After a brutal 2023 season, right-hander Alek Manoah returned to the Blue Jays’ rotation in early May with the hope of reestablishing himself as one of the game’s top young arms. Unfortunately, that goal didn’t even last a month as Manoah was sidelined after just five starts and wound up undergoing Tommy John surgery in early June. The righty’s timetable for return to the mound has been unclear since then, but recently Manoah himself provided an update to Mike Wilner of the Toronto Star as part of an interview for the Star’s “Deep Left Field” baseball podcast. During the interview, Manoah identified August as his target for a return to action.
“…to go be a deadline acquisition for the Toronto Blue Jays and just help as much as I can over the final two months of the season, that’s what I’m striving for,” Manoah said on the podcast. “I’m striving to get bullpens in March, to get to live BPs in June, and then get some rehabs going and hopefully be in a position to help this team down the stretch.”
That timeline would have Manoah returning to the mound in Toronto roughly fourteen months after first going under the knife. That’s hardly an atypical timeline for a pitcher in the right-hander’s situation given that rehabbing Tommy John surgery usually takes between 12 and 18 months, though Manoah acknowledged that “bumps in the road” down the line could complicate or delay the ideal timetable he laid out.
Of course, even a healthy return to the mound in early August would come with questions. The right-hander was last healthy and effective back in 2022, when he posted a sterling 2.24 ERA in 196 2/3 innings of work for the Jays en route to a third-place finish in AL Cy Young award voting and the first All-Star appearance of his career. That fantastic performance seemed to indicate that Manoah was ticketed for long-term success at the front of Toronto’s rotation, but the 2023 season threw that plan off the rails as he struggled to a 5.87 ERA with a 6.01 FIP in 19 starts and spent time in the minor leagues due to his poor performance.
Manoah’s return to the Jays’ rotation last May was something of a mixed bag. His 3.70 ERA across five starts was solid enough, while his 25.2% strikeout rate and 7.8% walk rate were essentially in line with his numbers from 2021 and ’22. With that being said, Manoah was getting crushed when batters did make contact with his pitches. He surrendered five homers in just 24 1/3 innings of work last year and posted a ghastly 10.8% barrel rate. That came in a sample size of just 65 batted balls, of course, and given the fact that Manoah underwent UCL surgery shortly thereafter it’s fair to question how indicative that performance will be of his abilities when he returns to the mound. It’s certainly far from impossible to imagine Manoah, still just 27, re-establishing himself as a quality rotation piece once he’s put rehab behind him and resumed pitching.
In the meantime, however, the Jays are constructing their 2025 rotation without expecting him to be a major part of the equation. As things stand, veterans Kevin Gausman, José Berríos, and Chris Bassitt stand as a trio of proven arms while Bowden Francis flashed high-end results late in the 2024 season. Yariel Rodríguez currently figures to round out the group with Jake Bloss available as a depth option at Triple-A. Right-hander Jeff Hoffman signed with the club on a three-year deal that guarantees him $33MM late last week, but despite speculation throughout the winter he could look to pitch out of the rotation with his next club the Jays have indicated they’ll be using him in the bullpen.
It’s a decent rotation mix even without Hoffman involved, but there’s clearly room for improvement. Gausman endured the worst season he’s had since breaking out during the 2020 campaign last year; he pitched to a 3.82 ERA (105 ERA+) with 21.4% strikeout rate that was down nearly ten points from the year prior. Berrios pitched to mid-rotation results last year but also had troubling peripherals, including a 19.5% strikeout rate and a 4.72 FIP. Both of those numbers suggest Berrios may profile more as a back-of-the-rotation arm if he can’t bounce back going forward, and that’s likely where Bassitt fits best as well after he posted a below-average 4.16 ERA in his age-35 season last year.
Given all the questions surrounding a rotation that is poised to enter 2025 hoping for Gausman to rebound and Francis to prove he’s capable of pitching at an above-average level over the course of a full season as a starter, it’s hardly a surprise that the club has been connected to a number of starters in free agency this winter. Both Corbin Burnes and Max Fried already landed elsewhere despite involvement from Toronto in both markets, but Jack Flaherty and Nick Pivetta remain available as potential upgrades the club has reported interest in.
Reynaldo's
Is Alek Manoah the Ben Simmons of the MLB? Walking out and not showing up for his team last year; then quiet quitting whenever he gets on the field. Seems like he’s forcing them to trade him.
YankeesBleacherCreature
I don’t know how Manoah can fake a torn UCL requiring TJS as you may be implying.
RandalGrichuksStubble
He is talking about before. When he was hot garbage for no apparent reason
bucsfan0004
How was this guy tendered a contract? $2.2M? This is why the Jays have a payroll approaching $240M
Dustyslambchops23
Yes that’s why their payroll is 240 mil, because Manoah is getting less than 1%
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
The yips are a thing.
Buckner
He should just quit. Quit now.
He had a good season. One.
Now he becomes the answer to a trivia question.
Brandon1194
No, he’s had one bad season.
johncoltrane
Hes also targeting sept for another DL stint
Damn Yankee$
No doubt he makes his return early. I heard he was training with Joey Chestnut.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
I can only imagine the amount of weight that he must of gained. All these injuries stem from him being out of shape. He needs to lose a good 50 pounds. A professional athlete should be able to control his diet and training
RandalGrichuksStubble
Have you seen his catcher? Kirk is round.
johncoltrane
Kirk manoah vladdy
The hell are they feeding em up in toronto??
Wire to wire 2024
Poutine
Dustyslambchops23
This is such hot garbage, pitching is an unnatural motion that puts tremendous stress on joints and ligaments over time.
Him being a bigger guy has nothing to do with injury, most pitchers, regardless of the shape they are in deal with injury at some point.
johncoltrane
@dusty
Manoah had 6era in 2023
Is that bc of joints & ligaments too???
C-Daddy
He reportedly lost 30 lbs last offseason and got injured AFTER that. So yeah, not weight related.
Dustyslambchops23
He had an era of 2 in 2022 at the same size John. You’re not making a relevant point
Pads Fans
He lost 30 of the 80 he had to lose and got injured.
MuleorAstroMule
Calling the top performing athletes in the world, “fat and lazy,” is just something some people need to do. Interestingly, while being layman, those same people also possess more knowledge about a player’s health and biomechanics than the best training staffs money can buy. But the biggest mystery is why they don’t monetize that knowledge.
Dustyslambchops23
These boards have always been so many commenters commenting about weight it’s so odd.
It always reminds me of the meme of the fat slob eating Doritos yelling at the tv.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpertAGAIN)
@MuleorAstroMule I’m sure someone like Zion Williamson is training hard everyday!
foppert3
A bigger guy ? Way too fluffy. The man is obese. Plain and simple. There is not a doctor or trainer in the world that isn’t recommending him to lose the fat he forces his body to carry around.
Dustyslambchops23
He’s 6’5 280, there are dozens of athletes, mostly football players that are carrying that around.
Not to mention CC Sabathia was one of the best pitchers of his generation, a workhorse, who was bigger than Manoah.
You guys spend way too much time worried about another man’s weight, grow up.
foppert3
I don’t worry about it. I just know he is not a “bigger guy”. Aaron Judge is a bigger guy. Alex Manoah is obese. Obesity is unhealthy. Full stop. The normalisation of obesity is a huge problem for society.
Dustyslambchops23
Bro you’re a dude on a computer, he’s a professional athlete.
You crying about his weight (he’s not obese just overweight btw) is not stopping the ‘normalization of obesity’ what an absolutely stoopid take.
These boards are going so down hill, just stick to baseball ffs
foppert3
Ha ha. Yeah mate. The tears are just flowing.
I know that. Respect to him. It’s not offensive. It’s a medical term.
I appreciate it’s not stopping it. But you know, you do what you can to shine a lot on societies problems. Yesterdays obesity being viewed as todays normal is a big one of those. Ask any doctor and/or health system.
Now before I downgrade the board any further, I’ll let you get back to that 6 pack of donuts .
Pads Fans
He is 6’6″ and was 285 when he was drafted. He was closer to 325 or 335 when he got hurt and as someone said he had lost 30 pounds to start the season.
He was listed at 6’6″ and 260 as a freshman at West Virginia. Look at the picture then and look at the ones from the 2024 season.
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Mr. Pessimist
Who cares.
Mr. Pessimist
Fold the ballclub.
Ashleyr
Fold the ballclub, did YOU scream that when the Red Sox finished last in the AL east three years in a row, call for Miami, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit, Colorado, Arizona, the Yankees to fold when they finished 82 – 80 two years earlier. Did you call for every team to fold except the Dodgers. If not, you are biased, a hypocrite, and your credibility is ZERO to comment on anyone’s board.
giantboy99
Does it really matter?
Steinbrenner2728
I side with Anthony Recker
Elon’sDOGEbag
Trade him for a modest prospect. Could pay off. Waiting around won’t produce anything, and we know this Blue Jays front office doesn’t do much for their homegrown talent anyhow. They spend far too much on mostly bizarre free agent signings (or mostly just pursuing them these days) while ignoring Vlad and Bo these past few years.
Unbelievable that they actually came to an agreement with Vlad for this season. That’s a first. They have been a terribly run organization.
Wire to wire 2024
All the jays fans wanted to hold onto him last winter when you probably could’ve gotten a decent return
Elon’sDOGEbag
Wire- you’re right. And some (or many) Jays fans are also living in denial thinking they are going to sign Vlad this year. I mean it’s not IMPOSSIBLE…but…
Clearly Jays fans don’t have their heads on straight these days
Dustyslambchops23
Selling low is not a good strategy ever, you wouldn’t have got anything for him last winter that would have made a difference
Elon’sDOGEbag
Dusty-You don’t know that. Better to sell while you can than him becoming a complete nobody and getting nothing in return- which is what’s bound to happen if he stays put. At least now he is still only 27 yo. And yes, getting modest prospects can be worthwhile.
smallg
Vlad is 25. He would command as much now as he would have last offseason. After the jays poor results this past season, There is a better argument to trade him now than there was to sell low last offseason when the jays were coming off of 89 wins and making the playoffs.
Dustyslambchops23
Please explain, how after a 6 era year where he had to be optioned he was going to get ‘modest prospects’ but after a year he performed decently plus an injury now his value is gone?
His value is probably identical to what it was last winter, you’re the one with the unreasonable hypotheticals.
Elon’sDOGEbag
(I know they actually signed Bo to a contract, but the amounts they were initially trying to offer him were pitiful and the negotiations used to be horrible.
Yes I know l know he sucks now-big deal. That Springer contract tho…)
shane
You have to be 12 years old…
What negotiations? They bought Bo out of his arbitration years. All parties agreed. What pitiful amount did they offer? It’s been known for years that he’s choosing to test free agency.
Elon’sDOGEbag
Shane-
Before they worked it out the Jays tried to give Bichette a pitiful 5 million while he was asking for 7.5. It’s a miracle they came to an agreement with Vlad for this season- they are always trying to short change him, and are obsessed with signing free agents for far too much money rather than extend their star- should’ve come to an extension agreement years ago. And this offseason they are looking at every free agent while ignoring Vlad to the point he imposes a deadline that leaks to the public.
The Blue Jays are a horribly run team and if you choose to forget all these details regarding the horrible way they’ve regarded their homegrown then don’t bother commenting. I’m embarrassed for you..
Dustyslambchops23
Every team attempts to short changes players in the arb process, the jays are a poorly run organization and their dealings with arb process has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Youre the one who should be embarrassed by his overall lack of knowledge of baseball
Elon’sDOGEbag
You are a complete idiot. What team tries to short change a player with 2/3 of their worth? Doesn’t happen except with the Jays.
Goodbye fool.
Dustyslambchops23
Literally every team you dunce.
The Red Sox right now are going to arb with Duran over 500k.
If you knew anything about baseball, you would know how normal this is. But you don’t so here you are, trying.
gomer33
This collective Jays hate is getting quite sad to be honest.
Dustyslambchops23
Agreed but I support all Atkins hate.
Ashleyr
I remember the fans screaming for the Jays to discharge Chris Carpenter, Al Leiter, Roy Halladay, David Wells, David Cone, plus many others and what happened to all those pitchers, many are going to the hall of fame which shows the ignorance of the fans. Manoah could be the next pitcher the fans demand to be cast aside that goes on to become a future ace of a DIFFERENT team.
hiflew
He could also be the next Ricky Romero. Predicting the future Is not easy.
Elon’sDOGEbag
Ashley-None of those pitchers had the struggles of Manoah with the exception of Carpenter- and they got rid of him! He was really good but no hall of famer. He became great in St. Louis- maybe he would’ve fizzled out if he stayed. Not clear.
Also, a lot of players you are naming left Toronto while they were still good- and I don’t think they all left because management thought they were burnt out. Manoah would be good to trade before you get NOTHING for him and he dissolves into obscurity-he’s 27 so the time to do that is now.
It’s best not to bet on the homegrown talent sticking around and thriving in a place where (currently) the front office is more concerned with signing (or trying to sign) big free agents and ignoring that homegrown talent- Vlad should’ve signed an extension years ago- maybe he would’ve put up better stats if he wasn’t constantly fighting with management to pay him. Maybe he would have been a three time mvp by now if he played for another team.
I don’t know, but I wouldn’t count on Manoah blossoming into anything great – not with the current philosophy in Toronto, anyhow! Maybe HE should go to St. Louis and it will work out like it did for CC.
Dustyslambchops23
Man you talk a lot for someone who has zero to say and doesn’t make any sense
Elon’sDOGEbag
And you are a moron who sucks at reading comprehension- bye
Dustyslambchops23
The guy saying to trade a 26 year old pitcher after a 6 ERA seasons for ‘prospects’ is calling other people a moron lol
My guess is you just started watching baseball the last 2 years, it’s a very junior opinion.
shane
No you don’t because you just made that up. The fan base never “screamed” to get rid of half those players. Go back to twitter.
Dustyslambchops23
There is absolutely zero reason to trade Manoah now.
Dustyslambchops23
I shockingly still believe in this guy, and have a feeling he will eventually have a productive career as a middle of the rotation pitcher.
Nice that he’ll come back for the second half, perfect timing for when the jays have a fire sale
NoSaint
@Dustyslambchops23
He’ll probably replace Bassett.
Smith 3
Returning over or under 300 lbs?
friesTO
No point in pressing him for 2025 and instead build up for 2026. He’s fragile like Mr Glass and has to lose lots of weight. His arm and body are failing him so he might end up traded or let go like Romano once he’s healed. Not cool to ruin his long term health for our entertainment
Angel 4ever
No Toronto pitching prospect has ever worked out under Pete Walker. Many highly rated and all have flamed out. Free Agents have done ok but they were already good. Ray, Gausman, Basset, Berrios all strong before Toronto. He’s way overrated and I question his value.
Dustyslambchops23
That has more to do with the quality of the prospects vs the pitching coach.
You are also very conveniently leaving out guys like Ray, Kikuchi, Matz who he helped.
jays haven’t had any good pitching prospects for you to lay blame on a coach
Pads Fans
He might be better off targeting getting his weight down to 220-240.
chemfinancing
Yikes Manoah should be targeting a August return to the buffet never to return with his new job as the Golden Corral general manager
Dustyslambchops23
And yet he’s more successful and he’ll have more money than you can ever dream of. Yikes
chemfinancing
Yikes
chemfinancing
Yikes u eat chopped lava. Yikes ur a Yankees fan. Yikes u like Juan soto. Yikes ur wife looks like Juan soto (You would like that) (Yikes ur infront the TV again) Yikes u like little boys
NewSliderBeshens
Many pitchers at all levels have experienced setbacks in their comeback attempts. by throwing too soon after surgery. People who have never thrown a pitch before cannot understand how the arm should feel.
Only pitchers themselves can determine how their arm feels and decide if they should throw.
Alek should travel to Phoenix and practice throwing with Roger Beshens to improve his Football Slider technique.
Roger Beshens recently recorded all the Dbacks sliders. Roger used his understandings of metrics and shaping techniques to easily talk to the Dback pitchers.
NewSliderBeshens
The Blue Jays should hire Roger Beshens the Football Slider guy in some capacity. He just completed recording all the Dbacks Sliders.
Roger Beshens used his understanding of metrics and shaping techniques of his Football Slider to easily talk to the Dback pitchers.
There’s a free video of Roger Beshens in the Dbacks Clubhouse available online. No Runs, Drips, or errors. Because Roger Beshens never requests anything.