This afternoon provided a surprise when USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reported that the Astros were leaving the door open to bringing back Alex Bregman. It was generally expected that the Astros had moved on once they acquired Isaac Paredes and signed Christian Walker to play the corner infield spots.
However, it seems the Astros never fully closed the door on their longtime third baseman. Houston had reportedly made Bregman a six-year, $156MM offer before they landed Paredes as part of the Kyle Tucker return. Bregman obviously did not accept, though it does not seem that the team has pulled the offer even after what seemed to a pivot to contingency plans.
Chandler Rome of The Athletic reports that Houston’s offer “remains on the table.” Rome writes that pressure within the Astros’ clubhouse has contributed to the team reopening discussions with the two-time All-Star in recent days. It isn’t known if that means they’re open to pushing their offer beyond $156MM, or if they’re simply hoping that Bregman’s asking price will come down to their level now that he’s unsigned deep into January.
Nightengale suggested this afternoon that if the Astros managed to keep Bregman, they could slide Paredes to second base while bumping Jose Altuve to left field. Rome confirms that the team is indeed considering that scenario. While Altuve to the outfield doesn’t seem to be set in stone, Rome writes that Bregman would stick at third base if he signed back in Houston. They’d need to find somewhere else in the lineup for Paredes.
Money remains a stumbling block. The Astros exceeded the luxury tax threshold last season. Rome reports that owner Jim Crane has been reluctant to do so for a second straight year. Houston already projects narrowly above the $241MM base threshold, with RosterResource calculating their CBT number around $244MM. The Astros could make a trade to dip below that mark. They’ve been working to offload most or all of the $14MM owed to setup man Ryan Pressly, though the veteran righty has full no-trade rights and could scuttle those plans. Mauricio Dubón ($5MM) and Chas McCormick ($3.4MM) are on manageable arbitration salaries and could be possible trade options if Houston can’t deal Pressly.
There’s essentially no way they’d get below the tax line if they re-sign Bregman. He’d very likely command more than $25MM annually. Even if they trade Pressly and decide to deal Paredes, who’ll play on a $6.625MM arbitration salary, they’d be above the line. That the Astros apparently still have an offer out to Bregman demonstrates that Crane isn’t firmly committed to staying below the tax threshold. The owner has said as much this offseason, though he has also been reluctant to approve long-term deals. Houston hasn’t signed a free agent contract longer than the five-year, $95MM Josh Hader deal from last winter since Crane purchased the franchise more than a decade ago.
The Tigers, Red Sox and Blue Jays have also been linked to Bregman. Talks between the infielder and Detroit were reportedly at a standstill as of Tuesday evening.
If bregman thinks he can do better than 6/156
He is out of his damn mind
Much like Alonso, turning down his original offer as well.
Alonso turned down 158
That worked out well for him
Technically it was 138ish cause he made 20MM in his final arb. year, still a dam good offer though.
technically it is 158 as the offer included the final arbitration year. He needs to make up 138 to even it out.
Right but he was getting that 20 regardless of the contract or not? So it was basically a 6 year 138MM offer
@John
As of Jan 23, you would be right. If he declined the offer and it’s still on the table, then either there’s other offers we don’t know about, or he holds some resentment towards the organization. Who knows what conversations have transpired. I’m an agent in the entertainment world, and you would be shocked by the reasons why either side might decide their cool on the other side.
Bregman better take Astros offer before it’s too late. It’s not like teams are chomping at the bit to sign Bregman
Certainly hope Bregman is being told by Boras if he waits it out long enough teams will cave & give him the $$$ & contract he wants
At this point it’s in Bregman (Boras) hands – take Astros offer or watch his market go away
Bregman is a future Blue Jay. He’ll make like Springer and Correa and take the undesirable location in a panic to get a deal. This Astros offer is not real, its fake news designed to put pressure on potential suitors.
“champing at the bit”
This at least explains his reluctance to sign a short term deal.
Boras has been swinging and missing a lot more often these past couple years it seems… Reception on the 1+1 deals last year were… lukewarm and in some cases it blew up in his face (JoMo fired him and went to Wasserman).
It’s looking increasingly like Boras is satisfied with securing the top of the market deals and hanging on to the big fish…
I think we’re staring down a baseball production wealth gap where the elite FAs get paid for at high-end market rates while the serviceable players/depth pieces see smaller and smaller contracts. And if you’re somewhere in between, like a Bregman, Flaherty, etc. on the cusp of being a super-elite FA, you might get left out in the cold as teams get creative to find another way to fill your role (or if you’re the Dodgers, just spam the buy button)
“Securing the top of market deals..Elite free agents get paid”…Scott Boras effectively runs the MLBPA and they’ve only cared about the top 1% of players for some time now.
He’s certainly a legend in his own mind
Mets players, you know what to do.
In any case, not a chance Stearns signs a 31 yo for 6 years, blocking 3B for three young players for the 2-win upgrade Bregman represents.
Also expect Jett Williams to replace Tyrone Taylor as the Mets 4th OFer at some point.
Anyone know the latest on Nimmo’s plantar fascitis and whether he’s running at full speed yet?
What a sad team. Give up Tucker to then overpay Bregman because cheater Altuve is whining? Ridiculous. They all deserve each other though so hope it happens
Never Remember their 7 straight ALCS appearances?
All while losing Cole, Correa, Verlander and Springer to free agency during that stretch.
That’s damn impressive in my book. I wonder if my Padres will make it to 7 NLCS in their first 100 years of existence.
@papi
there’s nothing impressive about cheating
Cheating is always repellent. The Astros cheated in 2017. The Yankees did in 2015 to 2017. In the Commissioner’s report we read that the architect of the system the Astros used brought the underpinnings with him from the Yankees. Red Sox also were caught cheating in 2017.
What the Astros did from 2018 to 2024 is quite impressive.
They were a good team, but the AL West was weak.
They didn’t win the AL West 7 times, they appeared in the ALCS 7 times in a row. Weak AL or not, they beat a lot of good teams.
@Never
Sad team? It was reported that Tucker was unwilling to discuss an extension. If Tucker feels he wants to test free agency after seeing Soto get up to $805 when most experts thought his market was somewhere around $500-$550 mil then maybe trading Tucker for the package they revived was the most prudent thing to do knowing they have no desire and/or capacity to extend a $400 mil offer to him. If that’s the case, then trading him was absolutely the most proactive thing to do.
This is ridiculous. They should’ve kept Tucker then lose him to free agency. Now there’s a large void in outfield and in lineup. Alvarez will be the ONLY left-handed bat in lineup. The starting OF will be comprised of Dubon, Meyer, and McCormick?!? This is so pitiful that your backup catcher will start more at DH than Yordan. I’m no GM but consistently playing both your catchers regularly and forcing Alvarez into the field regularly seem like bad ideas. Whose knees fail first?
So just keep him another season and let him walk for a draft pick? They got two players that will help them now and a prospect that is almost undoubtedly better than anyone they’d get with the pick and he could be up to the big leagues this year as well. If you’re not gonna keep the player, you should trade them. Tucker alone isn’t what will make or break the Astros in 2025.
I agree with this. Tucker is aiming for $400mil plus and the Astros weren’t willing to even consider that. They made a really good move to lose only 1 year of Tucker for the pieces they received. I’m not an Astros fan either, but geez you have to give them credit for the last 8 years of success, it’s been quite incredible.
They schooled the cubs in that deal if Tucker doesn’t sign an extension.
Learn the name Cam Smith. He’s going to be a household name in 2 years
@thickie
They got a pretty good return for 1 year of Tucker. They signed Walker to play 1b and there was nothing keeping them with acquiring a LF via trade or FA. It’s better than a comp pick.
Let me ask you this, are they a WS team without Bregman? The answer is NO so what’s the point in keeping Tucker when you wouldn’t even be the favorite to win the division with him? Count in the injury risk and it’s a no brainer to get a top 100 prospect back along with other MLB ready pieces. Too many fans like yourself lack the prepping and planning for the future and only focus on the year at hand then you end up rebuilding for the next 3-4 years cause they are probably losing their best pitcher (Framber) after this year as well.
What a sad, bitter post. And ridiculous.
To think the Stros would put altuve in the outfield and Parades to the keystone to accommodate a possible Bregman signing is preposterous.
Zero chance that happens. Paredes isn’t a second baseman and moving Altuve (and who knows what happens with that wee guy tippy-toeing about left field) for him is hilarious to envision.
If they reacquaint themselves with Bregman, I see a trade of Isaac back to Detroit where he’ll renew his PTSD with the Comerica Park dimensions (not to mention the wet 30+ degree April chill). Power numbers will be a thing of his past.
Paredes has played some 2B when he was with Detroit.
Please. He makes Colt Keith look like Joe Morgan.
I didn’t say he was good 😉
Putting Altuve in the outfield might not be a bad idea. His defense at 2nd has been declining. He’s got the speed to handle left, especially at home with the short porch.
One drawback in addition to average speed in 2024 (and he’s not going to be faster in 2025) is one of the weakest arms in MLB, acc to Statcast.
I wonder if Altuve can limp to the HOF finish line with some useful career numbers: 2,500 Hits, 60 bWAR, 500 2B, 2500 hits, 1000 RBI, keep the career average over .300…
The 58.0 fWAR helps…
@leftykoufax Why? Altuve has become an abomination at 2B.
has Bob Nightingale ever been right about anything?
He knows how to correctly spell his name.
My sympathies tend to lie with the players far more than the owners, and I have no issue with players looking to maximize their free agency years. Fans tend to pay much closer attention to the impact free agency deals and criticize the players, as that is what is more accessible.
Realistically, no one is “worth” $30 plus million per year to play a sport and it is too easy to focus on that end of things rather than how the majority of the owners are controlling a rigged game that no one else can play. So we kvetch about the greedy agents and players simply because it is the low-hanging fruit.
But when some of these players overreach and turn down amazing offers only to get spanked later in free agency, it is hard not to point out the greed. A 6 / $156 for Bregman should have been snapped up the second that the offer was there, just as Alonso booted the easy grounder with his Mets extension offer.
If I am in the last year before free agency and the marketplace looks as if it tops out at $200M and my team offers $160M guaranteed today, I run to find a pen. Confirming that deal takes away all of the risk, and in the long run when one player has $160M vs. the potential for $200M it really does not change their life. But missing out on most of it due to an injury would certainly change their life as they bet it all.
@Carver
It is very easy for you to sit in judgment. The agents generally have an idea of the market, but that doesn’t mean that teams might not change their budgets and targets. This is Bregman’s cost run thru FA, and it’s likely his last big payday. To say he’s greedy while considering the next 50 years of his life isn’t absurd. I’m not saying he can’t live comfortably off of whatever he ends up with after all the deductions but still, in your normal life is like holding out for $50k and your employers initial offer was $42k. It’s relative. Assuming there are no other offers on the table, then obvi, it would be in his best interstellar to script it if it’s still on the table, but who knows?
@knicksfan – “It is very easy for you to sit in judgment.”. If you can read what I wrote, and arrive at this as your end result, then reading comprehension is not your forte (not to mention the writing and communication skills shown in your own post)..
Yes, I see that you are an entertainment agent. A good buddy of mine is a sports agent for decades (we have shared many a conversation along these lines), and I spent decades as an agent and a principal for commercial development. I understand the nature of the game, risk to reward ratios and the fact that the market can always surprise you at times.
My remarks regarding Bregman and Alonso were tailored toward their own realities. Age at free agency; downward trendlines in performance, the number of potential suitors that are a fit and that have the payroll space, and so on and so forth.
To your point – sure, if they want to take the risk of the music stopping and the seats all being taken, then they should reach for the stars, but don’t whine if they end up getting shanked by the marketplace. They have earned the right to a big win, and retain the downside of an egregious error in judgment.
It actually is not the same as a corporate guy that is asking for $105,000 when the employer offered $90K. To a normal person, all of that money is a big deal and they have to live off of their salary, A guaranteed $160M vs. $200M is not changing the house that someone lives in, or their lifestyle to a great degree. So my emphasis on the risk vs reward has some merit.
KnicksFanCavsMan’s has yet to make a sensible post. Set your expectations accordingly.
Uhhhh, I’m sorry, but if you can’t make $150 million last 50 years, well you ain’t doing it right.
As for your example of $50K over $42K, well that’s not relative. $8K to someone on a wage that low is the difference between running your heat comfortably all the time in winter or scrimping by and setting it for like 66F. I don’t think any player is greedy, they are simply paid what the market thinks they are worth. Bregman(and his agent) looks to have overvalued his market, simple as that. Personally I think he’d go really well in Boston as he’d just ping the ball off the monster constantly(no, haven’t looked at his spray chart) and give them a much needed boost in 3B defense.
I’m annoyed by Bregman’s ego in this and I think he misplayed it. However, since he already has $100M in career earnings, he can play risky.
There’s always one of these guys in the comments
They need to do something. As of now they’ll be fighting for 3rd
No they won’t. Bregman or not they are still the best team in the division.
I’m a Mariners fan, but the Astros are the best team in the division until somebody boots them to second. It’s got to be done in the real world before it can be talked about on paper.
Chiefs vibes for sure!
Rangers won the WS in 2023, so there’s that.
They had the same record at the end of the season.
Yes you can win a World Series without winning your division.
Do you watch baseball?
If that initial offer is still on the table, Bregman should take it. Tigers aren’t flinching, and there’s not much traction with other teams.
I hope Bregman signs anywhere but Detroit. The thought being: Is this the guy the Tigers would really want to commit a huge contract to for the next 5-6 years as he enters his age 31 season? I think that answer is no, personally.
Why not put Paredes in left and leave altuve at 2nd? Wouldn’t that make more sense than sending your lifelong franchise 2nd basemen into the Outfield for a newcomer?
Altuve will get lost among the blades of grass
Reminds me of Biggio moving to center to accommodate the Jeff Kent signing. That was 2003 if I remember correctly
So “pressure from the clubhouse” has put the contract proposal back on the table. This must be the “metaphorical” clubhouse. So maybe they have a Slack email tree or something where they can all chime in?? Crane getting threatening texts from players like “you better sign Bregman for whatever he wants, OR ELSE!!!”
Player’s Go Fund Me
Nightingale is a Borris mouthpiece, this will never happen.
I wonder what position Bregman will play when the Dodgers sign him for 200 million with 199 million deferred… Muncy to second?
Yeah, how the hell they keep winning in free agency???!!!!!!
Houston should go into lose on purpose mode already.
I don’t disagree. The haul they could get for Alvarez alone. But I don’t know if I trust the front office they’ve assembled to get the right prospects in return. I miss Luhnow.
Bang! Bang! Maybe it’s karma that he doesn’t have a job yet.
Faulting essentially a rookie for the transgressions of a veteran Yankee?
I”d be a little surprised if they kept the actual old offer on the table. “An” offer seems more likely, especially with the moves they’ve already made.
This could be a Boras scam to keep Bregman’s price up. You don’t bring in 1B and a 3B so you can spend $156 million the likes of Bregman.
We’ll still take Paredes off Houston’s hands !
If true, then I must conclude that Astros management have lost their minds.
Another way this could go for the Astros is trading Paredes for an OF’er and signing Bregman.
But that could be tough to coordinate, if the Astros want to be sure they have agreements on both deals before completing either of them.
Should’ve just traded a pitcher for Norby last year , oh well
What if they put Alex at SS and keep everyone else where we signed them to?
You have a defensively weak team then. Bregman might be an average shortstop but his would-be Keystone partner (Altuve) is below average. Jeremy Peña is an excellent defender & player they’re probably not gonna bench or trade.
Not surprising no other team would want this unremorseful cheater.
156 million?
He would have to scrape by, living paycheck to paycheck at the dollar store
Boras Bogus, He’s going to Fenway Park for rings and a call to the hall