Spring training is now just a few weeks away but many free agents are still unsigned, with Alex Bregman arguably being the most notable. The Tigers are one club that have been connected to him but Evan Petzold of the Detroit Free Press reports that talks are “at a standstill.”
At the start of the offseason, MLBTR ranked Bregman the #3 free agent of the winter, behind Juan Soto and Corbin Burnes. Soto and Burnes are both now signed, leaving Bregman as the top guy still out there. We predicted a seven-year, $182MM deal that ended up being sort of a midpoint for Bregman’s negotiations earlier in the offseason. The Astros reportedly offered Bregman $156MM over six years, though the third baseman was trying to get to $200MM.
Rather than meet in the middle, Houston walked away. They lined up a deal with the Cardinals for Nolan Arenado, though Arenado used his no-trade clause to quash that. Instead, they acquired Isaac Paredes from the Cubs and signed Christian Walker to take over at first base. Since then, Bregman has been connected to clubs like the Tigers, Blue Jays, Red Sox and others, but without much apparent momentum.
The Cubs reportedly sniffed around the possibility of a short-term deal for Bregman but agent Scott Boras said last week that Bregman wasn’t considering that path. Cubs president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer also recently downplayed the possibility of the Cubs getting involved. “I think likely,” Hoyer said at Cubs Convention a few days ago, when asked if the Cubs’ third baseman is already in the organization. “Certainly, we’ll look to supplement. Infield is an area we’re focused on (for the bench), but I think the likelihood is yes.”
Matt Shaw is perhaps the best solution there but he has not yet made his major league debut. There’s no guarantee he will hit the ground running in 2025, so there’s an argument for adding someone established, but it seems the Cubs are trying to be more opportunistic than aggressive in Bregman’s market.
It makes for something of a staring contest with the 2025 season approaching. It was around this time last year that Boras started pivoting to short-term deals for Cody Bellinger, Matt Chapman, Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery. Boras has apparently made that turn with client Pete Alonso, as Alonso’s camp reportedly pitched a three-year deal to the Mets recently.
But with Bregman still holding out hope for a longer deal, it seems to be leading to the general sluggishness of the third base market. The Tigers have had a fairly quiet offseason, with one-year deals for Alex Cobb and Gleyber Torres being their primary moves so far. They have Jace Jung and Matt Vierling as potential in-house options at the hot corner, so they have a bit of leverage to wait out Bregman.
With Vierling also capable of playing the outfield, Jung seems like the logical choice for third base right now. He struck out in 30.9% of his plate appearances last year but that was a small-sample debut of 94 plate appearances. He didn’t have those kind of strikeout rates in the minors and still managed to draw a lot of walks while making his major league debut. Like with Shaw, there’s no guarantee that he can take the job and run with it but the Tigers might feel they have enough cover to not go crazy on a Bregman deal.
As long as Bregman stays out there, it seems to be preventing other dominoes from falling. The Cardinals came into the winter looking to do something of a reset but they haven’t been able to execute it yet, which seems to be at least partially because Arenado wanted clarity on Bregman’s situation before he’d commit to being traded. That has left St. Louis in a sort of holding pattern where they might just keep Arenado and other veterans into the start of the 2025 season.
Daniel Kramer of MLB.com also reports that the Bregman situation is leaving the Mariners playing a waiting game. While the M’s are not in on Bregman, they are impacted by the situation nonetheless. Kramer writes that the M’s “believe they’re positioned to make a notable move before Spring Training” but are holding on to see if a Bregman deal sparks movement elsewhere, since upgrading at third is on their to-do list.
Seattle has been fairly quiet this winter, with their signing of infielder Donovan Solano to a one-year, $3.5MM deal being their most notable move. Kramer reports that the M’s don’t plan to deploy him at second and he will be in the mix for playing time at first base more than anywhere else. That perhaps suggests Solano will be platooning with Luke Raley, since Solano is better against lefties and Raley the opposite.
For third base, Kramer floats various possible scenarios that could come to pass as the offseason progresses. He mentions that the Red Sox could land Bregman, which could perhaps make someone like Triston Casas more available. Casas doesn’t play third but it could perhaps lead to Solano moving across the diamond for more time over there. Kramer also floats the possibility of the Tigers signing Bregman and making Jung available, or a similar situation with someone on the Blue Jays like Orelvis Martínez or Addison Barger. It’s also possible that infielders like Luis Arráez of the Padres or Willi Castro of the Twins become more available once Bregman is off the board.
Until then, the Mariners are left laying in the cut, though they have explored other options. They had talks with the Cubs about Nico Hoerner and Bellinger, though the Hoerner deal seemed to become less likely when Paredes was sent to Houston in the Kyle Tucker deal. Perhaps the Hoerner trade talks could be revisited if Bregman ends up a Cub, which is perhaps another reason for the M’s to wait. The Bellinger connection was reported earlier in the offseason.
Another path the M’s considered, according to Kramer, was getting Nathaniel Lowe from the Rangers. However, it seems Texas didn’t feel great about dealing Lowe within their division, which led to him being dealt to the Nationals instead.
For now, it all feels like the part of the standoff where everyone has their hand by their holster, waiting for movement. It’s possible that bodies start dropping once someone flinches, but it’s a staredown for the time being.
choof
Bregman needs to get his act together ASAP. I thought he was a team player but by refusing to throw the Roger Beshens football slider he has shown quite the opposite. It’s a disgrace to himself and Orioles fans everywhere
DirtyWater04
Hall of fame worthy comment
BITA
Don’t encourage him
choof
everyone needs encouragement 🙁
I needed encouragement to start throwing the Roger Beshens football slider. I’m beyond glad I did. It allowed me to finally have the mental clarity I needed to solve the Flint water crisis
BITA
I dont think mental clarity means what you think it means.
choof
i was angry like you once. The football slider allowed me to finally have the inner peace I sought out for so many years. I no longer imagine kicking baby seals.
Please open your heart and mind to new possibilities. Don’t be like Alex Bregman
Motor City Beach Bum
Please tell us more about this miracle product you speak of…the Roger Beshens football slider. How do we learn this pitch that will change our lives?
choof
You’re asking the wrong person. I’m merely the student. Our father Roger Beshens will teach you all you need to know
Motor City Beach Bum
But sometimes the student becomes the teacher. You need to teach Roger Beshens the “choof ball” (after you take a 6 month hiatus from Mlbtr and create it) and the circle will be complete 😉
choof
I couldn’t possibly take a break from the site, alright the premise of a choof ball is tempting….. We could dominate baseball discussion instead of Anti-Dodger tears
Motor City Beach Bum
Shoot for the stars dude. Change the game.
Slappy Dappy Doo
Why is it a disgrace to Orioles fans?
WadeBoggsWildRide
Don’t ask silly questions. You don’t understand the power of the Roger Beshens Football Slider. If I had never learned it Ross Ulbricht would still be in prison for creating the Silk Road. You are a disgrace to Orioles fans everywhere.
bronyaur
Another Boras victim.
Mondesi’s Cannon
@ Bregman. $20/1 ($18 deferred and to be paid out between 2023-2035) to come to LAD. This offer expires in 30 seconds.
Bob Sacamano 310
Interesting deferring to the years 2023 and 2024
178iq
lol if you have a Time Machine cannon, go back and tell the NYY to keep Monty, don’t sign Torres and sign Soto.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
When I saw this article the first thing I thought was bregman to the dodgers at this point
Coming into this off-season I knew the dodgers would get sasaki and at least one more notable player but I did not expect them to BECOME the off-season
Nick Saban once said once you get on top of the mountain you become the mountain and that sums up the dodgers nowadays
asdfgh
Not likely the dodgers sign a notable cheater that wouldn’t be well received in LA
Redwolves3
Bregman’s market is about to dry up. Should Tigers walk away it may be a long time before Bregman finds a new home – possibly not until weeks into Spring Training
Turning down 6 years $156M extension from Houston quite possibly could be his best offer. If that happens Bregman (Boras) brought everything upon himself
norcalblue
Clearly, NOT the #3 FA in 2024-25.
screamer2244
Who do you have in front of him?
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Fried was above him and sasaki (idk if he counts) and Blake snell which would make Alex at around #5 or #6
Dorothy_Mantooth
Both Bregman & Alonso have to be regretting turning down their respective club’s offers to extend them. Bregman’s offer came this year while I believe Pete’s big extension offer came in 2023. I don’t see either player coming close to the deals they were offered by their own organizations. I wonder if they made these decisions themselves or if Boras advised them to turn them down. Either way, they left 10’s of millions on the table. I’m not sure Bregman will get more than 4 years, $110M at this point and Alonso is looking at 1-3 year offers in the low $20Ms per year.
There’s no question that Scott Boras is one of the most influential and effective MLB agents of all time, but he’s also had some pretty bad misfires along the way. I wonder if Bregman & Alonso will be his next examples of overplaying the market or will he be able to pull off another huge deal in the 11th hour by waiting long into the signing period. Inquiring minds want to know.
One team that hasn’t been mentioned much for either player is the Angels. Alonso seems to fit the Arte Moreno mold to a T. They could also be in on Bregman as they can’t count on Rendon to even get on the field, let alone produce.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
Alonso had a different agent when he rejected the 2023 extension offer.
The only way the Cubs should consider going 4/100 for Bregman would be if they already have a deal with the Mariners to give up prospects for Hoerner to exceed the quality for the two QO lost picks. Then it’s essentially Bregman + cash for Hoerner, and Shaw moves back to his more natural position of 2B.
Dorothy_Mantooth
@Brick – Thanks for the clarity on Alonso’s agent. He should be kicking himself then ;-).
Did the Cubs exceed the CBT last season? I thought they stayed below it, in which case it would only cost them 1 pick to sign Bregman, correct? I do agree with a deal for Hoerner would be required if the Cubs did indeed splurge on Bregman, but I don’t think they’ll pull the trigger. Detroit is still the favorite to sign him, but I could see a desperate Toronto team or the Angels jumping into the fray as well, especially if Bregman is willing to sign for 4 years. Boston could still get involved, but they really like their young kids coming in this year and don’t want to piss off Devers either.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
The Cubs exceeded the CBT by under $1M. Not sure exactly what happened, my speculation is that they had another relief pitcher salary dump lined up at the deadline and it fell through.
unpaidobserver
Guys we only know what was reported by the media. Odds are what was reported was leaked by the team trying to save face to explain why they let a homegrown star walk.
Dorothy_Mantooth
@unpaid – Both teams (Houston & the Mets) offered their players market deals, but both players turned them down. I don’t think the Mets or Houston have any egg on their face for losing Alonso or Bregman to free agency. Their offers were more than fair but both players decided to test the market and it sure looks like both players will end up making less than their home teams had offered them to stay.
Thec’s
The most that I would go for Bregman is 5 years
Rational_Mets_Fan
Coming into the offseason the overwhelming number of FA’s under the Boras roof raised red flags. Every offseason is different but the typical process starts with the top FAs and works its way down. When you are the 6th or 7th ranked guy on the agents lineup of players to offer, teams can just play you off one another. Would they have been signed sooner if under a different Agent, no clue. It seems like having all these FA eggs in one agent basket is a risky approach for the players. Would you want your representatives going into teams you want to play for have other similar players to offer? It’s a conflict of interest and no matter what the agent wins.
drdback
Both Bregman and Alonso better sheeet or get off the pot and figure out where to sign soon before Boros ruins the start of their seasons like he has done to several other players due to greed for $$$.
johnrealtime
The players are active participants. The agents work for them, not vice versa.
If I hired a lawyer to sue you, it would be strange for you to correct all of your animosity towards the lawyer, no?
JackStrawb
No. Not al all, depending.
Dorothy_Mantooth
John – You are 100% right that the agents work for the players; however, an agent is much more than a lawyer to these guys. There are players who negotiate their own contracts and then hire a lawyer to draw up the contract for them. The player pays them much less than they do an agent.
A player hires an agent to promote and market them to other teams, negotiate on their behalf and most importantly, to advise them on the market conditions and what their true value is as a free agent. The player always has the final say and the agent will do whatever the player wants, but some agents can advise their clients poorly, leading to missed opportunities and substantial earning losses as well. Even an agent as good a Boras has made such mistakes in the past and cost his clients $10’s of millions by offering bad advice on their market value, waiting too long for a deal that never comes. It’s definitely a two way street.
Devlsh
An agent is going to tell the player what he thinks he can get for said player. If the agent misreads the market, then he’s worthy of the player’s wrath.
Slappy Dappy Doo
It still happens regardless
آلي مكبيل_.._.بيتزا بيبيروني آشتون كوتشر
Isn’t Alex Bregman signing with the Dodgers?
JackStrawb
It’s true that the Dodgers need a backup 3Bman…
آلي مكبيل_.._.بيتزا بيبيروني آشتون كوتشر
That’s what the upcoming Nolan Arenado trade is for. Alex will be a bench player.
tom brunanskys black sock
Expos 2/309
johncoltrane
Any minute now the headline will read “Blue Jays are interested in Bregman” And then 10 minutes later “dodger sign, Bragman defer entire contract”
آلي مكبيل_.._.بيتزا بيبيروني آشتون كوتشر
What should the title of the article be?
Yankee Clipper
Hold out Alex! For three years if necessary… or really show them and retire.
Rsox
That reminds of ’07 when Bengie Molina threatened to sit out the season if he didn’t get a multi-year deal and then someone reminded him that he was a free agent and no one cared. Eventually he signed a one year deal with the Blue Jays…
kidnova
Having witnessed Bengie hit for the cycle, I will not abide any tarnishing of his good name, sir.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
The Molina’s are built different figuratively and literally
Devlsh
I strongly recommend his book. It’s a good read.
duffys cliff
Dodgers, you interested?
Acoss1331
Tigers are probably thinking, no need to outbid ourselves, just wait it out…
'Tang It
Red Sox too. Bregman won’t budge on years and/or dollars and the red Sox and tigers are like, no thanks we’ll wait. Bregman will have to blink eventually.
avenger65
‘Tang it: The next we see of Bregman is walking down the aisles at Tigers games tossing peanuts to fans.
Motor City Beach Bum
They should hold out for a reasonable deal. I’d rather see them play Jung and Vierling than sewer themselves with a bloated 7 year contract for Bregman. Especially with Baez still stinking up the place….just cut him!
Mondesi’s Cannon
Dodgers have entered the chat.
NerdPowahh
Can’t blame Detroit.
This might be the strategy for just about every team not named the Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees and Mets going forward.
Because god knows the league isn’t going to change anything about this sport.
WaitTil2026
One of those four teams is not like the others…
metsoptimist
The Mets are doing this right now.
Rsox
Apparently Red Wings tickets and free Little Caesars pizza in lieu of salary isn’t doing it for Bregman.
I feel like the Mariners play is for Alonso but they are waiting to see how low Bregman is willing to sign for before making their offer
'Tang It
Wow, that would be such a bad signing for Seattle. The only thing the guy does well is hit for power and that park will neuter him
kylegocougs
The park will hurt any hitter, ideally Bregman could hit like Beltre did here and be quite good esp by park neutral factors. Also at least Bregman has played a ton of games in Seattle already.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Uhh that would be my pipe dream to sign anyone
I do think they will make that big move the article mentioned… but it will be trading Luis Castillo to the cubs because Alex bregman goes to Boston or even vice Versa
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
I’m still waiting for the Rays to offer Alonso 3/78 but with no opt-out or NTC. It would be Rays-like to decide that trading him on July 29 with 2+ years of team control remaining would yield prospects worth the lost pick due to the QO and $18M in a partial year’s salary.
Rsox
That would be $38 million more than they’ve ever given a free agent (Eflin).
The Rays may be a bit gun shy offering big money to anyone since the traded Longoria when his “expensive” years kicked in and the current team record holder thinks Junior High is a singles bar…
Sabean Wannabe
Dodgers depth chart shows Muncey at 3B. Bregman is an easy upgrade. I expect Bregman and the Dodgers to come to terms within the hour.
seamaholic 2
Muncy has gotta be the most underrated player in baseball. No respect. That’s not an “easy upgrade” at all.
JackStrawb
Muncy’s a fine player, 2.5-3.0 bWAR the past three seasons, peak of 5.3 in 2019, and the Dodgers keep getting him back for 10m-15m a season.
To take a facetious comment seriously for the moment, the Dodgers wouldn’t be signing Bregman, they’d be signing—and paying for—the upgrade in projections between Bregman and Muncy, which amounts to roughly 1 win. A 25m AAV to improve by 1 win is patently ridiculous.
Typical fans yell ‘we got Bregman!’ when what they should be saying is something like “we just signed a 1 win upgrade for 6/160m” or whatever the overpay turns out to be.
Salzilla
You know what? Bring him in, Cashman. Let’s put the Dodgers in their place. 😉
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
If George was still alive he would not let the dodgers and Mets walk all over the Yankees
But Hal is focused on money and not as much winning so he’s done for the off-season
Salzilla
Hal had to live through 80’s-early 90’s with the rest of us. He saw that throwing the money around didn’t always lead to sustained success. And now there are so many other factors not present then either, so while LA have ways to skirt some of the rules, I can see why Hal runs the business this way instead.
Acoss1331
I would love to be a fly on that locker room wall in that scenario lol
Dorothy_Mantooth
I agree Saltillo. The Yankees should bring Bregman in for 6 years (or 7 to stretch out the CBT hit). It will be DJL part 2. Great for 2 years, average for 2 years, and then a disaster in the last 3 years.
Zippy the Pinhead
Co-owners Stanton and Larson are just among the several billionaires who own the Mariners. The team had the highest profit margin of any team in MLB, according to Forbes. They can afford both Bregman AND Alonso if they want them, but they really don’t care about setting up expectations for the fan base about winning a World Series like, say, the Dodgers. Profit and loss expectations first. Sad, really.
kylegocougs
It’s so frustrating
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Stanton’s barely a billionaire. His reported net worth is $1.1B, and he’s had to plunk down about half of that to buy his stake in the Mariners. Basically, compared to other major league baseball team owners, he’s the homeless guy on the corner begging for change.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
He founded t-mobile so I think Stanton is fine financially
He doesn’t have to be Steve cohen
Zippy the Pinhead
Barely a billionaire? Meaning he could spend $1000/day for 3000 years and still have $5 million left over? Jeez.
stymeedone
So, like Forbes really has any idea. Its all speculation.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
We are like the Rockies where no matter how bad the team is we still pay for overpriced tickets and food and we don’t know where the money goes
I think Stanton needs the money so he can line his pocketbooks and focus on yachts
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
That’s more of an us problem than an owner problem. If you don’t like the product, don’t buy into it.
seamaholic 2
Rockies have the lowest ticket prices in the sport.
Dorothy_Mantooth
MLB owners do not get wealthy running baseball teams. Most clubs produce positive cash flow, but run very close to breakeven (or even run at a loss) from a GAAP accounting perspective. MLB owners get rich by selling baseball teams.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
It’s a status symbol to stroke their egos. They’re like “hell yeah I own a sports team! Look at me, I’m better than all of you!”
JackStrawb
So few of you realize that if Alonso’s clear decline continues—nothing catastrophic, just following a normal aging curve in MLB—he’ll never again put up even one season where he’s worth a regular slot in the lineup.
DirtyWater04
Paging Boston Red Sox, Earth to Boston Red Sox……
RunDMC
Dodgers, do your thing.
The Natural
Astros offer is looking pretty good. Another screw up from the player side
stymeedone
If it didn’t look good before, why would it look good now? Obviously, Bregman hasn’t gotten what he wants, but I would be surprised if someone hasn’t topped the Astros offer.
Devlsh
It would look good if no one HAS topped the offer.
I don’t see teams beating down the door on Bregman, especially for a five year or longer deal, unless Toronto is still throwing money around in anticipation of Vlad’s departure.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Mets offer Bregman 5 years at $135 million.
Mets trade Jeff McNeil and Baty, and $12 million in cash to Mariners for Emerson Hancock and pitching prospect Teddy McGraw (no relation to Tug McGraw).
Vientos plays 1B, Bregman plays 3B, Acuna plays 2B with Mauricio in wings if Acuna falters.,
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Mets offer Bregman 5 years at $135 million.
Mets trade Jeff McNeil, Dedniel Nunez and Brett Baty, to Mariners for Luis Castillo.
Vientos plays 1B, Bregman plays 3B, Acuna plays 2B with Mauricio in wings if Acuna falters.
merrilld
Mauricio is pretty badass.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
As a Mariners enjoyer, I’d do that trade in a heartbeat.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
We give Castillo for guys that will hit .200 in Seattle
Sign me up!!!
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
I was replying to the first comment, I’d definitely trade Hancock and McGraw for the chance that Baty and McNeil figure out how to hit the ball again.
seamaholic 2
Pretty nice giveaway by Mets there. Hancock is trash.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
He will finally sign a contract in the middle of March.
SupremeZeus
At this point it looks like Bregman and Alonso will eventually have to come to the table and eat a turd sandwich. The only question is how big will the turd be?
SomTeaver
If the Dodgers really are serious about winning, they really need to step it up and sign this Bregman fellow ASAP.
RunDMC
They still haven’t committed more than NYM to Soto. lol
JackStrawb
lol but it’s a much higher AAV.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Just take a high AAV short term deal with opt outs, bro. It basically worked out for Correa. You’re a medium build, medium productive ex-Astro infielder. This is how it goes for you guys.
3 years/$105M w/ opt outs and then hope to over perform, opt out, turn 1 year/$35M into 5 years/$165M or 6 years/$200M and call it a day, bro.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
But that opt out limits your market to teams who are only going to lose 1 draft pick. Otherwise I can see teams saying “3/90, no opt out, no NTC” and betting that the 2027 season will be cancelled or dramatically shortened due to the labor stoppage.
JackStrawb
And unlike Alonso, Bregman’s the kind of player teams are willing to give opt-outs to—AND Bregman has a high enough performance baseline that even if he sticks around at 30-35m a year for another year or two he”ll probably be worth it from a $$$/FA Win pov.
BITA
Really not a fan of the Tigers offseason so far. They needed a number 2 starterz some pen help and some help with their offense. They got Torres and Cobb which neither are too impressive and haven’t done much if anything for the pen.
Things can change but right now it’s not looking too good.
A's lover
@BITA:
I completely agree. I can’t believe they haven’t grabbed at least two more mid-tier starters. And they picked Alex Cobb over JV?!? I was really hopeful about this off-season, but it has sucked so far!
BITA
Yeah same money and everything why not bring Verlander back? Or Scherzer geez.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Chillax- not yet garbage day
swanhenge
I would have no problem with Boston signing him to play 2B. He can rotate to 3B to give Raffy a break from time to time. And then take it over once Raffy moves to permanent DH.
Seems like an OK plan, but how many years do you go? If Tony Taters gets 5 years, Bregman should/could get at least 4 years, right?.
Veejh
Come on, Nats, this is a perfect fit signing Bregman. Super low payroll and the youth core needs solid vet to mentor them. Also, need better infield defense. If Ted Lerner were still alive, Bregman would have been signed in November.
mainelaker
So odd that no mention of Nats in any of these Bregman articles
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Maine
They must have a lot of confidence in Brady House.
ayeah
Anyone willing to pay a 30 year old what Bregman is asking for is being cheated. Oh wait…
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Well, they are not going to allow Scott Boras Shove their Collective Nose like Boras did with the Pizza Pizza Man…. like he did with Prince Fielder!!!
Besides, the Tigers did well in the Playoffs without Bregman!!
Butter Biscuits
Less than 100 million for this dude he doesn’t have the demand he thinks he has
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Him falling off really hard from MVP candidate in 2019 to just merely pretty good (during his prime years, by the way) has had a lot to do with it.
JackStrawb
Granted the decline is there, but 5.4 to 4.5 to 4.1 WAR is still a high baseline. That’s better than merely pretty good.
Bregman can continue to decline by the usual aging curve of 0.5-0.6 WAR / season and still give you 4-5 years of starter performance. Plus his ability to play 2B, and SS in an emergency suggests he can fit as your backup IFer the year or two he’s headed out the door.
That .315 OBP in 2024 is what’s giving teams fits.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Much like Alonso with the Mets, Bregman is going to find that the Astros were giving him the best deal he’d be able to get….
JackStrawb
That surprises me somewhat. Bregman was a 4.1 fWAR player in 2024. Alonso produced half that.
6/156m was the Astros offer in an era where solid 2-3 win players, even old guys like Christian Walker, are getting 3/60m. Bregman’s 2 years younger and is in the much more rarified 4-5 win neighborhood.
3/60m at Bregman’s 34-36 years, and 3/96 for his age 31-33 years.
A team should be able to haggle him down to 7/156 or 8/156m. He’ll get the same money unless he has illusions that he’ll still be a productive player at 37. Maybe they can arrange a 1/15m team option followed by a 1/10m team option?
Motown is My Town
Still believe the Tigers will sign him to a 3-yr contract in the $90-$100 million range, with opt outs after years 1& 2. I realize this is an overpay at an AAV of $30 – $33.3M/yr but it’s necessary to convince Bregman to go short term. This also allows Bregman FA options the next 2 years when he has his “monster” season(s). Also provides the Tigers the flexibility of not blocking their highly rated prospects like McGonigle, Lee, Jung or Rainer as 3rd base options for the next 5+ years. If a s/t deal can’t be reached, they’ll be fine in the long run and not have to worry about another (potential) Javy Baez albatross contract strangling them, who btw still has 3 yrs and $73M left on his contract.
JackStrawb
@Motown is My Town Bregman’s exactly the kind of player you give opt outs to.
A well above average player whose performance is uncertain and whose contract demands aren’t working out for him.
Even if he has a bad year by his standards and gives you 2.5 fWAR he’s close to worth 30m in 2025 and might well find a guarantee of more than 60m for 2026 onwards. He might also stick around for 2026 and give you another 4 WAR season before departing.
demmer19
Let’s go all in jays!!
bestone
C’mon Ross….low hanging fruit fer ya.
drstevebrule1000
Is it possible that Bregman could re-sign with the Astros? Sure they signed Walker and traded for Paredes but if Bregman re-signed, the Astros could put him at 3B, Walker still at 1B, and Paredes as the DH but he could still swap in for Bregman and Walker when those players need rest/DH days. Astros have Alvarez who can play LF with Tucker gone though not sure how great Alvarez’s defense is.
tigerdoc616
Big fat game of chicken. Problem for Bora$$ and his clients is that teams are becoming less and less willing to pay for those declining years that normally start at 33-34 without getting several years in the 28-32 range. Bregman turns 31 this season. The Bora$$ 4 from last year, were all 30 or older. Alonso just turned 30. So the question is who blinks first? Honestly, don’t think it will be the Tigers. He would help for sure and the near term they don’t have a 3B prospect. Just 2B prospects that they are trying to see if they can play 3B. But they seem more than willing to go with Jung and Vierling if Bregman is not going to budge. They also don’t seem to be interested in Arenado and who knows if Arenado would waive his NTC to come to Detroit. Honestly would not surprise me if this drags on into the season.
Hot Corner IJ
I agree 100% with your comment Tigerdoc.
JackStrawb
@tigerdoc616 Except that player decline typically begins at 28. Alonso isn’t close to “33-34” but the Mets aren’t even making an offer that includes those years, and the rumored 3/68m already bakes in the expected decline for age 30-32.
Put another way, if decline typically occurred only at 33-34, MLB would be full of players in their mid-30s, when in fact most teams have 0 or 1 productive regulars in their mid 30s, and it’s rare to have 2 such players.
WaitTil2026
There were 13 hitters age 33-34 with 400+ PA last year, including 8 with a +2 or better WAR.
There were only 8 hitters with 400+ PA older than that, including just 1 with a +2 WAR.
As you say, most hitters are done by 32.
goob
Somebody’s gonna get twitchy – Barney Fife style – and end up pulling early and dropping his piece.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@Darragh You might consider changing the headline of this post to indicate there is Mariners news involved in it. I would have totally missed the stuff about the M’s if I hadn’t read the entire post or may have skipped it altogether thinking it was only about Bregman.
MPrck
Its a Soras guy so that explains that. Astros offered big money because they could afford to as they had those prior years of his at a lower cost. Detroit don;t want to walk into another Baez.
Detroit don;t need another expensive mistake. Turning down the Astros was his choice. Detroit can make a deal favorable to them. Soros never lets one players deal effect another like for say Detroit’s Skubal.
t0bIe1CaN0bI
At this point, I’m sour on Bregman. Let’s go after Alonzo. Or, just let the kids continue the ride and see where we go. I’m interested in what Jung could do with a full season.
TroyVan
I’m glad the Tigers seem to be prudent in their pursuit of Bregman. He’s going to be replacement level by 2028 and there’s no reason not to believe this past season and his offseason surgery aren’t the beginning of his decline.
I recall that I said the same thing about Tucker Barnhart and that came to fruition. He never regained that form he had in St. Louis.
Don’t get me wrong. I’d love to have Bregman. Just not on a long term deal that’s gonna resemble what it was like at the end for players like V-Mart and Cabrera.
westcasey
I think Detroit should concoct an offer like this: Sign 3 years ,NO OPT OUTS
31M,31M,31M ….. Contracts work both ways.
player Option for 31 in year 4., (go, if you are so underpaid)
*Team option for 26M in year 5, *not a misprint
player option for 26M in year 6 . (that’s $176M) all totaled.
So,$124 M guaranteed.
Borass only really interested in contracts that are heavily slanted and can be skewed into ‘record breaking’ of some nature.
Mr_KLC
Astros should give him another chance to accept the offer, put him at SS, and trade Pena/Pressley.
Rsox
Yes he did. It was ’06, not ’07 that i should have been referring to when he signed a one year deal with the Blue Jays right before spring training
gotigers68
The Tigers can wait him out. Don’t overspend for what maybe a win or two more a year, over what they already have….
The_Conductor
Classic Scott Boras.
He tries to get a team to bid against themselves.
Atloriolesfan
The Mariners simply need to meet the Orioles asking price for Ramon Urias. And it’s non trivial. Simply their CB pick. That pick has zero value to DiPoto because he’ll be gone long before a 2025 pick has any value to the Mariners.