Toronto.
Ballstothewall
They can but if you read the reports Padres are reportedly out.
Skeptical
@Gwynning, See Bob Seeger”s “Beautiful Loser”, great song.
Dock_Elvis
Gwynning…The Jays have been the bridesmaid so many times they’re to the point of giving into a Boras and catching an STD. Just a single Canadian woman with 3 or 4 ugly kids that are eating her out of house and home in a few years. I’m watching every free agent for Kool aid stains around their mouth.
Gwynning
They may be divorced from the title, but at least the Jays can polish a ring or two… I’ll settle for one in my life. Ha
Gwynning
Thanks Skepz, needed some Seger just now. Good song!
friesTO
They are no longer in the running, Sasaki’s team has dropped them from contention
Never Remember
It has happened hundreds of times just in past ten years so get over yourself and stop making crap up.
desertball
Yeah but it FEELS tingly in my happy places when LA & NY lose. Those doodyheads
Unclemike1526
Ahhhh that’s so cute! They still think they have a shot.
BrianS
kinda cute you think you know what he is going to do
Flyby
corbin burnes and the the diamondbacks think you are uncool
bruinlife33
Let’s hope
MysteryWhiteBoy13
I hope so, but I’d be less surprised if this means the Jays are working on trying to sign some Dodger international prospects that will be in limbo, rather than it meaning they are getting Sasaki
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I am revising my odds:
Dodgers 67%
Padres 15%
Blue Jays 10%
Rest of MLB teams 3%
He stays in Japan 5%
By the way, A’s just announced player jerseys will have a sleeve patch with a picture of a Sacramento bridge and the word Sacramento under it. They are trying to straddle the fence to be called the Sacramento A’s but not completely.
CarverAndrews
A Bridge Too Far…
JackStrawb
The Giminez deal probably the most underrated deal and steal of the offseason.
He’s put up 90% of Lindor’s value 2022-2024, 16.7 bWAR in those 3 seasons, and the Jays got him for a 27 yo 1Bman with little time in the majors and a 20 yo lottery ticket, a power-hitting corner OFer with a good college pedigree but all of 103 PA and .816 OPS in A ball.
Unlike with Lindor and the Mets, though, the Jays get Giminez on an extension that doesn’t take them through the entirety of his decline phase, only through his age 30 season with a $23m option for age 31.
The Jays pick up a 4-7 WAR platinum glove 2Bman on a 5/97m plus team option deal and send back not only no top 100 prospects, but nobody at a premium position. You have to be extremely high on Spencer Horwitz and his 1.5 bWAR in the majors through age 26 to think the Guardians didn’t get fleeced on this one.
Why did they let Giminez go so cheaply, and why isn’t Toronto getting any plaudits for scooping 28 other teams? This one was a coup. In FA, turning 26 in 2025, Giminez would be in line for at least $300 million.
2022-2024, bWAR, age in 2025:
:
Giminez, 16.7, 26
Vlad Jr., 12.2, 26, 27 as a FA
Soto, 18.9, 26
Lindor 18.5, 31
Avory
OMG. More nonsense from $$/WAR adherents. Are you a player agent? Good god, man, Andres Gimenez cast on the free agent market now wouldn’t get anywhere near his current deal, much less if he were in a market where ALL players were free agents at the same time. Ludicrous assessment.
DanzigInTheDark
Perhaps Cleveland bailed because they didn’t want to pay that much money for a guy whose bat has trended down the past two years.
It’s interesting you specify 2022-2024 for Gimenez, because it leaves out his middling 2021 year with them and includes his one, to date, outlier season. In 2023/24, he combined for a 90 OPS+ with a higher defensive WAR than offensive. When you take out that crazy 2022 season that looks more and more like a fluke, you’re left with a mediocre bat and an excellent glove at a non-premium position – I could see a reason why a team might want to not deal with the remaining 5/$97M on that deal.
Avory
No one enjoyed watching Andres play defense more than I did. His cutoffs/relay throws to home were alone worth the price of admission, they were so incredible. Cleveland will miss his defense terribly. But his approach at the plate is so awful, and I’m now convinced it will not improve. Despite quick hands, good contact skills, and unappreciated raw power, Andres simply does not have the ability to read pitches sufficiently well enough to be a league average hitter. Which is a shame, because even a modicum of on-base ability would make him valuable, given his elite speed and base-stealing ability on top of that glove. Add it up and he’s a frustrating, disappointing player who simply isn’t going to be worth anywhere near what his contract will be paying him. Toronto simply can afford the deficit more than Cleveland can.
DarrenDreifortsContract
Sasaki’s career wasted in Toronto.
GASoxFan
Now if every other team would refuse to trade LAD any intl bonus money….
Would Sasaki believe in a collusion? Would he think it disrespect from the dodgers in not being willing to give up what it takes to get it done?
Or, if nothing else, give $250k for each top prospect in the LA farm, starting with #1 and working down.
How badly would they want him?
PrincessYuki
Only thing that makes sense at this point.
TAKERDBACKS
I remember thinking he will be a solid player. Never know in baseball
Fever Pitch Guy
Taker – Straw is what Rafaela is on course to be.
Red Sox fans hope not however.
Misty Moobs
Rafaela will be a perennial all star and platinum glove winner in center field and if he becomes a great hitter will be a first ballot hall of famer
runningwithnailclippers
Don’t forget he will also get a movie made about his life and times.
DerekBellsMoistMoustache
He’s already a first ballot player. Imagine if he becomes a great manager too, while he’s playing! They’ll waive the waiting period!
Fever Pitch Guy
run – They’ve already begun production of the movie, tentatively titled: “Rafaela: I Survived A Vicious Attack By My Gold Chains”..
Say Hey Now Kid
Plus he will play himself and win an Oscar
WCSoxFan
This may seem true on a surface level (sub-par bat, great defender, tremendous positional flexibility, plus speed) but their offensive issues are quite different.
Shaw has had better than league average walk rates and strikeout rates (9.4%; 17.7%) while Rafaela struggles in both areas (2.9%; 27.1%). Shaw’s issue has always been that he couldn’t impact the baseball (career best .076 iso and 26.4% hardhit%) but Rafaela doesn’t have this problems (.143 iso and 36.7 hardhit% in 2024). Or to put it more simply: Rafaela already has almost 3x the home runs (17 to 6) in one-third of the plate appearances (660 to 1980).
Shaw was able to max-out his physical talent by the age of 25 but Rafaela is uber talented, we just don’t know if he’ll be able to use that talent or remain passable offensively due to his defense. The floor and ceiling are higher on Rafaela. Also helps that Rafaela’s contract is only guaranteed through his age 30 season.
backmeupvito
It’s happening
Fever Pitch Guy
back – I met Rerun many years ago ….. oh wait a minute, you wrote “it’s” not “what’s” …. never mind. Haha!
JackStrawb
That’s what she…. Sorry, wrong thread.
bhd360
….DON’T PLAY WITH ME ROSS
ROKIIIIIIIIII
Ann Porkins
Please mean the Dodgers don’t get Sasaki.
Please mean the Dodgers don’t get Sasaki.
Please mean the Dodgers don’t get Sasaki.
Please mean the Dodgers don’t get Sasaki.
nukeg
MLB better hope this means the Dodgers don’t get Sasaki. I know a lot of casual fans that are tired of the Dodgers dominating the talent grab. Dodger fatigue.
BlueSkies_LA
Who is MLB, and why would they hope this?
jamesryu14
Hmm maybe there is still hope for Jays.
Fever Pitch Guy
james – Yep, that’s what I said the other day. If the Jays were out on Roki, he would have eliminated them already.
Predictions are kinda useless when none of us here have a clue about what Roki is thinking. Best to just wait it out until he makes the announcement.
Rexhudler86
@FPG. Looking like he’s going to the jays. Was saying it would take around 8-9 to get him since that’s about what skenes got for his bonus. I don’t think jays had any players in the top 50 for international signings. Doesn’t make sense unless they flip it to the dodgers.
Fever Pitch Guy
Rex – Yep this transaction sure makes it seem like it. I’m happy for the Jays, looking forward to seeing Roki pitch at Fenway a couple times a year.
TheBoatmen
They have a verbal with #22 Cris Polanco. I might have messed the name up.
bullred
Fever Pitch Guy
Yeah, I think this is just a chess move by the Jays. Have at least something better than the Dodgers. They now have more money available. Roki doesn’t seem to care as much about the money so will probably still take the LA offer. Gives the Jays FO something to dangle to their fans that they tried. That’s my guess.
Rexhudler86
@bullred. Everyone says he doesn’t care about money doesn’t understand. His agent has a number for the bonus and it starts at a 8. Dodgers can get around that, but jays can get a extra million on the dodgers because of the tiers. It’s looks like the jays complied with his number. They didn’t get a extra 2 million to sign international free agents.
BrianS
doubt they would take on $10million in a bad contract just to ‘show their fans they tried’. There has to be some kind of plan, if not Sasaki then maybe scoop the players the Dodgers would not be able to sign now?
Rexhudler86
@brian. Exactly its not a smokescreen, and dodgers already lost one to pirates. It’s already a done deal the dodgers can match the jays or come close, but the blue jays can add a little more if they needed too. Plus It would’ve happened in the deal. This means sasaki said I’m signing just need this number.
bullred
Great if it happens, but I don’t see it happening.
bullred
Rexhudler86
People understand fine. If you can wait a bit and sign for a couple hundred million dollars but instead choose to sign early at single digit millions it easy easy to see why people feel he doesn’t care as much about the money.
GriffeyJrFan
Couldn’t this be Toronto hedging their bet. If they don’t get Sasaki couldn’t they use the extra money to pick up the the players that didn’t get signed because the dodgers or padres signed Sasaki and have no money left for players that they originally committed too. Both the Dodgers and Padres have done well with international talent lately.
jimmertee
@FeverPitchGuy some us do have clue what Roki is thinking. Some of it is public. Roki will do all he can to get the Dodgers up to the best deal whether it be acquiring more bonus pool money or a handshake deal [and yes handshake deals are real in MLB].
Fever Pitch Guy
jim – I guess I have trust issues. Haha!
All these guys (especially agents and teams) use the media for posturing. They won’t say so-and-so is my top preference, if they do then they lose leverage.
It’s like buying a house, if you really want a particular house you aren’t gonna make that known because then they will try to get you to pay more for it.
Everything with a grain of salt.
James Midway
He’s on a plane
BrianCashmansBurner
I’m surprised I had to scroll this far down for a plane joke. Poor Toronto.
elgrandeuno
Yup just left LAX heading to Glendale AZ and visit camelback ranch !!!!!
solaris602
A small crowd of Jays fans are gathering at the airport. This is strictly confidential, so don’t tell anyone
BlueSkies_LA
Nonsense. He was just spotted on La Brea eating a hotdog at Pink’s.
sacball
I’ll never understand the fascination with Pink’s, this coming from an ex-resident turned somewhat tourist..
BlueSkies_LA
No fascination, it’s just a joke.
Old York
Jays doubling down on more defense and no offense.
bigdaddyt
Can straw still play SS as maybe he is gonna be Bo insurance for the sell off
Old York
@bigdaddyt
He didn’t play any SS the past 3 seasons so if he does, I guess it would be a Mookie Betts situation?
Dustyslambchops23
They have gimenez and clement
bigdaddyt
Who will already be playing 2nd and 3rd. Barger and Schneider can also play a little infield but it’s still not an inspiring mix of players
Dustyslambchops23
Wagner would be playing well before straw
bigdaddyt
Right forgot about wags
Os1995
Jays took on a bad contract to get bonus pool money for Roki. If they dont sign Roki this will look really bad.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
Or they will pivot and use the money to sign other international free agents. Either way they took a bad contract to get a starting pitcher or fill the minor league system
JackStrawb
Os1995 Not even that bad a contract given Straw’s just one year removed from a 1.1 WAR season and he’s making 6-7m each over the next two years, with cheap team options for the two years following.
Is he probably worth it? No. He’s turning 30, the age at which glove-first CFers begin their long journey through a half dozen minor league systems… but the Jays have time to see if Straw can turn it around given he’s still running at 29+ fps.
Ducey
Yeah, Straw is Atkins’ prototype player. Short, walks a lot, can’t hit, and can play multiple positions/ GG defense.
Probably has some maths that tells him Straw is just about the break out offensively.
The Jays still will need a big bat.
Evan Siggson
O man, I feel for Toronto if they miss out on their Japanese star two years in a row
Gwynning
Go get ‘im, Jays! I mean, if we can’t have him…
jdgoat
I feel bad for all 29 other fanbases. We’re just hanging up all the team Gold Glove award banners. How do we have it so good.
Gwynning
Twinning!
Butter Biscuits
Taking 15 million in myles straw contract is a hard bargain to pass up for the guardians
CKinSTL
I imagine that Cleveland is still covering a good portion of the Straw contract.
bucsfan0004
Cleveland is quietly passing off all their bad contracts to Toronto
Col_chestbridge
I’m a Guardians fan and I don’t like this.
The Guards are usually well under their IFA pool, them having extra money there isn’t surprising. They have relationships with guys and a whole pipeline, it’s not like they do poorly there. But I see two distinct options that would have been better:
1) Use the space to bid on guys the winning team is gonna have to walk away from
2) Trade that very valuable space for a good prospect (I guess we will see about the PTBNL)
Getting rid of straw isnt
Rexhudler86
@col they got two players and rid of a bad contract for two million they wouldn’t use anyway. Hard to complain. This doesn’t mean they can’t use the money for free agency. Dodgers had a prospect walk away, and padres signed. Who’s available?
norcalguardiansfan
It is not true that the Guardians are usually well under their IFA pool. In fact, the opposite is true. They usually bang up against the 5% over limit.
It is amazing how far Guardians fans will go to talk smack against their own team. This is a good move and so was the Giminez trade.
This is also a poor year for international players, sans Sasaki. This was a perfect time to make a deal like this and get an awful contract off their books.
ohyeadam
International bonus money really comes at a premium cost
FanDan
No matter how this turns out, good job Cleveland. Offloaded a bad contract onto someone else, getting something in return and it only cost you some bonus pool space. A well run franchise. Can you give AJ Preller some training?
CKinSTL
Hard to claim a victory on this one. Cleveland acquired Straw in an absolutely terrible trade (Yainer Diaz and Phil Maton to Houston).. then gave Straw a terrible contract extension.
Now they are just making the best of a bad situation in offloading a portion of that bad contract. I would think that Cleveland is still eating a majority of the contract for Straw.
NickTheDev
3.75 million spread over 3 years. Toronto is taking most of it.
101reklaw
Do you guys even read the article? Guards are sending just $3.75 mil toward Straws contract to the Jays. Not a majority. Cleveland dumped quite a chuck of salary. And Toronto sucked it up.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
You know people comment before the articles are updated with new information. Quite obviously this was not in the original article
JackStrawb
There’s an article?
smuzqwpdmx
It’s a mark of a good GM to admit your mistakes and minimize your losses instead of sticking with the failed player like too many do for too long because there’s ego involved.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
You have no idea how much of that contract they are eating, and they got nothing in return
Rexhudler86
@fan also getting two players back. That’s why it’s a 100 percent the deal to get roki. I’m guessing Cleveland had the best deal to get rid of the contract.
HalosHeavenJJ
Pretty big return for Toronto, particularly if this lands them Roki.
I wonder who they are giving up.
Dustyslambchops23
This could also be a pivot from Roki and spreading more money around for other intl signings.
O'sSayCanYouSee
Does the PTBNL have a “if we get/if we don’t get Roki” clause on it?
Dustyslambchops23
Interesting, that could make some sense
norcalguardiansfan
I bet that is exactly the deal.
Suitcase Simpson
get your apologies to the dodgers ready.
Mr. E Team
I thought teams could only add international bonus pool $250k at a time
boblowlaw2
Increments
Gwynning
You’re fast, bob. Chasing that ambulance at 100MPH!
Gwynning
Increments of $250k… so $500k, $750k, $1.75MM are all ok, so on and so forth.
Butter Biscuits
I think it’s in increments of $250k
Michael Chaney
They can only add pool space in *increments* of $250K at a time. So since they’re adding $2 million, it’s allowed.
positively_broad_st
Increments of $250K. Can’t trade something like $100K or $300K, but can trade one block of $250K or more than one block of $250K stacked together. So 250, 500, 750, 1.000, 1.250, etc.
texasguscc
LOL, well if that isn’t broken down for us in the most simple terms…
Mr. E Team
Appreciate the clarification.
Incrementally at least
King Floch
The Blue Jays bailing out the Guardians on another awful contract after already taking on Gimenez’s ill-fated extension, how nice of them!
I still hope the Dodgers land Sasaki though, mostly because I don’t want him in the ALE but also because that would be hilarious.
Dustyslambchops23
I mean, we don’t know how much cash cle is handing over so let’s chill on the bailing out.
100% true on the gimenez deal tho lol
solaris602
Jays fans, if you liked Bradley Zimmer you’re gonna love Straw – all glove, no stick….and I do mean no stick. If TOR doesn’t land Sasaki, this is gonna be quite the exploding cigar for them.
DerekBellsMoistMoustache
The Jays farm is in rough shape. Adding some potential there if Sasaki falls through is not the worst outcome. And until we find out how much Cleveland is eating on the contract, it’s pretty silly to make any assumptions.
JackStrawb
“Ill-fated”? Pffft.
JRamHOF
The Columbus Clippers lost a good one
Rexhudler86
I would say this a good sign for the jays puts them around 8-9 million in pool money.
RotiniRick
$8,261,600.
Rexhudler86
@rotini. They could still add more that’s why I kept it open. It’s 60% of 6.2
E.D Murray
Quick, someone start checking for large party dinner reservations in Toronto.
Aoe3
Rumour is SD is out of the race. This will be interesting. Believe LA is still the favourite but man what a surprise and boost to a Toronto team if he signed there.
positively_broad_st
Cleveland got themselves out of having to pay Straw $15.5M to be a mediocre player in AAA over the next two years. Smart move for both sides…
dasit
this is the equivalent of “ohtani has booked
a sushi restaurant to celebrate”
highflyballintorightfield
If memory serves, it wasn’t even that. Kikuchi made a reservation and everyone assumed Ohtani would be his guest. 😀
Cincyfan85
Please go to the Blue Jays… I hate the Dodgers lol.
Dodger Dog
Salary Dump
Old York
Sasaki can’t find any suitable teams to play for in the MLB so he’ll head back to the more reputable NPB to play.
James Midway
Ham Fighters could always use pitching
Old York
@James Midway
Nippon Ham is the company name and nickname is Fighters.
nipponham.co.jp/
James Midway
I know I just like to call them that because it sounds better
Old York
@James Midway
I’d like to see Apple own the Giants and call them Apple Giants
Amazon could take over the M’s and rename them Amazon Mariners.
bestone
…or…Amazon take the Giants…then they could be the Amazon Giants….
Golfsucks
Go Toronto!
Straw is a burner and plays vey good defence.
My guess is that he gets released.
Cleveland will get some of that money back or a fringe 40 man man player.
Toronto is going to have to do some DFA’ing over the next few weeks.
That’s a lot of bonus cash to get in one trade.
That also puts LA way behind in money.
Going to be a fun baseball day!
Digdugler
For a team with literally zero offense in the outfield, I don’t know how they could legitimately play a worse hitter than Bradley Zimmer.
Rsox
This could be the last Straw for Blue Jays fans if all they get out of this deal is Myles Straw…
BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?
9.4 million guaranteed over the next 2 years….for an at best 4th outfielder
Mr Shapiro, I hope you know what your doing here…a high price to pay for 2 million in international money your not chosen.
Fingers crossed.
Datashark
Wow, if Sasaki shuns Toronto like Ohtani, they will be hurting with paying off Straw for no reason.
Digdugler
Its $15M over 3 years (buy out the last year). Gimenez trade hurts the Jays way more.
Ducey
Well they would have a lot of signing money, and presumably whoever the Dodgers were to sign would be left high and dry. They could wind up with a good signing class.
The problem is that they suck at picking players. This is really the problem with Atkins. TOR needs to draft and develop and they just cant.
Datashark
the best players Dodgers were signing have already shifted away to other teams
seamaholic 2
The Straw deal is loose change. Irrelevant.
Dustyslambchops23
I know this deal isn’t about Straw. But I would love to have a view on the average OPS of the players Atkins has signed/acquired lol
Bob Sacamano 310
I guess the only downside to this if they don’t sign Roki is that they pay Myles Straw and all the other bigger international guys have signed. You might get lucky later on though and someone emerges that decides not to wait until next signing period.
NoSaint
If the 2M bump is the thing to land Roki, this is a good move… If he doesn’t go with the Jays, well, let’s see how the rest of the contract looks like.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
Can a team that signs Sasaki, immediately offer him a massive long term contract?
seamaholic 2
Not right away, no. But a year from now? No one knows.
BlueSkies_LA
No. They can’t offer him an extension until he’s eligible for arbitration.
GB85
Something is definitely cooking for the Jays, don’t know if that necessarily means Sasaki or not, but something is definitely up.
Datashark
if nothing happens and they are left with big international money with no one to spend it on…means one GM is out of job soon enough
ny papi
Is the stove getting room temp for the jays??
CCooper8920
I feel so bad for the Blue Jays
Salzilla
Go Jays! You got this, I believe in you!
MC Tim C
Sasaki is going to sign with the Dodgers. It’s been a given since day one. I feel bad for Blue Jays fans because this is just getting their hopes up.
friesTO
from TheStar the notion of this move may be about a number Sasaki gave the Jays and Atkins is making it happen. Take it from Jays fans, he wouldn’t do this on his own initiative. (yes he would do a terrible trade but it’s so specific and random in this case) So it’s all about the available international pool money and now they have more than the Dodgers.
That bodes well for Sasaki coming to the Jays if they met his request. Still up to him to decide though. But if everyone just goes to the Dodgers, great for them, but it diminishes MLB ability to spread out top prospects
Whiskey and leather balls
Exactly what the cheap tribe need to do, give up signing amateurs to save a few bucks that they wont spend anyway
westcasey
Incredible cleveland was able to dump Straw and his salary. Kudos to them for fixing the problem they created for themselves. It Did cost them several million over last season plus this new agreement. But problem is gone. Maybe Cleveland can sign an OF that can hit. or probably Dolan will just keep the money as TV contract is less , plus they are a small market in case you missed that.
In nurse follars
I think polanco would be an interesting acquisition on a one year deal. A switch hitter who keeps second base warm until a may or june brito call up. If he hits he could be flipped at the trading deadline and if he doesnt hit he can be released. An entire infield of switch hitters.
Whiskey and leather balls
Have you seen what they get for revenue sharing? Dont drink the small market koolaid
Avory
The only “Kool-Aid” being swallowed is insinuating that the big markets are somehow noble because they have the revenue to spend and the small markets have it but don’t. It’s the big lie perpetuated by the big markets and big player agents to justify big market dominance. The real truth is that there are large, fixed expenses that EVERY market has to spend to participate in the league and the amount of discretionary revenue after that is vastly different. Over the long run, every owner spends roughly the same % of revenue on baseball operations as every other owner, it’s just that the denominator in the equation is nowhere near the same. Berating small market owners who spend the % equivalent of big market owners is simply carrying the water for those teams who are quite pleased by their advantageous position in the game, and happy to have fans cheerleading for them the way you do.
Smelly_Cobb
Well said.
fred-3
Avory, we had a league in 70s and 80s where everything was more even and the union hated it. If MLB returned to that model, the league wouldn’t survive, as there would be work stoppages every few years.
This current model appeases everyone. Big markets get to spend, union reap the rewards from big contracts from big markets, small marketowners get to not spend (let’s be real, they don’t want to).
Dustyslambchops23
I think you’re right to an extent, it’s a business and that makes perfect business sense. As much as it is a business it’s a very unique business in that their is limits to winning new revenue, the dodgers don’t win padre fans over because they have a better product the same way apple could over Samsung.
There is a variable that can alter the equation though, and that’s a willingness to temporarily reduce margins to build a brand.
A team that can build a winning culture, a brand of excellence will inevitably bring in more money. Some times that comes from a simple % of the organic revenue, but other times it can come from over extending.
I look at a team like the Red Sox, Boston isn’t the biggest market but they act like a big market because at some point they over extended and acted bigger than they were to create a brand.
A team like Miami could invest in their brand and team to create that culture, it’s not guaranteed to work but it could and then could change the denominator
Avory
Well, that’s a bunch of questionable revisionist history if I’ve ever heard it. Today’s humongous TV deals, bloated playoff structure, explosion in franchise values, and much greater strength of the MLBPA makes absurd any comparison between the sport’s landscape today and fifty years ago. There was no more “parity” in competition then there is now, players just weren’t getting their fair share of whatever revenue was being generated. It had zero to do with competitive balance, and frankly, it has never BEEN about competitive balance. Players don’t give two hoots about competitive balance, all they care about is that there are bidders for their services.
The contention that small markets “don’t want to spend” is like saying a laborer could afford a new BMW but chooses a used Chevy…sure, he might be able to scrape enough together to start payments on an expensive car, but does that make any sense at all in his circumstances? Hell no. The idea that the the current Yankee, Red Sox, Dodger, or Cub owners wouldn’t do anything differently were they the CLE, Pirate, Rays, or Brewers owners is one of the most delusional contentions fans have. They have swallowed the absurdities spewed by big market owners and big player agents for so long that they act like wealthy people always do: denigrate those at the bottom of the heap to justify their exalted position in life. And fans buy it, hook, line, and sinker.
Dustyslambchops23
You’re completely ignoring the power of marketing and brand. Again I’m not disagreeing overall but there is a grey area in the middle of teams that absolutely could spend more to create a better brand and product and don’t.
How else do you explain the revenue difference between the white Sox and cubs, the angels and dodgers, the cardinals and the royals. Yes the white Sox can’t go out and spend 300 million a year on salaries like the Yankees, no one suggesting that is a possibility, but to suggest that their current revenue is tapped out while they have a consistently terrible in field product and don’t invest in players is a pretty myopic view.
Your car analogy is in no way applicable here, these are businesses, some invest heavily in r & d, marketing and brand and some don’t. The ones that do have a a far better chance at reaching their revenue ceiling than those that don’t.
Avory
Nah, it’s nowhere near applicable when there are such wide disparities in revenue.
Amazing how people ignore that ALL these owners are wealthy, but in the end, ALL will operate teams like they’re businesses. Everything is irrelevant other than annual budgets based on revenue expectations.
The ONLY difference is the skill front offices have in navigating what discretionary revenue they have to spend. Fortunately, largess creates sloppy, stupid behaviors in big markets which small markets must depend upon to compete. Thank goodness most big markets are fat and dumb, otherwise the shrewd and the resourceful (Rays, CLE, Brewers) wouldn’t have any chance at all. You have varying degrees of competence and incompetence up and down the line, but the scariest proposition is when smarts and wherewithal are married, like in the Dodgers.
This isn’t about “brand management;” it’s basically the prosperous vs. less prosperous and the quick vs. the slow like it is in every endeavor in life.
momTurphy
Roki to the Guardians as a PTBNL????
seamaholic 2
Wow, the Jays got their bonus cap space for a freakin’ salary dump. And not even a big one. That bonus space is so valuable for them. Effing embarrassing for the Guardians.
In nurse follars
No. They clear some dead money and playing time in columbus. There was no future for straw in cleveland. They cut there losses. Addition by subtraction. Delauter is the future, valara is a hope who needs to play.
Seamaholic
I don’t care about getting rid of Straw. They could just cut him. He makes all of $6m and is a very good defender at least. About a 1 WAR player (his contract’s not even under water for crying out loud). Everyone knows Toronto was desperate for cap space, and Cleveland hands a HUGE chunk of it to them for a mini-dump whose salary the Jays will barely notice. Pathetic. Whole bunch of GM’s are royally pissed at the Guardians right now.
Avory
Riiiiiight….Straw’s contract isn’t “underwater.”….I see we have another believer in the spurious $$/WAR equation that only player agents love to spout.
That’s a back-of-the-napkin calculation for limited free agency that bears no semblance to reality. The ONLY $$/WAR calculation that WOULD make any sense is one where ALL players were free agents at the same time, THEN you’d know what value a player truly would have. And Straw as a free agent in that marketplace would make a base Triple-A salary AT BEST. His current contract is so far underwater a submarine couldn’t get to it. Criticize CLE all you want for a poor assessment of Straw on the front end, but not for smartly getting out from under the bad contract that’s been drowning them ever since it was signed.
Dustyslambchops23
His value is completely defensive, but his bat doesn’t justify playing time. The contract is completely under water.
Rexhudler86
@seam.They gave up two players for a pinch runner on a expensive contract for his production. It works out for both teams.
Sk8
Why?
Bob Sacamano 310
Why what?
Reynaldo's
Why does Sasaki say he prefers the West Coast but still consider Toronto?
BlueSkies_LA
I prefer halibut, but I will eat salmon.
stormie
Sure, but if you could only eat one or the other for the next 6-7 years, you’re choosing the halibut.
BlueSkies_LA
Sounds to me like it might be too much of a good thing.
Seamaholic
Because he didn’t say that (he hasn’t said anything publicly).
Bob Sacamano 310
At least he’s not taking up space on the 40-man
Dustyslambchops23
Jays are 100% being used as leverage here.
He wants to go to the dodgers, but dodgers were capping their spend so this is the agent using jays as leverage to get more out of the dodgers.
Book it
Van Lingle Mungo
Dodgers aren’t “capping” their spending. They can only use their allotment, and if no team is willing to trade with them, then there’s only so much they can do.
Dustyslambchops23
Jays just took on a bad contract to push the cap, so yes there is always something they can do, jays are just being used as leverage
MysteryWhiteBoy13
There is no leverage. He either wants to go to LA and is capped by what they can offer or he wants to go to Toronto and he is capped by what they can offer.
If he only wants money, than the dodgers have some work to do.
marcfrombrooklyn
If all he wants is money, he should have waited two years or he needs one of the shoe companies, I mean “lifestyle brands to pony up.
Rexhudler86
@dusty. What’s this leverage you speak of. Blue Jay’s can get more international money. Dodgers are at the bottom and can only acquire 60% additional to the total. Do you realize he’s a minor league free agent, not a indentured servant.
sasaki <<<_____ no leverage
Dustyslambchops23
So you’re suggesting that for a minor league free agent, an extra 60% in signing bonus is not attractive?
Agents goal is to squeeze every last possible dollar out of every contract, just because it’s not 300+ mil doesn’t mean that changes, if anything any extra million here would be far more important
Rexhudler86
@dusty no just saying the jays have acquired the same amount as the dodgers max out. That’s not leverage or shenanigans that’s the offer he accepted.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
Both teams can add 60%, so still no leverage
Rexhudler86
@mystery. Agree. Jays have a million on the dodgers would’ve added it in the trade to max out if needed. Just means this was his number he wanted and it’s done.
Van Lingle Mungo
No, but if money mattered to him, he could have waited 2 years and then gotten a Yoshinobu-type contract instead of leaving Japan early.
Dustyslambchops23
This doesn’t make sense. Yes he could have waited for more, but he didn’t.
But that decision is done and now you try to maximize your contract. If money didn’t matter at all, why not sign for 60k?
Van Lingle Mungo
It does make sense. $60k is a stupid amount of money. But the difference in $5 million in California and $8 million in Canada in negligible.
Ballstothewall
8 mil usd goes a very very very long way when converted to Canadian dollars. It gives him ~ 11.5 mil to work with
Dustyslambchops23
lol what?
5 million usd in CA is roughly 2.5 mil take home
8 million USD in ON is roughly 3.8 mil take home.
That’s over 30% difference with 1.3 million more. Real negligible
Wire to wire 2024
If he wanted leverage he wouldn’t have eliminated 20+ teams from the running, teams with even more funds than the jays.
Dustyslambchops23
Saying ‘I’ll sign somewhere else’ isn’t leverage.
Saying ‘it’s a coin flip between Toronto but they have 2 million extra dollars’ is
friesTO
it’s not the Dodgers decision on their cap size
Dustyslambchops23
They could acquire more like the jays did
BlueSkies_LA
And they still can.
unpaidobserver
Check the flight logs.
kodion
If this keeps up, we can start calling the Jays, not just the front office, the Cleveland Castoffs!
Miken31
I don’t mean this in a snarky way. I’m genuinely curious. What is the draw for Sasaki to the Blue Jays? Anyone have insight into this? I don’t think he will end up there, but what makes them one of three finalists?
yeasties
For Ohtani, part of the argument was that Toronto broadcasts over the entire Canadian market, so he potentially would have nationwide endorsement opportunities. I have no idea how big or small that advantage is. Otherwise, I don’t get it either.
Seamaholic
Great city, very international (huge Japanese and Asian population). Low pressure generally. Wealthiest owners in sport (or 2nd to Dodgers). Chance to break new ground for a Japanese star in a city with lots of media connections to Asia. Makes all the sense in the world actually.
Miken31
With that logic you would think free agents, particularly Asian, would be flocking to go there, but that hasn’t happened.
Avory
Somebody has to blaze the trail. International players have traditionally enjoyed playing in Canada, especially Montreal. Would not be surprised if Sasaki chose Toronto at all.
Dustyslambchops23
That’s because it’s not true. While Toronto has a very big Asian population, the Japanese population is quite small, about 40-60,000 Japanese people in the GTA.
jimmertee
@Miken31 Why free agents aren’t beating the door down in Toronto is that Toronto and Canada have amazing benefits but players have to work for Shapiro and Atkins and an analytics department that took a pticher out ofter a few innings when he was throwing seeds. The organization is run by stupidity and the players know it.
JackStrawb
Toronto is a world-class, cosmopolitan city, albeit architecturally bland given it doesn’t have much of a history.
Strong international presence, albeit lacking the world class strip clubs of Montreal.
Miken31
Lol
Yeah, I’ve never been to Toronto, but I heard it’s a very nice city. I guess I was wondering more baseball wise why a player would choose to go there, particularly a Japanese player. Some people have provided some insight into that which I guess makes sense but it’s still a bit of a mystery to me.
Jaysfansince92
There could be a few reasons he’s considering them. He’s had problems with injuries and the Jays starting rotation has been one of the healthiest in the league for the last few seasons. It seems like they’re pretty good at keeping them healthy.
Another possible reason is that he’s had a very adversarial relationship with the media over his career (apparently things got pretty bad after they found out he was planning on leaving for MLB early) and the Jays owners Rogers communications owns pretty much all the media in Canada. They’re possibly the only team that can guarantee he won’t be getting negative attention from the media.
SHARKmapiro
Obviously if the Jays miss out on Sasaki the “fans” will go after Shapiro and Atkins but ironically they’re doing everything they should be doing. Look at the Giminez and Hoffman moves in the light of trying to impress Sasaki: best defense up the middle in MLB (to help keep era down and wins/war up) and filling their biggest hole: closer. Now, they still need another bat but there’s time to fill that gap. I like the aggressive pursuit by the Jays and let’s hope this is a precursor to closing the deal!
Waz1
Not happy that Cleveland gave away $2MM in signing bonus money. $2MM should get you a pretty decent international player (granted they are teenagers). But Cleveland doesn’t go after the top international players. I’d love for the writers to ask the FO about their approach.
Fernando P
@Wazi – They do eliminate around 12M owed to Straw for that 2M in bonus pool money.
JackStrawb
It was considered a fairly weak int’l class this go-round. For what CLE could get, they probably thought dumping off the $13.975m they owed Straw (minus 3-4m they sent with him to TOR) was worth it.
terry g
I find it interesting that Sasaki finds his way into almost all articles lately. He’s very good but he’s only one pitcher and not even a stat yet.
Fernando P
Would be nice to see Toronto finally get someone, though still expecting the Dodgers.
Waiting to be pleasantly surprised even if that means Sasaki in Yankee division.
Mickey Solis
End the charade. Another Japanese sellout leveraging everyone else to sign up with his d*ddy. Clown bandwagon Dodgers fans about to come out of the woodwork to defending their team’s “honor” even though people are close to stopping watching MLB. This league is pathetic.
Seamaholic
More people watch MLB than ever before. At least in person. TV ratings are down in all sports.
jimmertee
@Mickey, you are correct about the sellout leveraging other clubs to sign with the Dodgers, whether it is getting more bonus pool money or a handshake deal, which is very real in MLB.
kenly0
So, it says that teams can trade for 250k increments. But, says they’re getting 2 million. How?
SHARKmapiro
250,500,750,1000…2,000
Ballstothewall
You answered your own question unless you don’t know what an increment is
Geebs
is this front office capable of trading with another front office that isn’t cleveland? like really, did atkins lose his contact list or something
whyhayzee
Straw launches a bomb once every 330 plate appearances.
Whyme
Shatkins h8 offense and like to torture fans with some of the worst baseball around.
Smelly_Cobb
Please Roki, make the people’s choice (Toronto)
terrymesmer
Team international bonus pool money, according to recent reporting by MLB Network:
LAD: $5.15M (tied with the Giants for the lowest in MLB)
SDP: $6.3M (reported they are about to sign other international players)
TOR: $8.26M (seems now to be the largest pool in MLB)
NOTE: Eight clubs had been tied for the highest bonus pool figure at $7.6 million
jwinker
Are the jays allergic to bats?
Fernando P
With Munetaka Murakami a true free agent next year, it sets up as a Japanese player that has no free spot on the Dodgers (Freeman 1b, Ohtani DH).
Now if the Jays get Sasaki and lose Guerrero, that could make them a destination for Murakami. Yankees also have been interested in him and have 1b opening next year.
jimmertee
Jays stink of desperation and will probably not end up with Sasaki. Myles Straw needs vitamins.
Sasaki to Los Angeles.
CO Guardening
Everyone talking Roki implications. Who else here is glad to see Straw shipped out?
BlueSkies_LA
Seems like a classic straw man argument.